3 RUDE FERAL GIRLS KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! Andrew Wilson! DEMON Feminist?! | Dating Talk #153

Date: 2024-04-17

Duration: 6h 03m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLindsay Graham >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_02Kendall(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lindsay Graham(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jaden(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_13Madeline(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAlien reveals she is "dating a tree"; describes kissing tree bark and taking a man to visit it.

“"hi I'm alien I'm 25 and I'm also from Arizona" / "technically I'm single but I'm also dating a tree"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson makes joke referencing a previous "born again virgin" episode; Jaden accuses him of being offensive to sexual assault victims; escalates into first major conflict of the night.

“"he came to give us no he came to also give us Church"”

OtherAlien describes sugar daddy arrangement where she was paid extra to stay celibate for him; second sugar daddy pulled guns on her when she accidentally revealed the arrangement.

“"I had a sugar daddy and he was paying me more money for being celibate"”

OtherLindsay Graham reveals former life as meth addict and stripper; describes being coerced into abortion by abusive narcissistic boyfriend.

“"I was a dancer and a drug addict while attending church"”

QuoteAlien rates herself 12/10 on looks; claims she will continue getting hotter into old age.

“"I think I am the most prettiest girl in the world... I'm a magic person"”

ControversyKendall tells Tara to "bite her tongue" and submit to a man; group tension peaks before the kickout.

“"I would love to see you in a relationship where you bite your tongue like half the time"”

OtherBrian kicks out Tara and companions after prolonged combative behavior; "get the fuck out... your permission to be here has been revoked."

“"get the out get out get out just get out"”

OtherAndrew Wilson describes the "Great Ho Reformation" phenomenon: women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" finding Jesus and infiltrating churches to meet men.

“"women out there who are getting into their 30s and they've realized that they have written what we like to refer to as the Carousel"”

OtherKendall reveals she had thyroid cancer (stage 3) discovered the night before surgery; was also pregnant; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free but wears hearing aids.

“"I gave birth to her at full term breastfed her for 2 months and then did radiation"”

OtherBrian recounts being scammed $2,000 by David Spearman (spearmint social) for Instagram username @BrianAtlas; plays video evidence of scammer.

“"it's been over 7 weeks almost two months since I paid him $2,000"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Alien reveals she is "dating a tree." Jaden and Madeline reveal 3-year biromantic asexual relationship. Relationship statuses discussed around table.

Same-sex relationship and Christianity

Extended debate between Andrew Wilson and Jaden/Madeline about reconciling their same-sex relationship with Christian faith. Topics: Paul's epistles, submission in marriage, nuclear family, sex and procreation, whether relationship is "just roommates."

Christian communities vs secular: happiness stats

Andrew and Tara debate statistical methods for measuring happiness in religious vs secular communities. Therapy, anti-depressants, divorce rates, polling methodology discussed.

Nuclear family and patriarchy in marriage

Panel debates whether husbands should be final decision-makers. Lindsay and Kendall argue for male leadership in healthy marriages. Tara and Jaden argue for equal partnership. Andrew runs hypotheticals (lasagna, school choice, business investment). TikTok clip of progressive woman lamenting inability to find masculine liberal men played.

Alien personal stories (sugar daddy, guns, tree)

Alien describes: two simultaneous sugar daddy arrangements, one pulling guns on her. Male racist who kissed her but refused to go further. Spending $10k and driving 15 hours to visit a cheating man. Wrecking a marriage; threesome story. Manipulating a man with love letters.

Dating dynamics: who leads, who initiates

Extended back-and-forth with Tara on dating expectations: who approaches, who asks out, who pays on first date, who initiates physical escalation. Brian demonstrates that nearly every step defaults to male initiative.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

All guests rate their own looks 1-10. Alien: 12 (self); Jaden: 8; Tara: 7-7.5; Lindsay: 8; Kendall: 8. Debate over objectivity vs subjectivity of beauty standards.

Gender pay gap and women's sports

Quick panel poll: all deny wage gap is significant today. Jaden notes she updated her view after research. Women's sports taking less seriously: briefly discussed.

Beauty standards: male vs female

Debate on whether female beauty standard is more achievable than male. Brian argues female standard (flat stomach, healthy BMI) is attainable by 90% of women; male bodybuilder standard requires genetics/steroids/years of training. Photos shown for illustration.

Tara rage quit and kickout

After hours of contentious debate, Tara and two companions (Madeline's group) stand up indicating they want to leave. Brian tells them to get out (~5:00:36). Three feral girls leave. Remaining guests continue.

Lindsay Graham personal story: stripper, meth, abortion, cancer

Lindsay reveals: former meth addict and stripper in her 20s. Became pregnant by abusive boyfriend who coerced her into abortion at 8 weeks. Thyroid cancer diagnosis (stage 3) discovered night before surgery; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free; wears hearing aids due to progressive deafness.

"Great Ho Reformation" at church

Andrew describes phenomenon of women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" now reforming and attending church to find men. Lindsay reveals her own similar background as context.

Brian's $22k scam story (David Spearman / spearmint social)

Brian recounts being scammed out of $2,000 (originally mentioned $22k at intro) by David Spearman and girlfriend Siara Stevens of "spearmint social" who promised to acquire the @BrianAtlas Instagram username. Paid $2k in crypto Feb 22; 7 weeks later no delivery, no refund. Video clips of David Spearman played as evidence.

Transcript

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Lindsay Grahamright but if the Bible says that a man and a a husband and a wife should raise children then then what is your response to that natural to say well we're seeking God in this but God does say

Jadenlike don't do this and don't do this isn't that kind of your clear answer well you waiting for Holy Spirit kind of well he doesn't really say to not like I'm pretty sure there's vers in the

JadenBible about how uh familyes raised with Community as well and we could be Community I

Jadenso like do you shame like single mothers no absolutely not no okay so we're both two single we would be two single women choosing to raise kids because we have

Lindsay Grahamthe resources too right and you did ask if I condemned that and I did say I didn't say yes I was just saying trying to bring it back to biblically because again speaking biblically there is no

Lindsay Grahamright and wrong and black and white in some of these situations where when you say single mother the first thing I think of is like a widow we can't shame a woman for raising children when her husband died um her father uh had an

Jadenaffair with her mother and then left her mother with five kids and it ended up being a really horrible situation and her brothers ended up getting into some really awful stuff because they didn't have because there was

Jadenjust yeah they didn't have that stability of the two parents in the household correct yes and I and I I know someone that has two mothers of

Jadencourse their mothers are sexually involved but um they don't have much problems they're they're happy they go they do go to church um but I think it's a hard a hard line here I don't think it

Kendallas black and white and I think that's where Lindsay's getting at um just because we do have a real pandemic right now with abortion and I would much

Kendallrather see these children adopted into homes um than not so I think it is a it's it is a hard stance I mean it's I

Lindsay Grahamdon't know it's commend it's commendable that you ladies want to do so much good work together thank you I do I do think so by the way Andrew's out getting a

Brian Atlassmoke break he's on his way back right now he'll be here rejoining Us in just a sec now I need to get into some of my other pre-show notes Here Yeah guys go

Brian Atlasto twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drops Prime sub if you have one if you have Amazon Prime you can link it to your Twitch it's quick for easy way to support the show every single guys drops a follow drops a prime sub over there on

Brian Atlasthat okay everybody's just leaving the table no it's total chaos in the whatever podcast Studio it's whatever it's what it's whatever it's whatever

Brian Atlasall right let's get into who do we go to now why don't we go to our good friend Jaden okay uh Jaden says I have

Brian Atlaslots of examples of girls not being too friendly and doing whatever at anyone's expense just to get a guy yeah I do got a lot of examples okay um

Brian Atlasdid you want to maybe share one like the worst the worst of the worst wait wait wait wait of doing anything to get with a guy sure is that

Jadenwhat I said yes doing whatever at anyone's expense just to get a guy oh yeah like I've had I feel like it could be some of the same women that may identify as feminist

Jadenbut I've had uh friends that have put me in very uncomfortable positions because they want to pursue a man sexually and

Jadenleave their friends behind at parties or just that kind of thing is what I mean I I just think friendships need to be better um women when they are pursuing

Jadenmen shouldn't be thinking so sexually I feel like it put pulls them into really weird situations women need to respect their bodies more I've had a lot of friends that just absolutely do not

Jadenrespect themselves makes me sad because it does hurt your soul no matter if you believe spiritually or not spirituality is a real thing um God and Jesus our

Brian Atlasspiritual you all in your notes you also mentioned you absolutely think that there is misogyny in our world I don't disagree with you I do think that there

Brian Atlasare people that hate women just like I think there are people that hate men um but I do want some clarification here when you say misogyny how do you define misogyny

JadenI Define it as I feel like misogyny might be more of a systemic thing where

Jadenwomen thinking that women need to do anything a man need wants I feel like is misogynistic I feel as though not having

Jadenwomen be respected in leadership positions is also misogynistic I know that not everyone believes that way but that's misogyny to me that we can't that it's so hard for us to get that extra

Jadenrepresentation but you believe in the Christian worldview yeah the Christian worldview is patriarchal yes but the men is supposed to look to their wives or women for wisdom because God gave them wisdom love

Jadenis patient love is kind love does not boast love does not love is not selfish love considers everybody and you want if

Andrew Wilsonyou love your wife you will consider the things that she needs and wants sure and not just what you want yeah but it's not a matter of the Assumption that's kind of baked in to the Christian worldview

Andrew Wilsonis the reason it's patriarchal and the reason that the man's supposed to have the final decision is because you trust him to know that what's good for you even when you don't know what's good for

Andrew Wilsonyou but I don't trust all the men that we've had in power yeah I I get it but when you're talk talking about this conundrum which comes up if that's your worldview if the worldview is the Christian worldview it's the same

Jadenconundrum that I asked for earlier my worldview is Jesus's World VI like we the world believes in going to war Jesus doesn't believe in going to war the yeah but that has really has nothing to do

Jadenbut I'm saying my my world view like there's a lot of contradictions in what Christians say their world view is than what Jesus said the world view should be that was my point there not no well I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand it but the head of the church is Jesus right yeah okay and all the apostles who went off to found new churches were all men

Andrew Wilsoncorrect uh yeah but Jesus doesn't really like religion so churches there's he came to gave us his church he said it he said he we are the church yeah he came

Andrew Wilsonto give us no he came to also give us Church give religion didn't say come when I'm talking about worldview when I'm talking about worldview when I say the word

Andrew Wilsonreligion you can dispute the word you can say okay I don't follow a religion but you still follow a world view your view the way that you you look at the world the prism in which you're guided is informed by your Christian worldview

Andrew Wilsonthis is how you know what's right what's wrong what's you know correct Behavior incorrect Behavior how you're supposed to live your life how you're not supposed to live your life right are you drinking that beer do you have a

JadenChristian worldview yeah okay and that contradicts it no it doesn't drinking a beer contradicts Christianity yeah alcohol Spirits stay

Andrew Wilsonaway from Spirits did have you ever heard of something called The Last Supper yeah what did they drink wine T you contradicting their own world

Andrew Wilsonviews from Jesus they Jesus drank himself wine that he made they all listen there's no restriction in Christianity for drinking

Kendallwine where in the not to be drunk but to have a beer is fine drunk not drunk the reason the reason that drunkenness is wrong drinking is

Jadennot wrong and who cares if you're on your eighth if you're not drunk the reason that drunkenness you're you're going to be a pared the reason got high tolerance the reason yeah but that's not what if you got pulled over that's not

Andrew Wilsonwhat would be happening it's not about blood alcohol level Christianity is not about legalism they're looking for impairment because if there was some type of impairment and not just impairment but

Andrew Wilsonaddiction if it was an addiction and an impairment that would take you further away from Christ that's part of the worldview drinking a beer has nothing to do with it I mean that's I don't I don't even know where that com think a man

Jadenshould only lead if he is a Christian man and wants to lead his family closer to God otherwise I don't know what you're leading or what you're leading for or what you're determining because if you're not going off of what God says

Jadenthen why yeah sure so you're leading your family I do believe I believe God gave men knowledge and ability to be able to rationalize and not have emotion but

Jadenalso so that they can communicate with their wife so that they can also understand more about themselves and the decisions that they do need to make so I do believe a man should make like the final decision sure so he's in charge

Jadenbut he he is a provider and he's supposed to protect and take care of his family and that I means emotionally mentally and physically and if you're doing something that hurts your wife you shouldn't want

Jadento do that because you love them so but hurt her how not letting her Express herself not letting her um use the skills that God gave her lots of different things sure but

Andrew Wilsonwhen we're talking about we're talking about hurt or you're doing something that you know you you have some preference against it doesn't mean that you're doing anything wrong if you're the final Arbiter so you could have

Andrew Wilsonagain this situation especially with in the Christian worldview of you're being willful you're being willful and you're being disrespectful yourself without realizing it isn't it your husband's

Jadenduty to say no you're supposed to obey within the confines of the of the Christian ethos supposed to obey God Jesus always comes first so if your man told you that we needed to do something

Andrew Wilsonthat was against God mhm you're not going to do that would be a violation of your ethics that's a there's the distinction here is part of your ethics

Andrew Wilsonis to follow your man's lead that's what part of your ethical framework is and you dismiss it if they go against God yeah but going against God isn't isn't

Andrew Wilsonyou being just willful you being willful and him saying listen you have to stop being so willful you have to stop being so argumentative you have to stop going against me and my decision-making because you're just being willful that's

Jadennot going against God do you think if you have an if a woman has an opinion and you just don't want to hear her out and you won't hear her out she's going to it's going to lead to a little bit of arguing because you're not listening to your woman she might have a good idea

Andrew Wilsonshe might have something that can really bring value to you sure she might but it's not really for her to decide that it's for him to decide that within the

Jadenethos got it within the ethic right that's that sounds more like I don't believe God talks about dominance he talks about leadership not

Andrew Wilsondominance but it says submit to each other marriage and the Christian ethic is a reflection of the relationship you have with Jesus Christ Jesus Christ is the

Andrew Wilsonhead of the church the but not everyone gets married to man that deserve I'm let me finish the man acts as the head of the church right that's the S symbolic relationship the woman acts as the body

Andrew Wilsonof the church that is the symbolic relationship the man is the head so when you're talking about submission which is part of your vows for all Christians as far as I'm even Protestants make the vow

Jadenof submission but but what about to men that aren't your husband like at work but I was talk but we were talking about misogyny and I was saying it's systemic like at work when your boss shuts you down you have a great idea I work at a

Jadenplace that they love they take my ideas they bring me in they ask me questions they want to know what I think because they see the value that women have like our attention to detail organization

Jadenthings like that so you could grow your businesses you could grow Humanity as a whole by considering what women have to say instead of just saying no I'm right I'm right I'm right I'm right yeah but women it is considered what women have

Jadento say what does that what does it have to do with misogyny if if men men shut men because men don't listen men don't listen to men most of the time they automatic like you show that you don't even listen to women you literally call us that like are you think our

Jadenlike brains are like off or something like they work we think we move we do research we have talents we have capabilities how do you expect me and not every woman is going to get married my God this girl just leave it

Andrew Wilsonopen a little bit we need some air in here yeah it's a lot leave it open what just happen anyway so yeah back to this it nobody nobody's dismissing uh I I don't I don't

Jadenunderstand is this like internalized misogyny no like I've seen women talk about it all the time and do you think they're just talking out of their sometimes but I don't know specifically what you're

Brian Atlasreferencing I really don't see a point you said do you think there's missandry do you think there's missandry

Brian Atlasexplain what that it's the counter of misogyny misogyny if misogyny is the hatred of women then mandry is the hatred of hatred though well yes but

Brian Atlasjust keeping things simple okay it's a bias or what you know whatever the full definition um I think that there is a

Jadengrowing population of people that hate men yeah but I think that yourself included no actually are you sure yeah actually okay yeah okay I think

Jadenrespectable men are respectable men I have a lot of male friends I men aren't terrible like some men are terrible some women are terrible I don't think we disagree on everything I think you think

TTS/Donation Voiceone Motorsports donated $200 B What a Sad panel on my birthday Andrew saves it if for sure God says to submit to the man as head of the

TTS/Donation Voicehousehold to love honor and obey that last word means something it also says for a man to praise and honor his wife yeah but so thank you thank you good one

Andrew Wilsonhow does it take away from praising and honoring your wife for your wife to obey you oh seriously some men don't deserve to be

Jadenobeyed like some men ask for very not right things like I understand what you're saying you're talking about Good Men there's a lot of not good men I'm speaking speaking about not good men

Jadenthat literally take advantage abuse and use women and their brains or just totally discount I don't get how that doesn't make sense I'm not talking about everyone I don't generalize you do I think every situation is different but

Andrew Wilsonyou are generalizing right now no yeah if you say I'm not talking about all the good men I'm talking about all the bad men that's a generalization no I told you what I'm talking about yeah and

Jadenthat's a generalization so saying me saying misogyny exists mhm is not a general generalization that's saying no that's not a generalization and because of some bad men I don't think good men are misogynistic I think good men

Jadencherish and love the women that they're around them my sister has an amazing boyfriend and he literally in his mind he's behind every great man is an even

Andrew Wilsongreater woman because we are wise and God gave us wisdom no behind every great man is not a greater woman now that is a

Jadengeneralization she literally raises hang on that's a generalization right is that a generalization I didn't say that's what I said I just said that's what he said I'm saying that there are men out there that value women for who they are and what they can BR I have a

Brian Atlasquestion I have a question for you on this so I've been building my business for over a decade for 10 years and if I started to date a woman 10 years into having already established my business

Brian Atlaswas she the great woman that was behind me when I was in the trenches like grinding no you weren't together I feel like I feel like your statement takes agency away from the greatness that men achieve well it's really weird

Andrew Wilsonwomen can achieve greatness too when they're not home it's actually worse Brian because you could just never get with a woman again and you could still end up being a great man a woman could also do the same you wouldn't even need to have that's not what I'm arguing a

Brian Atlaswoman can do the same women women absolutely have the capacity for greatness and achievement but it is kind of taking we don't ever hear the reverse behind every boss is a Epic Man

Brian Atlasepic great man like you never hear the reverse because men have all the validation they need obviously I worked all the work I've done that's on get enough validation no I do actually like my family is very validating about

Andrew Wilsontalking about a lot of women's opinions so are we generalizing now I said a lot of not all well that a lot of is a generalization okay isn't it sure yeah

Andrew Wilsonso now we're generalizing you also generalize I do but I'm not the one saying I don't I didn't say I don't okay so now if we're back to a generalization

Jadenand you're saying a lot of a lot of what is that mean what does that mean yeah what does it mean I don't feel the need to talk to

Jadendisrespectful men like you well I mean if I'm in a room with a bul Dye I can at least I just know better men that's all what did you say like I really do know a lot like greater

Andrew Wilsonmen than you like I don't know like the way you speak the way talk I don't know I don't understand you don't understand what why do you why why is it impossible for you to have a conversation without

Jadenbeing ridiculously combative you are also combative you literally don't even ever you you already have a thought before out of my way no no no no you haven't oh yeah I

Andrew Wilsonhave sure you're crazy dude well how do you think you've gone out of your way well I've Tred to keep it as cool as possible but if you're having a call

Jadenyou raised your voice you call you said bch to her as well you're also yeah you're you're so the the chick over there to me I talk back to her that was that was not

Andrew Wilsonokay she didn't cuss at all you literally called she said cuz of men like you and I said cuz of like you yeah so do you know what a Tit for Tat is or when somebody hits you I know my father just wouldn't approve the way you're speaking to me when somebody hits

Andrew Wilsonyou you hit him back harder 100% your father wouldn't and he's a great man you would hit a woman huh verbally if they if they're hitting you in a debate you hit them back harder

Andrew Wilsonokay where we come up where did we come up with this idea I don't know I just like suddenly everybody's abusive I just AB not everyone's abusive I don't know you you accused him earlier or you're on

Jadenthe verge of it and now you said you're going to hit a woman yeah I'm asking yeah uh by the logic you said if someone hits you you hit them harder verbally you should have said that

Andrew Wilsonthat's it was implied would you hit a man no I wouldn't never no I wouldn't not even to defend yourself I mean I would run hopefully

Jadennot even to defend yourself no no no just never I wouldn't even hit a girl back if she hit me and tried to fight me I'm not a fighter and maybe in a circumstance it would be different but in my head I

Andrew Wilsonwould never want to do that to somebody honestly so you're a pacifist sure I don't know not was my words obviously it's just verbal argumentation guess mhm that's it yeah

Brian Atlasokay we're going to do a reset we have some chats here to read we have black flame Nova here's for all you've done with the show and for bringing andreon

Brian Atlasto shed some knowledge on these three foes the dude couldn't have been recist cuz he kissed you that wouldn't be the

Brian Atlascase otherwise okay going back to that yeah okay uh black flame Nova appreciate it appreciate it man all right we have gr

Brian AtlasGracie ladies it doesn't apply to you stop just stop if your father was like Andrew and actually questioned Your Life Choices would you be happier as you age and your tats turn into Salvador Dolly

Brian Atlaspaintings I don't wait I don't really get the question your father was like Andrew and actually question would you be happier as you age and your tats turn into Happ as you age your TS

JadenI don't is this it's like a he's basically saying your skin will get saggy your things are going to change he was insulting but trying to ask I'm G pretend to be very insulted very insulted by that feel like that was horrific comment I feel like that wasn't

Brian Atlaspointed at you though for some reason I think I'm de with tattoos though I still for some reason feel like it was pointed umu for some reason we have Tory Hearn it's gri one birthday the whole panel

Brian Atlasneeds to say happy BJ to is it g one's birthday yeah cuz he was whining about us being the panel oh it is his birthday it isy birthday G yo grid one happy

Brian Atlasbirthday I hope you had a great cake I hope you had go spend your money elsewhere Feliz Navi Dad happy birthday

Lindsay Grahamman what happy birthday oh the Spanish right isn't Fel do CHR oh hold on felos Happy

Brian AtlasBirthday man hey you know it's uh my California Spanish okay uh all right right even if a man has shown great leadership he cannot lead a follower his

Brian Atlaswife if she's combative disrespectful argumentative but worse of all conditionally submissive most women are like this yeah feminism has turned most women this way yeah basically what he's saying is

Kendallhe wants a pet no I disagree with that I agree with that statement that's set up there I do feel like women are less likely to let you have to realize you have a let finish let her finish let her finish

Kendallright I feel like women nowadays are less likely to allow their man to lead them and it's not the men are not being like anger and taking over you they're they're leading you because they want

Kendallwhat's best for you and for the family yours is not all men she's speak personally wouldn't be married if want a good man private chat we don't

Jadenknow what your husband's like but you look like a very healthy like beautiful woman and you have a respectful husband and that's amazing but a lot of women do not pick the right man and I feel like

Jadenit's possible that men saying men are the household and like boasting about it so much can get to some other men's head and create them to be abusers I'm not saying everyone's an abuser I agree but

JadenI believe that this mindset causes that and I do believe like a woman should submit to a respectful man if he really is following God and doing what God is asking him to

Kendallwhat role does the woman play in that because I feel like as women if we're not respecting ourselves then we're not demanding respect of a man and I feel like also like this whole courtship I mean you're you're dating them so it's not like you're all the sudden in this marriage and you're like oh my gosh he's

Kendallcontrolling me it's like this whole time he should have been leading you absolutely but I think men think they need to do that before you're even married that's what I'm saying like it also sounds like based on your relationship like you guys have a really healthy relationship and he's not

Lindsay Grahamabusive but if a man is abusive and controlling and then he wants you to be submissive and not combative and agreeable that's a problem Oh Absol I me I would married not that's not a man that's following God to just say so to

Jadenjust say women should always submit to a man decisions with the when they pick yeah absolutely we have a video that's Rel to this go ahead you can play it Nick I want guidance I want leadership

TTS/Donation Voicebut don't just like boss me around you know like Lead Me lead me when I'm in the mood to be led so I want guidance I

Brian Atlaswant leadership I think there was a longer version of it um but I don't know it occurs to me like so I think women

Brian Atlasreally want men who can lead but the feminism mind virus is you want a leader but you don't want to follow it's so hard for you guys to understand equality

Brian Atlaslike both people can meet each others no that doesn't hold on but you do you want a guy to take initiative on the first date like you want a guy to ask you out yeah but ideally I take initiative in other aspects what other what other aspects I make him feel good about

Brian Atlashimself I compliment he should do that too he should do that too that's not leadership that's just complimen that's take leaders agree that's not leadership are you talking about dating what are we talking about well obviously

Brian Atlasit starts somewhere right so you demand leadership for the first three months of your relationship I don't think anybody should be a leader here I think they should both be working together as a team yeah but on there's a leader in

Brian Atlaseverything you want the guy to take the massive I a lot of women don't understand because you're in the privileged position of being sexual selectors you don't understand the

Brian Atlasabsolutely massive burden that it is for men to be the initiators in these situations and take the lead and face the risk of just brutal rejection after rejection that's why you shouldn't

Brian Atlasdo it the entire time why would you do it well that's convenient for you to say because have to whe whatever hold on whatever prag or idealistic worldview

Kendallyou want to claim there is oh men shouldn't have to guess what men def by by default have to say they shouldn't have to I have a question through the entire relationship they

Brian Atlasshould not be being a doormat for the okay let me give you an example generally speaking men if men just don't take the initiative ever they are that's

Brian Atlasthe end of their bloodline do you like that's the difference between men and women women you just show up when it comes to dating you just have to make yourself AA

Brian Atlasif men if we don't make conscious effort and attempts to actually approach women pursue women that's the end of your

Kendallbloodline you're women you just dozens of men sliding into your an ugly girl and you just roll out of the bed and and you don't take care wom they get but not married yeah they're not

Jadenyeah thank you they're getting every single no they the same amount of men get married with the same amount of women and men get married because you you have to have two a man and a woman to get married like I don't it's not

Lindsay Grahamokay can I ask the question as a woman if you have a man that asks you on a date wants to pay for that date opens the door for you treats you right continues to treat you right and take care of you for six months ask you to

Lindsay Grahammarry him you marry him and you trust him love him respect him and he and you can agree that he's the leader what is the problem with him being the leader if you trust his decisions if I trust his decisions then he's a good person he can

Lindsay Grahamleave but you're like I trust you this whole time I trusted you until we got married I trust you now that we're married but now I want to have some control over some situations why can't you say I'm willing to relinquish control because I

Kendalltrust that whatever your decision is it's for the best for me because you love me if you have a loving relationship with a husband who respects you and genuinely sees the value in you then yeah there's no problem if you submit to him he's not going to abuse

Lindsay Grahamyou okay so then as a woman I'm saying that I do not there's no there's no area in my home where I need to override my husband and say I would like the authority here because why I don't trust you I don't think you're going to make the right decision I would assume your

Lindsay Grahamhusband's probably good to you he's very that's what we're saying that's you have ideas do you guys assume have ideas and he loves and respects me enough to allow me to pursue them you assume every single husband is going to be good in a

Lindsay Grahammarriage I have all kinds of ideas and my husband is so amazing and respectful and loving that he lets me do whatever I want so I'm literally not controll I'm literally not red because I give my

Kendallhusband control and he loves and respects me so much he says whatever you want baby so you're suggesting that every single woman in the world in order to avoid abuse and control should relinquish control I'm not all AB asking

Kendallyou what the problem are you suggesting abusive men don't exist not at all not at all but why are all these why are all of these men that we're talking about supposedly abusive and horrible people

Kendalllike there are so many good quality men out here and we're going back to fact where men get on and it's ridic podcast is on girls what do you

Brian Atlasmean strawman strawman it's not a stman it's the it actually is hold on we can we can get into wait hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on being argued with you think that being argued

Andrew Wilsonwith means you're getting on no I don't yeah if if you say equi towards someone they send they say equip back suddenly that's out you know that's out of bounds completely disagree complet well then that's all that's happened the

Brian Atlaswhole time you been here okay so what's the problem I don't okay hold on we're not sh on you there's two conversations going on here let me bring it back to the actual

Brian Atlasconversation instead of this devolving into a further meta conversations Jesus Christ your back put your mic back to the to the can you put

Brian Atlasyour mic back please okay to your point can we we try to keep the

Brian Atlasconversations to like normal sex are you arler what can we keep the conversation within like let's not go

Brian Atlasinto like abnormal situations I don't like I don't see okay should a woman follow an abusive man no are you happy now let's talk about

Kendallwithin the confin of normal healthy relationships abusive but there are a lot of men who are like I'll I'll give it to you don't follow

Brian Atlasabusive men I 100% agree now let talk cool I agree with you now let's talk about normal healthy relationships let's keep it focused here I think they both should be submitt listening to each other though okay so why do you have to

Kendallbring up this like scenario what if the man murders you woman every woman who's combative or has an opinion or or disagrees or whatever like you're a bad girl if you

Kendalldon't submit to to your husband in total totality do you want a guy who's dominant no you want ay boy no I don't want either so what do you want you want

TTS/Donation Voicewant a guy she wants a traditional liberal femin the guy you really like and have been dating for a while gets into

TTS/Donation VoiceFirearms he goes and buys a 500 snw AR-15 and belli M4 he says he wants to teach you firearm safety and how to shoot red flag uh no that that's a green flag okay

Brian Atlasreally quick going around the table on this go ahead Nick I want you to find out there's a video there's this a woman who was in a car it went viral a couple couple months ago we we pulled it up she was like I'm she's like a progressive

Brian Atlaswoman she's like well why can't I find like Democrat Progressive liberal feminist men who want to pay for dates and who are like masculine and traditional uh can you find that video

Brian Atlasplease we're going to react to that she not dating okay you're dating a guy you really like him he he gets into Firearms he buys a AR-15 um he wants to teach you firearm

Jadensafety is it a red flag no I would can you pull the microphon to the Ed him getting into guns weird but not a red flag for him to want to teach me how to shoot one if it's for safety no it's not

Kendallweird marry him immediately no I wouldn't say it's a red flag like biggest turn on it's not a red

Brian Atlasflag okay it's it's just like I'm getting frustrated because so often is it the case that we're trying to have a like a conversation about dating and then it devolves into well what should

Brian Atlasyou do in the event that one of the people is abusive okay we can talk about that but like what about the majority of relationships that I would say which are majority of people engage in healthy

Brian Atlasrelationships hold on you think the but hold on do you think the majority of relationships are abusive no but I do think toxic sure pickle donated $200 I'm enjoying Ivory's reactions to

Brian Atlasthis drama it just it serves to derail the actual like conversation we're trying to have Nick do you have the video no okay

Brian Atlaswe had uh let me read these chats here we have Blake black flame Nova I think you sent this as a streamlabs message also here's for having to put up with so much in these modern times and R revealing so much that traditional

Brian Atlasfathers warned us about onto the topic if he was a racist he wouldn't even give you a pack you sent this I think also as a uh streamlabs thing that shows some interest it was definitely a preference okay hey black flame Nova thank you man

Brian AtlasDaniel W the ladies don't understand respect and their mind respect is to kiss their ass and then let them make decisions if they decide against men should just accept it what is abuse curious what these ladies think it is oh

Brian Atlasmy God what it is emotional abuse seems to be the scapegoat most of the time it does it's true

Kendallfor the record I don't think it's all of us that are going towards that route I think it's the majority of us that aren't going towards what route the

Brian Atlasemotional abuse I honestly think it's just you oh I think people are just toxic are you toxic generalization all people you're perfect right you've never done anything wrong in a relationship I've definitely been toxic in a

Kendallrelationship that's why I broke up with them how were you toxic I was talking to another person okay so you're a cheater well I wasn't I didn't I

Kendalldidn't do anything it was to me that's not cheating that's emotional cheating then exactly it's toxic that's why I broke up right because it's toxic but a lot of people would the guy you

Kendallwere talking to no but a lot of guys a lot of people wouldn't oh I sorry hold on oh you did later but like it was like a year later it was a year later and when I broke up with the guy we were not

Kendalltalking so just put that it was a year later and when I broke up with the guy we were not talking at the time so I broke up with with the guy solely based on the fact that I felt bad that I had feelings for somebody

Kendallelse but have you ever been in emotionally or physically abusive relationship no but I've seen them okay well I have so if anyone has questions I've been physically abused by a man so I have

Lindsay Grahamauthority like big time she although I think we should move on cuz those aren't the the majority of relationship do you think I have like why do you ask because you talk about it like maybe were you physically abusive no I no no no not at

Kendallall it's kind of like the question I asked you h a little different little different I've seen people be physically abusive in relationships this panel sucks typical women as usual yo Max uh

Brian Atlaswho is the Asian girl in the back never says a word best type of woman I'm rich and single look me up patient Drive see and then and then you're going to expect a guy like that to get a girl who's submissive and Nice head ass I don't

Kendalleven know this guy but that's my there's a problem with men too is my point that's it and that that that's I don't think he disagrees there's a problem with men and he saying women should just shut up and not say anything the

Lindsay Grahambest shuts her mouth he has is a girl that man definitely said that don't defend that man he definitely just said that never says a word the best type of yeah he definitely said that what's wrong with liking us a he

Brian Atlascan like whatever introverted an introverted I me personally I think silence is golden I don't like to talk either I don't want to be yapping to my partner BL blah blah blah no let's just like shut the up and watch Breaking

Brian AtlasBad that's my ideal it bro let's watch Breaking Bad let's watch fallout Fallout was has who's seen Fallout the new thing mid super mid very mid show uh Game of Thrones oh Game of

KendallThrones yeah but you get a Girl Like That by treating her well found the okay you found the video well I mean unless she has problems she needs therapy okay I think this is

Video Clipit people are all right start from the beginning if you can do you want to know one of the saddest realizations I recently had was that as a liberal woman it is really

Video Cliphard to find a man who is willing to play the more traditional masculine role in the relationship in today's day and age who is not a conservative a man who wants to pay on the first state who

Video Clipwants to open your door who has that want and desire to take care of you and to provide who is not a conservative and obviously as a liberal woman I do do want to be respected for my Independence

Video Clipand I do want to have my own autonomy in the relationship and not be confined or conformed to the traditional female Homemaker childbearing role and most of

Video Clipthe men that I've dated who do have that more natural provider masculinity about them are normally conservative so I don't really know what to do because I don't want to compromise my morals and

Brian Atlasvalues just to find a man but am I asking to have my cake and eat it too yes you want to know one of wait you disagree with this is your position I no I just disagree with her like I don't

Kendallknow I don't know how she's having a hard time finding a guy to like sorry to like you know take her out on a date and treat her nicely I don't know that's hold on that's not what she said wait hold on just a question she said pay on the first date just a

Brian Atlasquestion if a guy doesn't pay a girl pay for a girl on the first date is that treating her poorly treating her not nicely well you said treating her nicely well she said two things right she said she said that he doesn't pay for the day

Andrew Wilsonand whatever then also he takes care of her and he like whatever does like a traditionally masculine man yeah she she speaks specifically about masculinity right well I I mean I don't know I says

Andrew Wilsonit's really hard suggesting that liberal men cannot care about their AB we're not saying I'm not listen when whenever you build anything that I say into a

Andrew Wilsonmonolith right this that I mean you can if you want but I'm just always going to point out to you that I don't ever say all never saying all okay we're talking

Andrew Wilsonin generalities here say most liberal men I wouldn't even say most I would just say there's a lot more men who follow a conservative ideology who probably come off as being more

Andrew Wilsontraditionally masculine a and this okay this is what seems to be what we receive when we talk to women and we do those polls where we never ask anybody anything but we do and when we do they

Andrew Wilsonseem to to claim the same thing that conservatives have more traditionally masculine just features I said before but I said that about Christianity not about women I think most liberal men are now women also so

Kendallno I think I think most liberal men are still able to what is a woman a lot of things however I think I think a lot of women want I I don't subscribe to this but I think a lot of women want somebody who's

Kendallextremely dominant and you know does lead them in all of these different facets but then they call it toxic masculinity and they say it's Yu I a man that wants to lead is not

KendallI just said I don't subscribe to it right I don't want that I want somebody who views me as equal and treats me properly and I don't want you don't really I do though but you said you want the initial months of the relationship no the first date he can pay for it

Kendallsounded like there was more stuff that the first day he can pay for it if we go out on another day after that and then he takes me on like three or four dayses and he's constantly paying at some point I'm going to be like listen I think we should split right I think it's fair or

Jadenwould you wouldn't pay no I would split with him why wouldn't you pay yeah it's equal I'm just sorry cont think you're meaning you want to get you give 100% of what you can give and the man gives 100%

Jadenof what he can give but we're not equal like like they said about the war thing like you're not going to want to get drafted to war you're not going to want to spend all your money flee yeah I would leave the country I wouldn't blame a man for leaving the country either

Kendallconsider masculine I mean no but I wouldn't blame him and I'd still marry him but that's toxic not how's it not toxic my gosh because you're I mean you're asking me if I would consider it masculine according to your definition

Andrew Wilsonof masculine right your definition of masculine my definition of masculine then no I I don't think then what's your definition I would just got to know what do you think the deference is from your definition of masculine to mine talk 42

TTS/Donation Voicedonated $200 for a generation of women that can't seem to find a good man they sure spend a lot of time marant or pregnant if you don't trust a man why the hell

Jadenwould you marry him I agree that's I agree well why are you dating well put dark Omen 42 thank you man I don't know see red flag you should leave okay I

Lindsay Grahamhave a question about equality so you're on the first date I don't care who pays on the way home the tire you get a flat tire do you equally go out and change the tire no whose car is it oh wait oh my gosh car car it's your car if it's my

Kendallcar then I'm changing the tire oh my word you can't change a tire I changed my own Tire can you change a tire misunderstood the question I thought you were asking who's paying

Brian Atlasfor the tire can you change the tire no I'm who's getting out in the rain and changing the tire I did not realize what me let's let's cuz you said you you know

Brian Atlasthe first date so just so I understand your position so and I have I if you the panel will allow me I want to do a bit of a back and forth here so if I

Brian Atlasunderstand your position the sole thing that is uh perhaps unequal in what you desire is just that you want guy to pay for the first date and that's it is that the only thing not just I would say the man needs to pursue initially that's

Brian Atlasprobably the only but let's go into that and some of the other things so do you want the guy to um have you ever had a man approach you in person yes and are you on dating apps yes okay wait do we

Brian Atlashave a dating app review we have to do who is that is it her okay we'll do that in a sec we'll do that in a sec um not now so I'm not really yeah anyway okay um do you want the man to either

Kendallapproach you or send the first message if you match on the dating app yes okay unequal do you want the man to like I assume for example let's say he I sent

Brian Atlasthe first message on Bumble yeah okay hold on I literally let me get into that though because Bumble too Bumble on Bumble the very funny thing as somebody who used Bumble for a very long time

Brian Atlashold on let me okay the very funny thing with Bumble is that while yes technically women do have to send the first message what you what women the vast majority of women on Bubble Bumble

Brian Atlasdo is they will send a token first message and immediately uh relinquish the conversational burden onto the man and the way hold on no no no no no no most

Brian Atlasno most women on Bumble will just say hey and then they shuck the rest of the conversational burden on the man they're not going to ask for the first date they're not going to carry the conversation they're not going to move

Kendallthings forward they're not going to solicit the number doesn't to all women I'm not saying all women I'm saying most somebody who was on Bumble for a long period of time on Tinder the men it's probably it's men do the same thing yes

Brian Atlasand women hate it the difference is though if as women because this is how women have dating on easy mode if you just send a hay on Bumble since that's a majority of what men get we run with it

Brian Atlasand immediately we will take on the burden and responsibility more no what happens is I think it changed right and then nothing what are you on what's up well that's

Kendallbecause what are you doing today what's your typical opener hey right no I mean I don't know I'd probably I I look through their profile and then I reference something in their profile that's usually what I okay

Brian Atlasthat's fair now so more often than not though when it comes to approaching are you doing with approaching or is the man doing approaching and what would you approached in the past for sure but more

Brian Atlasoften than not PR it when the man approaches prefer when the man approaches about carrying and leading the conversation like cuz a guy can't just should be doing that well hold on but a guy can't just walk up to you in a

Kendallgrocery store for example or Trader Joe's and just say hey right why not really I mean why I don't then you would just say hey and it falls do you realize the burden of

Kendallconversation like if I just shut the up right now realize that's what you meant literally like you were just like oh hey like that's it no like and he was trying to hit and he stood there high I didn't realize that's what you meant that'd be ridiculous right so the

Brian Atlasburden of conversation whether it's on a dating app or in person at least initially like if somebody approaches me and they just say hi yeah that's weird it's weird actually in a business

Brian Atlascontext too this annoys me when people just text me hi or hey I'm like just ask your question it's there's actually a a website about this called no hello where

Brian Atlasit's like it's anyways we're not going to dive into that what about uh you match with somebody on the dating app or they approach you who do you want to solicit the first date like hey I'd like to see you again can I get your

Brian Atlasnumber after the first date I mean no no no no so you're still talking either on the dating app or you've been approached in person who should solicit for the phone number okay who should solicit for the

Brian Atlasfirst date the man okay now who should set up the date he gets your number he text he's texting you who should like try to move things forward and set the data up ideally him but ideally him okay this is

Brian Atlasso hard for you I know no I'm just I have it's men every time so now let's say uh let's say you you have to cancel on the guy let me okay let's say you cancel on

Kendallthe guy how you going to frame that message to him sorry I can't make it I'm not feeling well do you mind oh my god really you just going

Brian Atlasto you can't you can't really you're just going to run away I'm in the middle of defense she was already not feeling well well at least let me finish the convo

Kendallthreat get her a Gatorade or something I don't know it's not going to help but yeah what were you saying are you pregnant or something yeah sure celibate

Brian Atlasfor 7even months but pregnant okay I don't know um okay you she said she was celibate until we asked her a couple of questions I she knows what C so repeat

Brian Atlasthe question yes I'll repeat the question let's say you the guy sets up the date with you and this is a frequent occurrence when it comes to trying to plan dates with people uh let's say you have to cancel the date how do you what what do you pretend you know what's the

Kendalltext you send I'm worried she's going to throw up can someone just get her just let her answer just please I usually don't cancel on the date just say have you ever probably make up an no I haven't but I'd probably make up an excuse like I don't know something just came up and and no let's say something C

Brian Atlasmy cat you're not trying to get out of the date let's just say something genuinely you have a a work thing come up or something mhm okay tell me how you would cancel tell him I'm so sorry I have a work thing oh so you don't do the

Brian Atlascourteous thing which would be to hey I'm so sorry I can't this is a thing often women do when they cancel dates hey I'm so sorry I can't make it you don't counter this is an etiquette courtesy thing if you have to cancel the

Brian Atlasplan the courteous thing is etiquette thing is to offer a counter oh hey I can't do today but are you free next Wednesday most people H you say that but most people don't do that well if I if I genuinely didn't want to cancel the date I'd be like yeah let's reschedule and

Kendallthen the conver and then the burden goes back on to the guy to then follow up with you I think making a lot of assumptions I usually like okay let's try next week instead right okay so then but you're

Kendallgoing to have him want to set up that second date right no if if we're if if the first date was cancelled and then we have to go on to like another date we're rescheduling and he whatever like it

Kendalldoesn't it doesn't matter if we're working together at this point to to figure out the logistics because really you wouldn't just the burden on to him no because he's already made his move he's already said look I'm interested in you that's really all

Brian Atlasthat that seems dubious but okay okay um so now you're let's say you're on the date who has the burden of carrying leading the conversation on the date they both should and if they don't con check this out okay we're on a date you

Kendalland me let's role playay this we're on a date hey hi what's up how are you I'm good cool that's great I'm really glad for you

Kendallyou've already failed at carrying and leading the conversation I mean you're see I can't do what a lot of women do on the first date which is if a woman says to the man good that's it and just gives you one word responses like that's not like she's not working with you either

Brian Atlasmean she's probably not interested no not necessarily I just think that typically when it comes to dating women look towards men to actually carry and leave the conversation if I did what a lot of women do on first dates look some

Jadenwomen are gifted conversationally but most if I just literally did what women did we would just sit there in silence like maybe it's different cuz I'm a bartender so I have to talk to lots of different people well that's also a much

Jadenmore social environment than like a pre-arranged date I talk I talk what a weird date anyway for for the for the woman not to ask anything about you I think that's strange I I do think women have substance in their brains just not

Jadenquity I think that you might be going after girls that are like genuinely like I know yeah what is the barrel not really at least when I you sure cuz if they don't want to ask you questions they either don't care or they just back

Brian Atlaswhen I was on back when I was on dating apps and I'm oh okay I'm not done I have more I have more okay so let's continue right um now okay and you've already answered

Brian Atlasthis but who should now okay let's say the date's going well you went to get food or a drink or whatever who should pay for the date the first date the man okay and then should the date end there

Kendallafter it depends have you ever had a date go further like you went back to his place he went back to yours I've never I've never done anything sexual on the first Daye never no I have you ever hooked up with a guy the same day you met him like at a party or some sort of

Brian Atlasevent no none of us are on only fans so that makes things even more of us are on only hold on women who are hold hold on women who are you aren't you guys from Arizona ASU people be like within 30 minutes of meeting all the time I didn't go to ASU whatever

Jadenand yeah it's true they are they have a big STD rate but we are not one of those women you go on a date with a guy it goes well generalizing yeah wellow there's going to be a second date right ideally okay who's going to set that up

Kendallhim or you I mean IDE if you liked the second date I mean the first date then you let him know you say like hey I had a good time you know I really enjoyed myself and whatnot and then if he's interested he'll keep the so the burden remains on him to initiate I just said

Kendallshe just said hey I have a good time and if he's also interested then he will respond right and then they'll I had a good time too dot dot dot whose burden is it now to set up the second day say when a girl says I had a really good

Jadentime and I really enjoyed it with you then she's not going to go out on a second date and that makes a lot of sense I'm so confused why a woman wouldn't just be able to say hey you want to go out again so what you're saying is if I reciprocate exactly what

Brian Atlasyou say so what you're basically admitting is the initiative the hold on let me finish the burden of initiative once again falls on the man no not necessarily if you said afterwards that date was really good I had a really good time and then next week I was like Hey

Brian Atlaslike are you busy you want to do something again there's no problem damn it's going to damn you got to work on the game it's going to take you a week to go to ask the guy out are you are you taking a girl out on a date every night no no but you're waiting a week to

Kendallbetween messages to set up another date ideally you're talking back and forth right if you're going to tell me if a man is going to tell me I had a really good time on the date I'm not just going to leave him hanging I'm going to respond to him and then we're ideally going to be talking back and forth

Brian Atlasthroughout the week and then I wait did we say that in person or over text okay let's move on over text so I mean it would seem to me that soliciting subsequent dates would also continue to

Kendallfall on the man what about moving things forward physically who should go for the first kiss um ideally the men and women I don't know to be honest that one's kind of uh

Kendallhow many first kisses have you had or kisses have you had three three of all the first kisses have you had who initiated it uh my first one was pretty Mutual my second one was also pretty mutual and then my third one he

Brian Atlasinitiated and I did would you have preferred if the guy the guy took a bit more initiative on the first kiss no I actually didn't like it okay well I'll tell you this much most men are going to have to make the first move when it comes to going for the first kiss what

Kendallabout moving things forward sexually I I honestly I'd rather my personal preference is I'd rather develop a deep relationship with someone before getting ah so he's going to have to carry this for a long time then so let's assume you're there which is why it's pretty

Jadenhard for me to find somebody because a lot of men don't want to do that well aren't you feminist why would you want to wait to have sex I do think some of your views contradicting right there not really I think men women I guess you

Brian Atlascould be and not want to people right away that's fair okay um but let's talk about when it comes to let's talk about physicality right okay so I assume let's say you're at that stage in the

Kendallrelationship where you're ready would you want him to move things forward physically yeah but if you if if you're I'm speaking from experience at this point if you're at a Rel like if you're at a point where you guys are already

Kendallemotionally invested in each other it's pretty Mutual at that point if anything sexually happens really yes it's pretty hard for for somebody to just like like at that

Brian Atlaspoint you're on the same page you know what I mean what are you looking for in a woman hold on hold on so that you're saying you're saying that

Brian Atlaslike let's say you're do you guys have would you have an over hold hold would you have an overt conversation about hey we've been dating for 3 months I'd like to have sexual intercourse is that how the conversation would go no no but

Kendallsaying if you're da if you're official with somebody you're not just dating it's like your boyfriend and girlfriend you're actually like together for a long time it's like at that point like yeah there's nothing there it's pretty it's

Brian Atlasjust a given it's both are just going to kiss each other bras and shirts and clothes don't just magically get removed typically if you have it's mutual at that point though you know what I mean it's not like a man making the first

Kendallmove they're both doing it together they know what they're I speaking I'm speaking from experience like you know you know what you're getting into at that point you know what I mean like so you're saying you'd be the first to go and unzip his pants right potentially yeah like the first most women would

Brian Atlasthink feel like I'm a hussy if I'm going to go straight like the first time a lot of wom the first time you have sex the initiating just so I'm clear the first time you'll have sex you're like let's say he's not making the move you're just

Brian Atlasgoing like he's not trying to take your top off I don't know how they okay it's hard to imagine cuz like you say how long do you wait 3 months before you want to get intimate with somebody I would wait until we're official before

Kendallgetting inate with anybody so what 1 month 2 months 3 months how long however long they think it needs to be until we're official I mean I think I think you get a pretty good idea however long he thinks it should be before it becomes

Brian Atlasofficial so he's initiating the official no it's two people so for me I think three months 3 months as I was saying okay but is there cuz if you so you want to wait right so are you saying like as soon as that conversation happens he's

Brian Atlaslike hey babe I want you to be my girlfriend there's oh sorry but you said making something official would mean that there has to be some over there' have to be some overt conversation right yes making it

Kendallofficial yes I didn't not the sex part that's not a conversation it just happens but it happens pretty mutually it happens mutually conveniently at the

Kendallprecise exact same time that you for the zippers together you both are official and you're both dating and boyfriend and girlfriend yeah you're just going to go kiss because that's normal that's what you do you're going to hug because it's

Brian Atlasnormal that's what you do no like it's not a man making the initiation so it's look I guess look it can be totally a mutual thing I guess no all right let it go let it go let me

Brian Atlasplease let me just finish I'm almost done okay so you're just going to when it comes to like moving things forward

Brian Atlassexually what's going on you're just going

Kendallto you're you're it's going to be a mutual seduction yeah you both kiss at the same time you both you both so you're just going to take your clothes off you don't want him take your clothes off so hard no you both take your clothes off like why I don't understand

Kendallhow it's so hard for you to understand if you're already boyfriend and girlfriend it's official it's pretty Mutual if you're kissing yeah in a relationship yes the woman's going to be you know she's going to initiate too but I mean but that's exactly I would say

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