FERAL GIRL ATTACKS ANDREW?! Gets KICKED OUT! HATER Marxist Feminist STORMS OUT?! | Dating Talk #234

Date: 2025-03-17

Duration: 8h 12m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

KKenzie (Montana)>

AAndrea (UC Merced)>

AAshley (Softball)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Jen Stone(guest)

SPEAKER_04Kenzie (Montana)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Tia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ashley (Softball)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Priscilla(guest)

SPEAKER_13Andrea (UC Merced)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sarah (DNP)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

ControversyKenzie opens by calling Andrew a rapist based on marital consent comments

ControversyPriscilla drops F-slur and cracker, gets in Andrew's face. KICKED OFF.

OtherKenzie walks out mid-show

Key MomentAshley: never had boyfriend, never been on date, 600+ hidden Hinge matches

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Jen Stone, Kenzie, Andrea, Priscilla, Tia, Sarah (DNP), Ashley (softball).

Kenzie Calls Andrew Rapist

Based on marital consent comments. Heated debate on consent reversibility.

Priscilla Kicked Off

Drops anti-gay F-slur and cracker on stream. Physical confrontation with Andrew. Kicked off.

Kenzie Walkout

Walked out mid-show after feeling shut down.

Ashley Never Had Boyfriend

Never had boyfriend, never been on date, 600+ hidden Hinge matches.

IQ Test on Stream

Jen attempts IQ test while slightly drunk. Gets sample question wrong.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonthis the the sexual identity is just based on or the the idea of straight or gay is just based on what you feel like not the biological act but they are

Andrea (UC Merced)taking like um medication you know like estrogen and stuff yeah you know to look like to appear as a woman as well yeah but they're but they're not in fact a

Andrea (UC Merced)woman right but if they have the surgery you know then they're still just men who've cut off their penises right but it's turned into like they have to um use like the dilators you know to what

Andrew Wilsonif they did it on their vagina what if they did it what on their arm like they just they made the Neo vagina on their arm instead of where they're like where their genitals were and that's what you use like why would it why is the

Andrew Wilsonposition of where the vagina is the important part wait they don't do that though that's but if they did well that's this is a completely different question um I don't see how it's different like what you're saying I'll

Andrew Wilsonexplain cuz here's what you're saying to me you're like if the if a dude cuts off his penis and then dresses like a woman and then takes hormones to have the um appearance to everybody of being woman

Andrew Wilsonhang on of being a woman right uhuh then why would it matter if their vagina was on their arm instead of like in this region why is it a region important why is that specifically important I don't

Andrew Wilsonget it what it's like that doesn't make any sense why doesn't it make sense it would be more useful cuz you could put you can put a wound that you have to dilate any place on the body you don't have to put it there they're us they're dilating their vagina to you know like

Andrew Wilsonstretch it to well they're dilating an open wound um it's literally an open wound that's what it is it's not an open wound cuz it'll heal doesn't heal close it in fact that's why they're dilating

Andrew Wilsonit so it never heals it's like gauges in the ear have you ever seen people who have giant holes in their ear yeah they're dilating them why so that they don't so that they don't I've seen them when they take it

Andrea (UC Merced)out it's like just there already they don't close after no after a while you can stretch them out so wide they don't ever close up well yeah you have to stretch it oh I don't know well it's the same thing with that it's the same exact

Andrea (UC Merced)concept do they have to dilate it I don't know if they have to dilate them for the rest of their lives some of them do yeah some yeah how I didn't know that it's your body's trying to heal so it's

Andrea (UC Merced)trying to close them I don't think it's often but I pretty sure would I wouldn't consider them you well if uh I wouldn't

Andrea (UC Merced)consider them like a guy gay still if he went if he was with a transgender woman I wouldn't consider him gay I would consider him straight okay do they need to have the

Andrea (UC Merced)bottom surgery um or can a guy go home and suck his girlfriend's dick and he's straight I honestly like do I was thinking about that too like if he still

Andrea (UC Merced)had his genitals but you know literally look like was a was still a woman but they still have their genitals I honestly like I don't know

Andrea (UC Merced)like I don't know maybe if they do acts you know like where he's like sucking her dick or something does that even sound

Andrew Wilsoncorrect he's sucking her like that does that even sound right or doesn't that sound a little bit like oh there's a another group of guys who do that called G

Andrea (UC Merced)honestly like to me I'm not I'm not a person to be like oh my God you have a dick like you're you're a male like if a guy wants to transition he dresses like

Andrea (UC Merced)a girl looks like well they look like a girl dressed like a girl but they have like male genitals like I'll still call them you know she if they want to be called she her I'll still call them that

Andrew Wilsonlike it it doesn't bug me I get that you will use the pronouns that they want cuz you don't want to be rude right um yeah I just does that mean in your brain though you actually think in fact that

Andrew Wilsonthis is a man um or this is a woman no because they don't they don't appear as a man so I wouldn't consider what about the ones who are really trying to appear

Andrea (UC Merced)as the thing uhhuh but you can tell um well that's probably because they took their medicine like way too late in life sure um is that still a girl honestly if

Andrea (UC Merced)they're dressing up like a girl and they like really want to be a girl like I'll say they're a girl so then your position basically is this uhhuh that if a dude puts on a wig and has a beard right and

Andrea (UC Merced)then has sex with another dude who puts on a wig and has a beard they're not gay well well I don't know are they like like they definitely want they

Andrew Wilsondefinitely want to be women they definitely want to be women they want to be one they definitely want to but they in fact are not they definitely do want to though mhm but like like they still

Andrew Wilsonare growing out well I mean I guess well they can't help it they can't they want to not but they can't help but grow the beard like they can't help it they want to not like just there's some women out there same thing they don't want facial

Andrea (UC Merced)hair but they can't like they can only do so much about it yeah you see women with facial hair too so you you would consider them you're not going to be like you're a man cuz you have facial hair uh no I would just be like uh well

Andrew Wilsonif you have a penis you're a man because I'm not insane but when I'm looking at the idea from you you're basically just telling me

Andrew Wilsonthat if two guys put on wigs and had beards and went at it that's not gay because they both want to be women and that's a super weird position

Andrew Wilsonto me cuz then couldn't she switch it up like they could be doing that and then go oh you know what I don't feel like a woman anymore and then it's back to being gay get like I don't I don't even

Brian Atlasget that it's never made any sense to me I guess before we let the RO come in um do you think it's do you think it's acceptable for a man to refuse to date a transgender person because they are

Brian Atlastrans which you you said you disagree with that you think it's not acceptable wait okay so a man I here's the here I'll make it super simple I would not

Andrea (UC Merced)want to date a trans person okay is that wrong do I age that um that's your preference is it wrong though um I can't I can't say if it's wrong or right it's

Andrea (UC Merced)literally your preference like it's okay um there's literally no right or wrong to a

Andrew Wilsonpreference what if okay what if it's the case that Brian wanted to date trans

Andrew Wilsonpeople but didn't because he thinks it's because he just thinks it's gross anyway he kind of wants to but he doesn't right and he has like let's say it's religion

Andrew Wilsonhe's like nope I'm going to appeal to my religion and that's his preference is that wrong honestly like

Andrea (UC Merced)um this is getting Brian back for the [ __ ] Pineapple Pizza second I don't know I can't I literally can't tell you if it's like right or wrong because it's just a preference okay that's consistent

Andrea (UC Merced)like yeah so if you don't want to you don't have to but like uh I don't know if what I what I think like I don't know if you're attracted to that person like just go for it you know sure um here I'm

Andrew Wilsongoing to blast through some of the other things here Andrea but if you don't one followup very quickly but what if a transperson went to Brian and said I'd

Andrew Wilsonlike to date you and Brian went as is his preference to go oh God gross yuck is that okay too no that reaction is not

Brian Atlasokay well then I guess it's not that re the reaction is not okay all right uh men so here's the statement men are not insecure for caring about a woman's body count do you agree or disagree you

Tiashould probably scoot into the table so we they are not insecure okay so it's fine for men to care about the one's body count yeah men are insecure about men are insecure okay what about you is

Brian Atlasit fine for a man to care about body count are they insecure if they do oh no you you said wait oh it's so hard um so the statement men are not insecure for caring about the woman's body count you

Tiadisagree with that so that would imply that men are insecure for caring about the woman's body count what do you mean like like just curious or like they G they gonna be like they're going to make judgments about you based on the body the girl has a

Andrew Wilsonbody count of 10 he doesn't want to dat her because of Ro counts 10 oh I do think he's insecure okay what about you it is not insecure what about you not insecure okay so going around the table I'm just going to just real quick going

Andrew Wilsonto point out that the likelihood that the two women here with the low pop probably the lowest body count are the ones who think that it's not insecure I'm just going to point that out just

Andrea (UC Merced)going to point that out what's your body count I'm not saying that I can't say didn't you say it last time I said I'm not going to disclose that that's too personal oh but body count okay it doesn't matter uh what's

Brian Atlasyour body count Jen what's your body count lower than most of people on the show but I'm not going to give a number do you want to do a range like 5 to 10 10 to

Andrea (UC Merced)20 10 and 20 okay range no I can't do that I can't do that this is too public

Andrea (UC Merced)range 5 to 10 zero one um no but I have seen men where they say oh my God if a girl has four bodies

Brian Atlasthat's too much but they have like 30 bodies it's like what why do you care she has four bodies and then uh Andrea you said that women uh so here's the statement women have equal rights to men

Brian Atlasin the USA to which you disagree so you think women don't have equal rights to men you women don't have equal rights no

Andrea (UC Merced)because men get paid more than we do so wait so you agree that women don't have equal rights oh well yeah rights but

Andrea (UC Merced)like oh I was I was thinking of like other things women I mean men are treated a little bit better than women in the US but okay so women have equal rights to men in the USA you disagree uh

Andrea (UC Merced)what rights do men have that women don't oh I I I misunderstood that question no I think you unod it um well what I was just what I was thinking when

Andrea (UC Merced)I read that was just like you know the pay the wage there's a difference between us okay are women oppressed in the United [Music]

Andrea (UC Merced)States I don't know a little bit I don't know just like I don't know things like maternity leave and stuff like a lot of a lot of jobs W higher like pregnant women you know because they're going to

Andrea (UC Merced)be on maternity leave they don't want to pay a woman who's going to leave and it's just like you know things like that well that's illegal and they could sue for that I think I I saw something like

Brian AtlasTrump was going to start making that legal again mhm okay um here I'm going to let a couple of roast come through uh

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Brian Atlasyou're pushing that's really the reason those burritos are going to kill you bro put down look I'll never stop guacamole but um that is the actual reason for why

Brian AtlasI won't take a bullet because I just physically can't I mean I'm a larger Target so that could be a pro you know what I mean like I take out more space

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Jen Stonewould say Clinton but second third Trump I would I mean second or third um term for Trump I would say Trump there's no there's no second or third term I me

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Tiauh I sent a just a private chat if you can check that uh um I don't know I'm not educated enough to say but I feel like Trump the most disrespectful

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Brian Atlassupport the show uh let's do a couple more things here from can I answer the question though that they asked what I'm tweaking on CU I think that's important yes what you said you in addition to having like half a glass of champagne

Brian Atlasyou said no I had several glasses of champagne and they're pretty big no I not really not really there three and there no it wasn't no no no it was poor well I don't know can I answer the

Jen Stonequestion light ones there there's heart medication I'm on immunosuppressant which is uh basically um same medication they give to cancer patient are you still

Jen Stonedrunk um yeah not as much no okay so sorry go ahead continue um yeah it it's it's a um the same medication they give to it's chemotherapy the same medication they give to cancer patients and nerve

Jen Stoneblockers and stuff and when you combine them all together it can affect how easily you get drunk do are you recommended against drinking yeah which is why I don't do it in most cases but

Jen Stoneeven my doctors are like if you do it every now and every now and then and you don't overp partake in that it's fine but if you make like a a habit of it then it's pretty harmful to your body so

Jen Stonewhen's the last time you drank besides tonight like two months ago playing D and D with my family

Jen Stoneyes are any of your the medicines you take are they psychoactive no they just um a bunch of medications have a tendency to make you more buzz

Brian Atlaswhen you drink yeah I'm sure I don't know I don't know the specific contraindication the medic I don't know what the medications you are are taking I don't know the Contra indications are

Jen Stone[Music] um but to be fair you like you maybe had like this much total yeah that's a lot and that's what I'm saying is when you

Jen Stoneadd my medications which several of the bottles you know it shows that you are more inclined to get buzz on them then yeah I I definitely get buzzed really

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Brian Atlaswomen a true master of speechcraft uh let's play the bow video Let's play the bow video so this is a video I took my ex-girlfriend uh and this is kind of the expectation I have for all my future relationships can you scoot the

Brian Atlasmicrophone the edge of the table please for the dozenth time you yeah I know it's it's hard to follow in instructions you've been alive

Brian Atlasfor 38 years or whatever 37 you just can't follow instructions um it's not that hard guys damn bro not making that much of a difference just saying yeah

Jen Stoneokay hold on hold on hold on it's not making that much of a difference rules are in place whether you like them or not why don't you just follow the rules follow not on purpose I don't think I should be called out for

Jen Stonesomething that's not making a difference well hold on I'm getting like I move around a lot and like yeah yeah but we told you not to move the microphones to I don't it's don't care whether you're automatic movement I'm It's s i ha

Brian Atlaspeople I I it really bothers me when people say I didn't intend to do something that bothers you annoys you or hurts you in some way that that's frustrating to me I've always apologized

Brian Atlasyeah but just fix it I don't want to like these girls you date that constantly do like stupid [ __ ] and then while I said sorry how about you just stop doing the thing that's annoying

Jen Stonewell as someone who claims they might be autistic sometimes people have automatic motions that they're not aware of correct I I am neurot I'm not neurotypical I have automatic things

Jen Stonethat I do that I'm not aware of socially and movements I I like move around a lot it's it's pretty like but you're able to move it back is the thing so why not like if you are yeah but I'm just I'm

Jen Stonenot aware of it cuz I'm like this is I TW like I move this is just how I am am it's not I I've apologized every time you have agency and control over

Brian Atlasyourself like if I told you I've apologized I don't mean to I I'll try to work on it but I've also I told you it's the end of the show it's the end of the show what is there to work on you I've had to tell you to move your microphone

Jen Stonelike a dozen times I never noticed I moved it I'm I'm buzzed I I just never noticed I Did It On the Alcohol okay but it's true I wouldn't do it on purpose I

Jen Stoneit's just automatic things that I don't like I'm been moving my my leg this entire time no yeah I I said I'm sorry I I took accountability I I I was wrong

Brian AtlasI'm not saying I didn't do something wrong love to handwave away ways in which they're wrong by saying I didn't mean to how often is it the case that

Brian Atlaslike how often is it the case that somebody's intention is just in completely irrelevant I don't care what your intention is or is not true I I've apologized every single time and I gave

Jen Stoneyou the reason that I have not been aware I'm first time being on air and have all these uh nervous movements because like this is something I'm new

Jen Stoneto so I'm not always worried about what I'm doing I'm worried about like this is new it's it's anxious like it's I like yeah I I'm wrong I'm I'm going to try

Brian Atlasnot to do it it's the end of the show but I'll try to focus on my mic and not the conversation for now on there we go but it's I I I don't understand it's so simple we we instruct just leave the

Brian Atlasmicrophone where it is that's it we just say hey don't move the microphone leave it where it's at I realize I realize it seems crazy I just haven't realized I did it but do you do this in

Brian Atlasrelationships where like a uh the person you're dating says hey I don't like it when you do this whether it's minor or major and then you continue to do it and then all of a sudden something that's

Brian Atlasvery minor you're like it's not just you did something bad or you did something wrong it now becomes now you're crossing a specific boundary that I laid out of like hey please don't do this oh I'm

Jen Stonesorry I didn't intend to let me let me repeat this mistake that bothers you dozens and dozens of times no I I don't do that this I've never been live in

Jen Stonethis situation and I think it makes me more anxious and more like more a not aware of my movements all right that's it that's it

Jen Stoneyeah it's moving a mic I I'm I'm twitching and stuff CU it's an it's an anxiety thing um I've never done this on

Brian Atlaslive you know podcast so all right it's kind of a [ __ ] babysitter um babysitting because of a mic okay I've been babysitting multiple people on

Brian Atlasthe panel it's not just you it was that girl who [ __ ] did a rage quit it was Kenzie who was being being obnoxious I've been babysitting all night and it's [ __ ] frustrating um women have equal rights to men in the USA you disagree

Jen Stonewhy is that it's not that serious uh my only um argument is men being a little be being

Jen Stoneable to go on the beach topless and not men but women can have like this part of their breast out but not the nipple is there anything besides that oh not really those are by the way those are

Jen Stonelocal ordinances so well I mean it's not it's usually State yeah local but it it's like local IAL say Federal First a state I live in Texas well okay so if

Andrew Wilsonyou're talking about State states rights then there's all sorts of states rights then that I can appeal to like uh okay men can be called into militia service and women can't at the state level and

Andrew Wilsonequal and there States where there's abortion which is available to women uh while there's a militia call right so well you they asked the question and that was my answer of the the titties Fe

Brian Atlasthe titties that's it sure um you the statement as is as follows women are not oppressed in the USA you disagree why is that titties same

Jen Stonething and I'd say abortion laws are kind of crazy in Texas I would say so I mean women not being able to be bare breasted well they call it a sex organ um that a

Jen Stonepression I don't know if that's a I think it is because it's social uh stigma um it's not based off of women can go topless in many beaches what do you mean well I mean not in the United

Brian AtlasStates it's not a federal thing it's like a um is there anything else besides the okay so that's it and then well you were going to say abortion right yeah it's in Texas is a little crazy so just

Andrew Wilsonso you know there's there's many many states where men can't go topless either oh where yeah where where where well they're they're local ordinances so it's not the state itself is not restricting

Andrew Wilsonfrom the local ordinance of saying you can't have a shirtt in or you you know you can't take your shirt off in this area but there's tons and tons of places in the United States where men are restricted from taking their shirts off

Brian Atlasin like beaches or like just public places like other I I don't know specifically uh going to Sarah Sarah you the statement is as follows possible to be racist towards white people you

Sarah (DNP)disagree why is that I would say because racism is systemic and so I do believe you can be prejudiced towards white people or other

Sarah (DNP)people who have not had the systemic racism um but I believe using that specific word implies a systemic issue

Sarah (DNP)well so you define racism as what I mean it is it is Prejudice for sure but how do you define racism um racism is

Sarah (DNP)a um it's a systemic oppression of a certain um ethnicity of people throughout history I think that's probably have you heard

Brian Atlasthis one racism equals Prejudice plus power I have heard that before is that what you adhere to that definition of racism I think so yeah okay so like a black person could not be racist towards

Sarah (DNP)a white person I think they can be Prejudice but not racist I would well I guess I if you use that definition then

Sarah (DNP)possibly but I was still looking at it from the systemic issue of it of slavery and all of that I see by that definition you could be racist towards Indian

Brian Atlaspeople Native Americans Yeah by that definition and you would agree with that can you scoot your mic that way this way to your right I

Andrew Wilsonguess you would agree with that that like blacks could be uh racist towards naan Americans by

Sarah (DNP)that that's a hard question I haven't thought about that I haven't thought about that I know that there I know that Indians or Native Americans have H have been

Sarah (DNP)oppressed um systemically systemically I don't think it was black people who were oppressing them

Andrew Wilsonsystemically well I mean I don't oppress black people you right I I'm not calling right so there's systems that do that right yes yeah so as long as black

Andrew Wilsonpeople have been part of the participating system than they have been participating in the system of Oppression towards Native Americans right who have their own Sovereign land Sovereign

Sarah (DNP)everything perhaps I I that one's something I would have to do a little bit more research on to really have a good solid opinion can Asians be racist

Sarah (DNP)towards black people I believe so can black people be racist towards Asians I believe that I believe they can be pre

Andrew Wilsontowards them okay what about Hispanics I think Prejudice okay so the only group that you can think of that blacks could be racist towards would be Native Americans because of the systemic

Andrew Wilsonoppression towards that single group well like I said I would have to just do a little bit more research to have a better opinion on that not saying they are I'm just asking if that's in the realm of possibility possibly okay so

Andrew Wilsonbut that's the only group possibly that that's even equatable to

Brian Atlaspossibly okay uh and then you also on this you think it's uh you disagree that it's possible to be racist towards white people um I

Tiadisagree yeah coming from into the mic please oh coming from a perspective of a person who has had to deal with racism my entire life the way that they deal

Tiawith it compared to with it as in racism it's more of a joking matter or a retaliation rather than to people going out of their way to be

Tiaracist towards black people rather than white people are usually called those slurs in retaliation to them being racist MH okay uh conceivably though could there be a

Brian Atlasscenario where a black person could be racist towards a white person Prejudice here I'll give my example that I tend to give on this one then we're going to move it on to the

Brian Atlasnext thing uh let's see here um how do I guess how do I want to frame this um okay Barack

Brian AtlasObama he refuses to hire a white janitor because the janitor is white is that racism I think that's a prejudice against white

Brian Atlaspeople but is there has that happened systemically or I mean it could it could be on that smaller scale or it could be like some like let's say he passed uh

Brian Atlaslike he did an executive order saying uh white people have uh white people have uh less of a vote than black people is there a so their vote is worth

Sarah (DNP)like two-thirds that of a black person's vote is there a history of of white people um of black people enslaving

Sarah (DNP)white people because I believe that would make it racism not in the United States but in other regions of the world yes I don't know about those other regions of the world but since we are

Brian Atlastalking about I mean there's what that was that wasn't black people no but I'm saying white people were enslaved yes yeah I didn't mean black yeah more precise yeah I was asking if if white if

Brian Atlasblack people ever enslaved white people systemically and that isn't the case and so but I'm I'm I'm confused here because if racism equals Prejudice plus power so Barack

Brian AtlasObama the president United States the most powerful country in the world the he has systemic power over the executive branch of the government which is a system so systemically this would meet

Brian Atlaslike that would meet your definition of racism Prejudice plus power equals racism he has power unless is your assertion that Barack Obama when he was president didn't have power no I believe he did have power but I also did perhaps

Sarah (DNP)the most powerful person in the world and then he did something that was Prejudice you would have to concede that that would be racist then so I actually didn't give that definition but if that was the definition of racism then I

Brian Atlaswould have to concede and say yes okay so you're saying there has to be a historical component of systemic black Prejudice towards white people I

Sarah (DNP)systemic level so it has to be historical too I I believe like if we're going to use the word racism then I do believe so but I do believe you can have a prejudice towards people of A

Brian Atlasdifferent race of a different culture of you know disabilities I do believe you can be prejudiced yeah I just reject her definition even granting this super charitable one of racism equals

Brian AtlasPrejudice plus power I'm in the example I provided it meets that now you want to like throw on oh but there has to be a

Sarah (DNP)historical component too so what I mean do you believe that I mean that the same um oppression that black people have had

Sarah (DNP)throughout history is the same of the same as that that scenario that you just gave where Obama didn't hire the janitor because he was white oh I didn't say that at all I also don't think it's a

Andrew Wilsonrational definition I understand what you're saying to Steelman it it's just that the there's been systemic meaning the powers at be government P Powers government forces have historically

Andrew Wilsonoppressed black people there's no no doubt that that is the case um leading into modernity and because that history is there plus the systemic oppression

Andrew Wilsonplus systemic oppression now right racism has to be geared towards the system towards a specific group right so

Sarah (DNP)do you not believe that the word racism is systemic or no no well I'm willing to Grant it I just want to make sure that I got that I'm correct about how you see it I'm I'm I'm trying to follow yeah so

Andrew Wilsonthe system oppresses right and historically the system has oppressed and those are the necessary preconditions for racism otherwise it's Prejudice I

Andrew Wilsonbelieve so okay got it so then if that's the case the individual can't do very much about systemic oppression or and the individual can't do much about being systemically oppressed like you the individual can't

Andrew Wilsondo very much about being systemically oppressed and I the individual can't do much about systemic system you being oppressed right correct so then I don't understand that it sounds to me like you

Andrew Wilsoncan you can make the argument that systems can be racist but at the individual level if I can't participate in the system of Oppression nor can you participate in the system of being

Andrew Wilsonoppressed why is it that my Prejudice towards you or your Prejudice towards me couldn't be racist or you could only be Prejudice towards me the individual um I mean we can equally be

Sarah (DNP)prejudice I do believe that but I believe that I mean I do believe that semantics matter and I believe that yes and so when we use the word racism that

Andrew Wilsonthat has a definition so but you're applying it to a system not individuals right yeah so if an individual so like if I called a black person the n-word or a black person called me the c-word

Andrew Wilsonright let's say two two racial categories you may not consider those equivalent insults right but you'd have to consider them both to be racial slurs right my argument to you for systemic

Andrew Wilsonracism would just be this the system's not doing that there's no system there which is being applied to force you to call me this nor me call you that so that's the case that I'm not

Andrew Wilsona part of a system of Oppression nor are you a part of being um oppressed by me in a system how's that not you being either prejudiced towards me or or just

Sarah (DNP)me being prejudiced towards you in other words why why isn't just the individual if they say the n-word why are they just not Prejudice instead of racist I think we would have to ask more questions what would give you the what

Sarah (DNP)would what would make you feel comfortable saying that or calling a black person the N word the same thing that would make them comfortable saying the c word whatever the conditions are for

Sarah (DNP)that so I guess then that goes to that goes back to who I mean I obviously we can't answer this question of who started it you know I mean that sounds very childish

Andrew Wilsonbut did we let's just say that well let's just say that they just say it on their perspective podcasts right so like let's say there's two different podcasts and they're on like some I don't know

Andrew Wilsonfree domain or something like this and one is just like they just say the word the n-word all the time the other one says the CW all the time right one's black who says the c word all the time

Andrew Wilsonone is white who says the n-w all the time the white guy is not part of any system of Oppression he's not part of any governmental system which is designed to oppress anybody neither is

Andrew Wilsonthe the black person in this scenario they're both individuals who are saying a racial slur but why is it in that case the white person would be racist and the black person would only be Prejudice

Sarah (DNP)that's what I don't understand if the racial terminology is applied to a system itself yeah and I do I understand what you're asking me and I do believe that

Sarah (DNP)perhaps um I mean I understand that some people may say certain things in ignorance and not realize how it's sounding I do believe because there is a

Sarah (DNP)history of of white people being racist towards black people that we would view things like you saying that word um

Sarah (DNP)through the lens of of racism as opposed to you just being Prejudice towards that person that black person yeah but that doesn't make any because there's no there's no system though there's nothing

Andrew Wilsonsystemically happening at the individual level it's only systemically happening at a systems level so like University guy's in charge of a university calls person the NW he has the power of an

Andrew Wilsoninstitution right behind him or some sort of institutional power in order to do to make this actually affect you in some way I could see you then saying if I called him the CW that's Prejudice he

Andrew Wilsoncalls me the n-word that's racist by your definition of systemic I can't understand it on the individual level with people who aren't participating in a system of Acts I understand but the

Sarah (DNP)thing is there's not really a way of determining whether it's racism or Prejudice by what you're just saying I think there is I would say that like I like I said before that we are going to

Andrew Wilsonview it through the lens of racism um because how you view it through the lens of thing is individualistic so like okay but if White people viewed it through the lens

Sarah (DNP)of also racism you would just reject it even though it's still an individual assessment at that point I mean if you consider it racism then you consider it racism and I can still disagree and say

Andrew Wilsonthat it's Prejudice yeah but we're we're not really going off of me rejecting your definition but accepting it and just kind of telling you where the where

Andrew Wilsonwhere I see a logical inconsistency yeah if there is no system which ex person's participating in it's just an individual mhm and it's the same on the opposite side right so there's no oppressor

Andrew Wilsonoppressed relationship there between the individual I don't understand why the individual can't be racist themselves towards another individual if there's no systemic push

Andrew Wilsonin other words or why they couldn't be prejudiced towards another individual well because well I feel like we're quibbling here or not equiv equivocating

Andrew Wilsonso we know what Prejudice in this case means that means um racist absent power essentially your racist absent systemic or historic

Andrew Wilsoncontext that would be Prejudice right perhaps yeah yeah something well something like that at least like in that frame and we know that racism in this context means

Andrew Wilsonhistoric plus systemic right that equals can be racist yeah got it but if you're not part of anything which is systemic like for

Andrew Wilsoninstance a white guy gets here from Ireland right two days from now um and he just starts like shouting the NW right he's not part of any system of anything right he just really hates

Andrew Wilsonblack people let's say that she just hates them how how is that you would say that's racist but if a if a black man

Andrew Wilsoncomes over from um let's say I'm some part of uh of Africa that's never had a history of slavery or a different country where uh there's a lot of black

Andrew Wilsonpeople who don't have a history of slavery or general history of slavery at least in the United States context couldn't they be racist um no I don't think so I would say no I wouldn't think so you're saying

Sarah (DNP)that they're spewing off like uh profanity towards whites white people I would how do they get to be a part of this system of of Oppression where

Sarah (DNP)they're not a part of the system and have no historic context now no I mean that's I guess that's tough I I think that that would be a learned

Sarah (DNP)behavior perhaps um I do think and you're probably going to disagree with me on this but I do think that a lot of if there is a black person spewing off like

Sarah (DNP)racial slurs towards a white person that a lot of it is in retaliation because of the systemic racism but if they just think it's

Andrew Wilsonfunny the black person if they think it's funny to say to say slurs towards a white person they just think it's funny to do no I I think sometimes they do because I think that I think so too so a

Andrew Wilsonguy a guy comes in from a you know a section of Africa who's has no ties to the United States really at all comes in as a let's say immigrant or Refugee or

Andrew Wilsonsomething like this had doesn't have any history right no there's no historic context then he's not part of any system he just thinks it's funny to call white

Andrew Wilsonpeople these slurs right and he does think lowly of them right and he calls them slurs isn't he racist at least at that

Andrew Wilsonpoint I think he's prejudiced towards white people yeah so then then for me got to move it on yeah yeah I'll just wrap it here for me this is it's an

Andrew Wilsoninconsistent definition because if it requires power and historic context and the system and and now we can point to a person has none of those things and they

Andrew Wilsonstill can't be the thing that's sounds like you're elevating privilege at that point that's just some kind of privilege that's applied arbitrarily it's not I don't think it's privilege I think it's

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Brian Atlaslike that man that's the type of girl you got to understand that just I asked her I asked her just tell me what you think that you think I think you did wrong you don't even have to think it

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TiaAndrea women are not oppressed in the USA you disagree why is that um into the mic please I definitely I definitely feel like we've come a long way in

TiaAmerica when it comes to women's rights M um I definitely women's rights thank you and I definitely feel like we were

Tiagoing in the wrong direction and how how so um just the way that our president talks about women and the way he feels women should have less

Andrew Wilsonrights and access to things when it comes to the household and all these other things what I don't know if he said what are you talking about like Trump trump Trump's too much for simp like he all he does is hire women he has

Tiawomen everywhere he has him his he opened up the office of Faith first thing he did was put a woman in it it's like he's not trying he put his ex-wife who has passed away on a golf course like he wouldn't have to pay taxes for

Jen Stonethat said golf course and he never leaves her flowers that's false really yeah um because for if if you want to put make it a cemetery it has to uh

Jen Stoneit only applies to that section of it that's where I say that there's fake news I mean even just like let's Grant it right that that's F lots and lots of

Andrew Wilsonmen regardless of and women too hate their exes that doesn't mean that they hate all women I didn't say that he hates his ex I think he used her as a

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Andrew Wilsonexes like who car even if it was true like and he just really hated his ex he just seems like he just doesn't like woman unless they there as an object to objectiv them he literally puts them in

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