2 RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson! MANSPLAINING?! Social Justice Girl HEATED DEBATE! | Dating Talk #173
Date: 2024-06-26
Duration: 7h 43m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01TTS(audience)
SPEAKER_02Maddie(audience)
SPEAKER_03Nick(audience)
SPEAKER_04Mia Huffman(guest)
SPEAKER_05Izzy / Avery(guest)
SPEAKER_06Sheena Ray(guest)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Anna Bochenko(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Michaela(guest)
SPEAKER_13Lizette(guest)
SPEAKER_14Shai(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:06
QuoteIzzy (Coco) recognized as original Whatever Podcast episode 1 guest (two-year anniversary).
“she's an OG Coco here was on our first ever uh whatever episode”
00:21:03
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible.
“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing debate channel on the internet”
00:46:09
QuoteShai reveals she has a roster of 30 men and rotates 4-5 per week.
“my roster is about 30 men... I rotate between four to 5 a week”
02:03:00
ControversyBrian threatens to kick Shai off show after she admits she wasn't listening to the AI girlfriends question.
“if we have to repat one more question to you and you're not listening I'm just going to kick you off the show”
02:22:27
ControversyShai and Imogen (both AU OnlyFans) walk off set at ~2:22-2:27.
“they just walked off the set without any justification or for any reason whatsoever”
02:25:36
Key MomentBrian publicly reprimands Andrew Wilson for repeatedly raising sexual abuse topic after being told not to before show.
“I'm getting upset because I've told you multiple times avoid it”
03:38:36
Key MomentLizette walks back mansplaining accusation on camera after Brian's questioning exposes she cannot cite a specific incident.
“honestly no I can't... I want to take that back... it wasn't necessarily the mansplaining”
04:44:06
ControversyMichaela states promiscuous women/OnlyFans creators will struggle to find true love — directed at Mia.
“99% of these girls will never find happiness in life... promiscuous women will never find true love”
04:51:00
QuoteMia reveals she filmed boy-girl OnlyFans content with prior 3-year partner who she expected to marry, and started OnlyFans to support her separated parents.
“I filmed boy girl for a short period of time with my partner of a long term we expected marriage”
05:30:00
QuoteBrian explains why women overestimate their looks: sexual access to attractive men skews self-perception vs. actual relationship market value.
“the difference is is like women will get some degree of attention from men who are more attractive than you... you get rejected on the back end”
05:53:26
Key MomentAndrew logically demonstrates a guest cannot simultaneously self-rate 9, rate neighbor 9, and claim she would not lie about looks out of kindness.
“there's no possible way that you can rate yourself the prettiest girl at the table and then rate the girl next to you as pretty as you are”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Guest Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian gives show announcements.
00:21:03
Relationship Status Round
Guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, recent dating activity.
00:34:36
Dating Apps / Serial Dating
Discussion on dating app culture, free meal dynamics, and transactional dating.
00:47:06
AI Girlfriends / Sex Robots
Discussion on AI girlfriends and sex robots — whether women feel threatened, societal implications.
01:23:00
Marriage Debate
Extended debate: should men get married? Andrew, Brian, and guests argue pros/cons of marriage vs. long-term relationships.
02:22:27
First Rage Quit (AU Girls)
Shai and Imogen walk off show after sexual abuse topic raised by Sheena against Brian's instructions.
02:27:00
Cheating / Forgiveness Debate
Debate on whether infidelity can be forgiven in marriage; different standards for male vs female cheating.
02:41:40
Virginity / Body Count Stories
Multiple guests share experiences with virginity, first relationships, and body count.
03:06:15
Mansplaining / Social Justice Debate
Lizette discusses co-founding Women in Business UCSB. Debate on mansplaining accusation (walked back). Feminism waves.
03:46:40
Equity vs. Equality / Selective Service
Andrew and Lizette debate whether men should get double votes due to draft obligation. Equity vs. equality.
04:16:00
Age Gap Relationships
Guests discuss preferences for older/younger partners. Michaela and Sheena discuss their own age-gap experiences.
04:20:26
What Guests Bring to Relationships
Going around the table: what each woman brings to a relationship.
04:45:00
OnlyFans / Promiscuity Debate
Michaela argues promiscuous women/OF creators rarely find true love. Mia responds with her own OnlyFans story.
05:30:00
Physical Appearance / Ratings
Ratings round: guests rate themselves and each other. Andrew analyzes honesty/deception in female self-ratings.
05:30:00
Women's Self-Overestimation
Brian explains why women overestimate their physical attractiveness due to asymmetric sexual access to attractive men.
06:13:40
Type / Partner Preferences
Each guest and Brian shares physical and personality preferences in a partner.
07:17:21
Penis Size Debate
Guests guess average penis size; show measures against average.
Transcript
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00:56:09
Andrew Wilsonfemales okay and they were genetically close enough that men if they had sex with them could impregnate them and they came down and they said they said listen
00:56:21
Andrew Wilsonwe're here for the male DNA and there's just billions of us and we need to be impregnated by she doesn't argue and she hang on hang on let me hang on let me finish please let me finish okay there's billions of us we need to be impregnated
00:56:33
Andrew Wilsonby the men and we're all they're all beautiful in comparison to like the average female would you guys feel threatened then would you feel like oh we have cuz there's no actual competition to this at all right so I
00:56:45
Andrew Wilsonthink it's a matter of perspective no woman's ever seen any competition other than other women so I'm just wondering if that Dynamic existed would you feel threatened then no because it's nothing we can do about it anyways just radical
00:56:56
Izzy / Averyaccept better than us there is something women can do can I say something I don't think that women just the only competition in life is like other women like let's not say that like there's
00:57:07
Izzy / Averymany things like a lot of women don't even my competition is not driven by other women yes like I obviously know that other guys find women attractive and that's a thing but I don't see it as like competition well but I mean then
00:57:19
Andrew Wilsonwho are you competing with men have to compete inside of a higher structure yeah I know okay but that's kind of a cop cuz you're a woman at least I have so you're saying I don't have to compete with other women I don't have to compete with women but if
00:57:32
Andrew Wilsonyou're competing with yourself you're still competing with a woman so I I I don't really even understand that that cop out right men have to compete within a hierarchy and women seem like they have to compete with other women for the
00:57:43
Sheena Rayright kind of men but I don't see where women have to compete with men can I say something about this I think actually it's in Netflix it's a Russian uh TV
00:57:55
Sheena Rayshow that all the women are like gorgeous and perfect and I see it I'm fascinated but I think if it actually happened me personally I won't feel threatened not because I'm not threatened because I'm too threatened so
00:58:06
Sheena RayI have nothing to compete I'll just give in you know take them and that's it I cannot compete something that is superior you know I feel like if they came out with like an AI woman they'd
00:58:17
Andrew Wilsonalso come out with an AI man likewise so yeah that's true now I now hang on while I totally agree with that um that they would in fact try to
00:58:27
Andrew Wilsonsatiate that market very very quickly um ai ai men aren't going to provide resources and it seems that the distinction here between men and women
00:58:38
Andrew Wilsonis that often women are going for men who provide resources men are not going for women to provide them with resources they don't give a if women have resources or not they don't care if you're the hot chick at the Taco Bell or the hot chick who's the CEO of the
00:58:50
Andrew Wilsoncompany they like both equally right they think both of them are equally worthy of carrying their baby wait Andrew one thing on this though that it does occur to me if we're to the point where we have like AI you're talking
00:59:02
Brian Atlasabout like AI sex robots basically right yeah post I honestly I think that if we're at technologically that advanced we might be in like a post scarcity
00:59:13
Andrew WilsonWorld in terms of resources yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure about that so it depends so if you go back and you look for instance if you were just go back the porn industry and you realize that
00:59:24
Andrew Wilsonthe reason we move from VHS uh not to laser disc which was better than DVD was because that was the standard the corn industry wanted to use Industries can be hyper focused on a
00:59:35
Andrew Wilsontype of Technology whereas other Industries stay totally stagnant the industry right now seems to be really focusing on this technology so it could be in the next 20 years far more advanced than you think while other
00:59:46
Andrew Wilsonthings stay pretty stagnant maybe maybe farming equipment and stuff like that really doesn't keep Pace with whatever the sex robots are so uh I think it's I think it's possible that you you could
00:59:56
Andrew Wilsonsee a world in which there are uh you know beautiful AI driven sex robots and uh and and if that's the case and then we draw kind of that alien parallel
01:00:07
Andrew Wilsonright it it seems that women would kind of be the ones in the the negative there because they're not going to get resources from this robot
01:00:16
Andrew Wilsonand there be any type of government like regulation to that per se I me c certainly I mean I certainly think that there there would be but what are they going to regulate right oh I want to
01:00:30
Sheena Raystay home and Hunt my robot like what are they going to regulate honest you know what I mean like what are they going to I I have to be honest without sounding rude but with the majority of the women I see in this country probably
01:00:40
Anna Bochenkothe AI going to be much better sorry to absolutely I completely agree it's a I mean There is girls I what we need to
01:00:49
Anna Bochenkoprovide to men exactly is the support connection and Men already don't have that understanding I mean they've been judged they are not being uh worshiped
01:01:01
Anna Bochenkoin this country hate men let's ad they're not getting gratitude I mean just uh listening just few words from I mean he was gaming right he was doing games why didn't you guys talk about
01:01:13
Anna Bochenkolike how you will like his Hobbies how he will like uh your hobbies you got to love about man that that in particular was just a hobby that I will never get into well we'll get into that I do I do
01:01:25
Brian Atlaswant to try try to we can come back to the AI stuff let's get let's get everybody's intro out of the way and then we need to also there's a bunch of ttss that are still on the intro here I'm going to get relationship status
01:01:37
Brian Atlaswe'll do the ttss we'll come back to some uh convos uh relationship status I think uh I just we just broke up a relationship after four years
01:01:46
Sheena Rayunfortunately how long you been single uh now six months 6 months okay and longest relationship uh 12 years was that your
01:01:56
Sheena Raymarriage yes uh married just once uh married once actually married twice but the second time it's to get out of the army oh okay all right what about you um
01:02:09
BackgroundI'm single and I have been for like a year and a bit and my longest relationship was like nearly 6 months I'm married for 4 years and my
01:02:19
Michaelalongest relationship is about 6 years which is my current husband we dated for about a year and a half before we got married uh married uh 10 years together
01:02:31
Brian Atlasseven years married and this is my longest relationship and happily married all right great great great let me get some of these chats to come in sorry guys I had to pause it there
01:02:42
TTStemporarily Brian say something in French donated $69 my sprinkler goes like this
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Brian Atlasthis all right than say something in
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Brian AtlasFrench okay F mer
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Brian Atlassast okay um where oh more chats more chats thank you thank you uh hold on guys we're they're coming
01:03:43
TTSin right now ROM donated $69 please Brian For the Love of All that's good kick the Aussie off last show was unbearable because of her I
01:03:54
Brian Atlasdon't think I can listen to her stupidity for another minute uh we'll see how the show goes it's loading though it's loading oh my God we're loading
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TTSup all right thank you uh ROM appreciate it man sorry there coming in now paladins donated
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TTS$100 for the social justice degree I'll take my latte brief with three Kem and three Splendor I think that's for you all right he's he's giving you is uh coffee order coffee
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TTSorder um sorry it wasn't it wasn't the degree in social justice it was economics yeah you can do that minor that was base donated
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TTS$69 around the table communism or capitalism which is better go ahead #f free Kazakhstan Capital communism
01:04:52
Sheena Raycapitalism communism uh depending on the situation okay we'll come back to that okay over capitalism capitalism capitalism
01:05:02
Sheena Raycapitalism is a scam cap wait what I have my opinions on that but I don't want to talk about it on no but so which is better over communism dep common is it's black and white but no
01:05:14
Sheena Raysomewhere in the middle so which is better that's the question capitalism it's better because we live freely but in a way it's also destroying us okay captialism
01:05:26
Michaelacater caterpillar I don't know how to say it caterpillar ISM capitalism what about you capitalism of course capitalism okay
01:05:38
Izzy / Averyuh wait communism just in like into the mic please like the resources aspect of it you know Distributing them but obviously there's things that are flawed do you
01:05:49
Izzy / Averyhave a good example like tribes they're communist Tech you know because they're they're like dividing the resources equally right like they're all
01:06:01
Michaeladoing the work and it's all going towards like the one cause you know that is the community of people do you find do you think those communities are thriving though well no definitely not
01:06:13
Anna Bochenkoright now it is for the amount of work that you may be doing like 10 times more you would be paid exactly the same as the a person who doesn't do any work at all I think it is equal pay whether you
01:06:25
Michaelaput more effort into that or you don't do anything at all can damage the spirit especially if you're a an entrepreneur type you just want to create and you have so much ambition and there's no point there's no incentive because
01:06:38
Lizetteyou're going to be getting paid the same as everyone else so what's the incentive to work harder what's the incentive to create to innovate to yeah to bring about uniqueness if
01:06:48
Lizetteyou're all going to be paid the same um there's obviously a ton of flaws within capitalism as well not to say that but um I think the the example that you brought up too was before the
01:07:01
Lizetteadvancement of a lot of technology I think when you take technology into consideration as well then you don't prefer like a like a mixed economy or something that's more
01:07:11
Lizettesocialist based me yeah oh for sure for sure but it was it it was choosing between capitalism and communism and if I had to choose between those two yeah
01:07:23
Brian Atlasbut definitely for a mix yeah yeah yeah so you would prefer some type of socialism I agree with you also wait so if you could if you could snap your
01:07:33
Izzy / Averyfingers and we switched to Communism over what we currently have would you do it no I would say no you're too far from the M too far from M I'm saying like in an Ideal World you know but no I would
01:07:44
TTSnot like just switch right now all right okay hold on you're letting a couple through wall banger BW donated 69 we do right now can't wait to hear about the
01:07:58
Brian Atlasbivo Fallout Brian big up whatever the video really quick it's funny it's like we'll play the first 10 seconds of it we'll get it out of the way now is B
01:08:08
Brian Atlasreal is he he's an AI sex satire I don't go ahead Nick all right um yeah chice come on air and uh
01:08:19
Backgroundjust say the current situation I'm in um yeah it's not looking great I've posted that that I pretty much have skin I'm not going to lie it's all come from the
01:08:29
Backgroundwhatever podcast lying trying to make a character trying to be like these other influencers and it's all backfired it is all backfired I've beefed the wrong
01:08:38
Backgroundpeople um my relationship is Rocky now because I'm not earning money putting pressure on her um yeah and I'm just getting a lot
01:08:49
Backgroundof hate and I just don't think I can hack this anymore I really don't and I think I'm going to give you pause it he say he he said he's going he claims I don't know if he said in the video he claims he's going
01:09:01
Brian Atlasbroke everybody's calling him out though he's he's obviously lying he's putting on he's doing like a little bit but he blamed him himself going broke on the whatever pod because he came on the
01:09:13
Brian Atlaswhatever podcast and uh look bivo tell you what yo Andrew should we have this guy come back on the show what do you think can't hear you Andrew
01:09:26
Brian Atlassaid let's do a redeemer episode with bivo let's redeem we're going to get him back on track but here Andrew what do you think about this as a contingency he
01:09:38
Andrew Wilsonhas to break up with his o porn star girlfriend if he wants to come back on the show what do you think no I think we should have him on either way oh okay all right that works yeah we should have him on either way we know we get his
01:09:50
Andrew Wilsonside of the story out there we can also ask him specifically why he kind of made up a of these tall like we can ask him some of those questions and yeah you know maybe but maybe we can find some Middle Ground reconciliation with uh
01:10:02
Brian Atlaswith bivo yeah so bivo if you're back in Los Angeles we will have you back on the show so you can redeem yourself
01:10:10
Brian Atlasand uh what's it what's the term you're going to confess to your to your slander how about that okay all right we have
01:10:19
TTShold on let me let these other ones come through F 20 donated 69 $9 AI doesn't replace the human needs and desires to
01:10:30
TTSthe panel can AI be a hypothetical to disconnect the dating scene and maybe reduce birth rates wait disconnect the dating scene maybe reduce reduce birth
01:10:41
Brian Atlasrates so he's Pro AI I guess uh yeah yeah thank you m mosu appreciate
01:10:51
TTSit yo Church of thent thology big rig Kim donated $69 my wife and I are old school lesbians and don't agree with
01:11:03
TTSlgbtq we think that most of the US has accepted gays and lesbians but lgbtq keeps going out of their way not to be
01:11:11
Izzy / Averyaccepted thoughts I mean true okay what is an old school lesbian what is I'm not sure what an old school like monogamy like you're too far you got scoot into
01:11:24
Mia Huffmanthe table they're just like I'm guessing an older couple I think they mean just like they're not nearly as open about pride and kind of expressing themselves as freely as can I explain can I exp
01:11:34
TTSRyan Callaway donated $69 to the Israeli I'm sorry you had to go through the terrorist attack in the aftermath glad you're back up on your feet now besides the Aussie great panel
01:11:47
Brian Atlastonight so far all right guys we're going to boost the TTS up to uh 200 Nick if uh you can uh hold on guys let me just change a couple things Reed is 100 TTS is 200 all
01:11:59
Brian Atlasright we're going to let that switch now uh okay we got everybody's relationship status I'm trying to remember exactly where we had left off we were talking about AI for a little bit um I don't
01:12:10
Brian Atlasknow if there's much more there unless Andrew you had a few closing thoughts on that specific topic yeah I mean I just try to think
01:12:19
Andrew Wilsonabout it from um from the angle of men too right from women so like if an alien race came down alien species came down and they were all really really
01:12:30
Andrew Wilsongood-look men with tons and tons of resources I think that human men would have a big problem right they would have a big problem on their hands we would basically you know I think we would go
01:12:42
Andrew Wilsonextinct on this end true I agree but but when but when it's kind of reversed when I asked women this question now and to be fair most of this panel was like yeah we would have a big problem but I if I ask women this question they often are
01:12:54
Andrew Wilsonlike no I still don't think that there would be I think that there would though I think that there would be a big problem uh because of that resource exchange and so I think when we're talking about AI we can it's not a Perfect Analogy but I think it maps on
01:13:07
Michaelapretty well to to what people are foreseeing in the tech markets yeah I think it's just easy not to care about the collective sometimes and just be like I wouldn't care but I guess it would be for everyone else who's alone I
01:13:19
Michaelathink you would care too no right I mean I mean I'm just saying it's easy to say it and then if you're actually exper exper it would be absolutely terrifying it would be terrifying I mean I I'd be
01:13:29
Michaelasafe personally but I have somebody I mean I mean would you would yeah no no I would I would um no doubt about that but I do even if the aliens came down yeah I mean I I would if you're talking about
01:13:41
Michaelain the sense of would an alien girlfriend steal my man I don't think that's going to happen um actually I'm very confident it wouldn't but I do care that it would happen to others so I
01:13:53
Sheena Rayguess I don't have to be that apathetic uh Andrew you remember the movie with Kim Basinger actually exactly on the same topic it was like she was playing a woman from space it was gorgeous perfect and then she brought in the end of the
01:14:05
Sheena Raymovie all the women from her planet that they all looking gorgeous and the regular women there were like looking at them in shocked so yeah at the same time she doesn't have per or that movie
01:14:16
Sheena Raycalled it was it was actually with a Bruce Willis and I think it was Bruce Willis and Kim Basinger exactly about what you said what you're talking about I remember that so check it out it's
01:14:27
Andrew Wilsonreally it's not AI but it's like um alien that looks gorgeous and perfect gotcha I mean the the last movie I saw where it was about alien who look gorgeous was species and I thought that
01:14:40
Andrew Wilsonthat encapsulated female nature pretty well yeah I'll check it out yeah you should definitely check out species that will uh that'll tell you a
01:14:50
Michaelalot about the female nature for sure the segment can be Andrew's movie
01:14:59
Anna Bochenkorecommendations all right what did I miss anything can I add one thing about the question where the guy was talking about that he went on a date sure and he wasted money and everything uh so uh as
01:15:12
Anna BochenkoAndrew mentioned that lots of people actually meeting on online and that is true uh my the couples from my servers they meeting online but the way to make
01:15:21
Anna Bochenkoit uh effectively in dating and very out their wrong women is why not to get them invested first um with their time and um
01:15:33
Anna Bochenkoyou know just start video talking with them you know make the uh get before you get actually to the real date check and see if she is really into
01:15:44
Anna Bochenkoyou see her on the video I mean it is reported that when the guys get on the video dates that nine out of 10 women is not exactly to their standards not exactly what displayed in their profile
01:15:56
Anna Bochenkoso why not to make it effective save lots of money talk to her on the video see if there is connection you know and then when you go on a date and Brian I
01:16:06
Anna Bochenkothink men should pay uh for the meal in a restaurant but I think men will not mind to do that when they know that they actually with a high quality female and that they that yeah that she is
01:16:19
Brian Atlasdefinitely into you can I answer your question so these two girls are currently five other men would you recommend that if I'm on a date with either of them that I ought to pay for the pay for their meal if I'm on
01:16:31
Anna Bochenkoa date with either of them but why would you want to go on a date with them to begin with I wouldn't so it is the choice that you are making for yourself do you choose the women who has low standards and values or do are you
01:16:43
Anna Bochenkoactually looking for a high value partners for their uh for their quality relationship it really depends what you're looking for if you're looking just to get late a lot of a lot of women are less than they might be less than
01:16:54
Anna Bochenkohonest with what their situation is so you have no way to determine that right so make them invest to talk with you on the video first I mean they're not being paid for it right we're talking about
01:17:05
Sheena Rayjust video call whatever it is on the you know on the uh on the phone just video call not paying per minute of her like and addressing but Andrew is Right a lot of the women lie and they don't tell the truth they're not sincere
01:17:18
Anna Bochenkothat's the problem a lot of people just lie especally wom who have agenda to just go and have a free meal they're not going to be investing the time to speak with someone on the video for free but that's what he says that women lying
01:17:30
Anna Bochenkothat's true that's exactly what he so they will be Ved out I mean they're going to be all I I don't understand why a woman couldn't lie on video yeah a woman is not will not be willing to
01:17:41
Anna Bochenkoinvest her time to speaking with the guy for a couple of hours to uh unless she has sincere interest in here that's what they totally they me I feel like you
01:17:53
Andrew Wilsonwould just totally disagree they do it they do it all the time they sing hours and hours of time talking to different men based on resources completely misrepresent I totally disagree I'm
01:18:04
Anna Bochenkotalking about woman who is actually just having uh just a regular conversation with a guy on video without being paid for it it's not I I disagree I'm talking
01:18:15
Andrew Wilsonabout the same thing though what I'm saying is that I don't really understand why it is that if a guy makes a video call to a woman I will explain suddenly suddenly he's in immune from her being
01:18:26
Anna Bochenkodeceptive saying he would be immune but that gives him the opportunity to create connection to get to know one another so by the time they actually get on a real date they already know if the interest
01:18:38
Anna Bochenkois there if the mutual interest is there and come on in couple hours men cannot figure it out if the woman is really into him or not I mean how much in common they have if he is attracted to
01:18:48
Sheena Rayher if they see the mutual potential of the future together can I add something please to what you said and what you said uh I I I work with a lot of women and a lot of women literally and I know
01:19:01
Sheena Raythat personally they can sit with a man two three hours on a video call to manipulate him if if he if they know that he have money and resources they would play the game and they're master
01:19:12
Sheena Raymanipulator just they somebody they would talk with this guy this guy this guy after I hear they would take in smooch from each guy money and I manipulate into the uh feeding them in a
01:19:23
Sheena Rayrestaurant of course also of course what do you talk about for the meal yes because it's not just the meal if the guy like her and think you have a potential in the date to get something
01:19:33
Sheena Rayor either you want to go out with her or have sex whatever the women are master manipulator in order to have two three four guys on stand
01:19:44
Sheena Rayby and uh take her okay well I was talking about going in restaurant to for someone to actually pay for the uh for the meal yes but it's not just to restaurant girls not go just for just just for the meal because if the guy is
01:19:56
Sheena Rayis an idiot just to pay for her meal even if she doesn't like him he would be an idiot to put money in her account why do you think only fan and and prostitution and all this is so successful that's where a man control their own wallet I mean it is it's not
01:20:09
Sheena Rayjust that a lot of men don't know how to deal with women especially the women of today because women literally destroyed the world today and I'll explain why because in the 50s women were completely different than the women sorry to cut
01:20:21
Andrew Wilsonthe the combo show but Brian we lost audio on this end what okay back what continue with your point uh my
01:20:32
Brian Atlaspoint is that wait Nick Nick hold on hold on I did you end it you could have probably just done stop start virtual camera just for next time go ahead my
01:20:42
Sheena Raypoint is that majority of the women today and it started in the 70s by the way uh I don't want to M be against anybody but let's be honest a radical
01:20:54
Sheena Rayfeminism M destroy the world and Destroy women wait wait let me finish and it destroy relationship because women kind of like uh uh destroy their own for themselves destroyed it for themselves
01:21:05
Sheena Raybecause you want to be equal to a man you want men to treat you equally everything and you you think that everything you do you you are perfect one what we have a lot of women have
01:21:16
Sheena Rayright men have more value when they get older than a woman okay and if women come and treat men like kallet and everything is has to be transactional
01:21:26
Sheena Rayokay men lose interest and today we are suffering because high quality women like okay you married but high quality woman like me or other girls or other women that I know right they suffer
01:21:38
Sheena Raybecause if I if I look good and I go with a men to dinner immediately they think that if I look sexy and I have big boobs immediately I'm going to go to bed do a line of cocaine you understand the
01:21:48
Sheena Raygood the good women suffer from what the other women did because radical feminism literally destroy the relationships today I am not arguing that it is uh absolutely true the choices that women
01:22:01
Sheena Raymake for the type of men that they go out with I mean that should be on them the type of choices that they make for themselves yeah but everything confused men scared from women women complaining on rape when it didn't happen women go
01:22:13
Sheena Rayout to get men you you you understand like it's so chaotic today to go on a date men can talk to a woman and text with her and then she can go and sue him for something he didn't do and I know a
01:22:24
Sheena Raylot of people that it happened to them you understand like I have a son and I warn him and tell him don't do this don't do that because you don't know what's going to happen you understand women literally destroyed it for us and
01:22:36
Lizettefor relationship and for men and for women it is does anybody disagree with her just curious I think that men also
01:22:46
Mia Huffmanthough there's think I agree I think both sides have their advantages both sides it starts with woman though because we are the stubborn we are the
01:22:56
Lizetteone hold on let her finish go ahead well like me in particular or like we've all I know have probably heard men mature
01:23:05
Lizettelater than a woman does so I feel like finding a connection with someone my age in particular is really hard so then
01:23:14
Lizetteokay we maybe go for older men but then it does come off as us looking to use them for resources and like that it's not what I meant at all well and also
01:23:27
Lizettenot what you meant at all but I'm saying that I don't think it's only woman I think that there are issues on both weird thing it's kind of a weird thing to say because even if we were to grant that women mature faster than men
01:23:39
Andrew Wilsonthey're not they're not maturing to the age of like many years quicker than men right so maybe maybe a man matures or a woman mature is like two years quicker let's say or something like that but in an age Gap relationship you're usually
01:23:51
Andrew Wilsontalking about you know 7 8 9 10 years something like that not within 2 or 3 years so I I'm not really sure that that that that means that much even if women do mature quicker than men you want to continue with your point yeah it's not
01:24:04
Sheena Rayit's not even the I'll explain CU you're younger than me because of my age I saw the generation changes I'm not patronizing you in any way but I I'll explain right when I was younger in your
01:24:15
Sheena Rayage sex was not so free and accessible women have more class she would carry it you know women that sleep around nobody would take them seriously or marri them I want to get into a relationship with
01:24:26
Sheena Raythem today with only fans sorry with disrespect but with only fans and porn and everything women think they doing something good because they value they replace value with money they think if
01:24:37
Sheena Raythey have money they have value but what's going to happen when you get to my age okay you realize that you didn't surround yourself by Good Men and good people that protect you because if a
01:24:48
Sheena Raywoman have a good upbringing surrounded by good brother good friends good family good men that she dating she would never go to this route she would protect herself because the the emotional and
01:25:00
Sheena Raypsychological damage that happened to women after they've been in a in a sexual uh professions it's going to damage you so bad so even if you make
01:25:10
Sheena Ray$20 million or $100 million you can never replace your emotional physical and and physical damage that you're doing to yourself because right now
01:25:20
Sheena Raymaybe you come from a broken home poor house whatever being sexual abused and money it's everything to you but when you get that money and you realize that you have no value whatsoever you're not
01:25:31
Sheena Raygoing to gracefully age like a 50-year-old woman and you're not going to gracefully age the people respect you and if you have kids your kids's going to see it on the internet people going to laugh at them and everywhere you go
01:25:44
Sheena Rayand also I don't want to be disrespectful but physically you're your your your you know I don't want to say that word but you know what I mean we are women we are the portal of the
01:25:54
Sheena RayUniverse we bring life we have value and the value when we bring kids when we get married when we have family when your kids grow up and they see you are you're supposed to be a mother in this world
01:26:05
Sheena Rayand not to be a tool so every DNA that you have in your body from every man it's it's what going to make you sick from the inside for the rest of your life and it's no money that could repair that yes that's
01:26:20
Brian Atlas[Music] awesome enough good answer that was good all right the chat's going off they're like go off Queen yeah you go she's cook let her
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Brian Atlascook let her cook let her cook okay well done uh where I really said it from my heart because I feel like she could be my daughter which one she and her like I I really honestly I feel really bad for
01:26:43
Sheena Raytwo next to you yeah because you know if it was my daughter I would protect you I just feel that your parents or whoever you grew up with didn't protect you if you had the right love when you grow up it would never happened um like I do
01:26:56
Backgroundactually agree with what you're saying and like I feel like a lot of like only fans girls do come out of broken homes and stuff but I was raised by like an amazing family and I kind of feel like it's not really like how you brought up
01:27:06
Sheena Rayit's kind of even like the people that you kind of like hang around kind of thing hang out with exactly right and I want to I want to add something Janna Jameson she was a big big porn star in
01:27:18
Sheena RayAmerica she's my client SL my friend and we had a long conversations about it she's not doing porn for the last 20 years but everything she did when she was young affect her even though she's
01:27:30
Sheena Rayacting and she's modeling she's so smart and she's a loyal friend I can tell you from personal knowing her no matter what she's going to do it will never erase from the her history people and men in particular are going to see her as a
01:27:43
Sheena Raysexual object even if she have a regular conversation they going to remember the tattoo on her butt and they go remember all the sexual activity she had so never you can never erase and if you're
01:27:54
Shaisitting in this podcast there a reason that you re you know you rethink about it and see how you're going to change it and give example for a younger woman not your um I do agree with what you're saying but I feel like within
01:28:07
Shaithis day and age and like how the generation is like I was brought up I never really got attention from my family I I didn't get love and I got
01:28:16
Shaisexually saled by my stepdad so I feel like that's why I started it I all men value me the same so so can can I that's why I I have to tell you something okay
01:28:28
Sheena RayI have to tell you something I grew up in a broken home my dad sit in jail for murder my whole life my uncle tried to molest me but I was strong cuz the conversation I had with my dad be
01:28:38
Sheena Raycareful with the just say say just say essay like we told you guys sorry sorry sorry there's no there's no okay sorry sorry can I continue but I want to tell
01:28:49
Sheena Rayyou something you have back go ahead sorry you have to protect yourself in this world if you want protect yourself nobody will protect you because when you're at your home you protect it but
01:29:00
Sheena Raywhen you go out to the street it's a jungle everybody's out to get you not just men if you want protect yourself don't go from one incident that happened
01:29:09
Sheena Rayand based the love of this to to to evaluate who you are as a as a person you're not a sexual being you're a lot
01:29:18
Sheena Raymore than that take the therapy listen to to to uh affirmation work on yourself don't go out of the house clean this energy out of you because you're a lot
01:29:29
Sheena Raymore than that and you know you don't need to Define Yourself by one incident because if everybody would be like that the world would be ruined okay I agree
01:29:40
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01:30:08
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01:31:05
Brian Atlaslittle bit here on the gaming thing you said oh him gaming wasn't a great thing so going around the table for the ladies uh is uh do you kind of look down upon
01:31:14
Brian Atlasokay sorry I hold on I'm not offended that you don't want to date a guy who doesn't don't care uh what's G is it is it a deal
01:31:25
Mia Huffmanbreaker red flag if a guy's a gamer not necessarily I think it's important to have hobbies that don't necessarily add to your income or your earnings in any matter of that sort something that you enjoy but I think as well with something
01:31:37
Mia Huffmanlike gaming because it can definitely alter somebody's personality in terms of addiction it definitely can have issues and cause issues onto relationships I don't think it's a deal breaker but it's definitely not ideal for somebody to have overc
01:31:50
Izzy / Averyconsumption I would agree with what she just said I don't think that it's like a Deal or No Deal does it give you the ick it does and it is a little bit of a red flag for me because my last relationship
01:32:00
Izzy / Averythat I told you about he was a gambling addict and I feel like that's definitely like an indicator like okay if you're playing games I don't know that could lead to other things like she was saying
01:32:10
Izzy / Averylike addiction no you're playing World going that far but I mean math addict it's definitely a sort of addiction so it could does it give you the I Mia is
01:32:21
Izzy / Averyit Maya or Mia either works um it it could definitely give me the I here and there depending on how much they do what about you does it give you the ick no I wouldn't say it gives me the ick I mean people should be allowed to enjoy whatever Hobbies they have as your
01:32:34
Lizettecurrent boyfriend does he play video games not that often sometimes what about you what was the uh you see us the not that often sometimes which I'm like
01:32:42
Lizettetotally okay with this was just a little too often it was add um how many hours per day uh and he knows it's a lot too it
01:32:54
Lizettehad to have been like at least like five six hours but it was like after rookie numbers that those are some rookie numbers I said at least yeah that's rookie numbers Brian's so okay so rookie
01:33:05
Lizettenumbers and again yeah I'm all for or and and I've played some um smash I love smash what game what kind of games would
01:33:13
Lizettehe play uh I think or it was things like Call of Duty just yeah so I mean I'm all for Rock Band and things like that that we can
01:33:24
Lizettetogether but um when it's just you know me coming over thinking that we're going to do something together and I have to watch you for maybe an hour just and
01:33:35
Sheena Raypretend to be interested it was just hours day that's okay um no I don't mind it um I don't cuz the the glasses for
01:33:47
Sheena Raythe for the gaming consider because I love it I mean meta yeah I I me I love this I mean I love guys that play as long as it's not taking over their lives
01:33:58
Michaelamhm um no I wouldn't get the ick it's not my thing I'm going to be honest um would I get the ick no but if you are if you have to become
01:34:08
Michaelanocturnal to make your life work because you game that much that's that's when I draw the line but personally through experience I've dated a gamer um it I
01:34:20
Anna Bochenkolike that he had the hobby I like nerdy guys but that was too much for me me and I wouldn't do it again ever ever I think when you are in a relationship and you if you had chosen that man uh for your for yourself you
01:34:32
Anna Bochenkojust got to love what he loves and you know my husband he plays games I have no idea what type of game he plays but it is something shooting so I call it like my honey is saving the world you know so
01:34:44
Anna Bochenkouh and he comes back like from plane like sweetie did you save the world yeah save the world sometimes I would sit next to him to see how he is saving the world that's my man you know so do I
01:34:54
Anna Bochenkohave interest in uh any gaming no absolutely not but I'm there there sometimes you know to to support him make a few jokes about it and you just have to love what your men love because
01:35:06
Michaelawhen you choose that guy for yourself you got to connect if you Pi him yeah you have to accept it it's not like he's hurting anybody you you you chose him
01:35:16
Lizetteyou knew right so that's on you I wonder what the equivalent is for women that's a good question like taking May too long to get ready shopping
01:35:28
Andrew Wilsongirlfriend yeah I have I have kind of a different angle on this I think um and this this comes from having raised many women into adulthood and uh seeing their
01:35:39
Andrew Wilsonbehavior women waste their time on so much frivolous it's unbelievable okay I mean I didn't realize how long a manicure took but it takes a long long time and they get them done all of the
01:35:52
Andrew Wilsontime all the time non stop okay beautification processes take a long long time they waste their time on tons of frivolous stuff scrapbooking all kinds of right stuff that I don't
01:36:03
Andrew Wilsoncare hang on stuff that I literally don't care about at all and most men don't care about but the reason I think
01:36:12
Andrew Wilsonscrabooking would be your a what's that so scrapbooking would be your a yeah yeah yeah well maybe maybe Hobbies have changed but they're all frivolous Pursuits essentially I don't I don't see
01:36:23
Andrew Wilsonwhen doing really anything in the way of uh of hobbies that aren't time wasters right crocheting is huge right now and people make so much money from it not all women just
01:36:34
Andrew Wilsonsaying on social media or pictures so I'm never I'm never saying never saying women when I say women I never mean a monolith I'm always going to leave some exceptions there right there's going to be a few that don't do this kind of
01:36:45
Andrew Wilsonbehavior yeah but I've noticed that they definitely spend a huge amount of time on beautification things like this uh and just having their nails done in a certain way that has the right Speck of
01:36:57
Andrew Wilsongreen and they'll redo them 15 times and I've seen them do this right over and over and over yeah you're all laugh because you know it's true right they do it all the time but what men I think that the reason that men Express uh
01:37:08
Andrew Wilsonthrough video games quite often is because men enjoy stories and they enjoy storytelling um and if you have looked at what comes out of Hollywood and what is on the TV it's uh men are bumbling
01:37:20
Andrew Wilsonidiots they're stupid they're Homer Simpsons women are in charge they're empowered they're awesome video games used to be a pretty good venue uh for storytelling and the stories used to be interesting and so that's why men would
01:37:32
Andrew Wilsonbe interested in playing them and then when MMOs came out that was again a way for for men to hang out from all over everywhere and compete with each other without violence because we're not allowed to do that anymore right unless
01:37:44
Andrew Wilsonit's in some hyper regulated top tier industry exactly so so I just wonder if um if you're not looking at it from the perspective of men but only from the perspective of attention so I think it's
01:37:57
Andrew Wilsonwell I just am not getting enough attention I just feel like I have to compete with these hobbies that you have uh not necessarily the hobby itself so just just an observation I've made good
01:38:09
Brian Atlasgood OBS good observation good observation I'm going to get into some of my uh pre-show notes here so actually I mean one thing I'd like to start off some of you
01:38:21
Brian Atlasmay be familiar with the show you've seen the show does any body have any disagreements on anything those of you who've seen the shows I know some of you maybe haven't uh I maybe you've heard something Andrew
01:38:33
Michaelasaid maybe you've heard something I've said any disagreements from anybody we'll start there no worries if not but um I've think I've heard you say that uh you find that you personally would not get married or you don't believe in
01:38:44
Michaelagetting married in this modern day I think that's a very fair and rational Outlook I just still think that I still think that you just deserve to get married one day and it will be good if
01:38:55
Michaelayou're careful you just have to vet you just have to vet properly it's hard I know marri at Le you'll be Happ I think you'll be happier if you find I think one more reason not to no I think you'll
01:39:07
Michaelabe happier I can't I don't know you so I can't say but I think you'd be happier if you had a woman that was your partner and like took care of all the stressful tedious things at home so you could do your job whatever it is whether it's this or whatever you end do do you need
01:39:20
Michaelato be married for that um not necessarily but I think that chances are that a woman would do that for you knowing that she is secured like legally and Also spiritually by being married to you think the chances are better well I
01:39:32
Michaelathink if you found a girl that did that for you you'd want to I'm just saying the marrying Type n unfortunately I just think you'd be happier that's my disagreement unfortunately women
01:39:43
Sheena Rayunfortunately women uh made it and fixed you know rearrange everything so men don't have to get married in order to live a good life unfortunately I'm saying it you know if it was back in the
01:39:55
Sheena Rayday yes but today men doesn't need to get married in order to live a good life they can have kids they can hire an any live in any whatever unfortunately a lot of women scared men from getting married
01:40:07
Michaelathat's true no and I I'm with you there completely agree I think it's it's really rough out there and another thing is I think that dating apps are it's a small percentage but I just don't think generally they're going to lead to true
01:40:20
Brian Atlaslove I think that's well let's start with the let's do one thing at a time here so let's go back to the marriage thing so I can present to you kind of My reasonings for why I'm not thrilled on
01:40:31
Brian Atlasmarriage uh and so present to you my thoughts on marriage divorce but I actually think a better starting point can you actually present to me compelling and convincing arguments why
01:40:43
Brian AtlasI or other men should get married especially if we uh and I'm hoping you don't make religious arguments on this so uh as opposed to having a long-term monogamous
01:40:55
Michaelarelationship I just think there's something to be said for uh ceremony I think there's something to be said for traditionalism and uh to leave religion out of it because personally I would use that as something but I I get what
01:41:06
Michaelayou're saying to generally suit most people assuming people aren't religious I think there is something to be said for the ritual of it and the commitment the act of that commitment and dedication I don't know it's just so to
01:41:19
Michaelabe clear men should get married because of the ritual no no I said there's something to be said for the ritual of it the ceremony of it I think I think it holds more weight I think I think that if you ever got married which you say
01:41:32
Michaelait's not your thing that's what do you mean it holds more weight I think that when you're married I mean I'm married myself the connection between you two energetically is different and I'm not
01:41:42
Michaelalike a no offense I'm not a woo woo like energy uh astrology girl personally but I just do think it feels different and I think that it I think human beings our feelings and
01:41:55
Michaelaour emotions I'm not saying to make decisions irrationally based on your emotions but I think that what else do we have in this world like you know our how we feel internally that connection
01:42:07
Michaelabecomes deeper it doesn't guarantee anything but I just think there's something to be said for creating more depth to something so what if I just tell you I'm not compelled by your by
01:42:18
Michaelathis can you give me anything else yeah I can say you have free will and you can do what you want can I can I try Brian well hold on I want to give her an opportunity here um
01:42:29
Brian Atlasso I I personally just reject that I would have a greater connection with a woman if we went through with the tradition or ritual so
01:42:38
Brian Atlasuh yeah and I know you know there is an expectation not from some women not all women that you spend x amount on a wedding ring and then you know people
01:42:49
Brian Atlaswill spend five figures upward up to six figures on the ceremony um so on that front we're we're actually
01:43:01
Michaeladown financially um we can do a courthouse marriage well there's there's actually a been a rise even in uh wealthy couples now do I have stats for this no but I've
01:43:11
Michaelaheard about it that even wealthy people are starting to um elope more versus spending tons on a ceremony well I don't really care what other people are doing
01:43:20
MichaelaI'd like to actually hear reasons for why men ought to get married well for me that's what it is I think they ought to because I think that there is more of a
01:43:31
Brian Atlasweight to it and I think more of a weight more of a weight to standing up and promising Somebody But but so let's say the divorce rate is 50 it's clear
01:43:42
Michaelathat it's not particularly effective yeah get in keeping people together I get that just like just like there's a lot of things where in modern society it's not working but it it ought to it ought to but people mindsets are not
01:43:54
Brian Atlasright let me ask you a question so let's assume I'm the perfect husband uh you know treat my treat my
01:44:02
Brian Atlaswife well and she just isn't happy anymore but there's no abuse I'm treating her well she's just not happy
01:44:13
Brian Atlasvaguely not happy is that pretext for a divorce no no I think no no no no hold on in your in your worldview you might think that that's not justification
01:44:24
Brian Atlasbut could she under the pretext of being not vaguely not happy despite their being no abuse in the relationship I'm providing everything's going well
01:44:34
Brian Atlastreating the kids well her being her how she feels her being not happy is that enough for her to just go and get a divorce are you asking me if I think it should be a legal reason or are you asking me if I think she should just
01:44:47
Michaelahave the right to does she have the capacity to get a divorce of course anybody has the right and the capacity I do think any anyone can get a divorce for essentially any reason I'm confused are you asking me if I think it's okay
01:44:59
Brian Atlasfor her to do so because of how she feels cuz the answer would be no to that right so but I mean there's nothing really binding you into a commitment and there's right so there there's so for instance if he's talking weight like
01:45:12
Michaelahe's talking the weight right this is kind of your argument brings more weight to the relationship wouldn't a prenuptual agreement also bring more weight to the relationship I have nothing against a prenup I understand that people feel a little bit hurt and
01:45:25
Andrew Wilsonno no I know I know I know you have nothing against it but if the argument for something is that it brings more weight because it makes the commitment more solid wouldn't a prenup then make a
01:45:36
Andrew Wilsonuh relationship more solid just by the nature that it adds more weight to the relationship more of a commitment a prenup in marriage yeah sure why not so
01:45:47
Andrew Wilsonthen then men ought to get prenups if they want to yes of course no no not if they hang on hang on then they should only get married if they want to right I don't believe forcing anyone to get married so then Brian Brian ought to
01:45:59
Andrew Wilsononly get married if he wants to yeah exactly yeah argum that should get married is that argument that he should do it if he wants to I don't understand
01:46:11
Michaelathis yeah no to answer what I think you're asking is that I think that it's it's worth it to not completely close your mind off to the
01:46:23
Michaelaidea of it and to pursue people with that intention of seriousness whether you want marriage or not but I just think saying absolutely no like I said free will do what you want it doesn't affect me I just think that ultimately
01:46:35
Michaeladoes bring a higher sense of satisfaction to people's lives marriage but what would the actual difference be so let's say I'm in a monogamous long-term relationship with a girl what
01:46:47
Lizetteis the actual difference commitment and the U I am committed to her okay but it Prov it I honestly think that when you come
01:46:56
Lizetteat a Rel or what we might hear if we hear oh but I never want to get ma like married is oh and I don't want something serious I it's hard for me to picture
01:47:07
Lizettemyself married because I grew up in a single parent household and I'm very much like I want to be secure and I want to be financially stable before I enter into something like that um for the reasons that you mentioned someone could
01:47:20
Andrew Wilsonin a relationship just be like this is not working for me anymore can I say something but I'm really I'm really confused on this point though I'm sorry coming coming back to coming back to I'm sorry I didn't catch your name red shirt
01:47:32
Andrew Wilsonwhat did you say Michaela okay Michaela I'm sorry okay I won't forget again it's okay clad I don't I don't mind yeah yeah okay so so back to this this idea of
01:47:42
Andrew Wilsonthat well this proves it the marriage proves that you care that you love me this and that then wouldn't you staying with him absent this commitment prove that you loved him and all of that so
01:47:55
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't that prove it the other direction if he said well I don't want to do this thing you said but I do want to do this thing yeah he say but that proves to me if you do this thing that you love me and he says but it proves to me that if you don't make me do this
01:48:07
Michaelathing that you love me then I think in that situation you just have to make your choice that's fine I think that if you're with a man you deeply and truly love him he says no marriage I mean it's
01:48:19
Michaelayou're better off being with him I do think that I just being with him then not let me be clear but I do think that I just think there's something to be said about actually the ceremony of
01:48:30
Michaelagetting married I know a lot of people get married and they shouldn't and that's too bad but it doesn't negate the in my worldview cuz we're talking about my worldview doesn't negate the importance can I ask you a question
01:48:42
Brian Atlasabout the ceremony you so you're married you've been married for four years um how much did you guys spend on the ceremony $100 oh you just there was so you didn't
01:48:52
Michaelahave ceremony then I had um a ceremony I did I had it in it's like family friend like small group family friends I knew someone that had a place that I could use is an outdoor place is during there
01:49:04
Michaelathere's no music there's no catering there was no there was music but we had a speaker and we had YouTube premium no ads you know um but yeah no I spent $100 it was just on my dress and it's a dress
01:49:15
Brian Atlasthat I can rewear I understand a lot of people like and it was very elegant by the way just just to clarify I'm I'm I'm including you mentioned like you paid 100 on the dress mhm are you talking
01:49:28
Michaelaabout your cost I'm talking about the total like no I get your question okay so it is 100 total total yeah because like the husband because I networked with friends and family and I found a way to set it up without spending any
01:49:39
Michaelamoney besides my dress which I just didn't have a white dress so I needed one no food no no we didn't have anything nothing no let's be clear though let's be clear this is the this
01:49:51
Michaelais the oh well marriage certificate however much that cost okay um I don't know how much that cost I didn't order it but um to be clear this was in 2020 so without saying the buzzword that was
01:50:04
Michaeladuring the time when you know we couldn't have Gatherings and stuff um but I was grateful for it and I just I didn't want to have a big thing anyway but I understand if people do it's fine it's just not for me I don't want to
01:50:15
Brian Atlasstart a marriage off in debt it's not my interest personally I think that will harm the marriage this I mean this just came to my mind I haven't really parsed
01:50:24
Brian Atlasthe argument very well but so I mean do a lot of women look to men to be providers yes yes yeah yes and I haven't
01:50:34
Brian Atlasreally totally parsed this but it just uh so wouldn't a woman like if she's looking at to me to be a provider and that's one of the attractive traits that she sees in a in the male partner is to
01:50:48
Brian Atlasbe a provider wouldn't she be more likely to stay stay committed to me if we were not married because if we are married and for whatever reason the the
01:51:00
Brian Atlasrelationships on the rocks for whatever reason she now has actually a financial incentive to leave me whereas if we don't have a marriage that's been you know it's been say it's been 10 years
01:51:11
Brian Atlaswe've been married uh she can continue to receive my provisioning after a divorce whereas if she's with me and we're not in a relationship
01:51:23
Michaelawait I'm making this is a Terri this is actually actually actually yeah this might be a bad argument actually I get what you're saying it's a valid argument it's just it's just
01:51:34
Michaelathat provision doesn't it's not like just to be clear it's not solely Financial it's protection it's the expectation of protection um so I get what you're saying your fears are not
01:51:44
Brian Atlasinvalid I'm just I'm just saying I still think it's worth it I I'm I appreciate hearing you out not conin but go ahead that's okay okay so
01:51:54
Sheena Rayit's few angles to look at it first of all it's the legal aspect yeah right second of all um I think if you look at
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Sheena Raythe marriage back in the 50s when the woman was most you know sitting at home and raising the kids and giving attention to the kids and to the husband and cooking and everything it was
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Sheena Raydifferent today after how the world look like with marriages that it's just an opportunity to both sides you know um a lot of the a lot of the divorced women
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Sheena Raymarried with a with a single man that never be married and supporting them or well younger woman married with older men you know a lot of the marriage it's not what it used to be back in the 50s