TANTRUM?! CRASH OUT?! Goth Girl Psych Ward DATING?! BPD Bipolar Girl LOSES IT?! | Dating Talk #258

Date: 2025-09-01

Duration: 7h 45m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CChloe (UK Goth)>

CCarmen (Arson)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Carmen (Arson)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Kelly(guest)

SPEAKER_05Malia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Jesse(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sydney (LDS)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Chloe (UK Goth)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Felicity(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

Key MomentChloe: psych ward 3 times, ~5 years total. 4-5 suicide attempts.

Key MomentCarmen: robbed 3-4 clients on ketamine from Seeking Arrangement

ControversyCarmen: slept with ~3 homeless men including one from a mission

ControversyCarmen's father put her on birth control at 13. Brian flags as potentially abusive.

Key MomentCarmen photoshopped fake herpes results and pointed gun on FaceTime

Key MomentSydney gifts Brian a Book of Mormon

ControversySydney's brother skip-traced Brian's personal phone during live show

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Chloe (goth/psych ward), Carmen (bipolar/BPD/former sex worker), Sydney (LDS/virgin), Jesse (married/child-free).

Chloe's Psych Ward History

3 admissions, ~5 years total. Self-harm. Suicide attempts. Snuck out to date.

Carmen's Sex Work/Robbery History

Seeking Arrangement $8K/month. Robbed clients on ketamine. Homeless men. Blood play ER visit.

Carmen's Father Enabling

Put her on birth control at 13. Gave the talk about masturbation at ~10.

Pit Bull Debate

Kelly defends pit bull Bashy. CDC stats: 66% of fatal attacks.

Sydney's Brother Skip-Traces Brian

Brother found Brian's personal phone number during live show and texted asking to remove Sydney.

Transcript

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Chloe (UK Goth)>> Symmetrical. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I don't know. Bottom looks better, I guess. Maybe because it's more accurate. >> I prefer her eyes in the top. >> I don't know. >> Cool. Thank you for sharing. >> Maybe.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> All right. Didn't do Do we have uh Oh, wow. Nobody wanted to bite on the roast. >> Oh, that's nice. >> No roasters. Oh, >> guys. >> Wrong. >> A

Chloe (UK Goth)>> sugarfree donated $69. >> $69 TTS, boys. >> Thank you so much for believing in my aim in the teapot. But no, I can't. [Music]

Chloe (UK Goth)You can be honest. This is a safe space. >> Well, it No, I'm saying even I couldn't get my [ __ ] in the teapot. >> Ray, that sounds hard. >> Yeah. >> Piss in a bottle. That [ __ ] is hard.

SPEAKER_00>> That [ __ ] get everywhere. >> We're not made for that. >> We don't have the operator. >> T-shirt_no bra donated $69.

SPEAKER_00First time donor and not the last time. Love the show. W Brian W chat W Andrew miss your man W panel beside CH1 and two

SPEAKER_00rest is kind of based especially the girl who made her dress. >> Cheers from Quebec. >> I love Andrew. I just think he's like super angry all the time. >> Oh yeah.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> He's a little He's going to come for you. >> That's okay cuz I like him. Pasty George donated $70. >> Yeah, Pasty George. >> Pasty. How do you know that though? You don't even know us.

Kelly>> I'll be a poser. >> They just look like they're lying. >> That's what they were saying. >> Make this [ __ ] up. >> I cried. >> Smokey man. Bad.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> I like posing, but I don't get it. Like TTS posers. I think like whenever men see an alternative girl, they're like, "Do you even like the alternative music though?"

Carmen (Arson)>> Yeah, that's that's so outdated. Like being a poser, like who's not a poser nowadays? Like, you know, like who goes to a show and like knows every single [ __ ] one of their songs? Like that's stupid. >> So stupid. Oh my god.

Kelly>> Yeah. Like [ __ ] awful. So stupid. >> I love her American accent, right? >> She go first. She'll remember.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Uh, okay. So, for Carmen, Carmen, you wrote, "You're in a cult of This is a while ago. You're not You were in a cult of nine girls. You're all weird art kids." >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Of the world, rejected by normal society. You have deeply bonded through music, being sexy, fashion, art, intelligence, and trauma. The ideology of the cult is women supporting women in

Brian Atlastheir endeavors on life through love for each other. You perform rich or sorry, witch rituals. You feel so deeply about the support you provide for each other and our

Brian Atlassisterhood. You guys made a blood pact. You guys drink each other's blood. Uh there's a positive message meaning behind all of your actions and none of it just for show.

Brian AtlasThey're all eloquent, well spoken, highly intelligent, and also hot as [ __ ] We are about making a judgment free world for women exist through free of

Carmen (Arson)the abuse of men and society. It's almost like her anarchy thing. I think that's what she was like trying to say almost like you know >> the the anarchy thing. >> Yeah. >> Did you reference yourself as she?

Carmen (Arson)>> Yeah, sure. I reference my I'm in third person and you know but um yeah. No, honestly that was a phase. It was a phase and now kind of

Carmen (Arson)like on a different I'm on a different track. But also I still believe in like all those things. You know what I'm saying? You also wrote, "Dating is ridiculous to you. Men only bring you down and you're celibate." >> Yeah. Yeah. That's how I was feeling at

Carmen (Arson)the time. I still feel like that like every other day. >> I mean, that's probably has more to do with the men that you pick. >> Yeah. Why Why are they so fun and so horrible at the same time? Like, oh my

Carmen (Arson)god. But how do you like go out and meet a guy? I just want to know like the like is it like random? You just meet them somewhere? Usually either I'll go to a show and I'll meet them like that and I'll I go up to whoever. If I see something cute, I just go up to them,

Carmen (Arson)you know. >> Okay. So, you go you do you make first >> but or hinge? Or Hinge? I do both. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Interesting. So, like you do you

Carmen (Arson)prefer Hinge? Definitely not. The people on Hinge are crusty, messy. Like most of the time, most of the time they don't even look like their pictures. I would say like 50% of the time I meet up with

Carmen (Arson)someone on Hinge, I ask them to leave within the first five minutes because I know it's not vibes and I know it takes a certain type of person to vibe with me and I'm not going to waste my time.

Kelly>> I see. So then the guys that you're meeting outside, like just randomly, do those end up being a little better?

Carmen (Arson)>> Yeah, way better. Way better. And I I made a lot of good friends that way and we hook up sometimes and it's magical.

KellyBut also I hate them a little bit. But yeah, that's all. >> Where do you think your hate from men stems from?

Carmen (Arson)Girl, my last relationship that [ __ ] was Oh my god. I I was tripping for like 2 years after that. Like literally that that's it had me like usually when I cry I'll go cry in the car and like yell out

Carmen (Arson)his name and it's been 2 years since then so I'm like why the hell are you still in my head bro and but I think that has to do with the BPD and like not getting over people right >> like easily. >> Yeah, that makes sense. I see.

Carmen (Arson)>> Yeah. >> Do you miss him? >> I miss the idea of him that I had in my head. Yeah. >> Why'd you break up? >> Because he was so mean and he would treat me so mean. He was like, "Bro,

Carmen (Arson)okay, the real reason we broke up was because I I had I every time I get a job, like I have to work hard to get sober, you know, and I worked so hard to

Carmen (Arson)get sober and I got sober and I got this job and he freaking decides to hotbox the entire house

Carmen (Arson)>> two days before my drug test." And I was like, "Are you freaking serious? What's wrong with you?" So I just step out and I'm like inhale just like a massive amount of smoke. I don't pass it due to

Carmen (Arson)THC. I don't even smoke weed. So I was I got so pissed. I started just like going on a rampage and that that was like the final straw. I was like you obviously don't care about me. You know you you

Carmen (Arson)know. But yeah. So he it was just like so many things he was messing up my life doing. But it was mostly the perks. Like you see those those I would pray nobody nobody falls into that cuz there was

SPEAKER_02like times where he would like look so ill, look so sickly and not himself and it was just sad. But yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So then how did you get out of what did you do? You just left.

Carmen (Arson)>> Girl, it was so hard because it was like I was addicted to him and I was addicted to what he was doing, you know? So it was like I had to break up with both of them and that [ __ ] was hard as [ __ ] And I literally went through a whole

Carmen (Arson)identity crisis. Like I didn't even know who I was. I thought I I was like, am I this person because of all the things he taught me to be or am I even my own person? And I started tripping hella

Carmen (Arson)hard. But basically my daddy my daddy come and save me. He he was like he was just like come home please. I don't want you to go through this. >> Are you living at home now? >> No. As much as I love my dad, he's also crazy at the same time just like me.

Carmen (Arson)He's very loving but also very crazy. So I can't stay there. Is he crazy? >> Uh, he goddamn angry. So like he like

Carmen (Arson)one minute he'll be like and then the next minute he's like I'm sorry I love you and I just can't deal with that. >> Is he bipolar? >> Probably. That [ __ ] don't get diagnosed for [ __ ] But >> And your mom lives there too? Lives at they live together. >> Mhm.

Kelly>> You don't miss home? >> I do miss them sometimes but I know I can't live at home because I can't do that. Would you think it would like just drive you crazy more or is it your parents that like No, we drive each other crazy. We get in fights. We getting in fights.

Carmen (Arson)>> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. About what? >> The stupidest stuff. Like he kind of live in his own little La La Land a little bit. So I'll be like, "We should love and accept all people." And that'll really trigger him. He'll start like slamming doors and be like, "No, there's

Carmen (Arson)a right way and a wrong way of doing things." And I'm like, "Brother, you're not even listening to your own advice you give me." But yeah, so it's like stupid stuff. Like literally, we could argue about anything. >> Yeah. >> Like anything. >> Your dad? >> Yeah.

Sydney (LDS)>> But didn't he let you have >> Yeah. He don't make no sense at times. He don't make no sense at times, but I still love him. >> Would you choose somebody similar to him? Like his lifestyle and his choices

Carmen (Arson)next time. >> His unconditionally loving heart. He's loved me despite all my errors. That yes, but a lot of other things, hell no. Yeah.

Carmen (Arson)>> Are they similar choices to that you've made? Yeah, the apple does not far fall far fall far fall far fall far fall far fall far fall far fall far fall far fall far fall from from the tree for sure >> that's it be like that be like that sometimes

Carmen (Arson)>> thank you guys for letting me talk also I feel bad for like talking a lot but >> do you feel like you're trauma dumping >> I am the challenge >> some of the things that you

Sydney (LDS)>> from chair one >> I'm so sorry I can't remember your name >> chair one or two mostly >> or challenge some of the ideas um Yeah,

Sydney (LDS)I'd love to. So, I really disagree with how how the direction that you guys your thought process has taken and I believe that is probably started from childhood

Sydney (LDS)and laid a foundation. for example, your father um he incentivized and he introduced these things to you and made it okay for you to pursue them. And I'm

Sydney (LDS)so happy that you're satisfied with your life and you feel happy with yourself, but ultimately that's not going to make you happy in the long run. That's my personal belief and I believe choices like that won't make you happy in the

Sydney (LDS)long run. >> And I believe that I see this a lot in high schools. I used to debate in high schools a lot >> and the self-deprecation is actually really interesting. It starts off with just kind of speaking to yourself like,

Sydney (LDS)"Oh my goodness, I'm going to kill myself." You know, just silly. And then it leads and escalates to things where you're selfharming, where you're uh thinking less of yourself and putting yourself in situations. So, um I think

Sydney (LDS)both of you ladies are wonderful and I believe in redemption and I believe in um in grace and I believe in repentance. But um yeah, I I think that on the track

Sydney (LDS)that the choices that you're making aren't going to lead at and any woman who make choices similar aren't going to have a happy life down the line. >> Well, I think it wouldn't make you happy

Carmen (Arson)maybe, but like I also I know people that have had like obviously way worse lives than me and they being so [ __ ] up as [ __ ] but they be laughing about it. They're laugh they're they're they see >> of course there's joy in uh bad

Sydney (LDS)circumstances but the circumstances you've made for yourself are the you've made these circumstances for yourself. So where you're crying after having sex where you're selfharming and you're bleeding out having to go to the ER where you're having emotional trauma

Sydney (LDS)with boyfriends where you're putting yourself in risky situations where you're dependent on uh giving selling your body for money. You're putting yourself in these situations and ultimately you're just going to continue

Sydney (LDS)feeling empty. you're going to continue um disass emotionally disassociating. And ultimately when you're old or or or even when you have kids and they're

Sydney (LDS)asking you about your Only Fans or asking you about your life, um you probably you shouldn't want to leave them down that life because it's a life

Carmen (Arson)of drugs, it's a life of alcohol, it's a life of uh sin, it's a life of sickness. But like girl, like that's that's just life. like and you learn from them. I'm not saying I'm going to do this stuff forever. Like I'm always changing,

Carmen (Arson)always evolving. You know what I'm saying? So like I was I would want my kid to like figure stuff out like for themselves and I'm not going to like be there controlling their every move. You feel me? Like that would just I don't

Sydney (LDS)know. I want them to have autonomy to decide what they like and I don't want to make >> are really important. But I don't think that encouraging them to go and make really poor decisions cuz it's a fact

Sydney (LDS)that women who put themselves in sexual situations like that are more likely to be targeted for lots of crimes. They have STDs. They have a bunch of sicknesses.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Yeah. But what came first? >> What came first? getting targeted for crimes and then ending up in doing a job like that or >> are you saying where you're a victim of

Carmen (Arson)a situation >> and then that is how you choose to deal with it. >> Well, that's playing victimhood and that's emotional immaturity. I don't think it's like but the thing is I don't

Carmen (Arson)I think what made me kind of go down this path is the anger the my father's kind of anger or the the scaredness you know that I felt that I think is where all the stuff came from. So I think if I

Sydney (LDS)raise a kid and and I don't have any anger I don't think they're going to have as much >> So you're saying that heightened emotions led you down the path this path? >> Yeah. I think it's all been like

Carmen (Arson)emotional psyche stuff and not like like them teaching me about anything. I think it's like it's like if you teach kids about being gay young, I don't think they're going to get gay. That's just like internal. You know what I mean? >> I think it opens the book up a little.

Carmen (Arson)>> You're opening disagree. I believe that's taught not >> well also like who cares if you're gay? That's awesome. I think gay >> of course there's personal decision. So it's like if you're teaching them how to

Sydney (LDS)be awesome then that'd be cool too. So >> yeah, choice is important, but at the same time, I do believe that there are better choices. Like I said earlier, there there are choices that will lead to um unhappiness. There's choices that are going to lead to danger.

Carmen (Arson)>> But maybe your happiness is different how I reached my happiness. I had to go through all those things so I could figure out who the [ __ ] I am as a person to reach to my happiness.

Jesse>> And I disagree with what you've said today alone. You I didn't hear you say that you were happy. I'm happy now. I would say I'm happy now. >> I've heard the opposite.

Kelly>> I Yeah. It doesn't sound happy. >> I think you were kind of she seemed you seem like >> chilling like I really think like I you know obviously like you know like the trauma doesn't go

Kellyaway and everything but like but like you you seem like you were making the best out of like your situation. Like that's what that's what I respect out of it. And that's why I'm not I'm not over here. I'm not trying to like go in on you and why you make your decisions on

Sydney (LDS)your life. But like you you you can have like an open brain and like think about it. >> Who the hell happy 24/7? You can be in your life. >> I don't think you have to go through a life of mistakes to find yourself. I don't think I think you can find yourself without having to make all the mistakes. You can learn from other

Sydney (LDS)people's mistakes and then in the end you won't have as many things haunting you as many consequences. >> My own mistakes. I cannot learn from everyone else's. That's for sure.

Brian Atlas>> But um is there any other ideas you wanted me to challenge specifically? >> No. Um, we have some more roast coming in and then we're going to bump it back up, boys. We're bumping it back up.

SPEAKER_00>> $69. The bipolar chick is by far the ugliest I've ever seen in my entire life. What is wrong with your face? >> Everything.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Wow. Uh, all right, guys. We're We're going to do this. We're going to bump here. We're going to do

SPEAKER_00>> pasty George donated $70. >> Shares three, five, and six are entitled spoiled brats. >> Share five, you haven't grown at all in the world. >> I love being a spoiled brat. >> We all see right.

Kelly>> It's so much fun. My man treats me like a spoiled brat all the time. Same. >> Give me whatever I want. >> I'm only spoiled because of the people around me. >> But okay, pasty. I don't know what I did

Brian Atlasto you, but cool, buddy. >> Table. Scoot into the table. >> Someone get They need Jesus. >> My Grammy tells me.

Brian Atlas>> Oh. Uh, someone, sorry, I messed up the setting. Someone get Andrew. They need Jesus. Chair one and two. God will forgive you. He loves you. It's never too late to repent. Drop the act. And look, it doesn't help. Expressing

Brian Atlasyourself. Isn't this >> God loves me? Okay. >> Oh, for sure he does. >> Uh, call me King. Thank you for the uh TTS, man. Really appreciate it. And Greg, thank you, too. George, thank you.

Brian AtlasThank you, guys. Thank you, guys. We bumped it back up, guys. So, the TTS is back at 200. Back at 200. I got to change that here in the YouTube chat.

Brian AtlasWhere is it? One sec, guys. Give me just a moment. Uh, going around the table, uh, what do you what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? Go ahead.

Carmen (Arson)>> I said 500K. >> 500,000 a year. Okay. What about you? >> Um, uh, [ __ ] Uh, I don't I don't really care as long as he loves me. So, he can make anything.

Malia>> Okay. What about you? >> I said roughly like around 500k, but I mean, I know it is a little unrealistic, but it would be a preference.

Brian Atlas>> No. Well, wouldn't it be a preference that you date a billionaire then? >> In an unrealistic world, yes. But so this is just the minimum yearly income.

Malia>> No, that's like my that was just like a dream amount. >> But the question is what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your for your future husband? >> Okay. Realistically, like roughly over

Sydney (LDS)200. >> That's the minimum. >> Yes. >> Okay. But you did say you did write 500,000. Um what about you? I am happy to date someone who is very broke but um

Jessesomeone who will not stay that way and will be very financially successful. So, >> okay. What about you? >> I said the same as me or more >> which which is what? >> Um oh I don't know if I'm allowed to

Jessedisclose that like work related. I don't know. Okay. I I'll do a range. I'm like between 70 and 80. How's that? >> Okay. Sure. What about you, Kelly? >> At least 100. >> At least 100.

Brian Atlas>> Got to be >> all right. Uh Malia going to you, you wrote 500,000. Um you realize this is only the top 1% of men make that much a year. >> Mhm.

Malia>> Okay. Does that concern you at all that you're >> excluding 99 out of 100 men? >> No, but I said in like a dream world, >> I But realistically, I know that's not

Brian Atlasreal. >> But in a dream world, you'd want a billionaire. >> Yeah, in a dream world. But realistically, that's not real. >> Okay. So, then you revised it to 200,000 a year,

Brian Atlas>> correct? >> Okay. Uh All right. I mean, >> wait, do you know what the percentage is of men that make 200,000? >> I'm not sure, but it's definitely top 10%.

Brian Atlas>> Is that still That's >> uh I'm not sure the exact Maybe it's top that might even be top 5%. I was going to >> I don't know what the percentiles or the breakdown is exactly. You want a guy who

Chloe (UK Goth)makes $500,000 a year. >> Yeah, cuz I make that a year. >> Oh, that's great. >> Wow. You >> So >> just on of >> Yeah. Oh, wow. >> Wow.

Brian Atlas>> Uh but I mean, >> why not? If I'm making that, then they can make that as well. >> Yeah. But men who have who make $500,000 a year, unless you go really old, typically have quite a bit of

Brian Atlasoptionality. And then most men don't want to like wife up a sex worker, not to mention all the other potential red flags that may or may not exist.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, red flags. >> Like what? >> I mean, half the [ __ ] you talked about tonight, but >> like what? Use your words. >> Oh, sure. Septum piercing, tattoos, the marks.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Why piercing? >> Why septum piercing? embarrassing. >> Men generally find it uh displeasing aesthetically. >> 500 500,000

Chloe (UK Goth)a year. >> Wait, no. >> It says otherwise. Yeah. >> Is that right? I'm >> £500,000. >> Yeah. >> About Okay, you're repeating. >> Yeah. So, >> you know what she meant >> here. Wait, pop your glasses off,

Chloe (UK Goth)though. Um >> Oh, I don't want to. I can't see. Anyways, uh so what I what's your point? I guess

Chloe (UK Goth)>> that clearly people do like the septum piercing >> men generally don't like septum piercings. >> Where are you getting that? >> Not the people who make $500,000. I would agree with that.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> You'd be surprised the statistic. You'd be surprised because the ones that make a lot of money, they have been through every type of girl and they are bored and they want something a little bit different.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> I could see that. >> The demographic of the guys that um buyer only fans, are they like just all old? >> Every single time I get approached in public, it's by like a 55year-old man.

Brian Atlas>> They know who I am and they love it. >> Yeah. So, septum piercings. I I mean, >> I don't mind a 55year-old man. That's great. Septum piercings, I guess I'd be willing to grant this.

Brian Atlas>> At best, it's a neutral, but for most men, it's a negative. So, I'd say with tattoos, huh? >> For which bit? >> The septum. >> Septum piercing bit. >> Okay.

Jesse>> For most of preference, I guess. >> Neutral or negative? Same with tattoos. >> Okay. >> You're killing me with the tattoos.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Well, so yes, I'm I'm not going to be totally uh black and white with it. Obviously, where the tattoo is located, what the tattoo is, the size of the tattoos, the

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Are you just like the keeper of all information on anything to do with what men like? >> You're talking about Sorry, what's the question there? >> You like, you know, you're you know all

Chloe (UK Goth)of the information off by heart. I doubt it. Like, show me the statistics. I don't >> show you You're talking with such conviction that I'm going to need to see

Brian Atlasyou back it up. Just because you have conviction in your voice doesn't mean that what you're saying is true. >> No. Right. I agree. >> Yeah. I I agree with you that just because you believe something doesn't

Brian Atlasnecessarily mean it's true. However, in this case, regardless of the level of conviction I happen to have or not have, it happens to be true. >> Says you. >> Says who? Says you. So, do you think

Brian Atlasthat in every instance there needs to be a study in order for something to be true? Like, does the study make it true? >> You can't force. >> Wait, can I ask you a question? Answer my question first. >> Does there need to be a study for

Brian Atlassomething to be true? >> I would say for me, >> I would believe it. >> Well, perhaps >> for logic maybe. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, hold on. But do you do realize that there are observable things that

Carmen (Arson)exist outside of studies? girl. But like people used to believe the earth was flat and [ __ ] and like you know what I'm saying? Like and they was like I'm observing this. So like I but like studies came out. [ __ ] went to

Brian Atlasscience. >> Right. But often times in conversations you're not always going to Yeah. Be quiet. You're not always going to default to show me >> free. You can't tell me to be quiet for free. >> I just did

Brian Atlas>> two. No, >> I just did. So often times when you're having conversations, you're not always going to have a study that you can immediately pull up, but there are

Brian Atlasstudies. There are I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. So when it comes to tattoos, typically men have a negative appraisal of women's tattoos. Not just in my brain, I made that up, but they have they have thoroughly researched this.

Brian Atlas>> That's like the number one thing people men compliment me on. Like straight up. >> Okay. So, so >> he's going to do mean. >> No, I'm just going to answer logically without having to insult her.

Brian Atlas>> It's okay. >> So, two things can be true at the same time. It would never behoove me if I was desirous of pursuing a woman with a tattoo

Brian Atlasto tell her that I find her tattoo unappealing. Tattoos aren't necessarily fully dealreakers. I think they're red flags. A deal breaker and a tattoo are two different things. Now, when it comes to

Brian Atlasdeal breakers and when it comes to red flags, right, and especially as it relates to tattoos, it would not be a good move for a guy to insult you on something that one is

Brian Atlaspermanent, mostly permanent, and that you can't remove. Men, when they are attempting to sleep with you, are going to flatter you. They're not going to be like, "Hey, uh, by the way, you're

Brian Atlas[ __ ] ugly." But they're no guy's going to ever say that, right? So, as a guy, look, if your mission as a guy is to sleep with you or [ __ ] you, which

Brian Atlasyou've encountered quite a bit, it's not going to benefit them to achieve said goal. If he's like, "By the way, your tattoos are trashy. Your tattoos don't look good. Your tattoos make you look masculine. Your tattoos

Brian Atlastake away from your natural beauty." >> So, you're saying they're lying? >> Yes. Wait, let me ask you a question. Do men lie? You said men are demons earlier. Do men lie? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Do you think And do you think men lie especially to get laid? >> Uh, probably. >> So, is it possible that a guy who didn't give a [ __ ] or didn't care at all about your tattoos? >> Is this getting so hypothetical? And

Carmen (Arson)it's >> it's not hypothetical. I mean, it's just you've had guys compliment you on your tattoos. Like imagine like you go up to somebody that you think is cute and the first thing you're wanting to do is lie to them. Like that's crazy. Is that what you're saying that's what men be doing?

Brian AtlasYou're saying men are demons. At this point you're agreeing with me. >> I'm saying that this is in fact a phenomenon that occurs. >> She didn't cook anything. >> She did cook. I was following that. I was >> It's a bit of a red herring because it

Carmen (Arson)doesn't have anything to do with my original point was >> and still it doesn't matter. It still made sense. >> Wait, you think it's a red flag? Like I could look at you and think you were walking my flag. Like I could if me and my girls was walking down the street, we

Brian Atlaswould not be looking at you like look at that green flag. You know, just like you'll probably not be looking at me like that. You know what I mean? So it's like like but in general we can talk about other Sure. We could have a conversation about other red flags.

Brian AtlasRight now we're talking about tattoos. >> Okay. Come on then. >> Yeah. My position is that typically tattoos are red flags. >> That's your opinion. >> It's not just my opination. That's great.

Sydney (LDS)>> Well, something that you stated earlier was on Hinge, the app that you use the most, is that men are dusty, crusty. Men on Hinge will lie all the time about their height, about their hobbies, about their looks. >> So that they can have sex with you all

SPEAKER_02the time. >> Mhm. But at the same time, they don't like I'm not going to generalize like y'all generalizing so much. Everybody different. >> That's why women generalize men, men

Brian Atlasgeneralize women. But ultimately, if we are having a conversation about tattoos, and I'm not going to lie to you. >> Okay, cool. You don't like tattoos. Next point. >> Yeah, shut the [ __ ] up. It's my podcast.

Brian AtlasI'm going to I'm going to talk about what I want to talk about. You can start your own [ __ ] You can start your own podcast. >> I don't want to. >> That's cool. So, you're not going to dictate the terms of what we're talking

Brian Atlasabout, what we're not talking about. This conversation about tattoos came up organically. You've been obnoxious all night. She's reacting to your energy. I could feel >> What are you talking about? I'm being I'm not insulting your tattoos. I'm

Brian Atlassaying generally speaking men don't like tattoos. >> So what? If I was 5 foot five and you said, "Uh, typically women aren't attracted to short men." I'd be like, "Okay, yeah, that's true."

Brian Atlas>> But y'all women hate to hear when men ever have an opinion or have anything to say as it relates as it relates >> as men. No. >> Yeah. Can you shut up also and stop interrupting? So, look, I've been I've

Brian Atlasbeen very patient with you guys. So, I'm having to up the temperature a little bit to get you guys to actually try to, you know, allow other people to talk, allow me to talk. Not going to really tolerate the interrupting anymore.

Brian AtlasUltimately, it is the case that generally speaking, men find red uh find tattoos a red flag in women. >> And you asked for the study. I happen to have one.

Brian Atlas>> Oh my god, thank you so much. Can I put my glasses on to read it? >> Nick, go into the uh Thank you for asking the patriarchy, by the way, for permission. >> Uh yeah, go ahead. You have my

Brian Atlaspermission as the authority and patriarch of the whatever podcast, >> Nick. It's in the research that's below resources. It's in the MISK

Brian AtlasMISK tab. Okay. >> Okay. >> You're going to click on the f the first photo that comes up. So this is a study

Brian Atlasthat was published in April of 2020 and mind you uh four of the uh the researchers are women. So there's not

Brian Atlassome like male bias here happening. This was a published study. Showing skin tattoo visibility status, egalitarianism, and personality are predictors of sexual openness among

Brian Atlaswomen. >> I don't like it. >> I'll I'll explain just a bit. Nick, can you make it bigger? I think you can hit that zoom in in the top right corner. Okay. Research indicates that women with

Sydney (LDS)tattoos actually somebody else read this [ __ ] for you. Uh Sydney, can you read this? >> Sure. Research indicates that women with tattoos are evaluated by more negatively than women without tattoos on numerous qualities. Further, men perceive better

Sydney (LDS)chances for sexual success with tattooed women than those without visible tattoos. Despite these findings, less is known about whether women with visible tattoos are more open to casual sexual encounters with their non-tattoed

Sydney (LDS)counterparts, and if so, what variables may predict such openness. The the purpose of the present study was to explore whether and to what extent stereotype perceptions of tattooed women

Sydney (LDS)as sexually open are accurate and to explore the possible role of egalitarianism in sexual openness. Measures of personality and sensation

Sydney (LDS)seeking were also examined. A sample of 114 women, both tattooed and non-tattoed, were recruited through the Western Canadian University Research Pool and various social media outlets to

Sydney (LDS)complete the online questionnaire assessing these attributes. Women with tattoos reported greater willingness to engage in oncommitted sexual relations as well as higher endorsement of

Sydney (LDS)egalitarianis egalitarianism and sensation seeking uh rel and sens sens seeking relative to non-tattoed women. Among tattooed women alone, several

Sydney (LDS)personality and tattooing variables predicted sexual openness. Finding findings suggest suggesting body tattooing is an indicator of sexual openness are critically discussed in

Carmen (Arson)relation to contemporary stereotypes surrounding femininity and sexuality. >> All right, there's your study. >> What do you mean? All I said is that men perceive them as more sexual, but that doesn't mean they perceive them as they don't like it. Men like sex.

Brian AtlasMen do like sex, but men also don't want to date promiscuous trumpet. >> It didn't say that though. It's just that they said they like >> There's another There's other studies

Brian Atlasfor that specific thing. But men assess women with tattoos as more promiscuous. Men for long-term relationships don't

Brian Atlaswant to date promiscuous women. Thus, it would be thus it would be the case that a woman a woman who has tattoos or is heavily tattooed, that's a red flag. >> Fair enough.

SPEAKER_00>> You know, when you backed it up by science, I liked it. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Well, the same way if you were >> call Mecuan donated $200. What would you honestly bring

SPEAKER_00differently than any other woman at the table to this table? If your best is shared with anyone else at the table, you're plain as a white t-shirt. Please answer honestly. >> Yeah, too. >> I don't know if I understand.

Brian Atlas>> What would you honestly bring differently than other women? >> Best to shared with anyone else at the table. You're >> what would you honestly bring differently than any other woman at this the table to you were like, "Oh, what what what would men like about you?" So,

Carmen (Arson)like >> closer to the mic. >> Oh, sorry. >> So, you you you said you question for you guys. Go. >> You asked me that same question and he now he's asking it to you. So, you answered. >> No, he's not asking it to me.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, he was he was saying you. >> No, he was asking you guys. >> Oh, what would each of us bring to the table differently than the other woman? >> Okay, here. Well, let's just do this.

Chloe (UK Goth)What do you bring to the table? >> Um, I'm quite funny and my [ __ ] is really tight. >> I love those.

Brian Atlas>> I already said me, so you can get me. >> Okay. Um, what what about you >> then them? >> No. >> No. What do you bring to the table?

Brian Atlas>> What do you bring to the table? That's the question. >> Um,

Brian Atlasthat's like a hard question cuz there's like so much you can I bring my humor >> which is at the top of the list of what men care about. >> Empathy. It is >> empathy

Sydney (LDS)>> and my nurturing. >> Okay. What about you, Sydney? >> Uh submission. I would be a very healthy submission obviously. >> Okay. What about you? >> Um I think I bring peace to my partner

Kellybecause I do basically all the things he doesn't want to do. So I'm his counterpart. I'm supposed to be his better half. Right. >> Kelly, what do you bring to the table? >> Um

KellyI cook. I clean. I know how to shut up. I submissive. >> Oh, can you just tilt the microphone a little bit, Felicity? What about you? >> Nothing. I guess I could fold your

Felicitylaundry. That's it. I don't know. I mean, I could say loyalty, but that's like a given. >> Oh, boy. All right. >> Like, what am I supposed to say? I don't know. >> Just me should be correct.

SPEAKER_00>> What do I have to bring to the table ordering myself? >> Hasty George donated $200. Many men think that nose rings are trashy AF and not very attractive. Why are you trying to prove that you are cows?

Brian Atlas>> Yep. >> I love the way that the AI read it out. That was really good. >> Thank you, George. >> Love you. >> You do realize though you don't you

Brian Atlasdon't need a study in every single instance to just have a basic conversation about, >> you know, I I like it though. >> Can that's just

Brian Atlas>> right. But then then I could just do this really bad faith thing where I'm like for every single thing you say that's counter to me I'm like well show me the study. >> But I feel like you do the

Brian Atlas>> I've never asked for anybody to show me the study this entire show. But it's just this really like >> I've always said it's my opinion. I haven't said like all other people believe this. I know that's not true.

Brian AtlasYou know what I'm Well, it it is my opinion, but it's also, again, I'm not saying universally there are, yeah, there are men out there who do like tattoos,

Brian Atlas>> but I don't think that that's the exception, not the rule. Generally speaking, I think it's fair to say men don't men don't prefer a woman to have

Chloe (UK Goth)tattoos. >> What that got to do with me, though, >> you have tattoos? Yeah, but >> and we're talking about a idea here. I >> Yeah, I guess we're not Okay, then we we're not bothered.

Brian Atlas>> But like for example, I wouldn't fight you on the fact that I most women are not attracted to men who are short. >> Mhm. >> Like I'm not going to fight you on that. But women want to fight men. Like is

Brian Atlasthere anything >> you know is there anything that men can dislike in women that's acceptable? >> That's what I'm saying. Each person can have their own opinion. >> Tell me. Tell me something that's acceptable for a man to dislike in a woman.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> I don't know. >> Anything and everything. >> Hygiene. Yeah, that's a good one. >> Yeah, like a [ __ ] that smells bad. Like >> if you don't like take care of yourself,

Kellyjust hygiene in general. >> I don't think you can be born with a [ __ ] smelly, >> you know. True. >> Taking care of yourself. >> If they're racist or like, you know, something

Brian Atlas>> they could be genetically. Some girls do just produce like a >> Well, like for example, Asian women, not all some Asian women don't have body odor. >> Sometimes bigger women. >> It's a genetic thing. Like some Well,

Kellyit's it's not just Asian women. It's just uh certain Asian people don't have body odor. >> Or like a lack of body odor. >> I think it's Chinese people. A lot of Chinese people don't. My dad does. I've

Kellynever smelled my dad smelly ever in his life. I don't think that man uses deodorant. So maybe Asian women's >> [ __ ] on average don't smell. >> I shower like once a week and I don't smell that bad.

Brian Atlas>> That's the conclusion I draw. >> I don't know. Anyways, tattoos I think just like more likely to have a high body count. More likely to be promiscuous. >> Okay. Well, I don't think my body count is that high.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> What is it? >> Like 13. >> 13. >> Yeah. >> Is that before or after the psych ward? including the my whole existing. >> Can you straighten your microphone

Brian Atlas>> like this? >> Yeah, that's good. >> 13. Okay. [ __ ] We should just do the body count question. Go ahead. >> Me? [ __ ] I don't know. Girl, I wasn't counting. >> You said between I think last time between 30 and 200. >> Yeah, it could be anything.

Brian Atlas>> That's a big gap. >> But I mean, it's been like 2 yearsish since you've been on the show. So, >> like I said, how many times have you blinked in your life? >> As many penises. Would you even know the range >> in your vagina?

Brian Atlas>> Could be. >> If I blink a h 100 times. No, you haven't. [ __ ] >> See, what I'm saying is I guess I don't. >> You haven't had that much >> [ __ ] >> No, but I'm saying I don't keep track,

Brian Atlas>> right? But I could say I've probably blinked over a million times. Have you? >> Okay. >> Today guesstimation. >> No, not today, but my whole life. >> It's definitely more than a million. >> Probably more than a million.

Brian AtlasI don't know. Doesn't really matter though. Uh, body count. >> Girl, I I just said with my Okay, >> ballpark. Ballpark. It >> four. >> That is not Come on. Come on. Be a good sport. You've shared it before. What's

Brian AtlasWhat's the uh >> It's the same range. I don't know >> between what and what is the range? >> 30 to 200? I don't know. >> How How much since the last time you were on, which is about a year and a half ago?

Carmen (Arson)>> Yeah. I haven't been having that much sex since then. Like, I really haven't. I've been doing like no sex work at all. I've been working. >> So, I've been just like on hand. >> Did you lose track? Have you lost track

Brian Atlasof your body count? >> That's what I've been said. Yes. >> Have you stopped counting your body count? >> Yes. Why would I keep track? >> All right. Um, that's cool. >> When did you stop counting? >> Probably in high school.

Carmen (Arson)>> Yikes. I started making a list in my notes and then I was like >> I was going to ask like did you do >> you still have the list? >> I I tried to find it one time but I couldn't find it. >> You don't have it in your notes?

Brian Atlas>> No. I got a new phone and then it like everything got deleted so >> rip. >> Yeah. >> Uh okay. Body count >> one

Brian Atlaszero 6 11 two >> Okay. All right. That's good.

Kelly>> Oh, I don't share that. >> I'm a I'm a virgin. >> Just kidding. Um >> if everyone at this table beats you in rock paper scissors, will you?

SPEAKER_00>> Everybody. That's a good in our favor. Patty donated $200. Yo, Patty D. Just because you have a bunch of Sharpie

SPEAKER_00scribbles all over you and wore paint on your face doesn't mean you're going to be taken seriously. I take her seriously. >> Quite the opposite, actually. >> And what I would say to that is I think

Carmen (Arson)I don't Well, exactly. >> She don't give a [ __ ] >> Yeah. Like, >> who wants to be taken seriously? That's stupid.

Carmen (Arson)>> What? Like if you're so serious, get away from me. >> All right. Um,

Brian Atlasis that coming from outside? Nick, do you smell that? >> We cigarettes. >> No, it smells like cigarettes. That's not from in here, is it? >> No. >> That's a vape wouldn't make that. >> No, it wouldn't smell. >> Well, unless you got

SPEAKER_00>> Sorry, guys. We got more cigarette smell. >> Pasty George donated $200. Unfortunately, there are a lot of simp men in the world who will lie to women

SPEAKER_00just to get laid. So many simps lied to women like chairs one and two just to get laid. Tattoos are trashy af. >> To be clear, I don't think men should

Brian Atlaslie. But if you're an astrology chick and the guy otherwise likes you, but he's like, "This is [ __ ] stupid." He's going to be like, "Oh, wow. You're a [ __ ] Jupiter rising. I'd love that."

Brian AtlasHe's not going to be like, "Wow, your interests are stupid." >> Like that's not going to go over well. >> Trust me. Unless you you're into like being degraded or some [ __ ] Trust me,

Brian Atlasit's better to air on the side of flattering a woman than like deconstructing her entire [ __ ] modern Zoomer personality. >> Zoomer. >> Zoomer. Yeah.

Carmen (Arson)>> Well, Zoomer. Well, I guess that millennials can be >> I think he can disagree as long as he's respectful about it. Like me and me me and my best friend, he's literally a flatearther and a super Christian and I'm like the complete opposite, but we get along so well.

Carmen (Arson)>> Wait, does that coincide? Can Christians be flat earthers? >> Yes. I don't know. He doesn't even believe in space. >> I get I don't know nothing about that shape. >> I'd be like showing him a picture of Earth like from our space and he's like

SPEAKER_00fake news. But but we still get along because at the end of the day we love each other for so many other things. >> Many men will agree with me in that we do not like feminism and women whether

SPEAKER_00it be open, closeted or covert because it teaches Missandry and other false ideologies about men. >> I'd agree with this day and age of feminism 100%. >> True. >> Same. >> Feminism

Jesse>> and you're allowed to have your opinion, George. >> Feminism these days is just tearing down men and all men suck. And that's all I hear. And that's so far from the truth. >> It's not even a defined feminist

Carmen (Arson)movement anymore. It's just >> feminist can't define feminist nowadays. >> Who here is a feminist? Show of hands if you're a feminist. >> I mean, I would have feminist beliefs, but I don't know if I necessarily call

Carmen (Arson)myself that [ __ ] ass feminist cuz like I don't I don't go so far with it where I'm like out here ranting on the internet like all the time, you know? I'm not doing all that. >> I keep my opinions. I'm be minding my best.

Brian Atlas>> Come on, Brian. Girls in the first two chairs are the only real people up there. Okay. >> Period. Thank you, Brian. >> All right. Yeah, I I guess. Um, >> fans. >> Next question. How tall are you and

Chloe (UK Goth)what's the minimum height of a man you would date? >> Um, I'm 5'7. It's got to be over 61. Got to be over 6 foot at least. >> Why is that?

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Cuz I always wear platforms. So, I'm always like 5' 11. I want to be like I want there to be like enough tallness or height in between us

Carmen (Arson)>> that like when I'm wearing heels I can still like look up. >> Okay. Uh all right. Over 6' one. What about you? >> I say at least 5'7. They got to be >> How tall are you?

Sydney (LDS)>> I'm 5'3. >> Okay. What about you? >> Um I'm 5'4 and I said at least 5'6. >> I'm 5'4. I as long as they're taller than me. I prefer to wear heels, so probably 5'8 and up. So,

Jesse>> okay. What about you? >> I'm 5'3, so either 5'3 or taller, but I was lucky. And uh I married a man who's 6'1. >> All right. What about you?

Kelly>> I am 5'6 and I would prefer somebody who's 5'11. My boyfriend's 6 foot, so

Brian Atlas>> All right. Uh Malia, your ex-boyfriend, how tall was he? >> Um he's 5'6.

Brian AtlasOh, why? >> That That's his actual height. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. That's fine. >> Look. I don't know. >> Also, have you you broke up with your three-year boyfriend 3 days ago? Um,

Malia>> do you think there's a chance you guys are going to get back together? >> Sorry. Sorry. That's um that's I don't know. I say

Maliathat I say that I'm done. Um, but I mean for for now I am until um other things are proven. >> All right. You guys are going to be back together within like 3 months. >> No. No. >> It wasn't a hard no. We won't let it.

Brian AtlasIt's >> Have you had a re Have you had a rebound? >> My watch. >> No. >> No rebound. >> Good. Good. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh, would you rather cross paths with a random man or random bear on a hike?

Carmen (Arson)>> Pick one. Um, I like the little old people that be like, "Hi." whenever you're on a hike. So, I guess both. >> You have to pick one. Which one did you pick? >> Oh, >> I mean, beers can eat you. So, probably a probably person.

Kelly>> Okay. >> I said a man. >> Man. >> Man. >> I said bear last time and I got roasted and my boyfriend and my stepdad both roasted me. So, I I've changed my mind. >> W stepdad. >> Yes. I've changed I've realized I was

Chloe (UK Goth)wrong. I've changed. >> Okay. Felicity, >> man. >> All right. Chloe, why'd you pick there? >> They just seem fun. >> They seem fun. >> Yeah, till they get

Jesse>> Bears are cute. >> Okay, that begs the question, do you know what bears do to you if like they want to attack you? >> We don't really have bears in the UK. >> You literally are eaten alive. >> Alive.

Jesse>> All bears. I feel like girl in this saw bear hiking and everybody just started filming it and nobody was scared. It was weird. I mean, it depends on the person, but I mean, at the end of the day, regardless, no one's even saying that

Jessethis man is going to hurt you. You just came to that conclusion on your own. But >> because it's compared to a bear, okay, I'll allow it. But at the end of the day, even if it does get into a physical

Jessealterc altercation, you have zero chance against a bear. You at least have some chance against a man. >> But also, think about it. You could go home and be like, "Yo, we saw a bear." And they be like, "Oh, cool." But you say, "Yo, I saw a guy." Like nobody cares.

Jesse>> I love animals and of course I'd love to see a bear. But like if we're going to the point of you're going to be attacked because that's why would you rather see a bear or not? Would you rather get

Chloe (UK Goth)attacked by a bear or a man? >> Crossly a dude because you still have a chance of surviving like a bear. There's they're just going to kill you. It doesn't care if you're alive. >> Yeah. But like how embarrass

Chloe (UK Goth)how embarrassing to be killed by a man. Like that's so embarrassing. It's not embarrassing. Yeah. I'd rather die by a bear cuz just being being murdered by a man that's so embarrassing. >> Why is that embarrassing? >> All of Ted Bundy's victims are

Chloe (UK Goth)embarrassing. >> Why is that embarrassing though? >> What the heck is bad? We don't do that. >> Yeah. A man chose to murder people. That's >> embarrassing of the man. I think

Chloe (UK Goth)>> he should bear. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like you were talking about the victims and I was like that. >> No. No. >> Can you take your glasses off? Um, but why is it embarrassing?

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Cuz like that's all you like your life is so pathetic that you have to do something like that and hurt people. >> Oh, I thought it was But you said it would be embarrassing as the woman

Brian Atlas>> No, sorry. I meant >> it's embarrassing to be a murderer. >> Yeah, that's an embarrassing thing to like bring to the table. Now that's a

Jessered flag. Being a murderer like >> Yeah, being a murderer probably a not just a red flag. That's a deal breaker. >> Bad thing. Bad thing. >> Major deal breaker. Dealer.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, do you have any disagreements with the show hosts? Chloe, you write um being dumb and being a man. >> Oh my god. >> That's my point to feminism though. I

Chloe (UK Goth)feel like that's what you hear from feminists and it's very, very bad. >> You know what? Sometimes I'm okay with being a bimbo cuz I'm not going to pretend to know things that I do not know. >> Well, and I've heard you say on several

Jesseoccasions now that you stopped going to school at what, 16? Was that what it was? Yeah. So, >> I mean, at least you accept it and you you realize that about yourself, so you don't like argue that. >> Yeah, exactly.

Jesse>> I'll respect that. >> But she's probably smart about a lot of things that you're not super smart about. >> Probably she's probably a lot more straight smart than I am. I would full-fledged give her that because I

Jessedon't know like I was a book person. I went to school. >> This isn't >> funny to talk to >> your disagreements with the show. Being

Brian Atlasdumb. What does that mean? >> I guess being criticism objective >> just dumb. >> But what do you mean? >> Because she's taking it to mean that

Brian Atlasyou're talking about yourself. This is a criticism you have of the show. So, you're saying the show is dumb? >> Where am I coming into play? >> This is your [ __ ] questionnaire. >> No, but I'm talking about you,

Brian Atlas>> right? So, okay. Being dumb. How is what I'm asking. >> Yeah. And then you just said it. You meant me. I'm so confused, >> bro. She starts [ __ ] asking you about

Chloe (UK Goth)your schooling. She misinterpreted. >> What do I say that's dumb? >> Just saying dumb things. >> Yeah. Oh my god.

Chloe (UK Goth)Okay. What are those things? >> I don't know. Like you said, get my item out itemized list out of my bag. Like I don't Do you want me to go through every single thing? >> No, I'm not asking you for a

Brian Atlas>> study like you say. Yeah, exactly. >> One, give me one thing. >> What is a dumb thing that I say or whatever? >> I don't agree with some of your views.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Why do I have to stay with the tattoo when you like when I laugh? you like think that >> I don't like it's for her. Okay, >> but you're going to shout at me again.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> I'm not going to shout at you. >> I don't like the tone of voice you use. >> Ah, the tone >> to like you want yourself to be the most important person in the room. Therefore,

Chloe (UK Goth)you use a certain tone of voice to make other people feel small. That's what I don't like. >> Yeah. It's not necessarily what you say, it's like how you say. >> And I think you know that and it's like

Brian Atlasa little Hold on. You've been obnoxious and passive aggressive the entire >> See, I told you you were going to get annoyed with me. I just said that. >> Yeah. So, I'm I'm not annoyed. I'm just

Brian Atlaspointing out that your tone, if we're going to be having a discussion of tone, has not been the most uh sterling, let's say. So,

Brian Atlas>> I came on here to match your energy. >> Mhm. It's a matching of energy. >> You came Okay. So, what was the energy that I was giving? Because I I'm the one who matches energy. Typically,

Brian Atlas>> it's just matter of fact. Like, you want to be matter effect, I can be matter of fact. >> Well, obviously, when it comes to my tone, being the host, that means I'm going to be directing the conversation a

Brian Atlaslittle bit. But anyways, I'm not really interested in engaging with your tone policing. What I am interested in engaging with is what are the actual things that I say, not the tone. The things that I say or the ideas or

Chloe (UK Goth)whatever it is that you disagree with. >> Okay. I apologize. I should have stated clearly that I meant the tone. >> Yeah. >> Not my anti-feminist views, not my conservative views.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Like I say, that's your opinion. I We don't have to agree on those things. I can still respect you as a human being, >> but the tone thing is bigger to me >> than some of the other stuff.

Brian Atlas>> So, for example, my like anti-immigration position. Uh, it's just the tone. >> Yeah, >> you're fine with me being anti- illegal immigration. >> If that's what you want to do, if that's how you want to play your life, that's

Brian Atlasnot my problem. I don't agree with it, but that's for you to handle. >> So, the tone, >> that's your team. So just to be clear, any any belief or idea I can have is

Brian Atlasacceptable so long as the tone in which I express it is okay. >> Why do you think like so many rich people like

Chloe (UK Goth)the way that they get rich is the tone? It's very important. You can make people believe what you want to believe just with how you

Brian Atlascarry yourself. >> That was completely incoherent. But >> thank you. >> So >> I pride myself on being incoherent. >> That's fine. Okay. You don't like the

Brian Atlastone. What are the dumb positions that I have though from your perspective? >> I just used what the word dumb cuz >> Okay. What are the positions you

Brian Atlasdisagree with then? >> I don't care what the word is.

Brian AtlasI don't know. >> So, you just concede the argument then. >> I'm bored of talking. >> I know it's difficult. This is why the wage this is why the wage gap exists. By the way, I don't know if you believe in

Chloe (UK Goth)that, but women's incompet in with >> sometimes I like just I'm not get you know what and I'm not even arguing with that. Just cuz I earn what I earn. I'm not saying that like

Carmen (Arson)fine whatever if you want to believe what you want to believe. I'm just I'm here purely just vibing. >> I totally agree with her though because like one of my other best friends, he is he he loves Trump. He loves immigration

Carmen (Arson)and stuff. All this stupid stuff, but we can roast each other. We love to roast each other on our views and then at the end we hug, you know, cuz we love each other. >> Beautiful. >> Yeah. Like because we we like we know

Carmen (Arson)we're not like judging each other because like we have so many other things that are in common, you know? So, at the end of the day, like like if you're able to, you know, say these

Carmen (Arson)things, but also say good things about us, then then we're going to get along. >> That's great. But again, I'm just I'm simply asking for what it is you

Chloe (UK Goth)disagree with me on. >> And I there's nothing specific. >> So, it's just the tone. It's just the tone. She agrees with me on everything.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> No. >> Okay. Feminism is bad. Do you agree? I It's less about what you're saying and more that I don't care to have an opinion on whether to agree with you or not.

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Wow, that's productive. >> Yeah. Well, how is this productive? >> I mean, that's kind of the whole substance of the show. >> I mean, how is life product? Like, literally, you could be like so meta

Chloe (UK Goth)with it. Like, how is any of this productive? That's some deep philosophical exactly >> there. But, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Um, I guess yeah, I guess what? >> Exactly. >> I guess we just couldn't. What if we

Brian Atlasdidn't even exist? >> Exactly. What if? It's always a what if? >> If that's true, why get tattoos? >> Cuz the world might explode tomorrow. We're back. >> Why get tattoos? >> Why not? >> If nothing matters. >> Why not?

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Why? >> Why not? >> But why? >> Cuz I want to be a All these people being like, "Oh, you look like a Sharpie. You look like a coloring." I want to be a coloring book. I love art. I want to be a like human coloring book

Brian Atlaswalking around. That's great. >> Okay. >> I want to express myself. >> All right. That was stimulating exchange. Um, >> thank you. >> You also said though being a man, you

Brian Atlashave disagreements with the show host about being a man. I don't understand that. >> Are you a misandress? >> No. I mean,

Brian Atlas>> do you do you hate men? >> Nah. sometimes, but I also hate women sometimes. So, I'd say it's pretty even. >> In general, do you hate men? Like, for example, there are some men and some

Brian Atlaswomen that I hate, like specific individuals. I'm saying broadly, do you hate men?

Chloe (UK Goth)>> I would say I it's easy for me to hate. Well, I don't know. I don't like if I meet a man for for the first time, I'm not like immediately like

Chloe (UK Goth)>> rewind, finish it and reverse it. >> It's it's easy for you. Go ahead, repeat it. >> It is easier to be like, okay, well, men have done me wrong in the past, so therefore I'm immediately going to like put all men on the same pedestal, but I'm

Chloe (UK Goth)>> Yeah, >> obviously that's not productive and that's not >> Do you think it's sexist? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is sexism bad? Sex isn't bad. I I

Brian Atlaspersonally believe so. >> Okay. I mean, I guess so. You're a sexist. >> No. >> Oh, but you engage in sexism. >> No. Well, so do you. >> Yeah.

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