FERAL GIRL ATTACKS ANDREW?! Gets KICKED OUT! HATER Marxist Feminist STORMS OUT?! | Dating Talk #234

Date: 2025-03-17

Duration: 8h 12m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

KKenzie (Montana)>

AAndrea (UC Merced)>

AAshley (Softball)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Jen Stone(guest)

SPEAKER_04Kenzie (Montana)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Tia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ashley (Softball)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Priscilla(guest)

SPEAKER_13Andrea (UC Merced)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sarah (DNP)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

ControversyKenzie opens by calling Andrew a rapist based on marital consent comments

ControversyPriscilla drops F-slur and cracker, gets in Andrew's face. KICKED OFF.

OtherKenzie walks out mid-show

Key MomentAshley: never had boyfriend, never been on date, 600+ hidden Hinge matches

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Jen Stone, Kenzie, Andrea, Priscilla, Tia, Sarah (DNP), Ashley (softball).

Kenzie Calls Andrew Rapist

Based on marital consent comments. Heated debate on consent reversibility.

Priscilla Kicked Off

Drops anti-gay F-slur and cracker on stream. Physical confrontation with Andrew. Kicked off.

Kenzie Walkout

Walked out mid-show after feeling shut down.

Ashley Never Had Boyfriend

Never had boyfriend, never been on date, 600+ hidden Hinge matches.

IQ Test on Stream

Jen attempts IQ test while slightly drunk. Gets sample question wrong.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_03crazy gosh the wrinkles I better

Jen Stonenot do we have a Omega chat let's finish it go ahead pull it here okay there's Andrew there we go

Jen Stonenext oh wow why are your eyebrows why did your eyebrows not stop growing first off these are actually not

Brian Atlaseven AI right like Jack Frost um here uh here's what we're going to do Blake can you uh go ahead and uh

Brian Atlasgo grab the stuff from downstairs like last yeah um okay so uh here we're we got a lot to go through there's like a

Brian Atlasmillion different things um we got the pineapple pizza my God bro Today's Show is just [ __ ] cluster [ __ ] um we got the pineapple pizza that's coming we hit the we hit the goal or whatever so

Brian AtlasAndrew's we're going to have pineapple pizza here for the panelist uh while we're doing that I'm going to drop the TT actually honestly I we'll do the row session at

Brian Atlasthe end uh so it's just going to be yeah we we'll do the row session at the end and sometimes we'll like do a drop in the TTS for like the pizza party segment but we just we got to get through the

Brian Atlasshow so it'll just prolong the show way too long um okay while we're doing while we're waiting for that though let's do this um we need to do the gender swaps which we're going to do I'm going to

Brian Atlasread this chat here from Earthman the woman in chair one is gorgeous and is a 10 does she have social media yes you can find me at is it tagged or what do

Brian Atlasyou can chat it out if you Ian I don't know it's like gen 2or stone 2 unor I don't really use it uh Earthman I do appreciate your Super Chat thank you so much really appreciate it if you guys

Brian Atlaswant to get a read in $100 for read TTS is 200 does anybody not want pizza I want pizza I'm vegan I can't help me it's I'm okay too okay ethical ethical

Brian Atlasor health I'm no oh no I'm no I have pizza okay huh I have pizza I'll put it away earlier okay that sure that's fine um okay so pizza pizza pizza pizza pizza

Brian Atlasokay cool all right we'll do a little pizza segment Andrew's going to have uh the pineapple P did we pull up the photo of you eating the pineapple pizza yeah pineapple today is that the first time

Brian Atlasuh no it's not the first time I've ever had pizza no I mean the pineapple not the first time I've ever had pineapple no no on the on the I hat so much all right so Andrew is gone so I'll

Brian Atlasget into her notes when she's back let's see we have oh she it's coming back I guess um this would be a good time so you were on the show I think two weeks ago three weeks ago or something uh

Brian Atlasthere was a bit of a heeding exchange between me you Andrew you uh and it stemmed from you saying that either I or Andrew or both of us have

Brian Atlaslow IQ and we're stupid and making jokes about like other stuff um and then Andrew made a joke about deportation which you were like deeply offended by that was you yeah that was her that was

Brian Atlasreally funny she didn't think so I thought so though yeah um so do you guys want to have like a quick like you know just political debate on like legal illegal immigration I feel like this is a good it's just I just find it

Andrea (UC Merced)kind of weird how like oh my God people shouldn't be here illegally like it's so wrong that they're criminals like what coming over here is literally a that's literally crazy like it's a it's a

Brian Atlasbut it's like this is stolen land and it's like known to stolen Mexico stolen land yeah do you know the history of like Mexico City Mexico stolen so Mexico stolen land I can't immigrate

Andrew Wilsonthere that's kind of [ __ ] up huh I can't believe that they do that I can't believe that they went and butchered all of the indigenous people in Mexico Mexicans did right this would uh be

Andrew Wilsonmysos went through and butchered all the indigenous people and stole that land I thought mysos the like the colonized no so what happened is Spaniards came over and then

Andrew Wilsonthey mixed with the indigenous people created mosos mosos took over most of what is now Mexico they took over California they had Texas they had all of that the indigenous people were not

Andrew Wilsonmosos they butchered them so they stole their

Andrew Wilsonland I will look into that look into it mhm all land all modern land is is stolen from some group or another group so yeah that is the history there right that is the history of South America is

Andrew Wilsonit changed hands multiple times between many many groups there are white South American nations do you know about the Spanish conquistadors yeah yeah they but

Andrew Wilsonthey were mostly so that was like a a a mixture of uh geographical locations that they came into like Cortez went through Aztec lands in South America I don't remember the exact geographical

Andrew Wilsonlocation me either but but but yeah they did yes this was mostly Spaniards then Spaniards made misos misos butchered the indigenous population for sure so it's

Andrew Wilsonall stolen land I don't know why it is that I can't immigrate there I can't just walk across the border there because well they arrest you and throw your ass back to your own country it's pretty easy to walk across

Andrew Wilsonthe border to Mexico and then if they if you're there illegally they ship you back here because you're not supposed to be in their country cuz they have a constitutionally elected government and

Andrew Wilsonum yeah but they're not border laws deporting that's cuz nobody wants to go there if people if people did and by the way they do when people come from south of Mexico into Mexico they will keep

Andrew Wilsonthem out and they have the Mexican military on their southern borders keeping out people who try to migrate through Mexico that's what happened with the whole Caravan thing they were literally trying to keep them out of

Jen Stonetheir Nation so I don't know why it is that Mexico can have a border policy but we can't that's really strange I mean I think we should I I have one argument for that if we have a declining

Jen Stonepopulation and with births why should we get rid of the act like the um illegals when we need them for our

Andrew Wilsoneconomy well okay so first of all I don't think that you need to have a continuously growing GDP it's not necessary for the Health and Welfare of the nation that's one and then the

Andrew Wilsonsecond thing is is that I think if you're going to spend your resources on uh basically legals who come in on healthc care things like this rather than supplementing your indigenous

Andrew Wilsonpopulation so that they can have more live bursts that seems really stupid to me why wouldn't you allocate your resources to your domestic population it just seems like you want to kind of

Jen Stoneforce women into having babies instead of bringing inever advoc women should be forced to do anything oh the abortion laws and all that that's not force that's that's saying you can't do a

Jen Stonething it's not forcing you to do a thing do you want to actually contend with the actual topic at end though no yeah continue on I just I just have that one I mean abortion is a separate topic oh no no I that it started because when you

Jen Stonewere gone I was talking about since besides that you said you're against most abortions no no I am so then you would use Force because no no no listen it's because the birth rates go down and

Jen Stonethat's on the show a lot of times that's a topic on anti-abortion and um I'm just like if why kick them out if we need their population for to keep birth yeah

Andrew Wilsonbut this is a really strange argument because if we didn't have a reproduction crisis we wouldn't need to be importing anybody from anywhere we can focus on our domestic population they're already

Andrew Wilsonhere which is a domestic population and we're kicking them out when we need them so no we don't need them we don't need illegal here most of so for one thing you're talking about a million people a year who immigrate legally yeah our

Andrew Wilsonpopulation boomed from 150 million to 330 million right on par with the immigration policy of a million people coming in per year so thing is is

Andrew Wilsonlike how much more do we need to import what happens by the way is that when the these people come in when they come in within a generation they're right down

Brian Atlasto the low reproduction rates just like everybody else is I thought yeah I don't I don't I'd have to look up that up but I think it's kind of the opposite it's kind of not so um we're going to do the

Brian Atlasgender swap portion here uh but I mean just to your point it is a crime it's uh I I looked it up it's 8 USC subsection 1325 it's a crime tenter unlawful

Andrea (UC Merced)entry yeah but I don't know just like Maring them as like oh you're a criminal it's just like I don't know people look at criminals as like really bad people

Andrea (UC Merced)like the thiefs and like murders and you know just like abuser like I mean want a napkin and like the people who come into this country I

Andrea (UC Merced)making a mess but you want a napkin did I make a mess is it on me no just he ask if you wanted napkin and the people come here to live

Andrew Wilsona better life to work hard provide for their family because um you know they just want to do better for nobody's disputing the motivation of wanting to go to a country that isn't yours for a

Andrew Wilsonbetter life the question becomes does the indigenous population of that country the people who are in that country who are citizens of that country have a say and who gets to come in and who doesn't I think they do just like

Andrew Wilsonyou have a say as to who comes into your house and doesn't come in your house so the Japanese for instance they don't allow they don't allow Mass migration of any kind it's it I don't know it's also kind of weird it's like oh you can't

Andrew Wilsoncome into our country but we we'll go into yours and vacation there and like we'll you can come here on vacation it's you can so here's what you do you go get a passport and you can come here and have a vacation then go back home and we can

Andrew Wilsongo to your country with a passport and go on vacation and then come back home that's how that works that doesn't mean that you have citizenship and that you can then drain the coffers for social

Andrew Wilsonwelfare and drain the coffers for medical care like that's that's a nogo like why why is why do you think that the citizenry of the United States is going to want to supplement people

Andrea (UC Merced)who aren't from their people group they don't want to like um like white white Americans like they go live in Mexico because it's cheaper and stuff and yeah they have to go through the same process

Andrew Wilsonthough they have to apply for limited citizenship and then they have to apply for uh Mexican citizens citizenship they want to stay there longterm but like a lot of them don't yeah they go there on

Andrew Wilsonvacation true they just have to come back every certain amount of time and they abide by that instead of actually getting by the way for the Mexican Government this is a good thing right because they get all sorts of money from

Andrew Wilsonthe Greeno who brings in that Greeno Greenback and that's worth a lot more than the Mexican peso is so they love having tourists come in and things like that it's not the same fiscal drain on

Andrew Wilsonthem as it is on us it's a literal fiscal drain on this country not to have vacationers come in but to have people come in who are at the like lowest

Andrew Wilsoneconomic or economic status you could possibly be at and then immediately they come in and get welfare they get uh Medical Care they get all of this literally on our tax dollar now it's

Andrea (UC Merced)really easy for you to say well we should do that I just think it's but you don't pay for that it's wrong like the like the immigrants here like we work hard and everything we contribute to this country too it's not like we're

Andrew Wilsonhere and just living life no they work hard 24/7 there's no dispute I've I've literally I lived in California I grew up in California I saw what immigrant labor did in the

Andrew Wilsonlettuce fields and when they were uh working in The Vineyards especially I see it in Michigan when they're picking fruit yeah that's hard ass work nobody's disputing that we have migrant work programs so that migrants can come in

Andrea (UC Merced)and work and then go back to their home country a majority of immigrants are those people too and it's just like oh Deport them Deport them it's just like you're deporting hardworking

Andrea (UC Merced)immigrants that is contributing to your country like the food you have is here's the it's easily accessible they also come in and do remittances so they what they do is they come in and they get American dollars here and then they

Andrew Wilsonsend it back to their origin Nation untaxed it doesn't help us at all so okay but you it literally like you guys go into our country whatever just well which is your country is the United

Andrea (UC Merced)States your country or is Mexico your country here but yeah I can still say like Mexico it's like you know my is that your country or isn't it no it's not it's not like my actual country so your country from while I was born here in the United

Andrea (UC Merced)States so who are your countrymen well I'm Mexican Aman but I do have family in Mexico sure you have family there but who are your countrymen I think she's highlighting her ethnic background is

Andrew Wilsonthat what you think I didn't know that she was doing that but I'm really glad you clarify it's super nice of you so anyway I was just curious though if we get back to this I can't say I can't say I can't say like oh that's my country I

Andrew Wilsonwasn't born there but um yeah I was just curious who yeah so like if Mexico and America went to war who do you have your loyalty

Andrew Wilsonto don't know do you think that might maybe that's a problem with having immigrants in wait let's get an answer go ahead that is who's your loyalty

Andrew Wilsonquestion um I would do a lot to protect like Mexicans and everything honestly so maybe for the people who are here right who when we hear this from uh even

Andrew Wilsonpeople who are born here with American citizenship if my country goes to war with your country I'm going to side with that other country and not my own country I'm born here like I can't really do anything about that's true

Andrew Wilsonexcept Advocate on behalf of the enemy who we could be at war with since I live here I can't really do anything like about it well you can you can vote and you can Advocate on behalf of potential enemies of the United States so if we go

Andrew Wilsonto war with Mexico now you have loyalties to Mexico and not to the United States that's a massive problem with immigrants coming in especially in Mass from a single country is now we have dual loyalties we have to

Andrew Wilsondeal with that's not a good idea no Nation would put up with that like what nation would ever put up with that like imagine this let me give you this scenario so let's say that there's

Andrew Wilsonmillions of people who are like-minded like you who said well I would prefer actually to advocate for Mexico if there was a war between Mexico and America right and then we had a draft and we drafted tens of thousands of people who

Andrew Wilsonwho thought like that now you have soldiers in the field who are willing to shoot other soldiers in the back right I I honestly respect both I just I can't I don't know I wouldn't like what was your original question

Brian Atlaswhere does her loyalties lie to the United States or Mexico in the event of a war yeah and she said she do I don't know I I respect if you had to pick one well since I live

Andrea (UC Merced)here I don't know I would have to pick the us but like you know but you have a lot of loyal there right I would still feel for Mexico you know this came up

Andrew Wilsonthis this problem historically has come up in World War II we intered to the Japanese the Japanese who lived here in America we intered them in internment camps under lock and key and armed

Andrew Wilsonguards because we're at war with their origination and we couldn't take the risk that they were going to sabotage or kill our soldiers on behalf of our enemies like this has historically

Andrea (UC Merced)happened that we've had to do that someone someone said like um myow the threshold Mexico what about it I don't

Andrea (UC Merced)know um but I don't know I I wouldn't like live there because I was born and raised here so I'm very Americanized so I I wouldn't like fit in all completely

Brian Atlaswith Mexico yeah uh okay here let's do the gender oh wait but she's G damn bro okay um we'll do the gender swaps here we'll Skip and then when she comes

Brian Atlasback we'll we'll do it so let's do the gender swap move but skip one person all right so the question here is um can you hide the thing in the the streamyard thing the black

Brian Atlasbar all right can you zoom it out make it a little smaller uh that's sufficient okay so the

Brian Atlasquestion here is would you date your S I guess but as a male um no how no

Brian Atlasno no okay uh next would you date the male version of

Andrea (UC Merced)you it looks like I have a unibrow yeah probably but I don't really have unibrow oh really with the facial hair

Andrea (UC Merced)yes like I would give I would give him a chance with facial hair okay yeah I would too

Brian Atlasokay next would you date the male version of you

Brian Atlasno no no next would you yikes that's a

Brian Atlasyikes brutality who okay would you date the male version of you no I'm not looking like that make it a little bigger uh

Andrea (UC Merced)next would you date the male version of you he's kind of cute for a white boy um maybe without the facial hair without the facial hair okay is there a next for me and Andrew

Brian Atlasmaybe okay that's Andrew that uh okay that's like young Andrew and older Andrew um that's young Andrew that's young Andrew she wants to smash

SPEAKER_08dude that looks completely different would you would you hit yeah that's what 20 years will do you look totally different you'll see that's crazy uh yep

Brian Atlasuh okay next and this damn I look wait who's that girl the crazy girl you just look straight Trans in

Brian Atlasthat that just not look that does not look who's that uh who's that like old this is old school YouTube there's this girl uh like crazy ex-girlfriend or

Brian Atlassomething and she had these like crazy eyes you know what I'm talking about no was she friends with lelay pawns no it was like [ __ ] I'm trying to

Brian Atlasum I see Bella from Twilight kind of what what is that girl's crazy meme girl overly attached girlfriend that's that's what it uh that's what it looks

Brian Atlaslike uh okay and then we need to do hers now that she's back at the table we'll get that pulled up wait don't pull it up yet we'll get a all right go ahead pull it

Andrea (UC Merced)up so would you date the male version of you that's my type yeah I think he's cute yeah he's cute with facial hair all right that's exactly my type so yes okay cool uh one sec guys I'm

Brian Atlasgetting a couple I'm surprised by that by the way here uh one sec okay so where were we I totally forgot

Brian Atlasuh one sec okay relationship yeah uh I'm going to go back oh no we have a chat coming through that's what I was going to do my mistake we have negative

SPEAKER_07200 negative2 200 donated $200 I wonder what Native Mexicans would say if 25 million Chinese illegally

SPEAKER_07arrived into Mexico and began to drain public services or make political

Brian Atlasdemands you want to answer that or can keep wondering I guess yeah one sec keep wondering but like let's say I wanted to and like let's say just a

Brian Atlasbunch of Americans around us whatever country it is wanted to move to uh Japan for example uh and they just they went there legally and they were like okay I

Brian Atlaswould the Japanese not have a right to remove them from the

Andrea (UC Merced)country I mean I would would say like I don't know I wouldn't I'm not going to be the person to be like yes like take them out

Andrea (UC Merced)Japan like you know what you're there but as long as you're all right you're there like you're you're working you're there for a better life you want to you know do better better for yourself and

Andrea (UC Merced)stuff and I mean but you're there illegally and hiding and stuff and and all that um okay I don't know like all right um I don't know I'm not the type of person get out like unless unless you

Brian Atlasare like a murderer you want to just you take those off the table the you can just throw them on the ground it's fun um okay uh go I guess going back to Jen then some of your or you had something

Brian Atlasyou wanted to weigh in on this topic or I don't remember don't remember okay uh so Jen you had said hold on I'm getting back to your notes here because we kind of cut off where we were at

Brian Atlasuh W there's a lot here I'm not going to get to you sent a lot the night before so I was like okay so your POS yeah so we were we

Brian Atlaswere kind of talking about how the show is just as harmful as only fans we talked about that uh and this was this is where we kind of stopped so you said considering how much domestic violence there is in the world yeah you don't

Brian Atlasthink it is very healthy to spread rhetoric about women to mentally damaged men and we were exploring that a little bit so first I'm just when it comes to

Brian Atlasthe mentally damaged man hold on sir sorry sorry um when it comes to mentally damaged men I I'll just defer to Hitchens razor that which is asserted

Brian Atlaswithout evidence can be dismissed without evidence you have no evidence that my viewership is mentally damaged I me I reject it completely I mean that's fine I'd say like the comments where it's really hateful I'd say those people

Jen Stoneare pretty mentally damaged so same with some of the people on the show is this just you and her just uh what rhetoric am I spreading it's not really you it's some of the

Jen Stoneguests you have which means it is kind of sort of related to you and it's just like a generalized term I'm a I'm uh responsible for what my guests say I'm

Jen Stonenot saying you I don't have a problem with you Brian I think you you problem hold on your claim is uh I sole

Brian Atlasproprietor whatever podcast my business my show uh you said that uh that the show is just as harmful as only fans in

Brian Atlassociety okay so you might not have like maybe you find me more agreeable but what rhetoric is being

Jen Stonespread just generalizing people and I don't I don't freaking know Artic articulate something bring up past episodes to remember all of us you have

Jen Stonea lot of episodes and I have a short-term you know memory what generalizations just about what women want and that we use people for money like never said that but okay I didn't

Jen Stonesay you said that who said that then I don't Andrew doesn't say that either when you say into the mic please people you've had on the show who which ones I don't know most of the

Jen Stonepeople you've had on the show's names other than him okay what the people in the comments when you say that women want status and

Jen Stonemoney it is that wrong no it I mean yeah I I don't believe that and certain transactional people want that but not

Jen Stonethe average woman doesn't want a transactional um situation we we want love and like a partnership not status I'd rather not date somebody with status

Jen StoneI think that they're more likely to be like abusive or more likely to not who wait who's more likely to be abusive oh statistically it's you're more likely

Jen Stoneand if have a a position of uh Power to be like narcissistic or uh sociopathic Psychopathic because you have the

Jen StoneCharisma and the the um look it up it's actually true I would prefer somebody to be normal and I'm normal and I just don't think that's represented a lot on

Brian Atlasthe show is just normal people dating okay so you think it's going to lead to domestic violence if it can't when when you like you got let me finish

Brian Atlaslike s can you just let me finish a sentence without interrupting I'm sorry I don't mean to I'm so sorry I get you don't mean to how about you just make

Brian Atlasthe correction so you're saying that the rhetoric on the show is going to lead to domestic violence against women how like saying that women should submit and how

Brian Atlaswould that be how would that lead to domestic violence he's saying that there's I I say women should be submissive so I'll have submissive is fine I'm fine with submissive but Andrew you just said women should submit that will lead to domestic violence no I'm

Jen StoneI'm trying to explain my answer when Andrew goes to the extremes of saying oh is it really submitting if you have limits to that which are like boundaries like you have boundaries that

Andrew Wilsonis when it becomes dangerous nobody advocates for no boundaries well it kind of sounds like that when you say it sounds to me like you just always hear what you want to hear regardless of what's said you just

Jen Stonehear what you want to hear no you say well if there's you say like multiple times you say well if there's there's a limit to it then you're not actually submitting that's incorrect so here's what I'll here's what I'll do here's

Andrew Wilsonwhat I'll do instead I'll let you steal man the position that you think I have and then I'll tell you if it's correct or not you've said it multiple times said what that if you're like oh if

Jen Stonewomen uh have limits to their submission are they really submitting oh yeah really never heard them say that I'm going to send you the clips send it I'll have to send it you won't because it's

Andrew Wilsonnot there episodes I've watched it position at all my position is not so I've watched it okay do I give prescriptions for when women should get divorced in a Christian marriage do I

Andrew Wilsontell you what the prescriptions are I don't I don't remember you don't know suddenly you don't know what my positions are you know all of them except the the ones that I I'm assuming it's Christian beliefs no like if

Andrew Wilsonthere's abuse there's abuse right physical abuse if there's abandonment right if there's if there's addiction these are all grounds well

Jen Stonethat's good aren't those all limits what about like hang on aren't those all limits yeah well I thought you just said a second ago that I said there's no limit I'm just responding to what you say on the show you've are that was part of your argument you're not really

Brian Atlassubmissive if if you have boundaries wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on I do need to have this exchange so

Brian Atlaswhat the suggestion here is based on the rhetoric that is espoused on the podcast domestic violence is being increased I'm not saying it is I'm saying it like when

Jen Stonewhen I hear stuff about a woman should submit and there's um why would that increase domestic violence if there's no boundaries to that um I think No Boundaries what well actually wouldn't

Jen Stonethat actually lead to a decrease if there was no boundaries to the submission would that lead to a decrease because some things that men could ask women to do can be abusive like

Jen Stonelike what what do you mean give me an example of what you're talking about like making someone basically yeah they have no Financial

Jen Stonesay in anything they have no say on their body they have no say on any part of their life and they're used as labor or sex or whatever and they can't say no to things I don't know it just sounds like a personal preference to

Andrew Wilsonme did you take all the pineapple off your pizza Andrew that's that that just sounds like do you think that there's women who have a preference where they don't want to make any financial decisions and they just want

Jen Stoneto do what their husband says yeah but it's not abuse no there should be limits everything if if uh women's working at home and they don't have money for their own shoes but they that's not your [ __ ] business that like that is not

Andrew Wilsonyour [ __ ] bussiness there's something called Financial there's something called mind your own [ __ ] business there's a lot of things that you talk on that's not your business you still do it business is and how you should mind it

Andrew Wilsonlike it's not for you it's not for you to make a determination that a woman needs to have her own money for X how do you determine that you just make it up because I was in Annie for 10 plus years

Jen StoneI made way above the national average and be like like I it was a hard job why would we get married to you and then I wouldn't want you to get married to me you I mean men in general I wouldn't

Andrew Wilsonwant I wouldn't want men in general to marry you when we have jobs why would we get rid of job why you're right I agree so I don't even understand what the argument is I completely agree with you

Andrew Wilsonif you are advocating that a woman needs to be able to be a sassy pants I have my own money I'm a girl boss should you marry that I'm dis I don't have you marry should you marry her if she's not

Andrew Wilsonin alignment with your goals the answer is [ __ ] no you shouldn't it's very simple yeah alignment with goals is different than getting married and my goal is to have a woman let's say who submits to me yeah submission is fine

Andrew Wilsonwhen it's not abusive what well abusive is perspective what is abusive is me is me making the financial decision that you can't go spend money is that

Jen Stoneabusive it can be possible can be abusive if it's to an extrem perspective right that's perspective anything can be abusive to an ex so let's say you go out

Andrew Wilsonyou spend $4,000 you really shouldn't have spent that's an ex stop let's say you go spend $4,000 you shouldn't have spent so I cut off your credit cards and you can't spend anything is that

Andrew Wilsonabusive no if you we can't afford it no it's not abusive right so I guess cutting women off from money isn't always abusive is it I didn't say it was did I so so the thing is is like having

Andrew Wilsonalignment and perspective of if a man wants to make the financial decisions that's kind that's not only not abusive but you what you do is you give this like nebulous idea if the man so it's

Andrew Wilsonbaked into the hypothetical the man shouldn't be abusive if he's abusive it's like like yeah sure but give me examples of what you're talking about well if if a woman's being abused and she has see what I mean if a woman's

Jen Stonebeing abused what is that though let's say being hit or yeah I don't Advocate women get hit I'm saying if they're put in a

Jen Stonefinancial situation where they cannot leave and they are not getting their fundamental basic things Tak care of like what they're not they can't have

Andrew Wilsonfood clothes so you so you think I you think that I advocate that women who are dependent on men say did that the men don't feed them or get them clothes

Andrew Wilsonthere are abuses there are not no nobody's ever advocated for that that's just [ __ ] ridicul then what what is the abuse you're talking about

Jen Stonethen so you your statement uhhuh about submission you're not really submitting yeah if if you have objections at all um

Jen Stonethen you're not really submitting I heard you say that like multiple shows that's what I'm have a problem with yeah even though that's never been said I'll send it to you after the show there was recent

Andrew Wilsonepisodes yeah the idea here is things like this you can't decide what School Junior goes to you should defer to the man if you don't defer to the man you're

Jen Stonenot actually submitting to him that is true yes I I agree that's true but in argument you said you're not really submitting if you have OB at all no

Andrew Wilsonthat's never happened I'm going to in fact I've said multiple times that the proportion of submission has to comport with reason so a man can't ask you to do things like jump off a building and you

Jen Stonego no and you you're not really [ __ ] submitting then I'll send you the clips but it sounded pretty bad when I heard it that's because you hear what you want to hear you legit said that though no I doubt it since we don't have the clip

Brian Atlasthen I don't I'll s to you afterwards but I promise that's fine so I need to have a some back and forth here so uh you again the harmful rhetoric from the show is leading to increases in domestic

Brian Atlasviolence against women I didn't say it was I said it could okay you being on the show could lead to an increase in like male murders I don't I don't know how to contend with like it could something I think if

Jen Stonesomeone doesn't have good morals then they shouldn't be thinking that women should submit to them and the majority of these men it's just incoherent okay how is it

Jen Stoneincoherent it's just all over if you don't have morals you shouldn't no if you don't have morals you shouldn't be thinking that a women should commit moral whose morals yours just normal

Brian Atlasmorals in society based on who like don't don't scream and cuss out a woman don't isolate them don't isolate them from why not what if she cusses and yells at you then you shouldn't do that

Brian Atlasthen y'all should both leave cuz it's toxic what if you tell a woman to shut up the [ __ ] can you tell can you tell your wife to shut up yeah oh okay well then seems fine to me um you said men

Brian Atlaswith no virtue are getting unhealthy dude I'm sorry men with no virtue are getting unhealthy ideas about relationships and putting women in danger yes that's the

Brian Atlassame thing we were talking about before you're talking about my audience yeah a lot of them don't have virt if you're going around what do you have that my audience doesn't have virtue I'm prepared to take the position

Brian Atlasmy audience has greater virtue than the general average population even more who's right um so okay what evidence do you have for

Brian Atlasthat sorry go ahead because first of all the things they're saying but um because the things are said ER go audience has no virtue I

Jen Stonesay bad thing audience has no virtue does follow because if when y'all say stuff like women don't care about body count and um I'm the majority of women

Jen Stonedon't but okay we do and the way that men are going around lying to women to get them to sleep with them like let's say her

Jen Stonecase where she was a safety in her case it's very toxic when um you're comparing women's body count when like a large

Jen Stoneportion of the time we're not going around being horny we actually want relationships with these people and men think it's okay to lie to get do you

Jen Stonewear makeup yeah that it's a lie I'm covering a rash right now you're lying yeah but my body is different than my face hello can you stop interrupting um yeah women lie through wearing makeup

Brian Atlasand that's inducing men who wouldn't otherwise be attracted to these women to have sex with them you lie about all manner of your appearance there's plastic surgery there's like uh the what the [ __ ] wearing certain like the the padded bras and [ __ ] women lie about

Brian Atlastheir physical appearance men care a whole lot about how you look women lie about it you induce men to have sex with you that otherwise wouldn't true so um the transgender topic when you say it's

Jen Stoneno this this correlates and let me finish when you say that you would um argue that it's sa if a transgender person doesn't um say disclose disclose

Jen Stoneum did you know that it's actually consed coercion which is illegal if they if if you want to have sex with someone based on the knowledge that you have of

Jen Stonethem um and you have sex with them um based on a lie that's actually if you look it up it's actually called Co

Jen Stonecoercion so I would uh argue that it's coercion if like a married man um lies to have sex with someone or um someone

Brian Atlaslies about their entire hon then every single human being who's ever lived is a Grapist people lie all the time I'll stay with you forever this is and and this will be an inducement for this

Brian Atlasperson to have a sexual relationship with them I'll never leave you these are things that people say to each other in a relationship I'll love you forever um I'll never leave you invariably they don't love that person anymore I don't

Brian Atlasthink somebody because they've now they've made an utterance of I will love you forever they are now compelled to remain in love with that person forever people say these sorts of puffies in relationships I don't think that that's

Jen Stonelike coercive I gave my body to you based on knowledge that you lied about it's the same thing as you saying that I gave my body to you thinking that you

Brian Atlaswere uh a woman when you're not it's coercion um I don't see how one is worse than the other I think it's both just as wrong just clarifying so when it comes to the trans thing uh if they're trans

Jen Stoneand they don't disclose that's like coercive or yeah you you said in the past that you you said that yeah you said that it um you would argue that it's

Jen Stonesa which is the most minor amount of it is illegal to coers people into into sex it's illegal so um even though it's um socially acceptable if you look up the

Jen Stonelaws it's actually illegal to do that no one gets arrested for that most people don't get arrested for any essay um but if you look up coercion it is considered

Jen Stoneaay so do you think that if a man says to a woman I love you right and he's lying and then she sleeps with him should he go to jail no I don't I don't

Brian Atlasthink they should I'm just saying it is illegal his essay for to lie about that to get since you brought the trans thing you said it is scientifically proven that gender isn't only male and female

Brian Atlasthat's how would it be scientifically proven cuz there's um like biolog when you say science are you talking about biology yeah for gender um yeah gender

Brian Atlasdoesn't pertain to biology it's a social concept I know I mean not g whatever sex sex that's what I mean by SE sex okay you said there are more intersex people than trans people out there I don't know if that's actually true but you said

Andrew Wilsonthere are males no that's probably true it is true but no one cares about that but it's because it's because of the broad scope of of so it depends on what you classify as interx so there's two competing studies but anyway okay um you

Jen Stonesaid there are males that can have babies um technically um they would have to inseminate themselves but it is it is technically possible for for um in her

Jen Stonesex person to get pregnant with their own oh no to impregnant themselves but yeah men do have babies look actually an interx phenomenon I'm not no the majority of the population don't know

Andrew Wilsonlook it up it's not taught in biology I'm not disputing it I'm just going to clarify it yeah it's true when you say interex that doesn't actually mean you have two Sexes so things can fall under

Andrew Wilsoninterex like a man has cancer they remove his testicles it UPS estrogen and he gets man boobs and that's considered intersect by some criteria so when it's gone through and it's re-evaluated for I

Andrew Wilsondon't remember if this was I think the stud's called steal but they went through and re-evaluated it and they took it from the Absurd percentage they had down to like .1% which was actually hang on which was

Brian Atlasactually intersex conditions it was point four you're not going to that there's a ton to get through so okay yeah um so I'm you you made a criticism about I

Brian Atlasmake generalizations do you make like you avoid generalizations completely yeah I mean I try to let me read some of your notes here you said um I think this would even be a

Brian Atlasgeneralization I just read it men with no virtue are getting unhealthy ideas about relationships putting women in danger you mentioned the thing about domestic violence um and that men watching the show would be more inclined to like domestic violence that seems

Brian Atlaslike a generalization you said that men thinking men thinking that these are your words that they only need to work a full-time job then they can just chill and play World of Warcraft in all their

Brian Atlasfree time is the issue that seems like a general generalization towards men how's not you said men men thinking that they only need to work a full-time job then they can just chill and play World of Warcraft and all their free time is the

Brian Atlasissue so here's the Gen hold on so here's the generalization you made you were saying essentially that men in order to get women men think wrongly that all they need to do is have a

Brian Atlasfull-time job and they have to like not do anything besides just chill and play video games this seems like a total that's not what I meant bro [ __ ] words lady listen I've

Brian Atlasdone if you want to just walk back every single position of yours this is your stated written position I'm going to tell you the reason I can't have a debate with somebody who wants to walk back all their [ __ ] position no 70%

Brian Atlasof divorces are from women right if you talk to the women who are having the divorces hold on hold on this is what's happening oh that's seems like a generalization yeah you so you wrote 70% of marriages are initiated by women but

Brian Atlasthere's a reason for that you said domestic violence emotional abuse Financial abuse cheating substance abuse lack of intimacy and unequal division of house household responsibilities I've

Brian Atlasseen the stat that says it's 80% of marriages are uh the divorces initiated by women but I'm a little bit or you said 70% of marriages 70% of divorces are initiated by women um what

Brian Atlaspercentage of divorces that are initiated by women fall into domestic vience emotional abuse Financial abuse cheating substance abuse lack of intimacy and unequal division of household

Jen Stoneresponsibilities um I think all of them 4 40% was like um qualified as uh what What's the um the term is just like um differences what's the term they use

Jen Stonethat's like differences can you just scoot your mic to the edge of the table please um what's what's the term they use where it's like differences that you can't the the divorce term that that's

Jen Stoneum Iron differ so I think 40% was in reconcilable differences but that's like a broad statement so 60% of men who are getting divorced are like abusers no no

Brian Atlasno no I'd says like a generalization i' say this is some har rhetoric that putting out there that's going to result in domestic violence towards men from their female

Jen Stonespouses 14% is abuse um from what I looked up it's 14% is um domestic violence I'm saying um if you look at the terms um uh yeah the majority of so

Brian AtlasI'm I'm addressing the whole generalization thing that you I've looked up stats you said then you said that then y'all men play victims on divorce the

Brian Atlasshow who me yeah you always bring up that that we're stealing your money and I what that women are um

Brian Atlaslike when the financial ramifications of divorce dis proportionately negative negatively impact men when it comes to alimony and child support that's true I

Jen StoneI agree with that but women in marriage women in marriage we lose all of our Financial Freedom we we don't get disability um if we don't have

Jen Stonedisability not if you don't have work credits uh after divorce I'm disabled I know this so if you get married and you get divorced are you being paid

Brian Atlasalimony no and I live in Texas we don't have Alam money I'm not I'm not privy to the precise disability laws as it pertains to Texas talking as it relates

Jen Stoneto divorce and the impact divorce might have on your security disability oh yeah you can't get Social Security um disability you can get SSI which is like $500 a month but you can get Social

Jen StoneSecurity Disability you get SSI but you can't get SSDI SSI is up to 534 bucks a month SSDI is it doesn't it does matter

Andrew WilsonI I literally know divorced men who get SSDI yeah because they have work credits you have to have a certain amount of work credit so you're saying you didn't pay enough into the system yeah because

Jen Stoneif if you're at home with with the children and stuff and you get divorced no I

Andrew Wilsondon't I'm I'm you said that yeah we're on the argument of of I think I understand so the argument let me just make sure I got it right so the argument

Andrew Wilsonis women stay at home so they're not contributing to the workforce yeah so since they're not contributing to the workforce they don't put enough money into Social Security to draw the type of disability they would need if they

Brian Atlasbecame disabled yes okay and then men are four times more likely uh to leave a woman this would be the same thing with a state home Dad right yeah it would be yeah what was the fake study you were about to say men are more likely to

Brian Atlasleave their wives if they cancer or something no even like nurses and stuff they they talk about it it's it's not like a anotal stuff that's study was absolutely debunked this idea that men are like seven times more likely to

Brian Atlasleave their wies four times okay well the one I heard say seven I'm Prett the the study I'm familiar with four times all I'm saying is that there are

Jen Stoneissues because we leave the workforce and um it's harder to get a job if you haven't had a job in 20 years and you get divorced a hairdresser when in the early 2000s she gets divorced 20

Brian Atlasyears later she can continue being a hair there's not she like then she can charge market rate for a haircut like idea off as like a bottom bottom level you lose your your status but that just seems

Andrew Wilsonlike a great deal to me I don't even understand what the complaint is so like if the deal was presented to me you don't have to work but can stay home and you stay home for a limited amount of

Andrew Wilsontime before your kids require less and less care the the more years that go by the less time that you actually have to spend caring for the kids right you'll be provisioned for for the rest of your life that's a great [ __ ] deal that's

Andrew Wilsonlike a great deal I don't I don't know what the complaint there is it can be and if the marriage doesn't break up because the woman doesn't grow boss and say don't tell me what shoes I can [ __ ] buy which is what you're trying to say earlier right don't tell me what

Brian Atlasshoes I can buy know so so your whole criticism was that essentially boiled down to when I pushed you repeatedly about like what is the harmful rhetoric what is the harm I'm causing is you make

Brian Atlasgeneralizing statements about men I'll read another generalizing statement you made you said that y'all men play victims on divorce men want us to stay home and raise kids but don't see any Financial value in that true that seems

Brian Atlaslike a generalization I'm saying from what y'all say on the show I'm making the my statements based off on the I mean first off I well actually no there would be a financial value to woman

Brian Atlasstaying home and raising the kids that way it frees you up as the man to go out and kill it and provide for the entire family but in addition to that we're not looking at stay-at-home uh wives or

Brian Atlaswhatever it is through through the lens of the financial value of that we're looking at it through the familial value that you're providing yeah but let's

Jen Stonefrom things I've seen on him he'll on the show I can't quote you but you were like laughing like that it was a minuscule Mount oh like they clean and

Jen Stonedo this like oh like I've actually been married and raised tons of kids you no but I was a nanny for 12 years and worked 60 hours a week that's great I've worked 60 hours a week most of my life

Andrew Wilsonraising other people's families I know no raising my own family I have my own children are you going to get are I'm sorry you going to take a shot at me because I'm willing because I'm willing to take care of other people and my own what does that have to do with what I

Andrew Wilsonsaid so here's the thing just so that you understand right I've raised many children from the age that they were little tiny kids to the age of adulthood

Andrew WilsonI've raised children and I'm telling you that it's not that [ __ ] hard this job that women complain about is not that hard to do the every year that goes by

Andrew Wilsonit gets less hard than the year before the same is not true of a man's work I mean every year that goes by it doesn't get less difficult than the year before I would disagree on a lot of that um

Andrew Wilsononce you put yourself up in higher positions you should be working it's way more no do you think that adding responsibility I'm sorry so add responsibility to a man so he's in a

Jen Stonehigher position that's less hard work I just want to make sure I got that clear if you're doing things correctly then you should be working less same as women as a kids get older no as you get into

Jen Stonepositions of authority your responsibility gets higher you do more work not L work does Brian work harder with this podcast and works once a week or whatever no right I'm just saying I'm

Jen Stonesaying you own businesses that's [ __ ] crazy wait you own businesses we stay at home and own businesses yeah they can write they can do all sorts of things what are you talking about I'm

Jen Stonetalking about different jobs my job tell me what you're about to say about I do a show about business owners the mic keep the mic at the edge of the table it's not comfortable for me I'm talking about business owners ver what what was you

Jen Stonesaying about how you're a business owner me what were you saying about me I'm saying that if you're doing it right you shouldn't have to work as much I've been working 80

Brian Atlashours if you do it right as a mother you shouldn't have to work as much true what right wait so you think I'm like my job's easy no I didn't say it was you sound I know social media is hard oh he

Jen Stonedoes a show once a week I'm talking owners the farther you get up you can hire people to allocate those so more responsibility so more responsibility more people look after but you can

Andrew Wilsonafford to pay other people to do this so and so you're paying people who are now in an underling management position to you and then you are overseeing all of them yeah you hire other people Who

Jen Stoneoversee them and then you have to oversee them yeah it's like this great people I I know oh the people I know that are 40 plus who own businesses they worked

Jen Stonereally really hard and worked like 80 hour weeks until where they got to the point where they finally finally didn't have to do that anymore and they start traveling they start doing all of yes that's true you can have some of the

Andrew Wilsonfruits of the reward but I guarantee you none of those business people working less hard than they did 20 years ago in fact they're usually working way harder they're usually way more stressed out they have way more people who depend on them for paycheck when you have people actually depend on you so imagine this

Andrew Wilsonfrom the man's perspective now only do you have your family who depends on you children who depend on you wife who depends on you now you have other people's family who also depend on you like me I have multiple employees all of

Andrew Wilsontheir families get fed through me right my family gets fed through me my job has not become less difficult at all and in fact as I become more successful it's

Jen Stonegoing to get more difficult not less difficult well I mean the people I've dated well yeah I I own a small uh um

Jen Stonebartending company and I bartending company yeah and and I'm I'm also getting into Airbnb rentals and it this pertains to that when you first start out do you think I only work one day a

Brian Atlasweek no I didn't say that it kind of cut me off you cut me off when before I even got a chance no you were trying to move on you were zipping on to the next thing you do I was trying to make a

Jen Stonepoint about why did you bring up me having a show once a week because I was talking about business owners and you went from two shows a week to one show a week didn't you

Brian Atlasrecently and yeah you're working less as a business own I'm actually working just about the same amount I mean I don't know your free time but I've dated

Brian Atlasmy work time has not been cut in half even though I've gone down from two shows a week to one show a week do you hope in your bartending business that you're going to have more employees yeah yeah do you think that's

Andrew Wilsongoing to be less work oh it's definitely less work cuz I still get paid whether I work or not and do you think you you think it's going to be less work to manage those employees and manage your customers and manage your customers you

Jen Stonethink so yeah um when it pertains to Airbnb when you first start off you have to Al all of you have to hire all bro it's so insulting for a woman to that I work like 12 like 10 hour days every

Brian Atlassing I don't take a day off I haven't vacationed in the past 3 years and some like entitled woman comes on the show saying that oh you just do one show a week you have no [ __ ] idea how hard finish I'm talking about business owners

Brian Atlasit's just really ins own it's just really [ __ ] insulting cut you just do one show we just stroll into the podcast studio and that's me that's just so first all how am I

Jen Stoneentitled but you cut me off before I even finish what I was saying you cut me you've cut me off a bunch yeah but like that you're assuming what I was saying before you even let me finish and how am I entitled hey I got a vacation how am I

Andrew Wilsonentitled to De bcon because they they' flying me and Rachel out anyway so I just went ahead and made that you know work trip a vacation be the one that I

Jen Stonewas working at from my experience in business is you can pay other people to do certain things the higher you go up and eventually you become what does your business bring in a

Jen Stoneyear not not that much yeah it's probably not a lot of experience in your in your business I'm talking I from other people I know I'm saying that in general you can say the higher you go up

Andrew Wilsonthe more employees you have and eventually you don't have to work if you don't want to and you can if you choose to yeah usually when you get to if you get to the point where you are I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow um a extremely rich extremely wealthy business owner you have multiple employees you can Outsource most of your stuff this and that you're like 60 okay yeah you're like 60 you're like

Andrew Wilson70 you're not you're not young anymore you're not expanding your business no I get it when you get older yeah that's when you start to have the freedoms yeah but business here's here's what actually happens in business you start small it sucks you put your nose to the GD Stone

Andrew Wilsonyou usually don't get paid for the first three years for the first three years you don't take a dime and any dimes you do get you reinvest it back in the business and Equipment cost things like this and you do all the work yourself and then what happens is one day you

Andrew Wilsonmaybe catch a break and you get a few extra contracts and you do all those yourself too reinvest in your business and you still take no money for another year I get that eventually maybe you get to the point where you're one of the few lucky business owners who can afford to

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