ADDRESSING DRAMA! Brian CONFRONTS Hater Girl Who Called The Podcast DUMB?! | Dating Talk #191

Date: 2024-08-28

Duration: 6h 54m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLexi (Escort)>

PPayton (pay_irl)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00(audience)

SPEAKER_05Lexie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Payton(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Riley(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ava(guest)

SPEAKER_13Fern(guest)

Key Moments

OtherFern reveals her ex-boyfriend had a sexual encounter with her male best friend.

“Fern explains her on-off boyfriend (100+ breakups) turned out to be on the DL. Someone told her after their final breakup. She reconciled with the best friend.”

OtherRiley openly says she would go on a date with Lexi over the Chilean soldier guest (a man) sitting at the table.

“Brian asks Riley if she would go on a date with the Chilean soldier (a male guest). Riley says no — and she would go on a date with Lexi instead. "Brutal mogged" reaction.”

OtherPayton physically intervened when her boyfriend was held at gunpoint.

“Payton describes being with her marijuana-dealing boyfriend when an acquaintance pulled a gun. She grabbed a bottle and smashed it over the attacker's head. Police report followed.”

OtherAva and friends sold their bikini bottoms to a man at a nude beach for $100 each.

“Ava describes how an older man at a nude beach offered to buy their panties for $100; they negotiated up, went to his car, and sold them. Describes preparing them for sniffing.”

ControversyBrian and Lexie argue about whether she can claim to want traditional treatment while doing sex work.

“Brian points out that Lexie does OnlyFans and escorting, so it's inconsistent to want traditional chivalrous treatment. Lexie says she wouldn't want her boyfriend doing those things anyway so it doesn't apply. Extended back-and-forth.”

OtherRiley's crack cocaine admission — viewer's "ex-boyfriend" donation claims she smoked crack with him.

“A viewer donates claiming to be Riley's ex and says she smoked crack with him. Riley denies it was recent. Admits to smoking crack twice in her life total.”

OtherMan vs bear debate: all four panelists prefer the bear, leading to discussion about male danger.

“Brian poses the would-you-rather with a random man or random bear in the forest. All women except Payton (contextual) choose bear. Discussion of what percentage of men are dangerous.”

OtherSelf-rating round: guests rate themselves 1-10 (no 7 allowed) and rate Brian.

“Ava 6.5, Riley 8, Fern face 8/total 5, Madison 5 (declines to rate Brian). Payton rates Brian 7.2. Fern and Riley rate Brian 4.5. Ava rates Brian 6. Chat says girls over-ranked themselves.”

OtherBrian addresses Jake Shields Twitter drama — responds to claim podcast divides sexes and Daily Wire buying the show.

“Brian reads his tweet response to Jake Shields, pointing out Jake appeared on similar format shows himself. Denies Daily Wire acquisition. Mentions Cernovich also stirred drama. Guests react. Old scammer drama update deferred.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and guest introductions

Brian opens show. Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Pre-show no-shows mentioned. Kiki (plush cat) introduced.

Relationship status round

Riley: 6-month situationship, sees guy 3-4x/week, not exclusive, deleted Tinder. Ava: single a few months, ended relationship under 1 year ago, bisexual. Lexie: single ~3 years, celibate. Fern: single ~1 year, 8-month situationship cooling down. Payton: single 7 years, celibate 4 years. Madison: boyfriend (works for podcast).

STI testing and sexual health practices

Lexi advocates STI testing before every partner, dental dams, and "dick checks". Discussion of risks of oral sex and STIs. Riley shares vape with Lexi; Brian objects due to Lexie's sex work.

Who should pay on the first date

Ava and Fern: go 50/50 or expect man to pay if he explicitly invited. Riley: depends on invitation. Payton/Lexie: women should pay. Brian argues paying is the optimal chess move but questions whether modern women deserve chivalry. Payton offered to pay on recent dates, wonders if that was wrong.

Prostitution legalization debate

Should prostitution be legalized? Payton: should be illegal, including for buyers; would reduce harm to society including porn. Others: legalization makes it safer. Brian: doesn't think prostitution is good but uncertain on policy position.

Relationship transparency and body count

Should Brian disclose he never wants to marry? Should women disclose body count? Lexi's OnlyFans / sex work vs claiming to be traditional. Brian argues you can't claim chivalrous treatment if you're not a traditional woman.

Body count discussion

Is caring about body count immature or insecure? Riley: hypocritical if man has high count but demands low count from women. Fern and Lexie: preference, not immature. Lexie declines to state her number on this episode.

Man vs bear debate

Would you rather encounter a random man or random bear in the forest? Ava, Riley, Lexie, Fern: bear. Payton: man (contextual). Discussion of what percentage of men would victimize a woman. Estimates range: Lexie 50%, Riley 10%, Fern ~10-15%, Payton ~1-2%.

Feminism and gender equality

Are guests feminists? Definition debate. Discussion of legal equality vs social treatment differences. Women being tipped more than men. Male bias against male elementary school teachers. Military draft and selective service: should women register?

Racism and racial discrimination debate

Can you be racist towards white people? Riley argues racism requires power differential (prejudice+power definition). Brian pushes back with standard definition. Extended back-and-forth.

Self-ratings (1-10 scale, no 7)

Viewer "Stiffler" asks guests to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Ava: 6.5. Riley: 8. Fern: face 8 / total 5. Madison: 5. Payton: 6.5. Guests rate Brian: Payton 7.2, Fern 4.5, Riley 4.5, Ava 6. Madison declines (has a boyfriend). Chat calls girls over-ranked.

Pay gap and women in workforce

Brian argues doubling the labor pool by pushing women into workforce lowered wages and caused cost of living crisis. Mating pressure from women (providers) explains wage motivation gap. Guests push back with general disagreement but limited counterarguments.

Bowing to your partner discussion

React to video of woman bowing to partner. Would guests bow for a boyfriend? Madison: yes. Payton: yes if good provider. Others: no. Brian contrasts willingness to have sex with strangers but not perform traditional acts of submission.

Twitter drama: Jake Shields

Jake Shields (MMA fighter) tweeted that Whatever podcast is designed to divide sexes and make women look dumb. Claimed Daily Wire is trying to buy the show. Brian reads his full response tweet pointing out Jake appeared on same format shows, denies Daily Wire acquisition talks. Also mentions Cernovich drama. Old drama (scammer update) deferred to another episode.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdistracting yeah so we were talking about oh male promiscuity drives female promiscuity yeah uh so I think I was just kind of trying to make the uh Point

Lexiehere that while some there are certainly uh some proportion damn relax mad it's all good birds are my biggest fear why are birds

Madisonyour biggest fear I think it's is it under the table did they get bird [ __ ] on the roof on the ceiling no like that black spot was definitely not there what black spot you see that black spot I do see that maybe

Brian Atlasthat was a dragon so uncomfortable don't worry okay leave those things open they'll make their way out so yeah I'm pretty sure that uh there

Brian Atlasare more promiscuous let's start with this let's start with my claim here okay there are more promiscuous women than there are promiscuous men do you agree or disagree how do you define

Brian Atlaspromiscuous so when I'm talking about promiscuous I'm not talking about like the desire or the want I'm talking about actually taking an action

Brian Atlasso a man could desire for example to want to sleep with a new woman every single day mhm of the week yeah most men

Brian Atlascan't do that 99.99% of men can't do that uh but he's not able to actually act on his

Brian Atlasdesires I'm talking about the actual action of like regularly hooking up with people so when I'm talk so that's what I'm talking about when I'm saying prom

Avasecuity so I mean my my claim has nothing to do with that as much as it is just that I think that you know at a certain point

Avain society there was a norm that is now changed and I think that men are the leaders and enforcers

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Brian Atlasyou please try play find an owl sound or something are you saying like men were promiscuous first kind of I'd say that

Avalike the culture just like shifted in men have historically been had more power in the culture um and had the

Avaleading position in relationships so well I think that's kind of why the shift happened but I also I would also go back to what I said of I think it's

Avakind of like an irrelevant conversation to have um and that I am kind of a hypocrite and I'm not like super strong on this on this stance the we're totally

Brian Atlasoff of the hypocrisy you already conceited so now we're speaking about the actual claim that so the claim here male promiscuity drives female promis cuy agree or disagree are women The

AvaGatekeepers of sex I would say that that's irrelevant how is it irrelevant because well because I think

Brian Atlasit's a it's a two-way thing but that's not part of my but but this this ties into my argument of while there are

Brian Atlaspromiscuous men and promiscuous women it's my belief that there are more promiscuous women who can act on their promiscuity as compared to uh promiscuous men I mean I just like to

Avasee like the if we I mean I just I don't know like I genuinely I I I don't know how to answer that question I mean you can make arguments either way who's the gatekeeper who's the gatekeeper of sex

Avamen or women um in what

Avaprobably women yeah okay I'm willing to like concede if you I'm willing to have my mind changed

Brian AtlasI should say if yeah I'll I'll indulge you yeah probably women okay and so you said but you said male promiscuity drives female

Brian Atlaspromiscuity but if women are The Gatekeepers of sex isn't the blame to be laid on women for their their own

Brian Atlaspromiscuity but it's not to wait oh my God I feel like your mind [ __ ] me right now wait say that again say that again aren't yeah aren't women to blame

Avafor their own promiscuity yeah I'm just going to say like the greater cultural shift I think is

Avalike men it okay are women to blame for their own promiscuity I would say that a lot of times like the culture has shifted so

Avathat like women think that if they have sex it'll lead to somewhere that it's not going to lead if they put out earlier but yeah sure yeah I'll Contin

Avahonestly I'm not going to try and I'm not going to try and fight you on this like I'll I'll concede to that cuz uh Nick Al noise sorry guys we have birds in the studio so we're going to see if the owl

Paytonnoises it's on the light right there can I please go grab it can I lock myself in the bathroom I'll go grab it with my hands and put it outside I'm willing

Brian Atlasto all right stop that [ __ ] that's [ __ ] obnoxious and it's not doing anything Brian what's up can I just go grab it with my hands and put it outside please it's going to let you grab it's

Brian Atlasnot going to let you grab it I'll be I'm very careful I deal with nature all the time if it comes down here you can get it but okay not going to have you go up there sorry guys [ __ ]

Brian AtlasBirds The Matrix The Matrix is attacking us they sent some birds to [ __ ] up the stream bro oh man graffo by the way hot

Brian Atlasthe owl sounds did not work whatsoever so uh very unfortunate

Brian Atlasvery unfortunate uh here so yeah uh okay where were we I was just saying does no that point I don't feel super strongly about you don't have any thoughts on

Brian Atlasthis you don't have any I'm lost in this conversation yeah I have thoughts wait what was the original question okay so so the original question was she said M

Rileymale promiscuity drives female promise I was trying to be contrarian and yeah um to that question I don't really have an answer but from what you were saying

Rileyearlier of who I think the gatekeeper of sex is I would say women because usually we're the ones that um are kind of allowing it to happen or not because

Rileymost of the time it's not a girl pressuring a guy into sex it'll be a guy pressuring a girl into sex so to that question I do have an answer well and even removing pressuring into it who's more likely to make the other person

Rileywait for sex The man or the woman most likely the woman and back to what we were talking about a while ago

Rileyabout um commitment and stuff a lot of women will not have sex just to prevent

Rileybeing used for sex so that's why women will prevent it just to see a man's true intentions okay yeah I mean ultimately

Brian Atlasthough what I think you cuz going back to the original claim male promiscuity drives female promiscuity there's definitely promiscuous men out there of course

Brian Atlasbut I guess I I'd like to frame it like this any woman any woman can be a [ __ ] very few men can be a [ __ ] do you think

Madisonmaybe you said that because like more of the very few men that can be a [ __ ] are more vocal about it because it's more socially acceptable so you hear more about it versus like women being

Madisonsecretive and sneaky about being promiscuous or maybe I'm just like totally talking something else but um I

Paytondon't think that's why yeah I I would actually disagree with Brian on something in which I think

Paytonit is it's obviously easier for women to get sex if they want sex but I think it is more socially acceptable for men to sleep with multiple women

Avathan for women to sleep with multiple men and I think that women kind of try to like with that yeah I don't I don't disagree with

Rileythat okay we're in agree I don't think that's wrong though no I don't think that's wrong either like there's reasons I think I

Paytonthink this question in general is kind of like a bit irrelevant I feel like it's a kind of a confusing question yeah I think it's relevant in which we're talking about dating and so women

Paytondefinitely are The Gatekeepers of sex but obviously men do initiate wanting to have sex more than women want

Paytonto but I don't I don't think that men premise has any effect imagine if it pooped on one of us no it did it pooped on the light it had its tail on the

Paytonlight and I saw it poop in the light I swear I'm not it's not a joke I'm being very serious I'm not cleaning I probably will poop straight

Brian Atlasinto the light I'll clean it MADD W Maddie she will clean the bird poop uh okay well I'll move on um you said that nobody that goes on the show

Brian Atlasis representative of the population most people are still pretty normal and reasonable yeah on this pod had a lot of people on the show yeah I would say that like

Avagenerally like if you were to just take a random sample of women like these are more like social media but women how

Avamany have se but it's like there's a slightly higher population of like that aren't okay oh thank we only have one left but I mean yeah I think it's like it's like somewhat of a oh it's up there

Avaon the window mhm wait I kind of want to throw give me a ladder don't throw anything uh throw the baby I body I thought everybody sent in this many like

Paytonlonger list how many episodes how many episodes have you seen stats it I mean I'm sure how many episodes have you seen that you came to

Avathat conclusion um like I I've seen a lot of clips and then maybe like so not full episodes episodes I don't know yeah I I could be like I could be WR I think

Avagenerally when people are going on like big podcasts and stuff like that like it's not there's a lot of people that you would consider more like normal low lowkey like not on social media and that

Avaare like trying to be YouTubers or o models or whatever that like there are definitely some normal people but I would say that the like the the um demographic is like not as represented

Paytonas it would be in just a normal population what I disagree with that is I am just like a normal person like I may be a streamer but I definitely am just a normal I think that streamers are

Paytondefinitely like a more special out there type of person I don't think so I I would disagree with you on that okay and why I disagree with you is because I think like I can I can see what you're

Paytonsaying but I think there are streamers that are just trying to be real and be honest and and they're just normal people like I've I've said my real opinions on my stream or on here and

Avayeah yeah and I think that some people are just trying to be normal people whether or not they're on streams or not is a it's a very specific type of person I'm not saying you're like abnormal but it's is a specific type of person um

Avathat will put themselves out in the Limelight like that um and are you saying like kind of just I say most people would not like all of my friends when it was on the DMS when he was like

Avado you have any friends that want to go on this like I I'm the only person out of my friends that like goes on YouTube and stuff and out of all of us like none of them they were like absolutely not I don't want to go on something like that

Avabut so would you consider one of the people that you're talking about what wait like you said there certain types of people yeah yeah no I'm definitely not so you're saying a normal

Paytonperson but I'm saying that's almost um opposite of what you're saying about how it's not the real people like would you consider yourself a real person say isn't representative of like the average

Paytonbut are you representative of the average person okay I'm representative of me exactly that's what I mean being your own person is different from just

Avabeing on a podcast also being person you get the general if you were to do a poll of like everybody that came on this podcast and pull them on their opinions on whatever the main topics are and do a poll of that and what the general

Avaaverage would be obviously every single person is their own person but then if you were to do that versus take a poll of the general population of women of people that maybe not be not inclined to

Madisongo on this podcast it may be different is what I'm saying you get what I'm like you little bit yeah even when we do try to get average people and say like we

Madisonpull them off the street or something they still have like their views obviously that kind of represent like the different extreme examples of whatever they want to share

Paytonsometimes yeah I feel like that happens also even if they don't say it they still have them you know what I mean and I wasn't trying to make you concede your arent I was just saying

Paytonwith your responses it just seemed a little hypocritical to yourself being on the podcast if you consider yourself a real person that happens to be on a podcast no I'm not I'm not how is how is

Paytonthat hypocritical just of your argument that you typed into to the podcast that's all that I meant but why because you were saying that the people that were on the podcast you wouldn't consider them like real people that you

Avawould take no i' say that it's not representative of the average person and you don't consider yourself just an average person and I don't think that that's that has a negative or a positive connotation to it at all oh no I I agree with that well we have some stats here

Brian AtlasNick if you can pull up the stats we'll skip all the way to uh okay well yeah next next it's I'm pretty sure it's the

Brian Atlaslast one that I want oh yeah you can stay average age 25 next uh next

Brian Atlasnext so this I think this is the interesting one because okay well one of the criticisms we get is you just this

Brian Atlasis an O advertising agency blah blah blah and you just bring on a bunch of off girls and sex workers but we've it's

Avaless than 20% it's about 20 exactly okay oh excuse me yeah but I mean yeah I mean that's higher than the average population if you were to pull like every woman in the United States like the I'd say the a

Brian Atlaslike there's what like 1 to 2% sex work but this idea that like the like for example we have one sex worker on the panel yeah last show we had what nine

Brian Atlasgirls no sex workers the show before that I'm trying to I think no only fans grow like so maybe we'll like if you average it out I think this accounts or

Brian Atlaslike if you look at it if you if we have a panel of nine women on the show one one of them is a sex worker if you average it out across all our shows

Avaso yeah I mean I'm that's my only claim is that it's not representative of the average population and I think that that's conveyed there and I think that it's wait but hold on if if eight out of

Avathe nine panelists are not sex workers you just showed the statistic that said it's 20% of your podcast guests just because you have three anecdotes

Brian Atlasrecently okay so if one or two of the panelists on a 10 member panel are sex workers that's not representative of the average so what do you have to say about

Avathe other eight women who are on the panel who are not sex workers if I could put in my other point which was the point that I was making a little bit ago is that people that are content creators and people because a lot of people on

Avahere they come on here entrepreneurs content creators and stuff and that's the specific personality type um are you an Entertainer no are you I'm notur no

Brian Atlasyou got no she's a 19-year-old college girl 19-year-old colle I'm just saying that there's a higher percentage that come on here

Brian Atlasversus so if 80% of the people are representative is the podcast in general representative but we're not saying 80%

Brian Atlasof the people I'm saying it you're saying that just 20% aren't sex workers but it's also like a specific okay fine then fine for like the kind of goofballs who aren't sex workers but they're

Avaweirdos let's just say it's 70% I'd say that it's not as representative as like data

Avapulling population just the average population okay and that's just the point that I sent to you on the questionnaire okay but so the clim

Brian Atlasso you are you saying so one of the big things that comes up on the show comes to promiscuity but even you seem to

Brian Atlasadmit that uh hookup culture is the reality right yeah it's okay so then I don't think it's not like if we have

Brian Atlaswomen who come on the show and they're like here's how promiscuous I am I don't think that that's painting a picture of society that is uh miscar characterized whether whether they come

Brian Atlason the show or not you got a bunch of people out there mostly women who are hyper promiscuous yeah who engage in the hookup

Brian Atlasculture okay so how is that not representative of what's actually going on in society if I have a girl who comes on and she's promiscuous how is it like not representative of what's going on

Avaoutside in the real world I'm just all that I'm saying is just that you're more likely to have that on here and it may be only by a marginal amount I'll concede that but it still is more like

Brian Atlaswe have the Other Extreme too then we'll have like devout Christian virgin and i' say most people are more in the middle that's what I would say that's all I'm saying it's perhaps the case but I would

Avasay most people are leaning more towards promiscuity and degeneracy than the reverse yeah I would just I would disagree with that I'd say that it's

Brian Atlasmost people are in a great area okay yeah I guess but you said most people are still pretty normal and reasonable it's not clear to me yeah

Brian Atlaslike I guess you just you have some more of the like extremes on here is what I've noticed sure yeah we've definitely had some pretty wild people

Brian Atlason there uh so going back since the birds came in I said I was going to ask this uh would you rather be in the forest and come AC

Brian Atlasand cross paths with a random man or random bear man okay bear bear bear

Brian Atlasman uh so it was was it bear bear bear what type of bear it's so random man random bear so it could be a polar bear could be a polar bear could be a

Brian Atlasbrown bear black bear a cub a baby cub bear bear okay so bear bear bear uh just curious why do you guys pickar

Fernbear I honestly feel unsafe walking down walking from my car to my apartment mm and if I see a random guy I get even more scared but if I see a bear I'm running away if you see a bear yeah but

Fernwith a man I just like I don't know I would rather just see a bear in the middle of the woods and a man which just that seems a little bit more normal just so just to be clear with the scenario right so you're not really thinking

Brian Atlasabout the motivations as to why the man's there so you're randomly spawned in the forest and either a random man out of the entire US population is also

Brian Atlasrandomly spawned with you or a random bear they spawn with me like it's already there you're going to cross paths with them I would still say the bear okay so

Rileywhy do you pick bear I would pick the bear because a bear is in the forest cuz that's where the bear lives it's just chilling at its home why is a man in the

Rileyforest alone that's scary thought to have why so I I just unless he has a cabin out there if he lives out so I mean I just laid out the scenario here for your friend though so you're

Brian Atlasrandomly spawned in a forest and it's either the man is randomly spawned or the woman is randomly spawned or sorry excuse me not the woman the bear is

Brian Atlasthat's what I'm saying no matter what but so but I I said you can't really think about the motivations as to why they're in the forest I asked if they were to be spawned with me so we're both

Brian Atlasbeing spawned they're both yes you're both being spawned but like maybe not right next to each other but you will cross paths but we both spawned at a different time like at the same time but you spawn in at the different times and then five minutes later you're going to

Paytoncross paths then I would rather see the man if he just spawned there okay can I add something go ahead I don't know the exact statistics but I

Paytonwork with many men that like to hike they like to Camp they like to stay in the woods they have all types of equipment and it's way more likely that

Paytona man would be in the woods for their own enjoyment doing something than trying to hunt down a woman it's it's way less likely yes there's very very

Paytonrare cases that a man is there you know to try and um saay or murder somebody but realistically men are out there to try and enjoy the Wilderness it's it's

Paytoncrazy that so many women think that a man would be there to try and harm them rather that than just enjoying the Wilderness nobody is saying that men can't enjoy their time in the woods and

Rileyno one's saying that anytime a man is in the woods he's has bad intentions but in a world where I'm in the woods and I'm alone if I see a man no camping gear no

Paytonnothing I'm going to question why he's in the woods alone but you would be more afraid to see a man than a bear in the

Lexiewoods yeah okay Lexi your answer why why do you pick bear just because it's like I wouldn't be scared to see a bear where

Lexieit lives like it's in the forest it's there I'd probably just walk right by him so I guess going into the next

Brian Atlascomponent of this question oh did sorry did you have something or looked like okay um so what you guys are doing I I imagine is you're doing a risk assessment you're think you're saying

Brian Atlasyou're saying well the bear could be dangerous but so could the man and comparatively speaking I

Brian Atlasview uh human men as more dangerous than uh Bears essentially uh so I guess it beckons the

Brian Atlasquestion then what percentage of men do you think would uh what of the random US population of men would choose to victimize you in this scenario starting

Rileywith you um I think it would be a pretty low percentage I don't think majority of men are going to use that to their advantage

Rileybut there is a good amount that would so I don't know what exact percentage I want to say for that but I would say less than 10% okay less than 10%

Brian AtlasI mean either they do you have a seat booster or did it go or no I just been sitting like this okay I don't know why um so I would [Music]

Lexiesay 50% because either they could or they couldn't right I mean not exactly how percentages work but but like you know what I mean like

Brian Atlaseither they could or they couldn't so so somebody could or they could not but that doesn't mean that there's a 50%

Brian Atlaschance that it will happen I could or could not win the lottery it doesn't mean that my chance is 50% of right winning the lottery does

Brian Atlasthat make sense like what percentage of the population of males yeah yeah it you could your by the way your

Brian Atlasanswer could still be I believe it is 50% but I just wanted to clear up that could or could not doesn't necessarily indicate

Brian Atlas50% so do you want to stick with 50% you want to change your answer either fine I just feel like it's either or like okay so so you're sticking by 50%

Lexiethen there's like a chance where it could happen or a chance can you tilt your mic down a little bit there's a chance where it could and there's a chance where it couldn't okay okay the bear could eat you and it

Brian Atlascouldn't right all right what about you I would agree with Riley around like 10% maybe 15 at most 10% big population well it's not the highest numbers that I've

Brian Atlasheard we've heard as high as 80% uh we often hear 40 50 60% so I suppose I give you at least comparatively speaking some credit

Brian Atlasfor thinking the numberers that low uh I do think it's still exceptionally High though that one you think one out of 10 men would uh choose

Brian Atlasto victimize you in this uh situation

Brian Atlasum I guess I I do have oh Nick do you have that video the bear in the car one or did we close that do you is it in the Dropbox folder

Brian Atlasmaybe we can find it yeah would you like me to give my percentage sure 0.05 well you said man yeah yeah yeah

Paytonokay Zer it's probably like one one or two oh my God this [ __ ] bird is I want to get it but you won't let me get it how you going to get it bir when it's on the light I could easily grab it I

Paytondeal with birds constantly you can't I swear to you are you 30 ft tall no no no I'm saying when it's on the light up the stairs I could grabb it not right now it it's hard to

Paytonlike focus with the bird I'm not sure how to deal with the is this the first time it's happened I think we had a maybe something we've had bug you should get one of those like

Paytonbetter than a crow at least for the doors no it keeps trying the windows and it just doesn't know see right there I could easily grab that and you guys are refusing to allow me to and that's really upsetting to me I just that's

Lexiewhat I'm yeah just do it because should we just like do we just harass it and then it no just grab it with my hands it's easy what percentage can focus on the podcast without getting distracted

Brian Atlasby the birds not me because I can't focus with the birds okay guys I'm going to here come with me I'll let you try to okay he's like asking me a freaking do a

Madisoncarry conversation no oh I don't want to knock this down that be nice go ahead please car the I'm sorry I just

Madisoncan't focus right now it's a lot going on um it said to rate ourselves would you rather be oh yeah let's all go around the table and ra for people who said

Madisonbear would you rather be in the ocean and what's the question have what girl be surrounded by a shark or a man a

Madisonman obviously if I was stred in the ocean then a man because hopefully he could help me but why couldn't help you in the in I'm not drowning in the forest we you

Rileycould be swimming in the ocean yeah but after swimming for a while your body gives out and then you drown and die but in the forest I could I could survive for a pretty long time so I wouldn't need the man's help but in the ocean I

Madisondefinitely would did all because you're coming over here and I'm going to close my eyes Brian I cannot carry the conversation if this bird is flying around me I'm sorry

Madisonbut I'm freaking out right now you said it's going to poop don't say that girl please think about feminis this a good time are you guys are you a feminist yes or

Avano no uh you can Define it in your own way I mean I'd say like if I believe that like men and women should have equal opportunity like you know there

Avashouldn't be any legal barriers to whatever they want to pursue I don't know like like I think that they should be equal in the law is a better way to put it I think they

Avashould be equal in the law do you think there are laws that are unequal I don't I'm not super familiar with the law legal

Avaor stuff who's whistling but I mean I'm not like I think that we are pretty much equal right now like at least women are I mean are you going to go towards the argument

Avaof like men have legal disadvantages or something no I was just going to say okay cuz I think that we already are equal yeah so I'm like I don't know what the

Avapurpose of it is past that but I mean yeah I'm in support of that I would say I'm a feminist in what way like how do you

Madisondescribe um Define wanting equality between men and women what inequalities exist right

Rileynow a lot that I'm not going to try to bring up because I would have to sit here and remember remember everything and I don't feel like doing that right now but there definitely are

Rileyinequalities not laws or anything written on paper but even just in general just the way women and men are treated what are those

Brian Atlasways or just name like one you don't have to dig deep into everything but yeah but then I have to like really dig deep and like think about everything and I don't feel like it damn wait you're

Brian Atlasyou've come on to a show to like talk about this sort of stuff so think think about it and then you can come back to me if you ask okay did we get are you a

Madisonfeminist already answered so so no yes no or what was she said yes I mean I think that we are equal I'm for

Brian Atlasequity and I think we have that so yes feminist yes feminist no feminist yes yes feminist okay all I think it's a loaded it's a

Avaloaded term cuz there are some people that claim to be fist that areally now because there's like so many like I don't know I feel like people take it to an extreme but I just feel like we need

Brian Atlasto like come back down to where fism really was well let's start with this question then um do you think that when it comes to

Brian Atlasrights or any laws are there any laws that exist that are um unequal or any rights that men have that women don't

Brian Atlaslet's start there law wise no law wise no okay and then more broadly speaking when it comes to um I think you said societally

Brian Atlasor she said treatment treatment so I guess Society you sure so how you've had a bit of time have you come up with anything

Rileyor just the general treatment of women and men is different how so the way that

Rileysomebody the way that a man will talk to me versus a way a man will talk to for example at my job the way I'll get talked to versus a buser who is a male

Rileywill be different and it won't be for any reason other than because it's a woman and a man wouldn't you say that's because men and women are different no I'm just saying wouldn't

Rileythat couldn't you say that that's evidence of uh all so so is that uh sexism depends on what the thought

Rileyprocess is of the person who's saying do you get paid tips yeah okay isn't the case that women tend to make more tips than

Avamen no yeah I I feel like no I remember I used to be server and I looked at statistics or okay yeah it depends on the restaurant if it's at like Hooters or something obviously women are going

Brian Atlasto make more at our restaurant we all get paid the same tips it's all divided equally not no some restaurants I mean yeah there's pooling at some restaurants

Brian Atlasbut other places it's going to be like whatever your tips are are your tips even if it is pooling it's like who's bringing in more I think they generally when it comes to tips I think they make

Avaabout about the same I remember I was like looking at like stats on this on how like things people can do to get higher tips um and and it was showing like differences and like appearance and

Avadifferent demographics there have been pretty comprehensive studies on this women are tipped more than men I just did a Google search Okay Okay pro pro them wrong then

Brian AtlasI can see but so I mean so are you talking about the preferential sexist treatment that you received I'm just talking about

Rileywhen ites to General treatment just generally the way you'd get treated whether it's Better or Worse you'll get treated differently for your gender and that's just the facts it could be better

Rileysometimes if you go to a gas station maybe the guy will give you something for free because he thinks you're hot but either way so is that a privilege or no I'm just saying either way it could be better or worse there's just it's

Rileyjust different okay and then if anything what if the gas station worker is sexist and he hates women so he overcharges you because he thinks you're dressed like a

Brian Atlas[ __ ] or something like it just depends yeah or what about like the whole you know educational system which is predominated by women especially for young childhood education and these

Brian Atlaswomen tend to have a bias against men and so they tend to uh when it comes to uh assessments uh for students they will more favorably they will give more

Brian Atlasfavorable grades to women on the pure basis of them being women I've never heard that in it's absolutely a thing I'm just saying I've never heard that in

Brian Atlasmy 19 years of life are uh Elementary School teachers more likely to be men or women women you don't know no I

Brian Atlasmeaned huh like my my school is pretty divided yeah we had like I had more male teachers in my life in elementary school yeah okay well perhaps yours was an outlier but if I were to present

Brian Atlasstatistics to you that showed that there were more in uh in the kindergarten through sixth grade there's more female teachers than male teachers why does that matter I would

Brian Atlasagree though oh it matters a lot but why well one the men don't have any sort of male role models in the school environment but then secondly uh there is preferential you're saying that in

Brian Atlassociety men will perhaps have uh treat people differently right you don't think women do that or are women perfect angels that have no biases have no don't

Brian Atlasdo any sort of preferential treatment no I never said that you just said that I never said that so then you would agree then if if you're saying that women do have biases that if there was a

Brian Atlasdisproportionate amount of women in uh elementary school education that they would have a tendency to be biased towards the women or excuse me the girls I'm confused why you're bringing up

Rileyteachers because in the end I don't think are you trying to say that administrations won't hire a teacher because he's a man because probably that's not what I'm

Rileythat's not what I'm arguing but yes there's probably women that are studying to be a teacher then that's just that's just what happens but I don't think that there's going to be a man out there who studies to be a teacher goes through

Rileycollege applies and then they look at his credentials and they say you've done all the same stuff as all these women that are teachers but we're not going to hire you because you're a man but would you make a similar argument about hiring

Brian Atlaspractices when it comes to women well for examp [Music] example this well this is a I'm not really the one here who needs to make the argument because this is a feminist position that there's discrimination

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to job hiring practices towards women yeah but you brought up the teacher thing that's what I'm talking about but you're saying that for an example you're saying it can't possibly

Brian Atlasexist that there's any bias against men in job hiring but you wouldn't say I didn't say that uh you kind of did because you're like well I don't think if they went to

Brian Atlasthe college and they did this that there would exist any biases that would make it harder for them to get a job when it came to dealing with children for example I would argue that there's a

Brian Atlasvery strong bias against H male babysitters or having a male working in a child daycare I would

Brian Atlasargue most people there's a bias that will exist in both men and women would they have a preference for a female or a male to handle the child care uh they would I agree with you I think there is

Brian Atlasa bias and so there's a similar and so for elementary school right it's dealing with young children there is an uh anti-il bias I don't think it's

Brian AtlasJustified but there is an anti-male bias when it comes to uh Elementary School teachers and a lot of men who who would love to be Elementary School teachers have been pushed out of that career

Rileybecause of this bias that exists towards men when it comes to dealing with young children okay and so the reason that that bias exists is because statistically that not that we're

Rileysupposed to bring it this up but statistically uh well I'm okay make your point I'm GNA because you said I can't say this word but statistically the majority of people who

Brian Atlasare attracted to children are men and you could look that up it's majority I'm not sure I disagree with that because that well there's a

Brian Atlascouple things here so first off you hear week after week day after day stories of female teachers having well graping their

Brian Atlasstudents but I don't hear that that often H honly to be honest personally I don't it's actually more common it's more common than the male Professor or not male uh the male teacher than with

Paytonfemale student could you look this up yes I've seen multiple stories recently in my specific area in Massachusetts there was a female teacher recently that

Paytonactually sa a male student in middle school had his baby lied to his parents about it and then he found out years

Rileylater when she was in jail that it was his biological son and to that I would say sad story obviously terrible but I

Paytonsaid statistically majority men can throw her bone too women sex statistically especially in recent years there's been I I could look it up

Paytonif I had my phone but but there has been statistically many more female teachers that have essayed male students mult

Avathere's even been stories yes if if if I could interject and I I don't know who's correct here like but it could be it just like that I mean you very well could be right that would be like

Avasurprising to me but it I'm thinking maybe it could be like in the news more often those situations because it's so like crazy to think of like cuz it cuz

Avait like throws off our expectations to think that like a woman would do that so maybe that's why it's in the news because it's just the most like Outland just outlandish not outlandish but like

Paytonextreme headline but like surpris little credit it it would be more newsworthy for you know them to to send that message but I

Avathink any teacher that essays a student is going to be on the news I mean Poss possibly but I do think that like but if anything you could just look up this

Rileystatistic so we know for sure yeah we could Brian would don't know cuz I don't know any exact numbers but from from life that I've settle our argument it's

Rileybeen majority men that I've seen and that's why that bias exists which I'm not saying that's right because there's great teachers that are male that want to be teachers and I don't think it's

Rileyfair for them to be rejected from teaching if that's their passion but I'm saying that there is a bias and there's a reason for that bias can I ask you a question would you be more likely to leave if you do you want kids one day

Brian AtlasI'm not sure let's say you did have kids you more likely to leave them with a female babysitter or male babysitter what would be your

Rileypreference I think I would meet them cuz if if it's a female and she seems like a freak then I'm not going to leave my kids with her so depending on they're

Brian Atlasequally qualified they're equally qualified neither of them they they're equally qualified they're both seem seem like good people you don't have a leaning

Rileytowards I would lean towards the same gender of whatever gender my kid is so if I have a male kid then I I would probably lean towards having a male

Rileybabysitter and then if I have a female kid I'd lean turn towards a female babysitter same gender same role model they understand each other they could

Rileyteach each other things it's like a 2-year-old okay well the older woman can teach the young girl stuff and then if I

Brian Atlashave a boy then then there's a older role model for him okay all right I actually do think that's a pretty fair argument yeah uh but so are there any other

Brian Atlasexamples of uh I guess the inequality that exist exists between uh men and women not that I can think of at the top of my head right now just the unequal

Rileytreatment what do you think about uh the draft are you familiar with that yeah just that men are being drafted to the war well if that were to happen not right now everyone should be drafted so

Brian Atlasdo you think uh women should be subject to forced military conscription maybe everyone was qualified obiously I don't think women exactly should be but but

Rileywhy not wouldn't statistically and physically men are stronger so you know what if if it's a woman that's same strength as a man cuz I think that the reason that men are being drafted is

Rileyjust because they're physically stronger and it's War it's not something light so that's the reason I'm assuming that they're choosing men to be drafted and not women well then should women be

Brian Atlasbarred from volunteering from the military no oh but I thought men are stronger than women why and when women do join the military they get paid the exact same

Brian Atlasamount because it's government mandated so if you're if you're X rank in the military whether you're man or woman you're going to get paid the exact same amount the men and women I'm assuming I've never been in the military go

Rileythrough the same workouts and probably are similar in strength and a woman that's in the military is going to be strong that's going to be a strong woman she works out a lot they go through a lot of intense training yeah but okay so

Rileyif you put a man and a woman through the same exact training do you think they're going to come out the same equal strength no

Brian Atlasbecause men develop muscle faster and they're just so what do you think in addition to that also the the physical requirements to join are different hail

SPEAKER_00and well met oh look who Paladin donated $200 and2 just look uprate of convictions of teachers essing students it's actually pretty similar numbers although there

Brian Atlasare more female teachers but the men had twice as long jail sentences yo L paladins thank you for the TTS man uh do you know what it is per

Brian Atlascapita cuz you do say it's there are more female teachers so per are you talking per capita or like this is accounting for per capita uh so going

Brian Atlasback to the whole strength thing uh yeah I mean it's not clear to me if the women who join the military are anywhere near as strong as

Paytontheir male counterparts in the military could I add something to her point that she said earlier um the people that are

Paytonqualified but I actually have known women that have left Russia because it's not if you qualify as soon as you turn 18 if there is a war you're in the war

Paytonthere's no question whether you qualify there's no strength requirements if you're a male or female at 18 and there is a war you are sent to war there's no question so I just wanted to clarify I know we're T I don't know if he's

Paytonspecifically talking about the United States but that's the specification for Russia that I've heard personally from women okay wait are you saying that like the women are as strong as the men that are

Rileyin the military no I mean there might be some okay saying that generally is kind of impossible but there might be women that are stronger than some of the men there cuz what if there's a guy that just got

Rileyhe's fresh out of high school he's never worked out a day in his life and he went to the military cuz he doesn't want to go to school and there's a woman that's been working out her whole life and she's super buff she's probably stronger

Brian Atlasthan him but that's just it's specifics I mean honestly I would say the average male average male who joins the military

Brian Atlasis going to be stronger than 99% of all the women in the military there might be like that 1% who

Brian Atlasyeah they work out a lot but there's major just natural strength differentials between men and women yeah nobody's disagreeing with you on that I

Brian Atlasalready forgot okay fair enough but so you do think it would the equal thing would be to start drafting women do you agree with that I don't think that anybody should be forced to be in the

Brian Atlasmilitary men or women well so that's a fair statement we can say that well war is bad there shouldn't be War but given that there is war and given that that's

Brian Atlasnot something we can really get rid of uh or even if the state or country they're they're involved in the defensive War so they didn't actively

Brian Atlasseek out war war came to them they're going to defend themselves uh knowing that war really can't be avoided knowing that governments and Nations will never

Brian Atlasrelinquish their right to force its citizenry into uh a military conflict uh and given the reality that men do have to register for Selective Service should women equally have to register

Rileytoo I don't think that honestly yeah in a world I don't think that it would be smart just because physically there is a

Rileybig difference between men and women but in the world of equality and that should men be getting drafted and women shouldn't no I don't think that's right I don't think that's fair MH so I don't

Rileythink it's a smart idea because physically there's a big difference between men and women but well the military needs uh paper

Brian Atlaspushers the military needs people in support in a support capacity not every Soldier is going to be on the front line yeah so then yeah if it's the smart idea

Rileywe're talking about war here I'm not talking about I just want everything to be equal we're talking about war so if it's the smartest idea to have men and women being drafted then

Brian Atlasyeah yeah but we don't really like factor in like when it comes to uh initiatives in other Industries or

Brian Atlassectors we don't really ever have this conversation of well men are better which is kind of what you're arguing men are better at this job than women due to physical strength

Brian Atlasright but I mean that's never accounted for when we're talking about initiatives to get women over represented in in other

Brian Atlassectors um do you think let's bring it to sports do you think that uh men and women should be paid equally for examp like professional basketball

Rileyplayers do you think they should be paid equally well aren't they paid based off of how much View they get and how much people are going in to watch the games

Brian Atlasabsolutely but the male basketball male basketball players make quite a lot of money especially the stars and female basketball players tend to make uh very

Rileylittle yeah so but they're both playing the game if more people are coming into their game then they're going to make more money that's not nothing I can do about that if more people are coming into the male game then obviously

Brian Atlasthey're going to make more money so you don't think but you don't think it's unfair that male basketball players make more than female basketball players you don't I don't know how their salary

Rileyworks so from what I'm assuming you get paid based off of how many viewers and how many people are buying tickets to your games so it's not it's it would be crazy to say it's unfair that less

Rileypeople are going to my game you know if they want to go to that game instead of that game they can do that so that's just the way the cookie crumbles not unfair if they're getting paid

Rileydifferently like I don't know how basketball players get paid so that's what I'm assuming they're getting paid based off of views and tickets to their games so it's not unfair that more people want to go to that game no one

Brian Atlascan do anything about that totally reasonable position totally agree with you now um anybody else on the draft should wh you want you want to see women drafted what do you think I think that's fair I don't want to see anybody drafted

Brian Atlasbut like Riley said if it's a smart decision to bring women in then yeah it's it's what's needed right but again given the reality

Brian Atlasthat men do have to register do you think women should have to register

Ferntoo I just think that more men are in the military because of just like biology they're stronger mhm

Fernand they're more like fit for the job mhhm so I see why only men would get drafted so I just think they should just

Fernbe men but aren't you a feminist I am but so how do you reconcile this very unequal position this is just like one of the things man I don't know I just

Fernlike I I mean like I said if women need to get drafted yes but if we're just talking one day they're like women have to be dra women are going to get drafted or like they

Fernhave to be yeah and I'll be like damn I like I don't know me personally I wouldn't want to right same as the men they probably don't want to either but

Fernthey get forced unlike women but who built that system like that system you know like but what about the men though um well I don't know if

Brian Atlasthat's a well okay so if Kamala Harris becomes president well she wouldn't have total

Brian Atlasokay this is not the she would not be able to undo the Selective Service System so the argument

Brian AtlasI was about to make was not a strong one but um if it was uh women in positions of power uh would it still not just be

Fernunequal if women made up like if women were the ones to be like men have to be drafted or for women to be drafted what do you mean like so we're saying in a world it was the it's like women

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