She DISRESPECTED Him?! Based VlRGlN Mason & Brian Atlas vs. Women HEATED DEBATE! | Dating Talk 290

Date: 2026-04-13
Duration: 9h 01m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Angelica(guest)
SPEAKER_02Mason Gregoire(guest)
SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_06Molly(guest)
SPEAKER_07Jade(guest)
SPEAKER_09Dana(guest)

Key Moments

00:01:40
IntroAll guests introduce themselves
00:05:08
Key MomentMason discusses surviving catastrophic motorcycle accident on 9/11/2024
01:00:00
Key MomentAngelica reveals giving ex-husband house and passive income in divorce
01:36:40
Key MomentAngelica confesses she 'fired the first shot' by telling husband he couldn't sit on couch until dishes were clean
02:20:00
Key MomentMason reveals he's still virgin at almost 30
02:31:40
QuoteBrian declares himself Mason's 'dick escort' and 'vagina virtuoso'
08:15:00
ControversyMolly's extreme trivia failures: doesn't know continents, thinks 5x5=20, never heard of Hitler

Topics Discussed

00:01:40
Guest Introductions

Molly (19, OF/Mormon), Jade (28, holistic health), Dana (50, insurance), Angelica (41, real estate), Mason (29, EMT/virgin).

00:05:08
Mason Motorcycle Accident

Mason's miraculous survival from catastrophic motorcycle accident on 9/11/2024.

00:10:10
No-Shows Exposed

Brian exposes 7 guests who cancelled or no-showed with screenshots.

01:00:00
Angelica Divorce Story

20-year relationship, being breadwinner, collaborative divorce, giving ex house and assets.

02:20:00
Mason Virginity and Breakup

Mason's virginity at 29, breakup with Alexa, Brian vetting future women.

02:41:40
Molly OnlyFans While Mormon

Religious contradiction of doing OnlyFans while being LDS.

08:15:00
Molly Trivia Failures

Molly can't name continents, thinks Italy is city in France, says 5x5=20, doesn't know Hitler.

Transcript

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05:45:06
Jadesometimes that's also the difference between right man and boy is like for women, it can feel like we are putting in more when you're dealing with a boy because they're not planning the dates. They're not putting in the effort to
05:45:17
Brian Atlaslike go the extra mile the way a man would, if that makes sense. >> Well, what do you guys think about that scenario I presented? So, the rules to a degree reversed. You guys have to be the pursuers. You
05:45:30
Danaguys have to be the one shooting your shot. You guys have to be the one who have to deal with like constant rejection. >> I wouldn't mind the like the um you see someone who's attractive and you go up and talk to them and you shoot your
05:45:42
Danashot, that would be fine. But then at that point, if they were like, "Oh yeah, she's I want to go out with her." It would switch. It would like give him the go that I'm not going to say I don't like you or you're ugly or I don't want to talk to you or what what have you.
05:45:54
DanaBut then he would take back over the male, you know, the usual thing of taking you out because he would know where you stand. He wouldn't have to shoot a shot because you already shot it.
05:46:04
Angelica>> For me, I mean, I I'm glad that I'm a woman and the guys do that. >> Would you trade? >> Um, I think women like I was I don't know if you were here, but I'm like
05:46:16
Brian Atlaswomen give you the eye, they look at you, they do the eye contact, they tell you it's okay to approach them. Uh, well, hold what? Okay, that doesn't answer my question first, then I'll address that. >> So, that's that's kind of giving you the
05:46:30
Angelicasignal. I'm not going to reject you. I want you to come talk to me. >> That still doesn't address my question. >> Should uh should women pursue and physically walk away? >> Would you make that trade? >> No.
05:46:42
Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> So, you you enjoy your position of privilege of being the pursued. I enjoy my position of my femininity. Yes. >> Your privilege. >> Yes. >> Privilege.
05:46:56
Brian Atlas>> So, yeah, I I do believe it's a privilege to be in this role where you get to sort from the men who approach you. And this idea that women giving the
05:47:07
Brian Atlaseyes, that's the woman doing the approach. Simply staring at somebody and twitching your eyelid. >> Scary like that.
05:47:17
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I understand that. But uh making eye contact with somebody I can >> that that's not that's not that's takes zero effort. That that that's not
05:47:28
Mason Gregoireinitiative really. >> Like okay you glance at a guy for two seconds like no you got to go. >> And the thing is like I've heard like I've heard a million stories of like
05:47:39
Mason Gregoireguys telling me oh well this girl looked at me at the gym or at the bar and I went up to her and tried to talk to her and she immediately shut me down. So it's like >> our ability to like discern what you
05:47:51
Mason Gregoireguys mean when you guys look at us is pretty garbage. >> So it's like hey maybe like come up and talk to us you know I don't know but
05:48:00
Mason Gregoireyeah so the thing is like >> yeah I mean there is that cost of us trying to shoot our shot. Not saying like I wouldn't I mean I'm a player. I'm going to I'm going to shoot my shot
05:48:12
Brian Atlas>> obviously. >> Obviously my uh my zero. >> Yeah. But >> I I mean also this idea like it's also kind of super [ __ ] lame for a guy to be like, I will only approach if I get
05:48:25
Brian Atlaslike some preemptive >> signal. Like if a guy's interested in you, he should shoot his shot regardless of >> the signal or whatever. >> She's more approachable, friendlier, more open to communication. That's
05:48:38
Brian Atlasthat's what I see. >> Okay. Can I ask you a question? every of all the times you've been approached in your entire life, what percentage of the time did you give the eyes? >> I don't have much experience for that,
05:48:51
Angelicabut I want to say men you rejected. >> 50%. And I never rejected them badly. I always said, "Thank you. I'm very flattered." >> That's that's good. Um I guess but um
05:49:03
Brian Atlasso okay, 50% of the men that did approach you didn't have the signal. >> Correct. >> Right. Yeah. So it's like
05:49:14
Brian AtlasI mean the burden is on men. There's an initiative burden. Men have to approach. Men have to make the first move. Men have to carry things. Men have to pay for dates. There's an expectation men have like some financial standing to be
05:49:25
Brian Atlasable to provide and pay for the dates. So my position is dating is harder for for men. And you know, again, we can each list, well, women have to wear put on makeup and women have to do XYZ and
05:49:38
Brian Atlasthey take a lot of time to look pretty. I'm not even going to argue with that. Um, I could, but ultimately though, I do think in situations where we could like
05:49:48
Brian Atlasflip uh, you know, the just the initiative burden like men definitely take that take that trade. Uh, women do
05:49:58
Angelicanot take that trade. Uh, so I don't know. >> I think that's a lot of the romance is I'm very attracted to someone. Even if
05:50:09
AngelicaI'm not physically attracted to them, there's something about them that came that they wanted to talk to me that I appreciate and I thank them for that. I'm very flattered.
05:50:20
Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um well speaking of like sort of initiative and paying on dates the final things from the questionnaire here all of you uh agreed with the first four statements which are men should pay on
05:50:31
Brian Atlasfirst dates men should provide protect men should be chivalous husbands should be willing to die protecting me or you take taking the bullet all of you
05:50:40
Brian Atlascircled those uh all of you agree uh why should men do these things then let's start with the first one why should men pay for dates
05:50:51
Brian AtlasIt's just I feel like that's just part of their end of the deal. >> Their the man's end of the deal. Okay. Uh before we get in, I'll give everybody a chance. What's your thoughts?
05:51:02
Jade>> As far as paying for dates, it's more to me about um like I am putting in a lot of initial investment to get ready for the date. So, it's like the least you could do is pay for my meal. You know
05:51:15
Jadewhat I mean? Like that for a first date. Because for if I'm getting ready on a date, I'm getting my hair done. That's 150 right. >> I'm sorry. Hold on really quick. I got to interrupt you. Uh somebody in the
05:51:25
Brian Atlaschat, Audrey here. Oh [ __ ] you're going to get called out. Uh Audrey, you know what? I'm not going to even debate you in the chat. Uh come on the show. Uh come on the show and we can have a
05:51:36
Brian Atlasdiscussion on the show. You can state your disagreements. Um, so, >> oh my god, >> I I don't know, Audrey, if you're just kind of lacking in critical thinking and
05:51:47
Brian Atlaslogical thinking. So, me posing questions doesn't mean that prescriptively I'm suggesting that there should be a reversal of the roles.
05:51:58
Brian AtlasThat's not what I'm suggesting. Simply having a conversation about something doesn't imply uh that you want a change of roles. Um,
05:52:09
Brian Atlasbut it sounds like So, Audrey, come on the show. You called me a homosexual. Don't worry, I won't call you a lesbian if you even if you are one. I do detect that you have like pink or purple hair. >> She seems like she's one of the ladies.
05:52:22
Mason Gregoire>> She could be ask she might also be homosexual. Um, >> it seems like if you ask this lady like what what would it have felt like if you didn't eat this morning? And then she will say, well, I did eat this morning. M
05:52:33
Brian Atlas>> she's unable to just like think outside of her reality that she lives in. >> Yeah. >> She can't think outside of herself. >> Yeah. And so just to be clear, Audrey, I'm totally fine like I I'm fine taking
05:52:44
Brian Atlasthe initiative. I'm fine paying for dates. I'm fine with all of that, but having a conversation about it wouldn't imply homo homosexuality. Tell you what, Audrey, uh you can come on the podcast.
05:52:56
Brian AtlasI'll buy you a slice of pizza and we can [ __ ] afterwards. And then uh we'll see how much of a homosexual I am. uh challenge except I think sometimes women call you gay to see if you want to f like to try to get them to [ __ ] you know
05:53:09
Brian Atlaslike a woman will be like call you gay and it's a challenge like oh let me prove to you how much of a heterosexual I am like it's I don't know she's it's it's weird so look Audrey I don't know
05:53:20
Brian Atlasyou might not be my type though but we'll see if if you're bring me some baked goods let's see how your sourdough is and we can talk okay uh you can DM out whatever Audrey and we'll get you on
05:53:31
Brian Atlasthe show And um and uh we'll have a discussion about my uh homosexuality or lack thereof. >> Uh speaking of which uh I guess wait
05:53:42
Brian Atlasokay back to this. Didn't mean to cut you off but I had to I saw Audrey talking [ __ ] so I got to you know I got to address it. Audrey send a [ __ ] DM on our Instagram at whatever. Send a DM Audrey and we'll have you on the show.
05:53:55
JadeGo ahead. >> Um yeah just pertaining to like a first date. I just feel like that there's a lot more financial investment on the woman's side as far as preparing for it versus like the man having to pay the one. >> Yes. That's where Yeah. Yeah. Well, can
05:54:08
Brian AtlasI ask you a question? So, is your argument the woman invests more time and energy and she she spends money on the makeup and cosmetics. Uh, and so because she spends conceivably more money for
05:54:20
Brian Atlasthe date, the man should pay uh pay for the date. >> Yeah. For the first date. >> For for the first date. Okay. So, can I ask you a question, though? Let's say uh I take a woman who works at Chick-fil-A
05:54:32
Brian Atlasuh out on a date and she does put on some makeup. She puts on some eyeliner, some mascara, and maybe, I don't know, something else or whatever. I pick her up because uh my part of the date is to
05:54:45
Brian Atlaspick her up, right? And I'm going to take her to a restaurant. I pick her up in a Ferrari. I've spent more money showing up to that date than she has. And she works at
05:54:57
Brian AtlasChick-fil-A and say I make millions of dollars a year. Because I've spent more money in preparation for that date. Couldn't I just argue she should pay for the date? >> Well, you didn't buy the Ferrari for the date
05:55:09
Brian Atlas>> and she didn't buy Wait. So, hold on. Let's say she that that makeup that she purchased, she clearly purchased it. Say she before she met me. >> Okay. So, >> and she wears makeup because she likes
05:55:23
Jadeto wear makeup for personal reasons. >> It's not for men. She wears makeup for hers. >> She makes it wears it for her. >> Well, I mean, yeah. Even in general though, I do still believe that like a man should pay for the first date. >> No, but but your argument was the man should pay for the first date because
05:55:36
Brian Atlasconceivably women >> generally like I'm thinking of my own experience like I put a lot into >> essentially what are the men paying for? No, but but if the argument is men should pay on first aids because look
05:55:47
Brian Atlasand I I'm willing to even grant perhaps in most situations in terms of preparation uh women will pro you know with the makeup and whatever uh the hair women's haircuts cost more uh although
05:56:01
Brian Atlasthey don't get their haircut as frequently as men but whatever. Um, I would say, okay, sure, women spend more money, generally speaking, but using your logic, say I'm a mill I'm a
05:56:12
Brian Atlasmulti-millionaire and she works at Chick-fil-A, but I'm spending more money getting ready for the date. Logically, wouldn't it follow that she has to pay for the date? >> Well, no, cuz I feel like even in that,
05:56:23
Brian Atlasif you're a millionaire, like you're like, why would you expect for >> Okay, let me ask you this. Let's say uh I'm going on a date with a woman and she spends more money getting ready, but uh
05:56:35
Jadeshe also makes more money. Should she pay for the date? >> No. >> But hold on. She makes more money. >> Well, that's just cuz like I personally just feel like men should pay on the first date because >> Okay, but so then your argument can't
05:56:47
Brian AtlasBut you're going to have to abandon >> I was just relating that to myself because of what I put in. >> Right. If we're asking you for justification for why men pay, you now given what you just said, you have to
05:56:58
Brian Atlasabandon >> uh the logic is because that >> No, no, you're going to have to abandon that line of argumentation because person X, whether it's the man or the woman, makes more money, air go, they
05:57:10
Brian Atlasshould pay for the date. But I've just demonstrated to you, like for example, the guy shows the guy's rich, shows up with a Rolex and a Ferrari and a super nice suit. Um, I mean, you might Okay,
05:57:22
Jadelet's say he even buys the suit in preparation for the date. >> Yeah, I can abandon that that what I said before because it's more about the value wise of >> I did get you to abandon. >> I did get you to abandon it though.
05:57:34
Angelica>> Okay, so why should men pay? >> For me, it shows uh generosity. >> Should women also be generous? >> I am very generous. >> Should women be generous >> if if I absolutely >> Okay, so she should pay for the date.
05:57:46
Angelica>> Um, >> or go 50/50. Uh, I have when we are in a committed relationship, I have no problems doing that. >> Okay. But we're talking about like first dates, early days. >> First dates? No. I I >> So, >> okay. But shouldn't it demonstrate her
05:57:59
Angelicagenerosity >> if women should be generous? >> Uh, generosity is a I think a trait that is most and this is gender roles is more
05:58:12
Mason Gregoireimportant for men to show initially than women to show it. So what what trait should women be showing in that in this situation? >> For a traditional man, all of their traditional values, which means >> which are what?
05:58:25
Mason Gregoire>> Which are what? Yeah. >> Which means taking care of me that first date. >> Wait. So >> yeah, what's a woman going to do on the first date? >> What are the women what are the female traits that they need to be displaying to the
05:58:37
Angelicaman on that first date? >> Accepting I'm I'm willing to accept it. Can I pay for that date? Absolutely. >> You're willing to accept >> except what? uh be a um femininity is receiving also being able to accept and
05:58:50
Mason Gregoirebe thankful for that. >> Wait, so the traits that you need to display are that I'm going to take your stuff? >> No, not not take your stuff. >> That's what receiving is.
05:59:02
Mason Gregoire>> Wait, what traits are you displaying? Are you giving to this man to show that I should like me paying for this first date is worth it? We have vetted each other for a while now. I'm not going out
05:59:15
AngelicaI'm not meeting you today and going out with you on a date tomorrow. I have been talking to you for a minimum of two weeks >> and we know each other. >> So then why is he paying for that date then? Cuz you've determined that he's
05:59:27
Mason Gregoiregenerous. He's already displayed that. >> I don't know that he's generous. We've never been on a date. >> So So what traits are is he finding out about you on this first date? Because you're finding out generosity. He knows
05:59:38
Mason Gregoireenough about me that he wants to spend time with me physically. >> So, so again, what what traits are is he figuring out about you on this first date? Because you're figuring out this
05:59:50
Mason Gregoiregenerosity. We'll give you that. You're figuring out generosity. What are you giving >> shared experiences so we can bond together? >> What? >> Shared experiences. Time together. You
06:00:02
Angelicabond together. Mhm. >> You could only talk to each other on the phone and text each other for so long before you want to spend more time together. >> I want to spend time with >> What is he investing in
06:00:13
Brian Atlas>> our relationship? Because he knows me for, you know, he knows about me. >> Wait, really quick. We're going to get right back to this topic. You said you're half black, right?
06:00:24
Angelica>> Mhm. >> Okay, keep going. Sorry. >> I'm sorry. >> I don't want to know. >> I don't want to know. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Keep going. >> That that's that's all it is. It's like
06:00:36
Angelica>> it's a joke. It's a joke. >> It's a joke. It's a joke. It's a joke. >> You like You like me enough to ask me on a date. I will gladly accept. I do want
06:00:45
Angelicato spend time with you. >> And now, yes, I think because I am the man traditional because I am more of a traditional woman and I'm going to go for a >> Okay. So, what is that traditional? What
06:00:58
Mason Gregoireare the traditional things that a man is expecting uh from his first date with a woman? >> Um, would it turn you off as a traditional man if a woman paid for the date? >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, it would. It would.
06:01:10
Mason Gregoire>> That's why I don't do it. >> Okay. So, but I'm expecting certain things from this date. >> What What are you expecting? >> What are you expecting? >> Obviously, I'm not expecting for to sleep with me, but >> I'm expecting like virtues to be
06:01:22
Mason Gregoiredisplayed. What what I what I always find in these in these uh in these conversations I have with women is they never really understand that men are looking for a virtuous woman. Like we're
06:01:34
Mason Gregoirelooking for someone a good I want to say godly man is looking for a virtuous woman who someone who's kind who is like looking for leadership who wants to be a
06:01:44
Mason Gregoiregood helper who wants to be able to support you. Um where she's not expecting you to just pay for everything. I mean, obviously I I when I go on a first date, I'm going to, but she's not assuming that of me. Like, she
06:01:57
Mason Gregoiredoesn't assume that. She just needs to be able to receive whatever she can get from me because that's what she deserves as a woman. No, no, no. She wants to be there. Like, and she wants to display those virtues to me. And one of those
06:02:09
Mason Gregoirekey virtues, that gold bar that she should have still have is her virginity. Like, I protect myself. I ver I I cherish those virtues that I hold strong
06:02:19
Mason Gregoireto. So, when you take me on this first date, I'm going to explain those to you. I'm going to show those to you. I'm going to be extremely kind to the waiting staff. I'm going to be extremely kind to you. I'm going to be interested
06:02:31
Mason Gregoirein you. I'm going to display those virtues. I never encountered that in these conversations. Like, why are those never talked about? I think those are extremely important for us men. >> They are. It is very important.
06:02:43
Brian Atlas>> One quick question. I want to ask a question to the chat. Um, do you guys think a woman like I don't know. I've had this experience. Not that I like I don't really care,
06:02:55
Brian Atlasand I don't think you should necessarily thank the person for just like doing what their role is necessarily, but I do think from like a purely polite,
06:03:06
Brian Atlascourteous thing, like for example, if a friend treats me to dinner, I would thank them. I've definitely been on dates with women. It could even be your girl. Like
06:03:16
Brian AtlasI want my girlfriend I think >> should say thank you. >> Yeah. >> If I take her% if I mean I'm always going to be paying I'm always paying for the food but >> she should say thank you for the lunch
06:03:28
Brian Atlasor thank you for the dinner. Like that's just a courteous thing beyond just dating and relationships. But yo ch question for the chat. >> Have you ever gone on a date with a woman and you paid the entire bill >> and she didn't?
06:03:41
Brian AtlasDo you Well, okay. Two questions for the chat. Do you think she should s say thank you? Like, hey, thank you for the dinner. Thank you for the date. Um, and then, have you ever been on a date with
06:03:53
Brian Atlasa woman where you paid for the dinner, whatever date, and she did not thank you? Say it in the chat. Say in the chat. People in the chat are saying yes. The
06:04:03
Brian Atlaswoman should say thank you. And then tell us um if you've been on a date where the girl did not thank you because
06:04:13
Brian Atlasjust saying. Oh yeah. It's the least she Okay, Audrey. I'm a Audrey said it's the least she can do. Oh my goodness, Audrey. Oh my goodness. See, she's she's coming over
06:04:26
Brian Atlasto the She agrees with me. Good job, Audrey. I'm proud of you. Congratulations, Audrey. Oh my god. This is pointless with the red hair.
06:04:36
Brian AtlasOh, I paid last night and tipped. Oh [ __ ] she's wearing the pants in the relationship. That's a woman with red hair and she >> I've heard it through the grapevine that
06:04:48
Brian Atlasshe pegs men. Just kidding. I'm kidding. >> I am joking. She does not do that. I made that up. >> Uh I don't know. I've definitely been on dates, either first dates or dates with
06:04:59
Brian Atlasa girlfriend. Then then again, do I thank a woman when she cleans my house >> or does my laundry? I [ __ ] her after.
06:05:09
DanaBut do I thank her? I think that's a thank you to make her come. >> Is she? >> That's a thank you. >> I'd rather I'd rather have the thank you. >> Are you sure? >> Oh, yeah.
06:05:21
Brian Atlas>> Are you sure? Did you? >> Women are good at thanking. So, like, are you sure she's getting hers or she just being nice? >> Oh. Uh, well, I mean, I think it's uh I
06:05:32
Brian Atlasshould add that to my I should add that to my girlfriend application. Do you fake orgasms? >> Like, but no, women should not fake orgasms. And uh yeah, no, you shouldn't. Um, so I mean, it's possible a woman's
06:05:47
Jadefake, >> but it's kind of polite. >> What's polite? >> You don't want to like sometimes make someone feel bad, you know what I mean? So, it's like you're like, "Okay, like everybody's fake when it's >> I don't care
06:05:58
Brian Atlas>> sometimes. But some men do like, >> "Yeah, but that's pathetic." Like, >> almost like you're protecting their ego. >> No, no, no, no. First off, you shouldn't lie. It's It's bad. And then if the guy thinks he's pleasing you, but he's not,
06:06:10
Brian Atlasit's really bad communicate. Women always communication. Women Women complain about how Oh, men are terrible communicators. You guys [ __ ] fake
06:06:18
Brian Atlasorgasms. Like what? That's no here. >> Tell the guy what you like. uh you know, communicate with him. Tell him what you like. If he's not rubbing
06:06:31
Brian Atlasyou in the right place or whatever, communicate that to him. But uh yeah, no, women should not fake orgasms because it's like he if he thinks he's bringing you the climax, but you're not climaxing,
06:06:44
Jade>> he's going to continue to do that thing. But it's not always like I think when you as you get older like you get more confident to advocate for yourself that way in those situations. But especially when you're younger you kind of are like learning and you almost like don't know
06:06:56
Jadeif it's you if it's them and then you don't want to like you don't know how someone's going to respond. So yeah I could say hey like you're not really getting me where I need and they could be super offended and like it takes a left turn or they could be receptive.
06:07:08
Brian AtlasYou don't know but you almost want to like play it safe and just be like okay like yeah that was great. Well, I think look, obviously there's a right way and a wrong way to go about expressing, you
06:07:18
Brian Atlasknow, uh like you you can go about it in a way and look, maybe a guy is just insecure across the board and even if
06:07:27
Brian Atlasyou uh are as diplomatic as possible in your explanation, he's still going to get bent out of shape no matter what. But I mean, is that really the kind of
06:07:36
Brian Atlasguy you want to be with? But um ultimately faking orgasm super you shouldn't do it. It's bad. It's really bad and unhealthy. >> Shouldn't do it. >> Unhealthy.
06:07:48
Brian Atlas>> It's bad communicate. It's bad communication. It's like then okay, you're habitually but then you're what you're setting yourself up for down the road. Assuming I'm assuming if you're
06:08:01
Brian Atlasfaking an orgasm, this is a guy you want to keep seeing, right? Mhm. >> Um event like you're going to have to keep that going indefinitely. Um so there's going to be a point down the road where
06:08:13
Brian Atlasyou're like unless you're just indefinitely going to keep faking orgasms and never coming. >> Well, that's you're going to have to take care of yourself. >> At one point or the other, you're going to have to hit hit his ego
06:08:26
Jade>> at some point. >> So it's like why even start? Just make it from the get- go. just tell the guy what you like. >> That's what I said. I feel like it's as you get older, you get more confidence,
06:08:39
Jadebut when you're younger, you're like you, especially as a female, like you don't have that confidence to sit there. Like I'm talking like 18, 19 years old, you're not going to sit there and tell that person that you're intimate with,
06:08:50
Jadeespecially one of your first few partners, like, hey, like that didn't feel good. That didn't get that didn't get me there. like you're just you're not going to have that kind of boldness >> to say it's a very vulnerable place. >> Well, when you're young, you don't
06:09:03
Danareally know what you >> Yeah. >> Like when you're when you're that young, you don't really No, women, I'm telling you, they don't I will tell you 100% sex in my 20s compared to sex now, it's two
06:09:15
Brian Atlasdifferent animals. Like, it's it's >> very different. >> I mean, the orgasm response between women is ve is varied. Very varied. So,
06:09:26
Brian AtlasI mean, you can have a woman in her mid20s, 30s who has significant difficulty climaxing, and you can have an 18, 19, 20-year-old woman who's like multi-orggasmic and squirts and does all this [ __ ]
06:09:39
Brian Atlas>> So, I mean, it's just there's a physiological component that I don't think you can necessarily ignore. Um, >> but, uh, yeah, faking orgasms, super [ __ ] terrible communication,
06:09:52
Brian Atlas>> super [ __ ] >> super [ __ ] You shouldn't do it. Um, I don't think it takes that even for a inexperienced uh Well, I would Why would an
06:10:02
Jadeinexperienced woman like it seems like it would be more of an act to fake an orgasm >> than don't do it? >> No. I was just like, no, cuz like you
06:10:15
Jadeknow when you're at least in my experience when I was younger, it's like you also don't like for me in my mindset, I didn't know if it was me or if it was him >> cuz like there are some women who like
06:10:27
Jadeit's hard for them to get there like true and like sometimes they can't. So it's like I'm not going to sit here and tell him it's him. If I don't know, maybe it's not him. So like I'm just going to make this a good experience for him at least, you know, cuz I'm also
06:10:40
Jadelike >> if he comes, it's a good experience, >> right? But some men also get satisfaction off of you getting. >> Yes. Well, yes, I agree. It is it is satisfying to the man for the >> when they ask you like, "Did you come?"
06:10:53
AngelicaAnd you're like, >> they'll lose attraction for you if they can't get you there. That's why you have to tell them how to get you there. >> But again, sometimes it may not be them. If you can get a woman off, you'll
06:11:04
Brian Atlas>> It's better if you can get her off. Like, it makes the sex better. Um, and of course, as the man, you should also be considerate of your partner's pleasure and enjoyment. But it is the
06:11:16
Brian Atlascase that for some women uh even they can't even bring themselves to climax. Some women even through masturbation, even using toys. Um, so again, the the
06:11:26
Brian Atlasphysiological response is is varied and it's different between some women. Um, but uh I think if if it is the case that that the woman like it's just hard to
06:11:38
Brian Atlasmake her come, >> I don't think that the like it Yeah, it's better if she could come. If she could come easily, if she could have multiples, if she's [ __ ] doing
06:11:49
Brian Atlasexorcism, freaking out when she's coming or whatever, I guess that's better. But like I the this idea that a man would be dissatisfied in a relationship with a woman who has like extreme difficulty
06:12:00
Brian Atlasclimaxing like regardless of course it's optimal for her to be able to come but if she doesn't I think men can still love a woman who has difficulty coming. I don't know I mean I
06:12:12
Brian Atlasdon't think it's completely necessary and it's it's also not necessary to have children. So a man's orgasm is necessary to have children. A woman's is not. Now, just to be clear, I'm not I think a
06:12:25
Brian Atlaswoman's pleasure is important and ideally she comes before you as many times as she can, but it's not a necessary component of reproduction.
06:12:37
Angelica>> You disagree? >> No, I agree. It's not necessary. >> I just don't I think uh if you can get your woman off, I think as a man, you would eventually lose some attraction to
06:12:50
Brian Atlasher. I think it depends like if other men have made her come perhaps if she's just like a really difficult Rubik's cube her clits I don't know she's a [ __ ]
06:13:03
Brian Atlasshe's a difficult case she's a difficult patient uh then I mean it it would it is what it is some women can't some women
06:13:13
Brian Atlascan't come period >> some women just can't come so I mean It's better if she comes. It's way better if she It's better if she's
06:13:24
Brian Atlasmulti-orggasmic and her [ __ ] is like every 10 seconds she's orgasm. Orgasm. Like, that's better. But I don't think it would prevent a man from being satisfied in a relationship with a woman
06:13:36
Brian Atlaswho just physiologically had either extreme difficulty climaxing or just couldn't do it. I think she can find love. I think she can find a boyfriend and a husband.
06:13:48
Brian AtlasI mean, it's still [ __ ] [ __ ] like pizza. Like, I had Domino's yesterday, regrettably. I was just hungry. I needed some food and it was the only thing
06:13:58
Brian Atlasopen. And I got to tell I sometimes Domino's is good, but this particular whoever made it, it was [ __ ] pretty bad. But it was still pizza. It's hard
06:14:09
Brian Atlasto [ __ ] up pizza. It was still I mean, I ate the thing. You know, >> [ __ ] like pizza. the reflection
06:14:20
Brian Atlas>> whereas dick I mean dick can be expired you know like you don't even want the dick but like unless the [ __ ] I mean smells bad or something like >> what
06:14:32
Brian Atlas>> you can't turn down [ __ ] is what I'm saying like there's no such thing really as bad [ __ ] like it you have to go out of your way >> mason turns it down >> well I guess what I'm saying let me most
06:14:44
Brian Atlas[ __ ] How about this Wait Let me change it. Let me change it up. Let me >> None of it's good enough for me. >> Most [ __ ] most [ __ ] >> is good [ __ ]
06:14:55
Brian Atlas>> There's I would argue there's way less good dick. >> Yeah, I agree. >> There's more good There's more good [ __ ] than there than there is good
06:15:03
Brian Atlasdick. Uh, unless like the woman's like a [ __ ] hallway or something or >> she's just like throwing a hot dog down the hallway like she's just you can't feel anything.
06:15:17
Brian Atlas>> Uh, >> that's crazy. Is that real? >> There are some loose women at >> you can't feel anything. >> There's minimal friction. Let's just say
06:15:28
Brian Atlasthere's it's like a ca cavernous >> cavernous. Yeah, cave. Like a cave. caveesque. >> Yeah.
06:15:38
Angelica>> Wow. >> Yeah. So, I mean I don't know. It's honestly though I would say that's rare. I'll be honest. It's
06:15:50
Dana>> Did these women have children before? >> No. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. And I got to be honest, it was a bit of an issue. >> Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, it was a bit of an
06:16:04
Brian Atlasissue. >> And uh it's super rare though. Like most women like mo like I want I don't know. I'm not going to reveal my body count, but
06:16:16
Brian Atlaslike most women pos like there's no issues there. >> What do you say? >> You you I'm There's nothing they can do really. It's they're just [ __ ] basically. >> Oh wow.
06:16:29
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. What am I supposed to say? Sorry dear. Your pussy's too loose. >> Felt nothing. >> Nah, you would never say that. >> No, >> you just got to resort to >> oral sex or anal, I guess.
06:16:40
Dana>> E, >> poor Mason. Poor Mason. >> Poor ear muffs, Mason. Ear muffs. God, >> ears. His poor >> That's why I stick to anal sex.
06:16:52
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. No, but it's rare. The loose Wait, chat. Loose [ __ ] is rare. Brian has really bad takes on [ __ ] No. What the [ __ ] Is Brian a two incher? >> What the? No, I Hey, first off,
06:17:05
Brian Atlas>> is that Audrey? >> No, I don't know who that was. First off, I think that it's super rare like most women and it's totally fine. Uh,
06:17:15
Brian Atlasbut there are there Come on, chat. Somebody in the chat. Oh, yeah. That reminds me. Does anybody want a popsicle? You don't want a popsicle? Anybody?
06:17:29
Brian AtlasOkay, I'm >> straight. Uh, wait, where was I going with that? No. Chat, chat, like most [ __ ] Great. >> Not a cavern.
06:17:40
Brian Atlas>> But sometimes, like rarely. You've like, let's be honest, it's I don't know what the breakdown is. Maybe it's like 3%. I think it might be 2 to 3% of women
06:17:51
Brian Atlasmight have the cavernous vagina. Uh, >> I'm sorry. The cavernous >> cavernous vagina. It's like the Grand Canyon.
06:18:02
Molly>> It's the Grand Canyon of Beij. >> It's crazy. Uh, okay. >> Uh, Molly, read this for me, please. >> Into the mic. >> We call it throwing a hot dog down a
06:18:15
Brian Atlashallway. >> Yep. Throwing a hot dog down the hallway. Uh, so I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where I was going with that. Uh, where why should men pay on dates? That's where we You guys bring it to You guys bring it to crazy places.
06:18:29
JadeWhy should men pay? >> Goodness gracious. >> Well, I think to touch on what you had said about like, you know, you want to see certain traits, which I was going to touch on was that it's a way of almost
06:18:40
Jadelike a man showing that he's able to lead and then also a woman showing that she's able to be led in a way. Like if a man is planning the date, he's paying for it. >> But but hold on. Couldn't I lead like this?
06:18:53
Brian AtlasGet your wallet out. You're paying for the date. No, >> that's leading, right? >> That's not leading. No, >> go get your purse. >> Go get your pink credit card out and pay for the date. That would be me. I'm
06:19:06
Angelicatelling her what to do. >> That's not That's gangster. By the way, you know what I did one time? That's gangster. >> I was having dinner at a bar and there was a guy that came up to me and he sat next to me and
06:19:18
Angelica>> was like, "Oh, what are you drinking?" "Oh, here." Blah, blah, blah. Whatever. And then the check came. He's like, "Oh, you got to split He's like, "Don't split it. I put I'll pay for you, baby. Don't worry." >> And I left.
06:19:31
Angelica>> Don't worry, I got you, baby. You're We're splitting this. Don't worry. I got you. >> Wow. Very sassy. >> Yeah. They put in a cup. I wasn't into him. I was expecting to pay, but because he said that to the waitress. >> Oh, you paid for the whole thing. >> I was like, "Don't worry, baby. I got
06:19:43
Brian Atlasyou. Here." >> Good for him. He didn't waste money on a girl who wasn't interested. I mean, it works out. But, uh I don't know. Ultimately, uh I don't know. We were you mentioned alpha before and I don't really like the
06:19:56
Brian Atlasalpha beta thing. >> It's just the to get to the point >> to the be a descriptor. Yeah, I get it. Well, what's more alpha? A guy telling his first date, take out your
06:20:08
Brian Atlascredit card. You're paying for this. Or the guy who's like, "Hold on. Um, oh, I'm I'm going to pay for the
06:20:21
Danadate." Like, come on, bro. It's obviously the It's obviously more alpha for the guy to be like, >> "You got this right." >> No, that's very douchebag. That is not alpha male.
06:20:34
Dana>> That is so douchy. Have like a flat bill hat with the stickers. >> But anyways, why should men pay? >> I'll be honest with you. I I like um I like to be pursued back in the day and I
06:20:45
Danawant a man to want to go out with me and want to go out and have dinner. And um it is 100% based on um my beliefs and how I feel about it. It it's yeah I I
06:20:56
Danacould pay a million times over and after you date for a while absolutely grab the check. But I want to be taken out and pursued old school way and if a man
06:21:06
Brian Atlaslooked at me and was like [ __ ] by my dinner I'd be like deuces because that's not what I want. >> So okay going back to the questionnaire. Men should pay on first dates. Men should provide protect. Men should be
06:21:18
Brian Atlaschivalous. Husband or I even suppose boyfriend should be willing to die protecting you. Take the bullet. Uh to which all of you agree.
06:21:28
Brian Atlas>> If we can say men should do all these things, what should women do? >> Uh hold the fort down. >> What does that mean? >> You mean being the >> cook, clean,
06:21:40
Angelica>> all of it? but >> help make your life better >> while you go to work and go to war and slay all of the dragons, whatever makes
06:21:49
Angelicayour life better. If you want to come home to um I just need my loafers there >> or I just I need the bed to be made every night. Fine, I'll made it. >> What do you think?
06:22:02
Jade>> You know what my husband does? He goes to work. I do everything else. I take care of him. >> I think it's more just like the overall support system in general. not outside
06:22:11
Jadelike not just the household but like if whatever his dream is for us for our family I should be doing whatever it takes to help us achieve that dream in whatever way he needs whether it's in
06:22:23
Jadethe household whether it's >> you know helping him within his business or whether it's that like you should be his support you should be his rip >> 100 >> I mean women should just they should
06:22:36
Mollytake care of everything at home the cooking the cleaning taking care of kids. >> Mhm. >> Men are supposed to work and provide and protect. Meanwhile, everything in the
06:22:48
Brian Atlashome like we're we're caretakers. So that's that's a woman's job. >> Okay. It's >> our nature. >> Uh so what Okay. So those are some of
06:22:57
Brian Atlasthe things but it seems the burden of should seems very frontloaded on men whereas like all these things you described like maybe when you move in
06:23:08
Brian Atlaswith a woman she'll do those things but before that women typically aren't going to be cooking cleaning your like if you don't live together most women are not going to be cleaning the guy's house.
06:23:20
Brian AtlasMost women are not going to be like cook maybe cooking is a bit on the fence. Uh they're not going to be cleaning. They're not going to be doing folding laundry. They're not typically going to be doing those things unless they're
06:23:30
Brian Atlasliving together, which can be months or like years down the road. I guess I'm looking for when Mason was talking about like the women being virtuous.
06:23:41
Brian AtlasI would say if men should be all those things, should women be virtuous? Should women be virgins? >> I don't think that that translate into
06:23:52
Jadelike >> vasinity. I think I think it does versus other traits like if okay yeah if a man should pay for the dates and that then yeah you should support him in that way I'm out talking >> you should support him paying for the
06:24:06
Jadedate >> like no like support him as his woman like for in like the guy I'm dealing with I am a very nurtured caretaker person we're not in a relationship right we don't live together like you were saying most women don't >> do you clean his house
06:24:18
Jade>> um I don't clean his house cuz he I don't like I don't really but I make his meal prep because he works a lot. So, I know that like he doesn't have time to do that. So, like I make his meal prep for him and I make sure I drop it off to
06:24:31
Jadehim when he needs it. So, I can make sure he's fed when he has free time on the weekends if I know he's tired after working. I'm not going to, you know, make him say, "Hey, let's go out." But like the other day, I made him come to
06:24:41
Jademy house. I cooked him dinner. We took a bath. Like, we, you know, I'm going to nourish and nurture him in those moments as well. Like, >> well, okay. Is it wrong for a man to say
06:24:53
Angelicaa woman should be a virgin? >> No. However, in society back in the day, the average age of marriage was 18 years
06:25:04
Brian Atlasold. >> And now we have women before graduating from high school who have [ __ ] 10 men. >> That's real. >> That is also true.
06:25:15
Mason Gregoire>> Not okay. >> Correct. I mean, >> cuz my mom got married when she was 17. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, so I guess like to paint Brian's picture
06:25:26
Mason Gregoire>> that men paying for the first date has not changed since that time. However, what has definitely changed is women being virgins by that first date, that
06:25:36
Mason Gregoirefirst ever date. That standard has always been held up for men that you must pay for you must pay for that first date. You must be the one to approach. You must have all of
06:25:48
Brian Atlasthese characteristics. But women were pretty lax with their >> well the liberal women don't have a leg to stand on for that one. >> Agreed. I but even the liberal women can still sit back, wait for men to take all
06:26:00
Brian Atlasthe initiative, all the burden, all that stuff. They men still have to lead. Men still have to be >> democracy. If you want to be a feminist and be a liberal, then you do your 50. >> Yeah. But I mean, feminism is is like
06:26:12
Brian Atlascompletely contradictory because like even if you're a feminist, even if you say 50/50, like women still sit back. Women are very passive when it comes to dating. Women generally speaking like
06:26:24
Brian Atlas>> don't shoot their shot. They don't take initiative. They don't carry the conversational burden. They're not making the first move. They're not going for the first kiss. They're not moving things forward uh physically, generally speaking. And so all that burden falls
06:26:36
Brian Atlasonto men. These are all potential rejection points for men. Uh men need to pay for dates. Even liberal women will have an expect, not all liberal women, but a good amount of liberal women still want men to pay for dates. And then they
06:26:47
Brian Atlashave this sometimes they'll even rationalize it in this really backwards way of like, well, uh because of the wage gap and because of like my other liberal feminist talking points, because of the patriarchy, men have like this
06:27:01
Brian Atlasprivileged position in power in the wage gap. They make more money. So therefore, they should pay for dates. And it's all very [ __ ] and uh woke and also [ __ ] I already said that, but >> you're being redundant, Brian.
06:27:12
Brian Atlas>> A little bit of redundancy, but >> ultimately, I don't know. Um it seems like we're allowed to say men should, but in terms of the ways in which we
06:27:24
Brian Atlasshould say women should, women really aren't doing that. I don't think women are doing their should. They're not women are not should shoulding shoulding. Women are not holding up
06:27:36
Mason Gregoiretheir end of the should deal. >> Yeah. Like it's so easy to say in our society there's no backlash to saying men should pay for first dates, but there's a lot of backlash for saying women should be chased to deserve a
06:27:49
Brian Atlasfirst date. >> Or even just like even if that's too much of a an ask for a woman to be a virgin, women should be submissive. That's too much >> too much. That's not appropriate.
06:28:01
JadeIt should be 50/50, but only in the ways that benefit women. >> I don't know. >> I think that's 100 100. >> I feel like it that's more of that like >> feministic mindset though of like um
06:28:13
Jadewhen you're talking about oh women should be submissive, they don't want to be submissive. That is like that like I don't need no man type of mindset where like someone who's more traditional, which I feel like a lot of us are, is
06:28:25
Jadethat like I have no problem submitting to my man. Like >> I just also want that >> you give provide me the space to be submissive like you're saying like if you're making me go work full time and
06:28:38
Jadeyou're working full-time like I'm not always going to feel like I can be in my software. I can be feminine. I can be in it. So you have to create that space for your woman to feel safe enough to do that too.
06:28:48
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But would this fly in the other direction if a man were to say, "Well, I'm masculine, but only when the woman has created a safe space for me."
06:28:59
Mason Gregoire>> A woman does have to create that space for you to be masculine. I have to create that very I'm no longer going to pay for my wife because she's not being very feminine. >> No, it's more like
06:29:11
Brian Atlas>> No, it's communication. No, no. What I'm saying is what I'm saying is like this this cope about oh well I'll be feminine when the man is masculine. I'll be
06:29:21
Brian Atlasfeminine when the guy has created the safe space and comfort for me. But I as the woman am the arbiter of when that safe space has been fully manifested and
06:29:31
Brian Atlascreated. Whereas like you women would not tolerate a guy who's like acting feminine but he's like look once I feel comfortable with you and once you've you
06:29:44
Brian Atlasas the woman have created the safe space for me then I'm going to be masculine then I'm going to be a leader. You'd be like bro you're a [ __ ] [ __ ] What what are you talking about? >> Creating that space doesn't mean like oh it's all this time that has to pass.
06:29:56
JadeLike creating those spaces can be moment by moment. For instance, like if we're going on a date and you're planning it now, you've created a space for me to follow your lead to be submissive in
06:30:07
Jadethat way. And same way for a man, it's like I'm creating
06:30:17
Brian Atlasthat safe space for him to be in his masculinity either. Th this idea that simply by virtue of the man uh initiating and paying for the first date that that has thus created the space for women.
06:30:29
Brian Atlas>> It's a step. It's a >> I can't tell you the amount of women who go on dates and the man pays for the date and he does everything right and she's still a contentious, vexacious,
06:30:39
Brian Atlasquarrelome, nagging, [ __ ] pain in the ass masculine woman. Like me paying for the date doesn't magically make a woman feminine. >> His judgment is bad and he didn't bet
06:30:52
Brian Atlasher correctly. >> Well, that's secondary. This idea that simply by virtue of paying for the date that this somehow forces women into femininity is complet No, that's not the case. >> No, not it doesn't force them into it,
06:31:05
Jadebut someone >> not forced but >> Yeah. someone who is the maturity and the outlook of like looking for that like date to marry like looking for their person that is going
06:31:17
Jadeto open that space for them. But someone who's just looking to take and get a get a quick meal or have a quick Yeah. They're not going to appreciate it. It's not going to open up the space. It's not going to go anywhere. It's just going to be exactly what you're saying,
06:31:29
Brian Atlas>> right? Um All right. We're going to move on to a different topic here, but I still um I don't know, maybe we could do a thing
06:31:41
Brian Atlaswhere if the woman has a body count of more than three, then she revokes her right to the man paying for the first date. What
06:31:52
Brian Atlasdo you guys think about that? No. Still should pay. What about We got a sex worker here. I've previously said on podcasts, maybe you'll weigh in on this, that I don't believe uh women who
06:32:04
Brian Atlasdo Only Fans or women who are sex workers uh deserve chivalry, deserve traditional treatment. Now, you might still get it. Men definitely still will
06:32:15
Brian Atlaspay for dates and do all that [ __ ] for sex workers. Women who are sex workers can still get that treatment. I don't think they deserve it, though. And just also let me caveat. I don't think women
06:32:27
Brian Atlaswho are involved in that kind of work, I don't think they shouldn't be mistreated. They should still be treated with respect if a man opts to perhaps mistakenly date her. No offense,
06:32:39
Jadebut they don't deserve the tradition. They don't deserve the chivalry because they're not traditional women. >> What do you think about that? I mean, I definitely think that when you are putting yourself in that environment
06:32:52
Jadewhere you are like giving your body in exchange for something to like multiple different men, like you are you can't really expect a man to have that same kind of like
06:33:03
Jaderespect and chivalry for you because like you're he knows like you're just giving it to everybody and it's in the open. It's not like >> What do you think? Cuz you're the sex worker, too.
06:33:14
Molly>> I agree with you. I mean, I wouldn't um meet someone and expect them to like treat me like a virgin. Like, I feel like I couldn't talk to you and be like,
06:33:26
Brian Atlas"Well, you you don't want to date me." Like, that that would be crazy, you know? >> Okay. >> What do you guys think? Um, fair proposition that if a woman is a sex
06:33:37
Angelicaworker, uh, the man doesn't have to pay for the date or should he still pay for the date? I don't know what that world looks like.
06:33:46
AngelicaUh but I would imagine only uh that maybe they're dating like people that are also maybe in some sort of related
06:33:56
Brian Atlasfield. Maybe also male escorts. Maybe >> there's not enough ma there wouldn't be enough male Only Fans creators or male
06:34:06
Angelicaprostitutes or male sex workers to be able to match up with the female sex >> men or just men that have a massive high
06:34:16
Brian Atlasbody count that that's not that important to them to seek in a female partner. >> I'll make the question super simple. Does a girl who does Only Fans, do you
06:34:27
Brian Atlasthink she deserves uh when she's dating, should the guy pay for her dates?
06:34:35
Brian Atlas>> It depends on who that man is and how he values her. >> He wants to take Okay, I acknowledge that there are men who will take Only Fans girls out on dates and those men
06:34:48
Brian Atlaswill pay for those dates. >> That's not in dispute. >> Mhm. The Only Fans girls can still get men to pay for dates. >> The question is is do they deserve that?
06:35:04
Mason Gregoire>> I I don't know. I don't know. I I don't I don't have an educated >> So, okay. So, right now, >> would you say if I took a girl out I'm a virgin. If I took a girl out and I
06:35:15
Mason Gregoiredidn't pay for her first for the first date, would that be wrong >> for me? For me? No. No. No. No. It's a regular lady. >> A regular lady? Yes. >> Uh-huh. And you didn't pay for >> I didn't pay for the date. Would that be wrong?
06:35:28
Mason Gregoire>> It doesn't align with the values that you have. So, would it be wrong? Okay. Yes. For you wrong. >> So, would it be wrong if I did the same thing with a sex worker? >> Yes. Because that is not your value
06:35:39
Mason Gregoiresystem. So, what are you doing taking one out? So that's the question Brian's asking. So I should still provide traditional values to a person who is very much not traditional.
06:35:52
Angelica>> That's a gray area. I don't know. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, according to what you just said, Yeah. I I >> You're abandoning your traditional values to go out on a date with her. >> H Okay. So, >> don't take her out on a date. >> Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't.
06:36:06
Brian Atlas>> She's not your girl, you know? >> So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But how do I >> Okay, you get to pass a law. You get to pass a law that determines who pays for
06:36:16
Brian Atlasdates in what scenarios. Now, when you're passing the law, uh let's go ahead and grant that if the man and the woman, neither of them are sex workers, I assume you would pass some sort of law
06:36:28
Brian Atlasthat the man should have to pay for the date. But in the situ in the situation of a woman being a sex worker, would you pass the law under that circumstance that the man should pay for the date uh
06:36:40
Angelicalegally speaking? >> No. It is 50 whoever whoever wants to pay for it. It's up for debate. >> That doesn't answer the question. >> There is no law for that. >> The law hypothetical. You're the dictator.
06:36:53
Angelica>> And and as a dictator, I would say there is no law as to who pays. It is up to those people going out. >> Okay. So are you saying there should but
06:37:05
Brian Atlas>> it's granted in the hypothetical that you would you are passing the law but you get to make a determination as to which couplings >> correct? So the couplings would be
06:37:16
Angelicatraditional traditional the man pays the coupling would be traditional man and sex worker. >> Um >> he doesn't have to pay. He does not have to pay, but is highly encouraged to
06:37:28
Brian Atlasbecause you need to do your own vetting. Figure it out. >> He's >> go go go to man school and figure out how to vet a woman. I don't know. >> Okay. That's >> Don't take her out if she's not if she's not your type.
06:37:41
Brian Atlas>> Yes, men should probably not date sex workers. Like, but that's a separate conversation. >> Yes. >> Um like Okay, that's a separate
06:37:50
Brian Atlasconversation, though. Um okay. Uh, let's see here. Where am I going to take this? Um, maybe there's a better example I could have used than like dictator like passing a law and who has to pay. But,
06:38:03
Brian Atlasum, uh, okay, here we're going to do, let's see here.
06:38:13
SPEAKER_03Uh, oh, this is a good question. Wait. Um h
06:38:24
Brian Atlasone sec. Hold on. Let me get this. I guess I'll do that a little later actually. But ultimately though, I don't know. I think if I have to die for a woman, she should be a virgin.
06:38:46
Brian Atlas>> Definitely. Yeah. cuz I don't know, man. Um, it's like I got to give my life for a woman who's
06:38:56
Brian Atlaslike got a body count of like 50 and then like within she'll probably be back on Tinder at my funeral. She'll be getting [ __ ] down within two weeks and I got to die for her. Like,
06:39:09
Brian Atlashow about this? Can I ask you guys a question? Hypothetical scenario. You have precognition. Have you seen Minority Report with Tom Cruz where he could like tell when crimes like if a
06:39:19
Brian Atlascrime was about to happen or some [ __ ] Um, you have precognition that a man is married to a woman. Well, you you don't have precognition of that, but in the
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Brian Atlasscenario, the man is married to the woman and you know that within uh a month of him dying, she's going to be
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Brian Atlas[ __ ] another guy. Now, you have some some power to like tell him, "Hey, bro, she's gonna [ __ ] a guy right afterwards. Like, maybe don't
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Brian Atlasdie for her." Um, do you think he should not die for her if she would [ __ ] another dude within a month? >> Yeah. Yeah. I >> Wait. Yes, sir. >> Like, no, he shouldn't.
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Angelica>> He shouldn't die. >> No. No. >> No, he shouldn't. >> No, he shouldn't. >> No. >> Okay. So, how long though? 3 months. Like if she [ __ ] three months after he dies, >> years. >> No, it would. How long is the
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Brian Atlasrelationship? Is it like they have kids, they have a family, all that? >> They've been together. Well, I mean, he's still making the ultimate sacrifice regardless of how long they've been together.
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JadeBut let's say >> I mean respectively I feel like a year after like someone passes you know like for in like with my ex like it took me eight months from just a breakup of a
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Jadegirlfriend boyfriend relationship to even be open to go on a date with someone you know so it's like if you're talking about like a marriage and your husband just died like I couldn't even imagine dating let alone but like if you
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Jadehad to put a timeline I feel like a year is a process a good process of grief. But >> how about you've been together with a
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Brian Atlasgirl for for for 10 years now? How long how soon and and there's a scenario where you
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Brian Atlashave to die protecting her? How soon can she [ __ ] a new guy where you say he shouldn't be willing to give his life for her? >> How soon?
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Angelica>> Yeah. So, does that make sense? >> I don't know. I I would probably be so traumatized that I that would be so long before I could even >> Well, but like so like let's say a woman
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Brian AtlasOkay, here uh maybe this will simplify things. A woman waits one year before [ __ ] a new guy.
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Brian AtlasShould the guy who's been dating her for 10 years, right? So one year, one year is a good amount of time, right? Kind
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Brian Atlasof. Should he give his life for a woman that one year later she'd be [ __ ] another guy? >> No.
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Angelica>> No. >> Okay. What about 3 years? Is that acceptable? Like, okay, it's been three years. >> That's a long time to grieve and get
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Brian Atlasover the trauma. >> I am not dying for a woman who is 10 years. She has to wait a [ __ ] decade. And even then I still like in the grave
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DanaI'm pissed off like [ __ ] you should have my husband widow happened and he died for me I don't >> you want him to be happy >> I >> you want him to >> I don't think I could
06:42:34
Dana>> be in another woman's vagina really >> I will come back and No, I'm just kidding. Um I couldn't move on fast like I mean it would be I don't even know if I ever could. That would be so
06:42:45
Brian Atlasdevastating. I don't think a man the I honestly here's the only scenario a man should die for a woman. >> She was a virgin when they met. Okay, >> she's pregnant.
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Brian Atlas>> She was a virgin. She was a virgin and if he dies, she never touches another man again. That is the only scenario in which a man should die for.
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Brian Atlas>> No, I'm telling you like these girls have an expectation. I got to die for you. That's perma. That's perma. You need to give me perma for me to be perma. If I'm going to be perma dead, you got to be perma sexless.