Andrew Wilson vs. Woke Male Feminist Oliver | Whatever Debates #18
Date: 2025-05-17
Duration: 5h 55m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_03Oliver N House(guest)
SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:10
IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Oliver N House (Oberlin triple-major)
00:45:55
Key MomentOliver admits prefers experienced women; Andrew labels it 'certified pre-f***ed woman worship'
02:17:48
Key MomentAndrew says 'woman, get me a beer' to production staff; Oliver stands up in protest
02:39:48
ControversyAge gap debate: Oliver calls 41yo dating 18yo predatory but cannot give precise cut-off. 40+ min argument.
05:16:00
Key MomentOliver apologizes for reckless language implying Jim Bob had PDF-adjacent tendencies
05:32:42
AgreementOliver concedes Andrew won on rhetoric but reaffirms feminist vision
Topics Discussed
00:00:10
Opening Statements
Andrew lists feminist-caused male burdens. Oliver defines feminism as equal rights, cites dual-income poverty protection.
00:33:36
Promiscuity and Virginity Debate
Andrew: virgins report highest marital satisfaction. Oliver: prefers experienced women. 'Certified pre-f***ed' exchange.
02:39:48
Age Gap Relationships
Oliver: 41-year-olds dating 18-year-olds is predatory but can't specify age cut-off. Andrew refuses to move on for ~40 min.
04:25:54
Misandry and Kill All Men
Oliver: 'kill all men' is imprecise frustration, less harmful than misogyny. Andrew challenges the differential impact claim.
05:16:00
Jim Bob PDF Implication
Andrew confronts Oliver about implying Jim Bob had PDF-adjacent tendencies. Oliver apologizes.
05:26:54
Closing Statements
Andrew claims total victory. Oliver concedes rhetoric loss but reaffirms feminist vision.
Transcript
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02:59:03
Oliver N Housewho is similar in your age range? Even if you care about having kids, then maybe you date someone who's a little younger. But that doesn't mean that you date someone who is literally as young
02:59:12
Oliver N Houseas you can possibly date without going to jail. That is that is [ __ ] weird. I guarantee most of these people would go lower even if Andrew is trying to make some arbitrary argument as to why
02:59:24
Oliver N House18 is the best line even though child marriage is legal in so many areas of the United States. Is that Andrew's argument though that 18 is the best? Yeah, he was making that argument 17. No, because 18 is the peak
02:59:36
Oliver N Houseof I don't know if he was saying best. He was just saying that is the line. Peak of fertility. Well, that that is the line. And I think that that I think that is a weird arbitrary line. Yeah, but I don't think Andrew would say that
02:59:48
Brian Atlaslike that he could somebody could date somebody who's 25. If you're 18, I still think that's a little weird. 18 and 25. No, no, I'm saying like a 30-year-old could date a 25-year-old. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.
02:59:59
Oliver N HouseYeah. Um, what I guess what would you say is the like is 3020? Would you say that that's too much of a I mean I can't be I don't look I think I think if you were well out of college, you probably shouldn't date someone who's in college.
03:00:11
Oliver N HouseLike I just I think if you were in different stages of your life, it's just like find someone who compliments and matches you, not who you can kind of rule over. So what what do you think about like
03:00:22
Brian Atlasuh in terms of experience? Let's say the younger woman has vastly more experience. Like, let's say she's a 20-year-old stripper and then she's and she's slept with like a hundred men
03:00:34
Brian Atlasversus uh she's going to date a guy who's married his high school sweetheart and she he just got divorced and he's in his mid30s and he's only been with her. Don't you think you can make an argument
03:00:44
Brian Atlasthe opposite direction where the n the 20-year-old stripper is like there's way more opportunity for her to be uh predatory towards the 35-year-old like
03:00:54
Oliver N Housein what way? Lack of experience. Like for instance, Emanuel Mcron his wife. Oh, dating like his Yeah, his like teacher. That's kind of weird. He like dated his drama teacher. It totally didn't work out. That's true. What is
03:01:06
SPEAKER_00the moral? Totally didn't work out, right? Crossing age gap dating. Totally didn't work out. Don't you get it? Vampire looking bunnies boy. The most powerful man. 18year-old lived experience is not the same. I think if
03:01:17
Andrew Wilsonyou want to date your former students, that's kind of weird. Yeah. So, so, so Emanuel Mron shouldn't be married to his wife by your metric. I think I think it is weird that he chose to do that. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm actually unwilling. I'm actually
03:01:30
Andrew Wilsonunwilling. If he says I'm just gonna check out of the conversation, I am unwilling to move the conversation forward until we finish this. Okay. I'm completely unwilling to Can we do this? What if we That's it. If you check out
03:01:42
Andrew Wilsonwhen you say I check out of the debate on a pinnacle talking point from feminists, right, I am unwilling to move the conversation forward to [ __ ] anything until this is settled. I will check out of the conversation on you trying to justify 41y olds dating 18
03:01:54
Andrew Wilsonyear olds. Then then we're at an impass. If you refuse to engage in the conversation without giving me a single justification for the [ __ ] view with a common feminist talking point, I won't
03:02:05
Andrew Wilsonmove the conversation forward until this is settled. I haven't run from any [ __ ] thing that you've said. It's intellectual cowardice and it's all designed to demonize men and try to make them into hyper predators cuz they're
03:02:17
Oliver N Houseattracted to younger women. Men aren't hyper predators, Andrew. I'm not saying they are. Then tell me the justifications for your [ __ ] view, please. When we are talking about older
03:02:27
Andrew Wilsonmen dating women who are just out or are 18 years old, I am arguing. You said 20, too. You said 20 was unacceptable for 35 and 20. They're not fresh out of high
03:02:39
Andrew Wilsonschool. 35 and 35 and 20. I don't think you should date someone who's like if if you're not in college, I don't think you should be dating someone who is like in college if you're working. Yeah. No, it's not high school. So, you're [ __ ] lying. You're such a disingenuous liar.
03:02:51
Andrew Wilson18 school. It's not fresh out of [ __ ] high school. You're saying that you don't think if you're out of college, you should date people in college either. Probably not. So, you're just lying. The view still is that men are
03:03:02
Andrew Wilsonpredatory. They're not inherently men who are 41 and date 18y old men who are 41. How does that mean? All men are predatory. You said 20, 22, 23 is still
03:03:13
Andrew Wilsonin college, by the way. And on top of that, what is the problem with a man who is 35 or 40 dating a woman in college? What? Yeah, you got [ __ ] nothing. I need a
03:03:24
Oliver N Housejustification, please. Because you are dating someone who you are in an in incredibly different life stage. Everybody who dates, everybody's in an incredibly different life stage
03:03:36
Oliver N Housethan everybody else. And age can be an equalizer. What does that mean? It means that a 35year-old and a 35year-old or a 35year-old and a 30-year-old have probably had more life experience to
03:03:48
Oliver N Housemature, to figure out what they like and don't like, to figure out how to navigate relationships where potentially there could be bad things that happen. An 18-year-old likely doesn't have a lot
03:03:59
Andrew Wilsonof that. So, they might There's not a precise line, Andrew. Yeah. Okay. So, great. So, then the case is a 35-year-old dating a 22-year-old. 35-year-old 22-y old I'm not the arbiter
03:04:12
Oliver N Houseof this when it I don't care it's a feminist talking point it's demonization I need the justifications for the view soiety's paradox you're trying to paradox yes you are you're trying to you're trying to nail me down on one
03:04:23
Andrew Wilsonspecific year well this is too much and that's not the paradox you can use you can use whole decades I don't give a [ __ ] okay you can I just want the justification for this because it makes
03:04:34
Andrew Wilsonno sense it's contrary to your other views at 2223 189 19. They're they're fully able to sign contracts, uh, vote, do all these other things which you think they ought to be able to do, but
03:04:47
Andrew Wilsonfor some reason this somehow is predatory. And you say, quote, "Weird." Uh, but weird isn't really it. It's predatory from your view. I want to know
03:04:56
Andrew Wilsonwhy it is then. Why is it that you think on the attraction metric that when men are shown attractive young women who are between the ages of 18 and 25, all
03:05:07
Andrew Wilsonalmost all respondents universally say that they're very attracted to that? Okay. Very few respondents on the female side say that they're attracted to much older men. Why do you think that is? I mean, this largely makes sense. Who people are attracted to biologically
03:05:20
Oliver N Housedoesn't doesn't have bearing on what necessarily largely makes sense. Why? I'm not saying that fertility is not a thing. Andrew, marginally makes sense. Why? I because people want to date
03:05:31
Oliver N Housepeople who they probably cannot attracted are attracted to. Why? Why are they attracted to them? Because they can have the kids. Correct. And I said that. So, you know what? You know what you should do? You know what you should do?
03:05:41
Oliver N HouseIf if you are if you are 41 and you didn't have kids, don't outsource that to an 18-year-old. You should have had kids earlier. Why did you do that? I don't understand. pray on an
03:05:53
Andrew WilsonI just want to make sure I got this right have kids I just want to make sure I got this right this is this is fun so it is the case then right that if older men are attracted to those younger women and there is a subset of younger women
03:06:06
Oliver N Housewho are attracted older men by the way okay uh then evolution made a mistake um I think things can be evolutionary evolutionarily beneficial and not actually beneficial to how we run our
03:06:18
Andrew Wilsonsociety let's think about why would those Why would that subset of women attracted even though most of these men are physically less attractive than men that are in Ogap? Why would those Why would that subset of women be attracted to those men? Do you think
03:06:31
Oliver N Houseevolutionarily? I think that women can be attracted to older men because they think that they're more like secure. They think they're more financially stable. That's why I don't think it's as problematic for those women to want to
03:06:42
Oliver N Housedate those men than it is for those men to want to date those women. Why don't I don't Why? Wait, what? Wait, wait, wait. You got I don't I don't I I don't think it is as I think it's still weird and I
03:06:52
Andrew Wilsondon't think they should no. Back up. Back up. Back up. It's not as Let me Hang on. Hang on. What are the reason? Hang on. It's not as problematic Mhm.
03:07:02
Andrew Wilsonfor women to be attracted to older men as it is for older men to be attracted to younger women. Different than acting on it for and acting on it. Yes. Why is it more problematic? I'll say, okay,
03:07:14
Andrew Wilsonwhat are the reasons why women are attracted to older men? For all sorts of reasons. All sort. Well, we can go through the entire list, right? Because they want safety and security for their children. Okay? Big one. Safety and
03:07:26
Oliver N Housesecurity for their children. Which, by the way, most men inside the age bracket of 22, 23, 24 can't provide that. They can't provide it. Then you should wait to get married later. Well, what if you want to have a lot of children? Then have a lot of children within that age
03:07:40
Andrew Wilsonbracket. Like, I don't know. And if you have a lot of kids within that age bracket with someone around your age, that's they're not going to be as secure. Yeah. Then find someone who is secure, Andrew. Well, what if you can't?
03:07:52
Andrew WilsonWhat if the the case is Do you think that most men at 24 like if a woman wants to have six kids and make sure they're all secure? Do you think that there's like a huge market for 20-year-old men who want that?
03:08:02
Andrew Wilson20-year-old men who want that? Yeah. Probably not 20-year-olds, but 24. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. No, there's not. How? That's such bull because we can look at the polling data for for men and
03:08:13
Andrew Wilsonsee what they want at these ages. 22, 23, 24. They're still in like playing the field mode. They're still in college themselves. Sure. Right. They haven't even established a [ __ ] career. They're not thinking about how do I
03:08:24
Andrew Wilsonsupport six children yet? Okay. Right. Doesn't that follow? I don't think that therefore that justifies older men dating really. Yeah. What if it is the case that there's a subset of women, and there obviously is, that are attracted
03:08:37
Andrew Wilsonto older men. And one of the major reasons they're attracted to those older men is because they want security and safety for their children. And they know they have high access to resources through that man and security and
03:08:47
Andrew Wilsonprotection. And men in their own age peer group cannot almost ever provide that. Okay. Why do men want to date younger women then? because they want
03:08:58
Andrew Wilsonalso to have a vessel for which to reproduce many children and the attractiveness level is high because of that. Okay. Yeah. And you're reducing women to vessels then. No, I I didn't What did I say? I did two criteria. You
03:09:11
Andrew Wilsonsaid that men are attracted to younger women because they've you don't date people you're not attracted to, right? Of course. So if their attraction level is really high to a younger woman and that woman can provide a lot of kids, it
03:09:21
Andrew Wilsonseems like it seems really beneficial to me that in a society if there are a subset of younger women who are attracted to older men and there's older women who are attracted to those younger women and those younger women can give
03:09:34
Andrew Wilsonthem many children and those men can take care of them. That seems super [ __ ] beneficial to me to society. If you only care about having children and being physically attracted to the person you're married, both are physically attracted to each other. No, but fine.
03:09:46
Oliver N HouseBut in you, are the only things you care about in a marriage or something like that is whether you're physically attracted to the person and whether they can be marry you. I think without the two without the first component of attraction, there's no relationship anyway. For sure. Okay. So, that's going
03:09:59
Andrew Wilsonto be the most important criteria is attraction. Absent attraction, there's no [ __ ] relationship. You agree with that? Yeah, probably. Okay. So, both these people are attracted. the building the major building block which is their
03:10:10
Andrew Wilsonattraction is there. Okay. The second criteria is safety security for the woman, right? And perhaps she wants a sophisticated man or she wants somebody who has more access to uh being able to
03:10:21
Andrew Wilsontake her on vacations or be able to show her the world or this or this or this or this or this and he has access to those things. Do men generally in her age bracket have those things? Um probably not. Probably not. So, how is this not a
03:10:34
Oliver N Housecompletely beneficial relationship to both? Because I don't think this bears out like you are claiming that it does. I would like to I would like to look What do you mean? I would like to look
03:10:44
Andrew Wilsonat how many 41y olds are marrying 18y olds and then how it works out. Well, I would like to look at how many [ __ ] 22y olds marry 22 year olds and how often that works out. Guess what? It has
03:10:54
Andrew Wilsona like a 30 or 40% failure rate. Okay. So, marrying in your own age bracket, the most comprehensive study that I looked at, which is in the UK, which really judged this by marriage, saw no
03:11:05
Andrew Wilsonadditional failure in marriage rates. No additional failure. Okay, cool. I can send you that study. Okay, sounds good. So, so what if that was the case? What would be your objection then? What would
03:11:18
Oliver N Housebe my objection? I'm still saying I'm still saying that it is predatory. Wow. Because they are preying on people who are much younger than It's not predatory. What is a pred What is a
03:11:27
Oliver N Housepredator to you? Someone who is looking for someone who is much more vulnerable than they are. Yeah. That's not what they're looking for. Are you saying that 18-year-old women are largely not more
03:11:38
Andrew Wilsonvulnerable? No. No. No. No. Hang on. What you just said was they're looking for that. Mhm. That is not a provable case that these men are looking for
03:11:50
Andrew Wilsontheir 22year-old bride because she's more vulnerable. That is you making an assertion. What is the case right is that uh they both have a beneficial relationship when it comes to the
03:12:02
Andrew Wilsonresource allocation for one the attractiveness level of both and the uh childbearing which is capable. Why is it that you make the assertion that they're specifically searching for vulnerable people? Correct. Because do you think
03:12:14
Andrew Wilsonthat that man probably wants that woman to be submissive, follow his lead, do whatever he says in pick up and move across the country if they say you want to go to Nevada. who are in those age gap relationships say the opposite. They
03:12:25
Andrew Wilsonsay, "I love the energy that she has, right? That's kind of wonderful that she has this kind of like positive energy and a bit of like exuberance." And you know what the big key is? Not as much [ __ ] baggage. They don't have as much
03:12:38
Andrew Wilsonbaggage. So, because they haven't [ __ ] everybody on planet Earth, right? They haven't had these massive um you know, promiscuous relationships and [ __ ] like this. They come into these relationships with less baggage. How does that make
03:12:49
Andrew Wilsonthem more vulnerable? Make them more vulnerable. Yeah. I already said they it would actually make you more vulnerable if you had baggage. How does it make you more vulnerable? Oh, because then suddenly you have [ __ ] kids which can be leveraged against you. Perhaps you have exes that have to be dealt with.
03:13:02
Andrew WilsonPerhaps you have all sorts of negative associations with men that now this new man has to deal with. There's all sorts of vulnerability issues which arise from that. All right, let's let's move on. Let's move on. No, let's not move on. I
03:13:13
Brian Atlaswant a reputation to this. I'm not I'm not engaging with I'm not [ __ ] I'm sorry. Fine. Just don't engage in the debate. I won't engage in the debate until we talk about other things, right? What What if we do this? We have a bunch of chats to come through. Get through
03:13:26
Brian Atlasand then Andrew, if you want to bring it up again, see if you'll bite. Let me get through. I just don't know why you are so [ __ ] terrified of this convo. Dude, I think it's pretty terrifying trying to justify 41-year-old. I think
03:13:38
Andrew Wilsonit's terrifying that if you have such a worldview like this where you consider these adults to be [ __ ] vulnerable but can't make a single good argument for why, that terrifies [ __ ] me. Okay. All right, let's do this. If you guys
03:13:51
Andrew Wilsonwant to continue the conversation a bit. I've had Only Fans hookers who can make better justifications than you have for this, dude. Oh, really? Yes. Sounds good. I'm sure you would date them, too. I would date Only Fans hookers. Mhm. No,
03:14:03
Andrew Wilsonyou're the one who says you want lots of sexual experience for your woman so that she feels good about you. You would be the one who would deate uh date Only Fans hookers, dude. Not me. What do you mean? By the way, I'm happily married.
03:14:15
Brian AtlasOkay. Was my wife an Only Fans hooker, bro? No. No, just [ __ ] dumb. All right, if one request though, guys, just because we have a lot of chats that
03:14:27
Brian Atlashave come through. Uh, let me get through. There's like 15. Yeah, I'll have a smoke while you get the chats through. Uh, do you want to stay for a few of them? Stay for like five and then take a break. No problem. You just had the smoke, Andrew. I want another one. This guy's chain smoking then. Have you
03:14:40
Brian Atlasever seen me debate? What? What do you mean? What's it look like? Just saying. Just saying. I'm just giving you a hard time. All right, we got De's Nates here.
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SPEAKER_00$100. Andrew is prime form sleep. Is Oliver a cuck? You are so luckily Andrew is allowing you to make prescriptive statements with minimum challenge. You have no epistemic grounding to be making
03:15:35
Andrew Wilsonought claims. And I'm not even attacking his epistemic grounding here. I'm literally I you know, it's really funny. I know why people want to avoid the the claims so badly. I get that, right? But
03:15:47
Andrew WilsonI have been super charitable and not been reducing things to these like kind of moral rooted epistemic as good. I'm glad we didn't. Instead, I've been just looking for basic justifications for
03:15:58
Andrew Wilsonyour worldview. Just basic ones. And every time we uh dive into them, you lose every single point. And that's so bizarre to me why it is that you Well, you can either have a consistent
03:16:09
Oliver N Houseworldview that says that women shouldn't vote and that there's no problem with 40-year-olds dating 18-year-olds, I guess. Or you can maybe have a slightly inconsistent worldview, but don't think that those two things are things that we should allow. Well, it's not just an
03:16:22
Andrew Wilsoninconsistent worldview, but you haven't even gotten into my worldview about women voting. You're just lying again. When did we debate about women voting? When have I given you a position? Andrew, are you denying that you don't think women should vote? I don't think
03:16:33
Andrew Wilsonmost people should vote, okay? Including most women, but I would not monolithically ever state. Okay. Yeah. I think that most men and most women should not vote. And guess who else
03:16:45
Andrew Wilsonagreed with me? Our founding fathers. Oh, really? And they also they also thought black people shouldn't vote, too. They thought they were threeths of a person. But here's the thing. Why are you Do you think that if they didn't like Xgroup that they were wrong about everything? Um, do you like your first
03:16:58
Oliver N Houseamendment? Do you like your first amendment? Cuz racist gave you your first amendment, bro. No, I didn't say that. I didn't say the founding I didn't say I didn't say the founding fathers were all wrong whatsoever at all. However, they did give us a document that was meant to be amended. Meaning,
03:17:10
Oliver N Housewe don't just look to their original purposes and what they necessarily wanted to determine how we should go. Yeah. But there's some there's some case use right for us making the good and
03:17:22
Andrew Wilsoncredible claims that a lot of our founders were against racism considering the fact that slavery I'm sorry against slavery because it was internationally abolished under their watch. It was only inside the United States that these were
03:17:34
Andrew Wilsongrandfathered slaves. Do you know what year international slavery was abolished in the United States? International slavery. Yeah. Meaning they could no longer import Africans from Africa. was sometime definitely after 1619 but
03:17:46
Andrew Wilsonsometime between 1619 long before the civil war right okay no I I don't so the thing is is like we have good credible evidence for what they wanted on that front and the fact they even included a three-fifths clause the fact they even
03:17:59
Andrew Wilsonincluded that show that they were trying to at least in comparison to the rest of the world give some humanity some humanity treating people as three-fifths of a person in comparison to the rest of the world who utilize nothing but
03:18:10
Andrew Wilsonslavery right that would be a progressive doctrine right Mhm. M yeah. Yeah. You know, you killed 38 people, but you didn't kill the 39. So, I'm really happy. Okay, here's the thing. If homos homosexuals in early United States
03:18:22
Oliver N Housewere castrated rather than killed, isn't that a progressive doctrine for the time? No, it's not progressive for the time. No, but just slightly better. So, wait. And that would be progress. It's not progress. Things that are slightly
03:18:35
Andrew Wilsonbetter, they're still in the same category of things. They're still bad. Yes. But it's still a progressive doctrine for its time slot, right? Yeah. Same thing. Same thing when it comes to
03:18:44
Oliver N Houseslavery. No, they were still very progressive for the time. Yes. How? Look at all the rest of the world. Okay. Things that being better doesn't mean that it was progressive because they were What does progressive mean? What
03:18:57
Oliver N Housedoes progressive mean? It means largely you want to change things to better the future. They weren't. All right, we can do the next chat. We're clipping it. Clip it. Clip it. Watch the
03:19:09
Andrew Wilsonperformative. Watch him literally say it's not progressive. And then when I ask him why, give me the exact definition for why that was [ __ ] progressive. For the three-fifths compromise did it because they didn't view black people as human beings.
03:19:22
Brian AtlasThat's why there was a compromise which made it progressive. Okay. All right. I'll let some of the guys we got a bunch of chats. So, uh, let's let some of the chats come through. If you
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SPEAKER_00guys can give shortlue.net donated $69. Yo, what's up? Thank you, man. What if it's a very rich 18 years/o lady and a very poor 41
03:19:43
SPEAKER_00years/ man? How does this affect the power argument? Two. What age is okay for an 18 years/o to reproduce with if
03:19:53
Andrew Wilsonnot 41 38 32.5? Can't give you a number. It's a get complicated. There's it's a thresh. Oliver, do you want to give a
03:20:05
Oliver N Housequick answer to what if it's a very rich 18-year-old lady and a very poor 41-y old man? So, there's obviously various considerations to be had in terms of power dynamics. I'm not saying money is
03:20:16
SPEAKER_00the only thing involved there. So, I still think it would be not a good idea. Okay. All right. We have Never Mind here. Thank you for your message. Thank you. Never mind. Never mind donated $70.
03:20:28
SPEAKER_00Oliver Rien, your societal views are entirely based on your experience with hardship. Go experience war or real struggle and see if you have the same perspective on
03:20:41
Oliver N Housewhat is equal. Okay, quick quick response. I mean, this is this is a very strange argument because you're basically claiming that, you know, oh, when things get worse, you know, there there isn't equality or this
03:20:53
Oliver N Houseidea that if if this this idea of this fallacy of relative provation that like things can't relative. We can't want we can't want to improve society now because in a different state things would regress to a different time. It's
03:21:05
Andrew Wilsonnot relative preva and here's why it's not. I'll explain it because you said that these are all of your views on this for today's debate are conditional. Sure. And so because every one of of them is conditional, you're basing them around the intuition of other people.
03:21:18
Andrew WilsonThat's going to require experience, right? Hang on. Is that going to require experience? Sure. Well, I don't know how that has anything to do with that. If you deny because because it wouldn't be the fallacy of provation if you gave the criteria for
03:21:29
Oliver N Houseconditionals. That's why learn philosophy. You're [ __ ] terrible at it. No. If you want to deny the things that I've said woman over there, grab me a beer, would you? Oh, did that make you mad? No. Uh, can we get Oliver some
03:21:41
SPEAKER_02water, too? All right. Here. I'm going to let I'm going to get my old one. Oh, you got to get it yourself. You wouldn't want to put her out, Oliver. You don't want to put her out, would you?
03:21:53
Andrew WilsonIt's a Oliver. It's fine. I'm going to contribute to the fact. I will. You're not going to contribute to my massive massage. Look at how upset she is, dude. You see how pissed she is that I that I said, "Hey, woman, grab me
03:22:06
Andrew Wilsona beer." You're pretty upset, aren't you? Look at her. Look at how mad she is, bro. She is [ __ ] seething right now. Oliver put it. But that's what makes that beer taste so good. I'm sure.
03:22:18
Brian AtlasYeah. Mhm. But Oliver, was that in response to Andrew's beer comment that you were gonna get your own water or just Yeah. You just want Yeah. Okay. It was like you were So you're making a statement. Mhm. I'm I'm I'm not going to
03:22:31
Oliver N Housecontribute to the fact that Andrew does that. Betrays women as as as as that is their proper role or something like that cuz Andrew does think that. No, you see how upset she is. Look at her. I know. Look at She looks pretty mad. Uhhuh.
03:22:44
Brian AtlasYeah. While she's smiling and laughing her ass off. Yeah. Okay. Also, it's almost like she's not confused with interpersonal dynamics the same way you are. All right, sounds good. Andrew, Andrew is bantering, you know, a little bit, interpersonal dynamics. It's not
03:22:56
Andrew Wilsonbanter when you genuinely think that's what women should do. Do you think that I have a history of mistreating women? I have no idea. I don't Then why would you make this kind of claim? Like, do you think that she was just mistreated? Your other views. Do you think she was just
03:23:08
Andrew Wilsonmistreated? Mistreated? Yeah. I think there was. I think Well, I said woman and very precisely told her to get me a beer. Was she mistreated? I think so. I think you said you think I was
03:23:19
Oliver N Housemistreated. I think you made I think her misogynist. I'm sure. Yes. I'm sure she says she doesn't feel mistreated. And that's fine. I'm not I'm not telling her how to feel because you have goddess worship, bro. I told you you worship [ __ ] women. I'm not telling her how
03:23:30
Oliver N Houseto feel. Andrew, you worship women. I don't worship women. Even when they're not offended, you get offended for them. I'm not I'm not offended on her behalf. You had to go make an example and get up and get your own water because I'm not going to contribute to that for myself.
03:23:43
Oliver N HouseContribute to what? handing her my water right after you said you said get me a beer woman. What's her job? I'm not I'm not going to What's her job? You can be respect. I thought that she was a strong powerful woman. Hey, Mary, would you mind getting me some water, please?
03:23:56
Andrew WilsonThank you so much. That would be different. No, I'm good now. But that's how I would say that. I wouldn't I wouldn't involve saying woman, get me a beer. Yeah, I know. I know. But it's You see the difference in why she's laughing at the one because she understands
03:24:09
Andrew Wilsoninterpersonal dynamics and why she thinks you're a [ __ ] idiot. It's fine. Right. The the reason is right is because you don't understand human interpersonal dynamics. I don't understand that there's interpersonal dynamics. No, you don't. Wait, are we on
03:24:21
Oliver N Housecamera? Are we off camera? On camera. Okay. So, if this was off camera, then maybe you'd have a better point. But right now, what you are doing is Do you think that I would say that off camera? Yeah, probably. Then you have no point. You wouldn't say that off camera, but on
03:24:32
Oliver N Housecamera. I would say it on camera and off camera. Then you have no point. But it becomes worse when it's on camera. That's what I'm saying. because you are perpetuating that type of rhetoric as it perpetuating what I think it is normal
03:24:44
Oliver N Houseand fine. That's that's why it's not a joke to you. Yeah, it's not. It's fine. Thank you. What's wrong with it? You think women's proper role is to serve men? I think her job is to serve. And why did you say Mary? Why didn't you say
03:24:56
Andrew WilsonMary get me a beer? You said woman get me a beer. I forgot her name. I'm old. Yeah. Uh-huh. Look at her laughing. Look. Look. She's dying. She's literally dying laughing right now, bro. Is it?
03:25:08
Brian AtlasThat's interpersonal dynamics and you need to [ __ ] learn them. Okay. Are you Is it early? Look at her. She looked like she was about to gag. She was laughing so hard. Is it early onset
03:25:17
Brian Atlasdementia? Blame me. I'm too old. It's It's the Alzheimer's. So old, guys. $69 TTS. Streamlabs.com. Whatever. If you want to get it in, get get one in 60. Uh
03:25:29
Brian Atlasstreamlabs.com. You know what they call that? The kids call it Riz. RZ. RZ. The Rizler. Charisma. Andrew's the Rizzler. Okay, guys. Let Let me let some chats come through. All right. Thank you,
03:25:42
SPEAKER_00Ogle. Glue.net donated $69. Part two. Okay, Ignore my part two question. Andrew got to it before the TTS went through. Hey, what's up, by the way, Ogle? It's always
03:25:53
Brian Atlasnice to see Ole Ogle's a legend. He gives me some [ __ ] but I let it go. Yeah, he's a good He's a good guy. He's a good guy. And he's he's popped up couple cup champagne bottles. What are we running live today, by the way?
03:26:05
Brian AtlasWhat's that? How what are we running live today? Running live. Yeah. On numbers. Oh, viewership. Uh we have almost 8,000 concurrent viewers and I think we have about on YouTube and we
03:26:17
Brian Atlashave just under 8,000 and we have about a thousand I believe on Twitch plus several thousand from there's a good amount. So we got over 10,000 total across different platforms. We have Chaw
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SPEAKER_00here. It's good to see all you guys. Chaw XD donated $69. Thank you Cha. Appreciate Presume Oliver is also against fresh out of high school women being given loans to go to college.
03:26:39
Oliver N HouseYeah, predatory loans seems more potentially damaging that marrying a 35year-old man. Absolutely. Student loans are super predatory. I am 100% on board with this basically. No, no, you're not predatory lending. You're lying against your teeth. So, let me
03:26:52
Andrew Wilsonshow you what he's doing. He says, "No, I'm 100% against predatory student loans." No, he's against predatory loans for everybody. Whatever's predatory for the loan is what he's against. That's fair enough. But he's not specifically
03:27:04
Andrew Wilsonagainst loaning 18-year-olds money, are you? I'm against it being predatory. Yeah. Again, are you against loaning 18-year-olds money? Not. I know. Of course. How does that How does that not follow what I said? Because the idea here is that at the same time you're
03:27:18
Andrew Wilsontrying to say they don't have enough requisite agency to make the determination as to what is predatory. You still make the claim that they can assert what is or is not predatory by saying still give them loans. How do they how do they assess whether or not
03:27:31
Oliver N Housethe loans are predatory or not? They don't have agency, bro. I'm not saying they don't have agency. So, why are the loans predatory? Because you can draw particular lines as to what is and isn't predatory.
03:27:43
Oliver N HouseIt's a ton of [ __ ] money. I actually maybe think that you shouldn't be able to loan an 18-year-old like $50,000 right out of high school because they don't have the requisite agency to
03:27:54
Andrew Wilsonmake that decision. Probably. Okay. So, but but to vote they can. Including voting on policy which would allow 18-year-olds to borrow $50,000. Sure, Andrew. [ __ ] genius genius level argument, bro. People can vote against
03:28:07
Oliver N Housemy interest. And I still think they should be able to vote. Andrew, this is the thing. You're like, "Oh my god, people could vote and it could go against what you want, Oliver. Oh my god. Did you know democracy can devolve
03:28:18
Oliver N Housedissolve democracy?" I do. I'm not saying it can't. I'm saying those people should still be able to vote. doesn't track though, then why don't we have 17-year-olds vote? I think they probably should. 16-year-olds. I think that anyone I
03:28:31
Oliver N Housemean, it's an interesting argument, but I'm sympathetic to the idea that anyone who has the ability to be in the voting booth should probably be able to vote. That would be 10-year-olds. Mhm. Probably. What? So, Andrew No, Andrew, here we go. And now, granted, I'm going
03:28:43
Oliver N Houseto go have a smoke while I ponder about 10year-olds. Hold on. I'm going to I'm going to actually explain this because I think it's an interesting argument and I've seen some some people make compelling points for it. Andrew, the same arguments as to why um children
03:28:56
Oliver N Houseshould not be able to vote are the same arguments that people pose against women voting. Oh, they're just going to vote like their parents do. They're just going to vote like their husbands do. They don't have the requisite knowledge in order to make this information. Most people don't have the requisite
03:29:08
Andrew Wilsonknowledge and information to make stuff. So, if kids You're actually making a compelling argument against most people voting. If you're making a better argument against most people voting than you are for children to be able to vote, okay? If we allow everyone to vote, then
03:29:22
Andrew Wilsonwe should allow children to vote. If you're saying we shouldn't allow We don't allow everyone to vote. Do we allow prisoners to vote? No. But should they be able to? Yeah, of course. And 10-year-olds. Mhm. Yeah. So, here's the idea here, right? This is what's so funny about this argument. The reason why you thought this argument was good
03:29:35
Andrew Wilsonis because you talked to nothing but [ __ ] leftists. And so, you share a paradigm. Because you share the paradigm, you forgot about the criticism to the paradigm. The paradigm is well, it's really hard for us within our worldview to justify why it is a 10-year-old shouldn't be able to vote
03:29:50
Andrew Wilsonbecause we start with the presupposition. Everybody should be able to vote. You start with that supposition already. You already start with the idea that everyone that's the only thing that holds this worldview up. What else holds it up? That people who are affected by
03:30:03
Andrew Wilsonthe policy that they are passing should be able to vote. That would be everybody. I think largely yes. Including 9year-olds. Sure. So then the idea here is that because
03:30:13
Andrew Wilsoneverybody should be able to vote that includes children. But here's here's the interesting part. Then you come up against my paradigm and I don't start with the supposition that everyone should be able to vote even if everything affects them. Equality is not
03:30:26
Andrew Wilsonthe basis. No, because that's stupid. It's actually functionally stupid. Do you want prisoners to be able to vote that they can give themselves guns in prison? Give themselves guns in prison. Yeah, they can vote on that. They're going to get over they're going to get
03:30:38
Oliver N Houseoutvoted. Andrew, and there can still be, wait a second, there can still be protections in democracy that don't make it mob rule. That's fine. I'm not saying that we should give prisoners guns. I'm
03:30:50
Oliver N Housesaying, but you want them to be able to vote on being able to give themselves guns. I want them to be able to vote on that, but I don't think I think there can be overriding consideration. I can there can be overriding considerations. They could be a should
03:31:03
Oliver N Housebe able to vote. Hold on. Look at the Bill of Rights. We have something that is designed to counter the majoritarian practice of voting. No. No. Actually, at the local level, what is it? What is it?
03:31:13
Andrew WilsonAt the ordinances and statutes. No. Ordinances and statutes. So, have you ever heard of the Senas? Enlightened man. Okay. So, the Senyas took over. They were a cult and they took over a a small town. I don't
03:31:26
Andrew Wilsonremember. I think it was in Oregon. You can you can uh pull up where the Senas were. I don't remember where it was, but they took over the entire local town because what they did was they moved in, they bought land right next to it, thousands of acres. They were inside of
03:31:39
Andrew Wilsonthat municipality. And so what they did was they went and voted themselves all of the positions of power inside of that town. And they ended up poisoning a lot of people in that town, right? They took over all the police stations, everything else. The the problem that you have is
03:31:52
Andrew Wilsonthe 10th Amendment. You forget about this, which is that powers which aren't delegated to the to the reserved for the states. for the states localized municipalities within those states in especially prison towns. The prisoners
03:32:02
Andrew Wilsoncan actually outnumber everyone else in the town. So they could actually by your view if they were able to vote and have federal protections for voting vote themselves [ __ ] guns and the state
03:32:14
Oliver N Housecouldn't overrule it. They couldn't overrule it. No, that's not the case. It is the case different if states can make election law different from the federal government. state makes elections. Can
03:32:26
Andrew Wilsonstates make election laws which violate the federal constitution? No. Because the 10th amendment doesn't apply, right? Well, the 10th amendment. So, if it is the case that there's an amendment, but I'm saying it wouldn't if it is the case that the 10th amendment says you can't
03:32:38
Andrew Wilsonabridge voting for anybody, which would be exactly what we would need for right for everybody to vote, right? Just like we had the 19th amendment. Just like we have a make a carve out for prisoners. What would be the argument for making a carve out for prisoners?
03:32:50
Andrew Wilsonbecause you just said everyone should be able to vote and they'll always get outvoted. But that's actually not the case. If you made the amendment for all people to be able to vote, the states could not actually tell prisoners inside of counties where there's prisons where
03:33:02
Oliver N Housethey outnumber everyone that they can't vote themselves guns. You doofus. No, because state election law can be different. I'm not saying that. No, it can't violate federal law. I'm saying that the federal law would probably and
03:33:14
Oliver N Houseshould have provisions in it that ensure that not everyone can vote. Yes, Angel. Oh, what? You're a [ __ ] genius. You mean exactly what I propose and not everyone can vote. You think that prisoners should be able to vote in
03:33:25
Oliver N Housefederal elections? Absolutely. Because that type of policy directly affects them in a way that state policy affects them. Of course, it affects them, but state policy has to do with more
03:33:37
Oliver N Houseintegral things like that. And they should not be able to vote themselves out of power or out of prison. I'm not saying they have the power to vote. Doesn't violate the federal constitution. What's the problem here? I think the problem is you're looking at
03:33:50
Andrew Wilsonthe problem of people. The problem is you don't want those [ __ ] people to vote. No. And you won't admit it because it's another inconsistency in your worldview. Just admit it. You don't want them to vote. Admit it. I don't want them to vote at the local level. You don't want them to vote. Period. Because
03:34:03
Andrew Wilsonthey're dangerous to society and you want to take dangerous people and a bridge them from voting against you. Okay. Isn't that true? No, Andrew, it's not. Oh, yes it is. Okay. And your worldview just got exposed real bad
03:34:14
Oliver N Housethere, too. Sure. I was running a style of argument, Andrew. Okay. It's a terrible style. Okay. Thank you. What was the argument again? Everybody should be able to argue argument that kids should be able to vote. I think a lot I think I think a lot of the
03:34:27
Oliver N Housejustifications for it kind of fail on the same basis because I I understand your worldview, Andrew, because if you think women shouldn't vote and most people shouldn't be able to vote, then you do have a consistent position. Okay. I'm going to let there's a lot of chats
03:34:40
Brian Atlasa lot of chats to get through. So, I'm going to let them come through while we have Oliver still here at the table.
03:34:48
SPEAKER_00X_l_p_h_x donated $69. My mom and stepfather are 18 years apart. She is in 40s. He's 60. He's been together 20. It works. Lol. Grow up, kid. Quick response to this, Oliver.
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Oliver N HouseSure. I'm not saying it can't work for individual people. Um, 18 years apart, I do think that that's I mean, I would I would be curious. Been together 20. Yeah. I'm not trying to make prescriptions for everyone, okay? I'm not trying to say I'm not trying to say
03:35:13
Oliver N Housethat for every single person it's not going to work in a particular way. I'm saying that I think that like 41 year olds who like exclusively seek out 18-year-olds. No, like seek out people who are at least closer to their age, at
03:35:26
Oliver N Houseleast out of college, at least have something that's not just high school in their experience. Being a child, all they have, all they know is being a child if they're 18. They've just turned
03:35:36
Brian Atlas18. Like this is such a I don't know. It's just I don't know. It's Yeah. Um if you guys want to get a message in $69 TTS streamlabs.com/ whatever. We got a
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SPEAKER_00bunch coming through. Oliver hater Oliver hater donated $69. You got a hater. Would you address the time that you allegedly exposed yourself without
03:35:56
Brian Atlasconsent to a young woman leading you to get cancelled on TikTok? Um Oliver just Mhm. Are you wearing this? I just because of camera angles. Are you
03:36:08
Brian Atlaswearing underpants? I am wearing pants. Yes, underpants. I am wearing underpants. Okay. Just cuz the angle because the your leg the camera might just I I didn't want like a crotch uh a
03:36:20
Oliver N Houseflash. Did you want to respond to the the message? I don't really need to give a full response uh to that. I don't really need to give a full response to that. Um you know uh teenagers do stupid things. I did nothing that was out of
03:36:31
Oliver N Houseline for a teenager. You are right. There was an incident on Tik Tok. Why I left Tik Tok for a while and uh now I'm back because I think that people make mistakes as teenagers. I did not do anything that was out of the ordinary
03:36:44
SPEAKER_00behavior in that sense. Thought this might get brought up but I guess it did on here. So yeah. Okay. Uh we have 4J whitetails coming through. Forge Whitetails donated
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SPEAKER_00$69. Andrew, you're the goat shout out. Oliver, you are a beta male. That sounds like you were raised by a woman with no male presence in the household, man. I'd
03:37:06
Brian Atlaslike to come on this show. M. Okay, Whitetails, appreciate the message. We have uh Loco Burrito coming in here. Whitetails, appreciate the message. Thank you, Lo. Loco Burrito
03:37:19
SPEAKER_00donated $69. Do you believe an 18-year-old should have the agency to start an account and do stuff on camera, but shouldn't have the agency to date a 41 y? Quick response to this. Give a
03:37:31
Oliver N Houseresponse to that. Um, once again, I'm not saying agency in terms of they should like be prohibited from doing so. They can do it if they want. I just think it's a bad idea. And I think camera is different than real life. So, okay, we have
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SPEAKER_00USM crib. Thank you. Thank you so much, man. He needs to put on his wig, lipstick, and eyeshadow. Andrew is the best. Keep
03:37:54
Brian Atlasup the great work. By the way, I did uh when I when I had my nails painted, they were painted black. I was dating a goth. Were they black? Did you paint them
03:38:06
Andrew Wilsonblack? She painted them black. But they were black. Black. Is that the most masculine? Thank god. Well, I can at least like a rockstar view. Yeah, I guess understand the black. But dude,
03:38:18
Andrew Wilsonbut that's not the same thing as like, "Okay, honey, you can paint them, but put sprinkles on them." It's not that it's a threat to masculinity. This was
03:38:28
Brian Atlasmid 2000s My Chemical Romance, you know, uh Helena. Uh I'm not okay. It's still It's still It's still bad, but it's peak. Look, it's at least more
03:38:40
Brian Atlasunderstandable. I would say it was kind of peak, you know, getting into the hipster era. Anyways, uh here there's a bunch. Let me get them. Let me get them through. If uh
03:38:50
SPEAKER_00wizard donated $69, all of his objections apply to rich versus So, a lawyer who marries a barist who is a predator, even if in the same
03:39:01
Brian Atlasage group. All right, Wizard. Appreciate that message. Uh, Chef Dill Pickles coming in. Oh, yeah. What's up, by the way, Wizard? I haven't seen him in there for a while. Thank you, Wizard. Appreciate it. We got a bunch. So, if you guys do want to give responses, I
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SPEAKER_00just ask her responses are quick. Pickles donated $100. Thank you. Man lies and identifies as woman and passes. Doesn't hold the belief. Do you expose them? Good question. Yes,
03:39:28
Brian Atlassure. Oh, is was this just for Andrew? I don't know. Uh, okay. Man lies and identifies as woman doesn't hold the belief. Okay. I mean, he exposed me the way. Thank you, Dill Pickles. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate it. We got
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SPEAKER_00Never Mind back again. Thank you, baby. We had I think never mind donated $70. My grandfather fought in World War II EU country. Y he married a much younger
03:39:52
SPEAKER_00woman. She held the authority when it came to familial matters. They remained together until death. Age is not authority. which is really interesting because this would lean in very quickly to the
03:40:05
Andrew Wilsonutilitarian argument that he would make which is that post World War II actually somewhere around twothirds of the young men of France between World War I and World War II were completely decimated and so women married older men that was
03:40:17
Andrew Wilsonwho was available and guess what they had great lives that in fact the tradition is in such a state of ongoingness in France that their very president did the same [ __ ] thing
03:40:28
SPEAKER_00dude it's a terrible argument All right, we have Ogle here. We got a lot, guys. Try to get them out as quick. Glue.net donated $69. O, thank you so much. I
03:40:40
SPEAKER_00think Oliver sells young women's intelligence and capabilities short. As a man at a certain position in life, I can guarantee you the women looking for older rich guys are themselves quite
03:40:51
Andrew Wilsonexploitative. Which is really funny because while he does the goddess worship thing, the woman worship thing, I'm the actual one in the room who sees women as ontologically being equal to
03:41:02
Andrew Wilsonmen. I see them as being literally by the state of being the the value of women being equal to men, whereas he elevates. That's that's what's so funny about it ultimately.
03:41:15
SPEAKER_00All right. One shot. Thank you. One shot of 17 donated $69. Oliver 18year-olds can take on social responsibilities like getting sent abroad and getting their limbs blown
03:41:26
Oliver N Houseoff. Yeah. Also, Oliver 18year-olds shouldn't date people established in life market. Hold on. Ideally, the goal is that no one gets their arms blown off. That's great. And I'm against the
03:41:38
Andrew Wilsondraft. So, yeah, I probably shouldn't be sending people to get their arms blown off. Do you think that draft, right, they can still join the military at 18 either way? Sure. And still go get their limbs blown off. Okay.
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SPEAKER_00Okay, we have Christopher. Hey, Christopher. Thank you, man. Christopher Scott donated $69. I'm going to help you out, Ollie. Just say you don't have a reputation for age gap relationships. It's okay to not
03:42:03
Oliver N Househave answer all the time. I agree. I would have had more respect for that. But instead, he said, "I do have reputations. I just want to don't want to give them. That's bullshit." I think at a certain point when someone's arguing that like that behavior is
03:42:14
Andrew Wilsonacceptable, there's no point in responding. That doesn't Why? Because that makes no sense. I'm not I'm not doing Yeah, that makes no sense, dude. So So you're not going to respond to arguments because you don't believe in
03:42:25
Oliver N Housethem? I'm not saying I'm don't believe in them and I'm not going to concede to you that it's okay for a 41-year-old to date an 18-year-old because but also refused to give reputations. I was giving reputations just because you don't like the reputation. What was the
03:42:38
Oliver N Housereputation? Give me already gave the reputation that it was exploitative and then you immediately contradicted it. I didn't People are in different stages of life. people are everyone's in different stages of life. Correct. And there's some people who are more than others.
03:42:49
Oliver N HouseAnd just cuz I can't drop the same age and they are
03:42:57
Andrew Wilsonliterally different stages of life with different experiences and things. No, actually it doesn't because of the amount of people who are similarly aged who date each other. those the [ __ ]
03:43:08
Andrew Wilsonpool is way larger for differential life experiences in comparison to the few people who have age gap relationships based around attraction. Dude, you actually expand the pool. You expla expand the pool for exploitation and
03:43:20
Andrew Wilsononly hyperfocus on this because from the feminist purview, you want men to look like predators. I don't want men to look like then what? Every argument you make seems to be that the man's being predatory here. I think that if a man or
03:43:32
Andrew Wilsona woman who's 41 is is is trying to date someone who's 18, that is predatory. Not it's not precluded on gender. Yeah. Except except for some reason I have a feeling that if we went down this road even more I could very quickly expose
03:43:46
Oliver N Housethat you would think it was worse when men did it than when women did it. I think it is. Absolutely. And I'll admit that right now because men are stronger. Exactly. And men are stronger and men literal misandress view. It is not an equal view. No. Because men and women
03:43:58
Andrew Wilsonaren't equally strong. But they can equally exploit. Men can more easily exploit. No. Men can't always more easily exploit, especially in age gap relationships. Especially in age gap relationships where women have a ton of
03:44:09
Andrew Wilsonresources and access to the slander. No, that is not the case that the 18-year-old's just going to strong armor into submission. Dude, that's ridiculous. Even if we were to take this
03:44:20
Brian Atlasexploitative route, okay, that still makes no sense. Okay, just a quick clarification for the audience. Uh Oliver, so just your position here is that when it comes to age gaps, age gap
03:44:33
Brian Atlasrelationships, both are bad, but worse when men date younger women. Yep. Just a clarification. Correct. Largely. It doesn't mean Wait a second. It doesn't in in every case. It doesn't mean in
03:44:43
Brian Atlasevery case there's going to be exceptions. Of course, of just one point of clarification. Um, are are age gaps between older women and younger men are
03:44:55
Oliver N Housethey totally in the clear for you or they're bad but not as bad? It depends. It Well, no, it depends on the it depends on the age gap. And also, I I I don't I don't like to like rank things on badness. Neither of them should
03:45:07
Andrew Wilsonhappen. Just don't. By the way, I just want to point out that your issuance there on saying that strength is the big differential on the age gap thing for why it's worse for men than women. You would also have to make this case when it's the case that a male teacher sleeps
03:45:20
Andrew Wilsonwith a female student who's underage versus a female who sleeps with a male student. Wouldn't you have to concede that that's actually worse when it's a female or a male who sleeps with a female student? No, these are children,
03:45:32
Oliver N HouseAndrew. These are children. No, no, they 18. Let's say they're 18. I mean, it's still power differentials. So, it's someone abusing a position of authority. Yeah, I know. But wouldn't it be worse because the man's stronger, right?
03:45:44
Oliver N HouseNo, Andrew. No. Well, then you contradict yourself again. Oh my god. A second time. Okay. If you fine if you want the position to be it's equally wrong for for men to date women who are
03:45:55
Oliver N House18. But you don't believe that. What? I don't care about that belief because it doesn't care about the belief that you believe. No, because it in either way it shouldn't happen. Okay. It shouldn't happen. But but still when we
03:46:07
Andrew Wilsonget down to the dynamics, it seems like you worship women. Now you're backtracking on the belief that you don't really believe but you believed 5 seconds ago. Isn't that interesting how everything's always tailored towards the bashing of men? Every single time we get
03:46:18
Andrew Wilsonto the differentials, men bad, men bad, men bad. Don't you agree that men are generally stronger than women? Like I just Yes, of course. But that doesn't mean that I agree, especially in modernity, that when it comes to things like social, men are completely
03:46:31
Andrew Wilsondiscouraged from even physically defending themselves from women. Discouraged from it. Women are not discouraged from slandering men. In fact, it's you go girl. If they have a dating website where they're like, "This guy is bad. He has a small dick. This
03:46:43
Andrew Wilsonand that." They have made slander websites and they're [ __ ] encouraged to do it. Men aren't encouraged to beat women's brains in, dude. Anywhere on anywhere in the West, they're not encouraged to do that. Okay, we got uh
03:46:55
Brian Atlasit looks like almost 10 chats. We're going to let them through. By the way, Ole, I do see your specific message. I'm going to let these come through just so I can get them pulled up and then I'll pull up your specific message. Ogle, we
03:47:06
SPEAKER_00have Based Thor here. Um Based Thor donated $69. It's predatory for older men to date younger women, but why don't we shame younger women for preying on older men
03:47:17
Brian Atlasfor their resources then? Typical shame tactic trying to turn something legal predatory. Anna Nicole Smith, who's that director who's dating it's uh
03:47:28
SPEAKER_00who's dating a younger guy currently and well, well, just look at Ashton Coocher. I mean, the list goes on. Donated $69. Oliver is not for feminism. Think
03:47:39
SPEAKER_00from the women's side. If she's 18 and wanted to marry the 41, then you should be on her side. Oliver, stop being a hypocrite. You're just losing the
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Oliver N Housedebate. Do you deny the hypocrisy allegations or um No, I don't. Wait, but what? Then you should be on her side. Just because you believe in feminism doesn't mean you believe in every single woman's choice
03:48:02
Oliver N Housebeing the correct decision. It doesn't mean you just go rah rah women no matter what. So, sure. Uh there's a bunch more coming in. We got Oliver donated 69 right a lot. I agree
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SPEAKER_00with Oliver that women are easily manipulated by predatory people. They also shouldn't be allowed to enter contracts where they can fall into debt by predatory institutes like college or
03:48:25
Brian Atlascredit. Not specific to women as well. Okay. Of course not. Okay. Thank you. Oliver is right. We have DNA again. Thank you Dnates. Appreciate it. Nates
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SPEAKER_00donated $69. What if we looked at 18 plus relationships on a case-by case? I know more 20s have been beat by their 20s
03:48:45
Andrew Wilsonyoyo partner, not their 40y old partner. I won't draw a line at a specific age. I draw a line at 18. Exactly. Two two forms of uh well, one's a hypocrisy, the
03:48:58
Andrew Wilsonother's just a straight contradiction. I I'm I'm not going to it's it's a threshold. I'm not going to draw a line in it except 18's the line that I draw. It's like it's just [ __ ] All right, we have Robert Tanner. Hey, good to see
03:49:10
SPEAKER_00you, man. Thank you. Robert Tanner donated $69. Hey, Andrew and Brian. Good show tonight. Thank you. Thank you. I am still confused on Oliver's definition of
03:49:21
Andrew Wilsonpredatory. I'm confused, Robert Tanner. Why I haven't seen you send in $69 yet tonight and you need to send in another $69 is a [ __ ] apology. Wow. That's what Damn. Robert Andrew's got
03:49:33
SPEAKER_00the point there. All right, we got SI. Whoa. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Zero donated $69. Thank you, Andrew. You're wasting time. This kid is arguing
03:49:44
SPEAKER_00against age gaps because he is 21 and older men are his primary competition for women his age. Some reason 40 years/
03:49:53
Brian Atlasfemale feminists share his view. Would you date a conservative woman? Just curious. Like, you know. What do you mean by conservative? Probably like if she was just stacked though. Like she was stacked. Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't
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Oliver N Housedate someone who doesn't share my core values. So, no, I would not. But she's stacked. I No. Okay. Just check. Just Okay. A little banter. All right. A little banter. Would you date a woman if she was submissive? Like I I already kind of answered this
03:50:18
Oliver N Housequestion in my last debate. Um like like all the time like like she wanted to submit to my authority. No, I wouldn't. What if she wanted to submit to it like 80% of the time? No. 70. There's Once again, Andrew, line drawing problem here. Well, in in this case, I'm not
03:50:31
Oliver N Houseeven going to hold you to it. I'm just curious. Well, I'm not like if she was just mostly submissive. Let's just say that. I I I wouldn't want someone who's mostly submissive. So, you want a vexing [ __ ] woman who gave you attitude. There we go. And there's the dichotomy that he likes to draw. Having someone
03:50:43
Oliver N Housewho is assertive, knows what they want, is intellectually stimulating, is smart, has goals, has hobbies, has achievements, is equivalent to Andrew of being someone who's constantly nagging you because he can't see the difference
03:50:55
Andrew Wilsonbetween women who are high achieving and those who apparently are nagging and completely terrible. There's no there's no false dichotomy. Do you agree that you would never have any issues with nagging from a woman who was 100%
03:51:05
Andrew Wilsonsubmissive? What would you agree with me that it can't be a false dichotomy? Because if it is the case that you had a woman who was 100% submissive, you wouldn't have
03:51:16
Andrew Wilsonto worry about nagging. I mean, presumably not. No. Yeah. So then if there was just a she nagged 1%, she was only 99% submissive, then it can't be a false dichotomy because this
03:51:28
Andrew Wilsonwould mean what? What's the entailment here? Again, one more time. I'm just going to ask you 100% submissive submission means no nagging ever, right? That's not the point I made. I'm talking the point you're making. I'm talking
03:51:38
Oliver N Houseabout is it possible for a woman to be smart, careerdriven, enjoy um having many different varieties of hobbies, engaging in intellectual conversation, and not doing whatever you described at vexing something like that. Is that
03:51:51
Andrew Wilsonpossible? Of course. Okay. So then why did you characterize what I said I value in a woman as that? Because because what you're talking about is something which is trivially true and I'm talking about something which is objectively true. So
03:52:03
Andrew Wilsonit's trivially true that you can make the threshold like you can have a woman who has all the girl boss things and also doesn't nag you that much. There's a little bit of nagging, maybe not that much. There's going to be some nagging
03:52:15
Oliver N Housethough. There's no way around that. Right. Period. You agree? Right. There's going to be at least some. Depends what you mean by nagging. Well, whatever you think nagging is, there's going to be at least some. I think there's likely going to be nagging in any type of relation a
03:52:27
Andrew Wilsonlittle bit. I think there should be unless they're 100% submissive, right? No. Yeah. And well, correct. Yes. Okay. So then, so then what you're saying, right, I'm what I'm saying is objectively true. What you're saying is only trivially true. And I will agree
03:52:40
Oliver N Housewith what's trivially true if you agree with what's objectively true. Yeah. If a woman is 100% submissive, she probably would not be nagging. I'm perfect. Fine. Cool. I don't want a 100% submissive
03:52:49
SPEAKER_00woman. We've got some more chats to get through. Oh, wait. TXVET9D $69. Andrew, my man, I commend you for
03:53:00
SPEAKER_00your patience. Listening to Oliver has made me want to smash my own nuts with hammer just to feel something worse hearing his voice. You are Saint Andrew. Oh, hang on. In Oliver's defense, right,
03:53:12
Andrew Wilsonlike I've given him a lot of [ __ ] We've been debating back and forth, but um I do appreciate him coming out to the debate. Some of these debates can get brutal. We're ideologically completely distinct. Uh but I I actually do
03:53:24
Andrew Wilsonappreciate that and I don't have any ill will towards the guy ultimately. I do have an ill will towards his view. Okay. All right. We got red fox here. But it also makes me want to do the
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SPEAKER_00exact donated $69. Oliver, a coherent worldview is important because it ensures you're never caught in a debate unable to justify claims on dating gaps,
03:53:46
Oliver N Housebestiality, and incest beyond your preference. Not one step back. Not one step back. Okay. So, here's the thing. Quick response if you can. Yeah% quick response. If someone thinks that large
03:53:58
Oliver N Housedating gaps, beastiality, what were the other ones like are are good things, then yeah, you you'll disagree with me and I'm not going to contest you on that. I'm not trying to argue with that there. Okay? I'm not trying to debate whether beiality is okay. So, like
03:54:11
Andrew Wilsonthat's fine. If you disagree with me on that, then you disagree. Fine. You won't accept my worldview or you won't accept Yeah. A lot of these were direct were were direct to feminist ide ide ideologies and feminist positions and he
03:54:25
Oliver N Housewanted to backtrack and kind of run away from those as well. And that is actually what you were supposed to be here defending. I was defending this version of feminism and you were caricaturizing a version of feminism that I didn't articulate your stronger family. It
03:54:37
Andrew Wilsondoesn't matter what you articulate. We have different views on what feminism even is. And when we get to points we do agree at least our feminist points. You decided that you were going to run from one and you know why you did it to
03:54:49
Andrew Wilsonvirtue signal. You literally only did it and I wish like in this case can you just admit you literally ran from that argument only because you wanted to virtue signal and say I will not dignify
03:55:01
Andrew Wilsonthis with a conversation. That was actually what the goal was, isn't it? It's not about dignifying it with a conversation. It's this conversation wasn't going to go anywhere, Andrew. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. And it did. No, we got to get a lot of your view on
03:55:13
Andrew Wilsonhow it is that you unequally hold standards to men versus women like a typical feminist. It was able to expose a lot of that worldview. You didn't want to get into it because of a form of virtue signaling. Same reason you got up to get a cup of water. What did you do
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Oliver N Housethat for? I got it up to get the cup of water because I don't want to hand my cup to someone who you just designated. I I understand it was a joke, but it's not a joke in your virtue signaling. Virtue signaling. How is it? Because
03:55:38
Andrew Wilsonit's something that I believe in. I don't believe listen. Do you believe that I had any ill intention towards that woman actively? Probably not. No, you don't believe that for a second. And
03:55:48
Andrew Wilsonyou knew she wasn't in any distress. You wanted to any leftist who watches this virtue signal to them and say, "Listen, look at what I did which was righteous. It's [ __ ] [ __ ] People see right
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Oliver N Housethrough it." No, you said and you your a lot of your belief a lot of your beliefs do view women as less than men. What? Which one? Absolutely. Do you think most Do you think most men should vote? No.
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Oliver N HouseNo. Do you think most most women should vote? No. No. Not at all. No. Okay. Do you think women should be able to have the same opportunities to work outside of the home? Uh opportunity but not encouragement. But so women shouldn't be encouraged to work but men should be
03:56:24
Andrew Wilsonencouraged to work. Men should be encouraged to defend. So men should be encouraged towards certain roles and women toward certain roles which are good for society. This is actually putting equal amounts of duties just
03:56:34
Andrew Wilsondifferent duties on both. And I think those prescriptions put box women into this box of what it means to be a woman. Well, good. The thing is like good if it is the case that we box people into
03:56:47
Andrew Wilsonsocial roles which are really good for society. That's [ __ ] good. And not only that, again, you didn't respond to this and I want your response to this. How was that not a virtue signal? Look in the camera and tell them why that wasn't virtue signaling. Can you can you
03:56:59
Andrew Wilsonplease tell me what you mean by virtue signaling? Yeah, virtue signaling. Virtue signaling means like insincerity, right? Insert. It was insincere. You knew that there was no distress. Nobody was distressed, right? What happened was
03:57:11
Andrew WilsonI cracked a joke. She obviously got it. You obviously got it. He got it. Everyone got it. Which was dunking on my perceived misogyny. That was the joke. And he [ __ ] know that was the joke. in order to signal to your leftist
03:57:23
Andrew Wilsonbuddies who might be watching this later that you're really on the woman's side. You decided, I will not dignify this by having her get my cup of water. He got up and got to be associated with what you said, Andrew. It's ver how's that
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Oliver N Housenot virtue signaling? It's exactly virtue signaling. You want to use virtue signaling in that sense. You're using it as a form of insincerity. And I'm not being insincere. It's not insincere. Of course, if she if she had come over and just grabbed your water and went and