Andrew Wilson vs. SUPER Feminists! Misandrist? She HATES Brian?! 300+ Body Count? | Dating Talk #183
Date: 2024-07-31
Duration: 8h 41m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Taylor Furber(guest)
SPEAKER_04Richard (audience)(audience)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Brianna(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alex Kane(guest)
SPEAKER_11Delaney(guest)
SPEAKER_12TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_13Liza(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:49
IntroLuna Baby introduces herself: 30, Vegas, social media and porn. Adult industry 10 years.
“hello I'm Luna baby I am 30 um I currently live in Vegas grew up in LA and my occupation I do social media and porn”
00:06:32
IntroLiza introduces herself: 28, Isla Vista from Chicago, singer-songwriter. Sings original song chorus.
“hi I'm Liza I'm 28 I live in Isa Vista but I just moved from Chicago um I'm a singer songwriter”
00:09:19
IntroAlex Kane introduces herself: 22, Las Vegas, adult film.
“Kane I'm 22 I live in Las Vegas and I do adult film”
00:09:43
IntroDelaney introduces herself: 27, Santa Barbara, former property manager, entering medical industry.
“I'm Delaney I'm 27 and I am uh been in Santa Barbara the last 10 years I'm originally from San Diego”
00:10:53
IntroTaylor Furber introduces herself: 33, Nashville, red carpet reporter, podcast host Talk to Me Taylor.
“hi everybody I'm Taylor furber 33 the grandma on this... I am uh formerly in La I'm in Nashville now I was a red carpet reporter”
00:11:26
IntroBrianna introduces herself: 21, UCSB, psych and brain sciences, from Riverside.
“hi everyone my name is Brianna I'm 21 I'm originally from Riverside but now I'm here”
00:13:08
IntroLayla introduces: 30, Northern Arizona, off-grid glamping PM, No Agenda EP.
“I'm laa I'm 30 I'm from Northern Arizona and I'm a property manager for off-grid glamour camping airbnbs”
00:13:26
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst, debate university creator.
“my name is Andrew Wilson the host of The Crucible the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube”
01:33:42
ControversyLiza expresses fear over Project 2025 and reciprocal IVF rights; she and Delaney considered leaving the US.
“especially as someone who wants to have children through reciprocal IVF which is specifically detailed in that document”
01:49:05
OtherLiza reveals she has had two abortions; emotional disclosure about wanting to be a mother.
“I had to have an abortion because of the situation I was in as a teenager being abused and being threatened with homelessness”
02:03:54
OtherDelaney discloses past sex work/escorting during relationship with Liza; Liza supported her through it.
“I used to be a sex worker um and I was a sex worker that involved sleeping with um men um and Liza was we were in a relationship for a period during that time”
02:56:33
ControversyAndrew Wilson presents force doctrine argument: men could remove women's rights by force if they chose.
“if men collectively said that you couldn't do that you couldn't do that right at this point I mean if they imprisoned me for it”
03:07:07
OtherSelf-ratings round begins: Brian asks everyone to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7).
“going around the table starting with you rate your looks on scale of 1 to 10 can't pick seven”
03:35:30
ControversyLiza and Delaney confront Brian about being combative/misogynist; Brian defends his hosting approach.
“I just found somebody who's not very respectful of women”
03:57:27
OtherBear or man question posed. Liza and Delaney both choose bear due to personal trauma with men.
“would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or random bear starting with you go ahead”
05:29:00
TopicLiza/Delaney mini-departure moment after political debate gets too heated; Brian redirects to other guests.
“we'd be happy to host an actual debate on it but um thank you so... we need to move it on”
05:55:18
OtherDelaney reveals she was previously a sex worker/escort and did OnlyFans to pay bills for a year.
“it did pay all my bills for a year it paid my fiance's bills it made my dreams come true I mean I don't regret what I did”
06:17:29
QuoteBody counts revealed: Luna says ~200-300; Alex Kane says over 1,000.
“my body count if you really want to know yeah I probably past a couple hundred couple hundred okay like 200-300”
06:19:04
QuoteAlex Kane states body count over 1,000.
“over 1,000 I love dick I love being a slut”
06:40:03
QuoteLuna defends body count double standard; argues critics are the same people consuming her content.
“who cares like it's back to the double standard fine... the same people who want to devalue me and people in my industry are the same people consuming it”
07:55:21
QuoteTaylor Furber explains her power game with male friends: challenges them to grab her ass by end of dinner.
“I will put it on the table and be like okay you know I Dare You by the time we leave this restaurant like grab my butt”
Topics Discussed
00:00:15
Show open / announcements / debate university promo
Brian opens show, channel announcements, promotes debateuniversity.com verbal combat course with Andrew Wilson.
00:05:41
Guest introductions
All 7 guests + Andrew introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Luna Baby sings; Alex Kane intro; Delaney; Taylor Furber; Brianna; Layla; Andrew Wilson.
00:14:20
World War I/II trivia round
Brian asks panel to name WWI/WWII years and Allied/Axis powers. Mixed results.
00:18:18
Relationship status round
Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, and single period. Includes discussion of dating civilians while in adult film industry (Luna, Alex Kane). Liza reveals engagement to Delaney; Brianna reveals virgin status.
00:51:07
Feminist / patriarchy debate
Extended debate on feminism definition, dismantling patriarchy/whiteness, male vs female rights. Liza and Delaney as primary feminist advocates vs Andrew Wilson debating. Topics: DEI, meritocracy, Kamala Harris, female representation, women's suffrage.
01:30:00
Bodily autonomy: abortion vs military draft
Andrew Wilson debates bodily autonomy — abortion rights vs Selective Service (draft) registration. Liza/Delaney argue pro-choice; Andrew argues draft is equivalent bodily autonomy restriction. Both agree draft should be equal or abolished.
01:33:42
Project 2025 / US freedom debate
Liza and Delaney express concerns about Project 2025 (reciprocal IVF referenced). Andrew Wilson argues US is the freest country. Discussion on LGBTQ rights, abortion policy.
01:40:30
Reparations / dismantling whiteness discussion
Brian asks who owes reparations. Liza/Delaney on dismantling whiteness systems. DEI debate, Japan immigration analogy, Israel mentioned.
01:45:00
Abortion personal stories
Personal disclosures about abortion experiences from multiple guests. Discussion on trauma, shame, lack of aftercare, pro-choice vs pro-life. Religious debate on when life begins.
02:06:54
Suicide / euthanasia discussion
Discussion stems from bodily autonomy debate. Liza's position on allowing adult children to make end-of-life decisions. Growing up Jehovah's Witness reference.
02:19:03
Male suicide rate statistics
TTS brings up men dying by suicide at 3.85x rate of women (CDC stat). Brief panel discussion on why men commit suicide at higher rates.
03:07:07
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)
Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Then asks what 1,000 men would rate them. Comparison to Pamela Anderson in her peak.
03:10:10
Will you be better-looking in 10-20-30 years? debate
Discussion on aging, Botox, breast implants, wrinkles. Most women say yes (in different ways). Andrew challenges with logic about magic wand aging.
03:57:27
Bear or man survival scenario
Standard Whatever question: stuck in woods alone with random man or random bear. Liza and Delaney choose bear (due to trauma with men). Others split. Extended debate on male victimization risk statistics, force doctrine, women's self-sufficiency.
04:43:06
Victimhood hierarchy debate
Discussion on whether victimization can be compared/ranked. Convenience store robbery scenario vs assault example. Liza argues no perfect victim; Andrew argues levels of victimization exist.
04:52:18
Ukraine war / men barred from leaving
Andrew uses Ukraine war example: men 18-60 barred from leaving country, women could flee. Discussion on who is more victimized in war.
05:05:00
Women's self-sufficiency without men debate
Andrew Wilson argues women need men (force doctrine). Liza argues she needs tools not men. Discussion on infrastructure, construction, physical strength differences, fire making.
05:12:00
Force doctrine / physical power dynamic
Andrew Wilson presents force doctrine argument: men's physical dominance means women's rights are ultimately granted by men. Feminist guests dispute.
06:17:29
Body count debate / double standard
Body count revealed (Luna ~200-300, Alex Kane 1000+). Debate on double standard for promiscuous women vs men. STD testing practices among sex workers discussed.
06:18:00
Sex worker debate: porn addiction / industry criticism
Luna and Alex Kane defend porn industry. Andrew analogizes porn criticism to tobacco company criticism by addicts. Discussion of PornHub safety improvements, CP concerns.
07:55:21
Taylor's relationship dynamic / monogamy philosophy
Taylor Furber describes her unconventional relationship approach: flirting with male friends, issuing 'ass-grab challenges' as power play. Partner is twice her age, non-possessive. Brian and Andrew challenge the logic.
Transcript
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03:48:43
Brian Atlasmorning I'd be okay all right guys I got to move I got to move this on okay lucky for you I did eat breakfast so this is I'm not you snatched defeat from the jaws of Victory
03:48:55
Brian Atlasthat's fine all right K can we fire the one trolling in pink US Army only actually kind of agree with you on something I don't want to talk over this guy my
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Brian Atlasbad now was that my fault this time too that was me RS in the spirit of ir r i take let's hear an apology okay sorry I take accountability for that I'm just spoken pretty sure that was going to be
03:49:18
Brian Atlasmy fault again somehow I was telling him I actually thought I kind of agreed with him on something so KOB said can we fire the only trolling in pink us here I'll P it up US Army only get to catch your show occasionally and she's annoying start to be rude okay thank you K cop
03:49:31
Brian Atlasappreciate it you have 10 seconds to respond to him go can we fire the I trolling one in pink occasionally she is annoying sorry to be rude well K cop that's your
03:49:41
Brian Atlasopinion Free Speech bud that's your opinion op live your life bro uh okay thank you kop appreciate it so very much we need to get back grid one
03:49:52
Brian Atlasasked a question a [ __ ] freaking three hours ago so grid one we're finally getting to it uh he asked he asked grid one are you still in the chat grid one
03:50:03
Brian Atlasuh grid one do women have any rights that men do not grant them oh okay I thought he was asking do women have any rights uh that uh do men have any rights that women don't but his question is do
03:50:16
Brian Atlaswomen have any rights that men do not grant them so thank you men for granting me rights I don't know what to say that's a question right do I mean do
03:50:28
Brian Atlaswomen have any rights that men do not Grant to them yeah meaning that women women have given themselves these rights
03:50:36
Brian Atlasabsent men yes yes I I think so in certain ways like I have the right to completely decenter men for my life and make my life have absolutely nothing to do with them no no man gave me that
03:50:49
Brian Atlasright um but I'm choosing to do that with my own free will and my life's never been better so I don't I don't okay so I'm just going to follow up real quick because I can't stand on the topic for long but I I just got to ask um if
03:51:01
Brian Atlasmen collectively said that you couldn't do that you couldn't do that right at this point I mean if they imprisoned me for it and collectively said you you have to make men the center of your life or you're going to jail I guess they could try to force me to do that yeah
03:51:13
Brian Atlasthen I understand how you granted yourself that right because I was I grew up in a society where like being attractive in men's eyes it
03:51:26
Brian Atlaswhether you want to argue with me or not at least the life I grew up in being attractive in the eyes of a man was basically a life or deaf thing if all men think I'm ugly it makes me think I'm going to have less job opportunities I'm going to have less I'm going to be less
03:51:39
Brian Atlasrespected I'm yeah keep laughing I'm going to have all these things but it's like I granted myself the right to not give a flying [ __ ] and even though they're saying disrespectful stuff like any comments about me so far have been
03:51:49
Brian Atlasreally disrespectful like quite honestly I've given myself the permission to not care because I'm so happy with my life I cannot wait to leave here and have an awesome evening with my life like I can't wait so I just gave myself the
03:52:03
Brian Atlaspermission to stop one comment gave you kudos for being like ride or die libertarian like so I did say that libertarian she is not a Libertarian I
03:52:13
Brian Atlasnot a libertarian I I register as declin to State I I'm going to be voting for comma but I I I I I make my choices
03:52:24
Brian Atlasbased on the individual not based on an entire uh group's ideologies I have my own okay so I did want to get into you mentioned that you used to you mentioned like in your most recent comment your
03:52:37
Brian Atlaspast life or something uh so you were involved in sex work and escorting is that correct I don't like calling it that I just like saying py work generally just because I I don't know where these clips are going to go in my future are you like ashamed of it or is
03:52:49
Brian Atlasit like I'm not ashamed of it I just just it's not that I'm ashamed of it but I do live in a society where if a viral clip of me saying that verbatim goes around it it could affect uh the way people respect me in the future unfortunately so you were you were a sex
03:53:02
Brian Atlasworker though I was a sex worker and you did you did do only fans only fans is one thing I will talk about doing yes sure um how long were you doing sex work I mean I the first time I did it I was
03:53:13
Brian Atlas18 um and then I went almost 10 years without it and I started again um at the tail have you stripped like done ex uh dancing or whatever no it's it wasn't dancing I did internet stuff and the stuff I did in person I just don't
03:53:27
Brian Atlasreally want to title it cuz I don't want that Viral clip of me saying that comment going I'm not ashamed of it it's truly because the society we live in will limit my opportunities in the future because of that and that's the truth it shouldn't right but you said
03:53:39
Brian Atlasyou started when you were 18 you're now 27 only fans didn't exist when you started doing sex work I was not doing only fans at 18 um I was doing other types of sex work um and I stopped for
03:53:52
Brian Atlasyears I was in a monogamous relationship for 6 years um and then when I got out of that I went back to it out of uh survival really um and it it did pay all
03:54:03
Brian Atlasmy bills for a year it paid my fiance's bills it made my dreams come true I mean I don't regret what I did but it wasn't being who I wanted to be so I'm really grateful that I personally got to get out of that however I don't shame any other woman that so we're going to get
03:54:16
Brian Atlasthrough some of our sure well I appreciate you sharing that um now we are going to get through some of our stack questions here that we tend to ask more towards the uh the second half of
03:54:27
Brian Atlasthe show yeah uh we try to ask this it's always interesting to hear the responses every show would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or random bear starting with you go ahead me that's funny this could apply to both
03:54:40
Brian Atlasman and bear I don't are do we both have weapons okay so here's the scenario here just just to make it really clear so you are
03:54:50
Brian Atlasrandomly plucked and a random man within the US is also randomly plucked so there's not like why is he in the woods you just randomly get teleported what
03:55:00
Brian Atlastype of bear uh it's a random bear too so the bear could could uh a random bear that exists in the United States if it's a Grizzly I'll take the man I'm not
03:55:12
Brian Atlasabove fighting a grown man if it's the bear I'll take my chances with anything else other than a okay so you get teleported so there's not like you know why is the man in the forest you know
03:55:24
Brian Atlaswhatever you're both randomly put there you're going to come if you pick man you come across him if you pick bear you come across them answer is bear or
03:55:35
Brian Atlasman both why not you got to pick one man bear you just I'll take the man and I'll fight him if I need to
03:55:46
Brian Atlasokay okay so you'd rather the man than the bear why not yeah originally you said a different answer kind of you said something I said if it was a Grizzly I'd pick the man and F my way out if I
03:55:58
Brian Atlasneeded to if it was any other species of bear sure I'll take the bear so okay what about you I mean I feel like I have a more Surefire awareness of what's going to happen if it's a bear no matter
03:56:09
Brian Atlaswhat type I could learn about bears but I just personally have S there's such a lack of understand oh such a lack of understanding how you can scoot into the table a bit just to make it a little easy the man brain works I don't really
03:56:23
Brian Atlasunderstand it and that's why I like discussions like that this so I can try to understand how you guys think how the man brain works I sorry that's simplifying it but just how I feel like
03:56:33
Brian AtlasI'm try to put myself in your position and how that would feel and think but if you stuck out in the forest with a man wouldn't that give you a lot of time to figure out how the man but then you have to think of my own personal experience
03:56:46
Brian Atlaswith trauma and Men I would feel more comfortable with dying or being brutally attacked than dealing with a human doing that to me that just in my experience that's more damaging I could survive a
03:56:57
Brian Atlasbear attacking me and ripping off my legs but I don't think mentally I'm strong enough to survive we'll get everybody's answers go ahead I'm going to go with the man okay I'm going to go
03:57:07
Brian Atlaswith the bear mhm man I go with the man man really quick uh why bear any of the times I've been brutally assaulted in my life it's been from a human man um and
03:57:18
Brian Atlasthere's been human men that I've trusted with my whole heart who've greatly harmed me um a bear I don't trust a bear to begin with I can at least kind of ascertain what its behaviors are going
03:57:30
Brian Atlasto be like cuz bears are kind of the same men can can make you feel safe and trusted and then turn around and greatly harm you and you have no idea and I'm sorry to hear that bears can't manipulate I'm sorry to hear that that's
03:57:41
Brian Atlaswhy I pick a bear personally Okay so uh it does sound like you said there's been some terrible things that have happened in your life um I do want to
03:57:51
Brian Atlasask though so because those things have happened you are you are you're saying that because of that that gives you essentially justification for your bias against men I don't have a bias against
03:58:04
Brian Atlasmen I don't want to have sex with them but I don't and I don't want my life to revolve around them but I'm happy to work with them I'm happy to be in the work spaces with them I'm happy to be in Creative spaces with them I just don't
03:58:15
Brian Atlaswant them to sexualize me I want them to look at me for my brain what does that have to do with the that doesn't mean that I have a bias against them uh because like I said the only experience I have in my life of being physically attacked is by human men so if that's my
03:58:28
Brian Atlasonly experience why would I choose to be alone with this question is asking you to do a risk assessment yeah I think it's less risky to be around a bear because you can study on a YouTube video for 20 minutes how to survive a bear attack or whatever I haven't done enough
03:58:40
Brian Atlasresearch I know you get big or whatever but I can learn those things pretty quickly and work on pretty much all bears unless it has like some health problem and its derange men can change every like they're all individual they
03:58:51
Brian Atlashave highly like you we're humans we can think and manipulate and trick people Bears can't trick me what percentage of men do you think then because you must be doing some sort of calculus risk
03:59:02
Brian Atlasassessment here as to the likelihood that any given random man would hurt you for example if in this scenario I say that and you might disagree with this
03:59:12
Brian Atlasnumber but if you were to Grant it less than 1% of men in this situation would choose to harm you in some way how do you know you have an interviewed every man that's alive just said he
03:59:23
Brian Atlaswasn't okay I'm sorry don't can you engage in the I am engaging that's why I asked a question I'm trying to understand your example but so if we grant that if we grant
03:59:33
Brian Atlasthat would you still pick the bear if it was the case that less than 1% of men would harm me then 100% obviously that makes way more sense it'd be less likely a man would attack me than a bear but
03:59:45
Brian Atlasthat's not a real fact you made that up so fair enough but so comparatively so comparatively speaking well actually well first let me ask what percentage of men then like in actuality since you
03:59:55
Brian Atlasdon't agree that it's less than 1% what percentage of men do you think would be inclined to victimize you in some way in this scenario I I don't I just I honestly don't know because I've been
04:00:08
Brian Atlasshocked so many times I've really trusted people and been blown away so I I choose to everyone I meet assume that they're a good person I see the good in everyone but I'm also if I once I see a red flag I'm not going to ignore it people show who they are really quickly
04:00:21
Brian Atlasand I I listen to their action you think it's more than 10% I think more than 10% of men would look at me and have some kind of thoughts as far as wanting something sexual for me just by looking at me um which doesn't mean they're going to
04:00:34
Brian Atlasattack me for it it doesn't mean that all men can't control themselves but it does mean that even though they they're already having that thinking towards me they're already looking at me as an object in some way rather than as an intelligent person to discourse with so that makes me uncomfortable in the first
04:00:46
Brian Atlasplace that they have the ability to attack me if we were in the woods and I was the only woman and they wanted to have sex and there's literally no one to have sex with I don't know if they' go crazy scenario I I don't know what the scenario is you said if I was alone in the woods with a man so I'm assuming I'm
04:00:59
Brian Atlasalone in the woods with a man which means there's no other women around they want to have sex with me I'm the only one you won't be stuck there in perpetuity I didn't know that you didn't you didn't include that in the original
04:01:08
Brian Atlasthing but again if I I can assess how a bear is going to act by its body language and stuff and it's true a man's body language can be a complete lie so I would prefer to just see what it is for
04:01:21
Brian Atlaswhat it is and not have to try to read between the lines like I do with human men might I just change the scenario a little bit would you rather be stuck in a 10x10 room with a random in or a random
04:01:34
Brian Atlasbear it it it really it depends if the statistic you're saying is that less than 1% of men want to harm me then I'd rather be with man whatever do you think it is I think I'd still rather be with the bear to be honest with you because I
04:01:46
Brian AtlasI think I can study animal behaviors and learn and I can't I no matter how much I study men I I I just did it right now you don't have time to study the animal animal
04:01:57
Brian Atlasbehaviors then I guess maybe I'd pick a man cuz like least I know how to survive those situations with men I know how to be fake submissive long enough to get out but I don't want to be put in that situation anymore so I think I'd rather just not be alone with men do you think
04:02:10
Brian Atlasin in all instances do you think in all instances you would have to be fake submissive yes if a man wanted to attack me the only way out unless I have a weapon I'm I'm
04:02:22
Brian Atlasless than 100 lb unless I have a weapon if a man wants to harm me the only way to survive it is not to fight it it's to be submissive so you do pres you're presupposing I want to be in that position anymore you're presupposing in all instances that the man would be
04:02:34
Brian Atlasinclined to attack you he could be a perfectly he would have he could have absolutely zero intentions that's what I'm saying if he had no intentions of attacking me then there wouldn't be a fight but I'm just in your scenario he could he could have intentions but he
04:02:46
Brian Atlascould also not have intentions but that's the that's always any interaction every interaction with every man in world that way I don't know their in if we can I would like to try to get a a bear wouldn't attack you just
04:02:58
Brian Atlasbecause you're a woman a bear just attack yeah they would so a a man not all men but the men that do attack because that woman is smaller can't
04:03:10
Brian Atlasfight back they can easily control them a bear isn't going to do that because you're a woman they're going to attack you because you're a meat okay so if I can I would like to get a I would like
04:03:20
Brian Atlassome spec uh something specific if you can attribute a percentage to the amount of men that you think in this situation would be
04:03:31
Brian Atlasinclined to attack you in some way 5050 I think it's 50/50 so so 50% of the men in the United States would be inclined to I think they'd at least look
04:03:42
Brian Atlasat me and have a thought of of like I I could I think yeah I think they look at me and say I could she's 90 lb she's small she looks vulnerable I could I'm not going to but I think they
04:03:53
Brian Atlaslook at me and immediately size me UPC okay what percentage of men are if I can what percentage of men are heterosexual probably a lot less than people admit I'd think I think there's a
04:04:04
Brian Atlaslot of men that are more gay than I would be prepared a lot of the ones who I think heterosexual men Brian thanks for getting to you Binky I double dog dare you to debate
04:04:16
Brian Atlasfeminism with Mrs Wilson it will be very amusing I am off to bed the amount of copium on this panel is overwhelming good night uh gri one thank you for the TTS appreciate I I I hope you have a I
04:04:28
Brian Atlashope you have a good night G one sweet dreams sweet dreams like she say nightm well I mean so even if I just grant you oh
04:04:38
Unknown/Ambientmod $200 I honestly hope this 300 for runs into a Grizzly and tries to be big LMFAO talk about being misinformed ladies your
04:04:51
Richard (audience)chest tattoos give you away cancel your avore GTFO with your BS always He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer yo Hama thank you man
04:05:02
Brian Atlasappreciate it um so if if 90% of men are heterosexual uh I mean it wouldn't surprise me if like the vast majority of
04:05:13
Brian Atlasthem found you attractive it's not clear to me if there's like just because a man finds you attractive that that's going to then lead to you getting attacked or
04:05:24
Brian Atlasvictimized in some way um that's what's hard to ascertain and that's what I think Liza was getting out earlier when she was saying we don't know men's Brains it's like we do find people I I can appreciate that you're not ugly I
04:05:36
Brian Atlasthink you have an attractive face does that make me attracted to you no I have no attraction to you whatsoever but like I have no ATT but that's what I'm saying is like the way that I think about people I can look at someone and think
04:05:47
TTS/Donationsthey're attractive but I I wonder when men look at me and think I'm attractive the level of delusion is off the scale I'd laugh as I walk away while the bear eats your dumb ass that comment that's what I'm saying like that's scary that
04:05:59
Brian Atlasmen would walk away while I got murdered like I would never say that you rather pick the bear that's totally valid it is valid but to him saying just because we pick a bear we deserve to die no we just shouldn't do you think men have a duty
04:06:12
Brian Atlaswait is this a really feminist position that no no hold on let me finish let me finish do you think men have a duty to protect random women wanting us to die is different than them having a d I never said they
04:06:25
Brian Atlashave a duty to protect us but them standing there and be like haha die [ __ ] because you picked a bear yeah [ __ ] weird I don't wish death upon anyone people make choices I disagree with all the time and I don't want them to be dead and if something bad happened
04:06:38
Brian Atlasto them I genuinely feel sadness for them so just uh who it was be and be right uh 50 50 you said 50% of men would be inclined to I I don't know that's what I'm saying that's that's what it feel I'm saying that's what it feels like to
04:06:51
Brian Atlasme but I don't I'm not in your head and that's why I just feel comfortable not being alone with men it has nothing to do with my head it's what you think when I'm saying you I'm talking about men as a group right I know I'm not talking about you specifically I don't want to be in a room alone with you but I don't
04:07:02
Brian Atlasthink you'd harm me either if you're alone I just am saying like I don't know how men think but I don't think men think like me where they're like oh she's pretty okay let's continue I think they think oh she's pretty what she look look like naked does she know to suck
04:07:15
Brian Atlasdick like I think they think those things and that's what makes me uncomfortable and you say you don't have a bias against men uh I didn't say I don't have a bias against men you literally said I don't have a bias against men I didn't say that verbatim I never said the word bias once this whole conversation can you replay the clip I
04:07:28
Brian Atlassaid the word bias asked I I'm pretty sure I asked if you have a bias against men and you said no I do not I said that I'd love how is that any different it it's completely different I'm saying how is it different I'm trying to explain
04:07:39
Brian Atlasyou keep interrupting the same [ __ ] question let me answer it so like Jesus Christ so like I am happy use the lord's name and oh poor baby are you a go ahead go
04:07:50
Brian Atlasahead go ahead um what a poor baby um so anyway I uh I'm happy to work with men who I want to work with people as human beings I don't want them to look at me sexually I don't want to look at them
04:08:01
Brian Atlassexually I want them to see the intelligence I have I want to see the creativity they have vice versa I want to feed off of each other I want to like I want to be in the work environment with people who want to work towards the same things I want work with regardless
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Brian Atlasof gender I'm just saying I choosing not to be alone with men really in any respect and that's not me having a bias against them that's the way I choose to live my life I don't hate you guys Prejudice do you know what Prejudice means why is that a problem do you know what Prejudice means are you Prejudice
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Brian Atlascuz you don't want to be [ __ ] in the ass by a man like you're question you have your own preferences I don't want to be alone with a man that doesn't mean I hate you guys or of a bias against you I just I don't feel comfortable with you you don't want to get [ __ ] in the ass or you hate gay people let me ask you
04:08:41
Brian Atlaslike you don't hate gay people I'm not assuming that but I'm assuming you don't want to have sex with a man that's your preference I don't think you're biased what does that have to do with bias or Prejudice because you're saying cuz I don't want to be alone with a man that that means I have a bias against them
04:08:52
Brian Atlashold on I canot feel safe around you and choose tell me if this is cor tell me if this is correct so you said that I bet
04:09:01
Brian Atlasif most men saw me they would think this they would think oh she's attracted damn modest have donated
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Brian AtlasRumble yo hakama thank you man for the TTS really good to see you back man I it's been it's been a while so thank you for appreciate it really quick for the record I don't wish death upon Donald Trump I just don't want him to be my president but I I don't want him to be I
04:09:36
Brian Atlasdon't wish harm upon literally anyone and that's hard for people to believe cuz other people I think do wish that and they don't agree with me cuz they it's like thank you H so going back going back to this so you said something
04:09:47
Brian Atlasalong the lines of if I recall correctly that if a man were to see you in the forest that he would think something along the the lines of wow she's attractive I wonder if she sucks dick good I wonder how she looks naked did
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Brian Atlasyou say that essentially I I've had that experience no no no did you say that yes I did say that because I've had that exp how is that not precisely a Prejudice and a bias against men to to assume to
04:10:12
Brian Atlaspresuppose that that is precisely what a majority of men is going to think I never said the majority I said maybe it's 5050 maybe it's less I don't know what it is but I do know for a fact that some men think that way cuz they've told me to my face and they've shown me in
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Brian Atlastheir actions I don't think all men feel that way but because I know some of them do I just choose to not be alone men do undress women and that's okay as long as they don't act they undress women in their minds as long as they don't act inappropriate understand you've been
04:10:37
Brian Atlasvictimized I get that um let us assume for a second that you grew up in like the hood okay and you were white and you were being victimized by people who
04:10:48
Brian Atlaslived in this demographic and so later right when somebody asked you would you rather be on an island um with a person who was black or a person who was white
04:11:00
Brian Atlasand they said always a person who was white would they be being prejudiced not necessarily because like I that's what I'm saying is that's these are the the thinking that we need to break down is like I had to come to that point with
04:11:12
Brian Atlasmen I used to I was a manter I'll be honest with you I'm not a manter anymore because I've realized they're not all that way that doesn't mean I want to get close to you necessarily but it's the same thing yeah let me let me continue I'm getting there I'm getting there I don't necessarily think that like I
04:11:25
Brian Atlasthink if you had the living [ __ ] beat Out of You by a black person and then you instinctively felt fear of a black person like that's not necessarily wrong that's PTSD however if you choose to allow that belief to color your life and
04:11:38
Brian Atlascolor the way you treat black people forever you you have responsibility to change that Bri then you really I have broken down I don't feel hatred towards men anymore I just really don't want my life to
04:11:50
Brian Atlasrevolve around but hang on let's reverse this right hang on you can do your life and be happy Uno Uno reverse right okay so if a white person was like okay yeah I get it I just don't ever want to be in the room with a black person I mean like
04:12:03
Brian Atlasagain if they choose to go hide in their house like as long as they're not actively harming black people because of their fear they can think anyone can think whatever they want in their head as long as they're not is it correct for them to think that it's not correct or
04:12:16
Brian Atlasincorrect to think anything what's incorrect are actions you can think whatever you want but once action so if they said out loud I don't want to be in a room with a person because they're A different race than me that's something they need to something they need to be
04:12:29
Brian Atlaslike I understand and have compassion for myself because the trauma I experience made me feel this way but I need to recognize that that's something I need to break down like yeah that's part of growing up and maturing is like I had to realize a lot of the things
04:12:41
Brian Atlasthat traumatized me as a child like the whole world isn't that way like that's why I'm here talking to you guys I I was walking down the street to get tacos with my fiance I didn't know I was going to be on this weird conservative talk show with two men but like I just like I
04:12:53
Brian AtlasI'm not afraid of you I'm not wanting to not have discourse with you but do if you were like come home with me after this I'd be like no thank you because that's not what I want that's not what we okay but that's what I'm saying is I just don't want my life to revolve around you doesn't mean I don't want to
04:13:06
Brian Atlaswork with you doesn't mean I don't want to talk to you on TV and and understand your point of view I think it's fascinating I totally disagree but it's fascinating and I like to to learn from you but I don't wanted to go go beyond that that's literally it let me well let
04:13:18
Brian Atlasme ask of story a quick uh quick a quick followup so if you're on an island let's say there's no bear okay you're just uh on an island and you are told before you
04:13:30
Brian Atlasgo on you you're given a crystal ball so you can look into the person's heart you know for sure he's not he's not thinking anything about you that way nothing like that but he hates feminists so he's like
04:13:41
Brian Atlaslook if we're magically being trans for to this island against our choice right is he obligated in any way shape or form to help you no but I'm not obligated to help him or have sex with him like that's what I'm saying we're not obligated to do anything to each other want anything
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Brian Atlaslike that if he doesn't want anything to do with me I would respect that just like I would expect him to respect that about me back so if you're starving to death on this island and he has a big like uh you know boar that he just took down right and he would agree he'd
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Brian Atlasprobably be better at that cuz like you said you're 90 lbs right so if I had a gun I could do it alone yeah I know okay so he he fashion a spear of like Vines and [ __ ] right he goes takes his boar out he's cooking you're starving to
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Brian Atlasdeath right does he have any obligation to give you that board uh morally I I mean I think it's kind of rude of him not to but that's the kind of person I am is if he didn't want [ __ ] to do with me I would turn around and I'd catch a bigger boar and figure it out because
04:14:30
Brian Atlasthe thing is is like a lot of this is not just all about bronze it's about intelligence like if I have the tools I can do the same thing men can do I just need the tools cuz I'm I don't have the arm muscle that's not that doesn't make
04:14:41
Brian Atlasme you have no tools yeah well if I'm on an island I can make some tools guess what part of my trouble teen industry story was I was one of those girls in those Wilderness camps I just I had to make a fire out of random fibers of plants and sticks like I literally
04:14:54
Brian Atlasactually learned how to do all that [ __ ] I'm sure I could figure it out but I I I think it'd be really rude of him and if it was vice versa and he was starving and I was the one that caught the boar my nature as a person is I would share
04:15:04
Brian Atlaswith him but he has no obligation to he not necessarily no cuz I I I'm not that's what I'm saying I can take care of me I don't need you guys to protect me safer living with a woman than I ever
04:15:15
Brian Atlashave so I will move it on here I guess really quick so you said it was about 50/50 for the men maybe that's what it seems like to me from my limited worldview experience but I haven't seen the whole world and haven't met every
04:15:26
Brian Atlasman but it seems like that way you think it's probably 50/50 feels that way 50% of some days it really feels that way okay and then you said be to what if you had to attribute a percentage what percentage of men do you think would
04:15:38
Brian Atlasvictimize women in the scenario into the mic um I mean I guess if I'm it's hard for me to know um if I I
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Brian Atlasguess it just depends my experience is it's more than 50% cuz that's my interaction if I go through the list of men and for me so for me I would say more like
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Brian Atlas75 in general I don't know it's probably less but I also just want to add never mind donated
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04:16:23
Brian Atlaswhile I choke on my own vomit what the hell when the last time you got tested buddy we been insult when's the last time ever last time we saw J Butler months we've been missing your herpes talk bro hold on I
04:16:37
Brian Atlasgot something for you he's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer dude Jay Butler where you been bro we've been waiting on the herpes conversation but just for context guys he would every
04:16:47
Brian Atlasshow send in a message about always herpes he he's a doctor a guilty conscience say he's a urologist J Butler's a urologist anyways uh so you
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Brian Atlassaid 70 excuse me 75% of men in the scenario but I I do just want to I think the main point for me is that I am trying to change that initial bias that
04:17:09
Brian Atlasokay I don't know all men and I don't think have to believe that it's actually the opposite of what I think and that men don't want to attack us you know I hope that's true but when it keeps
04:17:21
Brian Atlashappening it it makes me lose Faith honestly so it's hard for me to believe when I'm constantly looking and even that's again that's why I'm here today to because I'm interested in people's
04:17:32
Brian Atlasopinions and thoughts but yeah so I would hope it's less but in my experience that unfortunately hasn't been the case and if we reverse the
04:17:42
Brian Atlasquestion mhm and we ask do you think a man would prefer to be stuck in the forest with a woman or a bear what would your answer be I hope they don't pick me
04:17:53
Brian Atlasnot you a random woman or a random bear which one do you think a man would choose they would probably depending on who they are their character their
04:18:03
Brian Atlasmorals they could choose a woman they could choose a bear I as long as it's not me I really don't care so which which one do you think they would choose
04:18:14
Brian Atlasdepends on the man okay generally speaking probably women they would probably choose a woman I would think typically women mhm yeah the bear women are terrifying no I'm just kidding I'm
04:18:26
Brian Atlasjust kidding they'd probably go with the woman I I'd say the women for companionship I think yeah yes it's the woman this is men we're talking about come on yeah definitely the woman come on now if my boyfriend answered the
04:18:38
Brian Atlasquestion he'd say he doesn't want to get me tooed okay here final thing going back to the 75% number that you gave and the 50% number that you gave uh
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Brian Atlasthere are 165 million men in the United States using your percentages uh are you prepared to say that in the United States over about 80 million men in the
04:19:01
Brian AtlasUnited States would be inclined to victimize a woman in the scenario and then for you are you prepared to say that 127 million men in the United States would be prepared to victimize a
04:19:14
Brian Atlaswoman in the scenario go ahead no I don't think so and that's my whole point is that I I truly believe that I'm creating a statistic in my mind because you want a specific answer but I'm
04:19:26
Brian Atlasreally can only answer based on my experience and can hope that it's less so I I think that would be wrong for me to say yes that many many men saying your intuition is telling you one thing your rational brain's telling you that's
04:19:38
Brian Atlasthat's what I'm saying I'm trying to be rational and not avoid like interaction with men like I'm not going to run away then if you were to rationalize so so you so now you you
04:19:50
Brian Atlashave like um this this intuitive battle my intuition tells me one thing my reason's telling me something which is pushing back against intuition which happens sometimes if you were to only
04:20:01
Brian Atlasuse your the rational absent the intuition which is really hard to untangle but assuming you were to only try to look at from from that perview would your answer change as to how many
04:20:12
Brian Atlasmen think would be prepared to do that no I think that I would want there to be more how do I say this I think the amount of assaults and
04:20:24
Brian Atlasthings like that are under reported anyway so I if we had more accurate numbers then I feel cuz I know the statistics about how many men and women
04:20:34
Brian Atlasare being hurt but I don't like I think it's and I know it's more likely people that they know it's so I think that's what makes makes me scared and not willing to trust men because it's not
04:20:46
Brian Atlasthe strangers it's it's yeah but you're going with a random guy yeah but if we're going with a random man then I don't know I I it's still so like you said I want to go rational and want to
04:20:58
Brian Atlasbelieve that men would want to step up and protect women cuz that's what but also there's no obligation to because I do believe in Free Will so if you do and do you think that um because this just
04:21:10
Brian Atlasso you know this answer is given a lot mhm where the they think the percentages are really high and it's based on that intuition that uh often it's under reported things like this uh but if you were a man in modernity and you heard
04:21:22
Brian Atlaswomen saying this that they believe that over 50% of men in the US population are in some way willing to assault him why the hell would you ever want to go around women exactly no I I totally agree and why would you ever in a
04:21:34
Brian Atlasmillion years want to ever go around women I think that's why this is kind of another topic but why it's kind of what I was saying earlier why men are so lost
04:21:43
Brian Atlasin the sauce right now I mean earlier we talked about what was it ex AG men being the predominant ones in in our society who take their lives and I think we've
04:21:54
Brian Atlasdone you know not a great job at navigating and and like I said kind of crucifying them and villainizing them to where it's too much to where they're now like what do I do even their instincts like do I do this this this and they're
04:22:07
Brian Atlasjust lost in their identity right now and that's you know a problem have any of you ever opened up the C citizens up and saw how many registered sex offenders live within proximity of you horrifying but because if we're going to
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Brian Atlastalk about lot of them are female teachers I'm not saying makes me that women do that it does so the I mean the so the thing is is like yeah there's not that many by
04:22:30
Brian Atlasthe way even if you even if you had within your proximity 100 people you don't really realize how many people are actually in your proximity probably there's probably more than the ones who are pictured because of under reported crimes yeah but even if that were true
04:22:42
Brian Atlasand you to double it it would still be a really tiny sample of that population but you agree that there's well I think more I think I think one is too many right but I'm still rational about this
04:22:54
Brian Atlasright so I'm saying even if there one is too many and I'd prefer that there wasn't even one within this proximity if there was 100 if you're living in the you know the middle of downtown Santa
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Brian AtlasBarbara that's a really low number but the chance is never zero well yeah it wouldn't be zero if there was none so I guess uh I do want to move it on to the next thing I still would just
04:23:16
Brian Atlaslike to pose the question one more time and I'll even use your lower number of 50% Isaiah fluk donated
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TTS/Donations$200 Andrew this seems like half of a panel of junkies and sex workers good luck because they are not able to logically think well I disagree I think I think that some people on the panel
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Brian Atlasactually in comparison to many of the panels have given reason arguments that I can at least engage with so I'm happy about that I think it's been a pretty fantastic P I think just except her cuz she's on a fing Journey but everybody
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Brian Atlaselse everybody else has been doing fantastic yes exactly I'll read this really quick uh John Green I don't know these men can understand what 50% or more are thinking how much do they know
04:24:02
Brian Atlasabout bears they are 100% looking for food John Green thank you for the Super Chat man really appreciate it but she's saying she's saying that she's saying her intuition doesn't match her reason so she's saying that they're in conflict
04:24:13
Brian Atlaswith each other yeah that happens all the time so so you're making a rationalization yeah and I think that's important I know I'm wrong but I still feel this way yeah and so that's a rationalization yeah and I don't think
04:24:25
Brian Atlasthat separating men and women and especially because I'm not straight so I can't I can't take away from that like most people are straight and love men
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Brian Atlaslove women and women love men so I don't I don't have the same like I don't need a man in my life ohler donated $200 than you man the cautionary tale of plastic surgery and
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TTS/DonationsTattoos sitting in front of brickson is clearly suffering the neurological damage of a genital herpes infection Joe speaks more Lucid than this creature uh did your mother ever love you sweetheart
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Brian Atlasnot would she be proud of the way you sit here and talk about women or any men you're really he's a urologist I mean would your father be proud of how you talked about men he was a I can't say
04:25:11
Brian Atlasthe word so yeah okay um goes back to there was a comment earlier about can you say this to your brothers and fathers and stuff and the
04:25:23
Brian Atlasones who do it yes okay well maybe his mom was it as well no that's what I'm saying we all are how we are for a reason we all have full lives and I want
04:25:33
Brian Atlasto not judge men based on my experiences yeah so Jay Butler thank you man really quick since he always likes to talk about Herpes really quick naturally so you're in the adult
04:25:45
Brian Atlasentertainment industry you do like traditional porn whatever my understanding is perhaps you can educate me a bit on this uh most people who are in the uh traditional porn industry on a short enough or even long enough time
04:25:58
Brian Atlasperiod will'll eventually get herpes General that's all the entire population that has nothing to do with strictly sex work it's you can I yeah no that is a
04:26:10
Brian Atlasstatistic you can look up outside of sex work the general population sure it's high in the general population huh yeah sure I people in the general population
04:26:20
Brian Atlascan get genital herpes it's not more so prevalent in sex work if anything it's less prevalent because they don't test for it they do not test for herpes yeah
04:26:30
Brian Atlasthe rates of all are higher well not on standard Panel test but sex workers who are responsible do get tested for it at least annually I'm not going to throw a
04:26:40
Brian Atlasgirl we've recently had on in one of her recent shows she was a sex worker young girl and uh somebody I'm again I'm not going to say her name just for privacy reasons somebody dm'd me and said yo
04:26:53
Brian Atlasshe's bullshitting the whole time like she she goes to set with like active GLE herpes outbreaks see those are the kind of people that are endangering our community and I can
04:27:04
Brian Atlaswholeheartedly say that not everyone belongs in this not there's a lot of uneducated people who are uneducated
04:27:12
Brian Atlason incubation times testing consent so many different concepts of sex work but if I was on the on the topic of STDs sex
04:27:24
Brian Atlasworkers are probably more cleanly than the general public who gets tested once a year I mean I find it dubious though when it comes to herpes the STD rates among sex workers much higher than the
04:27:34
Brian Atlasgeneral public across the board so everyone here gets tested every month it wouldn't matter because it what if you H I'll explain it's due to risk assessment right so there's certain
04:27:46
Brian Atlaspopulations which are at higher risk than other populations even in the I haven't popped you got let me finish so I can answer your question go ahead okay so like homosexual males for instance are going to be at a higher rate than
04:27:58
Brian Atlasother populations for the risk of STDs for an increase in STDs because there can be tearing and blood transfusions that yes but also because there's a different rate of promiscuity in partner swap then compared to the general
04:28:11
Brian Atlaspopulation so this same exact logic would apply inside of sex work so inside of sex work your job is to have sex most people's
04:28:21
Brian Atlasjob is not to have sex and so since most people's job is to not have sex their risk generally speaking is going to be way lower than a person whose job is to
04:28:31
Brian AtlasI since being in this industry professionally have never contracted anything I have only contracted stuff before sex work when I wasn't completely in the industry because it was all
04:28:42
Brian Atlaspromiscuous sex and no one's [ __ ] getting I as a person who was never in sex never contracted anything the same argument that's fine you you're married your risk is probably lower it's married it's never zero right but married people
04:28:56
Brian Atlasshould still every now and then get tested because how can you be certain that your I'm not saying your partner is but how can you be certain that your partner has only slept with you that is ignorance I
04:29:08
Brian Atlasdo have to move it on I do have to move it on uh warlord said to the lady in readed lights camera action I'm sorry that your father figure has tainted the picture you have of what a man is if you listen to Andrew carefully you'll know
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Brian Atlasthat he is right okay thank you warlord 69 ooo [ __ ] okay all right thank you all right okay I've experienced hundreds
04:29:30
Brian Atlasof men and I think I can make an educated assessment of what I like and don't like all right uh a couple rapid fire questions here we'll try to get through through them quick uh no our men
04:29:42
Brian Atlasor women physically stronger starting with you with Evolution men okay I say men I'll say men too generally men there are
04:29:53
Brian Atlasexceptions there's a strong women and weak men too men biology men evolutionary men okay just checking uh who is the primary victim of war men or
04:30:04
Brian Atlaswomen the people of the country the war is in uh well so the question is though men or women men or women why do one matter more than the other when it comes
04:30:16
Brian Atlasto war and everyone you say both both that's what I said so so you think that both men women children so equal they're equally okay I think it depends on how you look
04:30:27
Brian Atlasat it too like you could say if you're thinking about creating more life for the world to continue that it would be women because they need you
04:30:36
Brian Atlasneed oh because you need men um to have children in the first place um but I would ALS you could also say men because they're actually fighting the wars and
04:30:47
Brian AtlasPTSD is a huge thing and yeah there was actually a stud just one point of clarification you said you could say women because you need women to because
04:30:57
Brian Atlasyou need men to procreate so if we're talking about war as in killing people unless your population having less
04:31:06
Brian Atlaspeople then I would say women would suffer because there's not you see what the argument I'm trying to have it's just a side thought but oh whatever okay
04:31:16
Brian Atlasbut then I I would say men if you're thinking about just fighting in war like so they're just primary overall yeah overall I would guess say men okay yeah
04:31:26
Alex Kaneit doesn't yeah um I guess I would say both honestly but I mean I know this is an option but I think the people that like you know pass away in said war
04:31:36
Alex Kaneprobably like the most of the victim but there's obviously other victims too so both but you think the the primary victims would be the people who are fighting and dying in the war I think anyone that's dying due to the war like
04:31:48
Brian Atlasnot necessarily you don't have to be fighting to die in said war so if you were to take take both sexes would you would you say that Wars have an equal conditional standard on both or one
04:31:58
Alex Kanesuffers more than the other I mean I think that everyone suffers when it's War you know like I think war is just bad honestly well then then actually just so you know there's no actual way
04:32:10
Brian Atlasto conceptualize any other answer then either they suffer the same or one suffers more there there actually can't be any other answer you can't like could could you even think of another answer
04:32:22
Brian Atlasthat could be then either both of them suffer the same or one suffers more than the other could there even be another one I think the other the other my answer is that whoever is affected by violence directly that would be one of the others but that but that's what I'm
04:32:35
Brian Atlassaying is it's not it might be men who are fighting but if you're fighting in a town where women live and they are also getting essay and and next to a bomb that blows up and they're not part of it but they just were affect like or who's
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Brian Atlasmaybe the woman's madly in love with their husband and he just died in front of her that's going to affect her honestly maybe worse cuz he's not alive to remember it she has to live with it the rest of her life so anyone regardless of gender that's directly affected by the violence of war is going to be affected whether they were
04:33:01
Brian Atlasparticipating or not so it's still going to be one or the other primarily men because they're mostly fighting but we we fight in areas where women and children live so they're very I totally agree so I totally agree that men fight in areas where there women and children
04:33:13
Brian Atlasabsolutely but I'm just saying that I can't logically think of an answer other than it's either they suffer equally or one suffers more than the other I I I if they're both affected by the violence like you might not be perpetuating
04:33:26
Brian Atlasviolence but if you live around it you're going to be affected equally as someone who's participating witnessing people die around you it's going to affect you for life so you think yeah I think it's equal anyone who's seeing the
04:33:37
Brian Atlasviolence is affected gotcha I'm going to say man and back to the bear thing if you know how you asked if it was would you expect a man to save you from a bear coming out charging after you I'm going to say hell yes I
04:33:49
Brian Atlaswould I ain't too proud of B like I'm a tough [ __ ] but yes this goes into men like stepping up step up men but also accept us flirting with other men while we're in a monogamous
04:34:02
Brian Atlasromantic relationship totally arbitrary what does one have to the other does this have to do with the Curr I'm a tough [ __ ] I'm strong I'm in control but but the bear
04:34:13
Brian Atlasis coming out my ass like I said I Ain't to Proud of B I love a man around to help out with I'm in Acts of service love language gal I'm I'm down for a man to be around and can you just use your
04:34:23
Brian Atlasgoddess energy always that too it's the yin and the Yang that's what people don't get right it's so I talk about binary earlier I don't know why you probably think your wife is a goddess
04:34:34
Brian Atlaswhy are you mocking it I don't that would be blasphemy oh okay well definitely don't wouldn't wouldn't say my wife's a goddess or
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Brian Atlasor any woman a goddess Insanity okay um I have no problem with traditional gender Norms right men being strong sry interrup you've totally derailed the
04:34:55
Brian Atlasconversation I was getting to it no you weren't you've totally derailed the yeah so which talking about oh your godess energy flirty it's all power
04:35:06
Brian Atlasright and so you have it men have to be this way to be powerful women to thisen have to be this way to you have to stop talking you missed the point you're in your in the
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Brian Atlasboxes I just told you you've just derailed the conversation I didn't it's all part of the same thing you when I talked about the bear coming after me you're like oh flirting it a monog also do you got are you asexual you find
04:35:30
Brian Atlasother people attractive you flirt it's human does that have to do with anything you brought it into this cuz you're like oh anous relationship flirting I said something about it like it's so arbitrary what does one have to do with the other but it's also that you guys
04:35:42
Brian Atlaskeep going after that do you not want to out are you just not listening to what I'm saying at all I we moved on from the be conversation we were going around the table asking all the panelists the reason I said men I said men stepping up
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Brian Atlasand in war right men being in combat being in battle that goes back to my original thing of why I said men it's not confusing like no I don't
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Brian Atlasthink so right he look confused you weren't well that's so from his persp perspective it's because he's just looking for the direct answer and then because usually on the second round of the question then we can get into the
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Briannaqualifiers okay you see what I'm saying enough yeah um I'd say those direct uh directly affected by the violence whether it be men or women you I'm sorry it's what oh the
04:36:31
Brian Atlasquestion was so the question is who's the primary victim of War you have to choose one men or women choose what um men if they're primarily fighting men are the victims of war more
04:36:42
Brian Atlasokay so I don't were there anybody say women yeah well there's a lot of 50-50s yeah a woman's witnessing war and you watch someone explode in front of your very eyes that's going to change your
04:36:55
Brian Atlaslife in a horrible way even if you're not a part of it watching humans die is but would it be would it be worse for you to be the person who exploded or the person watching the person explode personally I think I'd rather be the one that exploded because I don't have to
04:37:08
Brian Atlaswake up every day and live with that traumatic memory that's so then let me ask especially watching children die it's hard to keep going do you have do you have loved ones whove passed I I mean yeah I do I don't I haven't
04:37:20
Brian Atlasexperienced like a life partner or a sibling or a parent dying yet actually so but you do you do recognize that um every single day tens of thousands of
04:37:31
Brian Atlaspeople have people who are close to them pass away and that they can recover from that and they do most often recover from that yes but someone dying in their
04:37:41
Brian Atlassleep is different than lit there watching some gut have you ever seen have you ever seen someone die I've only seen like Gore images on the internet that have actually in I I haven't
04:37:54
Brian Atlaswatched some I have seen dead bodies but I haven't watched someone die in front of me just to be so okay you said if somebody passes away in their sleep so that happens but so I was in hospice care when my grandma passed away now it
04:38:07
Brian Atlaswas sort of essentially death of by old age right uh it was actually extremely brutal even under the care of a doctor to see my
04:38:18
Brian Atlasgrandmother go through the actual process of death yeah I'm sure it's it's ugly it's not it not pretty my first time ever seeing that MH but I mean that
04:38:29
Brian Atlasis not like a sort of uh at least compared to if you're uh violently attacked or you're in a car crash that is the way a lot of people die is
04:38:40
Brian Atlasthey're in hospice care they just kind of pass away end of life uh even under these circumstances where you're under the care of a medical
04:38:49
Brian AtlasProf professional it's not a pretty thing oh I I completely sympathize with you I think uh watching anyone you love die whether it's graphic or not just watching them kind of slowly lose their
04:39:02
Brian Atlasspirit and kind of not be the same bright light they were like of course that's awful and even if they made it to old age and they had a full fulfilling life anyone you love no longer being is going to be hard that is very different
04:39:13
Brian Atlasthan watching a small child blow up bomb that's going to traumatize you in a whole other way hospice example that I provided with my own Grandma it's not
04:39:23
Brian Atlaslike how it's portrayed in the movies where they're like they're totally um uh lucid and then they just kind of close
04:39:31
Brian Atlastheir eyes and they go away like it's they are like fighting and it's like disturbing and it's it's heavy I bet and
04:39:42
Brian Atlasyou like you see the eyes glaze over they're still alive though they're still trying to breathe uh it's it's frankly disturbing I'm sure it is but that's what you're saying is you're already
04:39:53
Brian Atlasadmitting that that affected you so imagine watching hundreds of people die like even more violently that's that's going to affect you even more you can already but you understand potentials so if we're fatalities Brian
04:40:06
Brian Atlaswas it fatalities or just primary victims however you think of victim yeah so but think about potentials so back to non- intuition just reason for a second yeah if you're thinking about the
04:40:18
Brian Atlaspotential you would agree with me that if somebody's Dead all potential is gone true yeah all potential is gone yeah however if somebody is alive and they experience tons of trauma there's a good
04:40:30
Brian Atlaspotential even a good potential that they can recover and move past that trauma yeah it's it's true that's what makes me want to keep going in life I can keep so if that is true right then wouldn't you agree with me that the
04:40:42
Brian Atlasperson being exploded it's still better to not be that person you're you're probably right honestly like you you probably are and I I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you either I'm just
04:40:52
Brian Atlassaying like would I rather like watch my wife die or die first like I would I'd feel less upset
04:41:04
Brian Atlasme dying first however the thought of her having to watch me die actually is also bad like you know what I mean like I but the potential exist hard to answer IAL exist and sure I'm going to Grant
04:41:14
Brian AtlasI'm going to like Grant a couple things immediately I 100% believe you that you would prefer to die instead of a loved
04:41:23
Brian Atlasone I totally agree with that okay however I would need you to concede back though that if a loved one close to you does die that you still have potential to move past that scenario true and
04:41:36
Brian Atlasthat's the beautiful thing about life yeah so if if we're conceding that that is true then it seems to me that the potential itself of being able to recover is superior to death you know you're right actually you this is a
04:41:47
Brian Atlasgreat example of you kind of making me think a little bit and you're right I am kind of changing my perspective I think you're right you still do have that potential if you're still alive to keep going you're right um but it's also it's
04:41:59
Brian Atlasconflicting because I wouldn't wish Liza to live a life they're not but they're not exclusive Reas the reason we're having a better conversation just so you know I tend to match energy with people so people are super combative I'm super
04:42:11
Brian Atlascombative if they're cool and they're relaxed I'm cool and relaxed no you've kind of made me think different like you're right cuz if I had a baby would I want my baby to grow up with no Mom no but if it had to choose between me and the baby I would want the baby to live
04:42:24
Brian Atlasand i' die cuz they have the potential to so that's completely that totally makes sense right so I would think most honorable people would say that they would want to
04:42:35
Brian Atlasinstead so I think if if um my brother was in a war yeah that if if my dad had a crystal ball and knew he was going to step on a landmine that he would want to
04:42:46
Brian Atlastrade places with him right however if my brother did die in the war right I think that my father has the potential to over time either not necessarily heal
04:42:56
Brian Atlascompletely from that trauma but at least be able to cope with it over an elongated period of time so if that's true then you'd have to concede that men have to be the primary victim of War if they're the ones who are mostly dying you're right if they're the ones that
04:43:09
Brian Atlasare mostly dying that's true um I do think that when other countries are invaded often times civilians are equally attacked a lot of the times and in those situations there's plenty of women that die but you're right
04:43:20
Brian Atlaswhoever's primarily AG whoever is primarily losing their life is The Biggest Loser right got it so I guess overall most be men but kill Village and kill all the women and anday all the women in that Village I think they're
04:43:33
Brian Atlasequal victim I think I think that's true but I just want I just want to kind of go back though right that in almost every war that I'm aware of right I'm sure that there's some outliers where women and children bore
04:43:45
Brian Atlasthe brunt more than the men did but every war that I'm aware of there was far more male deaths combined with civilian and Soldier deaths yeah and if that's like and again cuz I don't know the stats if the stats you're giving me are true and I believe you then yeah
04:43:58
Brian Atlasyou're right men are a bigger Victim Because losing your life you don't have a chance after that you don't have a chance and I I I agree with that does that make sense to you but I'm just it makes sense however there is no perfect victim and the people who die their
04:44:10
Brian Atlassuffering ends there the after effects of War famine homes gone people starving to death they are a continued victim though
04:44:20
Brian Atlasthe people who died were a victim in their death but they are dead gone no longer suffering the people who remain after the war have to deal with the repercussions of the war for the rest of
04:44:33
Brian Atlastheir lives even if they are able to get over it totally agree but backing up let me ask the same same question to you do you agree that people if they're dead
04:44:43
Brian Atlashave zero potential of recovering from traumas if they're dead yeah okay so if they're alive they do have the potential to recover from the trauma the potential is there but people do recover from
04:44:56
Brian Atlastrauma let's say everyone I just want to say that the CH let's give it the worst possible chance it's 1% let's say right it's the worst possible chance ever that
04:45:07
Brian Atlasthey will recover maybe only one person in 100,000 recover isn't that still a better potential than being dead yes
04:45:17
Brian Atlaspersonally if I watched my entire family die in front of me if I watched my children be blown to shreds take me with them because I don't want to right you would and I think I agree with you you
04:45:29
Brian Atlaswould totally feel that way right then but do you agree that the potential exists that that over that over an elongated enough period of time through grief counseling and whatever else was
04:45:40
Brian Atlasavailable that you might be able to psychologically reconcile and move past or at least deal with that event the potential is there yes that's it that's
04:45:50
Brian Atlasit that's all we need so if the potential is there if it's just there then I don't see how you could say that you could be the primary victim over the dead that's my point the
04:46:02
Brian Atlaspotential is there doesn't mean you're not going to starve to death from famine doesn't mean you're not going to watch more people of your family slowly die then the potential is not there so if they're dead the potential you're you're
04:46:14
Brian Atlasremoving the thing which we're arguing over which is the potential so if you say they're dead I that's why there is no perfect victim the people who die fighting in the Warr
04:46:25
Brian Atlasperfect victim there's no way for someone to be a victim perfectly enough for everyone yeah yeah we're not saying that perfectly enough for every I'm saying all of them are victims saying all of them VI someone has the potential