ADDRESSING DRAMA! Brian CONFRONTS Hater Girl Who Called The Podcast DUMB?! | Dating Talk #191

Date: 2024-08-28

Duration: 6h 54m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLexi (Escort)>

PPayton (pay_irl)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00(audience)

SPEAKER_05Lexie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Payton(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Riley(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ava(guest)

SPEAKER_13Fern(guest)

Key Moments

OtherFern reveals her ex-boyfriend had a sexual encounter with her male best friend.

“Fern explains her on-off boyfriend (100+ breakups) turned out to be on the DL. Someone told her after their final breakup. She reconciled with the best friend.”

OtherRiley openly says she would go on a date with Lexi over the Chilean soldier guest (a man) sitting at the table.

“Brian asks Riley if she would go on a date with the Chilean soldier (a male guest). Riley says no — and she would go on a date with Lexi instead. "Brutal mogged" reaction.”

OtherPayton physically intervened when her boyfriend was held at gunpoint.

“Payton describes being with her marijuana-dealing boyfriend when an acquaintance pulled a gun. She grabbed a bottle and smashed it over the attacker's head. Police report followed.”

OtherAva and friends sold their bikini bottoms to a man at a nude beach for $100 each.

“Ava describes how an older man at a nude beach offered to buy their panties for $100; they negotiated up, went to his car, and sold them. Describes preparing them for sniffing.”

ControversyBrian and Lexie argue about whether she can claim to want traditional treatment while doing sex work.

“Brian points out that Lexie does OnlyFans and escorting, so it's inconsistent to want traditional chivalrous treatment. Lexie says she wouldn't want her boyfriend doing those things anyway so it doesn't apply. Extended back-and-forth.”

OtherRiley's crack cocaine admission — viewer's "ex-boyfriend" donation claims she smoked crack with him.

“A viewer donates claiming to be Riley's ex and says she smoked crack with him. Riley denies it was recent. Admits to smoking crack twice in her life total.”

OtherMan vs bear debate: all four panelists prefer the bear, leading to discussion about male danger.

“Brian poses the would-you-rather with a random man or random bear in the forest. All women except Payton (contextual) choose bear. Discussion of what percentage of men are dangerous.”

OtherSelf-rating round: guests rate themselves 1-10 (no 7 allowed) and rate Brian.

“Ava 6.5, Riley 8, Fern face 8/total 5, Madison 5 (declines to rate Brian). Payton rates Brian 7.2. Fern and Riley rate Brian 4.5. Ava rates Brian 6. Chat says girls over-ranked themselves.”

OtherBrian addresses Jake Shields Twitter drama — responds to claim podcast divides sexes and Daily Wire buying the show.

“Brian reads his tweet response to Jake Shields, pointing out Jake appeared on similar format shows himself. Denies Daily Wire acquisition. Mentions Cernovich also stirred drama. Guests react. Old scammer drama update deferred.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and guest introductions

Brian opens show. Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Pre-show no-shows mentioned. Kiki (plush cat) introduced.

Relationship status round

Riley: 6-month situationship, sees guy 3-4x/week, not exclusive, deleted Tinder. Ava: single a few months, ended relationship under 1 year ago, bisexual. Lexie: single ~3 years, celibate. Fern: single ~1 year, 8-month situationship cooling down. Payton: single 7 years, celibate 4 years. Madison: boyfriend (works for podcast).

STI testing and sexual health practices

Lexi advocates STI testing before every partner, dental dams, and "dick checks". Discussion of risks of oral sex and STIs. Riley shares vape with Lexi; Brian objects due to Lexie's sex work.

Who should pay on the first date

Ava and Fern: go 50/50 or expect man to pay if he explicitly invited. Riley: depends on invitation. Payton/Lexie: women should pay. Brian argues paying is the optimal chess move but questions whether modern women deserve chivalry. Payton offered to pay on recent dates, wonders if that was wrong.

Prostitution legalization debate

Should prostitution be legalized? Payton: should be illegal, including for buyers; would reduce harm to society including porn. Others: legalization makes it safer. Brian: doesn't think prostitution is good but uncertain on policy position.

Relationship transparency and body count

Should Brian disclose he never wants to marry? Should women disclose body count? Lexi's OnlyFans / sex work vs claiming to be traditional. Brian argues you can't claim chivalrous treatment if you're not a traditional woman.

Body count discussion

Is caring about body count immature or insecure? Riley: hypocritical if man has high count but demands low count from women. Fern and Lexie: preference, not immature. Lexie declines to state her number on this episode.

Man vs bear debate

Would you rather encounter a random man or random bear in the forest? Ava, Riley, Lexie, Fern: bear. Payton: man (contextual). Discussion of what percentage of men would victimize a woman. Estimates range: Lexie 50%, Riley 10%, Fern ~10-15%, Payton ~1-2%.

Feminism and gender equality

Are guests feminists? Definition debate. Discussion of legal equality vs social treatment differences. Women being tipped more than men. Male bias against male elementary school teachers. Military draft and selective service: should women register?

Racism and racial discrimination debate

Can you be racist towards white people? Riley argues racism requires power differential (prejudice+power definition). Brian pushes back with standard definition. Extended back-and-forth.

Self-ratings (1-10 scale, no 7)

Viewer "Stiffler" asks guests to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Ava: 6.5. Riley: 8. Fern: face 8 / total 5. Madison: 5. Payton: 6.5. Guests rate Brian: Payton 7.2, Fern 4.5, Riley 4.5, Ava 6. Madison declines (has a boyfriend). Chat calls girls over-ranked.

Pay gap and women in workforce

Brian argues doubling the labor pool by pushing women into workforce lowered wages and caused cost of living crisis. Mating pressure from women (providers) explains wage motivation gap. Guests push back with general disagreement but limited counterarguments.

Bowing to your partner discussion

React to video of woman bowing to partner. Would guests bow for a boyfriend? Madison: yes. Payton: yes if good provider. Others: no. Brian contrasts willingness to have sex with strangers but not perform traditional acts of submission.

Twitter drama: Jake Shields

Jake Shields (MMA fighter) tweeted that Whatever podcast is designed to divide sexes and make women look dumb. Claimed Daily Wire is trying to buy the show. Brian reads his full response tweet pointing out Jake appeared on same format shows, denies Daily Wire acquisition talks. Also mentions Cernovich drama. Old drama (scammer update) deferred to another episode.

Transcript

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Fernsaying that the men have to be drafted or the

Brian Atlaswomen wait what if the women are uh saying are you say like are you like we're talking hypothetical right now the here let me let me let me give you an example so

Brian Atlaslet's say the government was majority women Supreme Court imag no no no I'm I'm switching give me let me give a different example the government was majority women the Supreme Court majority women president a woman but

Brian Atlasthese women are conservative women mind you about 50% of women are pro-life if this government a majority of women passed legislation fully outlawing abortion for the entire United States

Brian Atlasand if you complained about it and I turned to you and said but who's passing those laws would that be a compelling

Fernargument yeah honestly I mean like it is women who are doing it so I can't be like it's men doing it right but so it's

Brian Atlaslike so okay it's women so your issue doesn't matter is that the argument no it's not that it doesn't matter obviously it really does but so yeah but you so we got to abortion is kind of

Fernlike a I feel like it's a very different thing how how so has to do with bodly autonomy doesn't it no we were talking about the war yeah we're talking about

Brian Atlaswar not somebody a b so a government forcing you like they can move where you live they can force you to perform

Brian Atlasexercises and train they can force you to it into a uh a geography or a combat zone where you could die or you could get a bullet in your stomach or your head or your

Rileyheart that's has absolutely everything to do with bodily autonomy no you're right it is the government's control over somebody and to your argument you were saying if it would be different and

Rileyif it was a woman in charge or not I think that the problem whether it's the men in charge or not cuz women can be sexist too women can be sexist towards women if it would still be a problem of

Rileysexism if that was a problem if it was all women I would say those are sexist women it's not that all men are sexist and that all women are not there can 100% be feminist men and sexist women so

Rileyit's not a difference of a man in office or a woman in office it's a difference in their morals as a human being

Madisonwait so you think women that are pro lifers are sexists towards women no no but so going back to the draft pro life so that was the example so should women

Fernbe drafted be subject to the draft do I just have one question before I answer that do men do they have to

Brian Atlasqualify first like do they like run like no are you sure I mean there are some okay there are some things because if a woman qualifies then yeah so there are some things that can exempt you from

Brian Atlasmilitary service uh although in the case of a draft like for example if you uh have certain medical conditions it could exempt you from service right uh but I

Brian Atlasmean if you're talking about the average woman I don't think that there's anything when it comes to the average woman that exempts them from service because average women can volunteer for the volunteer military then yeah so yes

Brian Atlaswomen would qualify then yeah if that same woman could volunteer and join the military she should also be subject to forced military conscription yep if she qualifies same with the man

Brian Atlasif the man qualifies everyone should if they qualify yeah I agree I agree we need to start sending women to war you guys are great feminists I love it send

Rileythe women to war send them hey if that's a smart decision as you already said there's more things to do in the war than fight there's plenty of other

Rileypositions that need work so if that's a smart decision to have women and men then leave it up to the government and they'll make that decision screw the

Brian Atlasgovernment okay let's see uh oh wait Fern you said hot take body count doesn't matter yeah in your notes but we kind of already talked about it because I said that in my notes that I said that

Fernyeah it's but you still won't reveal the body count that's what I'm because it only matters to the person who who I'm having a relation with so like why do you care if I'm saying I don't care you know what I mean I think he's just

Paytonsaying he thought that you're what you said meant it doesn't matter I like in a relation but I think that it's something private to somebody so I think it should be kept private unless you're having

Paytonrelations with someone obviously then they should have the right to know but then it does kind of sound like it might matter yeah but that's her thing and if she doesn't want to air it out on

Fernno I'm just saying generally I'm just saying from her statement I'm not coming at her for it no I'm saying it does matter if you're having relations with somebody but if it's a random man asking me I'm not having any relations with him

Fernso he doesn't need to know you know okay was there a TTS that came in that asked a question that we did not like I said I would get to it but we didn't get to it I think we went through all of them you can check though it was

Madisonlike at the very beginning but I think I think we did it we have Maddie can you read this one abortion rundown poor foror my guess is pro-choice pro-choice

Madisonpro-choice pro-choice Pro lifee if they draw a line in fetal development make them defend why they draw it there oh God pro choice Pro

Brian AtlasChoice uh just curious I mean just curious since he sent in the chat just show of hands who's

Brian Atlaspro-choice pro life okay okay I don't really feel like having the portion I feel like that's

Brian Atlasvery political so yeah how did this go from dating to political like I'm it's all your fault Lexi all your fault all the blame's on you it's getting a little bu oh it's

Paytongetting it's all my fault can I ask you a question and I don't mean this offensively sure I may or may not answer is it cuz your eyelashes are so big or cuz you're stoned that your eyes are

Lexieshut so much stoned okay just was wondering and also I'm getting like sleepy and the topic is getting a little boring and I have what topic would you like to discuss then that would be more excited go with the flow type of girl

Rileybut the whole War thing CAU me off guard cuz I thought we weren't supposed to mention War aren't you the leader of this podcast why are you asking her for topics cuz she said it's boring we just want to know what you would like the war discussion like can we like you got to

Brian Atlaslove these people where it's like God this is so boring and you're like okay what you want to talk about well this is I don't have anything and the bird is distracting like I'm just oh the bird

Brian Atlasbird can't I'm so bored because the bird I'm just like zoning out and in bored people are boring bored people are

Brian Atlasboring people get argue with the chat pay you were on a first date and the guy got arrested on the way to the restaurant what's the story there so it

Paytonwas I think the second date not the very first date we had hung out before that um we had hung out in a park just walked around talked a little bit he seemed totally normal and it everything was

Paytontotally fine and then he said he wanted to take me out to dinner I said okay that's fine personally I do not drive I don't have my license and so my mom

Paytonhonestly dropped me off at his house and we got in his car and we were driving to the restaurant and on the way there we happen to get pulled over and you would think that getting pulled over wouldn't

Paytonbe a big deal if you're driving a car you would have all your stuff together you would have your license everything well come to find out his license once was suspended and he also had a warrant

Paytonout for his arrest nice so the cop said oh are you able to drive his car back to wherever you guys came from and I said no I don't have my license there's no

Paytonway I can drive and he said well we have to tow the car and I said well what is he getting arrested for oh it's against our policy to say if you're not family what he's getting arrested for and so I

Paytonhad to call my mom to come pick me up and I that's the last I ever heard of him he could have killed his whole family he could have done anything I've never heard from him again he could still be in jail to this day were you in

Brian Atlasthe car with him yeah when we got pulled over yeah and so uh wait how did they get the car back like did a family member come and pick it up or was it no they towed it oh they towed it sorry I missed that part um and then you never

Paytonheard from him never heard from him again probably like got picked up wait I they I asked the police after he they put him in the back of the car I asked the police officer I said why is being arrested could I know the charges they

Brian Atlassaid if you're not blood or or family we can't legally tell you that's not true but but how long I believe you just they can tell you they just probably I don't know they how long were you SE him for

Paytonthat was our second date the first date we walked through a park together everything seemed fine we had met through Instagram everything seemed fine and then that's the last I ever heard of him did he reach out to you at first or you

Avareach out to him he reached out to me dude that's guy once and he still calls me from prison from jail yeah I I I didn't go on a date with him or anything

Avayeah it was like in a group of people and uh and he was like take my phone number and I'm just like I don't know those I'll just be like okay sure like but not actually going to do you know

Avawhy he's in jail huh do you know why he's in jail dude some I something's like it's like an he's in there for like nine months and I just and I remember one day I got the phone call and it's and I thought it was like a

Paytonscam at first I'm like I have no idea who this person is the unfortunate thing for me is he was trying to hook me up with one of his uh prison homies oo yes the unfortunate thing for me is I didn't know his entire name so there's no way I

Lexiecould look up the charges the police wouldn't tell me you know his whole name how are you going on dates with people you don't even know their full name it's from Instagram I don't care that's even worse like at least first you know you

Paytonevery dude you ever have hung out with you know his entire name $699 fact you didn't do your amazing how

SPEAKER_00the conservative woman of the panel still suck picking men you all have no one to blame but yourselves keep falling in love with those bad boys it was she she barely knew the guy you met him no

Lexiebut the fact that you didn't know his name that's like literally rule number one for all you need to know his name how are you not going to know his name I knew his first name okay but like personally everyone put their entire

Paytonname on instam if I'm going to go hang out with a guy I always ask I always ask CU I want to know who I didn't expect to know his whole life story and everything and I was very young at the time I researched them I'll Google it well you

Lexiehave other reasons to research them because guess what you never know that's like some Jeffrey dmer thing like you're going to go on a date with this guy you got into his car and you just know his first name what odds what are local yeah

Lexieodds that they're like Jeffrey dmer though from like very small odds very much about safety we know why you're about safety yes and you should be too just because you're not yeah just

Paytonbecause you're not a hoe doesn't mean you don't need to be safe I was trying to get to know someone when I was young I was trying to date someone I didn't know their first middle and last name to look up their records after they happen

Brian Atlasto get arrested I don't either honestly TTS is 69 someone TTS is 69 hey guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow

Brian Atlasin the prime sub if you shout up okay uh dis go to discord.gg whatever go

Brian Atlasto discord.gg so sced so scuffed okay it's okay is it fixed it's [ __ ] bird I swear to Fu

Brian Atlasthis is helping me get over my fear of bird yeah this is a fear of bird guys we're doing exposure therapy for Mad okay can you explain why like is it just like an irrational you know she got well actually it happened on whatever podcast

Madisonlike she was out out there on the street and the bird shat on her are you serious wait and that's why you're afraid that's why she's scared of biring on me I'm just scared of yes you are don't lie yes

Madisonthat but birds in general just scare me I think I was traumatized when I was younger my grandparents had like a chicken coop and I would always have to go with them and then they would make me hold birds and I was really scared of them and one time it like bit me I don't

Avaeven think that's why I think I just hate the body of the bird the feathers the beak the whole small legs I just hate the wait look no I get it I feel like that with butterflies like when I see from far away they're cute but then

Fernlike you see the body and I'm like oh you're just another B episode of SpongeBob where they like zoom into the butterfly have you ever seen SpongeBob it was a SpongeBob it literally like I was like probably like seven years old when I saw it for the first time it

Fernscarred me for life and say I'm also horrified of birds anything that flies really I can't do because I used to have Birds too and I really mean bird you've never seen a butterfly and thought it was beautiful now I do cuz it reminds me of my grandma but from far away like I

Fernwould never want one to touch me really SpongeBob SpongeBob trti your grandma it's like a damn reincarnation Traer but like a it's butterfly Nick let's do the next

Brian Atlasreact did you want to do the bear video I think we're well past the bear actually I have I have two more questions related to the bear I should have asked them but uh why don't you

Brian Atlaspull up the bear video really quick I'm so angry I know hry they snack go ahead I'm about to go uh skip it to the is this okay so guys check out this video

Brian Atlasall right see this like there's the string of cars and then there's a bear just kind of walking through this string string of cars now question for you

Brian Atlasthough those of you who answered bear if we replaced that bear with a man would you be less likely or more likely to just

SPEAKER_00let's say you wanted to get out of your car would you be more likely to Mike Davis donated $69 how you ask any of these females if

SPEAKER_00their Camala voters and instant ejection if affirmative I'll ask let them do the walk of shame I don't want to look at another rotten animal ruining this

Brian Atlascountry okay uh so I'll get back to the Cala thing really quick so that video that we were looking at If instead of that bear it was a man which scenario would you feel

Brian Atlasmore like okay just like getting out of your car assuming you're in that one of those cars is the man crawling too or is he just walking around well the Bear's the Bear's walking normally so the man's

Fernjust like walking normally um I would say in my car for both but you have to get out of car saying and there's and it's that same situation I would get out with the man because there's other

Brian Atlaspeople there yeah it's daytime there's people around the man 100% yeah okay now would you rather be in a room alone with a man or a

Rileybear in a room yeah and there's nobody else there yeah a 10x 10 room are people around

SPEAKER_00no J Andy donated $69 to the woman between The Dashing Austrian Soldier and the sex doll what platform do you stream on and what's

Paytonyour handle you seem pretty based um I stream on YouTube it is is p

Paytony i r l and I do cooking streams thank you yo Duren thank you for uh the TTS man appreciate it Mike Davis I will get

Rileyto your question just a moment here uh which do you pick if I was in a room small room I would pick the man and hopes that nothing bad would happen

Rileybecause if I was in the woods I'd pick the bear cuz the bear is obviously doesn't see me I could hide behind a tree but if in a if I'm in a room the sees you in the scenario by the way well you can't keep changing the scenario it doesn't change okay but the scenario is

Brian Atlasyou're going to cross paths which would indicate that like you will both become aware of each other okay well in a small room I would be afraid of a bear okay Lexi I would be

Lexiein the room with the man you can't charge him for sex I never said I was going to oh she's going to do it for free good for you I never said I was going to do that either

Brian Atlasokay fair enough what about you the man okay what about I guess also the question is like why on one hand do so many women pick the bear but these same

Brian Atlaswomen will like go have a one night stand with a guy that they just met like 30 minutes prior at a party I will not do that so I don't know because you you have sex with men for

Lexiemoney I don't casually date like that so I don't just casually have sex with men that I just meet but you'll be in a room alone with a man who pays you for sexual

Lexieintercourse and Screen I screen all my clients definitely oh you that's something that she did not do with her date I wasn't planning to have sex with them actually know them you still got to

Lexieget to know them by knowing their first and last name wait question if oh my goodness that's like so scary that she would get ever get into a car with somebody and not know their name question to the bear girls if you're in

Brian Atlasa bathroom would you rather a man or a bear wanders in um if I was in a bathroom yeah that's a good one would you rather a man or a bear wanders am I sitting on the toilet

Rileyyes you're in the you're in the stall what are you using the urinal do you have a penis well I don't know what if I'm just standing in the bathroom am I is that how you pee you just and you didn't say in the you didn't say I was peeing in the bathroom you're peeing in the bathroom there's a lot of things to

Lexiedo in the bathroom you're peeing in the bathroom okay it's still a small room you stand are you a stander or do you sit you don't need to know that is it when I use the public restrooms I'll

Lexieactually put my feet on the toilet and I'll squat that's crazy yeah cuz I my butt is not you stand on the toilet I'll like put my feet my shoes on the toilet and then I'll just like squat because I

Lexiewill not touch but I'm very flexible so did you do that with that toilet I no I hovered over that one okay wow that thank you for respecting our toilet I guess well I'm also wearing

Brian Atlasheels I wasn't just going to wear heels and hover over the toilet in my heels great if I was wearing sneakers probably

Rileyso what about uh oh uh so bear a man in walk into the bathroom um probably a man because in in all of these questions I'm

Rileythinking of the space if in a forest a bear can go along its path but in a room there is no other thing to pay attention to other than the other living being and

Lexieit's a bear it does it's not going to come shake my hand so sure have you ever seen the videos of the Bears getting like stuck in a car and they're like trying to get out of the car but they're like ripping the car to shreds yeah that's what I'm picturing of the bear

Lexiebeing in like a bathroom stall and I'm picturing like it just trying to rip all the stall doors down and I'd be kind of scared of getting hit with the stall

Ferndoors so maybe a man what about you a man I

Fernnot preferred to be walked in by anyone but man oh okay um what what I miss what say something just

Brian Atlaslike I'm also just thinking about the space what do you think about so kind of sort of I don't know if this is a stretch here so like you guys have this fear of men right what do you feel not a

SPEAKER_00fear just cautious bias oh I got L paladins donated $699 give a D putting a bunch of men's Pennies set inside her is fine but she

SPEAKER_00draws the line at touching a piece of metal that touched another woman's butt nice nonsensical standards what metal butt what are we talking about I think

SPEAKER_00he's talking about a metal toilet no he's say we have we have porcelain toilets that's valid GMD gy donated $69 bricks and the reason certain types

SPEAKER_00of women pick the bear is because they know from past experiences that they can drive a man to the point of insanity and that would be risky that's true that's

Brian Atlastrue man that's probably it I think that's what's it is uh so I'll get uh Mike Davis I'll get your thing about Cala really quick in a bit

Brian Atlasbut uh what do you think about because there's like a bias against men you think you'll be victimized or whatever what do you think about women who don't

SPEAKER_00want uh transgender women in the bathroom is that valid like in the same way that when it

SPEAKER_00comes to like opcon donated $69 can AA share the link to her YouTube

Brian Atlaschannel my YouTube channel is Ava the G uh so cuz kind of in the same way that like women are saying I'd rather be in a

Brian Atlasforest with a bear than with a man like what do you think about women who'd rather not have a transgender woman in the bathroom like what do you guys think

Rileyabout that um I think that a lot of the time some women will have trauma with men and some kind of experience and that's the reason that they're kind of cautious

Brian Atlaswith it so mhm I think could this trauma involve a penis yeah yeah so what if the transgender woman still has a penis the that's valid that's valid if

Fernyou are scared and that's just the way it is you know like so you're fine with like the whole bathroom thing like not wanting I think it depends like where they are in the transition obviously cuz

Fernif it's like someone oh so close please so close son of a

SPEAKER_00gun we're doing some great work with m l donated $7 fix we fixed ladies you have to choose between two elevators in one

SPEAKER_00elevator there's a 6' 3 250 lb man and in the other elevator a 250 lb bear which elevator are you getting on so raise your hand for bear I don't think

Lexiewe would fit with the I thought we were going to do the Kamala one raise your hand for man God I'm waiting for that one can I say one thing about the baron man just answer this can you answer that one though yeah can I say something

Rileyabout answer this one like this okay go ahead um the whole reason that it's an argument it's not a very valid one I don't think because a man and a bear are

Rileycompletely different your brains are completely different the reason that women are choosing and that's everyone's mad about it the reason women are

SPEAKER_00choosing the bear over the man is because humans Sons of Liberty donated $69 if forced to choose would you rather

SPEAKER_00date a trump supporter or MS13 gang member say no to socialism vote Trump 2024 okay we'll do Camala we'll do this one but first she has to finish her

RileyPoint go ahead okay what was I where was I you're saying the difference with the bear and the D why why women choose that okay I'm I got totally like off track was it about the bathroom thing no it

Rileywas just about this whole Topic in general I just wanted to explain like there's just such a huge difference between a human being and a bear mentally they don't have Bears don't

Rileythink about like Bears cannot be murderers they kill instinctually there's yes but they kill instinctually bears don't kill stuff for

Rileyfun whereas there are human beings that are serial killers that kill people for fun and are word people for fun cuz that's what they like to do bears don't

Paytondo it for fun they do it for food and that's it but do you think that the percentage of serial killers the

Paytonpercentage of serial it didn't work the supposed to do just to see the the fear response do you think that the percentage of bears that

Paytonkill people for the reason you're saying or M male serial killers is um the same amount I'll do it I don't even understand that question I what you're

Paytontrying TR I'm trying to show the how illogical it is choosing the bear with the percentage of bears that would be

Paytonlikely to kill somebody if they saw them then how the percentage of male serial killers that there would Poss there there's one there's a 1 to 2% fatality

Rileyrate for bear attacks per year add that in yeah yeah so my point is what I'm explaining is the difference that this argument is very not even

Rileyvalid because this is two completely different beings and humans can be serial killers mhm our worsts and everything under the sun and the only

Brian Atlasreason that bears kill is for food there's not an evil intention behind it it's not there's not an evil intention but Bears will kill for other reasons besides food like what you're in their

Brian Atlasterritory you're threatening their children in some way not even threatening their children if they children uh the Bear Cubs or whatever are in the

SPEAKER_00vicinity donated $696 9 cents I've never killed a woman for fun but I might have needed to cover up a woman's mouth when a woman doesn't shut up during a one night stand or

Brian Atlasduring a podcast well put l palins okay um how about this

Brian Atlasum if you go to any uh zoo in the world and there's a bare enclosure why why aren't the

Brian Atlaswomen just jumping into the enclosure to get away from these these men who are also in the zoo I'm I'm confused by this this is getting out of hand I thought

Fernhon different you're giving us different like things because see in a zoo you're surrounded by people in a forest let's okay here's the scenario but can we here's the

Paytonscenario not I have a good thing towards your point I there you know those um zoos that you can drive through and you feed all the animals why are there no bears in any of

Paytonthose zoos that you can drive through that you can feed what is the reasoning behind that it's because they want to kill they're not looking to just grab food by by hand from humans true this

Rileyargument is stupid it's a great it's a great arid AUM the bear and the man argument is stupid now you're trying to make scenar but he didn't make it up it's it's been viral on TiK ToK by

Fernsomeone else making it up he's just trying to make a point is about about man or bear and they pick the bear usually there's a story about why they pick the bear and what's a story about

Brian Atlasah okay yes you're totally right it it is basically hypothetical it's Bas basically a way for women to uh essentially degrade men so that they can

Brian Atlastalk about their anecdotal bad experience with aen or multiple men absolutely you're right but I have to challenge you here so

Brian Atlasin this scenario if if I even Grant to you that all these women have had bad experiences with with men I don't I don't even doubt it I'm sure they've had bad experiences with men sure let's

Brian AtlasGrant it does that give them justification and pretext to hold this bias against men in general that's the

Brian Atlasproblem from the man's side so I have this question to ask if if we were to

Brian Atlasfor example replace man with a racial group or um a woman no

Brian Atlasthat doesn't work uh if we were to place man with a racial group would this and the person said I would pick the bear over that racial group because I've had bad experiences with that racial group

Brian Atlasand now I hold a bias against that racial group because that racial group makes me feel uncomfortable is that racist did something happen to them like

Rileytraumatic let's say uh yeah sure that's their own is it racist well they are profiling a large

Brian Atlasgroup of people based on their Race So yeah so then is it sexist to say to pick men over

Rileybear no how is it not sexist because you're not comparing sexism is an argument between women and men you are comparing a man and an animal that's the

Paytondifference but what you just said was that that would be racist to compare it to a race that is the exact same thing as comparing it to men like if like he

Paytonjust said if it was a specific race and yes something did happen to them but they were basing it against that race that would be racist but that's the exact same thing as women having a bad

Rileyexperience with a man and basing that opinion off of all of men yeah and if there is a story behind it and you have a fear of this group of

Brian Atlaspeople for a reason then that's valid and that's fine oh so it's valid to be racist then did I say that well you said it you said it well you said it is

Brian Atlasracist he just said that the one black eye in the room did say it was racist but so you said it you did concede that it was racist and then you

Fernsaid it was valid that's valid I think what R means is that you're getting the definition of sexist wrong because yeah it's comparing a man and a woman right no you can be it's just about a

Brian Atlasgender yeah but in this sitation it's not really let me let me frame it like this if if there's a statement that is

Brian Atlasracist for example uh X racial group is this negative trait is that racist either way I don't think well just

Rileyanswer the question I don't get I'm trying to say just answer the hold on answer the question I'm going to say this is my answer to the question I'm saying basing a whole group off of a

Rileythought that's profiling whether it's a man a woman a race it's it's wrong no matter what okay but so it's racist but is it also sexist

Paytonthen because you said it's not sexist I never said that who did am I G I'm not gasoline somebody said it's not sexist it is going against what you said though because you said the

Paytonreasoning for all these women saying that they would rather choose the bear is because they had some type of trauma and that's valid but then I get where you're coming

Fernfrom I do I I get it if you're just you had one bad experience or multiple you can't really just like assume all men are like that I get it right yeah either way like we're agreeing like nobody

Rileyshould be grouped into because one person did something therefore the whole group is bad you know okay is it wrong for a

Rileywoman to pick bear um I think it's really not that deep okay and then care too much about this argument and it's not that serious well you guys were just saying how

Brian Atlasserious it was actually I said that this arum stupid actually so that was not said well I think it's I don't think it's stupid I think it's very revealing

Brian Atlasbut so you say it's not wrong for a woman in this situation to pick the Bear right is it wrong if we just replace it with a racial group is it wrong that is

Rileya completely different story yeah it is cuz you're talking about racism versus sexism are they not both bad they are both bad but I'm a woman I'm a white woman who's talking about sexism so I'm

Rileycomfortable talking about sexism nobody cares what I have to say about racism I don't we do because we want to hear no because I like that's not my place to talk about I'm a woman so I can talk you can have thoughts and opinions on racism

Brian Atlasbut it's there's a difference you can even Advocate on behalf of other racial groups who experience racism just because you're white doesn't mean you can't Advocate Against Racism I'm saying it's

Rileydifferent coming from somebody who is the group as I am a woman are you saying white people are racist what the [ __ ] are you trying to

Brian Atlasget out right now you're saying as a person who is the groupt dot it's going to be dot dot dot AKA why people are racist but you're trying so hard I'm not trying hard at all you're reaching how

Rileyam I reaching there's no reach I don't have that long arm I want to talk on behalf of women cuz I am a woman yeah you have a brain you can talk about racism I can talk about racism but

Brian AtlasI'm not going to act like I experience it that's not what I'm asking you okay so that's what I'm telling you if you are you capable of wh if you witness racism can you categorize it as racism

Rileyyeah so you can talk about it yeah I'm saying I'm not trying to talk on behalf of racism I'm not asking I'm not asking yes you are because now you're changing the argument to if it was a certain racial group I will I'm comfortable

Rileytalking about sexism because I am a woman women experience sexism I don't experience racism so I'm not trying to bring racism so if somebody said a racist remark towards a black person you would have nothing to say no I would

Brian Atlasdefinitely have something to say so you can't talk about it then yeah I never said I couldn't talk about it I said I don't want to right so I'm just asking you if it would be racist and I'm

Paytontelling you that's not that's not my position and he's also saying generally you can't see from an outside perspective that all these women saying

Paytonthat they would choose the bear and all these videos and that how it would make men feel bad that women are choosing a

Paytonbear over a man he's saying if you see racism you can categorize it as racism if you see all these women choosing a bear and all these men who are looking for a women like like women want to be

Paytonout there looking for a woman and they're seeing all these women say that they would choose a bear over them can you see like that's I think that's the point that he's trying to make random

SPEAKER_00underscore bear donated $69 Gustavo 2.0 failed to get the bird fired everyone freaked out over a random bird and they would rather be in the

Paytonwoods with a random bear I would rather be in the woods with a man than a feminist well see how we ran w we would also run from the but that's all I was trying to say is like I think that's the

Paytonargument he was trying to make is that like you can see that when there's racism happening you can know that that's racism you see it you can understand it but then all of these

Paytonwomen saying that they would rather choose a bear and how that's not wrong for all men who have done nothing that are just looking on the Internet or just being a man but from that logic you're saying that this

Rileyis so offensive because a woman is choosing something so what if a woman says I don't want to date you is that so offensive no like this isn't that like it's this whole man in a bear thing is

Brian Atlasso stupid because men are getting so deeply offended over something that it's not that serious but it's so many women wait it actually hold on you're actually

Brian Atlasdownplaying this is actually sexist in and of itself to to downplay yeah see look how dismissive you are you no it's funny oh men should be more open with

Brian Atlastheir how they feel well if men feel grieved by this blatantly sexist statement that women would prefer to be in the forest with a wild [ __ ] animal

Brian Atlasa bear over a to what could be a totally innocent man dangerous wild animal versus like nor Nick do you have that Meme with the [ __ ] inent men though hold on yes you downplaying

Brian Atlasit's funny you're just totally downplaying men's perspective we men don't like to be perceived as Predators yeah that's completely valid I don't want to be perceived and women have a bias against men and perceive men

Brian Atlasas predators and dangerous and violent even though the vast majority of men aren't okay now let me hold on but what if what if we just replace men with a

Brian Atlasracial group and this racial group had a had a disproportionate bias against them for vience and being dangerous would you downplay it then L Paladin donated can

SPEAKER_00you think of a racial group who has experienced that we can talk about SE keep your mouth closed Barefoot and chained up the kitchen with no rights away you belong go apologize for your

SPEAKER_04skin color more lady you have issues okay I I I think I can we talk about the can we change

SPEAKER_00it re what you so donated $69 you would run from a bear they will chase you down and kill you you running away gives it a reason to chase you down

Brian Atlasrunning is actually the last thing you should do what a moronic thing to say yo reap we have Mike Davis coming back in

Brian Atlashere uh because I told him I would get to it so Mike Davis in the chat coming in here in just a

SPEAKER_00sec there it is Mike donated $69 Brian ask any of these females if they're Camala voters and in all right uh so that was the one that already came

Brian Atlasthrough uh just going around the table who who you voting for uh in the election um not voting for comma okay I'm probably going to vote

Brian Atlasfor comma Trump comma Trump all right kind of mixed and the

Brian Atlasuh pay is we'll assume Trump yeah also Trump okay there you go Mike Davis there you go there's the breakdown on who's voting for who and uh we have one more

SPEAKER_00coming in GMD donated $69 literally 100% of my long-term relationships were with adulterous [ __ ] should I now assume all women are

SPEAKER_00adulterous [ __ ] I just made two bad mistakes women need to grow the F cup H it's a good point just because you have a bad experience with somebody of a

SPEAKER_00group doesn't mean that all people belonging to are uh L paladins donated $69.69 bricks and I used to enjoy your

SPEAKER_00podcast but then I realized you were white so now your opinions don't count no one wants to hear what a white person says actual quote from your panelist

Rileywait did you say that I said that my opinion on racism is not mattering because I am white I didn't say no matter though no it doesn't because I

Lexiedon't experience racism you think all white people don't exactly why this guy is telling you Brian that your opinion doesn't matter because you're white so why would you ask for that she's making

SPEAKER_00fun of what she said oh okay never mind I was confused sorry graffito TCT donated $200 women are misled by the oneir women

SPEAKER_00will be essayed in their lifetime statistic that figure is only that high ifsa is defined as any unwanted physical contact unwanted hugs and kisses on the

Brian Atlascheek count okay uh well yep I mean there's definitely a lot of bogus statistics going around on a lot of things um well do you think I mean

Brian Atlasfollowing this logic do you think men shouldn't have a say on abortion Yeah question do you think if in

Brian Atlasfurtherance of securing women's right to abortion would you be in favor of disallowing men the right to vote on abortion issues they can vote on

Rileyeverything else except this thing no so they should be able to you wouldn't yeah they can have they can vote they have their opinion you don't think they can

Rileystill vote for it but you'd rather they not I just don't think it's as valid because as I was saying earlier when you experience it directly and you are a part part of that majority then it's a

Rileydifferent story than when you're just witnessing it that's why I'm saying me speaking on racism I can have my own opinion and everything but I don't

Rileyexperience racism so it's not as strong but I am a woman so I experience sexism so it's a different story do men

Rileyexperience sexism sometimes yeah can any discrimination against a group is sexism against a male group female

Brian Atlasgroup it's sexism that's how it's defined I going back to the abortion one though uh so you you think that men should not have opinions on abortion they can have their opinions I just

Rileythink that they're not valid yeah I think it's more valid from a female perspective why is that because they are the ones having the abortions okay they can have their

Rileyopinions but in the end it's most valid from somebody who experiences is the trauma of getting an abortion or the fear of being pregnant well should men have any say when it comes to abortion rights I don't think so well I mean

Brian Atlasdoesn't affect them why why do you think that they should well for example the pro-life position might be they view it as life mhm upon conception so they view

Brian Atlasit as murder okay yeah but in the end they're not the one having the abortion so right but they don't want somebody they don't want a life to be murdered

Rileyyeah and where voting comes in I'm not the president I'm not the one making the laws I know what I'm going to vote for and you can vote for whatever you want right but so I'm a little confused

Brian Atlasbecause I'm hearing kind of two different things so no uterus no opinion no I said you can have an opinion but it's not valid it is not as

Brian Atlasvalid it's not so what if a man's pro-choice is that not valid it's the same stance I think that when you are wait you're not you're not prepared to

Brian Atlashave male allies on the pro-choice issue what so I asked you what if the man is pro-choice I'm telling you I have you said it's less valid no I'm saying I have the same stance so they're so

Rileythey're also similarly wrong about their pro-choice position then I'm not saying it's wrong in any way I'm not saying anyone's wrong their pro-choice is not valid when you are a part of the group that is experiencing it then your

SPEAKER_00opinion is more valid and that goes for anything lol paladins donated $69.69 maybe she'll agree that male votes should only count at three fifths

SPEAKER_00as much as a woman's vote on abortion seems to fit into her General worldview I bet she'd support this compromise would you support the compromise three-

SPEAKER_00fifths no no I don't think that anyone's right should be taken away Sons of Liberty donated $69 if forced to choose would you rather

SPEAKER_00date a trump supporter or MS13 gang member would rather say no to socialism Trump 2024 Trum supporter it's a it's a gang gang member dangerous gang what

Brian Atlaskind of gang yeah what kind a very serious like dangerous uh I guess I don't know what that isal they're violent criminal

Brian Atlasorganization criminal gang violence drugs violence I believe it's I believe it's a uh

Rileyshould I yes it's a Mexican gang yeah Mexican gang so would you rather date a trump supporter or a what is

Rileyit3 I would say Trump supporter okay which you pick um I would say it doesn't really matter you got to pick one no because I can't I can't pick one because being a trump supporter isn't all you

Fernare in life and being a gang member is all you are life but if you're a criminal but the only thing is if you're what they Criminal no they um like are they like killing people like I don't know killing people selling drugs most

Rileydangerous like gang ever like they kill people cartel it's a cartel exactly okay then a trump supporter Trump supporter a

Brian Atlastrump supporter Trump trump H okay that's an interesting one so I have no idea where we were we were talking about

SPEAKER_00oh can can you be sexist towards men yeah of course hold on graffit toag donated TTS man thank you should the entire voting population get a say on

SPEAKER_00whether or not we have the death penalty by your logic shouldn't only the victim's family have a say in whether murderers get the death penalty that's a good argument I ever said that this is totally not related to

Rileydating but I'm against the death penalty completely this is unated cuz nobody ever said that men shouldn't have the right to vote on abortion

Rileywhoever that is is arguing with a wall right now cuz nobody ever said that I never said that nobody here ever said that I said that I find that there's more weight in a woman's opinion

Madisonon abortion because it is the woman who's having the abortion I never said that they can't vote on it and they can't have an opinion on it what if a woman hasn't had an abortion but she's still pro-choice do you think do you

Rileystill think her opinion is less valid well because you still have but you said people that experience yeah so if you're a woman who is sexually active you're

Rileystill experiencing the fear of what if I get pregnant and something goes wrong and I need to have an abortion nobody wants to have an abortion that's a scary thought to have so even if you haven't had one you still if you're a sexually

Rileyactive woman you have that fear in your life you can like stop that fear though how can you stop that fear don't have sex well there you go that's a completely different story I'm talking

Rileyabout if you're a sexually active women which a lot are cuz the abortion problem is obviously not a problem for a woman who's not having sex because you can't get pregnant if you don't have sex so if

SPEAKER_00you're having sex you have that fear okay I have something on that Giovani Jade you donated $69 slave owners should have more weight

SPEAKER_00on slavery since they're the ones owning slaves women should have more weight on abortions since they're the ones having abortions [ __ ] idiot slavery is no longer a thing I don't know if you guys are aware not in

SPEAKER_00all countries I think we're just talking about well put Giovani well LOL paladins donated

SPEAKER_00$69.69 I'm sure that's why she also supports gun rights because an armed Invader into your home is scary so she'd support keeping a gun by the bed to

Fernsolve that fear what would you guys date a gun owner yeah of course yeah everybody been there done that yeah been there done that okay I mean it's like

Rileythat they're safe they have the permit yeah like these topics are not something that's like a if you're a gun owner a trump supporter that is not who you are as a person that's just a part of your

SPEAKER_00life it depends take it then that's who they are doc venis everywhere donated $69.69 no surprise that racist mandress

SPEAKER_00white chicks in the panel will be voting for communism can you Communists name one policy she proposed other than abortion BTW you are racist for not

Avawanting to date Mexicans okay did you say that no I did not say wait who want to date Mexican wow oh yeah so racist so racist I think

Rileyit's because like right before we clarified that it was a Mexican King and that's like no it's like there's gang members and it's like sure you G and

Brian Atlasthere's Mur or some wait what anybody W policy from CA comma oh my Goda Comm

RileyHasa Willa I like Hera I you are 35 you can say this are you even

Rileytrying thought You2 in a sentence camea Cala camel camela you saying you put a a c after a sentence you put me and her

Paytonboth have a question are you 35 I thought you were 32 he's 35 35 oh okay yeah that's what I heard you right where do I get my water uh

Paytonso one policy from CA you want us to name her policies everybody or

SPEAKER_00just grao tagged donated $200 it's called an analogy doesn't have to be a perfect one toone comparison you get the point it's about who society

SPEAKER_00says gets to say when it comes to ending another person's life whether born or unborn yo graffo tagged man how much money has this guy spent he's a he's a

Brian Atlaslegend hold on oh Nick can you open stream deck My Stream dang graffo I was about to play a little thing for you but it got bugged can you open stream deck for me I don't know what's going on got

Brian Atlasbugged boys wait so no policy here I was going to play this yeah you can X out of it or actually just leave it open it's

Brian Atlasprobably should be fine and then I was going to play He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer can we get OBS back

Brian Atlashello uh you can move that I don't need it on just minimize that works too uh He's a brave and decent man he's a Pioneer wait I'm a little confused

Brian Atlasthough so like you said wait so w a woman's word on abortion has more weight right but it isn't that essentially like it's

Brian Atlasan opinion on who gets to have an opinion sort of cuz cuz neither males or females have get pregnant on their

Brian Atlasown let me finish my thing hold on neither males nor females have a monopoly on what is right or

Brian Atlaswrong so while these the I I suppose while the ramifications of this topic may have more immediate effect on uh pregnant

Brian Atlaswomen uh I don't think this disqualifies uh men from forming well-reasoned beliefs on the topic yeah I don't either in the same way like let's say there was a really solid male

Rileypro-choice Advocate would you be like well I don't know your arguments don't have weight because you're a man yeah wait just because he agrees with me doesn't mean I'm going to change my

Rileystance on that well you wouldn't change your stance if he agrees with you yeah my a whole thing I just said right now I'll say it again is the reason I'm

Rileysaying it holds more weight is because it's the women who are experiencing it just because a man is pro-choice and agrees with me doesn't mean I'm going to say oh yeah he's more right than the pro-life guy men don't experience having

Brian Atlasabortions whether they're pro-life or pro-choice right but we have both men and women have uh mental faculties and can come to determinations about a wide Myriad of

Brian Atlasissues that might not necessarily impact them but they can look at the reason and logic and arguments from both sides and come to determination whether they have

Rileya penis or vagina is kind of irrelevant it's not though because the experience that you have when you are actually the one physically experiencing something is going to be

Brian Atlasdifferent than somebody hearing about it do you think a male gynecologist has a perhaps a bit more understanding of uh female genital

RileyAnatomy than a woman put other way around do you mean do you do I think a female has more you said a male would have gist do you think a male

Brian Atlasgynecologist might actually have a bit more insight when it comes to gynec gyne oh my God I can't pronounce this word gynecological issues than just like a

Brian Atlassay an average woman um yeah because they studi because they studied it so a man could study the arguments when it comes to abortion and perhaps L paladins donated

SPEAKER_00$69.69 men do experience being on the receiving end of abortions 50% of aborted babies are male but I don't think she thinks of them as people just

SPEAKER_00keep compartmentalizing them as a clump of cells do you want to respond to you want to respond to that

Rileyor what is there to respond to don't make me press the Crickets 50% ofed babies are male what kind of point is that no

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