She DISRESPECTED Him?! Based VlRGlN Mason & Brian Atlas vs. Women HEATED DEBATE! | Dating Talk 290

Date: 2026-04-13

Duration: 9h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAngelica (RE)>

MMason Gregoire >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Angelica(guest)

SPEAKER_02Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Molly(guest)

SPEAKER_07Jade(guest)

SPEAKER_09Dana(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentMason discusses surviving catastrophic motorcycle accident on 9/11/2024

Key MomentAngelica reveals giving ex-husband house and passive income in divorce

Key MomentAngelica confesses she 'fired the first shot' by telling husband he couldn't sit on couch until dishes were clean

Key MomentMason reveals he's still virgin at almost 30

QuoteBrian declares himself Mason's 'dick escort' and 'vagina virtuoso'

ControversyMolly's extreme trivia failures: doesn't know continents, thinks 5x5=20, never heard of Hitler

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Molly (19, OF/Mormon), Jade (28, holistic health), Dana (50, insurance), Angelica (41, real estate), Mason (29, EMT/virgin).

Mason Motorcycle Accident

Mason's miraculous survival from catastrophic motorcycle accident on 9/11/2024.

No-Shows Exposed

Brian exposes 7 guests who cancelled or no-showed with screenshots.

Angelica Divorce Story

20-year relationship, being breadwinner, collaborative divorce, giving ex house and assets.

Mason Virginity and Breakup

Mason's virginity at 29, breakup with Alexa, Brian vetting future women.

Molly OnlyFans While Mormon

Religious contradiction of doing OnlyFans while being LDS.

Molly Trivia Failures

Molly can't name continents, thinks Italy is city in France, says 5x5=20, doesn't know Hitler.

Transcript

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Danaknew each other six weeks before we got engaged and six months before we got married. >> I'm kind of actually all for this. So far, you're selling me. >> Uh, okay. So, you knew each other 6 months, you said? >> Mhm.

Dana>> Okay. So, you got married around like 24 25. >> Yeah. I was I met him when I was 24 and turned 25. Yeah. >> And then got married. Okay. I'm assuming that's your longest relationship then. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh, have did you have

Brian Atlasrelationships before him? >> Uh, seven years. >> Oh, seven years. How soon after the seven-year relationship ended did you uh start dating your now husband? >> Two years. >> Two years. Okay. I see. All right. Uh,

Brian Atlasthat's a pretty good track record. Pretty good. Pretty clean. >> Pretty clean there. Uh, unless [ __ ] was going down in high school. I don't know. >> Uh, or after the breakup, I guess. But, uh, Wow. And kids?

Brian Atlas>> I have three kids. >> And you have, uh, were you married to the seven-year? >> No, >> just dating him. >> Yeah. >> But you have a kid from him? >> I do. >> One kid? >> Yes. >> And then you have two kids from your husband? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, three kids total?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> All right. Got it. Um do a question for you. The custody arrangement from your ex >> shared custody or

Dana>> it's kind of a long story. Um >> give us the short version. >> The short version. So he basically was not in her life and then his parents kind of got in the

Danamiddle of it and we got a uh every other weekend situation. And then 7 years into it, he married. And then we had I never kept her from seeing him, but he they

Danawanted a firm agreement, which was Wednesday night and every other weekend, which lasted till she was about 14. And then she just saw him sporadically at

Danathat point. So she was primarily with me and my husband most of her life. >> Okay. All right. Um,

Danadid he pay you child support or >> Not at first, not at all. Um, and then sporadically. And then when he got married and they took his taxes, he started paying it religiously after that.

Dana>> Um, but a very small amount. I never asked for an increase >> until she was about 14. I was pregnant with my son and she was going to cheerleading nationals. I was like, "Hey, can you throw a little extra money

Danacuz I won't be going with her." Um, he told me no. He had to pay. I think it was like $285 a month. And then when we went, my husband said, "Take him back to court. This is $285. You know, he he

Danamakes a lot more money. This is ridiculous." And um they changed it to $996 a month >> based off of what he made when she was in nth grade. So >> yeah, >> we finally started getting normal. But I

Danamean, in high school, you have cars. And she cheered and it it uh it did help, but >> she was expensive. Uh yeah. Yeah. All right. Uh what about

Angelicayou? >> My relationship status is in a committed relationship. Uh but I was married for a very long time before that for

Angelica15 years and I was with the same guy for 20 before that. >> You you were with >> my ex-husband. Yeah. >> 20 years total. >> Yeah. >> And how long is your current relationship status?

Brian Atlas>> Uh 11 months. Almost a year. >> Okay. Um, any kids? >> I have three kids with my ex-husband. >> Three with the ex-husband? Yes. Okay. >> Um, actually, I'm going to come to that

Brian Atlasreally quick. Just really quick going back to you. Um, any particular reason it ended with the uh the father of your first child? Um,

Danaso I kept kind of waiting for him to be a man and he was kind of waiting for

Daname to be the man. And then when I finished college and he was on my couch

Danaevery week and he still wasn't doing anything, I was just over it because he left when I was pregnant. Like I I just I'm from the south, you know? you you want to be you're having a bay with this

Danaguy, you want to be married to this guy, you want to make this work. And it was very I'm doing all the things to make it work while he's laying on the couch. And this just doesn't >> Did he have a job?

Brian Atlas>> Um he did work all kinds of jobs at that point. >> Like So when you say he was just laying around the house, uh did he have a full-time job? >> He did. He he

Dana>> he had more than one job. >> No, he just one full-time job. But what I'm saying is, >> were you working too? >> Oh, yeah. Okay. I was I I finished college. He didn't I I was progressing

Danaour family forward and he was just kind of there. It wasn't a team effort. It was a one-way effort, if that makes sense. And I just >> Well, was he contributing to the bills? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> But he was working though. I'm >> Yes. >> And you guys were living together? >> No. >> No. Well, when you say he was just laying around the house, his his house >> he would come to my apartment like he he would be at my apartment. >> This is when you had a kid. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Right. Okay. >> Yeah. Um he was just there and it just kind of >> just So what were the things that you would have liked to have seen him more

Danainvolved with doing? I guess >> just progressing in your life. I mean maybe finish your degree. Um move out of your parents house. Uh

Dana>> how wait how old was he at this point? >> If I was uh he was like 26 27 he's almost four years older than me.

Dana>> Okay. Um now was he assisting like taking care of the kid >> when he would get her every other weekend but he lived >> when you guys were still together? >> Yeah. Yeah.

Dana>> Wait when you were still together he was only he would get her on the weekends. >> Yeah. But really his mother got her because he lived there and so he still went out and still did all the things he would usually do. His mom just had her. >> You're talking like partying and stuff

Danaor >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I see. Okay. Um >> and don't get me wrong, when I didn't have my daughter with me, I was young. I mean, I went out with my girlfriends. We go do things, but

Dana>> um >> I just feel like I was progressing. I just wasn't gonna He just wasn't putting forth the effort

Dana>> at all to be together. >> I see. >> And he really liked to cheat. >> Oh, he was cheating on you >> was also awesome. Um >> yeah, >> it was a whole thing. You know, teenage love when you're young, you don't

Dana>> Hey, if I'm on my phone, just don't even put it on me. >> You don't you don't think about, hey, is this dude going to be a great dad and husband? You're not thinking that. So, >> and then uh going so going to you um

Brian Atlasyou uh were married when sorry when did you split up with your husband? >> Uh late 2024 is when the problems really started and uh the divorce was finalized

Angelicalast year. >> Okay. So, when you say problems, what do you mean? Can you give us details? Um we grew apart uh in the sense of attraction

Angelicauh getting our emotional needs met. Uh resentment grew into contempt and that's a recipe for a relationship ending. >> Who was resentful? You both or he was

Angelicaalso resentful. We got we got pretty, you know, passive aggressive with each other, which leads to resentment, which leads to criticism, which leads to I'm

Angelicanot even attracted to this person anymore. >> So, it was a mutual escalation of not liking each other. >> Uh, yes, I tried my very best to bring

Angelicathe relationship back forward. I mean, I was pregnant or breastfeeding kids for a long time, >> right? >> So, you know, you kind of put yourself in the back seat. You're

Brian Atlasnot important. So, I started to >> take care of myself again and be the woman he fell in love with. And >> unfortunately, it didn't work. >> Who initiated the divorce?

Brian Atlas>> We got to switch cameras, please. Um Huh. >> I I initiated the divorce. >> Okay. Um,

Brian Atlasuh, what did you cite on the divorce for? What was the reason or whatever? >> Irreconcilable differences. >> Okay. >> Uh, does he pay you alimony? >> No. >> Do you pay him alimony? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Is the divorce still ongoing? >> No, it's finalized. >> Uh, child support? >> No. >> So, you guys have 50/50 custody? >> Yes. >> No child support? No alimony?

Brian Atlas>> No. What about the your respective was there a distribution of any he paid you you paid him >> uh in terms of settling the community property or whatever?

Brian Atlas>> There was quite a bit of that. >> So there's like a lump sum payment or >> Yes. >> In which direction? >> Um >> from you to him or him to you?

Angelica>> I gave him a house. I remodeled the whole thing >> and he moved into it. So wait, he got the house in the divorce? >> No, I kept my house that I built.

Angelica>> Oh. >> Um, but I flip houses/build ground up. And so one of the houses that I was flipping at the time was in my same city. And so instead of flipping it, I

Brian Atlasjust said, "Why don't you just keep this house and move into it?" >> Oh, okay. So you gave him a house?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. And in terms of any sort of distribution of uh resources or money or >> I gave him too. Yeah. >> Oh, you paid him money too?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Did he give you anything or No. >> No. >> So you were the bread winner in the relationship? >> Primary. Yes. >> Primary bread winner. >> He was working but you made more.

Angelica>> Yes. But you know it's I didn't hate him. We didn't have We have three children together. we know that um he's going to be in my life forever.

AngelicaYou know, even when they're 18, you know, they're going to get married, they're going to have grandkids. >> Yeah. >> So, I know that if at any given point, uh he's struggling financially. My kids

Brian Atlasare going to feel that, and I never wanted them to feel that. >> Okay, that's pretty pretty reasonable, I would say. Um so, you guys were married for 15 years, you said? Yes.

Angelica>> What was he doing for work? >> Uh he's also in the real estate related field, >> but you were better. >> I was in a more >> you made more money >> commissionable/self-employed

Brian Atlasstate. Yes. He was more of a W2 paycheck type of person. >> Now, um so if you had to do like a multiplier,

Angelicahow how much more were you out earning him by 2x? Uh um on a slow year, on a good year,

Brian Atlasfive or 6x. >> Okay. Was he making six figures? >> Um sometimes. >> Okay. So, it's fair to say you were probably making around half a million

Brian Atlasyear. Sometimes. >> Um that I got a seven figure year when >> Oh, sometimes you made seven figures in a year. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Wow. Um, well, I get one, I guess, congrats on the success, but the reason I say wow is because I think if the roles were reversed, um, while you Oh, well, you said you

Angelicagave him money, too. >> Yes. >> Um, but you're not paying him like an ongoing alimony, which >> No, I gave him enough uh assets that are uh passive income

Brian Atlas>> to supplement. >> Passive income. >> Yeah. assets that generate monthly income. >> Oh, so you transferred like some real

Angelicaestate holdings to him like apartments. >> Assets. Assets that generate not necessarily apartments. Sometimes it's private notes. I do mortgages for a living. Sometimes I lend my own money,

Brian Atlashard money, and Oh, >> that generates interest income. So >> Okay, I see. So, and were there lawyers involved in the divorce? >> Yes. >> Okay. Was was the divorce combative or

Angelica>> No, it was collaborative. >> Very peaceful. Very peaceful. Very peaceful. >> All right. So, >> it was sad. It It really was. I hate it. >> There's only one lawyer.

Angelica>> Yeah, we we did a mediation. So, >> who paid the lawyer? >> I did. >> Did the Hold on. Um,

Brian Atlasusually there the lawyer has to get permission from the other party like a because there's a bit of a conflict of interest when >> Mhm. >> Usually each person wants their own lawyer. >> Yes. >> Um

AngelicaI I don't know if he was naive on that front, but um >> no, he consulted with two other attorneys. I told him you need to consult with two other attorneys. >> Okay. This is I laid out all the discoveries basically and said this is

Angelicaeverything. Okay, this is >> what I can do. If you need more then, >> you know, these are the things that are going to have to happen. But

Brian Atlas>> um he was very fair. He wasn't, you know, and I was very fair, too. I did not give him the short end of the stick. >> Yeah. You didn't just tell him to [ __ ]

Brian Atlasoff, I guess. Um >> and he's he's an amazing person. and we were just not >> right >> good for each other. >> Question for you though. Um had had he been a bit more latigious

Brian Atlasuh do you think that while you're saying that what you offered to him in the divorce was fair, do you think uh he

Angelicacould have gotten more given divorce laws? uh potentially, but the amount would have been negligible after capital gains taxes that for assets that I would have to sell.

Angelica>> Okay. >> And at the end of the day, uh they're just assets I'm leaving the kids. So, it kind of was if you want to get rid of them, we can, but you're just taking

Brian Atlasaway things from our children. >> Okay. So, you had a lot of you had things tied up with, you know, real estate and >> Yeah. So, >> yeah. Okay. at all. I'm like, this is

Angelicaall and he's my default person. If if I pass away, all of my assets are going to him. I'm not going to I trust him to take care.

Brian Atlas>> Right. Right. Right. >> Okay. Uh interest. Very interesting. Uh obviously, there are uh when the woman

Brian Atlasis the uh the bread winner, the primary bread winner, there are instances where she's gonna have to give the guy money

Brian Atlasor give him um consideration. And so, uh, I do wonder though if the roles were reversed. I don't obviously I don't know all the

Brian Atlasdetails of, you know, your financial situation. Um, you're telling me that there's like an equitable, fair distribution. Uh, I'll

Brian Atlasof course take your word for it. Um but the the no alimony uh that that to me after because for example um we had a woman on the show

Brian Atlastwo weeks ago. She was married to a guy for like 10 15 years. She's getting lifetime alimony from him. Um I guess the no alimony thing when you

Brian Atlaswere significantly out earning him is a bit interesting. Um although it sounds like you have offered him. You did offer him a good

Brian Atlasamount and he's he's good, but I think I could see perhaps a woman in the same situation being a bit more ruthless. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I don't know.

Mason Gregoire>> Yeah. I mean, statistically speaking, that's what most divorce lawyers see when the role is reversed. Not saying every single time, but in the majority

Mason Gregoireof cases when the rules are reversed, um uh the the man usually says he pays his lawyer, here's 2,000 bucks. Come to me when the divorce is over. He just wants

Mason Gregoireto get over with. And usually, uh when divorce lawyers deal with the females in the in the situation, it's very much them. I want I want to fight him tooth and nail. I want to take his property,

Mason Gregoirehis money, literally everything. Um, which I I think there are like I understand where that comes from. Um, but they are very very I guess

Brian Atlasaggressive in those pursuits. >> I need to um I need to get up for a moment to deal with something. Um, can you guys like carry the conversation for 10 15 minutes and like keep in mind

Brian Atlasthere's 5,000 people watching right now? >> Please don't make it like boring chitter chatter. Like actually have an engaging convo. So, take it away. >> All right, go for it. Yeah. So, yeah, I

Mason Gregoirethink um yeah, in those circumstances, uh for some reason, it's just like I think it's built into females nature where they're a lot more aggressive in those divorce proceedings.

Angelica>> What people don't understand or fail to realize is that when you do have those uh high-profile divorces or high netw worth divorces, the attorneys are the

Angelicaones that end. All they see is a gold mine because they know that there's ability to pay attorney's fees. >> So if you have the ex-husband paying attorney's fees and you have the ex-wife

Angelicapaying attorney's fees within two years, you can rack up half a million dollars in attorney's fees easily. So that's another thing that I brought up is we can fight each other tooth and nail.

Mason Gregoire>> Oh yeah. >> And we can have half a million dollars just go poof. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally agree. like in your situation, I think this is a very this is a very like

Mason Gregoire>> extremity situation. It's not going to happen super often. It makes sense cuz um like what what I'm trying to suggest is if say the man is making as much as you were making and the woman's making

Mason Gregoireas much as he's making or that similar circumstance just flipped. um that's the case in which most divorce lawyers will see the woman fight tooth and nail to make sure like he feels it in the

Mason Gregoiredivorce where like in your circumstance um like you realize you're in you're the one making mo you're the bread winner you're making the most money so you want

Mason Gregoireto protect those a assets which I understand I get it um but to do that you want to make this as less as like as

Mason Gregoireminimally argumentative and uh conflict words, I guess, with as little disagreement as possible. >> And we also have three children that we

Mason Gregoirewere trying to protect and shield from uh any and all potential harm that may come their way. >> I I agree. I think that is wise. Um but

Mason Gregoirestill in the opposite case like even if three four five children are involved in most cases when it's the situation is reversed it doesn't really seem to

Mason Gregoireinhibit that desire from the female's point of view to really want to take everything and make him feel that. Um, so I I I I >> I feel like it kind of plays to like

Jadegender roles, right? Where it's like as women, most women, I think we feel like it is like a man's duty to like provide and protect. So like even when you're

Jadeleaving that marriage, especially if there's like infidelity and things, there's like a sense of entitlement, which I can understand from like a woman. It's like, okay, well, you're making more, I'm making less. like you've been accustomed to this

Jadelifestyle. So then like you feel like you should still be able to keep your lifestyle based off whatever the circumstances were for being divorced. Whereas men because of the gender roles they might just like not like you said

Jadebe as like cutthroat of like oh I'm going to get mine because they feel like okay well like she's the female like it's not her job to provide for me. >> So I think maybe that's why maybe some men take a back step. But there are men

Jadewho are ruthless because my sister's ex-husband, he cheated on her and she was like the full sole provider. Like he was working for her. Like he was literally getting his money from her. And then when they were getting divorced

Jadebecause of his infidelity, he was still thought like he was going to keep his car, his boat, the house, like all these things. And was like, "No, baby. It's time for you to go be a man and figure out your life cuz that's why you cheated

Jadebecause you wanted something else. So go find it." and she still like, you know, gave him what he came with, >> you know, but it's like I think that's why maybe that's what you're saying like some women are more aggressive because

Mason Gregoirethere's like that entitlement to it. >> Well, no, I I think it's just like it's it's the system in general. um women are just extremely aggressive in these divorce proceedings because I think u I

Mason Gregoirethink referencing those uh sex roles um where men do feel like they need to provide and protect um they are held to a standard that uh like they need to

Mason Gregoirestill hold to their typical gender roles or sex roles where women are never like they never need to hold to their gender roles their sex roles they're never held to that standard and I think that is just it's reflected in the divorce

Mason Gregoireproceedings Because a woman doesn't have to worry about being virtuous, being accommodating, being kind, respectful, because those are the virtues that the

Mason Gregoireare usually seen in like a healthy relationship out of the woman. And those virtues are essentially sucked out when it comes to divorce. And they're not held to that standard where men are just usually vehemently attacked when they're

Mason Gregoirenot held to their own standard of being that provider and protector. So that they suffer the consequences in those divorce proceedings. But usually when the woman just brushes

Mason Gregoireoff her gender sex, >> there's not really too much consequence for it. It's usually met with more of an understanding. Like, I get why you're why you do that. I can see from your situation why you're reacting that way.

Mason GregoireWhereas, if a man >> brushed off his gender roles and said, "Hey, I'm not going to provide. I'm not going to protect. I'm going to try to pull everything out of her." Like immediately he's attacked. He's villainized. And um I I see as a huge

Jadeproblem. >> I think it's like also like female male brain type of thing where it's like women we're obviously more emotional creatures. Like things are very gray area for us. And I feel like with men

Jadeit's very much like black and white how they move. So it's like if you look at general breakups, right? Like a guy will absolutely get over a girl way quicker than she'll get over him. and like she could carry that pettiness or whatever

Mason Gregoirebecause >> I think actually um that's it's actually the reverse >> usually. No, it is that's actually true. >> They feel that way too. >> Yeah. Um women it usually takes them like it's a lot shorter of a time for

Mason Gregoirethem to get over a breakup whereas men it it takes a very very very long time. Um because there is that um I think what plays into it a little bit is that having that provider and protector uh

Mason Gregoirestatus that you're trying to hold on to. Like we are it's built into our DNA as men. We must protect. We must provide for uh the woman that we love. I I say it's it's the way God designed us. It's

Mason Gregoiresupposed to be our second half. Mhm. >> Um, so and then when that's stripped away from us, it's like, well, we we've just lost our like our meaning in life when it comes to having that second

Mason Gregoirehalf. Like it's gone now. What do I do with that? And um I mean where we find in the Bible and I think we see this in nature itself. Um the the woman is

Mason Gregoireusually is designed as the helper like to be that team player with the man. Exactly. The support. And um yeah, essentially that's taken away uh from the man. You're that support

Jade>> and um yeah, I think that's it's easier for a woman to get over. It's much harder for a man to get over. >> Yeah. >> Maybe I've just encountered I think different men and that and that's and that's where I guess you can say the

Jadevalue stance of it, right? Like you said like when you're thinking of like like you said your better half, your rib like when you're thinking of it like in a faith standpoint like of I could understand that for sure. But I think a lot of people who don't have like that

Mason Gregoirefoundation, they're very quick to just discard, move on to the next shiny thing. >> Well, and the thing is, yeah. Well, I think Yeah. I mean, I think faith, the uh biblical point of view is

Mason Gregoirefoundational, but we see that through statistics, statistical analysis, um how quickly women can move into a new relationship, and it seems like they're just totally fine. Um versus men. I

Mason Gregoiremean, I've seen about a billion Instagram reels of men talking about how like I've been I've divorced or not divorced, broke up with this chick 5 years ago and I'm still not over it. >> Um I mean obviously that's like case by

Jadecase, but statistically speaking that is accurate >> cuz you've also like you used the like gone into another relationship. I think maybe that's where some my mindset differs a little bit too. He's not so as like um like he'll get into another

Jaderelationship quickly, but he's like willing to like be with someone else whether it's like physically like quicker than in my opinion. >> And I'm not suggesting that just because you get into a relationship really

Mason Gregoirequickly um it means that you've healed from your last one. I think the vast majority of people who um I mean pretty much every single person who has gotten out of a relationship and jumps into a new one immediately

Mason Gregoire>> like they're trying to heal the pain that they feel by uh like with that new person and essentially ruining the future with this new person >> and it actually I mean it hurts them as

Angelicawell along that process. >> Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I got to say, um, I was pretty miserable in my marriage for the last 2 years that it lasted.

Angelica>> And women, the reason why women move on really fast is because women will literally stay in a relationship until there was nothing left. Like, I tried

Angelicaeverything. Every stone was turned over twice and looked at over and over. And then you're just numb. There's nothing left. and you just it's time to go.

Dana>> And that's when you know when when you would rather live in a cardboard box than to sit in that house for 5 more seconds. You're like this, it's just done. And there's a there's a whole big difference in a scorned divorce and an

Danaamicable divorce. I know lots of people who have divorced just like her. They just fell out of it. They still loved each other, but it didn't work. They happed everything. They moved on. And then I have friends that were cheated on that were like, I'm going to take I'm

DanaI'm going to take everything I can get my hands on. It just it depends on what leads up to the divorce, I think, of how it plays out regardless of sex roles. It's just your mindset going into it.

Mason Gregoire>> Yeah. Well, I mean, I understand there are circumstances like yes, I know those circumstances that do happen. Um, however, I mean, statistically speaking, it's usually men that will last the

Mason Gregoirelongest in a relationship. They will go through like they realize they they're held to that standard that provider and protector role and they will hold to that even though they are absolutely miserable. I know there are times when

Mason Gregoiremen will initiate a divorce but statistically speaking what is it like 70 to 80% of divorces are initiated by women. Yeah, I think you're correct on that s like men will >> they will literally they would rather

Jadedie >> in with that family unit still intact >> versus I'm going to go try to find something else. >> But I feel like the reason >> even though they are miserable. >> The reason why women initiate more too is cuz what you're saying like men will

Jadejust stay in it >> but like a lot of them will then end up being unfaithful or this and that because like they would rather go cheat and disrespect versus like just ending the relationship. So it almost like takes the woman to get to the point of

Mason Gregoirelike you know what okay like I'm to for them to leave the man. >> Well I think this also comes into um the understanding of like so women's brains are very emotional. I think in men's brains we see things black and white

Mason Gregoirevery rationally based >> um versus like in the moment I'm not saying women have no rationality but generally speaking uh their nature is more emotional. They they um they're they're carers. They're nurturers. They

Mason Gregoirelove to see I mean they love to see their children happy. I mean there's that exuberance that comes out of a home because of a woman. Um me as a man I don't really bring that exuberance. I'm

Mason Gregoirelooking for that. But anyway um so the reason I think divorces are initially inst or so much overwhelmingly

Mason Gregoireum in initiated by women is that they base their decisions on emotion. like today or like over the last let's say 2 3 years I felt terribly about this

Mason Gregoiremarriage. I would rather live in a cardboard box because of I feel awful. Well, and then I'm going to base my decision on that even though I know this is going to be splitting up the home for

Mason Gregoirethese four or five children uh and it's going to ruin their life but emotionally I feel terrible. Whereas men like we see it very rationally where we look at okay

Mason Gregoireyes I feel terrible like those emotions do occur for men as hard as that is to believe I can feel terrible but I look at that emotion but then I look at the

Mason Gregoirerational but I'll be destroying our family that we've built. I can't let that happen because I I I know the the terribly rigorous stress trauma uh that it's going to

Mason Gregoirebring upon our family. It's going to ruin it. and it's going to tear our children apart. I know the statistics of like the the children who are in a divorced household. I know the terrible stuff that comes out of that. So, I need to make sure I hold this together even

Mason Gregoirethough I will be miserable till the day I die. Those people are more important than myself. And I'm not saying that every man is thinking that like consciously subconsciously that is usually the motivation motivation

Mason Gregoiremotivating factor for why they try to hold that family together because they are held to the standard of that >> provider and protector. >> Yeah. >> I mean it's absolutely valid like a lot

Jadeof people like you said where they consider like the whole like kids and everything. I think that's sometimes where it splits too is like um like the role model aspect of like is it better

Jadeto show your children to stay in a marriage you're unhappy in just to so like they'll be okay for the moment like until they're like pretty much out of your house or is it better for you to show your children like hey like if

Jadeyou're not getting what you deserve on both sides male or female it's better for you to walk away and go find what you deserve. >> Yeah. have to model the relationship >> because then you're going to >> So, do you really want to so I guess

Mason Gregoirepushing back a little bit, do you really want to show them that like splitting up this divinely instituted relationship is what you should do?

Jade>> I feel like if like okay circumstance, right? like if I'm in this marriage, it's not working and we've like gone to counseling and we've done all these things to like put the work in and it's still not working or one person's still

Jadenot getting treated the way they deserve, then like I would be okay with my child seeing that like, hey, if you put in everything you could and it's still not working because one or both are not putting in the effort, then like there's a point when you have to walk

Mason Gregoireaway. But yeah, if you're just saying like, oh well, like I'm unhappy right now. He's not, you know, whatever. This person's gain weight, whatever. walk away then yeah that's >> well so like but isn't the I'm not happy with this like just saying uh we've

Mason Gregoiretried to go to counseling stuff like that but it's not working out isn't that really just the what's underlying all of those statements I'm just not very happy with this person and you're just trying to usually just trying to make up something to justify why we need to end

Jadethis relationship >> well I feel like if you've done counseling you've actually like had the proper channels of communication to try to figure out how to make each other happy and you still have found zero conclusion like where do you I mean

Brian Atlaswhere do you go from that point? Like I'm asking >> I have some thoughts uh at least on this general topic. Um going back to you. So

Brian Atlasokay, you got divorced. Uh when did you guys split up? >> Uh end of 2024. >> So uh two years ago or >> one and a half years ago.

Brian Atlas>> One and a half years ago. Wait, hold on. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Uh like divorced or like separated?

Angelica>> Separated where he we were not sharing the same bedroom anymore? >> A year and a half ago. >> Correct. And that's why it's not healthy for the kids to see that. >> Hold on. But the divorce was finalized when?

Brian Atlas>> Uh 2025. >> 2025. And but you were separated a year and a half ago. >> Correct. >> Do you know what month about? uh around

AngelicaDecember of 2024. >> Okay. And now so it's April now. So >> a year a year and four months. >> Yeah. We were living pretty parallel lives before that. >> Parallel lives like

Brian Atlas>> we were we would never come together really. Um >> Okay. >> Until I asked him to, you know, I think it's better if you move downstairs. >> Now you said you were in a relationship for one year.

Angelica>> 11 months. That's what May of 2025. >> Okay. Um, how did you meet that guy? >> Uh, one of my long longtime friends, he

Angelicawas actually at my wedding, introduced me to him and said, um, >> there might be some vibes here.

Angelica>> Um, wait, introduced. Go ahead. >> He He said, you know, why don't you um He's like, man, dating in LA is awful. You know, these these guys are not it.

AngelicaThey like want to be chased. They wanted they want the woman to text first like okay princess what's your shoe size like

Angelicayou know don't it it's so my friend he's like man um and he's uh in a more conservative part of town

Angelicahe's like I'm going to I'm going to introduce you to this person I'm just going to make the introduction um and

Brian Atlasif you can get them I will bow down to you I think he's an unattainable guy. >> Wait, the So, I'm a bit confused. The guy who you're currently with

Angelica>> Uh-huh. was introduced to me by one of my best friends. >> He was at your wedding. >> He was at my wedding. >> Wait, your best friend who did the introduction? >> Yes. One of my one of my very good friends. >> The guy? >> The guy you're currently with?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Was he the one who was at your wedding? >> No, he was not at my wedding. The guy that was at my wedding introduced me to my boyfriend. >> So, you didn't know him? The guy who

Angelicayou're currently with? >> I had no idea who he was. >> You never met him. He basically just did a >> Here, I'm going to show you uh he had

Angelicatalked, they had like bonded over their divorces and stuff like that. And he said, uh, you know, why don't you take my friend out? And he said, oh, no, I'm

Angelicanot interested in women. in like they're a bunch of trouble. He goes, "Here, how about now?" And he's like, "Okay, maybe I'll take her out." And uh I was just

Brian Atlasgoing to go on a date, like one date because it's >> But so you were like what, six, this is uh 6 months post separation that you met

Brian Atlasthis? >> Yes. And you were married for you were together with this guy for 20 years. >> Correct. >> Married for 15. >> Correct. >> Three children.

Angelica>> Correct. >> Grieved the loss of the marriage. Great. >> 6 months. A little short. >> Hold on. Grieved the loss of the marriage over two years.

Angelica>> I begged my ex-husband to take me on a date for two years. He didn't plan. Not even one. >> Take what? Wait. >> Date me. Win me over again. and I want you to win me over again. Take me on a date. Plan a date.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. >> This is when I was with my ex-husband. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I understand that. Your you told your ex-husband in an effort to make it make it work, you said

Angelicawhat? >> Uh, can you plan a date for us? I want you to take me on a date. >> But you said win me over again. >> Yes. I said I want you to win me over again. Cuz it was >> He's your husband. Why would he? It was

Angelicaalready I want I want you. Let's start over. How did we fall in love? Let's do it again. >> And so, >> let's spend time together again.

Angelica>> And so, uh, you asked him to take you out on dates. >> And he refused. >> Yeah. I said, just plan something. Buy me flowers on a random Tuesday just because you're thinking about me.

Angelica>> It could be a flower off the side. >> He should buy you flowers. I wanted him to do something for me that he loved me. >> Was he depressed? >> I think so.

Angelica>> But was he just moping around the house? Not was like he out of work or was he working? >> Um, he was working and then he was out of work for uh the vast majority of 2024,

Angelicawhich is where I said, "Okay, well, he's not working anymore. So maybe now his job is going to be I'm going to pay attention to my wife here. And >> uh what was there like a couple

Brian Atlasclarifying things? >> Was there any cheating in your relationship on either your end, his end? >> Other men did not exist for me. >> Okay. Um so was there any abuse?

Angelica>> No. >> No. No physical violence? >> No. >> Uh no yelling or >> No yelling. But I mean people have criticism. We were very critical of each other. >> Critical of each other? >> Yes.

Angelica>> So how would he be critical of you? >> Um he was more passive aggressive with comments. >> How so? Like give me an example. >> Um

Angelicalike, "Oh yeah, way to go. That's a great that's a let's do it harder because it's easier for you or you know things." Comments. >> Talking about sex or what are we talking

Angelicaabout? No, we're talking about like if we're putting up a a shelf in like our kids' bedroom or something when we're redecorating, you know, getting them

Angelicafrom like a nursery to like a kids room. >> Um, and we have like a laser pointer >> and I'm like reading the directions and how to use it on the tripod and all that. He's like, "Well, let's just do it

Angelicayour way because let's do it the hard way because it's easier for you." Or, you know, very critical thing. >> Okay. So, he'd be kind of sassy. Yeah. >> And then you said you would be a little bit >> critical

Brian Atlas>> critical towards him. How so? >> Uh

Angelicathe trash has been full for a while. Like you know that's your job. Why don't you do it >> now? Was there somebody who started this war?

Angelica>> Who took the first shot? >> I did. Of course I did. Uh I'm I'm going to take full responsibility for that. So you started nagging him. >> Yes. I resented I resented him for a lot

Angelicaof things. >> For what? >> Not taking the trash out. >> Um maybe not initiating. Uh there was a moment in time where I had our son, our first child. He's 12 now. So this is a

Angelicalong time ago. >> And I profusely apologized to him because I was such a [ __ ] and I shouldn't have been. But I resented him

Angelicabecause as a woman, your life changes. But I still worked. I took care of the child. I still had all the domestic duties. So, and he gets up, showers,

Angelicagoes to work, gets to be stuck in traffic for an hour each way. Like, and I have to do all of this by myself.

AngelicaSo, at some point in the morning, I have my son like crying and I can't even make myself breakfast because I have to tend to my son and my emails are

Angelicapiling up. My phone's ringing and I'm like, I can't even make myself a breakfast quickly because he didn't wash the dishes last night. >> Were you um and this is when your son

Angelicawas a newborn, your first kid? It I wouldn't say it was the first the fourth what they call the fourth trimester of having children is that newborn. >> Yeah. >> Were you were you taking time off work

Angelicaat this point? >> Um I did take some time off work uh but not as much as I could because I >> Were you working from home? >> Correct. I I moved my office into my house. >> Um but you took some time off. I'm

Angelicaassuming >> I did. I took about I mean 6 weeks is not enough >> but I mean I was still working because you just you run a business you have to

Brian Atlascontinue to run it >> at that time uh because it sounds like uh you were you were out earning him but at that time were you earning more than him or was he the primary bread winner

Brian Atlasthen? I was still >> You were still making more then, correct? But not enough to the point

Angelicawhere like he he still had to work. >> Uh yes. Uh at that point I wasn't earning what I earned in the subsequent

Angelicayears. Um >> but he actually earned more in the very beginning of our relationship. >> Okay. He earned more. And And this is all real estate stuff.

AngelicaYou guys are real estate agents or brokers or >> Yeah. >> I'm in the mortgage and I you know, you buy a house, the crappiest house. Yeah. The crappiest house in the business neighborhood. You make it all beautiful. >> You You renovate, you flip. Correct.

Brian AtlasOkay. >> Um it's not really a world I'm super familiar with, but I don't think that that matters all too much, but Okay. So, you were both doing that. You had a better uh you did better than him. You were both doing the same thing

Brian Atlasbasically. Is that fair to say? >> He works in a more office clerical role. I know. >> Okay. You were more the hustler. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you were flipping houses, renovating them, turning a profit, doing

Brian Atlasmortgages, all this stuff. >> Um >> Okay. Uh you were out earning him though. But initially he was out earning you. Uh, but you said

Angelica>> one time I said these words and it was so bad and I apologized profusely for him, but it w almost everything was his fault and I was so critical and he

Angelicadeserves um a medal of patience and honor for the words that I said. I mean having so much

Angelicaresponsibility by myself with no help was very difficult. That doesn't excuse the criticism that he received. >> Um, >> what? So, you said it sounded like there was >> Yeah, I said >> like a really bad thing that you said.

Angelica>> Yeah, I I mean, I'm like, I I really need help with the dishes. Like, if I'm if I'm in the bedroom putting your son down to sleep for the night. I need you to be doing the dishes. And one day, I

Angelicasaw him and he was sleeping on the couch, taking a nap. And I all but yelled, "You are not allowed to sit on the couch until those

Angelicadishes are clean. I am in the bedroom putting your son to bed. I need help." And that was the wrong way to communicate that.

Brian AtlasVery wrong way. So I know that that was entirely my fault. >> And but so you know when you're in a relationship, uh these issues can often

Brian Atlasbe ongoing. Um you gave us one example of an instance where that happened. >> Yes. >> But was this a a uh and and you know

Brian Atlasperhaps he could have been more helpful. >> Was this a pattern? Was this a frequent occurrence happening daily, weekly? Uh, it was I want to say like

Angelicaonce or twice a month that it was that serious >> where you would yell >> um >> and >> and was so frustrated and amped up

Angelicabecause I was so tired and I just needed support and I wasn't getting it. Um, that your hormones are shot because you just gave birth to a baby. You have all

Angelicaof this work. You have very little support at home. you're I'm spent. You know, no one's filling my cup and I I'm

Angelicafilling everybody else's cup. So, as my son got older, you know, we got a better schedule. Um, this saint of a man was still there and I I apologized to him.

Brian Atlas>> I see. >> I knew that was wrong. >> But what you apologized a couple months later, a couple years later, how long? A few months later when things normalized,

Angelicawhen we got our new normal, so to speak, >> I started reflecting on things and I'm like, he didn't deserve that. >> Um, I shouldn't have said that or communicated that way. My delivery was awful.

Brian Atlas>> Um, I should have said something different. >> Now, you had but also you went on to have two more kids. So, you have three kids total. I would imagine having these

Brian Atlasother kids that creates additional burden uh additional complications. It's not just one kid which is already a handful. It's two kids and then three

Brian Atlaskids and then managing all that and then the increased burden financially of having more kids. Um but so you took when I asked the question who took the first shot in this

Brian Atlaswar you said you did. >> Yes. So I mean I suppose on one hand it's you have some degree of self you have a well not just a degree you do have self-awareness uh you are taking

Brian Atlasaccountability um but you you said that uh can you repeat what you said to him that first like that first blow up that you had when you said you like you yelled at him. What

Angelicadid you say? >> I had asked for help and um it was very difficult to put our son to bed. It's like an hour process and obviously men cannot breastfeed. So that was solely my

Angelicajob. >> Um, and I need help. If I'm doing something with your child, you know, I'm busy. I cannot be in the kitchen at the same time. >> And I would ask him, you know, I would

Angelicareally appreciate your help if you can help me clean the kitchen while I'm doing our son's bedtime routine. and he

Angelicaagreed to do it. But I must have had an awful day. And uh I came out after an hour, hour and a half of putting my son down to bed and

Angelicathe kitchen was still dirty and he was on the couch sleeping. And that put me into

Angelicanot being respectful, caring. Um like I just laid down on the couch for a minute. I was tired. Like you're tired.

AngelicaLike it's it it goes into all of those conversations. You're tired. Like I work just like you did, you know, while caring for a three-month old baby. Okay. All the while.

Angelica>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. >> Cooking the meals, you know, breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is a full-time job. Like when you're breastfeeding a three-month old baby, you're breastfeeding that baby half an hour every 3 hours.

Brian Atlas>> Now, when this whole blow up happened, did it turn into a yelling match, an argument? Did he yell back or was he apologetic? What was it? A long argument? I don't know if you've ever

Brian Atlashad like a [ __ ] three hour, two hour, 2 hour, 1 hour argument. Was it just that brief one minute blow up or was it >> It's It's very brief. He was very patient. That's why I said he's a saint

Angelicafor taking all of that. He was a saint for me and that's why I said I apologized >> multiple times for that. >> But then I mean obviously >> I was a first- time mom. I had no idea

Angelicawhat I was doing. That doesn't excuse or my behavior at all. >> What did you say again though? Remind me what you said to him. You are not allowed to sit on that couch until the dishes are clean.

Angelica>> Yeah. That >> it's I know. I know. Trust me. I I know. >> Yikes. >> I know. >> A man >> I know. >> I would have If that was me, I That's an

Brian Atlasinsta divorce. I'm just insta divorcing. No [ __ ] woman is ever going to tell me if a woman if I was dating a woman and she ever [ __ ] told me you can't.

Brian AtlasNow look, obviously it's like I can't [ __ ] the maid. That's fine. I can't [ __ ] you know, I can't cheat on you. Like, of course. But I can't rest

Brian Atlasin my [ __ ] house. Okay, it's over. It's a [ __ ] divorce. No woman can tell me is going to boss me around like that. I would never. I'm sorry. It's a [ __ ] divorce. Whatever. We're going

Brian Atlasto do 50/50 with the [ __ ] kids. It's [ __ ] over. I'm sorry. So yeah, he's very very patient as you said. Um but uh

Angelica>> in my defense, I did ask nicely in the beginning and I said how much that helps me that the kitchen's clean in the morning just coming home. I mean going

Brian Atlasinto the kitchen that's clean. It just >> We need his side of the story. Yo, >> where is he? Tell him to drive. Where is he? Where's he at? He's in LA. >> Uh he he lives like 2 minutes away from me. Yeah. >> All right. We're going to tell him he's

Brian AtlasThat black baby's [ __ ] down here. We're going to [ __ ] tell him. What is his What's I'm going to make up a name for him. Uh [ __ ] >> Bartholomew. Bartholomew. >> If you're watching this [ __ ]

Brian AtlasBartholomew, we need your side of the story. Hey, this podcast goes long. I know it's like a 2-hour plus drive from Los Angeles. Luckily, you know, it's getting later, so it's probably after rush hour. Get in your [ __ ] car,

Brian AtlasBartholomew. You send me a DM on Instagram. Are you okay with this though if he comes on the podcast? >> He's not on Instagram. I usually will not date someone if they're on Instagram. >> Aren't you're on Instagram? Whatever.

Brian Atlas>> If it's just my family, really. It's my kids on there. It's not >> Do you think he's watching? >> No. >> Okay. Well, if she's cool with it, cuz I don't want to blindside I I don't want to be like Jerry Springer where I'm [ __ ] blindsiding people. If she's

Angelicacool with it and you get in touch with me, we'll hear your side of the story. if she's cool with it and you're down and if you're even [ __ ] watching, which you probably aren't, but I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> I think he'll be much kinder. I'm I'm very critical on myself. >> I Yeah, you know, but that's the nice guy. He's probably a nice guy. I don't

Brian Atlasknow. But I imagine this was like not It was an ongoing thing. Uh I don't know. Maybe you >> Cuz look, for men, respect is everything. >> I know.

Brian Atlas>> Respect is everything. And it's like >> men men want to feel like that they're the man of the house. And when you got your wife bossing you around, you got

Brian Atlasyour wife. You can't do this. You can't do that. Do the [ __ ] dishes, [ __ ] Little [ __ ] boy. Do the dishes, [ __ ] >> I didn't say it like that. >> Well, that's what that's the that's the

Brian Atlasinterpretation. >> Yes. The frustrating part was that I had communicated. I need help. I just cannot do everything. >> But you were you were working from home, right? And like he you said he was commuting.

Brian Atlas>> So like he would commute an hour to work, an hour back. It's a pain sitting in a car for an hour. Uh he's probably he's got his own [ __ ] He's working >> and it's like I mean you were working

Brian Atlastoo, but I do feel like when you are working from home like you can work and kind of multitask a little bit. >> I did. I had I had no choice but to I

Brian Atlaswas in massive survival mode. >> This is why honestly, bro, we got to we got to bring we got to bring back traditional gender roles. We can't we can't have women working because when

Brian Atlasthey're working, no offense, like when they're working, they're just [ __ ] look it from from a purely from a purely like pragmatic perspective. If there are things that need to be done in the

Brian Atlashousehold, the children need to be taken care of and you have a full-time job, >> it's too much. >> Something's gonna suffer. >> Well, it's too much. So, it's like it's just like it's not even about um it's

Brian Atlasjust from a purely realistic perspective, there's not enough time to both have a full-time job and be like paying attention to the, you know, cleaning the house, taking care of the

Brian Atlaskids. This is why I think we need a return to patriarchy. We gotta I don't know. We gotta men make the big bucks. Let the men make the big bucks. You guys

Brian Atlasmake some [ __ ] sourdough bread. Make the sourdough. Clean the kids. Let them suck on the nip or whatever. Whatever it is you do, the breastfeeding or whatever. Um, you know, have you guys seen the the man

Brian Atlas>> boobs? That's absurd. >> That shit's crazy. But I don't know. I think uh in a situation where it's like the man's working, the woman's working, it's like, yeah, I think something's

Brian Atlasgoing to like there's going to be conflict because the kid needs attention, the house needs attention. Like how do you how do you juggle all those things? Maybe it can be done, but it's going to be it's going to be stressful. It's going to be hard.

Mason Gregoire>> We've tried this since like the ' 60s and ' 70s, and it's only gone downhill from then. So, let's like let's go back to where >> I'm with this back >> things are solid structured >> back to the

Jade>> I would love to not >> I do I do agree like it that it's I do believe it it would be better right if one person's working and one person's like doing more of the domestic stuff

Jadethat's just it's it meshes well but realistically that's just not going to be the case so I feel like what you hit on like respect absolutely is like that's the one thing a man does 100% require requires respect. Like that can

Jademake or break, but I feel like nowadays women also require respect. So, in a way, like she was disrespectful for thinking she could tell him like, "Oh, you're not allowed to sit on this couch." But it's also disrespectful in

Jadefor him in a way to see how exhausted she was and like not just immediately do it cuz what would it take maybe 20 minutes to do the dishes, but he let himself fall asleep. That's passively

Mason Gregoiredisrespectful. I understand what you're saying, but how see how her complaint wasn't respect, it was take me out on dates, like >> show me love, give me flowers.

Mason Gregoire>> The special romance me again >> the thing. Okay, so I mean again I'm just going to dive right into this. I mean why do you think uh in scripture it tells like the men you need to be able

Mason Gregoireyou need to love your wives and wives you need to respect your husbands. So, how she I want my husband to woo me, to give me flowers, to show that he loves

Mason Gregoireme, like just ignite something. Let's get going. And then he like what killed him was her disrespecting him. Like saying those like you're not allowed to

Mason Gregoiresit on the couch until you get this work done. Like showing that him, hey, I don't respect that you drive an hour to work, you work and do your thing, and

Mason Gregoiredrive an hour home. you're not even allowed to take a break. Like from his point of view, he's not allowed to even like relax a little bit. So it's like taking away that respect that he really

Mason Gregoireneeds and him taking away the love that she really needs. >> Um I mean the the way that since we are wired differently, we need

Mason Gregoiredifferent things. And I think uh I mean we're just harping on your story, but I mean this story is like exactly why that is that is evident. And uh yeah, I mean

Angelica>> that's why the rules when you go against your traditional gender roles, that's why it doesn't work. The traditional stuff >> this is why it doesn't work. >> It's why it doesn't work. >> In that one moment, she emasculated him

Mason Gregoireand became his mother. >> And at that moment, >> well, essentially, she's trying to take the husband role. >> Yeah. I mean, you were taking the husband role. I'm going to make make the most money. I'm going to also do the the motherly role and take care of the kids.

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