3 RUDE FERAL GIRLS KICKED OUT?! 1 RAGE QUIT?! Andrew Wilson! DEMON Feminist?! | Dating Talk #153

Date: 2024-04-17

Duration: 6h 03m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLindsay Graham >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donation Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_02Kendall(guest)

SPEAKER_03Tara(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lindsay Graham(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jaden(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_13Madeline(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAlien reveals she is "dating a tree"; describes kissing tree bark and taking a man to visit it.

“"hi I'm alien I'm 25 and I'm also from Arizona" / "technically I'm single but I'm also dating a tree"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson makes joke referencing a previous "born again virgin" episode; Jaden accuses him of being offensive to sexual assault victims; escalates into first major conflict of the night.

“"he came to give us no he came to also give us Church"”

OtherAlien describes sugar daddy arrangement where she was paid extra to stay celibate for him; second sugar daddy pulled guns on her when she accidentally revealed the arrangement.

“"I had a sugar daddy and he was paying me more money for being celibate"”

OtherLindsay Graham reveals former life as meth addict and stripper; describes being coerced into abortion by abusive narcissistic boyfriend.

“"I was a dancer and a drug addict while attending church"”

QuoteAlien rates herself 12/10 on looks; claims she will continue getting hotter into old age.

“"I think I am the most prettiest girl in the world... I'm a magic person"”

ControversyKendall tells Tara to "bite her tongue" and submit to a man; group tension peaks before the kickout.

“"I would love to see you in a relationship where you bite your tongue like half the time"”

OtherBrian kicks out Tara and companions after prolonged combative behavior; "get the fuck out... your permission to be here has been revoked."

“"get the out get out get out just get out"”

OtherAndrew Wilson describes the "Great Ho Reformation" phenomenon: women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" finding Jesus and infiltrating churches to meet men.

“"women out there who are getting into their 30s and they've realized that they have written what we like to refer to as the Carousel"”

OtherKendall reveals she had thyroid cancer (stage 3) discovered the night before surgery; was also pregnant; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free but wears hearing aids.

“"I gave birth to her at full term breastfed her for 2 months and then did radiation"”

OtherBrian recounts being scammed $2,000 by David Spearman (spearmint social) for Instagram username @BrianAtlas; plays video evidence of scammer.

“"it's been over 7 weeks almost two months since I paid him $2,000"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Alien reveals she is "dating a tree." Jaden and Madeline reveal 3-year biromantic asexual relationship. Relationship statuses discussed around table.

Same-sex relationship and Christianity

Extended debate between Andrew Wilson and Jaden/Madeline about reconciling their same-sex relationship with Christian faith. Topics: Paul's epistles, submission in marriage, nuclear family, sex and procreation, whether relationship is "just roommates."

Christian communities vs secular: happiness stats

Andrew and Tara debate statistical methods for measuring happiness in religious vs secular communities. Therapy, anti-depressants, divorce rates, polling methodology discussed.

Nuclear family and patriarchy in marriage

Panel debates whether husbands should be final decision-makers. Lindsay and Kendall argue for male leadership in healthy marriages. Tara and Jaden argue for equal partnership. Andrew runs hypotheticals (lasagna, school choice, business investment). TikTok clip of progressive woman lamenting inability to find masculine liberal men played.

Alien personal stories (sugar daddy, guns, tree)

Alien describes: two simultaneous sugar daddy arrangements, one pulling guns on her. Male racist who kissed her but refused to go further. Spending $10k and driving 15 hours to visit a cheating man. Wrecking a marriage; threesome story. Manipulating a man with love letters.

Dating dynamics: who leads, who initiates

Extended back-and-forth with Tara on dating expectations: who approaches, who asks out, who pays on first date, who initiates physical escalation. Brian demonstrates that nearly every step defaults to male initiative.

Self-ratings (1-10 looks)

All guests rate their own looks 1-10. Alien: 12 (self); Jaden: 8; Tara: 7-7.5; Lindsay: 8; Kendall: 8. Debate over objectivity vs subjectivity of beauty standards.

Gender pay gap and women's sports

Quick panel poll: all deny wage gap is significant today. Jaden notes she updated her view after research. Women's sports taking less seriously: briefly discussed.

Beauty standards: male vs female

Debate on whether female beauty standard is more achievable than male. Brian argues female standard (flat stomach, healthy BMI) is attainable by 90% of women; male bodybuilder standard requires genetics/steroids/years of training. Photos shown for illustration.

Tara rage quit and kickout

After hours of contentious debate, Tara and two companions (Madeline's group) stand up indicating they want to leave. Brian tells them to get out (~5:00:36). Three feral girls leave. Remaining guests continue.

Lindsay Graham personal story: stripper, meth, abortion, cancer

Lindsay reveals: former meth addict and stripper in her 20s. Became pregnant by abusive boyfriend who coerced her into abortion at 8 weeks. Thyroid cancer diagnosis (stage 3) discovered night before surgery; chose to carry baby to full term before radiation. Now cancer-free; wears hearing aids due to progressive deafness.

"Great Ho Reformation" at church

Andrew describes phenomenon of women in their 30s who "rode the carousel" now reforming and attending church to find men. Lindsay reveals her own similar background as context.

Brian's $22k scam story (David Spearman / spearmint social)

Brian recounts being scammed out of $2,000 (originally mentioned $22k at intro) by David Spearman and girlfriend Siara Stevens of "spearmint social" who promised to acquire the @BrianAtlas Instagram username. Paid $2k in crypto Feb 22; 7 weeks later no delivery, no refund. Video clips of David Spearman played as evidence.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasand his is his I bet you won't oh you bet wrong well also just money heads up to all the men who are perhaps being convinced into a marriage when it comes

Brian Atlasto a prup I'd highly encourage you to one research the laws in your state in your country and also I'd encourage you to consult with an attorney because uh

Brian Atlaseven if there's a prup prenups get challenged they get grown out also that which my understanding even with a prup if I have my understanding of the

Brian Atlaslaw correct it it can only really address in terms of the money that's going to be coming in it can only address your pre-marriage

Brian Atlasuh your pre-marriage uh money once you get married it's all community property from there on I think that's my understanding so if you get married and then you go on

Brian Atlasto make a ton of money the money that you made in the course of the marriage will I don't think it's subject to the prenup that's my understanding you may want to consult with attorney on that we do have let's

Brian Atlassee what we have here let's get into some of the pre-show notes Here Yeah guys go to twitch.tv whatever drops a follow drop drops a prime sub thank thank goodness there were no issues

Brian Atlasgoing on over there on Twitch which I which would suggest to me that there was a issue on YouTube side not on our side but uh guys if you're on YouTube drop us a follow over there on Twitch and if you

Brian Atlashave a prime drop us a prime sub thank you guys appreciate it so we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here and there's quite a lot so I want to try to get through it fairly quickly the first thing I have to do we missed two super chats previous show I'm going to

Brian Atlasdo them now this is a question from Ian he says to the ladies all things being equal if a guy makes 160k a year great personality person personable but as

Brian Atlasvegan would you considered a red flag and if what ises being vegan have to be how much Mone they spend hey yo Marcus thank you for the gift to 20 memberships so I guess um is

Jadenbeing vegan red flag would you date somebody's a vegan yeah I totally would the tree hug it's not a red flag but I would date someone as vegan it's not a red flag but it'd probably be a little Annoying I'd

Madelinesay it's a red flag men need to eat meat and work out and be strong I say it's not a red flag I mean like do what what you want if you have

Kendallto eat a specific way that doesn't Define who you are but that's a red flag going back to the lasagna conversation if I'm going to be the one cooking the meals and I'm going to have to now go vegan no that's a red flag and I like

Kendallwhat Lindsay said they're definitely providers and protectors and they need to be fueling their body I don't need like a soy boy you know I don't think it's a red flag I

Kendallmean it will be absolutely annoying and that sucks but ultimately I mean there's way worse red flags and then another Miss Super Chat we had here from Kyle Kelce he wanted to resubmit as

Brian Atlasthe following question would you date a bluecollar man like a truck driver uh I don't think so why not she only dates

Alientrees um I'm more into like artists and stuff like that so for me personally I don't think that I would want someone like

Brian Atlasthat um yeah if he's a good man or woman if whatever your orientation Blue C or woman if he's nice and cute yeah okay

Kendallyes I mean yes it depends but yeah absolutely hands down as long as he's hardworking and provides for my family absolutely yeah I would agree it'd be a

Brian Atlasyes just depends yeah all right it's a hard job let's see we're going to where are we going to start here with the pre-show

Brian Atlasnotes why don't we start with our good friend alien or ger so oh also um I should have done this during the intro

Alienuh you have a tongue split yeah yeah I have my tongue split did you want to see it yes yeah you can show us oh my goodness damn that's sounds painful

TTS/Donation Voicecrazy Muses still work yeah I got it done during uh Christmas you oh okay yeah horable D donated

TTS/Donation Voice$199 Brian you are right about the prenup X if you get preup then start a successful IT company postnup then get cheated on

Brian Atlasand divorce with no kids you can still get screwed ask me how I know he's like 600 how you know deplorable dude deplorable dude this gu uh how do you

Brian Atlasknow did you have a did you have a prup did you start a successful IT company did you get divorced did she initiate the divorce was there you know what was

Brian Atlasthe reason uh yeah let us know for $200 more now now I will say this actually you know you could just avoid the

Brian Atlassituation entirely this is where me and Andrew disagree a bit you could just not get married and avoid the entire dilemma but you don't believe in marriage nope

Brian Atlaswhat the heck well hold on the feminist disagrees with me on on this this is a bit confusing I mean I like marriage yeah I want to I want to have a family what does that mean why do you want to be you you well hold on so I'm just

Kendallcurious I'm like it's genuine I'm not trying to be build well hold on so you're you're not religious right do you think it's you only can be married to build a family then no but I'd rather be married to my husband why yeah because I

Kendallwant I want me and I are a team right now yeah I want to be like it doesn't make sense I just want it to be like a family I don't know like it's not really a family but it can still be a family what what's the difference I mean I guess I like you

Kendalldon't necessarily have to get like married in a court I guess law but I mean in my head but you're not religious are you I'm not religious no so then where would you get married in a church no I'm saying I'm saying like if you

Kendalljust don't believe in marriage as a concept but you want to like live together and raise kids whatever like to me that's the same thing it's you're basically married and everything but the title well the only difference is though is if you do get married one there's

Brian Atlasgoing to be perhaps an expectation to spend tons of money on a ring you're going to have to spend tons of money on the ceremony even if you don't there still is the ceremony and then there's the legal ramif of the marriage so you want family but

Kendallyou just don't want to get married yeah but you haven't Justified why you why you should get married what what I like all of that I like the whole societal thing I like the the wedding and the and the ring yeah you have a wedding who's

Kendallspending the money that the actual marriage license normally from from my experience normally it's the parents that split it but that's because in

Jadenwhere I'm from Mar did start for religious reasons though well okay so so what's the like what do you from Marriage like I I get what they what he's saying Mar is he's saying too I

Kendalljust I I disagree I would want to get married I'd want to have that's F I'd want to have that I and I I don't actually is it just because of the wedding you just want the wedding no it's it's just everything like I want I

Kendallwant I want it to be in sorry I want I want to have his last name I want I want it to be like in paper that we're a family have his last name you can have all of that interesting I mean not legally Legally

Lindsay Grahamyeah you can you can have your name to name she did say I want everything on paper so that's legal that you want a legal certificate of marriage you want to be legally B we file our taxes it

Kendallshould be together you can file together still file together you still can I don't know yeah I I like Jo I don't know I just like the marriage thing I want to get married why because I like it do you

Kendallthink it's that's superficial so you like love usually there's some reasons yeah no well with the marriage part in particular there's not right that's just I like but like the the family part I want to be in a family way you're viewing

TTS/Donation Voicemarriage that's that's what I'm talking about right okay so you deplorable dude donated $199 I also disagree with a dog on this

TTS/Donation Voicenow due to most present day women don't worry about the $200 sleeves I did the good parts again that's not important though just trying to help the

Brian Atlastribe did I just get thank you deplorable dude deplorable dude hey thank you man appreciate it man appreciate it thank you uh I don't know if we got any details there about the

Brian Atlaswhole marriage situation I mean my I am I'm actually don't object to marriage from a religious perspective in fact I really think the only scenario in which people ought to get married is if they are religious I don't really see the

Brian Atlasbenefit at least from the the Breadwinners perspective uh which typically tends to be the man I don't really see the benefit there given the Financial

Brian AtlasRisk so I mean look you you can still have your secular marriage but uh to me I don't see the point and this you can certainly still have a family because all the like you could stay with one

Brian Atlasperson forever be monogamous have children never split up but then essentially you just don't trust them because you're not going to get no you just perhaps you have an objection to the state being involved in your

Andrew Wilsonrelation that would work both ways too right you say I demand that you marry me CU otherwise you don't trust me you say I demand you don't because otherwise you don't trust me actually a really good point really good point that would be the same thing guess it's just an agree

Kendallto disagree thing like you can I'm sure find a girl who doesn't want to get married but I will find a guy who does that's totally fine that's totally flop flop we're not taking away the preference we just looking for anything that you might have had that might have

Andrew Wilsonbeen outside the preference and it doesn't sound like there is anything what we were just looking to see if there was anything outside if it's just my preference and there's not oh no it's just my anyways moving on um starting

Brian Atlaswith our good friend alien here let's see you said that you've dated you haven't really dated anyone since most people reject you because of your looks is that you get rejected a lot

Brian Atlasyeah I get rejected I feel like there's guys that are kind of God there's tons of guys that got be into it totally oh yeah totally I have like my DMs are full but like for the most part like when it

Aliencomes to like being serious and stuff like that like people have this they can't take me home basically to their families cuz most it might be hard pitch could be a hard it's I've had people

Brian Atlastell me that have you ever thought of like wait if you take those out will they close up like you have to keep them in like 24/7 basically yeah basically okay can I ask you what prompted you to

Aliento do all of that oh I just like it like I don't know I just one day I got a couple piercings and then I was like I'm going stop whenever I feel like they

Brian Atlasdon't look good on me and then here I am I still have I have a time okay but it sounded like earlier when we were talking about your relationship status you uh I mean I'm not going to talk

Brian Atlasabout the tree stuff anymore but uh you said you were kind of seeing a couple people it sounded like is yeah I just got over being like celibate basically um you what do you mean you

Brian Atlasjust got over being celibate like yeah I was celibate for a while how long um maybe 2 years wait hold on I thought you said six you were celibate for 2 years

Brian Atlasyeah uh and it that when did your cipy end um it kind of like took a break here and there cuz well hold on hold on hold on you can't claim celibacy so it's like

Alienif you have sex like you can't claim two years but in between the two years can I explain okay cuz like the first time around I wouldn't have done it but then

AlienI had a sugar daddy and he was paying me more money for being CIB bate so therefore wait he was paying you money to not

Alienhim so he gave me not other men to not other people basically but him yeah basic that's not CIB

Andrew Wilsonyeah I wasib for a whole year I was cibit for a whole year before the offer before by the way too if a man is giving you money to only have sex with him

Alienisn't that prostitution um I mean it's it depends on yes it depends on the relationship

Andrew Wilsonwell I mean if I if I paid a woman to have sex with me that would be prostitution right a relationship it wasn't just like a random thing well but

Andrew Wilsonit's a relationship where he was paying you not to other dudes and only him relationship relationships don't pay you for sex that it's not usually I mean I

Alienmean I wasn't the one that was getting you know all the time so hang on expl so like I had my sugar daddy was

Alienalso like he had other sugar babies and then like my my friend was his other sugar baby so she will always be there and he would have sex with her and I

Alienwould just get extra money for basically being there most of the time so you became a pimp you went from prostitute to pimp like I like I've done it with him a couple of times but it's not like did

Alienyour friend know that you were making money if he would have sex with her oh yeah she knew and I would always tell her like I feel bad like I feel bad like I'm getting like this amount money yeah

KendallI was like I it's because he was having sex with her more like hang on you were you were getting paid yeah to for your friend to have sex with your sugar daddy

Kendallso you were her pimp and she wasn't getting a cut of it no she actually invited me over to him she was your pimp so you were getting paid to watch I was getting paid to go hang out while also

Brian Atlasbeing I would encourage both of you to no longer do that okay wait so hold on uh you've also you mentioned here you've had wild threesome experiences we got oh is this the this this what you were just

Brian Atlastalking about uh no you said you got two friends who saw each other as Bros to participate oh yeah oh so Devil's 3ome yeah so we were at a party at my

Alienfriend's house and I was was like let's get up and then eventually I started making out with this guy and then his friend was there as well so I was like I know you guys are friends but

Alienand I know you want to but if you're not going to have a threesome with me then I'm also not going to you at all and he was like begging his

Andrew Wilsonbro like let's do this please wait the guy was begging his his friend so you put that condition down so they were gay no no so you put the condition down I'll

TTS/Donation Voiceonly do this if your friend has sex with me I'll only do a three like Daddy $200 I like Ivory cause she actually

TTS/Donation Voiceevery but alien was a freaky freak back in our day she need to sit up straight though it's bothering me that she has a hunch in her back is this your sugar

Brian Atlasdaddy hi Alex oh that's Alex yeah that's not his own name so okay the Sugar Daddy's in the Chad okay interesting that's funny we have uh does he have

Brian Atlaslike all the weird all over him too oh no he's oh boy he's what he's a plain guy plain plain yeah wait like of the guys that you like are they like

Brian Atlasthey're race like typically white guys oh yeah for the most part I kind of got that I don't know why I just had this intuition that it's like like is it kind of like nerdy white dudes uh no it's

Alienit's not because of like that's who comes to me is more so the people that I reject and that's they end up being the most that like are respectable to me

Aliensorry okay you also said that you you've driven 12 hours to go see a man because you're scared of planes yeah so there was this guy that I was like in love

Alienwith at one point I drove like 10 like no not even 10 it was like 15 hours and spent like $10,000 to go see this man just for him to like be texting other

Alienin my Airbnb and then him get mad at me for talking about well talking to another guy when I found out that he was actually talking to one you also had a

Alienstory of you kind of wrecking a marriage what happened there oh um yeah I was kind of text like texting a guy and his wife ended up hitting me up one day and was like you're a you knew

Kendallhe was married yeah but it wasn't like we were flirting or whatever what were you hang on no there's like no excuse to be with another man's another woman's husband

Kendallbut what were you texting about then huh what were you what what was there to discuss and how did you meet him there's like so many aspects there I met him at his place of work and he does a lot of traveling for work so there was at a

Alienpoint where he had posted on Instagram like hey I need help blah blah blah and I went and picked them up from the airport and that was all that happened

Alienso she got mad about that and came and attacked me and the other girl that he was actually you broke up a marriage but you didn't actually do anything yeah I

Jadendidn't do anything you picked him up from the I was a part of but another he was cheating another girl had yeah he was with another girl yeah it waser okay you also said you wanted to talk about

Brian Atlasas far as dating topics how to manipulate a man oh my God no please I did not mean it like that that's what you said that's what you said in your show notes you said you want to talk about how to manipulate for that I said

Brian Atlasthat why we can't forget what it's trth your memory like we need I can't do that we got we got to you know stick to the truth talk about it the more they want to stick to the truth I I don't know I

Aliendon't think I'm personally manipulative I know that can do certain things you know what I mean um stop the C I know like I got one guy to fall in love with me just because I started

Aliengiving him a bunch of Like Love Letters just because I wanted to see if I could do it but that's like I'd say that's manipulative have you ever had um a relationship where you were emotionally invested in someone yeah yeah uh the guy

Alienthe situationship that I was just talking about I spent like $10,000 on him drove like at least five six seven

Alientimes um 15 hours just to go and see him um I knew him basically since I I don't

Alienwant to say a kid I was a minor but the like he didn't know of me was he a minor what it's because of his like place of work but what what kind of what what

Kendallvalue do you think you bring to a relationship me I think I bring everything I'm not asking attacking I want to know you seem like you're just

Kendallgiving it away for nothing and I feel like you need to have more value yeah no and I understand that I have actually like um what is it called I don't know I have

Alienlike neurod Divergent stuff that goes on in my brain so I have a hard time like being able to distinguish like value from people which I was just actually

Alientalking to my best friend about this cuz he helps me kind of gauge like how people treat me you know what I mean what I'm getting do you have a

Aliendiagnosis yeah so they're looking for BPD right now other than that I have anxiety um and I don't know you're nodding but

Andrew Wilsonyou don't believe in Psychology let's not let's not rehash the conversation um but actually I do believe in Psychiatry but

Brian Atlasthat's actually one crazy thing one crazy thing related to the whole therapy thing on YouTube shorts better help which is I guess a website for you can do online therapy or something they have

Brian Atlasbad stuff uh one of the advertisements for better help one of the therapists on there is in the ad and she's like I've been in therapy since I was 6 years old

Brian Atlashas anybody seen that ad how can you why like unless some like crazy went down like I think she was just like her parents were like do therapy it's

Brian Atlasnot clear to me if there's like some catastrophic trauma but that's crazy to just like throw your kid in therapy at the reason I asked that I would agree ideally you just them well yeah the reason I asked that question has nothing

Andrew Wilsonto do with my belief in Psychology Psychiatry or otherwise the reason I asked the question is because I note that when I ask most women the question of if they've been diagnosed with whatever the is that they say that

Brian Atlasthey have they usually say no got it okay uh let's see you also you so you don't want to talk about the manipulation stuff yeah I'm okay on that you do little witchcraft yeah I do

Andrew Wilsonlittle witchcraft involved in the manipulation little black magic cting BS over there not on other people just on myself you do admit though you do at

Kendallleast admit that you do manipulate men we don't have to talk about it but that what do you how do you define I don't if that makes sense feel for everyone I don't think anyone can be

Brian Atlasmanipulative all right you also you said that you is that a thing someone to go out I don't know you said that you don't agree with most of our views most of the

Brian Atlasviews on the podcast are there any that you specific specifically wanted to uh discuss I can't think of it right now off the top of your head anything um I

Brian Atlascan come back to you but you might have to remind me because guess transgenderism I don't know okay well I'm not I don't really want to get

Brian Atlastoo too much down that one but uh what how do you self ID me I'm sh can we do pronouns really quick okay it she

Kendallthen she her she her nope she her wait okay you don't have pronouns I don't do pronouns no what

Andrew Wilsonwhat what do I refer to you as well look you look at me and you tell me I us go ahead that is a pronoun yeah I know could refer to me as I us try it let see

Brian Atlashow you do all right how are you I yeah good us it's ridiculous yeah so anyway wait wait so so what what do you um on this topic is it the dating related

Brian Atlasstuff with the Trans stuff like for example do you the question I typically ask is do you object to a man not wanting to date somebody who's trans is that where you object or disagree no I I

Brian Atlasyou're fine with that yeah I'm fine with that okay is it the sports stuff yeah like trans PE trans women shouldn't be going to ask this just just to ask but

Brian Atlaswhat sex were you born as not gender but sex I'm a female okay okay all right well we're not GNA get bogged down on that one you said that

Alienyou had a sugar daddy pull out what on you yeah so I had two sugar daddies at one point um they were friends I went over one of my sugar

Aliendaddy's houses and I thought that they knew about the arrangement between me and the other person I ended up slipping and saying some and the one sugar

Aliendaddy ended up pulling out guns on me while I was sleeping run b r yeah um you said guns plural so he had like two pistols oh no no no he like I woke up

Alienand he like called me out into this room and there was like a whole table just a plethora of guns was he holding uh he picked up one and like I believe he pointed it at me at one point I was just like you look really emotional about

Kendallthis I feel like there's a lot in your life that you like haven't processed and so you're physically wearing it would you say that's right um I don't know what you

Kendallmean you like when you talk things physically wearing it emotionally and I mean you're piercing donated $200 for alen what is your origin story

TTS/Donation Voicewhat in your life has pushed you to the interest of leading that sort of lifestyle and doing vast physically cosmetic gymnastics to yourself who hurt you you okay I'm fine I mean it's just that's

Alienwhat that's what I was getting at though I truly that's what I was getting at like so you're asking me if I think that like I look like like like I got these piercings because of the trauma that

Kendallyeah instead of really dealing with the actual trauma you're mutilating your body likeing I just think I look cool I think I look they don't all you know that's that's like that's what I hear

Andrew Wilsonall the time is the there's always an association whenever somebody's acting like a lunatic that it's because of trauma but it's not really just a lot of people I say that not you that's directed I didn't say that I asked that

Andrew WilsonI know but what I'm saying is is that it's it's a trend that I've noticed that people seem to think that there's always some kind of traumatic event cuz there often is well I don't know that's debatable but I think that um that the

Andrew Wilsonkind of like what we would see is a loony Behavior often from people just is look at me attention look at me look at me look at me and I think that the trauma thing is really just a cope I think that it's um a lot of people just

Andrew Wilsonreally want to have a lot of attention on themselves and that's that comes from somewhere too right I mean maybe as a child you receive that type of attention maybe but I mean I don't know I I I I

Andrew Wilsonthink some people just want that attention and they didn't have any kind of trauma a lot of them seem to come from houses where they have two parents and they they say that hey we've had a I

Andrew Wilsonhad a good upbringing everything was great and then they do all sorts of um you know sleeve tattoos or body art or things like this because they want to see get the attention on them I think it's a misperception that I see a lot

Andrew Wilsonthat people think that that has something to do with uh trauma or abuse or something like that I think that that's a Hollywood angle I think to that extent it seems like it but why don't

Alienyou tell us alen normal childhood I just it was cool yeah I mean I have both of my parents and stuff like that are they still married no they're not but they

Alienbasically got a divorce later I was like 17 or something so it didn't really affect me um I don't know I like I said I just like the way that it looks I know

Alienlike as a kid the internet was like kind of like just starting and I was just always like Googling things or whatever and just seeing like what's out there

Alienand I remember just seeing like people with uh pierced tongues or a bunch of piercings split tongues rip cage like you know removed and stuff like that and I just thought it was really cool Andrew

Brian AtlasI do think that certainly some people who enter these subgroups like Punk or or whatever I certainly think some of these people could be drawn to it for it could be trauma but I I actually agree

Brian Atlaswith you that probably for some people it's just an aesthetic thing they find it like it could be the oh it's cool aesthetic or they want to well and it draws a lot of attention for attention too so I don't that's fine we have a

Andrew Wilsonchat here from Voss I got so lost several moments ago wa I'm so wait wait what oh come on you don't walk down the street and come on feed me some more

Andrew Wilsoncome on I'm so dead ass I don't like I wish nobody would ever look at all of my millions of piercings and and green hair come on Bones like let me

Alienexplain I'm we ears just because like I had a whole debate in my head about this right because for me it's like I want to get my ears pointed like surgically so I

Alienwas wearing the elf ears just to be my authentic self you know what I mean like it's just something that so your authentic ears are pointing underneath the fake I wish they're not all well which part of your authentic self is

Alienfrom merkwood do you engage in witchcraft she said she said yes oh you were in the bathroom that's merkwood merkwood can you that's like home of the

Andrew Wilsonelves and Lord of the Rings which part of your authentic self is the elf part all of me I guess all of yeah so I mean

Andrew Wilsonthis is what I mean is like it's it's really super hard for me to believe super hard to believe okay sure some body art some things like that cuz you really like it but the

Andrew Wilsonwhole thing has nothing at all to do with wanting attention no not at all then coming on the podcast was for huh cuz I'm cute cuz you want people to you

Andrew Wilsonwant people to see you guys let's not get bogged down I feel like maybe the the thing that I oh I'm sorry I didn't realize my bad what what go ahead go ahead I I'm sorry I was I was going to

Kendallsay that I thought the TR the reason I mentioned the trauma was because of the tree thing that's not for attention that seems mentally unstable seems like trolling just even like trolling nonsense you know what I mean I date

Alienthis tree that sometimes I walk over and kiss the bark so good ass like there's a tree at the end of my road I took a guy to go and see him and yeah like Voss I got so

Brian Atlaslost several moments ago I underst understood a bit on both sides earlier I think this podcast rocks don't have much spend too much but want to support you guys hey Voss really appreciate your patronage man thank you so much thank

Brian Atlasyou for tuning in and uh yeah thank you for the uh message man really appreciate it thank you now we have a few more notes here for you you also mentioned

Alienthat you hold on you made out with a racist yeah yeah so there was this guy um I met him through not my brother is

Alienbut kind of and yeah like I just hit him up one day I was like do you want to H out do you want to chill and we went out to eat and we went outside we kissed we

Alienpecked and then like later on I was wondering like if he wanted to do sexual things and he was like I don't think I can make myself do it because you're

Lindsay Grahamblack yeah yeah good times I I was expecting a a racial like accusation without actual racial basis I'm very me too yeah but

Alienwait that's sad is that is that racist or is it just a preference that he has I think preferences are stupid I think it's based in racism honestly how come it sounds like just a

AlienI mean he didn't say any racial s or any like personally if your wife was black right would you not like want to be with her anymore because she's black yeah but if you had a preference an aesthetic preference for somebody I mean I

Kendalltypically I don't have a preference yeah but you can understand that other people would it's like it's like it's like a guy saying I don't want to sleep with you because you actually have a penis and you're saying that you're a woman

Alienstory no that's the same thing and then someone's like well you're transphobic no then they're like body part you're saying someone can't have a preference to someone's like physical features when you're dating I mean like no I mean you totally can't IDE you want

Aliento be attracted to the person that's what I'm saying so I'm just saying like when it comes to skin color I just like that's a weird thing for me you know what I mean but if I mean yeah I'm I

Alienjust don't understand did I won't date a guy if he has like if I don't like his teeth right but like I'm not going to be like I'm not going to date you because you're white or some no I

Alienget it but I don't understand if you have that preference right why can't another person have a different preference and say I just don't you totally can but you're just racist I you call the you can't call the race card it

Andrew Wilsoncould just be a difference Lally told me because I was black like yeah but but I understand that it could be anything else like I don't know I totally understand that he said it's because

Alienyou're black but that doesn't make that a racist remark you're saying he liked everything about you except that the fact you're black he told me that he didn't like everything about me he told me that personally I was the most

Brian Atlasprettiest black girl that he've seen and that's it that com and so yeah me too wait so you guys just just to recap you guys were like hanging out individually yeah like and how far like you guys you

Aliendidn't make out or anything right no we just pecked so you did wait he kissed you but he didn't want to do more because you were I asked him if he wanted a kiss and he was like sure um and then eventually I asked him if he

Brian Atlaswanted to do more because I know it says you made out with a racist oh did I you said okay you packed but he didn't you're saying he didn't want to do more

Brian Atlasbecause he didn't want to do more because of your skin color yeah yeah he that's kind of weird like it's like why even get why even

Jadenlike I'll hang out with you romantically we can kiss but I is where I draw the line maybe that man is inherently racist I I'm not saying that having a preference not having a preference or having a preference but

Jadenmaybe that man is in like battling something inside where he thinks she's beautiful but he has these racist ideologies I've been but that doesn't mean like I'm not saying that you need to go like I wouldn't that be the same

Andrew Wilsonas going out with like um I don't know a girl goes out with a guy is way heavier than she normally would she goes to the date she has fun but then she's like nah rethink it right even yeah like I don't

Kendallwant to have sex with that yeah right isn't that kind of the same thing well skin a black girl isn't that but yeah no no no no no no no hang on hang on no I said I don't want to have sex with that to the to the guy that's like 300 lb but

Andrew Wilsonhe can change that I can't change my skin unless you want me you want to buy me yeah I I get it I get it okay so not fat he has a hunchback he has a hunch he's like the hunchback of Notre Dame

Andrew Wilsonand you I'll give it a shot and you go out with him and then halfway through the date you're like yeah we're not going to be doing anything you know what I mean but so I mean is that is that

Alienthem being I don't know a is that them being mean to you know disabled people or something I don't I don't know like I mean if you're asking me personally if I

Brian Atlaswould do that to someone then like no we have a lot of notes to get through um I have a few more with her if you guys have quick things you want to say to her but let's not get too bogged down cuz

AlienI'm just I want to get to everybody so you also said you hooked up with my friend's Tinder date oh yeah so me and my best friend we were living together and stuff like that she told me that she

Aliendidn't like white boys and typically that's the people that I talk to so she was like give me she just gave me their date basically and we've been talking for the past couple was that racist for

Alienher to say that she doesn't like white boys I mean you just yeah yeah I tell her all the time like why not like you know okay uh

Brian Atlasyou also I mean here's another okay you said you had a quote unquote boyfriend break up with you by saying he was a Nazi oh yeah so that was supposed to be

Alienmy first relationship I met this kid on the bus and I would just as one does yeah I was like like the city bus yeah I

Alienwas like 14 at the time and he was like at least 17 18 and he was y yeah he was uh graduating and stuff and I thought that we were dating because I asked him

Alienif we were dating he was like yeah and then he got annoyed that I was like texting him every other day and eventually like his way of breaking up with me was being like I'm a Nazi and yeah he was like I'm going to

Aliencome after your family and I was like dude you're Mexican like they're not even going to what accept you into what you know what I mean wait so he was a Mexican

Brian AtlasNazi that's what he said I don't think he was an actual Nazi he just said that to break up he used that as pretext to end the relationship cuz were you being like super clingy and and he was like how do I get this chck I was 14

Brian Atlasyears old you know what I mean it's kind of like the guys who like they're trying to figure out how to break up with their girlfriend so they'll just be like yeah I'm gay like uh and I feel like it makes the

Brian Atlasbreakup easier maybe I don't know um let's see you you also said that uh I think last thing for you you did you said you well back to the disagreement I disagree with majority of everything

Brian Atlasreligious views body count views um uh let's not get too focused on religious stuff but so are you do you consider yourself atheist though um no I consider

Brian Atlasmyself spiritual so you believe in the a God yeah okay um like wiah something like that no I I feel like my beliefs

Alienkind of align more with ancient hermetics you know the cabalian type of stuff of course yeah I get it yeah basically so the one thing you do disagree on that we can go

Brian Atlasinto you said you disagree with our view uh my view I don't the views on body count What specifically do you disagree with

Alienthere um like I agree with you because I know that you say that you don't really care or whatever cuz you already have a high one or that you do

Brian Atlascare I've I've never admitted okay so I've never I've never admitted my body count and I do have an I do have an issue with high body count but you also said that

Brian Atlasyou have a higher body count I just told you I've never said that you never gave like an actual like number but I've never even said it's high I've never even said it's

Aliena high body count I swear to God I've nope okay trust me whatever what I remember watching you definitely did say that no as somebody who sits on

Brian Atlasthis podcast weekend and week out I'm very precise in what I say and I've never revealed my body count or even said that it's up there or a high or any of that kind of language and I quote I

Lindsay Grahamcan't quote cuz I don't have the video and I quote I can't quote I quote but I I quote I promise this is what you said well I can't promise can't promise

Alienbut I promise that was I remember you saying that you know that you would have a rough time getting married or having a partner just because you have like never said that either but okay oh my God

Alienwhatever go ahead go ahead finish your thing finish your thing no I already said it I just I do blatantly remember okay but finish your quote finish your quote what did I what do you think I said what do I think you said you said

Alienthat basically because of your body count or whatever that you don't think that you'll be able to get married or find a I don't know high value woman or whatever I don't know what I'm saying but was it did I say this

Brian Atlasrecently it was it was did I say it recently it was a while ago how long ago I don't know don't ask because I have I have a team here with me who not only just what I can tell you but they can

Brian Atlasalso you know they probably don't memorize everything I say but they probably have a sense of whether I've ever said that and I've never said that I can tell you that you said it just

Brian Atlastell you if you can find I will pay you $100,000 hold on let me wait hold on let me $100 a lot no I'll pay you I'll pay you

Brian Atlas$11,000 if you can find a clip of me verbatim verbatim saying what you just said I have never said that but I'll pay you $1,000 can you guys Shake on that right now Shake on that would you like

Brian Atlasto shake on that I I don't I will it's on record legally it's on record sh does that mean that I have to give you a th000 you don't even have to pay me I just know you can I'll pay you a th000

Brian Atlasif you can find it and I'll even say this is not only am I saying this in Legally this will be a legally binding statement there you go I legally bind

Alienmyself to paying you $1,000 it up or something find actually huh seal it like seal the deal I've already I've already said I legally bind myself to pay you I'm not sure I'm going to let him seal

Brian Atlasthe deal with somebody who follows at Crowley right you don't want to seal any deals with a follower of Crowley yeah I'm good I'm I'm I'm too white to dab

Brian Atlasanyway so yeah no no ceiling deals let's see here okay let's get into who do we have we're going to go to Madeline madlin mine mlin all right you

Brian Atlassaid now this is I think this is an interesting one your first boyfriend uh do you want to tell us the story there of your first boyfriend I

Madelinemean I can yeah yeah do it it's just silly okay so my firsty boyfriend in high school was he was a little older than me he was

Madelinelike 17 we met at a party I sadly lost my virginity to him and you know just for some context back then I was not the best version of myself you know I wasn't doing things that were good for me I

Madelinedidn't have a great relationship with Christ even so that wasn't you know dictating my life but um yeah lost my virginity to him at a party and we

Madelinestarted dating after that it was not a good Rel relationship needless to say he was a fighter um I found out after he

Madelinesaid I don't know if this is true but he claimed that he had killed multiple people that was wait a 17y oldy old wait was he was he gang was he in a g he was

Madelinein a gang I mean I lived in Ohio if that says rough gangs out there in Ohio I don't know in certain parts but at the same time he could have been lying I

Madelinedefinitely think that he could have been lying um but I know that he would get into fights a lot of the time and he would go red he would say blackout you

Madelineyou saw him fight people I never saw it but I didn't spend too much time did you ever seen with a black eye or his knuckles all up yeah all right but I don't know how it actually played

Brian Atlasout cuz I was he killed how many people did he say he killed he never told me the number he said multiple though he said multiple 17-year-old I know I mean it's if he's in a gang like it's possible but

Brian Atlaslike what I I don't know it's a bit dubious but okay so and then what happened with your brother with him oh so my oldest

Madelinebrother basically the guy was threatening to fight my brother and so he pulled up to fight my brother and my brother ran out with a machete to scare

Brian Atlashim away and that was the last time I ever saw him okay and you were how old again when you met him 15 and you said you met him at a party yeah um you met him at a party and you were a virgin

Brian Atlascorrect yeah and then that so hold on let's let's do a bit of a walk through here so from meeting him at the party he was uh he was 17 you were 15 meeting him at the party you're a virgin how quickly

Brian Atlasfrom meeting him to having carnal knowledge sexual intercourse what was the duration of time I can't even say but I remember were you drunk

MadelineI wasn't drunk but I know that we were talking for a really long time it was definitely towards the end of the night I don't have I don't have the specifics can you your mic down just a little bit

Madelinewhen you got to the party was there still Sun out yeah yeah okay and then the sun was down I don't see why this matters so much well I'm just asking a

Brian Atlasquestion so okay so you met him you're talking for a while um I mean how what duration what period of time elapsed from your first meet him to you guys

Brian Atlaswere having sex I already answered that basically I don't have the time frame and well you I mean you were sober this I most people remember their first time

Brian Atlasyes but it was years ago so much has happened in that time yeah but I mean I feel like most people remember she wasn't her best version of well well what does that have to do with your

Brian Atlasmemory um can can you give us an estimate 1 Hour 2 hours 3 hours if you had to guess do that I don't I'm not going to answer that just because I feel

Brian Atlaslike it doesn't matter so much well I'm I mean it's just a dating related question it is interesting the story of how one loses their virginity to their first boyfriend I would say that yeah in

Brian Atlasany case you did okay so you did say that night you met him at the party you guys had sex at at the party mhm okay so we'll just can we say anywhere from 1 to

Brian Atlas3 hours sure yeah okay and were you question like was he just super attractive or were you kind of like looking to lose your virginity honestly yeah I felt pressured

Madelineinto losing my virginity by friends um yeah and Society not just female friends but you know it was pushed on I had for

Madelinea long time like guys that would try to have me you know send photos of myself it was just definitely pushed on me and

Madelinedue to trauma that I endured at a young age I also you know was looking for validation and part of me did see him as an attractive man it's not that he just wasn't attractive and I was just trying

Madelineto lose my virginity it was more so it just was a happen stance it decided to happen at that point in time I don't think that it's a good representation of

Brian Atlaswho I am and I wouldn't if I could go back and change it I 100% would yeah and I mean I certainly agree like I've heard from a lot of women on the show and some even message me and they say that like

Brian Atlasyou said they're pressured by Society uh I've also heard a lot of uh their female friend group will pressure them to lose their virginity and these are girls who

Brian Atlasare in in high school and um part of the component that I think is happening there is they themselves have lost their virginity and they almost want to sort of and perhaps they almost regret it to

Brian Atlassome degree and they want to justify it by encouraging their their friend group their social group to also do it so they feel like perhaps less guilt butth it's certainly the case that Society

Brian Atlaspressures you uh friend groups pressure you especially kind of the degeneracy that is being pushed uh but so uh I do have one question I know you guys are in a relationship in the event that you

Brian Atlasknow you know knock on wood I'm not hoping for anything but in the event you guys break up you you did say you're bisexual right yes like you would date

Brian Atlasmen you would date women yes okay now and it seemed like maybe you were a bit more Avers to sex than you like you're a bit more versed to sex whereas you're a

Madelinebit more open to it but you you're kind of fine with the not having sex thing yeah I mean from the relationships that I used to be in I was kind of forced into

Madelinethinking that you had to have sex all the time for the relationship to even be okay sometimes I was forced into it and thought that it was just okay um so in my mind I was trained to think that it

Madelinewas something I needed to do but it's not something I like to do anymore so after realizing that I don't have to I'm 100% okay with not I'm glad that I don't have to have sex all the time do you

Brian Atlasfeel like it's a control thing too like now you get to say I'm not doing this anymore yeah I mean yeah all right so in the event if you two were to break up

Brian Atlasand you were to date another woman another man um would you do you see yourself being inclined to have sex in that relationship perhaps when you're it sounds like you'd want to wait till

Brian Atlasmarriage if you were in a new relationship correct yeah and you would have sex in that new relationship under if you're marriage after marriage okay

Brian Atlasso you'd wait hypothetical okay okay that yeah assuming you know who knows what goes on with this relationship but uh I feel like for a lot of men that might

Brian Atlasbe a or even perhaps even women who are inclined to want to be I suppose you do you would have to find somebody who shares your values in terms of wanting to wait until marriage

Brian Atlasbut even then I do feel like at least from the guy's perspective on this from my perspective on this it would feel a little bit like a raw deal like if you're you know if I if there was a girl who say she had I'm not saying this is

Brian Atlasyour body count she had the body count of plus 10 she's making you wait for marriage lost her virginity to a man at a party within hours um I feel like that's a raw deal

Madelinefor the guy if he doesn't want to wait till marriage and if he doesn't understand what I went through and that I'm a different person then so be it I mean you're not meant to be with me and

Kendallthat's just that I'll say my husband was not a virgin on our wedding night um and to me I mean he loved and respected me enough I think it's rare but that he was like all right we'll like we'll wait um

Kendalland I think it I think if you do love and respect someone enough it kind of changes and you're like well I think it's worth the wait MH yeah so got I asked this

Andrew Wilsonum earlier when we were talking what's what do you think is holding you guys back from getting

Madelinemarried um it's hard to say but I mean who proposes like who's the woman we've actually talked about this and if

Madelineif we would we'd probably both end up doing it at the same time like not even realizing it but probably both end up proposing well it's strange to me because it seems like if it's an if it's an asexual

Andrew Wilsonthing um and you think it's okay that it's you know canonically fine what's the actual hold up like I don't I don't understand that I mean you know the

MadelineBible says certain things and people say certain things and at the end of the day I'm I'm not going to get married until I've been with someone for many years I mean we've been together for three years

Madelinebut in the end I'd like to wait more time and you know I don't think it's something we have to do right now either we have so many other priorities we have

Madelineso many different things that we need to focus on and like I mean we do want to be um co-parent parents and foster

Madelinechildren in the years ahead so I feel like we should focus on more things rather than just you know getting married and putting it on paper I mean

Andrew Wilsonwe have a great relationship but doesn't it only take like 15 minutes you just go down to the courthouse done okay that doesn't matter I feel like it goes so much deeper than that and

Madelinelike I mean it just sounds to me like you don't want to get married honestly I would love to get married married to her but at the end of the day we don't know what God truly wants from us and I'd

Madelinelike to give him more time to you know speak through us or make us feel convicted if we aren't meant to be together I mean it's just my preference I feel

Jadenlike okay I kind of want to hear your take on it now um you know I always have thought that

Jadenmarriage um might not be for me but I haven't thought too much about marriage honestly um I like to like when

JadenI'm my free time I just you know I talk about like talk to God or I write my music and that's really what I like to do I enjoy doing that I'm not sitting there thinking about like love and

Jadenmarriage I really want to take on foster kids and share the love that I do have with them because I feel like there's a lot of kids out there that don't have support and I know that I can give that to

TTS/Donation Voicethem and that's really what I spend my focus on I think more about kids than I do about marriage Christ his Lord donated $200 if you believe all scripture is

TTS/Donation Voicebreathed of God then he has already spoken against you God gave them over to degrading passions for the women exchanged natural relations for that which is

Lindsay Grahamunnatural what do you guys what is your response what is your response to that do you want to go do you have a response for

Jadenthat I would say I understand what they're saying mhm

Jadenand the more that I read the Bible That's What like pushes me away from thinking about marriage or doing

Jadenthat um I love to have a partner parip with Maddie uh I think we do a lot of great things together like help the homeless and you know I I'm a we're me

Jadenmentors to foster children and so there's not really anyone else I've met that has the ideals that I have about the world and how to nurture and

Jadenhelp people and we've created a really nice Union at home and so yeah like I would be down personally to

Kendallbe n together yeah I'm trying to decide what's the difference between again how we started it the two of you and Lindsay and I um obvious besties and not lesbian

Kendalllovers not lesbian lovers make that very clear um we we live in completely different states but I will say we do sleep together when we're on traveling because we are so poor from our company

Kendallum that we we do share a hotel room um however we are not in any way sexually intimate or sexually attracted to one another and I think it would it would be really beautiful to see the two of you take on that same kind of relationship

Jadenand I think that's what God would like love to see from you would do you feel like us together could raise kids biblically that's not the way God

Lindsay Grahamdesigned it but what about kids that don't have homes I think I think it's a great idea for people to Foster and adopt children especially with the abortion pandemic that's going around people need to adopt babies instead of

Lindsay Grahamkill them but the you you're talking biblically right and so your guys's struggle is how do we maintain this

Lindsay Grahambeautiful relationship that we have and and keep it biblical and that person just kind of showed you one Bible verse that says well this is kind of what goes against that so then the question would

Lindsay Grahambe if the Bible also says that a family is built on husband and a wife how would you feel then going okay well we've decided we're doing this even though it technically goes against the Bible and

Lindsay Grahambiblical standards I feel like I shouldn't go search for a man I I'm not saying you should go search for a man either I think that God brings people into people's lives at certain times and I actually believe that you guys are 100% meant to be together empowering

Lindsay Grahameach other right now probably not in a relationship but as friends right you've both been through a lot but I'm just saying biblically no one is saying now go find a man you have to be married

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