Andrew Wilson vs. Woke Male Feminist Hater | Whatever Debates #17
Date: 2025-05-16
Duration: 5h 42m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_03Raphael Gomez(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:13
IntroBrian introduces debate format
00:01:22
Key MomentRaphael's opening: red pill is poison backed by peer-reviewed research
00:39:00
ControversyRaphael says 'f*** the logic' when pushed on child support justification. Brian and Andrew react with disbelief.
01:31:00
ControversyAndrew tells Raphael to 'shut the f*** up.' Most heated moment.
02:56:00
Key MomentRaphael concedes: if Christian ethics helps depressed men, he's fine with it
03:38:30
AgreementBoth agree to Round 2 debate
Topics Discussed
00:04:00
Red Pill Definition
Andrew: red pill is descriptive data packet. Raphael: it's defined by its biggest creators (Whatever, Fresh & Fit, Tate).
00:32:00
Red Pill and Male Mental Health
Raphael cites studies linking red pill to loneliness/distress. Andrew challenges replication crisis. Cohabitation vs marriage suicide rates.
00:41:00
Feminism and Single Motherhood
Andrew: feminist ideology dismantled marriage. Raphael: men abandon children (95% of custody uncontested by fathers).
01:42:00
Therapy and Psychology
Raphael advocates CBT. Andrew challenges psychology's 60-70% replication failure rate.
02:18:00
Masculinity Definition
Raphael: healthy masculinity is expansive. Andrew finds definition circular. Major meta-argument about debate methodology.
03:24:04
Closing Statements
Raphael: red pill not for everyone, seek alternatives. Andrew: opponent offered no coherent prescription.
03:29:00
Post-Debate Roast
Military draft, historical female oppression, natalism. Raphael reveals he is 41, married, deliberately child-free.
Transcript
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03:58:29
SPEAKER_04uh or the right to force its citizenry uh into a military conflict if the government has deemed it necessary to do
03:58:36
SPEAKER_04so. Uh again what would women's duty or what should women's duties be under the current system? I I don't have one. I don't I don't have any kind of prescription for that. Would you say
03:58:49
SPEAKER_04this for example? So, uh, one of the arguments for why women aren't subject to military conscription is in the example of some catastrophic war, you ought to protect the women because they
03:58:59
SPEAKER_04would be able to repopulate the the uh the the nation. They could repopulate the nation cuz, you know, you could have one man impregnate 100 women. Doesn't work the other way. Yeah, I've heard
03:59:09
SPEAKER_04that. Um, but do you think for example, like let let me ask you this. Granting that a specific government is not going to get rid of the draft. Uh, you would
03:59:21
SPEAKER_04agree that well, I mean, this might even be your own position. Let's say there's a a belligerent nation, and this is hypothetical. So, let's talk about the United States. Let's say uh China
03:59:34
SPEAKER_04decides to invade us. And you know that the uh doctrine of the Chinese invading force or the government or whatever it is, uh they're going to if they successfully invade the United States,
03:59:47
SPEAKER_04they're going to put all the men to the sword and they're going to take all the women as war brides and they're essentially going to essay all the women. Okay?
03:59:56
SPEAKER_04And the as the the US military currently stands in this hypothetical with just the volunteer force, the volunteer force would not be capable of the military intelligence they do have. The military
04:00:08
SPEAKER_04force would not be able to repel or defeat the invading Chinese army military. However, you know with certainty if you were to draft men that
04:00:19
SPEAKER_04you would be able to repel the invading Chinese military force. Would you under this circumstance force men to fight if let's say you were the dictator of the United States?
04:00:32
Raphael GomezI think I would under my worldview because if I think the right thing to do is to try to protect the innocent even though innocent men are also involved in this. Um I think it's still the right thing to
04:00:45
SPEAKER_04do and it sucks but I think that's kind of what I think right and I think perhaps the calculation here is you know that by forcing these men to go and fight you are sending men to go and die
04:00:56
SPEAKER_04and men will go and die right innocent men but if you don't they're going to die anyways and all the women are going to get raped by the invading Chinese right my question to you now is this
04:01:06
SPEAKER_04though is that in a similar scenario let's say We projected, we knew with certainty, I don't know, it's again hypothetical. In 20 years time, we knew
04:01:18
SPEAKER_04that the Chinese were going to invade in 20 years, but we knew our our population wasn't large enough to fend off this invading force. And the only solution to
04:01:28
SPEAKER_04this would be to have a draft for women to give birth to children immediately so that we would have the necessary and requisite population in 20 years time to
04:01:39
SPEAKER_04fend off this coming invasion. Would you instill a uh birth draft? And to be clear, the women could pick their partners and have consensual sex, but the government would essentially say,
04:01:50
Raphael Gomez"You must do this. You must have children. Otherwise, all the men are going to be put to the sword and you guys will all get great." I would not force it. If that was if women wanted
04:02:01
Raphael Gomezand couples and husbands and wives wanted to volunteer for that, fine. But I would not make it a mandatory thing. Um but if you didn't make it a mandatory thing, the enough people that would want to do it. The entailment of it would be
04:02:14
SPEAKER_04if not a women not enough women gave birth, there wouldn't be a substantial enough uh fighting age population in 20 years time. And so in this instance, uh even if you're forcing or if you don't
04:02:26
SPEAKER_04force the women to give birth, then all the men get put to the sword and all the women get taken as war brides. Um I don't know. I I I have I have trouble with that. I It just doesn't sit right.
04:02:38
Raphael GomezIt's very handmade still tail to me and that just seems completely dystopian. Um, so hypothetical. Yeah. I I don't think I I don't think that's something I would do if I was the leader of the
04:02:48
Raphael Gomezcountry. I would either try to find another way. Um, but or try to encourage people to do it on their own without it being forced. I think those were would be my first two options. If push came to
04:03:00
SPEAKER_04shove and it was they're going to die anyway, then maybe there's something. But it's just I would try to other options first. Do do you think uh giving birth is a is a uh when you otherwise
04:03:11
Raphael Gomezwouldn't want to is like a bigger grievance than men dying? Um not necessarily a bigger grievance, but it is an undertaking that takes quite some time and it's beyond just pregnancy.
04:03:24
Raphael GomezIt's also raising the children and feeding the children and doing all that. So, it's a longer engagement and men aren't guaranteed to die in the war. Some will. So, I think if you're guaranteeing women to be forced to have
04:03:36
SPEAKER_04pregnancies, I think that's different than the potential to die. Sure. We got some chats coming through. We have, give me one sec, guys. Jason Cassell. Uh-oh.
04:03:45
Brian AtlasJason Castle donated $69. You really are an idiot. Over 8% of men were drafted during Vietnam. Around 33% of men were drafted in the 20th
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Raphael Gomezcentury in the USA. It's not true. You are a fing idiot. It's not true. I'd like to see your numbers. What Jason's saying is not true or Yeah, it's Yeah, his numbers are too high. I don't know. I don't know if he he You
04:04:10
Raphael Gomezknow what he's looking at? I think he's looking at eligible 33%. Yeah. Yeah. 8% and 33%. He's looking at eligible men for the draft instead of just the total male population. Yeah. But I mean like
04:04:21
SPEAKER_04men who are in their 60s wouldn't be drafted. Theoretically, we're all going to get to our 60s. So Jason Cassell, can you clarify? Are you talking cuz like the drafting age I think is between like 18 and 25 26 I think he's looking at
04:04:34
SPEAKER_04eligible I'm talking about total male population people who have been drafted. Okay. Uh let's see here. We have uh Noodles. Thank you man. Appreciate it
04:04:43
Brian Atlasguys. $69 $69 $69 TTS forward to the upcoming content. Brian Raphael, why do you advocate for equal opportunity and
04:04:54
Raphael Gomeznot actual equality? I think RP is encouraged from this. Keep telling men life is tough though. Um I don't know if I'm saying men life
04:05:04
Raphael Gomezis tough. I don't remember if I said that. But um I don't necess my version of feminism is not forcing outcomes. It's forcing uh or it's basically giving opportunity. So equality would be
04:05:17
Raphael Gomezforcing outcomes and I don't believe that's what it is. I think everyone if they're capable should have the opportunity to do something. That is my version of it. I don't think forcing
04:05:26
SPEAKER_04equality is what I'm advocating for. All right, guys. $69 TTS. We have a few more coming in. We have Lucas again. Thank you, Lucas. Appreciate it. Lucas
04:05:38
Brian Atlasdonated $69. My man, and I use that term loosely, just defined feminism in a nutshell. Opportunity/s without reciprocal duties/obligations. thought men are more
04:05:51
Raphael Gomezcapable, therefore they should be happy to die. I mean, if the only prescription is that women's duties is that they should have children, I mean, I think that's lazy. I just think that's like, well, they should have kids. Like, no, I
04:06:02
SPEAKER_04don't I don't believe that. Wait, you should you don't think women should have kids? As a duty? Oh, as a duty. Okay. Uh although shouldn't it I perhaps it's not
04:06:14
Raphael Gomeza duty for all women, but like would you say maybe the majority of women should have children? I wouldn't I again I wouldn't say should I think the people who are deciding to have children today often are people who have made the
04:06:26
Raphael Gomezcalculated economic decision to do so and they are in a better position to be parent good parents in my opinion. So I think we're not necessarily looking for numbers and volume. I think we're looking for good parents and good
04:06:37
Brian Atlasfamilies. I think that's the ideal not volume. We have Najib. Thank you for this donated
04:06:47
Brian Atlas$69. How do you define male privilege, women being oppressed, sexism or feminism if you don't believe in I have definitions for sex or gender? I would
04:06:58
Raphael Gomezsay male privilege is mostly because we have men have mostly been the people in power. So they um are less likely to have ever been oppressed. I mean I know men go through oppression um as well.
04:07:10
Raphael GomezBut if you look at it from a perspective of women, they have been far more oppressed than men. Have they? Yes, I would make that case. How so? Because I believe oppression is the systematic
04:07:22
Raphael Gomezdenial of rights and resources. So, for example, women couldn't go to college, women couldn't vote, women couldn't own land, women couldn't have bank accounts. That's more oppressive to me because it's systematic. Let's talk about voting
04:07:32
SPEAKER_04for just a sec. Uh what is the period of time, at least in the United States, that uh almost all or all men had the right to vote and women didn't? Uh I don't
04:07:44
SPEAKER_04remember. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's uh if I I could be off by a couple years, but I believe it's 50 years. That's a period of time between when men all men or almost all men had the right
04:07:55
SPEAKER_04to vote and all women had the right to vote. Before that, most men most women they they couldn't vote, right? You had a you had small groups of concentrated
04:08:06
SPEAKER_04power. You had monarchies, very small people. Voting is a really super new past couple hundred years. you go back even 200 years, most men couldn't vote,
04:08:17
SPEAKER_04most women couldn't vote. The way that men uh got the right to vote is because they had to go to war. Yeah. At a point in time. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like if you
04:08:28
SPEAKER_04you if you look at so women got the right to vote in 1920, right? What happened just before then? World War I. World War I. And so it's interesting
04:08:38
SPEAKER_04conveniently for for women and I suppose feminists that they got the right to vote uh right after the mo at least at the time. World War II had higher casualty
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SPEAKER_04count. Although you could argue that in many ways World War I was uh much more brutal in in in many ways the trench warfare and the soldiers were on the front for way longer than you know
04:09:02
SPEAKER_04they'd be like in perpetuity on the front. Um whereas like in World War II they to they shift out and it was a bit different but it was World War II was
04:09:11
SPEAKER_04also really of course um but the the most barbaric war that had ever been seen up until that point most casualties etc etc. Uh women conveniently secured the right to vote right after it because
04:09:24
SPEAKER_04one of the concerns of the suffragettes was well if we secure the right to vote as women we're going to be subject to to military conscription. feminists were able to secure the right to vote without
04:09:36
SPEAKER_04any corresponding responsibility. And that responsibility duty would be having to go to war. Sure. And so I mean and and again men got that because they had
04:09:48
SPEAKER_04to basically be willing to die. Yeah. They had to be at one point it wasn't that. So some at one point it was also land ownership and things like that. There there were other differences too.
04:09:57
SPEAKER_04But I mean this this idea though that that women that men for like millennia had like all men Mhm. I I will actually grant to you that like throughout most
04:10:09
SPEAKER_04of human history the men which by the way was a very very small percentage like 0001% of men had power. The rest were like the peasant peasant the peasantry class oppression too you know
04:10:21
SPEAKER_04right? But so like the top apex of men, yeah, they're the ones who did have power. Yeah. But like that doesn't speak to the 99.99% of men who were just as oppressed
04:10:31
SPEAKER_04and who had Honestly, I would argue throughout history, at least my big argument here was is as it relates to warfare, women have often been shielded by the barbarity of war. Absolutely.
04:10:43
SPEAKER_04Women have been shielded from having to participate. They're protected. Typically, at least, you know, your own civilization, your own population, your own nation, your own society, women are are protected. Yeah. Are protected. And
04:10:56
Raphael Gomezso, I mean, no, I see what you're saying. I I I'm not denying that men have been oppressed. There's obviously been oppression of men as well. I think though, as time progressed, men got more and more privileges that women didn't.
04:11:08
Raphael GomezSame with minorities. You know, there was oppression with minorities as well. you know, slaves had to appeal to white men in order to get free. You know, there's been oppression of different classes, races, and and and things like
04:11:19
Raphael Gomezthat. And I and men obviously have been oppressed, too. Um, but I think as time has progressed, men had more and more agency, and women didn't. And I think even if you're talking about voting,
04:11:32
Raphael Gomezlet's let's take voting off the table, just being women being able to own land or women being able to have a certain job, those were, you know, taken from them. And that's why I define it as oppression. Now, voting, I think anyone should have the right to vote because
04:11:44
Raphael Gomezit's their country. They have a right to say. I think if you're a disabled man, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to vote because you can't go to war. So, I I I think, you know, uh in terms of denying resources and rights, women,
04:11:56
SPEAKER_04minorities have had it worse than, let's say, white men uh in general. Uh I mean, it's perhaps on that specific front. You said denial of resources and and rights.
04:12:08
SPEAKER_04systematic denial of resources and rights. A systematic denial of resources and rights. Okay. So, and the examples you provided were what? Like land ownership? Land
04:12:20
SPEAKER_04ownership. Uh certain jobs, going to school. Tell me what year do you think women were allowed to own property and land? Uh they weren't allowed to have, you know, debt and and bank accounts and
04:12:34
Raphael Gomezthings like that for a long time. So, they weren't owning land until I mean, as far as I'm aware, they weren't owning land for quite some time. Uh, women have always been able to own land. Okay, maybe that's a bad example. My my
04:12:44
SPEAKER_04understanding of it is that when women were married, any property that she had became her essentially her husband's. That's my understanding of it. Oh,
04:12:54
SPEAKER_04interesting. And if the marital couple, they owned land, it was like in his name. women in the 1800s in the United States, 1900s, they could own land. Maybe that's a bad example. Maybe I'm
04:13:07
SPEAKER_04maybe I'm wrong about that. But for example, uh a father in his will could bequeath to say he only had daughters. If if if it was actually true that women
04:13:19
SPEAKER_04could not own property or own land in the event that a father uh a father of only daughters and he has say three
04:13:28
SPEAKER_04three or even one remaining heir uh one daughter two daughters three daughters where would the property go to? Probably the daughters. So they could own
04:13:39
SPEAKER_04property and they could own theoretically but but I'm saying if a woman wanted it's not just theoretically in practice women owned land they could buy land. Okay like I said this is pro
04:13:50
Raphael Gomezthis might be a bad example but that doesn't mean women could have their own resources to purchase land. Maybe they inherited it or maybe it came through something else but women didn't weren't able to work in highpaying jobs for a
04:14:02
Raphael Gomezlot highpaying jobs in this country for quite some time. Like I said, they couldn't practice medicine or finance or uh law 55 years ago. That's when someone 55 Hold on. It's in the 1970s. Hold on.
04:14:15
SPEAKER_04You're saying there were no female lawyers prior to the 1970s? That's correct. I'm going to have to I need to fact check this. Uh when you're ser just to be clear, there were no no female lawyers. Women could not practice law
04:14:28
SPEAKER_04until around the 1970s. When could women practice law? And this
04:14:38
SPEAKER_04was hold on. So I'm and if you can correct me if I'm wrong. So the first formal admission of a woman to the bar
04:14:47
SPEAKER_04was in 1869 with Arabella Mansfield's admission in Iowa. By 1879, federal law allowed qualified women to practice in any federal court
04:15:00
SPEAKER_04and Belva Lockwood became the first woman admitted to the bar of the sup Supreme Court. You're like a century off 1870 1869. I'm telling you in large I'm
04:15:12
SPEAKER_04telling you in large practice women couldn't practice law or men until 1970s. That's correct. Where's the evidence for this? I I looked it up. This claim is completely dubious. I looked it up, dude. So you're saying by
04:15:22
SPEAKER_04law they were procluded, excuse me. Same way women were procluded from going to school. Same way women could go to school to college. Yes. Okay. I believe there are perhaps some private schools
04:15:34
SPEAKER_04that uh didn't allow them in. I think that's I'm I'm not denying that there weren't specific schools that barred women from entry. But my understanding is in the starting in the 1800s, women
04:15:46
SPEAKER_04had access to higher education. Let's say I'm wrong about all those things. Could women, let's say, could women have their own bank account? Could women have their own bank account? Uh, you tell me. I don't They couldn't. That was
04:15:59
Raphael Gomezfactually true. It's factually. I mean, look, I want to look at what you're looking at. Maybe my data was wrong. I doubt it, but I I definitely would be curious. But, um, do we have any more chats? Yeah, there are some more chats.
04:16:11
SPEAKER_04Uh, hold on. I just had one thing on the bank thing. Um my understanding here though um with this women couldn't have bank accounts
04:16:22
SPEAKER_04and I'd like to research it because on look I honestly it's not a specific category of like historical feminism that I'm aware of. What I've heard though is many banks they required
04:16:33
SPEAKER_04married women to have a husband co-signing or a brother mostly but that was due to them being a unit. It was due to them not being able to secure credit. Pretty sure.
04:16:46
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but I um um something about credit. Uh hold on. Something about banks. Anyways, here. Let me get through the chats just cuz we got to try to get this
04:16:57
SPEAKER_04wrapped up soon. But we will get these chats read, guys. $69 TTS if you want to get it. You know what? Maybe we got to do a little more roast session. Hold on.
04:17:05
Brian AtlasWe got Daniel here. Thank you, Daniel. Appreciate it. Daniel_Mace donated $69. It's funny. You say you care about men's
04:17:14
Brian Atlasmental health, then say let's go extinct in pursuit of women's jobs and autonomy. Doesn't sound like you care. Love logic
04:17:23
Raphael Gomezthough, right? I don't think women pursuing jobs means men's mental health has to be sacrificed in that process. I said an extreme thing that I think if
04:17:34
Raphael Gomezpeople don't have autonomy, I don't see a point in in living. So that's I mean if I'm not going to live, you know, in a in an oppressed way if I don't have to. So I I don't know. That's how I feel. I
04:17:45
SPEAKER_04think didn't you say earlier that uh when it came to like free will and agency, you wouldn't sacrifice that to uh save the human species? Correct.
04:17:57
SPEAKER_04Question for you. What if you had to force one woman? Oh Jesus. Hold on. It's not going to be bad. She couldn't have a career. You had to force her. You're
04:18:07
SPEAKER_04like, "No, lady." One lady, one lady, you can't have a career and you and if you you you put a a restriction on her
04:18:17
SPEAKER_04free will, but it saves the entire human species. Do you do it? I'd be open to it, but she open to it. I'd be open to it. You Well, hold on. You'd be open to it. I'd be open to it. So, I have to
04:18:28
SPEAKER_04sleep on it. I have to You got to sleep on it. She can't be a boss, babe. Hold on. She can't She can't be an HR rep lady. Hold on. Why can't she just be Why can't she just be a boss, Brian? A boss? Yeah. Why can't women are 43% of the
04:18:42
SPEAKER_04entrepreneurs in this country? They can just be bosses. They don't have to be a boss babe. They can just be bosses. Oh, okay. We're Are we Is this like a criticism of the term boss babe? No. A little bit. A little bit. Women use this term. They do. They do. I'm not I'm not
04:18:55
Raphael Gomezsaying they don't. I'm not saying they don't. I'm not saying they don't. It's just sometimes let's just think about it. That's all. You're right. Okay. So, but you Oh, I you know would you would you do it? I'd have to have a
04:19:06
SPEAKER_04long conversation with her. You Why would you got to Cuz I'm I'm restricting this woman's agency. I'd have to see. You have 10 seconds to make the choice. It's like the the uh trolley dilemma.
04:19:18
SPEAKER_04So, okay. I hate the trolley dilemma. Yeah. So, save all of humanity. Save all of humanity or uh but if you don't, I would choose humanity. Okay. All right. Ridiculous question. Ridiculous
04:19:30
Brian Atlasquestion. Thank you, Josh Brooks. Josh Brooks donated $69. Appreciate it, brother. Lol. Boots on the ground is not a support role. See, you just reverted back to saying they should just be in
04:19:41
Raphael Gomezsupport roles. What is your stance? I'm confused. I I don't know. I don't think I changed my stance. My stance is if I believe men should be the ones doing most of the combat. If women want to
04:19:54
Raphael Gomezvolunteer in support roles, they can. But if we're talking about a forced draft of women, which I don't advocate for. If we do a force draft of women, I don't advocate for them being combat roles. I advocate for them being in support
04:20:05
Raphael Gomezroles. That's my position. Front straight to the front line. They don't even get training. You just here's a gun. Just send them. Lucas donated $69.
04:20:16
Brian AtlasThank you, Lucas. One/Me steelman your position. Men have duties/obligations. BC. they should just do the right thing. But women shouldn't have any duties to society whatsoever.
04:20:28
Raphael GomezIn other words, a definition of feminism. I mean, I I think when people are talking about women's duties, what are they actually talking about besides going to war, which I think most of us
04:20:40
Raphael Gomezagree that that's not what we're trying to do. The only other option that I hear as like a duty for women is forcing them to have or they should have a duty to have children. I don't believe in that. So, unless you can come up with another
04:20:51
SPEAKER_04duty that you think women should do, I'm open to it. But that's the only one I hear. All right, guys. Reminder, $69 TTS. If you want to get a roast in,
04:21:00
Brian Atlasguys, want to get a roast in. Lucas Lucas donated $69 is a female supremacy movement. Double salute. Wow. A woman has got you joyful trained real good.
04:21:12
Raphael GomezOh, it it changed it. It said biat. Yeah, it changed. What? What? What word got changed? Wow. your woman has got trained. Female supremacy movement. Is he saying feminism is a female supremacy
04:21:24
SPEAKER_04movement? The bread winner uh in your We've actually switched back and forth, but right now it's her. Okay. Yeah. But there were lots of times where I was. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off there as you were I didn't understand his question honestly. Um no,
04:21:37
SPEAKER_04I don't think feminism is a female supremacy. Yeah. He said, "In other words, your definition of of feminism is a female supremacy movement." I don't see it as supremacy in any way. It's equal opportunity. That's not supremacy.
04:21:49
SPEAKER_04We have some super chats we're going to read. If you want $69 TTS, the state of things, yet another example of a feminist coming in and saying their observations of truth and women nature is bad and should be ignored because it hurts women. Oh, and ignore that it's
04:22:01
Raphael Gomezbad for men and it sucks to suck, but suck it up, s I'm not sure what I'm saying is bad. Feminists truth of and women in nature is bad. I don't I don't know because it
04:22:13
SPEAKER_04hurt. I don't know. I don't really know what to make of that. Oh, what the [ __ ] Sorry. I don't know what Sorry. I don't know what the [ __ ] that was. It was Andrew taking Did we Did I pull this one? I just pulled this one up, right? Yes. Yeah. All right,
04:22:26
SPEAKER_04guys. $69 TTS. We have a few more coming through here. You know what we're going to Here's what we're going to do. We're going to do a $30 roast. We're going to lower it to 30. Then we're going to wrap the show. We're going to do uh $299
04:22:37
SPEAKER_04roast. If you want, you guys want to get it in. We'll do We'll do an actual roast roast session. You can roast me, guys. You can roast me. can roast the ghost of Andrew. Yep, he's still there. The ghost
04:22:49
SPEAKER_04of Andrew passed or something. Uh, let me get that changed up. Um, do you have any final thoughts? Or actually, wait, no, we already did closing statement. Now we're just I'll repeat it to anybody who wants to hear it though, you know.
04:23:00
Raphael GomezSo, are you down though to come back and do a round two? Absolutely. Absolutely. A thousand%. I wanted Jim Bob said he wanted to bait me too. Really? Yeah. I I cuz I was I was DMing him. Okay. We had an interesting conversation. So, I'd love to talk to Jim Bob, too, cuz I
04:23:13
SPEAKER_04think he's got some interesting points. You're nearby. You're in SoCal, so we got Michael G. Men are more capable of war, so we have a draft, but if birth rates get too low, women are only
04:23:23
SPEAKER_04capable of having kids. Should we force them to do so? Both result in a fallen nation. Michael G, thank you so much, man, for that super chat. A fair dilemma. I don't believe we should force
04:23:36
SPEAKER_04anyone, but I definitely don't think we should force women to have children. All right, there it is, guys. We're doing a $30 TTS to wrap up the show. So, get it in. If you want to roast Raphael, it's
04:23:48
SPEAKER_04Raphael. Bring it. Just want to make sure I [ __ ] that up. If you want to get a little roast in, we're doing that. Uh, hold on. Let me get that all set up here super quick.
04:23:58
SPEAKER_04Uh, Raphael, what do you think about um what do you think about uh you know just abolishing feminist studies program programs in universities? Do you
04:24:10
Raphael Gomezthink that would be good? I don't. Are you on board? Not necessarily. I I I mean I personally believe if people want to study whatever they want in college, they can. Um, I don't Yeah, I mean, I
04:24:22
Raphael Gomezdon't think it's going to lead to a, you know, hiring career, but if people want to learn about the subject, I think that's okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, there you there you go. Um, but, you know, maybe
04:24:33
SPEAKER_04we should just abolish it. What do you think? No, just get rid of Oh my god, I screwed this up already. Hold on. I can't type, guys. 29.90. There it is. Oh
04:24:43
SPEAKER_04[ __ ] Dang it, guys. Get a roast in so I can uh so I can take a break real quick. Uh, all right. We have Josh Brooks here with another message. Thank you, Josh
04:24:54
Brian AtlasBrooks. Appreciate Josh Brooks donated $69. Thank you. Okay, but that's my point on your stance. You say you would be fine if they wanted to be on the front lines, but now you say they should
04:25:06
Raphael Gomezbe in support roles. Don't be wishy-washy. Pick one lane. Do you want to pick a lane? Um, what I'm saying is that if women
04:25:18
Raphael Gomezvolunteer to be on the front lines, go for it. But if we're conscripting women, I don't think we should force them to be on the front lines. Conscripting women
04:25:29
SPEAKER_04shouldn't force them. I, you know, look, I would I think they should make it a uh like maybe HBO could host a pay-per-view for the war between women, you know,
04:25:42
SPEAKER_04women versus women. And it's it's televised for pay-per-view. H yeah, it would we would raise a lot of the GDP would go up. It would be just on that. It would I'm surprised the United States
04:25:54
SPEAKER_04government hasn't done like peak capitalism like Okay, we're going to do war pay-per-view. I mean, that [ __ ] would be insane. We'll be out of debt in no time. That would be crazy, son. Okay.
04:26:06
SPEAKER_04Uh let's see. What do we have? What do we got? We got some We got some super chats, guys. It's been lowered. $30 TTS. Get a roast in if you want. Christopher, if the goal is equal opportunity and women have the opportunity to opt out of
04:26:17
SPEAKER_04motherhood via abortion, why shouldn't men have the opportunity to opt out of fatherhood via surrendering paternal rights, not paying child support? Okay, so here's my my position on this. I
04:26:28
Raphael Gomezthink if the the woman and the and the man agree that he can, you know, forego his pronal rights and and you know, payment, the child support payments, which by the way, I want everybody to
04:26:41
Raphael Gomezknow their only average child support payment is $440. So, let's just pump the brakes here. Um, but if the man wants to for and the women agrees, totally cool with that. Um, but it's not equal
04:26:53
Raphael Gomezopportunity because men do not have the opportunity to be pregnant. So, it's not equal opportunity and it can't be unfortunately in that situation.
04:27:03
SPEAKER_04But you said, wait, hold on. You said if the woman agrees. So, what if the man cuz like what if the man's like, "Eh, it was a one night stand. I wasn't intending to be a father. We were just
04:27:15
Raphael Gomezhooking up." She's like, "I'm going to keep the kid." I would agree is her right to do, right? I agree it's her right. And I think if a man I mean if you guys are also you know
04:27:27
Raphael Gomezagainst promiscuity I mean men should know the risk of potentially impregnating somebody. And I believe that a man should take care of a kid if he has one. Now if they agree that hey I don't need you to be in his life or her
04:27:39
Raphael Gomezlife. It's totally fine. Let's sign a contract. You don't need to make child support payments. Hey that's between them. But I think if a man just opts out on his own I don't agree with that. But
04:27:51
Raphael Gomezyou're you are uh pro-choice, right? I am. Um and just curious uh do you have a cut off for I mean kind of. Okay. So it's tough. Um but
04:28:04
Raphael Gomezsomething I've been mulling about I haven't given it that much thought but for example if a if someone has a miscarriage a death certificate is not issued right.
04:28:16
Raphael GomezUm I'm not sure. I believe a death I believe a death certificate for a miscarriage is not issued till about 20 weeks. If a miscarriage happens after 20 weeks, I think in the state of
04:28:28
SPEAKER_04California, you that death certificate is issued. Well, what's your cut off for abortion? Probably 20 weeks. Okay. So, you favor of like third trimester abortion. And but the vast majority
04:28:38
SPEAKER_04aren't done that late. Sure. Um, I guess though when it comes to the men having the right to escape, uh, child support for a child that they didn't want, uh, like what would you, if there was a man
04:28:49
SPEAKER_04sitting across from you, sitting right there, Andrew, he was like, "Raphael, look, man. I'm I'm 21 years
04:29:00
SPEAKER_04old. I I've been hooking up with this girl. I thought she was on birth control. She got pregnant. I'm not financially ready to have the kid. I just don't want to be a father. I'm not
04:29:12
Raphael Gomezready. Whatever it is, what would you tell them? I would tell them, do you think the woman is also in that position? Because if she is, you should help out. What do you mean if she's also not financially ready to take care of a
04:29:23
SPEAKER_04child? Yeah. But what would you say to him in in the sense of the reasons he's given you for why he doesn't want I would say, yeah, that sucks. But if
04:29:34
Raphael Gomezshe's going to have the child and she's also not financially capable or ready in her life to do it, but she doesn't believe in abortion and she wants to have the child, then he should take care
04:29:44
SPEAKER_04of it. And so now I want to switch it. Okay, you have a woman sitting there and she says the exact same thing. She says, "Look, you know, uh, my birth control
04:29:54
SPEAKER_04failed. I don't want to have a kid. I'm not financially ready. I don't want to be a mother. I'm not ready to raise a kid. uh what would you say to her if it's before 20 weeks and my to be consistent
04:30:07
Raphael GomezI would say I don't think you should have the child because I don't think I don't agree my goal is children raise in great homes and if you are not ready to raise a child and that child could have a bad life just I don't believe in just
04:30:21
Raphael Gomezbreeding for the sake of breeding so if that child is not going to have a good life due to the circumstances I don't think it's I I I think she should be able to get uh termination of pregnancy
04:30:30
SPEAKER_04and the guy who you were giving advice to. Uh would you maybe have you might say to him, for example, you should have thought of that before you had sex. For sure. I I would say that's a bad that's
04:30:42
SPEAKER_04a bad on her to like Yeah, there consequences for having sex. And would you say that to the woman? Probably. Yeah. Okay. But she can always escape escape her situation through an abortion. Sure. Because she's the one
04:30:54
SPEAKER_04that has to go through the pregnancy, right? But don't you think for the sake of equality, men should be granted in instances and cases and states where women do have abortion rights, men
04:31:05
SPEAKER_04should have a corresponding right. Uh it's often called by men's rights activists as legal paternal surrender. The more uh the other term is paper abortion. They typically don't like that term, but but legal paternal surrender.
04:31:18
SPEAKER_04Essentially, as a man, you could say, "Hey, uh I didn't want to have the kid. I don't want to be financially responsible for 18 years. I don't want I I relinquish any paternal rights uh parental rights that I have, but I don't
04:31:31
SPEAKER_04want to be financially responsible for the kid. It seems to me if you're saying to the woman, well, you have this exit of and you didn't like this the way Andrew categorized this. Uh he considers
04:31:43
SPEAKER_04it murder, right? You don't like that categorization. If the woman can murder the child, the unborn child, uh what would actually be wrong with then men wanting to just not have to be
04:31:55
Raphael Gomezfinancially uh tied to the child? Yeah. Once it's born. Well, I want to clarify that I'm not necessarily saying equality. I'm saying equal opportunity. And men do not have the opportunity to be pregnant. So,
04:32:08
Raphael GomezI think women have that that's the sole thing they have the opportunity to do. So if they make the decision to keep the child, that is a risk men take if they impregnate somebody. And I think again from my worldview of masculinity, doing
04:32:19
SPEAKER_04the right thing would be taking care of that child. So um if uh you know what's abortion then what do you mean? Well um just one point of clarification. you
04:32:30
SPEAKER_04when you say you're against third trimester abortion, do you say like for your own like in terms of your own view, but like let's say a woman she wanted a third trimester abortion. Would you like
04:32:42
Raphael Gomezby law do you think those should be precluded? Um I don't know. I that's tough. It's tough. I don't I wouldn't support it myself like hey if I if I if I somebody
04:32:55
SPEAKER_04was pregnant they were 20 weeks past I wouldn't say you should get an abortion. But you would be open. Let's say there are there's a cohort of women out there who if they were pregnant and if they
04:33:07
SPEAKER_04were in the third trimester and if they wanted to get an abortion, you would not have any guard rails or laws or anything like that preventing them from getting the abortion say at 9 months. I would need
04:33:20
Raphael Gomezto understand, I think, the medical aspect of that a bit more because I know most abortions that take place early are done through pills and there's very it's it's quite simple of a process. If it's that late, I think it enters kind of a
04:33:33
SPEAKER_04territory I'm uncomfortable with. So, I I'd have to I'd have to understand that a bit more. Yeah. No, you're you are right. Like when it's really early on in the the pregnancy, they can take a pill, which are the vast majority of abortions. Yeah. And uh but I I my
04:33:46
SPEAKER_04understanding is once it gets a little further on in the pregnancy the I don't know the exact procedure. I I think they uh there there can still be pills or
04:33:57
SPEAKER_04something that they take but they still then they have to remove the fetus and there's like maybe I heard again I'm not an expert this is not an expert field for me but uh they vacuum it out or something. I've heard that too. I have
04:34:09
Raphael Gomezno idea. I I don't know. It could be fear mongering, but again, I know that the vast majority aren't done that way. Sure. Um, but yeah, in this hypothetical, you know, it is tough. I I definitely think if you're at 20 weeks
04:34:21
Raphael Gomezand you haven't made a decision or you change your mind, I mean, that's a bad that's a bad place to be. It shouldn't be that way. All right, we got we're going to let the chats come through. We got Noodle Zoodle. Noodle Zoodle donated $30. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. I
04:34:33
Brian Atlasneed an explanation as how equal opportunity is not a fancy way of saying female privilege. giving benefits without the consequences or responsibilities is the problem. But I
04:34:45
Raphael Gomezalso said that I don't believe men have inherent duties beyond my own view of what masculinity is. I don't believe men I don't believe you're born into this world and you're automatically given a
04:34:55
Raphael Gomezduty. Um so I I it's consistent in my view with women. I don't consider that privilege at all. If a man doesn't want to do the right thing and be a piece of garbage, well their men do that every
04:35:07
Raphael Gomezday. they're able to do that without any sense of duty. I feel the same way about women. If they don't want to, you know, I don't think they're inherently given a duty at birth that they must adhere to beyond obviously obeying the laws, which
04:35:19
Brian Atlasthere's consequences for if you don't. All right, I'm going to just let these chats come through. There's quite a few. We got Nick. Nick donated $30. Thank you. Appreciate it, man. Brian, you need to take a bio break. I've seen better
04:35:31
Brian Atlasmoderating on a leftist Tik Tok panel. Raphael, you're a [ __ ] who prescribes the same DGEN behavior as Destiny, but with dumber arguments. I don't think I promote degeneracy. I mean, I personally
04:35:44
Raphael Gomezdon't have a problem with like high body counts, but that doesn't mean I'm saying you should. If you don't, if you have a preference for not a high body count, you're within your right to do that. Absolutely say this is not what I'm looking for. Everyone has preferences.
04:35:56
SPEAKER_04You should pick people based on your preferences. Wait, I think during the show Andrew might have asked you this, but uh I know you're married, but if you were single or when you were single, would you like
04:36:07
SPEAKER_04let's say you knew like the girl told you or some [ __ ] she has a body count of He said like a thousand. He said, I think he said like five five Yeah.
04:36:16
Raphael Gomezfigure 10,000. Sure. Would you would you hit um as long as I got a STD test back and I cared about the person? Yeah. 10 10,000 bodies. If there's no STD or risk
04:36:28
SPEAKER_04to me, then why not? What about what about let's Okay, cuz you could maybe say, okay, the body count, yeah, she has she's [ __ ] 10,000 dudes, but it was like 5 years ago. Yeah. And she's been
04:36:39
SPEAKER_04celibate for a minute. Yeah. Right. But how about this? You're on a date with a girl. Mhm. And she just [ __ ] 10 dudes last night without a rubber. I probably wouldn't feel comfortable
04:36:52
Raphael Gomezwith that. Let's say she's clean. She's clean. I don't know. It's If she's clean, then I don't futuristic STD test that like, okay, knows right away if she's got some if I'm single, she's clean, and we like each other. I I I
04:37:05
Raphael GomezWhat if though? I'm still going to bust. I mean, whatever. Huh? What the [ __ ] I said it. Press one of the buttons. What the Here. What the [ __ ] There it is.
04:37:14
Raphael GomezWait, so she just [ __ ] Yeah. What about like an hour before you guys I mean, this is I'm not in like a Bonnie Blue situation. Like I'm not going to be one of the guys lined up at the door,
04:37:25
Raphael Gomezbut I'm saying yes. I'm saying if the night before she did her thing, you know, I'm not in love with the idea, but I'm saying if I'm vibing with somebody, I'm single and like we're vibing and we're going to have a good time, I I wouldn't turn it down. I just wouldn't
04:37:38
Raphael Gomezbe like, "Oh man, I can't do I'm not going to do this." Do you
04:37:45
SPEAKER_04um She There's literally the dude's Don't say it. ejaculated. Oh, come on. inside. Are you gonna have sex with her,
04:37:56
SPEAKER_04bro? Probably with a condom, but yeah. Wait. Huh? Huh? Huh? Bro, you gonna have sex with a woman who has another dude's sperm inside her. I'm
04:38:08
SPEAKER_04vibing with somebody. That is not going to it'd be enough to stop me. No, dude. I don't care. Let me tell you this, bro. I don't care how hot she is. I don't care how much how great the vibe is. She
04:38:18
SPEAKER_04could be the most based, submissive housewife bowing. You have an issue with the bow, by the way. I I don't know why you hate the bow so much. You know what, Raphael?
04:38:30
SPEAKER_04You think is your You think your wife is watching? Uh, I think she is. She's probably waiting to pick me up at some point. You know, maybe do the bow. See if she just try it. See if you like it. If she just have
04:38:41
SPEAKER_04her hit a bow and I You know what? You might be a convert. I might convert you, dude. I might convert you. Um I don't I don't know. I think I I just when it comes to submission, it's just one of
04:38:54
Raphael Gomezthose things that this is like a relic of the past. And I think now we're living in a world where women are making, you know, young women are are advancing faster than young men right now. Like young women are buying homes more. They're making more money now.
04:39:07
Raphael GomezTrue. So it's like the idea of like, well, I only want a submissive wife. It's like I think you're missing out on some great relationship potential. Maybe not. Maybe not. I just think I
04:39:17
Raphael Gomezhave met some awesome boss babes. Have you ever had I just use How dare you? You misogynist. I [ __ ] up. Have you ever had a woman do everything you say?
04:39:31
SPEAKER_04I maybe at one point maybe when I was younger. Yeah. In Florida. In Florida. Yeah, probably. But just to be clear, I a clarification. If you're really vibing with a girl, if she's leaking a jacket,
04:39:44
SPEAKER_04hold on. You said inside, not leaking. That's a different story. I mean, we're talking about 24 hours. We're talking about 24 hours. We're talking about 24 hours. Sometimes
04:39:53
SPEAKER_04a girl is going to be Look, she's got [ __ ] another dude's splooge. It If the condom is on, it's on. That's all
04:40:03
SPEAKER_04I'm saying. If there was actively another man's semen in a woman's vagina, but you had and it was the best condom ever. It even covered your balls. This
04:40:15
Raphael GomezSorry, that's getting [ __ ] den, dude. You would smash. If If it was that kind of If I was that kind of night. Yeah. If it was that kind of night. That's
04:40:26
SPEAKER_04[ __ ] disgusting. What do you mean that kind of night? You're liquored up. You got some tequila or what? If it's that kind of night, you can't let the party. Let's get going. Look, you're a married man and you It's not an open, right? You guys are monogamous, right?
04:40:39
SPEAKER_04Okay. So, this is a hypothetical, you know? I'm just saying if you ever find yourself single again, you can't be [ __ ] girls who have another man's seat in them. You can't do that, Raphael. You can't do that. That's That's weird. I don't know, man. If two
04:40:51
SPEAKER_04people are going to have a good time, I I can look past it. That's all. I can look past it. I want cobwebs in that [ __ ] dude. I can't deal with a girl. If she's [ __ ] a guy, why though? Why,
04:41:02
SPEAKER_04Brian? Why? Yeah, bro. There's got I can't The thought it's It's just gross. It's just inherently gross. You can't you can't be having sex with a woman and she's got another
04:41:13
Raphael Gomezdude's seat in her. I'm sorry, Raphael. It I'm not saying it's my preference, but I'm saying I wouldn't say no if the vibe is right. What question for you? What if she's like, I don't want you to
04:41:24
SPEAKER_04wear rubber? Absolutely not. And she's on birth control. Absolutely not. And she has uh her tube style. Absolutely not. When I was When I was single, when I was single, I always wore a condom. Period. She can't get pregnant. It's not
04:41:37
Raphael Gomezabout pregnancy. And she No STDs either. But the the man's seed is No, even in the sugar. When I was single, I still I had work on it every time. So, no, but she can't get pregnant. She's got a [ __ ] hysterctomy. She's got a
04:41:50
Raphael Gomezhysterctomy. No STDs. Her pussy's immune to STDs. It just doesn't matter. I pretty much only go raw with like long-term partners. That's pretty much how I do it. But no,
04:42:00
SPEAKER_04but why work? No STDs. No STDs. She can't get pregnant. It just What's the point? It's just I don't know about you. If Here, let me let me I mean, this woman's obviously hot enough that I'm considering this. So, I think the comm
04:42:12
SPEAKER_04is going to be just fine. She's very hot. The comm is going to be fine. But she's she's already has another man's seat in her, but it'll be mission accomplished either way, so it'll be fine. I can't do that. I can't. But, you know, the crazy thing, you're like, I'
04:42:23
SPEAKER_04I'd wear rubber. Uh me personally, if a girl was like, Brian, I'm not ready to have sex yet, but I'll give you a hand
04:42:33
SPEAKER_04job. I'd be like, I'm okay. I I don't even want like have you ever had like if a if that's all that's on the table like have you you've turned down hand jobs,
04:42:45
SPEAKER_04right? Have you turned down nothing's coming to mind? You've never turned down a hand job? Like she's like I guess I could give you a hand job. I'm like let's just not do anything. Nothing's coming to mind. There might be a time
04:42:56
SPEAKER_04but I don't nothing's jumping out at me. So wait, just to be clear though, if she has the seed of multiple men inside her, possibly an animal, let's include an
04:43:07
SPEAKER_04animal. Oh, come on, man. Now we're talking animals. Like, we're talking beastiality. Animals are freaky, bro. No, they're not beastiality. Some of these, bro, you should see these these fantasies. These women with the dogs,
04:43:18
SPEAKER_04dude. Bro, who you bringing on the show, Brian? We've had multiple women say they've made sweet, passionate love to animals. There was a horse girl, right? Or uh Whoa. That's Wasn't there a trees?
04:43:30
Raphael GomezShe was in the trees. The trees. Sap. Sap. Would you have would you be with a woman who has sap inside of her from a a fus? As long as it can't hurt me and I'm wearing a condom or redwood, it might be
04:43:42
Raphael Gomeza redwood. If I'm wearing a condom and no one's going to get hurt. Yeah. If I'm attracted to them, you're still going to bust. So, just to be clear one more time,
04:43:51
SPEAKER_04busting is busted. If if a woman just had sex and he was Andrew Tate and his This is getting kind of like a little
04:44:04
SPEAKER_04sus. This is getting really sus. I don't know. And his seed was in her and you were but she's really hot and you guys are vibing. Are you going to have sex with a woman who has another man's seed
04:44:16
SPEAKER_04in her? If it's Andrew Tates. Does that make you want to do it more? I'm Do you want to do it more? A little bit. I got to one
04:44:26
SPEAKER_04up Andrew Tate. I'll show that girl how I really put it down. Yeah, I'll [ __ ] I'll convert her to the blue pill. But okay, removing the Andrew Tate thing. You would have sex with a woman
04:44:37
SPEAKER_0424 hours after. I can't do that, bro. I understand. I I understand. I'm not there. I understand. She could, but that's your preference, which is great. She could be like I'm an average looking guy. I'm not the best looking guy,
04:44:49
SPEAKER_04right? She could be leagues beyond. She could be so [ __ ] hot. Like it would be it would like if I got her pregnant, right? It would be a blessing to my future children, right? Cuz she gets, you know, my children get the good
04:45:00
SPEAKER_04looks, whatever. She could be so the hottest woman to ever lived, [ __ ] smoking, great personality, whatever. And if another guy [ __ ] her
04:45:11
SPEAKER_04recently, I don't want it. I can't do it, bro. I can't do it. I get it. I I just But you would. I just feel like you're missing out. That's all. That's all. Bro, I can't do it. I understand. You can't bring yourself to do it. I understand. I can't do it. You can't do
04:45:24
Raphael Gomezit. But it's like you saying I can't eat In-N-Out and I'm like, dude, you should try it. It's really great. It's the same thing. It's like you're missing out. But I can't do it. I understand. That's fine. But I love In-N-Out. So, I would recommend you to have In-N-Out. That's
04:45:34
SPEAKER_04all I'm saying. Look, I don't think it's fair to compare In-N-Out. I do to [ __ ] with another man's comment. Have you ever had In-N-Out? All the time. It's like my favorite. It's my favorite thing. All right. Let
04:45:46
Brian Atlasme Let me try to get this rap. We It's It's not your fault. It's my fault. I'm just talking about weird [ __ ] It's fine. Nameless name. Seven donated $30. What the previous guy said, your world
04:45:58
Raphael Gomezview is too in the middle. Doesn't solve the problem of good versus evil, my guy. Thank you. Appreciate it. I mean, yeah, I think but I think beyond, you know, I I think what some people consider good and evil are different. I mean, Brian
04:46:10
Raphael Gomezand I just had a whole conversation about it. I think people have different ideas of what's good and what's bad. So, it's hard for me to say, "Hey, this is absolutely 100% good." I don't necessarily believe that. I have my my
04:46:22
Raphael Gomezworldview and um I respect others mostly. What What do you think about pegging? If you like it, go for it. Do you? I don't. No. No. Okay. I'm not I'm not into butt stuff in general either
04:46:33
Brian Atlasway. Okay. Just joking. Sons of Liberty donated $29.99. These liberals always come down to blaming white males specifically for
04:46:45
Brian Atlastheir problems. He'll always be a victim. Would you be okay and allow your wife to flower and other men that she wanted to? I don't consider myself a victim at all.
04:46:56
Brian AtlasUm I I don't know where you're getting that from, but I I feel like my life's pretty damn good. Brood for donated $30. Andrew couldn't even shake this guy's
04:47:07
SPEAKER_04hand at before he left. What a beta. Damn, he called Andrew a beta. That's [ __ ] up. Wait, is he calling you a beta or I think he's calling He's probably calling me a beta. Well, it seems like directed at Andrew, maybe. I don't know. Well, honestly, if if we
04:47:20
SPEAKER_04wrapped the show, does he normally shake hands? I don't know. But if we wrapped the show and you guys, you know, we you guys were leaving at the same time, he'd I think he'd shake your but you were over here. He was over there. No, I
04:47:32
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I didn't take it personal. Andrew Andrew's like even even the kind of heated nature of this conversation like after the show he'll be like it was good talking to you cuz I debated him on the show. It was the same thing. It was heated. It was back and forth and it was
04:47:45
SPEAKER_04like man it was fun. Honestly, it was one of the more more heated debates he's had. I thought it was good. I thought it was good. I didn't know I I just I'm just used to zero $30. Raphael, your
04:47:57
Brian Atlasmain problem is that you equate duties/obligations with being oppressed. Also, you would force men to die to save the nation, but you won't force women to have children to do the same. To save
04:48:08
Raphael Gomezthe nation. I I don't equate uh duties with oppression. Oppression is systematic denial of rights and resources. Duties are automatic obligations that you just have for existing. And so, I don't agree with
04:48:19
Brian Atlasthat. All right. Thank you, brood. Josh Brooks donated $30. Thank you, Josh. Appreciate. Bring back the gladiator arenas. only blue hair and naval piercings against sleeve tattoos and
04:48:30
Brian Atlasseptum piercings. Also, whoever has the most abortions under her belt gets to handle the tiger cage free. All right, thank you for that. Uh Josh,
04:48:42
Brian Atlasreally appreciate it. We have Noel here. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Noel Ramos donated $30 about population collapse. There's no solution that keeps women's rights without marginalizing a
04:48:54
Raphael Gomezpopulation of men. Some suggest rethinking family structures. Why should men sign up for this future? I don't know how men will continue to be
04:49:05
Raphael Gomezmarginalized because women have more rights. I'm not sure how that works. Um, family structures I do think we need to reconsider because I think a lot of what
04:49:17
Raphael Gomezred, excuse me, what red pill and other ideologies say is like it should be man is the provider, man is auh protector, woman is the child uh, you know, bearer,
04:49:28
Raphael Gomezuh, you know, is is at home. I think we live in a world where that's different now. I think we live in a world where women are out earning some men. So, it's like maybe we rethink about it. I think, you know, I don't judge stay-at-home dads the way a lot of like red pillars
04:49:41
Raphael Gomezwould. I think, hey, if that works with a family, and I've talked to a lot of women who say, "My husband is a stay at home dad, and I love him more than anything." That works for them. So, I I just I think we could rethink family
04:49:52
Brian Atlasstructures. Grahams donated $30. Thoughts on Republicans part of 2025 trying to ban unicorn? It's about corn. Corn adult content.
04:50:05
Raphael GomezYeah. Um, I get the argument for it, but all in all, if everyone is a party, you know, to say this is what I choose to
04:50:16
Raphael Gomezdo, then I I I don't want to remove that agency personally. All right, we got
04:50:25
Brian Atlassu zero donated $30. What is this guy's opinion on the Alina laws being voted on in Mexico right now? It basically makes it legal for women to kill any man
04:50:36
Raphael Gomezsimply if they feel threatened or intimidated by him. I haven't looked into that, but that seems pretty wild. I mean, if if a man is essaying somebody or assaulting somebody, I mean, you got
04:50:49
Raphael Gomezto do what you got to do, but just feeling general threatened, I'd have to look into it, but that seems a bit overkill. All right, we have Silent DJ
04:50:59
SPEAKER_04here for a video. Silent donated $30. Check your ex for a video roast. This cut got nuked by Andrew. I don't see any I don't see any DMs, man. But uh I'm not
04:51:11
Brian Atlassure if we'll be able to pull it up, unfortunately. But uh we got Lucas here. Big donated $69. Big Lucas, thank you. Bro, I just threw up in my mouth. Just
04:51:22
Brian Atlasventuring a guess here, but am I correct in assuming that there's a worn out chair strategically situated in the corner of your bedroom? Uh, no. You are absolutely incorrect. I believe he's
04:51:34
Raphael Gomezreferring to a cuck chair. Yeah, I understand. As they call it. Yeah, I know. That's a very common thing that people say. I don't know what about me makes you think I'm not masculine. I mean, I I don't get it. Just because I have some different beliefs I'm not
04:51:47
SPEAKER_04masculine. I don't know, man. Let's have a push-up contest. Would that would that would that prove something? You know what, Lucas? Lucas, you're a friend of the show. Fly out to the fly out for the
04:51:56
SPEAKER_04round two. You and Raphael will do a push-up contest. So, if that proves what is masculine to some of these guys, then let's do it. Wait, question. If Lucas
04:52:07
Raphael Gomezwins, though. Yeah. What What are we wagering here? I think we're wagering I think we're wagering whether or not I'm a beta cuck. I will admit I'm a beta cuck if he beats me in a in a in a push-up contest. What if
04:52:21
SPEAKER_04uh h I was going to wager the whatever channel, but that sounds like a really bad thing. I can't run this thing. I can't run this thing to to wager. Uh all
04:52:32
Brian Atlasright. Thank you, uh Lucas. Appreciate it, man. Jason Castle donated $30. Okay, it took so long to get back to on the percent of men in war/20th century question. I decided to
04:52:44
Raphael Gomezdo the calculations myself and fem boy is correct. Hey Jason, I apologize for calling you a dummy on that question. Jason, it takes a it takes a lot of courage and I think it's very masculine to admit you were wrong. It's funny that
04:52:56
Raphael Gomezyou said I'm a fanboy, but you apologize for calling me a dummy. That That's progress, man. That's really cool. Now, if he gets something else wrong, he has to apologize for the fem. Yeah. And then he'll come up with another name. And uh
04:53:10
SPEAKER_04Yeah. All right, Jason Cassell. Appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. He also wants to do a push-up competition with you, by the way. This is all the guys I wanted to put on. So NZ donated $30. You don't
04:53:21
Brian Atlasseem like a bad guy and your arguments after Andrew left have been decent. However, at the start, refusing to define anything and getting angry was poor form and made you look clueless. I
04:53:32
Raphael Gomezagree. But I think even when I was messaging you, I said, "I'm not a debater." Like, and Andrew is a debater to the core. Me and Brian are having a good conversation. He has different ideas. I have different ideas. We're
04:53:45
Raphael Gomezgetting more done now than when Andrew since when Andrew left. So that's why it gets frustrating. He's a good debater. He can trap me in things and I'm not as good at him as and I'll admit that. So
04:53:56
Brian Atlasyeah, you know the we are getting a lot done. We were talking about a a jackallet. Ejaculate. That's one. That was good. That was a good one. Jason Castle donated $30. Progress, guys. I
04:54:08
Brian Atlaswas doing only men that fought in wars. My bad. That would make sense. I still think you are a degenerate and you lost the debate. I'll still fight you. I'm not even going to, you know, if I lost the debate, I lost the debate. I came
04:54:20
SPEAKER_04here with a specific mission. That's fine. But if you want to spar, man, let's do it. Like, let's meet here. We'll spar. All right, Jason. You know, hey, Jason, you can't back down from a a
04:54:30
SPEAKER_04fight. I would, you know, a friendly spar. I I think though I should start offering
04:54:39
SPEAKER_04like a whatever boxing event. Dude, that's it. You know, boxing event where But just for like equality, do you would it be okay with you if like the
04:54:50
Raphael Gomezmen box the women? No, because I think doing the right thing is not hurting someone that equal equal rights equal less. Equal opportunity. You keep strongmaning my feminism position. That is not my
04:55:03
Raphael Gomezposition on feminism. And I my position on masculinity is doing the right thing which includes protecting the innocent. Can I hurt? Do you know Gorlock? So that's a transgender woman. Can I box
04:55:14
SPEAKER_04her? Oh, I thought it was the one that Rachel was arguing. She No, she mad Marge. She was calling her. Can I box Gorlock? Is that fair? It's a If Gorlock agrees. If Gorlock agrees, you're okay with it. You give the blessing. Okay,
04:55:27
Brian Atlasjust checking. All right, we got 30 here. Oh, this is a positive one for you. 30 donated $30. Hello, Raph. I am not a feminist. I agree with 90% of the
04:55:37
Brian Atlasthings you have said, especially about red pill. I wanted to show you support in the face of all the hate. Oh, wow. Keep doing the good work. All right. That means a lot to me, 30. Thank you. All right. We got Josh Brooks here.
04:55:49
Brian AtlasThank you, Josh. Appreciate it, brother. Josh Brooks donated $30. You don't want women to be on the front line if it's conscription because of force. You're