Andrew Wilson vs. SUPER Feminists! Misandrist? She HATES Brian?! 300+ Body Count? | Dating Talk #183
Date: 2024-07-31
Duration: 8h 41m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Taylor Furber(guest)
SPEAKER_04Richard (audience)(audience)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Brianna(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alex Kane(guest)
SPEAKER_11Delaney(guest)
SPEAKER_12TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_13Liza(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:49
IntroLuna Baby introduces herself: 30, Vegas, social media and porn. Adult industry 10 years.
“hello I'm Luna baby I am 30 um I currently live in Vegas grew up in LA and my occupation I do social media and porn”
00:06:32
IntroLiza introduces herself: 28, Isla Vista from Chicago, singer-songwriter. Sings original song chorus.
“hi I'm Liza I'm 28 I live in Isa Vista but I just moved from Chicago um I'm a singer songwriter”
00:09:19
IntroAlex Kane introduces herself: 22, Las Vegas, adult film.
“Kane I'm 22 I live in Las Vegas and I do adult film”
00:09:43
IntroDelaney introduces herself: 27, Santa Barbara, former property manager, entering medical industry.
“I'm Delaney I'm 27 and I am uh been in Santa Barbara the last 10 years I'm originally from San Diego”
00:10:53
IntroTaylor Furber introduces herself: 33, Nashville, red carpet reporter, podcast host Talk to Me Taylor.
“hi everybody I'm Taylor furber 33 the grandma on this... I am uh formerly in La I'm in Nashville now I was a red carpet reporter”
00:11:26
IntroBrianna introduces herself: 21, UCSB, psych and brain sciences, from Riverside.
“hi everyone my name is Brianna I'm 21 I'm originally from Riverside but now I'm here”
00:13:08
IntroLayla introduces: 30, Northern Arizona, off-grid glamping PM, No Agenda EP.
“I'm laa I'm 30 I'm from Northern Arizona and I'm a property manager for off-grid glamour camping airbnbs”
00:13:26
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst, debate university creator.
“my name is Andrew Wilson the host of The Crucible the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube”
01:33:42
ControversyLiza expresses fear over Project 2025 and reciprocal IVF rights; she and Delaney considered leaving the US.
“especially as someone who wants to have children through reciprocal IVF which is specifically detailed in that document”
01:49:05
OtherLiza reveals she has had two abortions; emotional disclosure about wanting to be a mother.
“I had to have an abortion because of the situation I was in as a teenager being abused and being threatened with homelessness”
02:03:54
OtherDelaney discloses past sex work/escorting during relationship with Liza; Liza supported her through it.
“I used to be a sex worker um and I was a sex worker that involved sleeping with um men um and Liza was we were in a relationship for a period during that time”
02:56:33
ControversyAndrew Wilson presents force doctrine argument: men could remove women's rights by force if they chose.
“if men collectively said that you couldn't do that you couldn't do that right at this point I mean if they imprisoned me for it”
03:07:07
OtherSelf-ratings round begins: Brian asks everyone to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7).
“going around the table starting with you rate your looks on scale of 1 to 10 can't pick seven”
03:35:30
ControversyLiza and Delaney confront Brian about being combative/misogynist; Brian defends his hosting approach.
“I just found somebody who's not very respectful of women”
03:57:27
OtherBear or man question posed. Liza and Delaney both choose bear due to personal trauma with men.
“would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or random bear starting with you go ahead”
05:29:00
TopicLiza/Delaney mini-departure moment after political debate gets too heated; Brian redirects to other guests.
“we'd be happy to host an actual debate on it but um thank you so... we need to move it on”
05:55:18
OtherDelaney reveals she was previously a sex worker/escort and did OnlyFans to pay bills for a year.
“it did pay all my bills for a year it paid my fiance's bills it made my dreams come true I mean I don't regret what I did”
06:17:29
QuoteBody counts revealed: Luna says ~200-300; Alex Kane says over 1,000.
“my body count if you really want to know yeah I probably past a couple hundred couple hundred okay like 200-300”
06:19:04
QuoteAlex Kane states body count over 1,000.
“over 1,000 I love dick I love being a slut”
06:40:03
QuoteLuna defends body count double standard; argues critics are the same people consuming her content.
“who cares like it's back to the double standard fine... the same people who want to devalue me and people in my industry are the same people consuming it”
07:55:21
QuoteTaylor Furber explains her power game with male friends: challenges them to grab her ass by end of dinner.
“I will put it on the table and be like okay you know I Dare You by the time we leave this restaurant like grab my butt”
Topics Discussed
00:00:15
Show open / announcements / debate university promo
Brian opens show, channel announcements, promotes debateuniversity.com verbal combat course with Andrew Wilson.
00:05:41
Guest introductions
All 7 guests + Andrew introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Luna Baby sings; Alex Kane intro; Delaney; Taylor Furber; Brianna; Layla; Andrew Wilson.
00:14:20
World War I/II trivia round
Brian asks panel to name WWI/WWII years and Allied/Axis powers. Mixed results.
00:18:18
Relationship status round
Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, and single period. Includes discussion of dating civilians while in adult film industry (Luna, Alex Kane). Liza reveals engagement to Delaney; Brianna reveals virgin status.
00:51:07
Feminist / patriarchy debate
Extended debate on feminism definition, dismantling patriarchy/whiteness, male vs female rights. Liza and Delaney as primary feminist advocates vs Andrew Wilson debating. Topics: DEI, meritocracy, Kamala Harris, female representation, women's suffrage.
01:30:00
Bodily autonomy: abortion vs military draft
Andrew Wilson debates bodily autonomy — abortion rights vs Selective Service (draft) registration. Liza/Delaney argue pro-choice; Andrew argues draft is equivalent bodily autonomy restriction. Both agree draft should be equal or abolished.
01:33:42
Project 2025 / US freedom debate
Liza and Delaney express concerns about Project 2025 (reciprocal IVF referenced). Andrew Wilson argues US is the freest country. Discussion on LGBTQ rights, abortion policy.
01:40:30
Reparations / dismantling whiteness discussion
Brian asks who owes reparations. Liza/Delaney on dismantling whiteness systems. DEI debate, Japan immigration analogy, Israel mentioned.
01:45:00
Abortion personal stories
Personal disclosures about abortion experiences from multiple guests. Discussion on trauma, shame, lack of aftercare, pro-choice vs pro-life. Religious debate on when life begins.
02:06:54
Suicide / euthanasia discussion
Discussion stems from bodily autonomy debate. Liza's position on allowing adult children to make end-of-life decisions. Growing up Jehovah's Witness reference.
02:19:03
Male suicide rate statistics
TTS brings up men dying by suicide at 3.85x rate of women (CDC stat). Brief panel discussion on why men commit suicide at higher rates.
03:07:07
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)
Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Then asks what 1,000 men would rate them. Comparison to Pamela Anderson in her peak.
03:10:10
Will you be better-looking in 10-20-30 years? debate
Discussion on aging, Botox, breast implants, wrinkles. Most women say yes (in different ways). Andrew challenges with logic about magic wand aging.
03:57:27
Bear or man survival scenario
Standard Whatever question: stuck in woods alone with random man or random bear. Liza and Delaney choose bear (due to trauma with men). Others split. Extended debate on male victimization risk statistics, force doctrine, women's self-sufficiency.
04:43:06
Victimhood hierarchy debate
Discussion on whether victimization can be compared/ranked. Convenience store robbery scenario vs assault example. Liza argues no perfect victim; Andrew argues levels of victimization exist.
04:52:18
Ukraine war / men barred from leaving
Andrew uses Ukraine war example: men 18-60 barred from leaving country, women could flee. Discussion on who is more victimized in war.
05:05:00
Women's self-sufficiency without men debate
Andrew Wilson argues women need men (force doctrine). Liza argues she needs tools not men. Discussion on infrastructure, construction, physical strength differences, fire making.
05:12:00
Force doctrine / physical power dynamic
Andrew Wilson presents force doctrine argument: men's physical dominance means women's rights are ultimately granted by men. Feminist guests dispute.
06:17:29
Body count debate / double standard
Body count revealed (Luna ~200-300, Alex Kane 1000+). Debate on double standard for promiscuous women vs men. STD testing practices among sex workers discussed.
06:18:00
Sex worker debate: porn addiction / industry criticism
Luna and Alex Kane defend porn industry. Andrew analogizes porn criticism to tobacco company criticism by addicts. Discussion of PornHub safety improvements, CP concerns.
07:55:21
Taylor's relationship dynamic / monogamy philosophy
Taylor Furber describes her unconventional relationship approach: flirting with male friends, issuing 'ass-grab challenges' as power play. Partner is twice her age, non-possessive. Brian and Andrew challenge the logic.
Transcript
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01:54:14
Brian Atlashold on I would fight till the end to make sure that's not cuz I completely disagree with that for men men should not have to be I completely agree I'll fight the in that so first off you men would protect you I I Shifting the goal
01:54:27
Brian Atlaspoost yeah first off you haven't I don't need men to protect me I've protected myself actually you do need men to protect you really from who other men because I I can't tell you how many times protect need men to protect you
01:54:41
Brian Atlasyou need them to protect you I don't need you guys to protect me can you stop interrupting you got to allow people to actually I yeah I'm I'm talk I'm done you you need to allow people to actually speak instead of just constant
01:54:53
Brian Atlasinterrupting them it's very simple we let you talk okay so two things first you absolutely do need men to protect you this may be by proxy either through
01:55:03
Brian Atlasthe military or through Law Enforcement Officers I'm assuming if somebody you know were to be murdered you would not just protect yourself you would not investigate it yourself you would appeal
01:55:15
Brian Atlasto who primarily men who are in law enforcement I'm assuming unless you just if someone you know who got murdered you'd hope it wasn't investig I would appeal to law enforcement as a whole not to specifically men in law
01:55:27
Brian Atlasenforcement quite honest with you if I I mean I don't personally own a gun maybe I will one day I don't know I I don't really feel strongly either way at this moment in time about it but I can tell you if I need protection if I own a gun
01:55:38
Brian AtlasI don't need your your muscles I'm actually I I can handle it I don't need I just need I here's the thing I need tools I don't need men I need tools and
01:55:48
Brian AtlasMen hoard all the tools and resources so I have to ask you guys for those tools I can use them myself I know how to use them stopping women from building guns no that's not what I said like you're
01:56:00
Brian Atlasyou're taking it literally cuz you can't look at the bigger picture I'm saying that like I have always been in a position in every job I've been in school everywhere is that there's a a
01:56:11
Brian Atlasman who's in power over me that I have to go to to get to get uh better I have to go to to get the promotion I have to go to to convince WR I have the tools
01:56:23
Brian Atlasask you for them you need to stop because you're not allowing me to go Point by point on this now you're talking about promotions and stuff let's go back to the draft so you made two claims there you made the claim that
01:56:35
Brian Atlaswell if I was in your position I would Advocate that men not not be drafted so let's talk about that okay so I know you live in like uh fairy tale land where in
01:56:47
Brian Atlasyour world military conflict would never exist even if women hold very even if hold on hold on let me finish let me finish in the same way you're you're strong
01:56:58
Brian Atlasokay in your fairy tale world even if women were had all the power held all positions of power perhaps you think that there would not be any military conflicts I think this is wrong this
01:57:09
Brian Atlasthere would still be military conflicts regardless so you're saying that you would Advocate that the draft there should be no draft period yes yes what I'm advocating for because you're right in anyone's idilic
01:57:22
Brian AtlasWorld there wouldn't who wants war no one wants War so in my idic War there wouldn't be War sure but I know war is a necessity I'm very aware of that I'm not I'm not saying that we can't survive without War but I'm saying that the people who participate in that war
01:57:36
Brian Atlasshould be able to choose whether they're men or woman that's it if I have a son I don't want to know that he's going to be taken against his own will like I feel strongly about protecting my sons equally as my daughters but if I were to tell you it would just it's almost a
01:57:48
Brian Atlaswaste of time to have a conversation of trying to get rid of the draft because the government will never relinquish its ability to call upon its citizenry in a
01:57:59
Brian Atlassituation or scenario where the country needs to essentially Force its citizenry into the defense of the nation the government whether you're a Democrat or
01:58:10
Brian AtlasRepublican will never relinquish this power yeah so assuming that you can agree that there's no scenario will the where the draft will never exist you're right in the society
01:58:23
Brian Atlasthat we've built that's why I'm saying is a lot of [ __ ] in the society needs to be dismantled dude because it do doesn't work is the only way that we can work there's many conflict is never going to go away you're right it's not but
01:58:35
Brian Atlasthere's different ways to go about it is my point and do I have all the answers no but is the way we're doing it currently satisfying everyone no we need to do something different that's what I'm saying we need and and that's what is the issue here is I love this country
01:58:48
Brian Atlasbecause and I want to make it better I'm not talking [ __ ] about this country I'm saying there's flaws with it and I want to help improve it okay but so you're saying I would I would advocate for you guys but you guys won't advocate for me
01:58:59
Brian Atlasso again I'll say it again there's no scenario where the government is going to relinquish their right to draft the citizenry so then wouldn't you agree that perhaps in this situation women
01:59:10
Brian Atlasshould also be subject to military cons 100% it needs to be equal either way either everyone gets to choose or no one gets to choose that's what I'm
01:59:19
Brian Atlassaying but would be 100 Years of equality when it comes to voting women still are not obliged to be subject to
01:59:29
Brian Atlasmilitary conscription and so because of this that is a that is precisely one example in which men don't have bodily autonomy so you're not actually addressing my argument here you're just
01:59:41
Brian Atlassaying well I would Advocate that men should not be drafted but I'm telling you currently as a rebuttal to your uh as a rebuttal to your point of men don't
01:59:52
Brian Atlashave bodily autonomy it's actually quite the opposite what about we know mental health sucks in this country for everyone men women children doesn't matter who you are but when the military
02:00:04
Brian Atlasdoes drafts I know they don't take people with bipolar BPD all these other other mental illnesses so if we're going to like compare the two between abortion rights and being drafted for the
02:00:16
Brian Atlasmilitary what about women who have severe mental deficits who struggle to live dayto day who necessarily in the drafts wouldn't be drafted but are still
02:00:27
Brian Atlasforced to carry a child that they mentally or physically are incapable of caring for completely I'm not sure I entirely
02:00:38
Brian Atlasfollow I mean I would assume that if you have some severe mental incapacity whether you're a man or a woman this would preclude you from volunteer service and a draft even in so that
02:00:50
Brian Atlasthey're they're protected in that sense but I mean women when it comes to abortion rights right people who suffer from bipolar all these
02:01:01
Brian Atlasmental [ __ ] ill I'm sorry illnesses that make it not only hard to function as like a day-to-day person but as a full parent who is responsible for
02:01:13
Brian Atlasanother living being why would they be forced to carry that child to to term if they found out they were pregnant later so so just to summarize this make sure
02:01:24
Brian AtlasI'm not strawmanning this what you're saying is yes okay this is true uh men lose their autonomy this way and women lose their autonomy this way but the exemptions that men get is that if they have mental health issues they they
02:01:36
Brian Atlasthey're they don't have to be go into military service but women if they have mental health issues would still have to bear the child so this is not fair is what you're saying yeah it's not fair now at least I understand so that I do
02:01:49
Brian Atlashave this down correctly right okay so what I would say to this is okay fair enough but you do realize that draft standards how they how they're set are actually designed to be lowered
02:02:00
Brian Atlasinstantly by necessity yeah I'm sure if they need they're going like oh he's a little [ __ ] up yeah he's a little [ __ ] up in fact they they they will lower the IQ standard significantly
02:02:12
Brian Atlasright they'll lower all standards across the board yeah they just need bodies and so now your your BPD this and that oh you got some medication that'll help you with that get your ass to the front lines so essentially these things will
02:02:24
Brian Atlasbe removed via necessity so it's not a disqualifier from you getting drafted even withal illness like in a perfect world yeah but not completely but they
02:02:34
Brian Atlasdon't have that standard for pregnant women I do I I mean I have really quickly one thing on this and I'll pass it back to Andrew um so when it comes to the draft that be you'd be forced to do that by the government the government
02:02:47
Brian Atlasisn't forcing you to have sex to have sex no but sex is a natural and healthy thing no one's forcing you no one's forcing you but there is a bit of a differentiation
02:02:59
Brian Atlasthere that's all my piece though it's human nature I I feel like on the topic of sex I feel like people have made sex such a taboo subject when all that
02:03:09
Brian Atlasmatters is communication and consent and if everyone's behaving and having sex in a healthy way everyone's getting tested properly they're communicating what they
02:03:20
Brian Atlashave if they have anything what Partners they've had I don't I don't feel like sex is something that people should be ashamed yeah but I'm not sure how sex being natural uh negates the fact that
02:03:32
Brian Atlasit's a choice whereas conscription would not be and pregnancy usually is an entailment of choice so women who carry pregnancies via SAS for instance those
02:03:43
Brian Atlasare outliers those are rare right uh most pregnancies are not it does I'm not disputing it I'm just saying that it that's not the vast overwhelming
02:03:53
Brian Atlasmajority not even close uh so taking this into consideration even if they were to make the essay exemption oh you were essed fine then you can have the abortion and those exemptions do exist
02:04:05
Brian Atlasthe exemption on the draft there's still no choice whereas the sex is a choice which leads to the to the pregnancy well I think the problem is the people them
02:04:16
Brian Atlasuh I think the problem isn't the people it's the government who wants to tell us what to do you have to go in the draft I have to have this baby I think that in
02:04:27
Brian Atlasitself is what's wrong not the fact that oh men have these Privileges and men have this and that the government set that up not each individual person we
02:04:37
Brian Atlasare merely here existing in this country based off we've what we've been taught and told and learned through thousands of years but you have
02:04:48
Brian Atlasa representative government so they're representing the will of you that's isn't that what the point is but are they really representing every single person in this country well I mean but that would be in the realm of
02:05:01
Brian Atlasimpossibility regardless of the government archetype you have that's why I feel every person should have the right to choose what they want to do with their person obviously murder is
02:05:11
Brian Atlaswrong you can't do something else something to someone else that's you know Murder you're killing them uh not respecting boundaries consent all this do you mind if I test this test this
02:05:23
Brian Atlaslogic real quick yeah so you have kids MH okay so uh your kid is an adult when when they reach an adult stage they should be able to do what they want
02:05:34
Brian Atlasright pertaining to themselves yes pertaining to themselves so your kid runs into your room pulls out a heater puts it up to their head and says this is it Mom I'm doing it and I'm an adult
02:05:47
Brian Atlasare you going to let her I mean at that point that's someone you would need to get help for I don't think any any logical person who isn't going
02:05:58
Brian Atlasthrough something that goes back to mental health mental health is [ __ ] wait a sec wait a second so they so not everybody should have the right to do whatever they want then he has the right
02:06:09
Brian Atlasso then why would you try to stop them because I love them right so wait so your love for them you would interject and take that right away from them right out of love for them I would offer them
02:06:22
Brian Atlashelp yeah okay you would offer them help by not letting them do that first you would do whatever you could so that they put that heater down and didn't do it right then right that's exactly what Christians are trying to do for you but
02:06:34
Brian Atlasthat's your opinion that's your on that topic on that topic you need a smoke breaker got take a smoke bre can I touch that back on that topic because as someone who grew up in religion and a
02:06:45
Brian Atlastoxic toxic you did I did I I grew up at Jehovah's Witness so wow I grew up in a cult so I did not celebrate my birthday
02:06:53
Brian AtlasChristmas nothing for my the majority of my childhood and the man who damn near
02:07:00
Brian Atlasbeat my mother into submission to join him in this cult Justified his actions
02:07:09
Brian Atlastowards his family with the Bible I know I can't you guys mentioned we can't say the word on here but starts with a yeah yeah I got to move it I got to move it on but that's fine all right the beacon
02:07:22
Brian Atlasto the panel point point to a heteronormative cisgendered white male of privilege who ow Society reparations don't read this part this I didn't get to read it what happened just a hav z let's read
02:07:36
Brian Atlasthe rest
02:07:41
Brian AtlasW I guess I guess I guess that's the big here I guess that's a question I ow the reparations is that it I theoretically I don't believe in reparations wait can
02:07:52
Brian Atlasyou pop it back up no oh it's one he said don't read this part and we didn't read it I'm confused fair enough fair enough he put it out there though they put it out there you know what is
02:08:04
Brian Atlasinteresting though about the abortion debate is like how dudes aren't brought in it's always like if a woman gets pres it was your choice to have sex da d da and it's like bro is this mother Mary Immaculate Conception like it takes to to tango so I feel like we need to bring guys in
02:08:18
Brian Atlasmore decision making and he stuck his penis into her and ejaculate now she's pregnant very much involved
02:08:28
Brian Atlasbring yeah but like how bring him inate right no I'm I'm saying he's part of it but she says bring him in I'm asking how I think conversations like this debates
02:08:39
Brian Atlaslike this instead of it being among women bring guys in and you know voting of course and I think the the the reality is like again like all of these
02:08:49
Brian Atlastopics most people actually lie in the middle on this and it's not an extreme of you're a murderous baby killer or
02:09:00
Brian Atlaswhat's good and bad like how do we def exactly exactly and you know and by and someone mentioned that roie weight is gone and I don't know if you most of you guys probably know this it's not gone it just wasn't codified right on the
02:09:12
Brian Atlasfederal level so it's it's kicked down to the States but you know I think voting and you know democracy man that's what if a man wants the kid but she wants an abortion does he not get a say
02:09:23
Brian Atlasin that cuz she gets D so yeah that happens that's where it gets complicated right I don't see things as black and white and I don't think you should just look at cuz that's complicated that's not that's not your it is your body but
02:09:35
Brian Atlasthat's someone else's kid so you have to find balance and that's why I think there should be more resources for people to get through pregnancy and be able to give the child away if they want
02:09:47
Brian Atlasto do that but the father primarily wanted to take care of it you know and mother but there has to be both you know what I mean at the root of all this and Andrew said it before he got up but it
02:09:57
Brian Atlasreally is when it comes down to it and boils down to it really is a religious debate I'm a pro-choice girl again within reason I think after you know a certain amount of time it shouldn't be
02:10:07
Brian Atlasuntil term that's my point of view I recently had a debate with a very pro-life you know Christian conservative and they truly believe that this is
02:10:18
Brian Atlaswhere Life Starts so I can I disagree but again I can respect his that's his point of view is his point of view so you know I think a lot of this boils
02:10:28
Brian Atlasdown to that and the morality of that you know what we have in this country that's one Freedom we do have is freedom of religion and everyone that's right reserves the right to practice their own
02:10:39
Brian Atlasreligion without forcing it on anyone else's separation of church and state if you want to have a country where you have a representative government then the government's going to have to represent the the will of the people
02:10:51
Brian Atlaspeople if the major will of the people if the major will of the people the majority block of people are religious they have every right to put people in systems of government power who share the religious views why does it say separation of church it doesn't say
02:11:04
Brian Atlasseparation of church and state anywhere in the Constitution nowhere nowhere not any place so Christians are the superior and most valued people in no one else's
02:11:16
Brian Atlasreligious rights I'm sorry I didn't say anything like that I said specifically did we're doing you I said what's this well just like she's just like she's doing her just like she's doing her kid a favor she's Superior to him what part
02:11:29
Brian Atlassaving them from saving them from unal living themselves that's because she's Superior Superior I want to help them give exactly giving me support making
02:11:38
Brian Atlaschoices for me off your religion that's your right choose to PR but it's not your kid's right my kid can do whatever they want unless he come in do that then you're going to try to stop him is it
02:11:49
Brian Atlasgoing to [ __ ] hurt what I be traumatized and broken absolutely yes so you're changing your answer and you would just let I'm not changing my answer cuz I never said I would physically stop them I said would try to
02:12:00
Brian Atlasphysically stop them I said I would talk to them and give them the support they to help them they say you know what Mom I got all this support I I got it all and I I just don't want to change my mind I'm still going to do it you know
02:12:13
Brian Atlaswhat in a perfect world where it had to come to that decision if my child is suffering that much I don't want them to suffer whatever makes them feel better there's assisted medical suicides in
02:12:23
Brian Atlasother countries right now whatever you know if they I hope to raise a child who isn't that broken from the society or
02:12:35
Brian Atlasthings that have happened to him to choose to act on that but if my child is [ __ ] suffering suffering their brain
02:12:44
Brian Atlaswhatever is wrong they physically cannot take living it is a torture every day who am I to tell them you can't do that because I'm going to extrem you guys are
02:12:58
Brian Atlascomparing the exchange let us finish the exchange it's two different things so it's not two different things actually okay so we'll finish the exchange so anyway uh so to dive into this you have just described right every mother
02:13:11
Brian Atlasconsoling their son or daughter after a horrific breakup where they are so emotionally in pain they just can't take it and they don't see an end to the suffering inside and it's they feel like
02:13:22
Brian Atlasit's going to last forever but you say no my intuition this is going to stop one day now it might not it might not actually stop one day but you just intuitively make that decision for them
02:13:34
Brian Atlasdon't you you say no it's going to stop one day so if you want to unlive yourself over this right now I'm going to [ __ ] stop you right 100% right I mean I'm not I'm not going to tell him what he can and can't do am I going to
02:13:46
Brian Atlasam I going to tell him that I would be [ __ ] I would be a yes I would be broken I don't know if I could continue on without my child being there
02:13:57
Brian Atlasbut so you're so I just want to make sure I get this right your kid at 18 years old comes to you it's been 18 weeks of just agonizing suffering for them emotionally because Mrs Wright left
02:14:09
Brian Atlashim okay and he's right in front of you and he says you know what Mom I'm just going to I'm just going to put an end to this and he pulls out that heater up to the head right that's what he wants and you're going to respect that I'm going
02:14:21
Brian Atlasto say what can I do to help you yeah and he says nothing this is what I want and that's why you get them 50 hang finish that's let her finish that's [ __ ]
02:14:32
Brian Atlasthat's just like grandio stuff that is out of my control I can't tell the stop him or you would am I going to physically go and grab yeah would you physically grab it sure of course I'm
02:14:43
Brian Atlasgoing to grab him not the gun I'm going try to stop him I'm going to try to talk to him yeah what I you're going to do everything you can to stop that why do
02:14:53
Brian Atlasyou or anyone who identifies as Christian think they know what is best for you for the same reason that you think you know what's best for that 18y old you don't know me here's the thing
02:15:05
Brian Atlasregardless of if I knew you or didn't know you I know what is moral and what is not moral she's talking okay this is this is kind of what I was getting at your argument and you're entitled of course
02:15:17
Brian Atlasto your views are predicate is predicated on the fact that a fetus is a living is a full-blown human living being right people disagree with we're actually past that so we're into the
02:15:29
Brian Atlasinternal put people out there when you like to hear disag disagree with me wow have some incredible you're acting like you don't acting like we
02:15:40
Brian Atlasacting like we're having an argument which is by its nature Common Sense understands I do have to move things on I'll I have maybe one or two things here there is a chat related to this grid I we will still get to years that came in
02:15:51
Brian Atlasa while ago uh wish Kristen Stewart should men be able to choose to not pay child support or is it only women allowed to avoid Parenthood sad that there are so many degenerates that think
02:16:02
Brian Atlasthis is okay among other things do better interviewed Christ and Stewart I'd go lesbo for her not going to Li thank you for sharing you're welcome uh should men be able to choose to not pay child I don't know
02:16:13
Brian Atlaswhy on the topic of how you mentioned earlier that men should also have a say in this because you know it didn't take just one person
02:16:23
Brian Atlasto create that life but should men start trying uh paying child support from the date of conception if they are going to keep it since you want to consider this child aive well you can't answer a
02:16:34
Brian Atlasquestion with a question so thinking loud she just think it's a valid question but I I basically answer it you don't have to answer the question do you think men should pay child support I do think men should pay child
02:16:46
Brian Atlassupport from but also do you think should they pay child support while the woman's pregnant not really question if they both agree to keep it yes there there's medical bills that go with pregnancy if it's so to answer the
02:16:59
Brian Atlasactual question though should men be able to choose to not pay child support they can choose not to there's many people who don't P my son's father
02:17:10
Brian Atlasdoesn't pay child support and I don't I don't request him to is he on it yes I don't I don't ask for anything I do oh okay is it I must have missed that part is it 50/50 custody no I have soul
02:17:22
Brian Atlascustody you have soul custody okay and so he pays you child support no he pays me nothing okay I've taken care of my son from the day he was born by myself you do know that you could compel him through the government to pay child
02:17:34
Brian Atlassupport though I if you were so inclined I don't okay I don't need his money to care for my child I'm able to do it myself but for people who are unable
02:17:45
Brian Atlasthat again circles back to people below poverty line being forced to have kids but so to I guess answer the question wait they chose let's say they chose to let's just say they chose to so then
02:17:58
Brian Atlasso then now they're being compelled still to pay child support right just based on what the woman choosing to keep the kid man has no say right no not it's not a perfect world so then by your logic by your logic earlier you said the
02:18:12
Brian Atlasgovernment should stay at the hell out of this if that is true if you take your kid against the man's wishes right the child is born shouldn't the man then be able to opt out of paying the support
02:18:23
Brian Atlasyou know what if they want to opt out of paying for it let them opt out uh I think that just speaks more on the character of the man mhm mhm so in other words would you would you agree then
02:18:34
Brian Atlasthat okay if men made a compromise you can have abortions if we can opt out a child support would you take that deal it kind of goes into my answer guys let answer the question I wasn't sure if
02:18:45
Brian Atlasyou wanted to go or not um sorry I mean sure why not okay all all right so going around the table should men be able to choose to not pay child support I think
02:18:56
Brian Atlasthat women and men if they if either or doesn't want to keep it and they choose we have the option to not choose then the government should step in and help either or who wants to support that
02:19:08
Brian Atlaschild um because that's if they want to force them to have the kid I I do think but I also have been around men who have gotten child support from women and who have struggled with that so I think that
02:19:20
Brian Atlasit should it's an equality thing to me I if you don't want to choose to have a kid then that's fine but I think that the government instead if it wants
02:19:31
Brian Atlaspeople to have kids and support women in that way should step in if we're doing that okay so I'll ask you the same question of course if you could make a deal tomorrow if between Republicans and
02:19:42
Brian AtlasDemocrats and the deal was that okay you cannot any longer govern our bodily autonomy it's our right now to choose whether or not we have or not and they they countered with okay as long as it's
02:19:54
Brian Atlasthe right of men to opt out of ever having to support that child yeah I think I would AG I would support that honestly I think I would need to see where it goes but I would cuz I that's what I want I don't want anyone to be in
02:20:06
Alex Kanea position that they don't consent to whoever you are whatever gender or whatever so yeah I I agree think just State your position think agree okay I'm
02:20:16
Alex Kanesorry um I think that they should have the decision to decide if they want to pay child report or not then yeah okay yeah we should all be able to choose what we want to do so if you don't want
02:20:28
Brian Atlasto have a baby and you're a man and the woman's choosing to keep it you shouldn't have to be financially responsible that also means that you don't get rights to the child though you need to [ __ ] off at that point um but also vice versa if the woman's like I don't want my body to expand I don't
02:20:41
Brian Atlaswant to give birth or possibly have a C-section which is a major surgery like if I don't want to do those things tough [ __ ] especially if you guys [ __ ] with the intention of just [ __ ] if you guys didn't say like I want to make a baby and it was an accident either
02:20:54
Brian Atlasperson should be able to say this is what wasn't what I signed up for and be able to opt out you know I I don't have a clean I don't have kids this definitely isn't my wheelhouse kind of similar to the abortion debate I feel
02:21:06
Brian Atlaslike it takes two to tango you know the woman just doesn't come up with it on her own so I feel like it would make sense that they have an obligation but I feel like it's
02:21:18
Brian Atlassituational if it's a if it's a instance where the woman wants it and he doesn't well that's the instance I feel like that would be then her responsibility she's choosing that
02:21:30
Brian Atlasokay so men so men should be able to choose to not pay child
02:21:36
Brian Atlassupport yes if the government is forcing the government should pay that's not I don't like government being hands in a scenario where a woman
02:21:48
Brian Atlaslittle hand the little government hands in as possible okay in a scenario where women have the right to have an abortion should like which is the case in quite a
02:21:59
Unknown/Ambientbit of the US right should men be able to choose to not pay child support sure okay yeah I also think that in that situation it's very like
02:22:11
Unknown/Ambientcommunication is very important and if the man decides to not want to child and yeah you should have the option to not want to pay child support okay I have a really quick anecdote sorry I related completely related to
02:22:23
Brian Atlasthis uh my friend in high school he and this girl had relations she got pregnant she didn't tell him the whole time he kept asking her is that my kid is that my kid and she said no kid's born she's
02:22:35
Brian Atlaslike oh surprised it's yours and she was supposed to give the kid up for adoption though but she ended up wanting to keep it and he wanted to give up his rights he still had to go through a lot just to get his rights like remove his like just
02:22:48
Brian Atlasgive up his rights he still owed a lot of money and it it actually they garnishes wages and they also tried to threaten him with jail so it's not that easy to just give up your your rights
02:22:59
Brian Atlasfor that but I think he should have been able to just give up his rights yeah that applies to men and women for for you guys cuz you're your answers were interesting you said sure I think in
02:23:10
Brian Atlasthat case I would definitely take that deal where they could opt out if uh and not pay any support and then that the woman could go ahead and have the child would you still take that if there was
02:23:20
Brian Atlasno government assistance for women I mean I think so cuz I would hope that Community is enough sometimes like I think that I don't know that's what I'm striving for in my life to be surrounded by people who would want to be
02:23:33
Brian Atlassupportive of each other creating families and uh raising good people and but I yeah I I I would be okay with it because
02:23:43
Brian AtlasI think we could would it be ideal or my favorite thing for people who Struggle No Yeah but equality is more important to me than cuz like you keep talking about is there is a majority and like I
02:23:56
Brian Atlasam in a minority as a lesbian in this country in the world so I have to acknowledge that but I think that again I just want everyone to have and I maybe it's too idealistic I don't know I don't
02:24:06
Brian Atlashave a solution so I'm not able to say what I think should happen but I I do think that people should consent to what they want and know that we don't always get what we want at the end of the day and that's you have to deal with that
02:24:19
Brian Atlastoo would you agree with that too then yeah no I I totally I would agree with that um and I think it's just kind of hard cuz if you think of more little nuanced examples like if the man the one night stand let's say it's a one night
02:24:29
Brian Atlasstand If he if he tells her from the get-go like yo I I don't want this sorry I'm out um then that woman at that choice still has time to maybe get an abortion or consider adoption she has time but like when you have a man the whole pregnancy going I'm here for you
02:24:43
Brian Atlasbaby I support you and then you give birth and he runs away like you know like then the woman maybe she would have chosen to have an abortion if she knew months you know what I mean so there's so many nuances in different situations that are different but I would just say
02:24:55
Brian Atlasacross the board my stronghold held belief is that any human regardless of gender can choose what they want to do with their life if you don't choose to be a parent you should not be forced and parent financially or otherwise that doesn't actually makes sense though
02:25:07
Brian Atlasbecause why because your argument is about consent that's what I'm saying is is that's what saying so wait a second so wait a second it wouldn't actually matter if a guy was with his live-in
02:25:17
Brian Atlasgirlfriend or even his wife yeah and they were banging every single day unprotected yeah he just has to not consent right right and and but that's that's true at the Basel line you have to draw the line somewhere so it is true
02:25:30
Brian Atlasand that's where it gets more into it's honestly just going to make that man look like an [ __ ] if he was there for her her full pregnancy and acted like abandon her he's going to look like an [ __ ] but I I mean I don't think it's morally okay but I think it's legally
02:25:43
Brian Atlasyou have to draw the line somewhere and I do believe legally no one should force anyone to be a parent cuz truthfully some people aren't me to be parents they don't want we're not talking about him being a parent we're talking about extracting support I understand that but
02:25:55
Brian Atlaslike that is financially support like you can choose do I want to financially support a new life do I want to emotionally be involved with like there's many levels to Parenthood but sending a check is some level of so you
02:26:07
Brian Atlasshould be able to choose at any point in time even if you're a [ __ ] [ __ ] and do make sure I got this right you can still do it since it's based around consent yeah it's morally wrong you're
02:26:17
Brian Atlasmarried you're with your wife right you're a man you didn't consent okay to get her pregnant yeah you didn't consent to having a baby she got pregnant with
02:26:28
Brian Atlasyour kid even though you know sex leads to that even though you're you know you're having unprotected sex you think it should be his right to opt out from raising the kid and pay no support right yeah I think that morally that's really
02:26:40
Brian Atlasshitty of him I think it speaks a lot volumes about what a piece of [ __ ] he probably is however does that I don't think that man should for the next 18 years be forced to be into something if he didn't say to her I'm intentionally getting you pregnant right now I'm doing
02:26:52
Brian Atlasthis on purpose like this is what we want like if he to cuz you are allowed to have sex with no intention of getting pregnant that's a I think a human right I don't think you should be required to breed just cuz you're horny sometimes like luckily for me that's not an issue
02:27:05
Brian Atlasnow but like you know what I mean like it's like I I think it morally sucks and would make me not like that person but I don't think they should be financially I don't think they should have their checks garnished however in the same
02:27:17
Brian Atlastoken they need to [ __ ] off they can't contact that woman they like oh 5 years from now I want to see the B no you made your bed you lied in it like that was the choice you made I actually would support this policy for a completely
02:27:28
Brian Atlasdifferent reason than you would but I actually would support it for a totally different reason I gave my son because it would well because if if men could could absent um pregnancy any time the
02:27:41
Brian Atlassame way that women can or let's just give them the first nine months just like as a grace period [ __ ] it right they get nine months just like a woman gets N9 months let's just say you're a
02:27:51
Alex Kaneuluses the Pagan donated $200 woman complain of men man plaining all the time but that's exactly what the panel is doing I think she means but
02:28:02
Brian Atlaswhen you do it it's help stop it get some help so anyway stop it anyway get some help so I was saying um yeah I think let's give him let's just give him the same 9month grace period okay after
02:28:15
Brian Atlasthe kid is born so he didn't have any decision the 9 months the kid's going to be born right so now he has the in 9 months now we're totally fair across the board then that first 9 months he's like
02:28:25
Brian Atlasah I don't like this I don't consent and he gets to walk right I think that sexual promiscuity would do that kind of
02:28:36
Brian Atlasovernight so I'm kind of okay uh with moving towards such a policy because I think that when women were left with the entailment of the decision of sexual intercourse and keeping the kid if they
02:28:48
Brian Atlaswanted to but then could not compel a man to support him I think that they would be a lot choosier about who they had sex with it boils down to two adults having open communication that's all it
02:29:00
Brian Atlasis cuz I hope you know the people getting pregnant have the option to choose to have these kids are adults but I gave my son's father the choice in the beginning we were together he wanted to
02:29:11
Brian Atlasbe there and then when it came time while I'm pushing my child out I gave birth to my son 6:30 p.m. 4:30 p.m. I still have a screenshot to this day of my son's father being like I don't want
02:29:23
Brian Atlasanything to do with y'all stay away from my me and my family blah blah blah two months later he's back asking you know oh can I Facetime him can I see you blah blah blah I gave him the option at about
02:29:35
Brian Atlasa year to you're either in it and going to help me take care of him or you're going to [ __ ] off and let me raise my child yeah so it comes down to two adults who are willing and able to
02:29:46
Brian Atlascommunicate and I feel like if you can't communicate why are you even having sex because you can't have sex without communicating okay wait so just so I understand and I
02:29:57
Brian Atlasdo have to move this on yeah initially he said he didn't want to be involved he initially said he wanted to be involved he threw a party with his family then he kind of backed out then
02:30:07
Brian Atlashe I I left because he was abusive so I left him and then yeah took a mil sorry that was Nick who pressed that what the hell Nick all right I got to do I got to get through a couple of the chats here
02:30:18
Brian Atlasso okay the beacon that's hot uh first off buddy very I do appreciate your patronage we actually did ask your
02:30:28
Brian Atlasquestion uh it was the question was uh it was name one CIS white heteronormative male who owes reparations it was posed to the panel
02:30:40
Brian Atlasperhaps your question ought to be a I think it could perhaps have been a bit more clear they pointed at me and that was it they answered your
02:30:52
Brian Atlasquestion but just since you're spamming the chat I'll ask it again to be fair the beacon so the question the
02:31:03
Brian Atlasquestion was one second let me just make sure I I get it perfectly right I can't even pull it up okay here it is point to a heteronormative cisgendered white male of privilege who owes Society
02:31:13
Brian Atlasreparations Ronald Reagan and trickle down economics okay we'll go around the panel go ahead good one point I mean has to be someone in the room then [Laughter]
02:31:25
Brian Atlasyeah I guess I think that all white people and all people should be paying reparations in some way I I I person if you were if you are a white person who
02:31:37
Brian Atlasgenerationally comes from this country and your status wherever you are in this Society was built off the backs of
02:31:47
Brian Atlasenslaved people you do own reparation if you were yeah I agree if you were a part of the colonization of all the original people of this but what if I what if I had a black ex-wife and took
02:31:59
Brian Atlascare of her for many years and that's a form of pain that's a form of reparations if you're respecting them if you respect them as a person that's uplifting a person in
02:32:10
Brian Atlastheir Community something a lot of black women don't get so then I'm exempt I mean you would do am I saying you have to like go
02:32:20
Brian Atlass everybody a monthly check no but I think reparations go further than financial it's respect for the person as
02:32:31
Brian Atlasa person it's you know yeah all right Beacon I hope that satisfies you dude I asked the panel for that one I mean okay so all right uh Robert Tanner end the
02:32:43
Brian Atlaslive rates by men is 3.85 times the rate of women for the CDC in the US white males is 68% of this per the CDC if you need confirm as.org putting some facts in perspective for this pan panel also
02:32:57
Brian Atlascurious does the panel think this is moral good or right why are men doing this in much higher rates a great question men do have a big load and weight on their shoulders
02:33:08
Brian Atlasto be providers but unfortunately that is a system that was set up by the men that came before them you know the men that built this country that's I'm not
02:33:20
Brian Atlassaying it's is it though wait because I actually think there's a mating pressure that is directional from women to men not all women oh but let's just say it's
02:33:30
Brian Atlaseven 50% of women if it's 50% of women that would preclude assuming there's one toone partnering ratios that would preclude 50% of men from being able to
02:33:42
Brian Atlasget into a relationship marry have children reproduce so if women's own standard even if it's 50% I actually think it's more more than 50% but let's just say it's 50% of women have an
02:33:52
Brian Atlasexpectation that men pay for first AES men be providers men pay for dates into the relationship uh men are just generally providers throughout the entire course of the relationship then
02:34:03
Brian Atlashow is this actually you said but it's because of men wouldn't it actually because be because of women due to a incredibly powerful mating pressure
02:34:13
Brian Atlasthat's placed on men by women in this Society yes evolutionary speaking yes but Men set up and designed the system
02:34:25
Brian Atlasfor women to stay home and be Homemakers to need that from men you know me women weren't a women for thousands of years have been
02:34:35
Brian Atlashomers women set that up the opposite way women didn't build this country no by by when when women demanded the right to vote and they demanded the right to enter into the workplace M they double
02:34:47
Brian Atlasthe labor force 100% if you dou BEC valuable theable so now you need two incomes hang on but hang on let me
02:34:58
Brian Atlasfinish my argument so now you need two incomes to raise a family whereas you only needed one income before MH so the thing that's interesting about this is while kind of out of the one side you
02:35:08
Brian Atlassay well wait a second it's men's fault because the way Society is currently geared I wouldn't say it's your fault I think it's the people who built this country argument okay goad because that
02:35:20
Brian Atlasis what you're saying and I can explain how you're saying wait a second um men put us in this conditional right men did this because men were the ones traditionally who were in power it's
02:35:32
Brian Atlaslike yeah and under men we only needed one income to support a family now we need two because women doubled the workforce and demanded to be in the workforce so it's like isn't that kind
02:35:42
Brian Atlasof what the doctor ordered then women wanting the right to earn their own money m without a man cuz it doesn't necessarily have to oh we want
02:35:53
Brian Atlasthe right to work just some women want to live without men um that's fine
02:36:01
Brian Atlasbut it completely ignores the fact of inflation and how over the years people are making significant inflated the
02:36:12
Brian Atlasworkforce they inflated it massively so what they did was now you have War now you have now you have m now you have a ton giving her some bucker of of uh entry-level women who could be paid less
02:36:25
Brian Atlasand yes there was a war a bunch of Rich industrialists took advantage of this in order to push through an amendment that when it was put to women to vote on their right to vote they voted against
02:36:34
Brian Atlasit isn't that interesting they voted against it because they did not want to be interchangeable widgets with men it was far preferable for them to live in a
02:36:45
Brian Atlassociety where they did not have to work but that goes that is [ __ ] oh what's [ __ ] I will say this is where they right we're the patriarchy of the past
02:36:57
Brian Atlasand the systems in place set it up so women were look in it crack open in a a history book women were second class not in politics not in the workforce able to
02:37:08
Brian Atlasearn their own money whatever it may be open a bank account exactly you have to start vote hang on that's true but they also incur they also incurred absolutely
02:37:18
Brian Atlasno debt they also had tons of societal privileges that men didn't have got let me finish an argument I I can I finish you don't even okay then
02:37:29
Brian Atlaswhy don't you tell me my argument the whole point though let her talk let her talk let her talk let her talk tell me my argument since you know it already
02:37:39
Brian Atlasyou're you're trying to say that like women appreciate not having to work and stuff and there are groups of women that wasn't my argument so next time so next time so since that's not my argument
02:37:52
Brian Atlasnext time I'm in the middle of making my argument please let me finish making it like I've done for you the whole night that would be swell remember there's one of me there's tons of you so anyway back to the conversation we were having you
02:38:04
Brian Atlashe talks to you like that before Oh I'm I'm it's okay to cut me off do whatever you want to me if I say something back cut you cut us off too how many of you how many of you are there it you still cut us off but guys I'm I'm sorry when
02:38:17
Brian Atlasyou're having a conversation with nine people if you want to get in the conversation sometimes you're going to have to be a bit aggressive so anyway as we're having this exchange let's try this again here's my argument
02:38:29
Brian Atlasback to you my argument back to you is wait a second you're only pointing out the cons to that not the pros so you're not pointing out the fact that women are still the most in debt in this nation
02:38:41
Brian Atlasthey incur the most well men slightly but they really shouldn't be okay the incurrence of debt from women was not even a thing they could hold property they absolutely could hold property that's a complete myth you made it up
02:38:54
Brian Atlasthey totally could hold property yes they could and tomorrow you'll learn this because I'm going to teach it to you but yes they absolutely could 100% could hold property I feel I
02:39:04
Brian AtlasI I'm going to be honest I feel like you guys like do you really believe this stuff outside of the show like half of the stuff is your does your wife work uh my wife has a book called ult feminism
02:39:15
Brian Atlasshe's the best anti-feminist debater on the earth on the plan what's it called again I'm just interested in Reading what called cult feminism no I'm genuinely curious what is her what's the Crux of
02:39:27
Brian Atlasher opinion position well I was just telling you the Crux of her opinions and position well you weren't speaking for her you were speaking for you so it was just you know asking you to Def I think they believe the same thing because they're what are you talking about she
02:39:40
Brian Atlasbelieves in the patriarchy I wouldn't be married to someone I didn't morally agree with unlike whatever you have going on with your husband mine's not
02:39:54
Richard (audience)women could own property and have checking accounts in 1907 green bailed out Wall Street crack open a history book sometime stop buying into feminist
02:40:05
Brian Atlaslies He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer but do you see do you see how like I mean I suppose not because of your wife and again you both have your you know similar views but just me and Andrew by the way me and Andrew don't
02:40:17
Brian Atlasagree on everything I haven't really talked too much I've go ahead no that's good um you just I lost my train of thought
02:40:28
Brian Atlascan I just say this whole thing is about suicide or Sorry God damn I'm sorry I'm sorry I forgot the I forgot the word what are we supposed to say on Al live remember I was going to say no no no I no I didn't bring it back
02:40:40
Brian Atlasthere I was bringing we were asking the question I was bringing it to actually a lighter place I didn't know no no I was bringing it to a lighter place on a on the
02:40:51
Brian Atlaswhole it's just unattracted like why wouldn't you want women to be did he not cut me off oh just go just go finish your point
02:41:02
Brian Atlaswhat cut me off it's unattractive when a dude is advocating for women to be in these roles put in their place like it's just not cool or hot like anybody give a
02:41:14
Brian Atlasflying [ __ ] what you think is attractive or not why does anybody give a flying [ __ ] about what you think whole thing is on the basis of meeting it's a dating show what are we even saying it's about men and women and gender Dynamics and
02:41:26
Brian Atlasfor to like put women down like we're doing Harrison bucker here like what is this let me see let me let me let me get this right but you okay well I think it's unattractive women's Liberation
02:41:35
Brian Atlasshit's totally unattractive there you go touche touche yeah the counter to oh it gives me the ick is oh well also gives me the ick to the opposition it's just like makes you not you just generalizing
02:41:48
Brian Atlascuz I see them in the comments too it just makes you like a loser and small it's like what are you so threatened by women that again it brings us back to the beginning if like you're in your power yeah but I feel like it makes you
02:41:59
Brian Atlassmall-minded and dumb to not give an argument you we can agree on something yeah I'm not I'm not sure though how it doesn't make you small-minded and dumb to not give me an argument and instead tell me about how
02:42:11
Brian Atlasyou feel the argument is that not all women think like your wife and so as a feminist I completely support your wife and whatever her ideology is and she can uh go shout that from the rooftops for the rest of her life and I'm going to
02:42:23
Brian Atlasapplaud her if that's how she really feels um but it also means that me who probably has a wildly different perspective than your wife should also be allowed to speak and also be equally as heard and we're all allowed to do
02:42:36
Brian Atlaswhatever the [ __ ] we want as long as we're not harming other people in fact you can't as long as I'm not harming anyone I'm going to live my life the way I want no even even not now you would not Advocate that that is true
02:42:48
Brian Atlasfor instance okay in the middle of the night you know nobody's around okay you know it for sure you blow through a [ __ ] stop sign okay even though there's nobody around is a cop justified
02:42:58
Brian Atlasin stopping you I mean yes he is but like who well I'm sorry but you didn't harm anybody you knew you wouldn't didn't even have the potential to harm them that's the thing though is you actually don't know that's the whole point of the those
02:43:11
Brian Atlastraffic Lawes you don't know if you're going to harm someone CU if the lights red you don't necessarily know someone's coming around the bend that's why it's red know this particular one you know you're in a TW stop light town man and you know there ain't nobody on the road
02:43:23
Brian Atlasyou know 100% there's nobody there within the confines of the hypothetical is he justified in pulling you over of course of course so if he's Justified and pulling you over then no this idea
02:43:34
Brian Atlasof I can do what I want as long as I hurt nobody else thing is that is not dver Li I agreed to those rules ofit you need a driver's license I thought you could do whatever you want unless it's hurting someone else why can't you drive
02:43:46
Brian Atlaswithout a driver's license you're not hurting anybody are because you in order to get a license you need to learn to drive you the definition Drive education I'm sorry you can't learn to drive without a license I think what the whole point is no no hang on hang on let me
02:43:59
Brian Atlasfinish the argument no you keep cutting me off like the point she cut you off actually she's a she's she's furthering my point and I really appreciate what she said you're cutting me off anyway he was trying to let you finish just for cl
02:44:11
Brian AtlasI was trying to let you finish she cut you off you interject I appreciate L's interjection um and I well I don't appreciate her interjection anyway go ahead we're
02:44:20
Brian Atlasnot so my my point is that like um if you just get behind the wheel of a car and you've never driven one before it's likely you're going to crash it that so anyone should have the right to drive as
02:44:33
Brian Atlaslong as they learn to drive anyone should probably have the right to own a gun as long as they know how to use a gun and they don't have a history of murdering people with guns like I we should have the right to go after whatever life we want but like do I want
02:44:45
Brian Atlasto be a heart surgeon I don't but like let's say I wanted to be a heart surgeon I should have have every opportunity in this world to become one does that mean I get to just call myself one I still have to learn how to do it or I could harm someone's body in the process so in order to not harm others I need to get
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Brian Atlaseducated before I take on that role we should be able to do whatever we want some things in the world you need education to do you should have the right to so to get this right here's your actual argument back to you okay you should be able to do whatever you
02:45:10
Brian Atlaswant as long as we tell you you can do it you can do whatever you want as long as you have a license you need to go through the proper authorized authorities to tell you now you can do what you want right do you believe that with licensing medical licensing private
02:45:22
Brian Atlaslicensing licensing for guns licensing to drive an automobile licensing to fly a plane licensing for everything you probably believe that you should have licensing to own a home because after all no I don't because owning a home
02:45:34
Brian Atlasisn't going to put me in Jeopardy of killing other people doing open heart surgery when I have no knowledge on how to do it could make me kill someone that's wait wait wait wait everything you do in life can have the potential of a negative ramification to harm somebody
02:45:46
Brian Atlaselse everything and when I'm talking about harming hang on hang on let me finish my point everything you do in life has the potential to do this if that is true and you have to agree with me that that is true what you're
02:45:58
Brian Atlasactually not saying to me is you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else you're saying you should be able to do anything you want as long as we collectively feel that your potential to hurt other people
02:46:10
Brian Atlasis mitigated and so that actually requires rigorous government interference and rigorous not letting you do what you want it's not not letting letting you do what you want it's preparing you to do what you want
02:46:21
Brian Atlasif you want to fly a plane I think no matter if you're a woman if you're black if you're what if you're whatever age as long as you pass the physical test that says yeah you have the eyesight and hearing abilities or whatever and you're not going to jeopardize other people's
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Brian Atlaslives on the plane if you pass ampute what was that quadruple amput I mean they probably could fly I just want to check it's like but that's what I'm saying is like it's just this is like it's so funny how you're trying to make this something thing like like no like
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Brian Atlasif anyone in the world wants to be a pilot or a heart surgeon I believe they should have every opportunity to become one does that mean as a society we have no standards we do have standards so we stop people from doing what they want stop interrupting me shut up dude let
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Brian Atlasstop interrupting me so let's say we can't go for hours either I'm not going for hours it's been about a minute and a half go anyway so like if there is some poor person of color who dropped out of school didn't have the resources like grew up in a who knows they grew up in a
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Brian Atlasgroup I'm like they don't have the same opportunities as someone who grew up in a wealthy family who's going to pay for their college education let's say like I think that person if they have a dream of being a pilot they should be able to work hard enough and be given the opportunity to learn to be a pilot
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Brian Atlasit doesn't mean that because they imagine they're a pilot they get a be one but if you're like I want to be a pilot I'm going to be like I don't care where you come from what you look like you have here's the resources to learn to study and if you put your time into that and you learn and study then
02:47:39
Brian Atlascongratulations you deserve to be one no that's okay but that so this again doesn't even begin stopping them from being teaching them to be one before they do it my turn right so one more
02:47:51
Brian Atlastime this is my actual argument try to address the argument I make not the one that you wish I made and then address that argument the argument that I'm making is that is not do what you want as long as you're hurting nobody else
02:48:03
Brian Atlasthat is you can do what you want as long as we license you to do it and we rigorously vet you to do it and after we have rigorously licensed you and vetted you then you can do it and if you don't
02:48:13
Brian Atlasdo it that way you go to [ __ ] jail that is not do what you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else that is slogan heing [ __ ] bullsh I decided
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Richard (audience)to just take 20 people and get on a plane STFU try using logic you can fly a plane without a license right so okay so let me take this I don't know if you have kids or
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Brian Atlasnot but let's say you have three toddlers at home right now and let's say a random man off the street who's never flown a plane in his life said to you hey I'm going to take your kids on my plane I want to go for a joy ride would you feel comfortable with that or would you rather go on a flight with someone
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Brian Atlaswho you know yeah [ __ ] no I'm not doing that right cuz you want that you have standards you're it's not that no one can be a pilot but if you're if you're going advocating you should be able to do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody or are you
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Brian Atlasadvocating that I am and I well then why are you giving to be a pilot I think they me an internal critique about a position I don't even hold because you're stating that by my logic any
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Brian Atlasrandom able to be a by your logic of you can do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else is not even a standard you yourself believe I just demonstrated it no you believe
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Brian Atlasyou overthe toop rigorous licing for [ __ ] everything what are you talking about believe Rous liing for a home like you just gave owning a home as an example I don't think anyone needs to
02:49:30
Brian Atlashave LIC own a home open someone's chest and surgery you should by the way you cut me off when I was making that argument no you do believe you need a license when you own a home for instance
02:49:41
Brian Atlasif you want to add on to your home have a structure yeah I know about permitting you think do you think we should have permitting for that it I I mean Santa Barbara's permitting laws I actually highly disagree with it depends on that's that's a very County by city
02:49:54
Brian Atlasthat's not my question do you think that the that the government should be empowered to come in and tell you how you're going to be able to Zone your own house if they consider any type of public danger even if it's just a perception if you if they perceive that
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Brian Atlasthe structure you're building is going to cave in on itself and kill the people living in it then sure that's why you have to learn to whatever they want they're doing whatever they're want and they're not hurting anybody else but they are by building something they don't know build that wait a second wait
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Brian Atlasa secondar bu it or hire someone who knows how and then still that's what I'm saying you want to add on to your house you can add on to your house so you live by yourself do in a safe way so you live by yourself on a hill right and you
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Brian Atlasbuild your own structure the government comes in and says Nope you got to have a permit for that because you might harm yourself great but your argument is you should be able to do whatever the [ __ ] you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else who cares if they're going
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Brian Atlasto harm themselves no you're you're I'm saying if they want to add on to the house they can still add on to the house they just literally need to do it in a safe way go so they just need to rigorously be vetted and licensed in
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Brian Atlasorder to do what they want the world certain things in the world absolutely don't believe that people should be able to do whatever they want as long as you're not hurting anybody out every if you want to add on your house you can add on your house single example that
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Brian Atlasyou give requires licensing rules regulations and people interfering with your life before you can do the thing that you want that doesn't hurt anybody else AET opportunity you what I agree we live in a society
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Brian Atlasthat's why I wouldn't make such a ridiculous argument as you can do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody else cuz that's sloganeering that's not true that's the ideal I think she's saying it's more of the ideal though and not what it's not taking it too leral you're you're
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Brian Atlasinterrupting but it's it's okay I'm sorry I was responding to her I just think that it's what does that mean stay sa what does that mean than thank you thank you