Andrew Wilson vs. Woke Male Feminist Oliver | Whatever Debates #18
Date: 2025-05-17
Duration: 5h 55m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_03Oliver N House(guest)
SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:10
IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Oliver N House (Oberlin triple-major)
00:45:55
Key MomentOliver admits prefers experienced women; Andrew labels it 'certified pre-f***ed woman worship'
02:17:48
Key MomentAndrew says 'woman, get me a beer' to production staff; Oliver stands up in protest
02:39:48
ControversyAge gap debate: Oliver calls 41yo dating 18yo predatory but cannot give precise cut-off. 40+ min argument.
05:16:00
Key MomentOliver apologizes for reckless language implying Jim Bob had PDF-adjacent tendencies
05:32:42
AgreementOliver concedes Andrew won on rhetoric but reaffirms feminist vision
Topics Discussed
00:00:10
Opening Statements
Andrew lists feminist-caused male burdens. Oliver defines feminism as equal rights, cites dual-income poverty protection.
00:33:36
Promiscuity and Virginity Debate
Andrew: virgins report highest marital satisfaction. Oliver: prefers experienced women. 'Certified pre-f***ed' exchange.
02:39:48
Age Gap Relationships
Oliver: 41-year-olds dating 18-year-olds is predatory but can't specify age cut-off. Andrew refuses to move on for ~40 min.
04:25:54
Misandry and Kill All Men
Oliver: 'kill all men' is imprecise frustration, less harmful than misogyny. Andrew challenges the differential impact claim.
05:16:00
Jim Bob PDF Implication
Andrew confronts Oliver about implying Jim Bob had PDF-adjacent tendencies. Oliver apologizes.
05:26:54
Closing Statements
Andrew claims total victory. Oliver concedes rhetoric loss but reaffirms feminist vision.
Transcript
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04:56:28
Oliver N Housemen are going to become depressed and like they're going to end their own lives or just that they're going to be depressed? Who who entailed that? I'm asking you because when I think of depression and when I entail some well
04:56:38
Oliver N Housesome of them may okay fine and I think that if most of them won't then I I would still choose the men over the women unless if we think about it no okay okay fine so now you're changing your answer a second time I'm changing my answer because it changes based on
04:56:51
Oliver N Housewhat happens because the depression now let's think what happens what happens based on if men are depressed what if they fall down more of a rabbit hole and end up unaliving more women or unaliving more men there could There should be
04:57:04
Oliver N Housethere could be downstream consequences from that that would make it worse than just those 2,000 women. So I don't know destiny triangles [ __ ] finally. So
04:57:14
Andrew Wilsondeath the fact that women get unal alived at a higher rate even if that were correlated with the rhetoric would not be the threshold breaker for you as
04:57:25
Andrew Wilsonfar as the impact on society. Triangles, bro. There you go. Triangles. I don't Okay. I don't know what that mean. It can't be. It can't be the threshold breaker for you. So why do you keep using that as though it's the thing
04:57:37
Oliver N Housewhich makes the delineation? It's not the only thing though. Then what else? I think the prevalence of the hatred towards women is the genuine hatred that leads to not just systemic not just
04:57:48
Andrew Wilsonoutcomes of death. Yeah. Other outcomes as well as we were talking about like which ones are which ones are not happening to men. which ones are not happening. Besides this death, besides the death thing which you keep claiming
04:58:00
Oliver N Houseis the threshold breaker, the death thing as well. I'm also talking about when those statements are made it contributes to a stigmatization that women can't be in certain career fields or that women can't no what what rhetoric is saying that men can't be in
04:58:12
Andrew Wilsonlike the well the idea that like if men are a bunch of essayers if there was career fields where there was a lot of women predominantly like nurses teachers things like that they would probably be less likely to gravitate towards that due to the fact that there's now a social stigma against the fact that they
04:58:25
Oliver N Housethat's a bad social stigma but I do think the other social what I'm saying but this isn't this isn't like a hill that I think is worth dying on. Like I just Why do you keep dying on it by saying that the threat you could have just done this you
04:58:38
Andrew Wilsoncould have been like listen Andrew equally across the board any woman who says all men should die it has a massive impact on society. Now maybe I can't determine exactly how much all men
04:58:49
Andrew Wilsonshould die. That's nor women should die. I can't actually determine how much of an impact it has because it's not really determinable. Both are [ __ ] horrible. They're bad. But you didn't do that. What you did is you said the one's worse
04:59:02
Andrew Wilsonthan the other because it leads to the systemic unalignment of women where that doesn't happen to men. But then when we equalize those choices and we ask the question, is it about just unalive or material conditions changing in society?
04:59:14
Oliver N HouseYour answers flip-flop like you're a [ __ ] like you're on the floor having a seizure. But it would come down to what would the consequences of a bunch of men being depressed be? It would probably be more death. That's what I'm
04:59:26
Oliver N Housesaying. It would be more death. Let's just say that it wasn't death and they just like really had miserable lives. Okay. Then I would still probably choose the women not being killed by men over
04:59:38
Oliver N Housemen being depressed. Like I don't I I I would 100% do that. And I think we should realize I think we should do everything we can to help in society that would actually still be worse. Okay. Then if it's worse in terms of
04:59:50
Andrew Wilsonpeople dying then No, not even dying. Just like materially in society, the gravitating effects of misery would probably actually be worse. Would lead to less productivity. It they may not die, but that doesn't mean they're going
05:00:02
Oliver N Houseto have great lives. Sure. I think and my problem with this is it just it's still reinforcing this idea that
05:00:11
Oliver N Houselike women dying like has to come at the expense of men who are depressed. No, it doesn't do that. Then what's the what's the point of the hypothes? The point is to demonstrate that you don't really
05:00:23
Andrew Wilsonbelieve that this threshold that you keep moving to for why it's worse for men to make these statements than women is the fact that it could lead to unaliving on one end. However, have serious negative connotations on the other as well. You just dismiss those as
05:00:35
Oliver N Housethough they are lesser than the unalive and that's what you can't justify. Sure. Okay. No one should say that they want the entirety of one's sex to die. I've actually literally said this before, Andrew. No, but you think the impact's
05:00:48
Oliver N Housestill worse on one. Let me let me explain it because I've I've I've spoken out a lot against this type of biological essentialism. There is a type of a perversion of feminism on the left that says that men are evil because of
05:01:00
Oliver N Housetheir biology, because of their Y chromosome, because of something about them biological higher testosterone, things. Yes. So, I think that is very bad and
05:01:10
Andrew Wilsonbad. It's vile. But but but here's my problem with your idea of like it's still more impactful when men do it versus women. You're still eliminating
05:01:22
Andrew Wilsonthe idea of your own worldview towards stigma. You are actually removing stigma from the one o over the other. And it just looks to me like an inconsistent view that that's not really what you're
05:01:33
Brian Atlastrying to do. But as we go through this, it sure seems like you are. Okay. And maybe that's part of that like goddess worship [ __ ] I don't know. Okay. Uh we got a few chats then. Uh
05:01:46
SPEAKER_00maybe we'll get some closing statement here soon. So we got Six-Pack Chad. Six-Pack Chad donated $69. Oliver, are you too dense to
05:01:57
SPEAKER_00realize that your worldview infantilizes women? You don't want adult women to engage in consensual relationships that you don't like. take TRT and start lifting, bro. Can I respond quickly to
05:02:10
Oliver N Housethat or not? Okay. No, I don't think that it infantilizes women because I think women and men who are 18 years old should not be dating people who are insanely older than they are at 41. So,
05:02:21
Oliver N Housethis is not a and I'm also not saying women should like be barred from doing it. I think telling someone something is a bad decision that might lead to bad outcomes is different than infantilizing them or prohibiting them from doing it
05:02:34
Andrew Wilsonaltogether. Yeah. Let's look in your earlier statement where you said that the impact of when older men date younger women versus older women dating younger men is much worse. Mhm. Yeah, I
05:02:44
Andrew Wilsondo. I do think it's worse. But like you are you are infantilizing always women. You that's all you do, dude. Oh Jesus. Okay. All right. We have one shot 17.
05:02:55
SPEAKER_00One shot of 17 donated $69. Thank you. One shot. Now that Andrew is back, let's talk about what the pig snake weasel tried to imply about. Oh yeah, I saw that was asked. Uh, really quick, we do have I I'll have you address that. But
05:03:08
Brian Atlaswe have Rachel who has a similar point. Oliver, do you think Andrew views me as intellectually inferior or a child? Because well, because I submit to him. Do you want to respond to Rachel really quick? Then we'll do the super chat. I don't know what Andrew thinks, so we
05:03:21
Andrew Wilsonshould ask Andrew. Well, here's what Andrew says publicly. I I've always maintained that my wife is much more intelligent than I am, but she submits to me. Okay, which is factually true.
05:03:33
Brian AtlasOkay. And then to the super chat that came up, uh, it's, uh, imply about Jim Bob while Andrew was out about the infant. Yeah. Why did you,
05:03:44
Oliver N Housecan we have Oliver just restate it just for the audience? Um, while the I'm not I'm not making the claim that necessarily this this this is bad
05:03:55
Oliver N Housebehavior or is like PDF file um, behavior. What I am saying is I think it is a bit suspicious or we should look into it if as I talked and this is what I was saying about my debate with Jim
05:04:06
Oliver N HouseBob. I was saying that you know he views women as as children as as infants as you know not capable of agency or he kept using examples about look if you're in a house and you know you're bossing the kids around and then he would
05:04:17
Oliver N Housecompare that to women. So I'm like okay this is he's viewing women as children. I'm saying that there is a suspicious view if you view women in that way as infantilized or children and at the same
05:04:29
Oliver N Housetime they're also the people you want to have sex with. What was the implication towards towards Jim Bob was that he was that was not an implication. Stop lying to me Oliver. Not I'm not calling Can we watch the clip? You watch the clip. I
05:04:42
Oliver N Housewas not saying that he was saying implication. The implication was there could be potential problems with that type of worldview. are those problems
05:04:52
Oliver N Housethat they view women as children. So they are attracted to could be attracted to children. So they are I'm not saying so they if you're attracted to children
05:05:03
Oliver N Houseyou're a Mhm. you're a you cannot fully be attracted to you can have problematic tendencies and not actually either act upon them or fully if you're attracted
05:05:14
Andrew Wilsonto children and want to have intercourse with them. You're a what Oliver? Sure. PDF file. No, you were implying that Jim Bob's a PDF file by your own logic. You just walked yourself through the logic live. I walked myself. I'm not saying he
05:05:26
Andrew Wilsondef definitively is. I'm saying Oh, it just raises suspicion. Correct. I'm not making absolutist claims. Okay. Well, you know what? I'm not saying he didn't. I believe that like men who have their
05:05:36
Andrew Wilsonnails painted by women, their tendency for, you know, PDF file is way higher. Therefore, Oliver, I think that you are akin to a a PDF. I, you know, I'm not saying that though. What I'm saying is we should just be suspicious of you
05:05:49
Andrew Wilsonbeing a PDF file. You can be suspicious of me. We should be suspicious. You should have your hard drive checked. That's all I'm saying. Okay, fine. The FBI should show up and check your hard drive, bro. That's all I'm saying. Why would you disparage? Like, do you
05:06:00
Andrew Wilsonrealize too that Jim Bob, he has a big family. He has a wife. He has Hang on. He has kids at home. He has like uh he's a very good, very kind man who's raising Hang on. Shut up. You [ __ ] haven't
05:06:12
Andrew Wilsonraised a single kid in your life. You have no idea what that's like. This guy is doing the [ __ ] absolute best that he can. Why would you insinuate that he's a PDF? Why would you do that to a
05:06:22
Oliver N Houseman has kids in his home? Dude, Andrew, I'm not If I'm Do you think we should follow the path of an argument even if it might even if it might offend your
05:06:33
Andrew Wilsonclip was trying to demon or trying to show cuz you left out critical context of what Jim Bob said too. You left out and you left it out on purpose. You are a clip chimp. And the thing is, you left it out and dude, we'll demonstrate after
05:06:45
Andrew Wilsonthis debate is done. You got blown out so bad here. You're going to go and make all sorts of little clips and then we're going to wreck all of them. It's going to be great by showing just critical context. You left out critical context
05:06:56
Andrew Wilsonthere because you wanted him to look bad and look like a PDF file and he's a man who has children at home. I don't want I don't want that to be the case. Then make a [ __ ] revision to that at least. I don't I don't want that. I I
05:07:09
Andrew WilsonCan you at least make a revision to that so that the revision that you're not trying to make [ __ ] or at least add critical context? Critical context. Sure. I already gave the context. You don't Okay, let's put Listen, Do you think Jim Bob is a PDF file, dude? No, I
05:07:21
Oliver N Housedon't. Then then No, I don't. I don't. I don't. Okay. Don't do that to people. Listen, I'm not trying to slander I'm not trying to slander him. I'm not at all trying to
05:07:33
Oliver N HouseI'm not insinuating anything of actual actual behavior. Can you agree that there can be behavioral patterns of certain ideologies that could lend themselves to a type of thinking even if
05:07:45
Andrew Wilsonit's not? That's all I'm saying. Oliver, let me make a concession if you will. Okay, here's the concession I'll make. I'll make this concession that it is the case that you can follow patterns of behavior to come out with like some kind
05:07:56
Andrew Wilsonof um basic ideas about the outcomes of behavior. Okay, that's true. And you can do that with arguments that's even true, too. Sure. But can you admit to me that especially on YouTube and various platforms like this when you
05:08:08
Andrew Wilsonsensationalize by leaving out critical context in order to lead the viewer to a conclusion that that is far more common than people following legitimate argument chains to figure out patterns.
05:08:21
Andrew WilsonDo you agree with me that that's far more common? It can be more common. Yes. Yes. And so the thing is like why should I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're trying to disparage one of my best friends who has done nothing ever to you cuz the worst thing
05:08:34
Andrew Wilsonyou could call a man and the worst thing you can insinuate about him. Okay. I was not meaning to insinuate make a revision. It was not I'm not talking about an idiot. Call him a [ __ ] Do all that. Okay. I am not claiming that
05:08:47
Brian AtlasWhat was the clip? Can you send us the clip? Send the clip. It's bad. It's not great, Oliver. It's not great. What what was uh was there like also you have to watch it Brian.
05:08:59
Brian AtlasIt's pretty bad. Do you know what the like No, it's not. It's no big deal. Do you know what like the uh the like that channel was sended in or the crucible group? Is it on the Instagram? Cuz I
05:09:11
Brian Atlasdidn't look at the I looked at like two of the clips you made. Um do you know what like the little title card is? There's like these dudes are allergic to nuance. Do you know which what the title card is?
05:09:24
Brian Atlasof what he of what? Of like his where Andrew's suggesting that you implied that Jim Bob was a PDF file. What's the title card? Wait, I didn't post that. I I No, wait. I posted Well, he's saying
05:09:37
Brian Atlasyou made a clip about it. I No, I made a clip of my closing statement in that debate where Jim Bob So, it's the closing statement one. Yeah. Nod his head. Is it in the five minute highlight reel that you did? It's at the very It's at the very end of that. Is it at the I
05:09:50
Brian Atlasthink I think is it your closing statement? Yeah, my closing statement. Uh is it the one society is better when we trust women? Yeah. Uh okay, I will send that. We'll see if we can pull that
05:10:02
Brian Atlasup. Andrew seem uh we can react to it. While we're doing that, I'm going to read we have uh soup chats that came in. I'll read those. Daniel Stein back
05:10:11
Brian Atlasagain. He's back from uh timeout because uh Oh, you got it. You got it right. Thank you, Daniel Stein all the way in Australia. Appreciate it, man. So, bending over for women is more complex than voting on matters of war and
05:10:24
Brian Atlaspresidents that affect families. But yet, spreading her legs is more complex. Lol. Andrew, you hard park. Here you go. Women, women, women, women.
05:10:35
Brian AtlasLol. Okay. He wasn't here for that one, but thank you, Daniel Stein. Uh, dendritic dialectic. Oliver creates race-based subgroups to argue white people can't say they hate black people
05:10:47
Brian Atlasdespite higher per capita attacks, but doesn't do the same for sex. By his logic, or by his logic, only women who go to bars can say they hate men due to higher assault risk. Do you want to
05:10:57
Brian Atlasrespond to that? No. I Okay. All right. Uh Daniel Stein, thank you for those. Appreciate $69 TTS. Get them in. Final call if you want to get one in here before we get this
05:11:10
Brian Atlaswrapped up here pretty soon. We have also uh Desert Joe. Appreciate it, Desert Joe. Desert Joe donated
05:11:19
SPEAKER_00$69. Feminism. Women are equal to men. Women kill all men. Gets a pass because they're inferior. Men kill all women.
05:11:30
Andrew WilsonStraight to jail because man bad. Someone please make it make sense. Well, I mean, he's going to insinuate that basically complete strangers he
05:11:40
Andrew Wilsonlost a debate to are PDF files. So, like it let me make like an appeal to your humanity then. Let me try that. I'll make an appeal to your humanity. We have the clip, by the way, if you want to play it before you want to make your
05:11:53
Brian Atlaspoint. This is my Instagram post. This is not the clip. Are you talking about tonight? What I said? Yeah. Yeah. Wait. And the clip. Play the clip, too. Okay. Here. Um, Mary, do you have that
05:12:05
Brian Atlaspulled up? There must there might be an other way to do it. Um, yeah, go ahead and pull it up.
05:12:17
Brian AtlasAll right. And is Oliver, can you confirm if this is the clip? Uh, yeah. Closing statement. So, you're going to have to Instagram's [ __ ] stupid for playing videos on desktop. Uh, you're
05:12:28
Brian Atlasgoing to have to hit the audio button at the bottom. So, scroll down on the page. See how it's muted? So, hit that. Scroll back up. Uh, make uh control mouse wheel zoom. I had a prepared closing state.
05:12:40
Brian AtlasZoom zoom it out a little bit. And we're going to have to lower the volume. Probably put it to 70 at the very top there. Okay. It does a better job than the last two guys. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah.
05:12:53
Oliver N HouseLet's try 70. All right. Go ahead and play it. statement. But since this really didn't go according to any sort of a, you know, guideline that I thought, um, I'll just kind of say my final thoughts here. Um, I think there
05:13:05
Brian Atlasstill is a massive Oh my god. Wait, pause it. Pause. Pause. Pause pause. I'm sorry. Pause. Pause. Just click on it. Uh, put it in the video tab. We got We got to have it on.
05:13:18
Oliver N HouseYou can say till you're blue in the face that this is how society is. This is how it fundamentally will be if we're left to our own devices. But I think one of the beautiful things about humans is that we have the capacity for reason and
05:13:28
Oliver N Housewe have the capacity to better our society against our biological impulses. And I think that that is something that feminism advocates. Uh feminism does not say that you know denies the difference
05:13:41
Oliver N Housebetween men and women. Denies that you know men are on average stronger than women. It says to men look you you do have this power. You are stronger. um you know you ought to use it in such a
05:13:51
Oliver N Houseway that does not hurt individuals and there's a element of paternalism here. I mean, you heard Jim Bob a lot compare, you know, like treating women to treating children. And, you know, I I think it's a problem is these people
05:14:03
Oliver N Housefundamentally, and he's nodding right now, view women as infants, view women as infantilized. And I think that that is why feminism is so necessary and continue to fight against these ideas
05:14:14
Oliver N Housewhere, you know, that these people do not view women as, you know, rational human beings. I mean, we had this whole conversation surrounding intellect. And I think that, you know, it's really unfortunate that this is the type of uh ideas that are becoming more and more
05:14:27
Oliver N Houseprevalent. Um, and I think that as long as these ideas are continuing to be, uh, spread, it only proves the further need for feminism. Um, I really wasn't able to get into a lot of the empirics of the good things of feminism. Um, but there
05:14:38
Oliver N Househave been many, uh, advancements and benefits since the, uh, arrival of feminism and can be directly attributed to it. Um, society works better when men and women work alongside each other. Not
05:14:49
Andrew Wilsona point where he does he he he actually does circle back to it, but the clip is kind of long. Do you remember where the part is where you circle back to that in within this conversation today? Yeah.
05:15:01
Andrew WilsonYeah. Yeah. But you even did it in the clip. The clip itself view women I said view women as children. Yeah. You view them as as children. Yeah. The idea there that he views women as children, but want but he
05:15:14
Oliver N Househas sex with women is implying what? Dude, I I What's the implication, bro? I'm not saying there wasn't the implication there. I'm not saying he engaged in any sort of behavior. I don't
05:15:27
Andrew Wilsonknow what you want from me. I want you to just make make it very crystal clear, right, that your stupid ass idea when we say infantilizing, when I say you infantilize women, that is the case that
05:15:40
Andrew WilsonI am saying that you're kind of treating them like they are children. But you went one step further. You said that he treats them as though they're infants. You're making the inference that he's attracted to women who are [ __ ] infants. You're making the case that
05:15:53
Oliver N Househe's a PDF. No, no, no. I was not making it that that that using the word infant was was the wrong word there. I wanted to say children, I wanted to say infantilized. So in the same context I am of what where I say like when when we
05:16:06
Oliver N Housesay like you're infantilizing them, it means that you're like not treating them like an adult. Not treating them like an adult. But I do think when we're talking about viewing them as children, he brought up multiple examples of where he's like, look, okay, if you're in a house and you got to make decisions and
05:16:18
Oliver N Houseyou know, the kids are walking around with their signs and saying they want something and then you're like, you know, all right, you really put your foot down. The analogy there is comparing women to children. Yeah. But
05:16:29
Andrew Wilsonlisten, the way that you present it though, you also add elements like we you did in today's conversation where there's like an attraction element there and you have already conceded that that is the case. Isn't the inference there
05:16:41
Oliver N Housethat you're trying to give to the audience that these these guys are PDFs? I'm saying I'm I'm I do not want that. I don't I'm not making claims about individuals and I understand if my language was partially reckless. That's
05:16:54
Andrew Wilsonwhat I'm trying to say. And you know what? I'll take the concession there in very good faith and say fine. If it is the case, you're going to retract that and saying it's reckless and what you actually meant is just like you're not
05:17:05
Andrew Wilsontreating them on on par with like equality or this or that. That's fair. Mhm. But you have to remember that when you [ __ ] when you clip chimp, as the old saying goes, people aren't getting
05:17:15
Oliver N Housecontext well, are they? They're not getting great. Even in that clip, even in that clip. Okay. I mean, they didn't have like the previous context of your conversation back and forth, only your characterization of it. I mean, that's what the clips are. That's what the
05:17:28
Oliver N Houseclips that you post on this channel. I don't post any clips on this channel. You That's what that's what clips are. The clips that I post are usually 10 plus minutes. Okay. Why? Fine. They're full long form debates. I don't want to give [ __ ] No, they're not even long
05:17:40
Oliver N Houseform debates, but I want to give context. It's critical. And and and that's why when I post a clip, I link back to the original video and like watch the whole video. Here's a clip from it. Well, just watch in the future because you don't want to make these horrible inferences about family
05:17:59
Andrew Wilsonmembs insinuate that you engage in any behavior adjacent to that. You know what would make me feel great about all of this? if you'd apologize again to Jim Bob. I just did. I said I'm sorry. If Yeah, there you go. All right. Yeah, I'm
05:18:11
Oliver N Housesorry. I did not mean I was making a critique of the ideology and where it could potentially lead, not necessarily that you engage in that behavior
05:18:21
SPEAKER_00whatsoever at all. That's fair. That's all I have. Couple chats here. Uh oh. Audio boost it up, please. Boy donated
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Brian Atlasand women thrive. Feminism destroys society. Cheers. All right, boy. Thank you very much for the TTS. We have three more coming in.
05:18:53
SPEAKER_00Member Birdman donated $69. Oliver, if you weren't intending on slandering Jim Bob, you slandered him incidentally. I would say that's worse
05:19:04
SPEAKER_00because you aren't even aware of when you drag people for no reason. Rethink everything. So yeah, I mean I I I don't think in retrospect with what Oliver says now
05:19:17
Andrew Wilsonwhere he's like, "Look, I'm sorry, Jim Bob, if that was the case. I wasn't trying to do that." I think that that's as fair of a concession as we could ever get on that particular point. Like a fair one. Also, I I don't
05:19:29
Andrew Wilsonknow if it's a different clip because I I'm pretty sure I watched the statement clip, but I don't remember where it was. I don't think I saw it in the closing state. Opening statement. No, the closing statement. I don't think I I
05:19:41
Brian Atlaswatched the clip. I Well, I read the subtitles to it. Uh cuz that clip that we were watching continued. I don't think in that spec I don't know. Uh I don't know the clip that's being referenced. Maybe it's a different one.
05:19:53
Brian AtlasIs it just a closing statement clip? No, there was another one, too. Maybe there was another one. But uh while in any case, while Andrew was gone, you did say it seemed quite definitive that you were
05:20:04
Brian Atlassaying uh Jim Bob or other men view women as you allege that they view women as infantile and that they're also attracted to adult women, but they view
05:20:16
Oliver N Housethem as infantilego. There is a suspicion of PDF filia. You know, there there's a suspicion of I'm not claiming that anyone is engaging in any behavior or doing anything that is illegal or doing
05:20:28
Oliver N Houseanything to children. I'm saying that they're valuing traits in women that can be present in children. Yeah. But so do you. And that is that is that can be suspicious. But so do you. What do you mean? Like inquisitiveness. That's not
05:20:40
Andrew Wilsonthat's not exclusive to children. Uh well, wait a second. When you describe the traits of children, give me a single trait that you would describe in a child that you would never associate with a man or a woman. never associate with a
05:20:50
Oliver N Houseman or a woman. Yeah. Kind of blank slate. What? What? Like not like entirely impress entirely. You would associate that with plenty of men and women. What do you mean? I don't I don't think so. I mean, I think everyone has their life experience and everyone is
05:21:02
Andrew Wilsonnot like name. Okay. Blank slate's not even a trait. That means there's a lack of traits. Like what what what would the trait even be? When you think of like childlike, you think of innocence. You
05:21:12
Andrew Wilsonthink of like uh the idea of like um uh you exuberance and you think of you think of high energy. You think things you need to mold them in your you
05:21:24
Andrew Wilsonthere's probably tons of childlike things that hang on that that you would say that men and women both are attracted to has nothing at all to do with being attracted to children. Okay.
05:21:35
Oliver N HouseWhat I would not a lot of yes a lot of those other traits that's not what I'm saying. saying wanting to mold someone in your image or having them to like adhere to everything you're saying and have this level of power over someone
05:21:47
Andrew Wilsoncan be akin to a parent child relationship. That's all I'm saying. Have you ever heard of the term fixer upper? Sure. Okay. And women say this a lot, right? Like I really like him, but
05:21:58
Andrew Wilsonthere's like problems and this. Are they working on that man to like mold him into the thing that she wants a little bit more? Is that what a fixer upper means? Could be. Yeah. So, is that
05:22:09
Oliver N Housegrooming? It could be. But is it? Um, if it's done, yeah, it could be. It could 100% could. I mean, if Well, then women are [ __ ] grooming all the time. No, wait a second. If you're
05:22:23
Oliver N Housetrying to take if you're trying to take advantage of someone and kind of make them into the ver like your own person, I would argue all relationships are this way. Okay, fine. I just don't Don't you do that? Like, honestly, don't you do
05:22:35
Andrew Wilsonthis to yourself? Like if there's habits or annoyances or various issues you have with your like significant other or uh you know woman you're dating or whatever that you'll say things in order to get
05:22:48
Oliver N Housethem to like break whatever these habits are or these behaviors that you find aren't tailored to you. I would have a conversation with them. I wouldn't slightly choose. And the point of the conversation is what is to have a mutual
05:23:00
Oliver N Houseunderstanding and dialogue where they change. Wait a second. But that's different than telling them what to do. You need to do this because I have the authority. And who cares if it's just a boundary? If you're just like, look, one
05:23:11
Andrew Wilsonof the the the behaviors that I want is like when I tell you I don't want you to do this behavior, you don't. That is still it's the same exact thing. You're just molding them to whatever the behavioral standards are that you like.
05:23:22
Oliver N HouseOkay. Is that nota the case? I I still think there is a distinction there, but I'm not Look, I I look, frankly, look, we can move along from this topic. I'm sorry for making an insinuation, okay?
05:23:34
SPEAKER_00I'm not trying to slander anyone. I was trying to make an internal critique. That was all. All right. So, we have two more chats, then we'll do closing statements. Jason Castle donated $69. Thank you, Jason. Oliver, what hell?
05:23:47
SPEAKER_00What you did to Jim Bob is what a spiteful woman does when she wants to ruin the reputation of an ex. You lost the debate, so you were spiteful. Andrew is too nice. I'd punch you. I was not
05:23:59
Oliver N Housetrying to spite anyone. I'm not trying to slander him at all. I was using the example that was in front of me because he was the one who I debated. I have nothing against the guy personally. By
05:24:10
Andrew Wilsonthe way, Jason Jason, just to be fair to like Mr. Cassell, I'm pretty confident that I said something that might have irked him one night and he threatened to punch me and I might have even like
05:24:20
SPEAKER_00maybe had it coming. Sure. Yeah. All right. He's that way. Using $69. When did Oliver begin his testosterone
05:24:30
Andrew Wilsonlowering regimen? Andrew keep drinking coffee and beer. Miss you on regular whatever podcast. Well, we've had we've had a lot going on. It hasn't been um
05:24:41
Andrew Wilsonjust so that you guys know from a lack of Brian uh asking me to come on. He's asked me to come on tons. Um, we've we've had some differences in schedule, but there's going to be like like I'm
05:24:52
Andrew Wilsonhere right now doing as as kind of as much whatever content as possible. I always have love being on whatever and I probably always will. So, rock and roll. Rock and roll. All right. Let's do uh
05:25:04
Brian Atlaslet's do this. Why don't we do uh closing? Okay. Closing statements. So, I believe uh we have Oliver going first with your closing statement and then Andrew, you will No, it' be the
05:25:16
Andrew Wilsonopposite. I opened you. Well, no. If you open second, I closed last. That's correct. And I did. Did I open first or did you? You open first. You open first. But isn't it No, you open first. You
05:25:28
Oliver N Housewant to give him the last word if I open first? Yeah. But isn't it like you go you go first for the open and then you go second? No, because you don't get the first and last
05:25:41
Andrew Wilsonword. No, you get the first word or the last word. So, well, so how it works is this. If you open, right, amateur hour firms, if you're the one if you're the one who opens up and you are the first
05:25:51
Andrew Wilsonopener, then whoever's the second opener closes last. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. So, whoever's the second over opener closes last. That way it and it
05:26:03
Andrew Wilsonjust has to do with like who's in the stronger position. So, Sure. Okay. Oh, no. I'm sorry. No, I [ __ ] that up, too. [ __ ] I [ __ ] that up, too. First open or last word? That's how it works. First opener. So,
05:26:16
Brian Atlaswho had the first opener? Oh, so you had the first then you get the last word. Oh, I get the last word. Wait, no, you get the last word. Who's the first opener? Oh, wait. You're saying first opener. Last word. Well, wait. But then No. So then if you get the last word,
05:26:28
Andrew Wilsonyou get the first and last word. You were the first opener. So you would go second. If the person If the person Oh, hang on. Make sure to go. Hang on. Let me make sure I got this right. But I think I do. You went first. Yes. If you
05:26:40
Andrew Wilsonopen first, you're in a worse position than the guy who responds to the opener, and that's why you get the last word. I think that's generally how it's So, you get the first and last word. Uh, no,
05:26:51
Andrew Wilsonyou're at a disadvantage if you get the first word, but you're at an advantage with the last word. I don't know, dude. Whatever. But if it is the case that you would prefer that I go first, I'm happy to do it. I don't really have a strong
05:27:04
Brian Atlaspreference. Okay, let's just do this. I'll just go first. Let's No, let's do this. Oliver, you give uh you go first with your closing, then just Andrew, you go. I could also be being stupid here because maybe I am. Maybe I'm just being dumb. Do you want to go first, Andrew?
05:27:16
Andrew WilsonI'll just go first. You go second. Okay. Maybe that that sounds right to me. So, okay. Um, so I caught Oliver in a ton of contradictions in his worldview, a lot of silliness. There was a bunch of other things I wanted to hone down in in
05:27:29
Andrew Wilsonfeminism, but he did a lot of virtue signaling because he didn't want to get into like the age gap argument, even though I think that's completely pertinent because it's part of a feminist worldview. Not only is it part of a feminist worldview, but it's part
05:27:41
Andrew Wilsonof trying to label men as being some type of like super predators. But because they know they can never justify any of those claims when we hone in on them, they completely back away from them as quickly as possible. Oliver
05:27:53
Andrew Wilsonactually stonewalled the debate for a good 40 minutes. maybe more by just refusing to engage in this very prominent feminist view even even though and to to his defense and
05:28:05
Andrew Wilsonthen also at his detriment if it were the case that he didn't have any qualms with it if he was like no I don't have any issues there uh even if it's part of a feminist view I would have moved on but he actually did have issues there
05:28:17
Andrew Wilsonand then just refused to engage and that's [ __ ] and I wouldn't do that back right I just wouldn't do that back the this kind of like many of these tangential issues which come up, all of them are actually relational to
05:28:29
Andrew Wilsonfeminism, especially when we're talking about dating, things like this. I want you to think about all the crazy ass [ __ ] that Oliver has said tonight. Oliver has said uh that he can provide
05:28:40
Andrew Wilsonno justifications for his worldview on age gaps, for instance, and then he moves forward and he's like, "And I just I just don't want to engage. I just I just don't want even though I have no
05:28:52
Andrew Wilsonway to justify any of the things I'm saying. You don't want to engage." He bit the bullet and said he doesn't really care about incestuous relationships ultimately when it comes to between men and women even though how does this rel how is this relationship
05:29:05
Andrew Wilsonand yeah you can go look at it yourself Oliver but how does this relationship end up kind of coinciding with feminist ideology well coincides because of the alternative family unit you may remember we got on this based on alternative families and when we started diving in
05:29:18
Andrew Wilsonhoning in on what alternative families was Oliver choked again right it turns out that he's more akin to our view than we are to his of like the kind of gender
05:29:28
Andrew Wilsoncorrelation and how useful it is towards the kind of dynamic family unit that we want to see in society. Basically, at almost every level, we saw Oliver contradict himself over and over and over again. Now, it's very difficult to
05:29:41
Andrew Wilsonsummarize because we've been in like a 5-hour debate. I'm used to long form debates. I don't mind. But just recognize that the only person here tonight who had a consistent worldview,
05:29:52
Andrew Wilsonwho did not contradict himself and never had any of it refuted was me. The person who had his entire worldview refuted on almost every single point was Oliver. And the person who contradict his
05:30:03
Andrew Wilsonworldview was Oliver. Remember, and you guys can go find this clip. If Oliver decides he wants to clip this up, we'll respond in kind. um where Oliver
05:30:13
Andrew Wilsonsays, um, "My viewpoint may not be consistent, but it's still better better than yours because it wants better things." And it's like, but if it's inconsistent, how do we even know what
05:30:25
Andrew Wilsonthe viewpoint really is? Because it contradicts itself so often. Don't believe any of this [ __ ] This is the typical degenerate nonsense, right? And we really start to move into the views. Oliver really doesn't have [ __ ] He was
05:30:38
Andrew Wilsonlike, "Uh, this guy doesn't want women to vote." And I said, "Well, let's get into women voting and the right to vote, the huge feminist issue." What does he say? I don't want to engage. I'm not getting into a conversation about women voting or men voting or the vote at all.
05:30:50
Andrew WilsonI'm not getting into democracy. I'm not getting into how these things socially impact anything else. All of these are feminist points. He doesn't want to engage with any of them, but he's here to defend feminism. He said, "But only on the points I want to defend feminism
05:31:02
Andrew Wilsonon." Well, you got to refute my points, too, right? You got to refute mine as well. He didn't make a reputation for any [ __ ] point I made. He can't show you ever that he made one because he never did. I refuted every one of his,
05:31:15
Andrew Wilsonthough. You'll find this consistently time and time and time again in my debates with feminists. They cannot defend their view. So, in the last word, I'll say this for for the purpose of
05:31:26
Andrew Wilsoncharitability. Oliver was far less annoying than most of the feminists I debate. And he knows enough at least about philosophy that we could have a conversation. for that. I tip my hat to Oliver and appreciate that. But
05:31:39
Andrew Wilsonultimately, yeah, blown the [ __ ] out and you deserved it because your worldview is totally inconsistent and I wish you would just like if you listened to what I was saying and then actually made reputations to the points, it would go way better for you. So, ultimately, I
05:31:53
Andrew Wilsonjust say this. Thank you for coming out and debating. I really appreciate it. I know it's been a long debate. You're probably not used to those. Um, but uh in the spirit again of charitability, I do appreciate your time and appreciate you coming out.
05:32:05
Oliver N HouseThank you. All good. Yeah, go for it. Okay. Yeah. Uh, thank you to Brian for hosting this. Uh, thank you to Andrew uh for coming out. Um, yeah, this debate has definitely been all over the place.
05:32:17
Oliver N HouseUm, one thing that I will admit is Andrew is better at debating than me. Andrew is better at rhetoric. Andrew is better at framing things, regardless of uh maybe how fair I think characterizations are. Props to you,
05:32:30
Oliver N HouseAndrew. You definitely won the rhetoric points. What I'm largely arguing for is just visions of society. Visions of society that relate to feminism and ones that um don't and just ones that don't relate directly to feminism. But if
05:32:43
Oliver N Housewe're talking about my vision specifically, I am are advocating in favor of women having legal equality, having the right to vote, having the right to bodily autonomy, being able to be financially independent, not having
05:32:55
Oliver N Houseto be dependent on a man, um having freedom and autonomy in other areas of their life. Um, I think that my position is one that embraces western values,
05:33:05
Oliver N Houseembraces life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not this rigid view in which women have to be in this role and men have to be in this role, but individuals themselves, regardless of
05:33:15
Oliver N Housesex and gender, are are um empowered to um reach their highest potential and are not um subjugated from doing so. I mean, in we're talking about Andrew's vision in general, you know, he's saying I didn't push back on the points. I mean,
05:33:28
Oliver N Housefair enough. I didn't make an argument as to why women uh should be able to vote. Um Andrew is in favor of repealing the 19th amendment. Um the worldview that he advocates for is one in which women fundamentally largely are dependent on their husbands and he
05:33:40
Oliver N Houseargues that that's a good thing. Um I think that you know that means that women aren't able to participate equally in the political process. Um, and you know, I I think that Andrew's worldview in terms of the society that he
05:33:53
Oliver N Houseadvocates for and especially his hostility to democracy makes the worldview that he's advocating more for more akin to these Middle Eastern countries that he's against instead of the democracy that we have right now.
05:34:04
Oliver N HouseYou know, I'm I'm not a jihadist, bro. Andrew, wait. Andrew, let him close. there there there are there are similarities between the world views in the in the sense of the cracking down
05:34:16
Oliver N Houseon what people are able to do and what positions they're able to um live in. So, you know, I think on that point um I I have presented what I view as the best version of this and Andrew definitely
05:34:29
Oliver N Housegot me caught in a bunch of different language and rhetorical traps and I'm not denying that. But I think still regardless of that, I think my vision um is a correct one and one that ought to
05:34:39
Brian Atlasbe embraced um even if I didn't do the best job defending it tonight. All right, that was great. Thank you guys. Uh you know what? Here's what
05:34:50
Brian Atlaswe'll do. Uh you guys fine with like a 10-minute roast session? Of course. Yeah, we'll do a 10-minute roast and uh we could banter about a couple things. We do have some super chats that came
05:35:01
Andrew Wilsonthrough. We got Lucas. I call my ride to head over this way, though. He'll stick around while we while we uh Jake or Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll just call him and let him know. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
05:35:11
Brian AtlasI'll be right back. Uh we have uh so $30 TTS for brief roast session, then we're just going to get this wrapped up soon. We do have Lucas here. Hey there,
05:35:22
Brian AtlasCucky. Wow. Uh ple Wow, Lucas. Oh, it's Lucas. Hey, man. Uh pleasure to make your acquaintance. Genuine question. Have you ever had your testosterone level measured? What would you think the
05:35:33
Brian Atlasoverunder is on your testosterone level exceeding the testosterone level of the average woman? Next super chat.
05:35:44
Brian AtlasI'll I'll Yeah, he's here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just have him join the [ __ ] roast. Okay, we can have him come. Have him
05:35:56
Brian Atlascome up so we can join the roast. You want me to get him? Uh um I don't have a key to give you. Or you know what? Give me one sec. But we'll we'll grab him in just a moment.
05:36:08
Brian AtlasOkay. Give me one sec. All right. We got uh So, you know, Lucas, this is what I'll tell you. Lucas, this is what I'm going to tell you. Before the show, I already said
05:36:18
Brian Atlasthis. Before the show, we we do uh we get blood from all the debate participants to test, you know, their their make sure they don't have diabetes. It's it's like uh our
05:36:30
Brian Atlasinsurance. It's a liability thing. We you know like how before a movie they they got to do like a physical. We put uh Oliver through a physical and you know
05:36:40
Brian Atlasflying really good results Oliver. Mhm. Oliver is not amused. Oliver is immune to my charms. No, you're chill, Brian. I've just been
05:36:52
Brian Atlastraveling all day. That's fair. No, that's true. Actually, you flew in today. That's true. That's true. Um, but no, Oliver's testosterone level, Lucas, very high. In fact, Lucas, since you like to challenge people to push-up
05:37:03
Brian Atlascontest, you know what, Oliver? Oliver, would you do a testosterone uh duel with Lucas? And if your testosterone is higher than his, he has
05:37:14
Brian Atlasto pay you $10,000. No, I'm not. Lucas, do you accept that challenge? And if Oliver loses, we're not going to ask him for $10,000, but Oliver, you have to get
05:37:25
Oliver N Houseyour nails painted on stream. I'm That's it. If you lose that, that's it. You just have I Funny Rhetorical point. The The upside is $10,000, Oliver. Yeah, but that's not happening.
05:37:37
Oliver N HouseSo, I understand. No, he might. Lucas is well off. He $10,000, Oliver. I'm not I'm not getting my I'm not getting my testosterone tested. I I I don't I don't care about this. This is not relevant. I'm not going to play into this idea
05:37:50
Brian Atlasthat testosterone makes you more of a man or this idea in general. So, no, I'm not contributing. I tried. Maybe I'll talk to Oliver after the show. I might be able to con, you know, we we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. All right. Thank you, Lucas. Appreciate it. $30 TTS
05:38:02
Brian Atlasroast. Get him in. Final call. Andrew's coming back, guys. We're going to get You know what? We're going to get Jake really quick. We're Hold on one sec. Uh we'll get Jake. You know what? I I'll go
05:38:14
Brian Atlasgrab him and do you want to rejoin the table and uh I'll I'll just go grab him and uh I'll uh Okay, perfect. Perfect. Oliver's going to attack me or nothing
05:38:25
Brian Atlashere. I'm two chats in. All right. Uh but you guys, while I'm gone, you know, I've kept the peace. So when I go away for 2, three minutes to go get Jake, you're good, dude. I want you guys You've already been away. Yeah, you're good, bro. No violence. Not as much as
05:38:38
SPEAKER_00you being away for 2 and 1 half hours during the Jim Bob debate. That's fair. I was sick. I was I needed Oliver sprinkler goes like this. Tweak tweak tweak me sneer me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me
05:38:51
Brian Atlasme me. Yeah, you got to grab Jake, though. Yeah, I'll go. You got to have Jake. All right. All right. We got another one coming in. I'm going to put it Oh, I'll put it here. I'll be right back, folks. Thank you. Perfect.
05:39:03
SPEAKER_00Perfect. So, oh, Intel Wild donated $69. Oliver, if you were in a loving relationship and you're Oliver, if a
05:39:15
Oliver N Housesignificant other wanted you to sit in the corner and watch her get pleasured by another man, no. Would you mean a lot to her? Yeah. No, I wouldn't. That's not something I'm comfortable with. I'm not I know I know the cuck allegations. I
05:39:27
Oliver N Houseknow they're going like crazy, but no, I value, you know, in terms of relationships, in terms of committed relationships, I do value monogamy. And that's not really something that I would enter. You understand why there would be like and now we're like past debate mode
05:39:40
Andrew Wilsonjust in like chill combo mode, right? You understand why men would have such a bad intuition towards that and it's far past social dynamics. Like there's there's like a revoling element to that for a lot of men. I I understand that,
05:39:52
Oliver N Housebut I think it's I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I think it would largely come from you don't want to see like another man like having sex with quote unquote your woman. Like it would be it would be considered emasculating would be
05:40:04
Andrew Wilsonemasculating. It would be kind of like he's well there's betrayal. There's a betrayal aspect too, right? Like the idea that a woman really loves you. She really cares about you. Like she wants to be a So from the Christian view for
05:40:16
Andrew Wilsoninstance, right? My wife's part of me. Okay. That's how that's how we think of it metaphorically, right? Well, no. We we we think that we're quite literally part of each other even beyond like
05:40:28
Andrew Wilsonnumerical identity in terms of the same person. It's not identity, but it's it's difficult to tell where one ends and the other begins. Well, probably that you're here and she's not, right? Well, so you're just talking about the law of
05:40:40
Andrew Wilsonidentity. Sure. So, yeah, there's there would be a distinction in identity, but you understand that you can have two separate Yeah. different sense. You're using Okay, fine. So, the thing is is like that's that's how it is from our
05:40:53
Andrew Wilsonworldview. So as we look at that from our worldview, it's like for me there would be an aspect of massive betrayal even if such a request were made or vice
05:41:02
Andrew Wilsonversa, right? Because it would be me betraying me. You know what I mean? Like if my preference is for me and from my
05:41:12
Andrew Wilsonview like um my uh my deontological view or my Christian ethical view is that if I were to ever sleep with somebody outside of my wife, I'm betraying her.
05:41:23
Andrew WilsonThen even for my wife to make the request to open a relationship up to have sex with another man even with my consent would be an act of betrayal from my view. Okay. Does that make does that mean I don't share the same view but I
05:41:35
Oliver N Houseunderstand on your view how you view it that way? But don't you kind of because like if a woman asked you to open your relationship up I feel sad. I it would be it would be a conversation we would have and be like if it was what was it if it if the convers Well I don't
05:41:48
Oliver N Houseactually think that would ever happen because if I was dating someone and I've probably made it clear to most people that I've dated that that's really that's yeah there's no way I get that but I'm just saying you can envision
05:41:59
Andrew Wilsonthat if it were to happen for some reason how you could feel like that was betrayal. I don't know if I would view it as betrayal. I would view it as more like, dang, it's really unfortunate that
05:42:12
Oliver N Houseit's not working out. It's really unfortunate that we aren't compatible. Oh, broke my pencil. Um, I did that earlier, but I fixed it. There we go. I don't think this is fixable. It's
05:42:23
Oliver N Houseplastic. I can fix it. But Oh, really? Go ahead. There you go. If Andrew can if Andrew can fix the pencil, I'll concede the debate. No. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Um, yeah. I would just view it as like Yeah, it would be really unfortunate. we
05:42:34
Oliver N Housewould be incompatible in that way and we should definitely go find different people to which we So all that would make you sad is that she no longer fits the preferences that you have.
05:42:44
Oliver N HouseWell, in a sense, but it's not just that I um doesn't fit the preferences. It's also just it's sad that we're not compatible in that way. Someone I deeply care about and they have diverging preferences from me. Isn't the idea
05:42:57
Oliver N Housethough of the thing which is making it divergent a feeling of like being betrayed? I don't know. I'm not getting that betrayal feeling. I'm getting the this is really unfortunate. Like I would
05:43:08
Oliver N Housebe like I would I'm not and I I I say this a lot and this is just completely outside the context of debate. Like feelings can't really be wrong. You know what I mean? I don't think you can feel you can't like you can have a feeling.
05:43:20
Oliver N HouseThe feeling can be unjustified. The feeling can be an unfair silly silly or something like that. But it can't be wrong that you're having the feeling. So if I would
05:43:37
Andrew Wilsonnot kind of I think that if you feel betrayed by somebody you have to be at least have some kind of like good established relationship
05:43:48
Andrew Wilsonwith them or what are they betraying? Like if some random leftist I've never met before started attacking me online, they're not betraying me, right? Sure. I'm I'm not that. So there has to be there has to be some kind of like idea.
05:44:00
Oliver N HouseI think they're also in with betrayal. I feel like it has to be some sort of like intent. You know what I mean? Like you if my partner said this to me then I would then I I I would want them to
05:44:12
Oliver N Houseexpress that to me because what if they didn't express it to me and it was happening what it would mean is they were feeling that and it was something that they were feeling but they weren't expressing it to me. And that's worse. I think that the feelings of betrayal happen because you feel like you have
05:44:24
Andrew Wilsonknowledge of the person and you understand that the person kind of like has your back and part of that having your back is the preferencebased thing. Like the idea here is if I was at a bar
05:44:36
Andrew Wilsonwith a good friend of mine and he like unjustly started a fight. Still going to back him up, right? Yeah. I still going to back him up. The thing is though is that like if he just starts Okay, let's
05:44:47
Andrew Wilsonjust start beating the [ __ ] out of some random dude. You're just gonna join in with it. Well, no. No. Then I would try to pull him back, right? But if like that random dude's friends try to come in, well, sure you It's on like [ __ ]
05:44:59
Andrew WilsonDonkey Kong. Sure you want to deal. But by me not doing that, that's where like that feeling of betrayal I would feel like would be justified from him. Even if he's in a what I would consider to be
05:45:10
Andrew Wilsona wrongful action, that's for us to correct. Right. Sure. But how is that what's the parallel? Because it would be the same thing in relationship. It's like the idea is um what what makes it feel like betrayal
05:45:22
Andrew Wilsonis like I know you so well, right? You know me so well. You know what what it is that we're kind of about. And then you're trying to like hang on. You're trying to kind of like change the system
05:45:32
Oliver N Houseon me in a way. I know. I think that you actually don't know someone as well as you do if they are having this feeling and not telling you in the feeling of
05:45:44
Andrew Wilsonbetrayal. Like if this person comes out with like like like let's say you had a great experience with a person, you were having like a great night, a good close friend, and then the next day he comes out and he's like, "Oh, this [ __ ] person's a piece of [ __ ] and he's a this
05:45:57
Oliver N Houseand a that." Don't you feel betrayed by that? Well, I do, but they're also making a conscious decision to do it in a way that is disparaging and maybe not like if they just like like if you had a great time and they're recounting their
05:46:09
Oliver N Houseevents truthfully and they're just like I don't know like maybe they had a misunderstanding and then they're suddenly just like yeah I really didn't like that this person did this and it just made me feel this way and I just have a completely different fact they
05:46:20
Oliver N Housewere even public about it makes it feel like the betrayal part 100% but I'm also not saying that within that type of relationship what a woman should do if she's having problems in a relationship or a man for that matter is if she wants
05:46:32
Andrew Wilsonto open the relationship just go and tell every one of her friends, "Oh my god, I want to open the relationship." Doesn't it follow that most of the time a woman would want to open a relationship or a man is because they're
05:46:41
Andrew Wilsonhaving experiences with other women or other men and they're kind of like feeling like they're attracted. That's what triggers this very idea of trying to approach their partner about the open
05:46:53
Oliver N Houserelationship. I'm not sure. I think it sometimes can it could it could absolutely follow that someone like is having doesn't that feel like betrayal? It it feels like betrayal if once again that comes out of nowhere. Okay, but if
05:47:06
Brian Atlasyou're just so that we can get this wrapped up by the time uh Lucas really quick. Lol. Sure. Challenge accepted. Testosterone level as per test 6 months ago equals
05:47:17
Brian Atlas810. Damn. Uh whatever that is at 50 years old. That's pretty good. 6' 8 at 50 is pretty good. Uh 6'4, 235 lbs, bench over 300 lb. Happy to provide
05:47:28
Brian Atlasreceipts on all the foregoing metrics and no TRT, at least not yet. That's like [ __ ] 19year-old levels, dude. Yeah, that's [ __ ] wild. All right, guys. Uh $30 TTS. Get them in. Last call
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SPEAKER_00on these cuz we got to get this wrapped up for everybody. We got Stream Rift here coming in. Thank you, man. Stream Rift donated $30. Appreciate it, man. Brian, you and Andrew do the Lord's work. Thank you for being you. Oliver, I
05:47:53
SPEAKER_00missed most of this, but no one with your views starts off with a bad heart. You are acting like a man and showing up. Starting. All right, we got there, bro. You'll get there. Randy donated a
05:48:05
SPEAKER_00contrast. So, boy, you cross her legs like a lady. Clear sign that her feminine, have small balls, and low tea. I
05:48:15
SPEAKER_00want you here. work blue collar for five plus years. It'll help you. Blue collar. Blue collar work would help you actually. Just like try it. Just just go
05:48:28
SPEAKER_00like do HVAC for a few weeks. I did landscaping a bit over the summer. That's that's tough work. Yeah, it is. That's tough work. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Got these nates. Dates donated $30.
05:48:38
SPEAKER_00Oliver, I'm not going to play into the idea that testosterone makes you more of a man. A single tear falls down the face of Oliver's trans male fans getting hormone therapy.
05:48:52
Oliver N House[Laughter] That was like that was pretty clever. Okay. I mean, I don't know how serious of a response you want from me.
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SPEAKER_00Yeah. All right. Anime busters $30. Love the handshake between you two. Love seeing honor even between philosophical
05:49:14
SPEAKER_00enemies. I also owe Oliver an apology. I called you a vampire looking ass boy. You're just young and you are an okay guy. There's hope. They retracted the
05:49:27
SPEAKER_00vampire allegations. By the way, I initiated a handshake just to $30. You're not a bad guy, Oliver. You've just been propagandized by your live
05:49:37
SPEAKER_00[ __ ] professors. Your whole ideology is a massive vic for women. Listen to Andrew. He has wisdom and rockolid logic. This doesn't come from my college professors, mind you. Okay? I go to one of the most liberal universities in the
05:49:50
Andrew Wilsoncountry, and I hate some of those people. Totally disassociated from the fact that you do that, though. Your ideology, your ideology is completely disassociated from the fact you go to some of the most the most liberal school in the country. Dude, I am dis I am
05:50:03
Andrew Wilsondisillusioned by a lot of that stuff. There's an old saying, Oliver, right? And you can find it in the original Batman movie by Tim Burton. It's great. If you dance with the devil, the devil don't change. The devil changes you.
05:50:13
Andrew WilsonThey have actually changed me a bit. And they've changed me probably against some of the things that they believe in. Oh my god, that's the greatest thing ever. I hope that we can continue this with
05:50:23
Andrew Wilsonyou having more engagements with leftist until you become me at 40. No. I mean, I talked to I talked $30. I'm
05:50:34
Brian Atlasgoing to say what everyone here is thinking. Oliver is a cool cuck. Nice. It's a compliment. Well, oh, thank the first part. Oh, thank goodness. Yeah, the first part. Better than a normal
05:50:47
Brian Atlasone. Uh, guys, final call. Last call. Again, if you want to get a roast in, we have Oh, boy. Okay, I'll let it not be donated $30. Why is it always the geese that defend feminism? This is the question. Hey, I saw Jim Bob down there.
05:51:00
Brian AtlasThere. I'll read that really quick. Made by Jim Bob Oliver. If I see the wisdom of an old soul in my spouse, does it follow that I want to bang an old person? $30. Oliver is definitely pasty enough
05:51:12
Andrew Wilsonto be a white knight. Andrew, keep it up. Watching Crucible and your debates. Enjoy watching you crush blue hairs. Keep it up. Yes, sir. And thank you to
05:51:23
Andrew Wilsoneverybody at the Crucible right now who stuck it through this whole debate. I hope you had a great time. I mean, at the whatever uh chat, you guys have always been well, not always been very
05:51:33
Andrew Wilsonwelcoming, but I feel like over the course of almost several years now, I've uh done my part to win you over to possibly at least some parts of my ideology, but I always felt very welcome
05:51:44
Brian Atlashere. And so, for that, I thank you. Rock and roll, guys. Okay, cool. So, uh those are all that came through. If there's any that kind of sneak in here at the end, feel free to get a final roast in here. Hold on one sec. You
05:51:57
SPEAKER_02going to grab a beer? I got one left in there. Oh, we should we should give him one of the the He has to drive though. He's got to drive, bro. The Australian
05:52:07
Brian Atlashas to drive. I'm already like my chances of like Oh, did uh you know, I know we're kind of over the debate session, but if you guys want to have a more casual conversation, never really got into the force doctrine con though.
05:52:19
Brian AtlasDo you guys want to have like a man? I got five minute. I Bro, I got somewhere else I got to get to today. Oh, you do? Okay. Okay. Got it. Yeah. And we have we still have some things to talk about after this. So, Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Well, I'll get this all
05:52:32
Brian Atlaswrapped up then. Rock and roll. There's two more chats coming through, then we'll wrap this up. Uh and if any trickle through, we'll get to them. But all right, we have What do you guys think? A little bit of weight loss. It's happening. One shot to 17 donated $30. One shot. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you
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SPEAKER_00for defending Jim Bop. You don't ever have Oliver. I may despise your views, but he'll apologize for calling you a pig snake weasel since you recalled your Jimbop statement. Kyrie Elli, you don't you don't first of all, you don't ever
05:52:58
SPEAKER_00have to thank me for defending my friends. That's my honor and my privilege to do. All right, we have Jason Cassell. Thank you, Jason. Jason Castle donated $30. Is
05:53:10
SPEAKER_00it Castle? Oliver, the whole point of indoctrination is that you would not be aware of the indoctrination. Yes, your school most likely has a big impact. True, but I've actually become
05:53:21
Oliver N Houseless, I guess, progressive on certain things. So since my time in school, I've moved away from some things. I feel like this arc will continue all over. I don't
05:53:31
Oliver N Housethink it's fully gonna continue. I don't I, you know, I don't agree with most if not with what you said. However, why don't you get these liberal professors to come in and debate with me? I would
05:53:41
Andrew Wilsonlove that so much. Just crush these leftist professors. Well, would you guys do a uh a round two conversation? Of course. I'm always uh for people who
05:53:52
Andrew Wilsoncome in, they have spirited debates. They're willing to move into the worldviews. We can get upset during the debate. We can get, you know, kind of at each other's throats during the debate.
05:54:04
Andrew WilsonI've never taken any of this personally with anybody and I still don't. Okay. So, if you ever want to do round two, of course, I'm open for it. You open to it, Oliver? Yeah. I mean, it also just
05:54:15
Brian Atlasreally depends on scheduling and stuff. I've been here two times in the past. And for that, I thank you, by the way. Yeah. Rock and roll. All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed the stream. Kindly like
05:54:26
Brian Atlasthe video. Please like the video. Let me just make sure we're all good to get this wrapped, guys. Like the video, please. On the way out, if you enjoyed the stream, give me one sec, guys. Just
05:54:38
Brian Atlasa quick update on our schedule. We have another debate with Andrew Wilson tomorrow. We have a dating talk panel Sunday. We have a debate Monday. That's going to be an interesting one. Uh
05:54:50
Brian Atlassomebody you guys probably know. Uh and then Tuesday we have uh Tuesday's we might actually shift the programming for that, but we got a super panel, potentially a super panel. Uh
05:55:02
Brian Atlasfingers crossed on that. So full packed schedule for the next couple days. So be sure to tune in. We're aiming to go live about 3:30 p.m. tomorrow though for tomorrow's debate with Andrew Wilson and