Andrew Wilson vs. SUPER Feminists! Misandrist? She HATES Brian?! 300+ Body Count? | Dating Talk #183
Date: 2024-07-31
Duration: 8h 41m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Taylor Furber(guest)
SPEAKER_04Richard (audience)(audience)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Brianna(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alex Kane(guest)
SPEAKER_11Delaney(guest)
SPEAKER_12TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_13Liza(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:49
IntroLuna Baby introduces herself: 30, Vegas, social media and porn. Adult industry 10 years.
“hello I'm Luna baby I am 30 um I currently live in Vegas grew up in LA and my occupation I do social media and porn”
00:06:32
IntroLiza introduces herself: 28, Isla Vista from Chicago, singer-songwriter. Sings original song chorus.
“hi I'm Liza I'm 28 I live in Isa Vista but I just moved from Chicago um I'm a singer songwriter”
00:09:19
IntroAlex Kane introduces herself: 22, Las Vegas, adult film.
“Kane I'm 22 I live in Las Vegas and I do adult film”
00:09:43
IntroDelaney introduces herself: 27, Santa Barbara, former property manager, entering medical industry.
“I'm Delaney I'm 27 and I am uh been in Santa Barbara the last 10 years I'm originally from San Diego”
00:10:53
IntroTaylor Furber introduces herself: 33, Nashville, red carpet reporter, podcast host Talk to Me Taylor.
“hi everybody I'm Taylor furber 33 the grandma on this... I am uh formerly in La I'm in Nashville now I was a red carpet reporter”
00:11:26
IntroBrianna introduces herself: 21, UCSB, psych and brain sciences, from Riverside.
“hi everyone my name is Brianna I'm 21 I'm originally from Riverside but now I'm here”
00:13:08
IntroLayla introduces: 30, Northern Arizona, off-grid glamping PM, No Agenda EP.
“I'm laa I'm 30 I'm from Northern Arizona and I'm a property manager for off-grid glamour camping airbnbs”
00:13:26
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst, debate university creator.
“my name is Andrew Wilson the host of The Crucible the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube”
01:33:42
ControversyLiza expresses fear over Project 2025 and reciprocal IVF rights; she and Delaney considered leaving the US.
“especially as someone who wants to have children through reciprocal IVF which is specifically detailed in that document”
01:49:05
OtherLiza reveals she has had two abortions; emotional disclosure about wanting to be a mother.
“I had to have an abortion because of the situation I was in as a teenager being abused and being threatened with homelessness”
02:03:54
OtherDelaney discloses past sex work/escorting during relationship with Liza; Liza supported her through it.
“I used to be a sex worker um and I was a sex worker that involved sleeping with um men um and Liza was we were in a relationship for a period during that time”
02:56:33
ControversyAndrew Wilson presents force doctrine argument: men could remove women's rights by force if they chose.
“if men collectively said that you couldn't do that you couldn't do that right at this point I mean if they imprisoned me for it”
03:07:07
OtherSelf-ratings round begins: Brian asks everyone to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7).
“going around the table starting with you rate your looks on scale of 1 to 10 can't pick seven”
03:35:30
ControversyLiza and Delaney confront Brian about being combative/misogynist; Brian defends his hosting approach.
“I just found somebody who's not very respectful of women”
03:57:27
OtherBear or man question posed. Liza and Delaney both choose bear due to personal trauma with men.
“would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or random bear starting with you go ahead”
05:29:00
TopicLiza/Delaney mini-departure moment after political debate gets too heated; Brian redirects to other guests.
“we'd be happy to host an actual debate on it but um thank you so... we need to move it on”
05:55:18
OtherDelaney reveals she was previously a sex worker/escort and did OnlyFans to pay bills for a year.
“it did pay all my bills for a year it paid my fiance's bills it made my dreams come true I mean I don't regret what I did”
06:17:29
QuoteBody counts revealed: Luna says ~200-300; Alex Kane says over 1,000.
“my body count if you really want to know yeah I probably past a couple hundred couple hundred okay like 200-300”
06:19:04
QuoteAlex Kane states body count over 1,000.
“over 1,000 I love dick I love being a slut”
06:40:03
QuoteLuna defends body count double standard; argues critics are the same people consuming her content.
“who cares like it's back to the double standard fine... the same people who want to devalue me and people in my industry are the same people consuming it”
07:55:21
QuoteTaylor Furber explains her power game with male friends: challenges them to grab her ass by end of dinner.
“I will put it on the table and be like okay you know I Dare You by the time we leave this restaurant like grab my butt”
Topics Discussed
00:00:15
Show open / announcements / debate university promo
Brian opens show, channel announcements, promotes debateuniversity.com verbal combat course with Andrew Wilson.
00:05:41
Guest introductions
All 7 guests + Andrew introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Luna Baby sings; Alex Kane intro; Delaney; Taylor Furber; Brianna; Layla; Andrew Wilson.
00:14:20
World War I/II trivia round
Brian asks panel to name WWI/WWII years and Allied/Axis powers. Mixed results.
00:18:18
Relationship status round
Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, and single period. Includes discussion of dating civilians while in adult film industry (Luna, Alex Kane). Liza reveals engagement to Delaney; Brianna reveals virgin status.
00:51:07
Feminist / patriarchy debate
Extended debate on feminism definition, dismantling patriarchy/whiteness, male vs female rights. Liza and Delaney as primary feminist advocates vs Andrew Wilson debating. Topics: DEI, meritocracy, Kamala Harris, female representation, women's suffrage.
01:30:00
Bodily autonomy: abortion vs military draft
Andrew Wilson debates bodily autonomy — abortion rights vs Selective Service (draft) registration. Liza/Delaney argue pro-choice; Andrew argues draft is equivalent bodily autonomy restriction. Both agree draft should be equal or abolished.
01:33:42
Project 2025 / US freedom debate
Liza and Delaney express concerns about Project 2025 (reciprocal IVF referenced). Andrew Wilson argues US is the freest country. Discussion on LGBTQ rights, abortion policy.
01:40:30
Reparations / dismantling whiteness discussion
Brian asks who owes reparations. Liza/Delaney on dismantling whiteness systems. DEI debate, Japan immigration analogy, Israel mentioned.
01:45:00
Abortion personal stories
Personal disclosures about abortion experiences from multiple guests. Discussion on trauma, shame, lack of aftercare, pro-choice vs pro-life. Religious debate on when life begins.
02:06:54
Suicide / euthanasia discussion
Discussion stems from bodily autonomy debate. Liza's position on allowing adult children to make end-of-life decisions. Growing up Jehovah's Witness reference.
02:19:03
Male suicide rate statistics
TTS brings up men dying by suicide at 3.85x rate of women (CDC stat). Brief panel discussion on why men commit suicide at higher rates.
03:07:07
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10)
Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Then asks what 1,000 men would rate them. Comparison to Pamela Anderson in her peak.
03:10:10
Will you be better-looking in 10-20-30 years? debate
Discussion on aging, Botox, breast implants, wrinkles. Most women say yes (in different ways). Andrew challenges with logic about magic wand aging.
03:57:27
Bear or man survival scenario
Standard Whatever question: stuck in woods alone with random man or random bear. Liza and Delaney choose bear (due to trauma with men). Others split. Extended debate on male victimization risk statistics, force doctrine, women's self-sufficiency.
04:43:06
Victimhood hierarchy debate
Discussion on whether victimization can be compared/ranked. Convenience store robbery scenario vs assault example. Liza argues no perfect victim; Andrew argues levels of victimization exist.
04:52:18
Ukraine war / men barred from leaving
Andrew uses Ukraine war example: men 18-60 barred from leaving country, women could flee. Discussion on who is more victimized in war.
05:05:00
Women's self-sufficiency without men debate
Andrew Wilson argues women need men (force doctrine). Liza argues she needs tools not men. Discussion on infrastructure, construction, physical strength differences, fire making.
05:12:00
Force doctrine / physical power dynamic
Andrew Wilson presents force doctrine argument: men's physical dominance means women's rights are ultimately granted by men. Feminist guests dispute.
06:17:29
Body count debate / double standard
Body count revealed (Luna ~200-300, Alex Kane 1000+). Debate on double standard for promiscuous women vs men. STD testing practices among sex workers discussed.
06:18:00
Sex worker debate: porn addiction / industry criticism
Luna and Alex Kane defend porn industry. Andrew analogizes porn criticism to tobacco company criticism by addicts. Discussion of PornHub safety improvements, CP concerns.
07:55:21
Taylor's relationship dynamic / monogamy philosophy
Taylor Furber describes her unconventional relationship approach: flirting with male friends, issuing 'ass-grab challenges' as power play. Partner is twice her age, non-possessive. Brian and Andrew challenge the logic.
Transcript
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Brian Atlasage location and occupation go ahead hello I'm Luna baby I am 30 um I currently live in Vegas grew up in LA and and my occupation I do social media
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Brian Atlasand porn all right how long have you been in the adult industry um on and off for 10 years I took a good long break
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Brian Atlasand then went back to it after 2021 mhm how many scenes have you shot mainstream or for my personal
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Brian Atlasbusiness uh mainstream I guess mainstream maybe we're up around eight or 10 right now or 10 yeah I
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Brian Atlasstarted mainstream last January got it okay what about you hi I'm Liza I'm 28 I live in Isa Vista but I just moved from Chicago um I'm a singer songwriter but I
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Brian Atlasjust am a front agent at a desk or at a desk at an in are you a solo artist or are you a solo artist yeah what kind of music it's like pop uh Andie poop I
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Brian Atlaswould say are you a soprano mm I guess more of a m can we hear a little demo Jesus I guess what do you want to hear uh you're single my single I don't have
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Brian Atlasa single uh you're do song right yeah I'm a songwriter mainly okay I don't know if I want to give that away what you got for us what you got for us
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Lizaum you don't have if you want I do I'll do a chorus I'll do a chorus okay we're ready if you knew you would hate me the
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Lizaway that I learned to hate you if you saw through the wall you want want to go down and burn it all and I'm not a virtic I just think
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Brian Atlasyou've been avoiding the truth what's a daughter to do okay all right there you go what was the the lyrics There V Virgin madic what
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Brian Atlasif you uh so it's if you knew you would hate me the way that I hate you if you saw through the wall you want to burn it all I'm not over dramatic I just think you've been avoiding the truth over
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Brian Atlasdramatic virgin mad virgin I know I'm trying to enunciate but I'm nervous so you're from uh did you go to school here no I'm from I was born in New York um and then we moved to LA when I was a
00:08:10
Brian Atlasteenager like and then I went to a troubled teen school in Arizona and then I moved back to California and then I moved to Chicago
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Brian Atlaswhen the pandemic hit and went to a dangerous mind school yes mhm what' you do um you know all the stuff they said talk about here just like troubled childhood I had a really rough time
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Brian Atlasgrowing up and I was really depressed and uh a lot of the things were just I was reacting to my childhood and so now that I my frontal lobe is developing and
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Brian AtlasI I'm like analyzing myself and seeing where I've gone wrong is it still developing yeah I mean I thought it finishes at 25 I know that's what I mean like it it's done but now that
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Brian AtlasI am putting it into practice and not just Ring On Emotion trying to think more logical okay was it in all girls school yeah Luma yeah I okay I used to live down really yeah we yeah that's
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Brian Atlas[ __ ] wild oh sorry I'm not supposed to say that that's really wild sorry wa question by the way are your glasses prescription yeah I'm really blind okay gotcha all right what about you I'm Alex
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Alex KaneKane I'm 22 I live in Las Vegas and I do adult film all right and you always lived in Vegas no I'm from Ohio oh from Ohio okay so new moved no I've been in
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Brian AtlasVegas for about 2 years and I was in Miami before Vegas so yeah all right cool and did you you said you do adult cont fil what about you um so I recently
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Brian Atlasjust quit my job two weeks ago in Property Management um and I just got so name age oh sorry it's okay sorry guys I'm a little nervous um I'm Delaney I'm
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Brian Atlas27 and I am uh been in Santa Barbara the last 10 years I'm originally from San Diego and I I just recently quit my job uh cuz I found it to be an extremely toxic work environment and I'm starting a new
00:10:06
Brian Atlascareer in a week so what what were you doing um I worked in student housing um I can't I'm not going to say the company specifically but uh I was a property manager um for a couple years and I am
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Brian Atlasnow going into the medical industry so totally 180 and you said it's a toxic work environment it was because of the the like the renters the people you
00:10:28
Brian Atlasworked for the people I worked for I think that um major landlords especially in Santa Barbara where there's a housing crisis um have a responsibility you know um especially student landlords when
00:10:41
Brian Atlasstudents are you know low income and trying to get by so seeing them constantly take advantage of people is what drove me out of it CU I want to help people yeah got it okay what about
00:10:53
Brian Atlasyou all right hi everybody I'm Taylor furber 33 the grandma on this although I don't know you you got a little salt and pepper you took some mil run for my money let's go although I don't have
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Brian Atlassaggy tits but I am the mil I'll take the honorary mil roll on this you're getting the title for tonight I guess I guess so unless somebody has kids anybody have kids my my I don't even have kids but hey you'll still take the
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Brian Atlastitle take the title I am uh formerly in La I'm in Nashville now I was a red carpet reporter Playboy called me the celebrity whisper and I now host the podcast talk to me Taylor we love a
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Taylor FurberShameless plug so there you have it all right cool cool um hi everyone my name is Brianna I'm 21 I'm originally from Riverside but now I'm here one sec Mike
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Alex KaneOx donated $200 after Destiny beat you in that debate Andrew I think I will take my money over to Destiny's Channel and learn to debate there comma
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Brian Atlas2024 let's fight for women's equality America is ready for her I just I just want to point out that even if even if and he did didn't Destiny beat me in
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Brian Atlasthat debate other men did [ __ ] his wife I just want to point that out I don't I don't I don't want any confusion Andrew that other men [ __ ] Destiny's wife all right just saying wasn't a cordial I
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Brian Atlasthought it was a cordial conversation right I only saw like it was a very cordial conversation I didn't even bring up the fact that other men [ __ ] his wife or nothing I didn't bring that up debate
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Brian Atlasstill debate skills strong um he's going to put you back on The Blacklist Andrew he already did that's why I don't care he wait he put you back on it yeah he put put me back on it
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Brian Atlasagain you got off The Blacklist mhm and it's like no Blacklist Blacklist MH beat him in a debate go right back on The Black List that's how it goes snip snap
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Briannasnip snap rude y okay all right uh so wait that was interrupting your introduction you said you're 21 oh yeah I'm 21 originally from Riverside California but I'm a student here at
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Brian AtlasUCSB all right what do you study I'm psych and brain Sciences psych and brain Sciences cool cool and you're going into your senior year I am yeah okay all right what about you uh I'm laa I'm 30
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Brian AtlasI'm from Northern Arizona and I'm a property manager for off-grid glamour camping airbnbs and glamping yeah glamping nice and I stream on an adult
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Brian Atlascampsite and I also am a Shameless executive producer of the No Agenda show okay cool cool cool welcome back welcome
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Brian Atlasback you were previously uh on a pretty interesting panel we had yep Andrew what about you uh yeah so my name is Andrew Wilson the host of The Crucible the
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Brian Atlasfastest growing debate Channel on YouTube to my knowledge um I am a political saturnist a political analyst official beater of Destiny in all debates
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Alex Kaneand uh occasionally I like to get into debates on whatever and talk to people all right welcome everybody so we're going to get into our Master glavius donated
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Alex Kane$200 this panel is what happens when women drink during pregnancy all look like the type of people to eat popcorn with a spoon Q what years were World War
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Brian Atlasi/ World War II also name one Alli power and one A's power okay we haven't even gotten through our H yet we going get we Haven got through hello we'll get into the uh so we'll we'll do that really
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Brian Atlasquick then we'll do the relationship stats glavius that's a crazy nameus I said [ __ ] is small Tav is something so in that case like I don't know buddy anyways
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Brian Atlasum the question is uh what years were World War I and World War II and name for I think he's for World War II name one Allied Power one access power starting with you go
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Brian Atlasahead World War II was in 1940s right yes yeah I don't remember the exact year it started it's fair enough if you want to do decades what about World War I N around the Great Depression question
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Brian Atlasright 1920s is that right I'm not going to pretend to remember want to take a take
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Brian Atlasa shot it's okay oh uh one name one Allied Power one Allied Power one access power World War II I
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Brian Atlasguess bring going blank I'm sorry uh Allied Power would be the one I can think of I don't think I can name right now
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Brian Atlasso you you want to oh okay what about you we can just skip no come on guys you got to give a shot embarrassed cuz I don't know world so World War II one
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Brian AtlasAllied Power one access power so country name name country Ally is the United States one of them and
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Brian Atlasthen access power and access would be Germany all right you're uh World War World War I World War II year I oh year
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Alex KaneI don't know I'll go with the 19 I'll give a specific year then let's say 1943 for World War 2 and then let's say
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Brian AtlasWorld War I was I don't know 1918 okay all right what what about you I believe World War I was early 30s because I thought the Depression was
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Brian Atlasright at the end of the 20s and then I think World War I was like like you said 43 like mid-40s um I think the United States was actually an access access power but I could be I feel like an idiot honestly
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Brian Atlasit's kind of H shameful but um and then I'd say an Allied Power um was France an ally okay all right what about what
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Brian Atlasabout you okay I feel like World War I was the 1910s World War II 1940s some of our allies you know UK adversaries Japan
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BriannaItaly mhm obviously about um I'm going to guess World War II 1944 maybe and then World War I and also
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Brianna1920s um Powers I would say France that was my guess ACC oh
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Brian Atlasum Germany okay all right what about you uh World War I 1910s World War II 1940s Allied Powers would be United States
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Brian AtlasFrance uh Russia I think yeah cuz they they were again yeah the axis was Germany and the Russians uh they the ones that a yeah the axis uh
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Brian AtlasJapan Germany and Italy all right there you go uh about the guys what about the guys wait Brian this a vehicle to World War I 1914
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Brian Atlas1918 World War II 1939 1945 and then uh well you guys already named some of the go ahead Brian let's go let's hear it are you googling it Bri when did yeah I was close yeah there you
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Brian Atlasgo who said 1930 that hey it's okay it's all yeah World War one wasn't you know it was only the second biggest war no big deal not no NBD NBD no big deal should know
00:18:14
Brian Atlasall right um we're going get into uh we're going to get into relationship status so what's your current relationship status single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyal sex cold terum whatever it may be if you're
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Brian Atlassingle how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship ship you've ever been in um currently single been single for I would
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Brian Atlassay two years mhm um what was the last part of the question I'm sorry uh longest relationship longest
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Brian Atlasrelationship three years three years okay all right and uh you said you've been single for two years mhm have you
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Brian Atlashad any like shorter term anything in those twoe in the two-year period not really a couple people you know the fellow people in the industry that I was
00:19:05
Brian Atlasfriends with it was fun for the time being and then that was pretty much it do you date civilians no I feel like
00:19:14
Brian Atlasum I don't want to have to make someone be okay with what I do and I you know I know it's not for everybody and
00:19:26
Brian Atlaspersonally it just gets in the way of my my career and my job and I enjoy what I do do you find that as far as the preferences of the male porn stars that do they
00:19:37
Brian Atlashave uh a pref a preference to date other women in the industry or do they prefer to date like regular girls I guess C what some people start in the
00:19:49
Brian Atlasindustry already in long-term relationships people who enter the industry who then try to date normal people I I've just I've been told that you know it just doesn't work out
00:20:02
Brian Atlasbecause jealousy and stuff like that gets in the way which is understandable with our work yep and um most of the time they're just bouncing from each other it's just this whole
00:20:15
Brian Atlascommunal I don't know if I can say the word so okay what about you um I'm engaged to Delaney okay and um I the longest relationship I've had is three
00:20:27
Brian Atlasyears 3 years but we've known each other we went to the school together so we met when we were 15 16 she was my first girlfriend when I was 15 oh so you guys dated in the trouble teen industry we
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Brian Atlasmet the trouble teen industry but then we were best friends for a while and then we just got together like this year finally okay and so you guys are engaged yeah okay and how long have you been
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Brian Atlastogether like recently I moved from Chicago in May in the beginning of May but we were doing long distance like since the beginning of the year yeah all right and have you only been in
00:21:03
Alex Kanerelationships with women no I've been in relationships with both same for you okay okay what about you I'm single uh the longest relationship I was in was
00:21:13
Alex Kaneabout a year and a half long and what I've been single for like 3 or 4 months somewhere around there was it uh the one you said 1.5 year
00:21:25
Alex Kanerelationship yeah is that the one that ended 3 to four months ago one that just ended yeah who broke up with who um I broke up with so yeah was he
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Alex Kanealso in the industry no he was a civilian or a civy that's how I'll reference people usually uh why did you end things uh he cheated on me so
00:21:47
Brian Atlasyeah huh wait hold on you when and you do uh boy girl content yeah I do yeah and he cheated on you you with
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Alex Kanesomeone that I didn't know about that's where the cheating comes in more lying I guess I mean it's cheating and lying to be clear so you while in a relationship
00:22:09
Alex Kanemonogamous relationship with you he was having sex with other women it was like more like an emotional
00:22:19
Alex Kanething which I kind of found worse was he was like talking to someone oh killo of cereal donated $200 my new favorite question for the panel embarrassing moment on a date
00:22:31
Brian AtlasBrian apologies for last episode that screeching Banshee was under my skin didn't mean to be demanding hey all good man uh I by the way I I don't know if
00:22:41
Brian Atlasyou caught the end of the show I we had forgotten to ask this precise question I have it written down in my uh my notes here to actually ask it and have your name here uh sorry that we kind of missed it there just uh pretty hectic
00:22:53
Brian Atlasshow but uh you didn't have to do that I was actually going to ask ask that but thank you for the TTS man appreciate it really good to seeing the stream uh so you said it was emotional cheating yeah he was like talking to someone for like
00:23:05
Alex Kaneover a month and it was just like I don't know we were falling off at that point anyways so like I kind of understood but it still is like saddening okay so he didn't like have
00:23:16
Brian Atlashook up no as far as I know at least I mean who knows interesting okay he didn't have any issues with the fact that you were like sleeping with men for work granted he kind of had issues at first
00:23:29
Alex Kanebut like I don't know then it just like went away I guess and he just didn't care anymore but question did you meet him prior to starting work in the industry no so I've been in the industry
00:23:41
Alex Kanefor about four years he knew going in yeah okay but then as the relationship developed he started to have an issue with it well yeah like as like as it developed in the beginning he had an
00:23:51
Brian Atlasissue and then it went away and it was like fine and then we broke up basically would there be like a waiting per period like if you have a scene or like would he want to wait till like smash no like
00:24:03
Alex Kanea week we never like talked about that at least like but would you would you give him like a heads up like a like I mean he knew I would be like hey I'm going to a shoot today I'd be like hey I'm going to a shoot today what if it's
00:24:15
Brian Atlaslike a shoot but there's like no de like it's just like did you guys did you guys ever do the deed after you went to a shoot I mean not that I can think of I I didn't write it down I don't know she was not keeping track not keeping track
00:24:28
Brian Atlasyou know okay all right I'm curious what he took issue with like is it insecurity is it and I'm wondering if you have dealt with a
00:24:38
Brian Atlassimilar I mean thing with you know not every man definitely wants to see the person they love getting pounded on TV
00:24:49
Brian Atlasother people don't care um I feel like that's something that if you are seeking like if you are in the industry you want to go and get into a relationship with a
00:25:01
Brian Atlascivilian that is something that you know should be discussed and learn your boundaries for each other like maybe it's no kissing maybe it's don't call
00:25:12
Brian Atlasthem this or that whatever the boundary may be it's up to the two people to respect each other's boundaries and if it's something you can't do then you know that obviously that relationship
00:25:24
Brian Atlasjust isn't for you I just ask I could be generalizing and I don't know Brian if you come across this on the show often but I I don't know I feel like a guy who is I'm generalizing here again but a guy
00:25:35
Brian Atlaswho's like secure enough in himself and in you and your choices and your power and what you want to do why would you have an issue with that on the gu's end you know what I mean like I love what you said about you know
00:25:46
Brian Atlascommunicating being transparent and each other's boundaries who did say who said what what does that mean wait so you're saying if the guy is secure he won't have an issue with it
00:25:59
Brian Atlasexactly if if it's the if it's made in the woman's choice and her power and she's well knowing and full knowing like hey this is what I do for a living this is what I want to do then like it's like roll with or roll out like they should
00:26:11
Brian Atlasrespect that what does uh what does insecurity mean from your perspective well if a guy well you guys are saying if they're watching you you know get
00:26:23
Brian Atlassmashed as you said I assume that they would that would make them feel insecure right and or maybe just uncomfortable CU why else we that just be gross yeah I don't think it
00:26:36
Brian Atlasnecessarily means they're insecure it could make people uncomfortable you know like I guess what I'm getting and you guys are guys let's get to the root of why though that's what I'm saying is it stigmatized because it's like quote
00:26:48
Brian Atlasgross it's like what do you mean hold remove the air quotes on Gross by the way but go ahead yeah it's not a stigmatization it it's not a stigmatization um from your from your
00:26:58
Brian Atlaspurview you believe evolution is true of course yeah so if you believe evolution is true before we had DNA testing how would you determine whether or not a child was yours from a male's perspective how would you be able to
00:27:10
Brian Atlasdetermine that hang on I'm talking about an a controlled porn sex work environment don't off escate don't off escate let's hang on let's let's stick with this let's stick with this CU I'm trying to answer your question let's go
00:27:20
Brian AtlasEvolution okay let's go how would a man determine paternity before there was DNA testing how how could he do that how could he determined that's my child why are we talking about child birth answer
00:27:31
Brian Atlasthe question I feel like we might persecuted um before DNA testing why do you how do you think a man would be able to best determine whether a child was his or not
00:27:44
Brian Atlastheir Partners how the child so so if they were in a relationship where the woman was only sleeping with him and that could be determined she was only sleeping with him that would assure paternity right
00:27:56
Brian Atlassure but we're talking okay so we're for talking Evolution MH you know knowing about Evolution that going way back right men biologically even now to this
00:28:08
Brian Atlasday why men are so visual So Physical have that impulse to survive spread their seed basically bone everybody right where women tend to be the nurturers what wait hang on a sec women
00:28:19
Brian Atlastend to be the nurturers right there's a different role that now we're trying to navigate that like those Neanderthal tendencies in a in a you know modern world
00:28:29
Brian AtlasI'm but by that logic women it could go the other way right no so let's let us assume for a moment that you're correct and that every that every man on planet Earth
00:28:43
Brian Atlaswants to hump as many women as they possibly can let's just assume it for the sake of argument that they do okay that still would have nothing to do with wanting the women that they're sleeping with to sleep with other men and the
00:28:54
Brian Atlasreason for this is because of the Assurance of paternity women uh can take the DNA from multiple men but there's no assuredness that that then is going to be your child that's the problem and so the reason it's ingrained in men to find
00:29:07
Brian Atlasit revolting when they're significant other is sleeping with another person besides them at any point at least this is most men is because that's ingrained in us because of that paternal but you're missing my point you said it's
00:29:18
Brian Atlasrevolting for men right it's a societal standard because of this it's like when a woman sleeps around she's when sociological saying biological wait wait hang on when a man sleeps around he's a
00:29:28
Brian Atlasstud so by that logic you say repulse Revol it should be the other way around right women are like revolted of men sing around it's like I'm just saying yeah but it wouldn't be the other way around you're talking about a you're
00:29:39
Brian Atlasproving my point no I'm not you're talking about a sociological versus biological phenomenon so the sociology I'm kind trying to explain it to you the sociology is meeting with the biology true but why well it's meeting with the
00:29:52
Brian Atlasbiology because men are revolted by promiscuous women women are not necessarily revolted by promiscuous men that's so so hang on biolog and cultur
00:30:02
Brian Atlaswe've been you can talk in a second I'm almost done okay oh thanks okay so after so after we get this foundational uh principle established that men are
00:30:12
Brian Atlasgenerally revolted by promiscuous women but women are not generally revolted by promiscuous men biologically yes the sociological phenomenons which spiral out of that that's true but it's the the
00:30:24
Brian Atlasbasis of it is the biological phenomenon I I think we're kind of saying the same thing sort of not really can I interject really quick um just I wasn't sure if I was going to bring this
00:30:35
Brian Atlasup earlier um but I'll say in the least detailed way I used to be a sex worker um and I was a sex worker that involved sleeping with um men um and Liza was we
00:30:48
Brian Atlaswe were in a relationship for a period during that time is it like you talking about prostitution um not exactly and I don't want to get into the details on here but um and I did do only fans so I can I can relate to some of these ladies
00:30:59
DelaneyI wasn't on professional sets but were you escorting um in a way I just I don't really I don't know if I want to say on the right now but um but my point is whatever friend donated $200 seeing my girl getting pounded out
00:31:11
Alex Kaneby a bunch of dudes is a hard no for me dog pause most dudes do not want to wife a girl who sleeps around even if it's for work purposes let Andrew cook right
00:31:22
Brian Atlasso what I'm talking about now um is I think a really unique perspective as a lesbian with a woman partner um and Liza can correct me if I'm wrong but um she loved me through
00:31:34
Brian Atlasthe whole thing she she supported me and there was an insecurity there because of the fact that um Liza knows that she's she we we used to always joke about it the last 12 years like she wins like anyone I've ever dated they always are
00:31:46
Alex Kaneinsecure around her cuz they know like she's who I love not them one Motorsports donated $200 I missed the bump up to continue the thought when you look back on a life
00:31:58
Alex Kaneof shattered relationships it was your degenerate behavior that lead to you being alone in the neighborhood cat lady so grid one grid one appreciate the
00:32:09
Brian AtlasTTS yeah we we actually didn't do uh we're not doing 69 today we just we have a lot to get through so it's just uh tuning up but grid one really good to see you in the chat uh really quick just before I have you continue so Andrew's
00:32:21
Brian Atlastalking about paternity uncertainty but given the nature of your relationship since you're both lesbians there's no scenario where she could theity if you were to have I me you'd have to adop or
00:32:31
Brian Atlashave to be some sort of you'd have to have a a donor so it's not I mean you're welcome to chime in but I don't think this is actually addressing Andrew's argument I think it's addressing the insecurity portion though just saying my
00:32:42
Brian Atlaspartner didn't feel insecure about me doing those things in fact she felt supported because that money helped their dreams come be the opposite well can I just say one thing that's what cuz when I was thinking like what would men
00:32:54
Brian Atlaspartic potentially feel is lacking a security and with that honestly we don't have that because there's no worry of a child so I'm just we're just saying we I
00:33:04
Brian Atlassee the B like how a man could feel that way and that we didn't experience that that wasn't something that was a point of contention in that specific well let's let's back up a little bit when you're talking about insecurity versus
00:33:17
Brian Atlassecurity cuz I hear these terms thrown around a lot right get to the I think we perceive them very differently yeah do you think that it's harder or easier to
00:33:25
Brian AtlasGaslight somebody who's secure harder way harder right way harder so if you were to go to a man who is really secure and say baby I want to hump other
00:33:36
Brian Atlasmen would it be harder to convince him probably probably right so so hang on so it's not that he's insecure it's that he's so secure that your gaslighting won't work no% right isn't
00:33:48
Brian Atlasthat what's really going on yeah I have a situation or is it so what you're trying to say is the opposite you're trying to say he's so insecure that he won't accept this relationship standard no I say and according to their logic
00:33:59
Brian Atlasthey would agree he's so secure he won't accept your gaslighting and I also I'm I hang on to get really quickly yeah no problem to get back to what I was originally talking about with you guys is in trying to have their backs right
00:34:12
Brian Atlasis and you're kind of proving my point you have this like madon hor complex thing that sadly is like permeated through I don't what that means I'll explain it that's okay I'll explain it to you but I feel like when men are so secure now granted porn sex work that is
00:34:25
Brian Atlasan extreme thing I'm not saying everybody oh okay be comfortable with that go on your way la dah it's a personal thing I'm saying if somebody knows you knows your choices respects you respects your work and they're
00:34:36
Brian Atlassecure enough to go you know what I know I know you shut that part off I we're clear we're transparent here you know we have these boundaries I respect you and you know nothing can get between us like
00:34:49
Brian Atlasit's me and you and this is your work and that's separate I think that's cool and that's rare and it's just what you guys are saying sadly I think just illustrates the boxes our society whe whether it be culturally biologic whatever it is has put us in now that's
00:35:03
Brian Atlasall I was trying to say if that makes sense to you guys I'm not sure how that negates what I said at all well because you said a secure guy yeah is gaset I'm saying a real secure guy who knows the situation
00:35:15
Brian Atlasthey're getting into knows what you guys have knows nothing can can you know dismantle that or get in between that I think that's knows what you guys have I'm not
00:35:27
Brian Atlasin I'm not a sex worker I'm not a SE how could how could you have the expectation that a civilian would know what they're signing up for well and that's what I was wanted to say is that you don't know it until you're in it and that's what I think you continue to have conversations
00:35:40
Brian Atlasbut what I was going to bring up was that you brought up that now we do have DNA testing and all of this stuff so if you're thinking about humans still evolving right now wouldn't
00:35:50
Brian Atlasthat I'm trying to think of how I want to say this wouldn't that take away that natural insecurity or do you don't think that I'm just wondering so evolution is going to happen to an entire species
00:36:02
Brian Atlasgradually over millions of years do you think that's happening now over millions of years how long do you think we've had paternity testing no I don't know not very long well how long do you think not very long is I mean probably like I was going to say like 40 years or something
00:36:15
Brian Atlasyou don't think 40 years is long enough to evolve do you no not necessarily but no no no no at hang on at all at all uh then there's all I don't want to get into that right now but uh I mean if
00:36:27
Brian Atlasyou're talking about social Evolution that would not be biological evolution also somebody could have been born before not that this would change anything someone could have been before the invent of testing no 100% I'm
00:36:39
Brian Atlasagreeing with you I don't think it could happen in 40 years but I'm just wondering if you think future yeah if that if this is all happening if the way that we are in the society would affect how our biologically how are we will
00:36:52
Brian Atlasbiologically interact so it would be possible from the evolutionist purview yeah that in four five 6 7 million years we will be able to leave that behind us yes but I don't think considering that
00:37:03
Brian Atlasall of recorded human history is about 12,000 years old recorded human history 12,000 years old I don't think that in yeah it's going to take a long long long
00:37:15
Brian Atlastime to leave that but I guess I want to follow that up by asking if if you think it's headed that way should we be acting towards that Evolution anyway like should we change how we act interact with each other I'm not sure that it's
00:37:26
Brian Atlasheading that way I'm just telling that theoretically if you're asking is it possible then the answer is yes it's possible in millions of years you could leave that behind from thatview that doesn't mean we're evolving towards that yeah in fact it seems it seems like
00:37:39
Brian Atlaswe're evolving away from it and here's why because uh because reproductive dead ends so right now our birth the birth rates in the west the entire world are collapsing Free Fall rates everything is
00:37:51
Brian Atlasbelow replacement all over the entirety of the West the reason for this is because women are having children later in life they start about 30 the average age for marriage 30 31 and so you're
00:38:02
Brian Atlasyou're unfortunately the fertility goes way down way way way down so a lot of women are going to end up being reproductive dead ends if that's the case then probably monogamy is going to make a swing back in a big way so no I don't think we would be evolving away
00:38:14
Brian Atlasfrom it anytime soon yeah and we have those preferences there the biological preferences anyway of men find it revolting to share their women for sure so with that being said just out of curiosity you're straight and date women
00:38:26
Brian Atlasare you dating right now I'm married marri oh you're married okay so just share curiosity when you see your wife or whoever you dated before your wife whatever it was like flirting with another man or whatever is that does
00:38:38
Brian Atlasthat make you feel a type of way does that make you feel jealous you're shaking your head interested to see yeah well see because I'm so secure in what my expectations are right I would feel completely disrespected by that and I
00:38:51
Brian Atlaswould feel secure enough to say something like what the [ __ ] are you doing that's that's how that would go interesting I I mean and I you know I get that's your Vantage Point I think I
00:39:02
Brian Atlasthink that the the perview of the most secure man is a man who who will tell a woman that they won't accept their bad behavior whatever that may be so why is flirting bad behavior I'm just I'm just
00:39:13
Brian Atlasdebating you from my point of view right so I have a the best guy I've like dream relationship right and hang on hang on a sec trying question so go ahead okay go ahead oh I was just saying no I'm just
00:39:25
Brian Atlasgetting to the root when you say bad behavior is flirting it's like why is that bad behavior like that's what I trying to answer okay it's because of respect but okay so I just am going to disagree that's we can have health
00:39:38
Brian Atlasexactly we can have a healthy disagre let me ask you let me ask you this okay let us assume any random man it's a random guy random that we were to teleport you into a relationship with
00:39:50
Brian Atlashim tomorrow just some random man in the United States okay you don't know anything about him would you say that if we teleported you directly into a marriage with him and he began or you
00:40:02
Brian Atlasbegan to flirt with other guys in front of him that he would appreciate that or not appreciate that so that's just a random obscure example of like taking an alien from Mars and marrying them it's a hypothetical designed to test your logic
00:40:14
Brian Atlasso answer the question please why are you so combative today I don't know you I just met you but my oh my because because I'll explain people people often off escate away from points
00:40:26
Brian Atlaswhen they're asked to test her logic and I explain what off Escape means get away yeah they try to get away from it so here's my thing so do you think that they would be more less likely to be upset it depends on the person this is I
00:40:37
Brian Atlasknow it's a random person I your view of what's what's disrespectful and all this is completely contrarian to what I think right so when I me personally I don't
00:40:49
Brian Atlasknow about you ladies that possessive and listen I my I too have had my own Journey with this I'm not going to lie I used to be St J
00:40:58
Brian AtlasI'm me I sure I've had a journey on the joury on my journey right now lucky you um of did I meet you on your journey I don't know are you on the path of your
00:41:08
Brian Atlasjourney you me um yeah exactly any of um possessiveness and jealousy right so I'm just saying for me now it is the sexiest thing when a guy is not possessive
00:41:20
Brian Atlasjealous when he's like go ahead guys eat your heart out yeah flirt yeah whatever cuz at the end of the day she's my girl and that's and her in her power like that's just me you guys don't have to agree and I've seen it time and time
00:41:31
Brian Atlasagain it's like life is too short like just being each your individual engage with this happy to engage with be in your power and to to box your significant other be like oh you can't
00:41:42
Brian Atlasdo that you can't why wouldn't to me it's hot when girls are like oh your man is hot does some of that like possessiveness come up yes but it's hot it's like yeah be in your power baby at
00:41:53
Brian Atlasthe end of the day it's me would it be hot so you said possessiveness that's bad trying to kind of control you that's bad that's right so if you're in a monogamous relationship and you were inclined to open up the relationship and
00:42:04
Brian Atlasthen go have sex with another man would that be possessive or controlling for your man to insist that you did not do that it would have to be a mutual decision it would have to and I think the transparency is what's really cool
00:42:18
Brian Atlaswould it be insecure of him to not want that no no it depends on the person it totally depends on the I could understand why and we're not there but I could understand why a guy would be like or a woman would be like I don't I'm not down with that I don't feel comfortable
00:42:30
Brian Atlasthen so then let's back way up so I can engage exactly with what you're saying back to my this this alien Transportation hypothetical yes if you were teleported directly into a marriage with some random guy a random guy I know
00:42:43
Brian Atlasit depends on the individual totally agree do you think that do you think that that random guy would be more likely to get Jealous by you flirting or less likely my friend if it was just a random
00:42:54
Brian Atlassample depend on the guy I know it depends on the guy can you have me so here I can explain I explain exactly how you can answer it and that the conversation is if you either are you're
00:43:05
Brian Atlasnot but it's it's so let's say let's say this if 70% of the men in the United States okay 70% of the men in the United States would get jealous by their woman flirting with somebody else then if I ask you this question if you were
00:43:18
Brian Atlasrandomly teleported into a marriage with a random guy then your chances are still going to be high hang on if it's 70% of being teleported into a marriage with a guy who would be jealous right so you can't answer the question I think it is
00:43:31
Brian Atlascomment because of just if we know the way men think or we like to think we know we never will truly know but then if that's what they're expressing I to I do believe that but I think it goes to
00:43:41
Brian Atlasthe point that you were saying is that if you say to your wife this makes me feel disrespected she shouldn't do it and vice versa I think that I wouldn't be with Delaney if she wasn't pushing me
00:43:52
Brian Atlasto be a better person and calling me out of my [ __ ] and if you're not willing to take inventory and look at where you're wrong or illogical or too emotional then we can't have these conversations because we're not willing to even step
00:44:05
Brian Atlasout you know I but I agree with you that it is a personal thing maybe I can look at it at a different angle it is it empowerment like you said it's empowering for you to be able to
00:44:17
Brian Atlasflirt right with with other people okay absolutely is it also is it also empowering for you to tell a man not to flirt if it makes you UNC
00:44:27
Brian Atlasmhm yeah they're both EMP apples and oranges empowered by that it's it's total not empowering CU when you get to the root of it right you said her flirting whatever it's
00:44:39
Brian Atlasdisrespectful what is that shaking underneath really if you get to the root of it why why do I feel a type of way it's insecurity it's oh they might like this person more than more than they like me they might leave me I it's the
00:44:50
Brian Atlasopposite way if you're with a secure person a secure person has boundaries if a secure person has boundaries then actually by allowing you to do that they're showing they're an insecure person you're insecure putting your
00:45:01
Brian Atlassignificant other in a box no you're insecure demanding you're inure demanding that they go outside of their preferences that's inse find someone who has your preferences don't box them in well if you're going to find somebody
00:45:13
Brian Atlaswho has your preferences that goes all the way back to the conversation of do you think you'd find somebody who's more likely to have your preferences or not and you still refuse to answer that question it's less so my boyf my boyfriend's pretty secure right and
00:45:26
Brian Atlasthere was a point where we didn't know what we were like in relationship wise like definition because we started off as friends and then we were [ __ ] buddies and then we just ended up living together it's a whole convoluted thing but there was a point where I was
00:45:38
Unknown/Ambientflirting with some guy cuz I was like I don't know if I like anyone else and he's like well don't come cry to me if you find out that his dick's not as good as mine and he just walked away and it scared me so much that he was probably
00:45:50
Brian Atlasright that I stopped talking to the person it was really attractive that not insecurity no he was he very secure go ahead he's very secure I don't know you
00:45:59
Brian Atlassound like personally um I wouldn't even approach the idea of entering a relationship if someone's views on relationships differed from mine so I
00:46:11
Brian Atlasfeel like that's a first based conversation just to casually talk about to gauge each other's preferences
00:46:20
Brian Atlasboundaries all of it to not waste each other's time but also um I feel like me personally I if I was in a relationship
00:46:32
Brian Atlasall that matters to me is honesty and communication so I don't see myself being in a monogamous type of relationship that's just not something I want it makes work difficult it's not
00:46:43
Brian Atlasmore so for work reasons but just me and I feel like that is something that's discussed in its boundaries and obviously a relationship like that well what you're saying what you're saying is rational is reasonable but you would
00:46:55
Brian Atlashave to concede to that you could enter into a relationship with a person and they could have the pre-agreement and then after they're like wait a second this actually feels different or I can't handle it or this type of thing you
00:47:08
Brian Atlascouldn't really get mad at them for that right and that's always like if if they feel that way then obviously this is not something that would work so we just the reason I asked that is because by her
00:47:20
Brian Atlasdefinition how she just gave what she what she thinks security and insecurity is she would think that that was being insecure yeah is that security or
00:47:32
Brian Atlasinsecurity that he's in the relationship somebody what you're saying matching your no no she gets with somebody who does match it okay but then after 6 months he goes look this feels way
00:47:44
Brian Atlasdifferent than I thought it would that's fine right is he being insecure no it's about not necessarily he's being hang on hang on let her answer let her answer no not necessarily what does that mean not necessarily well it depends on the
00:47:55
Brian Atlassituation gave you situation that's the situation consent thing more than anything your consent at any time if he's like look this is it's too much which I'm sure you know you probably you
00:48:06
Brian Atlasdealt with then it's too much and okay I'm not like you're a little baby [ __ ] get but is that man being secure by staying true to these values and saying listen this feels way different than I
00:48:19
Brian Atlasthought it would I don't like it again Andrew I think it's at the root of why they don't like it so that's and it could be a little in it could be a little bit of both it could be unsecure and and how I feel and it be insecure
00:48:32
Brian Atlasand like when he keep say let's get to the that's where we're at I'm getting right at this route you do think that that is insecurity ultimately because I just said it's a mix of the two yeah
00:48:42
Brian Atlaswhat does that mean though so then it is so if it's a mix then it is boundaries and insecurity are almost like changeable words in that scenario yeah
00:48:53
Brian Atlasso if I took silver and I took gold and I melted them together there would still be silver right yes okay great so if there's insecurity plus blank there's still insecurity so you saying it's a
00:49:04
Brian Atlasmix of insecurity plus something else means you still think it's insecure right yeah so then you think it's insecure for a man to halfway you know six months into a relationship not want
00:49:17
Brian Atlasto date a porn stalker no no I said getting to the root of it if it if one of the reasons he's like this is too much it's overwhelming I said if one of the reasons deep deep down he may not even this person alien may not even
00:49:30
Brian Atlasadmit it to themselves it could be partially an insecurity it could be upbringing it could be a number of things but you Mr alien man from Elon musk's face I don't even know so in this
00:49:41
Brian Atlasscenario though he just says listen it feels different than how I thought it would feel sure okay is that is that him being secure or insecure secure secure and then I think that when walking away
00:49:53
Brian Atlaswomen can show our security by if someone says that they don't want that then you're so secure in yourself that it's okay and you can let them go to me that's my opinion like I I don't think
00:50:06
Brian Atlasif you can set a boundary that means you're secure in yourself but the thing is you guys are just talking about you have two different boundaries your future male partner has completely different boundaries and Andrew's boundaries but him setting a boundary with his wife and you setting a boundary
00:50:18
Brian Atlaswith your fut partner don't read the chat I'm not sure different boundaries I'm not sure that that's what we're disputing I agree that I have grid One Motorsports donated $200 to so
00:50:30
Richard (audience)much delusion in one panel smells like a lot of evil feminism ruining women and fear relationships Q for the panel are you feminist or do you embrace the
00:50:40
Brian Atlaspatriarchy He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer yeah thank you gri one uh so let's actually do grid one's question either or we can come back to this a bit I still we still need to get everybody's
00:50:52
Brian Atlasrelationship status so just going around the table uh are you a feminist yes or no um I feel like there's parts of feminism I agree with and there's other parts
00:51:04
Brian Atlaslike I don't feel like like with preferences in relationships right I don't think every woman wants to be the tradwife Homemaker some women like being
00:51:16
Brian Atlasindependent and that's okay so just real so just real quick and we'll get back to this but we just want to get the quick answer for the panel feminist yes uh I was going to it's the same Vibe I don't necessar think I'm not just just
00:51:29
Brian Atlasone thing just one thing guys so when we're going around the table don't be like I agree even if you agree just State your actual uh State your actual position okay and then I mean the same
00:51:41
Alex KaneVibe I mean I just agree with parts of it and not the whole thing I guess I can't say I am then if I disagree with some things so kind of okay kinda I am a
00:51:51
Brian Atlasfeminist yes okay okay yes but not in the woke way okay I'm also feminist mostly all right repeal the 19th okay all right the views expressed
00:52:01
Brian Atlasby the penist do not necessarily rep are you guys Brian and Andrew I'm not a feminist no okay are you I'm a misandrist oh Andrew stop
00:52:13
Brian Atlasokay he's not a feminist he's not a feminist oh wait mandress that would make you a manter manter okay all right I'm a misandrist he's a misandrist uh okay I feel like you could have now you
00:52:25
Brian Atlasreally quick just going back to your answer you were saying how well but you don't believe in the Trad life thing wouldn't that precisely be a feminist or do you think feminists are in favor of
00:52:35
Brian AtlasTR life that's why uh no feminists are in favor of you know female power but I lean somewhere in the middle I'm I am a
00:52:47
Brian Atlashappy medium between I love being a homemaker for my home but I also like being an independent woman who's in control of myself and my career and everything real quick yes um just one
00:52:59
Brian Atlasmore question to kind of Flesh this idea out better when we say feminism what do you think that means in like a really short concise answer I know that's difficult to do right but just so that
00:53:10
Brian Atlaswe have a general idea of what that means pushing for female equality in work home all aspects of Life Reproductive Rights what rights do we
00:53:22
Brian Atlasnot have hang hang on hang on hang on let him answer let him answer um she's like hold my ear yeah what were you going to say and then over here um I I think it
00:53:32
Brian Atlasis more about equality I think to me it's more of how we live and treat each other than wanting women to be on top necessarily I truly believe that I know
00:53:44
Brian AtlasI'm not supposed to talk about racism but I think they are intertwined and I think you can't have one with so like egalitarianism yeah essentially like what I think feminism is yeah well just what it means to you I
00:53:56
Alex Kanemean I me I guess yeah equal rights or I mean I'm not sure but I feel like what you just said you said like treating everyone with like the same respect kind of VI like that just seems like being
00:54:07
Alex Kanelike I don't know like I'm trying to think of the word just like that's like equality for everyone you know so I can't like if that's it then I don't know if that's really feminism in my mind but I do have to say so what is it to you I don't know that's kind of
00:54:20
Brian Atlaswanted to ask you guys like with that question what you guys would describe it as like in that either or sense I guess I would describe feminism as just
00:54:30
Brian Atlassupporting women to being their fullest potential of what they want to be so if you want to be a trid wife I support you 100% as a feminist in being a trid wife if you don't want to be one I also
00:54:41
Brian Atlassupport you 100% um I hadarian ISM between I've had wildly different things back and forth and I'm glad I've experienced them all and I don't think I'm lesser more of a woman compared to other women because of my life
00:54:53
Brian Atlasexperience so um but obviously feeds into equality cuz of supporting women being their highest best self then there are certain parts of society that are not equal so it makes it a little harder for us to get there okay yeah so in a
00:55:05
Brian Atlasconcise way I would say the economic cultural social equality of the sex is okay I love being a woman my whole brand and what I'm about is empowering women and this is why I say I'm not the into I'm
00:55:19
Brian Atlasnot buying into the wogue version of feminism because I think the whole patriarchy thing has gone way too far got sorry I have to stop you why are you what is to pick you keep saying woman instead of
00:55:30
Brian Atlaswomen I think it's just a weird thing I do I know that I noticed that but thank you for pointing that out why do you do that why are you pointing it out we're having such a rich
00:55:41
Brian Atlasconversation because I feel like you came to be a little [ __ ] because because there I know one when I see one there's like 20 there's like 20 different women who have been through in just the last
00:55:51
Brian Atlastwo weeks who say woman instead of women and honestly I'm just really [ __ ] confused why they do like just I'm just baffled by RS off of the tongue okay we'll talk about it ler all right but
00:56:03
Brian Atlasanyway back to your about it later I'm glad we sorted that out though I'm glad we cuz that was go ahead bothering me well it was bothering me and I'm the important one here but anyway go ahead
00:56:12
Brian Atlasto where you were yes salute to Sir Andrew everybody um would you no I like you but not that much okay back maybe by the end to your is Young
00:56:24
Brian Atlasif we can see to like you well we'll never never see ey to ey I'm a man I'm taller that's how we got to get you a stool cut on a little Tippy to TI tip
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Brian Atlastip TI Tipp to back to your definition smaller but I I pack a bigger punch than you I don't know Fun Size you
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Brian Atlasknow back to size that's right any punch man five no packing a punch erious got know Mr dat Mr debater um I was trying
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Brian Atlasto read com de to you that's right call him Master de give me the damn salute Master for sure um yes I think the whole you know I'm sure this is one
00:57:07
Brian Atlasthing that we could probably see it eye on is that the whole blaming men villainizing men for everything demonizing them they're the worst oh they're the problem for I love men like