Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists (HEATED)?! MAGA Girls?! VlRGlN?! NEAR KICK?! | Dating Talk #151

Date: 2024-04-10

Duration: 6h 38m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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KKenna (DT151)>

CCarly (DT151)>

NNicole (DT151)>

CCaroline (DT151)>

IIsabelle Brown >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)(audience)

SPEAKER_02Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_03Luce(guest)

SPEAKER_04Caroline(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kenna(guest)

SPEAKER_06Northy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Isabelle Brown(guest)

SPEAKER_13Carly(guest)

SPEAKER_14Arya Riley(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces the panel; Arya Riley refuses to share her age triggering a ~20 minute standoff.

“"please tell us your name age location and occupation"”

ControversyArya Riley refuses to share her age for ~20 minutes citing "mystery" strategy from Robert Greene's Art of Seduction. Brian threatens to kick her off the show. She eventually says "I'm 22" as a lie. Pre-show casting indicated 29.

“"I just don't share that... it's part of my mystery... my appeal"”

QuoteBrian threatens to remove Arya from show if she refuses to share her age.

“"if the choice is between revealing your age and me kicking you off the show right now which do you choose"”

QuoteArya discloses her sugar daddy has sent approximately $26k total in cash and gifts including paying her rent, before they even met in person ($12k sent before first meeting).

“"I would guess in cash like 20,000 and then maybe in gifts... my rent's on auto pay too"”

OtherArya Riley explains the origin of her viral boat TikTok video: met a ~65yo man at a bar the night she was fired from a strip club; he invited her and a friend sailing; not a sugar daddy.

“"I had just gotten fired from the strip club and we went out... he invited us to go sailing"”

ControversyLuce argues women were historically excluded from the workforce until wartime. Andrew and panel correct this claim; women were teachers, nurses, clerical workers throughout history.

“"until war time women weren't allowed in the workforce"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues from the transcript that women historically fought against suffrage because they did not want to incur debt or be conscripted. Luce pushes back on revisionist framing.

“"the anti-suffragettes... didn't want to be drafted... didn't want to incur debt"”

ControversyBrian plays a clip of a previous female guest calling him "white boy" to dismiss his argument. Long debate follows on whether this is racism or prejudice.

“"white boy... you've never experienced racism in history white people haven't experienced racism"”

OtherIsabelle Brown opens abortion discussion and challenges panel on body autonomy argument; notes life begins at conception biologically; compares selective abortion to eugenics logic. She leaves the show shortly after (~3 hour mark).

“"isn't that the same line of thinking that eugenicists have used throughout all of human history"”

QuoteIsabelle Brown makes closing statement before leaving due to flight: remains optimistic about her generation; grateful for the conversation.

“"I remain really optimistic about the future of this generation"”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Andrew Wilson rates himself a 4; Northy gives DC 10 / California 7 joke.

“"ask everyone to rate their looks physical looks on a scale of 1 to 10"”

ControversyNorthy calls production staff member Gustavo "a pathetic little baby loser" on air; Andrew Wilson reacts sharply in defense of Gustavo.

“"is Nick a loser Nick is such a fucking loser what the fuck... Gustavo are you a loser"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Nicole to provide secular moral grounds for why necrophilia is wrong; Nicole says she has no grounds beyond personal opinion; Andrew uses this to argue secular morality has no epistemic foundation.

“"if a society democratically voted that people are allowed to screw dead bodies you have nothing other than your personal opinion to justify why they shouldn't do it"”

OtherAndrew invites Nicole and Luce to come to his studio for a formal 1v1 debate with no interruptions; Brian announces Andrew returning to studio next Sunday and Tuesday.

“"go in studio have a one v one debate... it'll be well moderated"”

QuoteArya Riley complains her spine is hurting due to large breast size during heated debate; Brian draws attention to it.

“"my spine is screaming"”

OtherBrian reads rapid-fire closing hot take statements covering dating norms, feminism, body count, plastic surgery, age-gap relationships, male oppression (military conscription), and male privilege; ends with genital shaming joke.

“"women have dating on easy mode... only traditional women deserve traditional treatment... feminism is not about equality it's about securing benefits for women"”

OtherEnd of show: Brian does Twitch double-raid to stay-safe and WowGrandma78 (82yo WoW streamer). Andrew Wilson redirects viewers to his YouTube channel. Northy promotes her YouTube channel "Hard Ones" after doing a bow (after calling Brian "baby girl").

“"I'm going to do a double raid... WowGrandma78... she's 82 she plays World of Warcraft"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Arya Riley refuses to share her age (~20 minute standoff with Brian). Brian threatens to remove her from show. Isabelle Brown returning guest; now engaged. Carly discloses she was previously only attracted to women.

Age mystery standoff — Arya Riley

Arya Riley refuses to share her age citing "mystery" strategy from Art of Seduction. Brian spends ~20 minutes pressing her. She eventually says "I'm 22" as a lie. Pre-show casting indicated age 29. Chat donates to push back. Isabelle Brown and Northy discuss the OnlyFans mystery/fantasy-selling angle. Brian points out contradiction: posting nude content but hiding age.

Relationship status and sugar daddy arrangement

Brian goes around table for relationship status. Arya Riley describes her sugar daddy arrangement: ~$26k total from man who found her via Instagram after a bikini contest video. He sent $12k before they ever met in person. Paid her rent. Brian asks how many sugar daddies she's had total; she declines to estimate. Northy: single since August 2023; no relationship; career focused. Kenna: in 5-month relationship. Carly: single; complicated history with first male partner after being lesbian.

Viral boat video (Arya Riley)

Brian plays two TikTok videos from Arya Riley's account. First: shows her with an older white man — not a sugar daddy; met at a bar the night she was fired from strip club. He invited her and a friend sailing. Video went viral. Second (boat one): Brian plays with audio; she sings; older man is on a sailboat with her.

Partner income requirements

Brian asks each guest minimum income requirement in a partner. Kenna: $100k minimum; wants luxury lifestyle, travel, 3-4 bedroom house. Arya Riley: no minimum per hour; wants man who can provide; had negative experience with wage-gap relationships. Carly (UCSB poli sci/barista): wants comparable income (~barista level currently; higher for long-term). Caroline: equitable contribution, livable income for the area. Luce: love first; partnership/shared financial planning; flexible on who earns more. Isabelle Brown: priorities shift as wedding nears; simple life more appealing.

Marriage and kids intent round

Isabelle Brown asks who still wants to get married and have kids. Almost everyone raises hands; Northy: would consider marriage but not kids (kids might ruin relationship). Andrew Wilson notes apparent contradiction between wanting traditional marriage outcomes while still having modern financial requirements. Isabelle says she is surprised and gratified that most still want marriage.

Women in history and workforce

Luce claims women weren't allowed in the workforce until WWII. Andrew corrects her: women were nurses, teachers, clerical workers throughout history. Discussion of why women lack corporate ladder presence (fewer female CEOs). Andrew: women don't gravitate toward that kind of competitive corporate environment. Brief discussion of women's college enrollment exceeding men's (60/40 split).

Feminism: definition debate

Debate over what feminism means. Andrew offers "most charitable" definition: belief in egalitarianism and equality under law. Panel mostly declines the feminist label. Northy: prefers justice over equality; equity framing; subjective moral metric. Luce: progressive but avoids labels. Andrew's test: does being a stay-at-home mom hold women back? Most say no; Andrew argues that disqualifies most from being modern feminists.

Nuclear family and stay-at-home mothers

Andrew Wilson argues nuclear family is the optimal societal unit; requires stay-at-home mothers during formative years. Luce pushes back: individual relationships should determine dynamics. Andrew counters with population data and birth rate decline. Northy and Luce argue stay-at-home model is subjective and not universally optimal. Panel divided on whether career or motherhood should be prioritized.

Racism debate: can you be racist against white people?

Brian plays a clip of a prior female guest calling him "white boy" to dismiss his arguments. Panel debates whether that is racism or prejudice. Nicole and Luce: racism requires institutional power; calling Brian "white boy" is prejudice not racism. Andrew Wilson and Brian: by moral equivalence, prejudice equally bad as racism; double standard. Knockout game discussion (Andrew: specific anti-white crime pattern). Extended Andrew vs. Nicole/Luce debate on social constructs, material reality, and definitions. Brian: women benefit most from affirmative action (specifically white women).

Misogyny accusation and podcast defense

Luce argues the Whatever Podcast is misogynistic in tone and framing. Andrew and Brian push back: misogyny requires hatred, not disagreement. Luce raises friend who appeared on show and received hate online. Brian plays back a clip of that previous female guest calling him "white boy." Panel debates double standards in public discourse and cancel culture. Brian: UCSB feminist studies program perpetuates ideology; universities are ideologically captured.

Abortion debate

Isabelle Brown opens abortion discussion near end of her time on show. Luce: pro-choice under privacy clause; personally would not get one. Arya Riley: 100% pro-choice given her experience in the industry. Northy: pro-choice; references medical complexity of abortion timelines. Nicole: pro-choice; debate between her and Isabelle on soul/personhood. Isabelle: pro-life; life begins at conception (biomedical + theological). Andrew: references Christian ethic against abortion. Discussion of late-term abortion rarity and gender-selective abortion.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Northy: 7 (California 7, DC 10/12 joke). Nicole: 8 to 8.5. Carly: 7-8 (implied from order). Arya: declined. Caroline: 4 area (implied). Andrew Wilson: 4. Luce, Kenna: not clearly extracted.

Can you be sexist toward men / misandry debate

Andrew asks panel if misandry exists. Nicole: individual sexism toward men exists but not systemic misandry. Northy: admits she has gone through "I hate men" phase stemming from unresolved trauma. Extended Andrew debate with Nicole on definitions of prejudice vs racism vs misandry. Brian points out Northy insulted Gustavo (staff) calling him a loser during episode.

Moral relativism: necrophilia thought experiment

Andrew Wilson asks Nicole and Luce for their moral justification for why necrophilia is wrong. Nicole says it is wrong because it is personally wrong to her — no universal justification. Andrew pushes: if society democratically allowed it, what grounds to oppose it? Nicole: I would disagree personally; would leave the country. Andrew: this reveals there is no epistemological grounding for secular morality. Extended philosophical debate. Andrew invites Nicole and Luce to come to his studio for a formal 1v1 debate.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts. Luce: under 10 (includes women). Northy: under 10 (explicitly "under 15" in order; some ambiguity). Arya: unclear/declined. Nicole: 1 (lost virginity at 21; couple months into relationship). Carly: 1 (first male partner at ~21 after being a lesbian; girl partners implied but not counted). Isabelle Brown: indirectly declined to answer (already left). Andrew Wilson: declined; chat member (kill cereal) announces being a virgin waiting for marriage.

Would you date a trans woman / trans dating question

Brian asks would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman? Nicole: no objection as long as he is not being cruel; it is a personal preference. Discussion of whether post-op trans women are fully indistinguishable. Panel broadly agrees it is an acceptable personal preference without transphobia.

Andrew Wilson closing hot takes

Brian reads out rapid-fire hot takes at show end. Women on dating easy mode vs men; makeup as deception; traditional women deserve traditional treatment; men should not pay on first dates; men with high body counts can desire low body count women; plastic surgery makes women look worse; feminism is about securing female benefits; men have been more oppressed (military conscription argument); no male privilege in totality; age-gap relationships between consenting adults are fine.

Transcript

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Luceoption in that example right so the only way to prevent those pregnancy would have been not to have I do but yes but I do think to some compound there are plenty of people who don't have proper education or

Luceproper resources yeah they're just not educated they don't know putting the penis in the vagina leavs my freshman my my my junior year of college my junior year college a girl told me she said I thought you couldn't get pregnant the

Lucefirst time you have sex because you're still a virgin a lot of people don't have good sexual education in America yeah I that is a huge problem and I think abortions would be significantly lower if we had better sex education ah

Isabelle BrownI totally agree we have horrible sex education in this country in fact it's Planned Parenthood who writes most of the sex education in this country and they typically are trying to reach younger and younger and younger audiences by promoting promiscuity and promoting sexual activity great example

Isabelle Brownis the University of CH or not university the the Chicago Public Schools district is now handing out condoms starting in fifth grade in all of your classrooms so if you are 9 or 10 years old you can get free condoms in your public school classroom in Chicago

Isabelle Brownas you are being taught sexual education by Planned Parenthood who then will tell students hey it's okay if you guys get pregnant oopsies uh I just want to I just want to be clear that you're saying

Andrew Wilsonthat you really think that there are people a lot of people who just don't know that putting the penis in the vagina leads to having a child they just want to make sure that we're clear on that I mean you just gave an example of

Andrew Wilsonsomeone I just gave an example of someone I knew personally who thought that that's an exception most of your friends do not not know where babies come from right I

Andrew Wilsonthink a lot of people who are initially having sex do not have proper sexual education to be I know I'm asking you a specific question the specific question is think some people think

Andrew Wilsonthetive and half most of your friends always know majority of that if you put the penis in the vagina it could lead to a baby my mom was very religious and I was not aware

Andrew Wilsonof that until I was 16 years old so you weren't aware that putting a penis in a vagina led to a baby until you were 16 years old really that is correct I think we only have a couple and can I get a

Andrew Wilsonshow a hands at the table of women who are at this table who did not know until they were 16 years old that if a man's penis went into a woman's vagina that could potentially lead to a baby go

Isabelle Brownahead show me the hands 16 I thought having sex with a woman you could conceive with so clearly we have a larger sex problem in this country but there my

Andrew Wilsonpoint homeo because guess when homeschooled you might know this this seems very basic it's unbelievable to me so I guess homeschooling would be optimal because then at least children

Andrew Wilsonwould know that not sticking the penis in the vagina that that leads to the baby that seems insane to me I knew that when I was 10 I knew it when I was 10 do you think that like homeschool parents

Nicolewho are most likely more like traditional are really going to tell their kids like give them proper sexual education that isn't just wait till marriage they the most likely because

Nicolethey that's true because I I think they will and it's completely their right to but I think they will push an abstinence only perspective and that is great well let me finish that's great if the child

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)listens and if they wait until marriage to have sex what because they could they never try where did your glasses and hair go Maddie help me search for gustavo's

Andrew Wilsonglasses he will need them leading the charge on the battle field of love sex said is parents responsibility yeah let's just note um here that if your criticism of homeschooling is that

Andrew Wilsontraditionalists might explain that you should be chased because a man's penis going your vagina may lead to a baby do you think that you could actually accomplish if you homeschooled your kids

Andrew Wilsonthis great feet of explaining to them that if a penis goes in your vagina you might get pregnant and do you think that that's actually hard to do in comparison to apparently the public school system

Andrew Wilsonwhich can't explain to a 16-year-old that this is the case wait Andrew can we say p and the V yeah sure p and the V you know how does a 16-year-old you're going to you really going to endorse the public school system a 16-year-old

Andrew Wilsondoesn't know that that's the case another woman doesn't know that engaging in lesbian sex doesn't lead to production and your whole thing with homeschooling is but these trads might

Andrew Wilsonnot explain it really that's the argument my argument I said what if the kid doesn't listen and they don't understand but they that's the same criticism you could apply to a public school they could go to a public school

Andrew Wilsonalso not listen abely I think we've established that public schools are not successful at it either I'm saying yeah so so if the criticism then if the criticism then is that this is it could happen in public schools which it

Andrew Wilsonclearly does have two case examples of it happening right here at this table if that's the criticism it can happen there and in a homeschooled house let me ask you

Andrew Wilsonspecifically is your daughter going to know by the appropriate age that if a penis goes in her or p and a v happens

Andrew Wilsonthat she may get pregnant is she going to know that I have question absolutely also insane it's like there's too many questions too many questions going on uh

Isabelle BrownIsabelle does have a heart out I'm so sorry I I wish we had so much more time to talk about all of this stuff but I am really encouraged first and foremost that we're willing to talk about this stuff that people in positions of Power are telling us to never talk about that

Isabelle Brownis such a signal of Hope for me about our generation and I I hope that we can create more opportunities for stuff like this because I look around this table and despite all of the crazy things that have been said in the chat and a lot of the disagreement and and divisiveness I

Isabelle Brownsee so much Beauty in the women of Our Generation waking up to these lies of leftism be it hookup culture be it the hormonal birth control Bill we didn't have time to go into that today or abortion uh but even just a desire for something more right a desire for

Isabelle Brownmarriage a desire for children and motherhood I remain really optimistic about the future of this generation and I'm so grateful for you all being willing to open your heart and your mind to a different perspective that's very

Isabelle Brownchallenging to do in the world that we live in today and Brian kudos to you for continuing to do that multiple times every week because no problem people are really active trying to Halt these conversations to further that division

Andrew Wilsonbut I'm grateful for every single one of you can I ask you Isabel before you yeah go for it doesn't it seem like an absurd endorsement of the public school system if this woman here in the blue didn't

Luceknow you could get pregnant until she was 16 years old my my school did not have sexual education at all didn't she have parents your parents never told you this so I was actually in CPS and

Lucedealing with um parental custody problems and now I have two lovely parents who have had extremely um open conversations with me about sex and sexuality and I'm very grateful for that but I think it is

Andrew Wilsonignorant to say that every individual other state system that you went to also did not explain this to you so the state has just failed you at every possible level CPS failed to tell you that babies

Andrew Wilsoncome from the public school system had sex was pornography and pornography does not discuss the criticism but what if they don't follow what why are you

Isabelle Brownattacking the way I quick answer to your question Andrew yes scathing indictment of the public school system but it's also the public school system that's teaching kids today that men can get pregnant and people actually believe this so much bigger issues happening in

Isabelle Brownthe public education system and I think conversations like this are so important because it just goes to show how truly little actual education is happening within our generation it's all indoctrination and

Andrew Wilsonpropaganda all right thank you all I got a jet to the air hang on I can't I can't I can't just let you walk there Hang on we're almost done but I got to ask you this how credible

Andrew Wilsonis it to you that inside of a public school system and the CPS and all of these state run organizations nobody told this woman

Isabelle Brownthat a penis going in the vagina could lead to pregnancy that doesn't public school system that periods don't hurt yeah of course it's absurd Andrew but sadly it's not the

Isabelle Brownmost absurd thing I've even heard in the last 24 hours and I think for most people they are so unaware of How Deep The Rot of systemic lies from leftism authoritarian leftism have taken over

Isabelle Brownevery aspect of civilization in America the entertainment industry the education system uh media politics even the church right it's becoming more popular to recite the sparkle Creed on Sunday

Andrew Wilsonrather than understand the tradition of of Rel wouldn't it then be true that if the criticism is well wait a second you could tell your children at a younger

Andrew Wilsonage than 16 which is insane that P to the V might lead to a baby um if you could tell them at a younger age that this was the case how in the world could

Isabelle Brownthat be an indictment of homeschooling Isabelle I'm so ecstatic to see homeschooling On The Rise and I don't even think it's labeled as like a Trad thing to do anymore over 11% of American families are homeschooling their kids largely after after Co because we got a

Isabelle Brownfront row seat into what's happening inside the classroom so all incredible things and that's really the message that I want to leave this on today look again we can focus on the Doom and Gloom apocalyptic jenz is destroying America thing that I think is so attractive and

Isabelle Brownlow hanging fruit but at the exact same time and this is what I wrote my entire book about that hit shelves a few weeks ago you're watching this dramatic countercultural radical movement of young people looking around at every

Isabelle Brownsingle lie that's being told to us in society in school in pornography on only fans in the abortion industry everywhere that things we talked about tonight and realizing you know we're tired of being lied to we're tired of empty promises

Isabelle Brownwe're tired of secularism we're tired of leftism we want something a whole lot more meaningful and for all the crazy divisive things that we've said today I'm so happy to know that every single person sitting around this table wants

Brian Atlasto get married and everybody but two wants to be a mom those are the types of I don't want to get married Brian I don't want to get married hold on dare let's keep you here another horrible insane person no it's just exciting to

Isabelle Brownsee because those are the cultural changes that we are starting to make on an individual basis that ultimately will impact politics that ultimately will impact policy but as Andrew Breitbart is famous for saying you can't change politics unless you change culture

Isabelle Brownunless you change how people live their day-to-day lives and US quitting our birth control deleting Our dating apps wanting to get married in a culture telling us not to do that wanting to have kids we might still fundamentally disagree on a whole lot politically but

Isabelle BrownI see this as an incredible launch pad and stepping stone into common ground and a future country we're all proud to call home again that's just based in objective reality on things like where babies come from and I'm hopeful that

Isabelle Brownour ability to have these difficult conversations makes a better path forward for everyone who comes after us well thank you for coming awesome thanks guys off to the airport uh Madison why don't you to take that seat

Brian Atlassafe travels all right let's get into some juicy guys we got some juicy we got some juicy stuff here boy uh M you can take the seat please uh all right guys

Brian Atlaslet me do a couple chats and then we're getting into it we're getting back so excuse me six-pack Chad Madison can you read this girl in blue if your theory is

Kennacorrect why is no one calling the black woman a brat or the girl in green a brat they're not calling you a brat because you're a woman it's because you're an idiot I call myself a brat I just want

Northyto like state that yeah you self identify as as a Brad BR Oh Daddy what do we Daddy Daddy what do we

KennaDaddy all right we have Brian misogynist goat Maddie can you read this thank course Brian's misogynistic 30 to 40y

KennaOld Men talks toxically judging 18 to 25-year-old girls with hypocritical Evangelical agenda your Chastity virgin hunting mindset is

Brian Atlas0.01% of the US and is actually horrible for life on Earth okay um well we have people of all ages on the show anywhere from anywhere from

Brian Atlas18 to we've had people in their 50s and 60s people younger than me people older than me we don't uh discriminate on that front hypocritical Evangelical agenda I'm actually I mean uh you know I I

Brian Atlasbelieve in God but I'm not really uh all that religious um chassity virgin hunting mindset uh I think body Cal matters I prefer when it comes to dating I prefer women with a low body count and

Brian Atlasif that means she's a virgin cool but uh she doesn't have to be a virgin for me to date her but I I mean it would be I suppose the most Optimum optimal if she's a Virgin uh people allowed to have

Brian Atlastheir preferences so you are right though it's a very small portion of the uh of the uh dating pool that uh is like that but I'll she doesn't have to be a

Kennavirgin but uh thank you man misogynous goat dope Canadian Jim Canadian 100 if you can read this one so by her definition if people were individually to hold Prejudice towards a specific race that would not be racism makes zero

Brian Atlassense sorry and that's why you get hate from chat Mercy buku for the Canadian you're probably in the French speaking Canadian part so Mercy Canadian JY is this directed towards you or towards you I don't even know at this point it maybe

Brian Atlasit's you apparently you can't be racist towards white people a couple PE that seems to be the position can't be racist towards white people what if I was in China just curious could could then

Nicolethat's a good question I I even then no I mean I think people in China could definitely be prejudiced towards a white person but I'd have to think about if it could be racism I don't think so what

Nicoleyou mean what because you can't in in China you couldn't be racist against a white person in China like a Chinese person we going off my definition of like institutional racism you could

Nicolemaybe be racist against like white people who live in China and live there like full-time if if they're discriminated against they're tourists I think you could be prejudiced against them you couldn't be could be no I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink what kind of like crazy definition when you when you give us the definition because I I noticed CER CER I'm always I'm always very nitpicky with words because leftists like to use them as

Andrew WilsonWeapons I also do I'd like to ask you real quick can you give us your definition of racism again cuz you keep saying for going off of my definition and I would like to go off of your

Nicoledefinition so what is it Institution racial discrimination and institutions are like the government um I mean basically I just talking about the

Andrew Wilsongovernment but it could also be like social institutions as well like schools just Club chur insti yeah absolutely yeah yeah sure okay so when

Andrew Wilsonwe're talking about institution what you're actually specifically saying here is anything which could have authoritative political power sorry can you repeat can you repeat the question anything which has

Andrew Wilsonauthoritative political power would be an institution I wouldn't say that but I could I could yeah sure we can go with that well I want to make sure I'm clear on your

Andrew Wilsondefinition yeah yeah we can go with that so A church could have authoritative power oh yeah inside of government right

Andrew WilsonAbsol yes okay so what if you had an all black church who was speaking out against whites that's an authoritative institutional power would that be racist

Andrew Wilsonit's not on the same scale I think you have to think I think you have to think about now it's scalable so what scale is it when they lose the institutional it's scalable actually I think it it has to I

Nicolemean obviously a um in a different country I think that could be that could be racis country I then I don't no I don't think that could be racist in this country

Nicoleblack people are still the minority they're still the minority there's still a history of chatt slavery which white people have been enslaved but not in the same way chattle slavery okay I just

Andrew Wilsonwant to clarify on this mhm if if if blacks were the majority for an institutional power then that institutional power could be racist

Andrew Wilsonright yeah I think so and do you know what the black population is of Detroit I mean that's Detroit we're talking about the United States as a whole yeah hang on was very specific about what

Andrew Wilsoninstitutional power was here and you said any authoritative body which has political power would be an institution

Andrew Wilsonyes or no mhm okay so do you know what the racial demographic is of Detroit I'm guessing majority black oh a vast

Andrew Wilsonmajority so if they were to I don't know from the pulpit create anti-white rhetoric they now have institutional

Andrew WilsonAuthority by your definition correct they now have institutional power by your definition correct that would fall

Nicoleunder racism by your definition is that correct that I mean yes but if I'm really thinking about it like that I would have to clarify that there would

Andrew Wilsonhave to be some like institutional power would have to actually have an effect on white people's lives like I guess I would adjust my definition of in black population and there's a minority white

Andrew Wilsonpopulation and they create any type of legislation from an authoritative position discriminatory towards white people that would be racism right if they were creating legislation sure but I don't I really don't think that's Cas

Nicolethey created legislation which in any way shape or form toward whites right yes and you're hypothetical if they were creating anti-white legislation that was having a real material effect on white

Andrew Wilsonpeople's lives that would be anti-white racism I just want to make sure clear then before I give you such legislation which has been passed in Detroit let's hear it that if I can give you legislation passed in Detroit which

Andrew Wilsonfavored the majority inside of Detroit in this case black people and the minority of people are white people and they had legislation from basically an

Andrew Wilsonall black political body that this would be and fall under the criteria of anti-white

Nicoleracism I I still think it's like I said just can't do it even by your own definitions no because I think that it's scalable I really do I think we're talking about the United States we're

Nicolenot talking about Detroit we're talking about like a wide scale cuz when I say institution is there a church in the United States is there a church of the United States no then how can church

Nicolehave churches have institutional power you just said they could they can't have in when I say institutional oh they can oh that's crazy say institutional I mean

Nicolethe broad scale of the United States these smaller institutions make up that that black church in Detroit is an exception you love to talk about exceptions to the rule that is an

Andrew Wilsonexception to the broader rule of anti-black racism in the United States not saying okay wait a second so not saying let's assume for a second it is an exception to the rule that would in

Andrew Wilsonno way negate whether or not it was anti-white racism or not mhm okay so I could say for majority of women never had abortions but the minority of them did that the exception of the rule would be the women

Andrew Wilsonwho did not have abortions but that would not negate in any way the fact that those women had abortions so if we move back to this I can even consider them outliers I'll Grant your entire argument and definitions all of it I

Andrew Wilsonmean my definitions are like correct I don't know why you're acting like I'm making a hang on I'm just going to explain it if you can grant that if I can point out an institution which is

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)formed by majority minority block right at least living my wife's boyfriend is going to kill me for spending all of his money

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)tonight to the yellow shirt where are you getting your definitions seems like you're just not wanting to discredit minority history you want to response all I'm

Nicoleasking yeah I'm getting my definition just from like I mean I'm a political science student you could say you think that it's like liberal I love political science so just ask you how can you say if there's no church of the United

Andrew WilsonStates that a church can have insal power at a localized level which is all the a local level but yet an entire city cannot cities do have institutional power then if I can show you a city

Andrew Wilsonwhich is made up demographically of almost all minorities and they passed legislation which favors those minorities over whites how in the world could you consider that non anti-white legislation I mean if it really

Nicolegenuinely had a negative material effect on the lives of white people in Detroit and that continued and that was sustained and it put them in a

Andrew Wilsonsubjugated position to black people sure being pro black people is not a majority let's assume for a second that a

Andrew Wilsonmajority of a city was white and they passed legislation favoring whites buying houses over blacks would you consider that to be a racist

Andrew Wilsonpolicy what do you mean by favoring white people buying houses like it means that the government would be more willing to back them over the white demographic mean over the black

Andrew Wilsondemographic back them what way like not allowing black people to buy me that if a if a white man applied for the loan and a black man applied for the loan and they all had uh Equal Credit equal credit scores equal everything they

Andrew Wilsonstill favored the black man would you would or the white man would you consider that racism yes yes now if I could show you in Detroit where they did the exact same thing favoring

Nicoleblack hang on with a majority black population would that not be racism um no because historically that's no Hey listen of course not no that is that's

NicoleEquity no you guys are laughing is it combating redlining it's combating a historical precedent that is combat stop laughing you look stupid right now that's that is com I don't think I look

Lucestupid right now think you look stupid that's combating a historical precedent that like redlining this is a yeah was it instated to combat redlining or is it its own political agenda I I'm not

Andrew Wilsonfamiliar with was very specific with my language I was very specific about asking what was racism without putting in any other qualifiers I simply asked this question comparatively if the

Andrew Wilsoninstitutional Authority was the majority white and they instituted any policies which favored whites over blacks when it came to buying houses would that be racist and her answer was yes when

Andrew Wilsonreverse the exact same thing with no qualifiers she still said no do how that is logical in any way shape or form when the institutional

Lucepower is still localized in both cases can you clarify if you're referencing a specific law that I'm unfamiliar with or is this hypothetical still well let's just assume for a

Nicolesecond it's hypothetical and I can get an agreement before I show the law okay um I would say no first of all that would not be

Nicoleracism because if we're actually thinking about this in context do you agree that racism is real anti-black racism is real yes and do you agree there have been policies enacted all the

Nicoleway from slavery to Jim Crow that have subjugated black people and put them in a in a subjugated economic position to white people yes and do you agree that has an effect on them

Andrew Wilsontoday it yes just like I would agree that there's a anti-white bias which exists in the South due to the Civil War and the civil war created a cross-generational poverty sector for

Andrew Wilsonthe South you would have to agree intersectionally that that's true correct like the civil war created well you're talking about intersectionalism hang on you're talking about intersectionalism right now and so if

Andrew Wilsonwe're talking about intersectionalism and I'm willing to concede to you and I do that there has been anti-black policies which have been instituted in the United States which have been heavily racist and that the cross-generational effect is that there are disadvantaged blacks

Andrew Wilsonto this day who are not able to accumulate the same amount of wealth as the white ancestors of you and I me and you could both agree that that's likely true right yeah okay well then logically

Andrew Wilsonwe would need to extend that to Southern whites who also have at least at least 200 years of Oppression from the north on I just don't agree that wait wait a

Andrew Wilsonsecond hang on hang on yes it's the same exact intersectional logic it has to be no it doesn't have to be the entire South is burned down and all of their wealth is taken and there's anti-white

Andrew Wilsonsediment in the south then it would stand to reason they also cross generation stop that they also are cross generationally disadvantaged there's no way around that logically yes there is you can't just like say something that's

Andrew Wilsonillogical and say there's no way around my logic that didn't I say which was illogical I'm willing to hear you out slavery is more prominent in the South I

Brian Atlasdo have Tove move on I do have to move on we have David treak good job of the women panel I didn't get my comment read earlier no we we read both of your comments about the barbecue thing we

Brian Atlasread both of them um I don't I didn't care I got denied exact food because my race there is history women deserve the rights to Health Care by the way okay I guess that's in relation to the uh Pro

Brian AtlasChoice pro-life conversation we were having we have a couple super chats I need to pull up we have uh FB wo sexist women call men sexist are they wrong yeah the girl in The Blues actions

Brian Atlasclearly show she's a selfish and entitled brat that hates men yet she thinks men calling out her sex Behavior makes them bad talk about having your cake and eating it

Lucetoo I do not hate men um just because I have opinions that you know certain things that certain men say could be misogynistic doesn't mean that I believe

Lucethat men don't suffer in any way I've never once said in this entire podcast I hate men those words have never left my mouth I don't agree with that um what do you think of

Lucemen um do you guys know the famous quote by Sher where she says well I love men yes why don't you say it for us does

Luceanyone know the full know what you're talking about it's like I love men but I don't I don't need them to live I think actually you do no it's what you agree with her or you disagree no no no no no

Luceit's just a very I iconic famous feminist quote of her talking about because in my perspective I um I do love men I have a lot of have had great

Lucerelationships with men I love my father I think he's an amazing man um but but I think that it's okay for me to also think that there are some aspects of

Lucemisogyny in life the same way a man could say that you know maybe I'm sorry if I said something sexist towards men I didn't have that intention I was just showing or sharing my own perspectives

Brian Atlasof how I felt like I was being treated okay so so uh riffing off of the share thing do we need

Lucemen I think um all societies grow from like diversity and from um inclusivity so yeah of course you you need men I

Lucemean Pro procreation men are a part of that as well um and I think I've needed a lot of the great men in my life um I just think

Luceit's a it's a silly like interpretation of how how people think women perceive those relationships like oh I love men but I also hate men it's it's not like that like I've I've never felt like I

Brian Atlashated I'm a little confused why you brought up the share thing because the in the quote she she essentially says I don't something like I don't need men I think she she's like I I forgot someone

Luceasked her the question do we need men or something and she says like for what she say she no she says I am a rich man her joke is that there's a notion in society that women only need men for money or

LuceToc or to be successful and I disagree with that you actually need men to survive okay I just do you disagree I'm I was

Luceusing her to back or to reference kind of a very famous iconic perceived feminist quote um she has gotten very that was a very famous introduction to

Lucethe I hate men movement I would concur um are you in favor of her statement no I I I'm just playing off of it playful why is everything so serious I'm

Luceconfused why you're bringing it up it's a silly fun funny thing where she's saying she's equally successful as rich men that's not hold on I don't know if we're talking about love men I but but I don't need them to live I am I told my

Lucemom she said to marry a rich man and I told my mom I am a rich man hold on yeah just look it up I think it's a funny like it's kind of a cute interpretation

Brian Atlasthat she had of her own success um I so she was asked do you think men are important and Sher responded by saying like for

Lucewhat as if to dismiss that men are important what is the rest of the quote that's not the that I brought up that's well that's the most notable one okay but if I what brought up a different quote by her talking about two different things why

Luceare we talking about two different things and why are you accusing me of well you should have been more precise I suppose but she is equating herself to men she's constantly iconic okay whatever forget the whole topic I stayed away from my original well then I'll

Andrew Wilsonjust ask the question then do you think we need men sure I need men okay I have a LoveHate relationship with men you have a LoveHate relationship with men okay can you guys also tell us

Brian Atlaswhat you need them for as you go around the table to reproduce yeah what about survival do you guys agree that you every woman at this table needs men to survive I think men can be

Brian Atlasgood protectors but a lot of no I don't even I don't even mean on an individual like your boyfriend like I'm not talking about that level I'm talking at a societal level you do realize that all

Brian Atlasof you need you need men to survive no no no no I'm not talking about hold on I'm I'm talking in the short term here I'm not talking about reproduction absolutely men would women to reproduce

Northyalso I think getting rid of half of the population would be detrimental yes okay yeah I agree yep yeah yes yes

Nicolewa yes what uh yeah I agree that we need men now because yeah though I mean they're half the population like if you were to go back to the beginning of history and for some reason men just never really existed we women probably

Nicolewould have built up their own infrastructure and civilization but that's not how it happened so yeah we need men continue where where where where would they have done this I said if men didn't exist

Andrew Wilsonobviously they would have had to do it if men didn't exist yeah they would have where could they have done this what do you mean on on planet Earth I'm saying if you back well there are physiological differences between men and women you would have to concede that that's true

Andrew Wilsoncorrect well if men didn't exist the physiological differences wouldn't matter no they would still very much matter even if men did not exist they would still matter even if you reproduced asexually your phys phological differences would still

Andrew Wilsonmatter that's Survival the fittest right yeah so then I guess I mean men wouldn't even factor into the equation it would be the physiological differen Between Women because women are not capable of building the kind of infrastructure that

Andrew Wilsonmen can due to simple things like heat regulation disagree you disagree really you disagree yes no then give me a

Andrew Wilsoncounter example of when women buil C you give me one had higher test scores yeah I mean give me an example when women built a

Nicolecivilization I mean small civilizations yes but I'm saying if men never existed women would have had to do it obviously that's not the way it turned out so no I can't give you an example because men because of the physiological differences

Andrew Wilsonhave been dominant throughout all of history great so let's engage with this under your terms let's assume for a second that women were asexual could reproduce on their own and still have

Nicolethe same physical prowess that they have to date modern women can you explain to me how they would build a society the exact same way that men have I mean like being slightly less physically strong

Nicolemaybe our houses would be made out of they're not slightly less okay maybe our houses would be made out of Like Straw instead of Steel I don't know like I don't think you don't know I know of course I don't I'm not an anthropologist I'm not a historian now I you think that

Andrew Wilsonthey would like take care of all the roads and all the infrastructure and all of these things you think they could do that easily yes if men didn't exist obviously yes yeah and what do you think those roads would look like probably

Andrew Wilsonlike normal roads I don't know you so essentially you think that men and women are interchangeable widges and were it that men just did not exist and women were asexual that women could basically

Andrew Wilsondo all of the things that men could do essentially we're not going to know because this is a hypothetical yeah that's I mean it's pointless like the hypothetical is designed to test the logic so I'm testing your logic right

Andrew Wilsonnow by asking you this question if women could reproduce asexually do you think that essentially they would build the same exact types of societies that we see now I don't think it would look

Nicoleexactly the same no I think there would have to be diff there would be workarounds to certain things but I mean like like what kind of things what if women did it better what if we did it worse we're not going to that's a great

Nicolequestion I'm entertaining this what would women do better thing is like the pyramids the people who built the pyramids the people who built the pyramids couldn't lift the heavy bricks on their own either they had to make

Andrew Wilsonpulley and things to lift them too right exactly yes yeah so essentially society would look exactly the same it would just be built by

Northypeople who you think are just slightly weaker so you think that again we are interchangeable widgets thetically if we were reproducing asexually the it would be survival of

Northythe fittest so we would in terms like have bigger women being able to pull things due to Evolution here I let me get through some chat here hang on hang on due to EV do you know how long

Andrew WilsonEvolution takes so many oh yeah when we're talking about civil modern civilization has existed for oh I don't know about 500 years

Andrew Wilsonright we would consider some kind of modernity but civilization itself didn't spring up recorded civilization till about 11,000 years ago Homo sapiens came around about 350,000 years ago so that's

Andrew Wilsona long long long time but assuming all things equal women were in the exact same space that they're in right this second with the

Northyexact same physical strength that they have right now what do you think society would look like I think it would be great we got those muscle mommies out there oh they would just build all them

Nicoleroads right I think it would probably look similar yes yeah it would look similar okay I'll just leave it there cool thank you

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Kennaone and if you prove me wrong I'll pay off the 100 bucks but you won't be able to pay me to prove wrong FB BR definition a child especially an annoying spoiled or

Kennaimpolite child usually used in the content or irritation this seems accurate to me then yes she is very very childish annoying and not very

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Brian Atlaseverybody here dating sort of D okay ask everyone to rate their looks physical looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go

Northyahead um like a seven okay uh in DC I'm a 12 in California I would say I'm like a seven or an eight well you can't go beyond a 10 so

Brian Atlasyou're a sure I'll be a 10 in DC you're 10 in DC and a oh you said an eight like a California 7 we got the math sign can we put up the math sign this [ __ ] 12 12

Brian Atlasis 12 is greater than the amount which was proposed I meant 12 out of 12 my bad I say 8 and A2 wait can you scoot your mic this way a little bit this way yeah

Nicoleperfect eight eight and a half eight and a half all right eight is it like six and a half like a four um a

Brian Atlasseven eight I give myself five Andrew what about you you handsome death I would put myself at a four all right there we go nobody too crazy

Brian Atlashere with you know any sort of delusion that's always good no nothing too wild uh I do want to ask a question that I promised I think it was the conservative

Brian AtlasLatina uh she sent in a streamlabs donation asking can you be sexist against men starting with you

Northyyes I would say yes but I would like to elaborate on this can I think um a lot of the sexism towards men comes from some sort of trauma like I myself have

Northylike been in that boat and those shoes where it's like I hate men all of men suck and that's because I had unresolved things I like I love men but I hate them at the same time you know that's a yikes

Brian Atlasbut okay um wait you love men but you hate them at the same time yeah I think a lot of men are losers a lot of men are how so you mean

Northyfinancially no just like in general um like if I'm is Nick a loser Nick is such a [ __ ] loser what the [ __ ] Nick are

Andrew Wilsonyou gonna stand for that bro what about Gustavo Gustavo are you a loser damn the [ __ ] you're a little pathetic little [ __ ] baby loser she the [ __ ] did you

Andrew Wilsonjust say about my boy Gustavo the [ __ ] I asked him if he was kick out moment for [ __ ] you can't insult Gustavo he's the best well I'm going to wrestle him later and I'm going to win what the [ __ ] hey

Kennayo it's Rachel that's on you I'm staying out of this one we got uh Rachel Wilson Andrew Andrew's wife in the chat can you read it Andrew is the best husband ever he's

Brian Atlasextremely good to me and a very kind person he is a 10 sorry to all our haters hi Brian yo what's up Rachel thank you for the uh Super Chat uh just wanted to pull that up there because it was uh kind of relevant that was years

Brian Atlasof patriarchal brainwashing that got her to believe that by yeah he brainwashed Rachel Wilson brainwash wased her by the way she has a book which is uh did did you also force her to write the book too

Andrew WilsonAndrew gun to her head I did but only because I knew that I could promo and sell a bunch of copies and then buy more guns for my own selfish patriarchal needs it's called a cult feminism you

Brian Atlascan find it on Amazon among other places thank you so much for allowing me to shamelessly shill it Brian of course I want to start a cult good times wait so okay uh you have a LoveHate relationship

Northywith men um you said most men are losers what are most women then um I think the general population I'm kind of deviating away from this question but I think the general population a lot of people are

Nicolereally insecure and they project that onto other people okay all right I think it's on both sides uh can you be sexist towards

Nicolemen yes absolutely um sexist yes Miss no wait hold on I will I will I will clarify this I will I clarify this let's not dive back into that I would not like

Nicoleto either I if I can clarify this without diving back into a conversation we wer I don't even think we were we've talked about can you be racist towards white people because I was going to I was going to connect to that I was going to say I think you can be sexist to men in the same way you can be Prejudice

Brian Atlaslike a white person can be Prejudice but I don't think on a systemic level there's no like misry what hold hold on bro what hold yeah y yeah yeah wait so so you you're saying you can be sexist yeah on like a on like an individual

Brian Atlasprejudice level yeah you can say I hate men but doesn't equate to any sort of real no systemic there's no systemic so you're saying there's oh my God bro I don't even know where to begin with this

Brian Atlasone this [ __ ] could take three hours to [ __ ] unwind so but I'm confused because this is a little bit different than your stance on the racism it is different with white people because you said no you can't be racist towards white people it's the same it's the same

Nicolelogic Ryan you'll see as you unravel it's the same logic but I do feel differently about it I I don't know if I want to get into that conversation okay so mandry you do you deny that there even is

Andrew Wilsonandand on like a I know there's definitely hatred of men I think it is but it's not on a systemic

Andrew Wilsonlevel power in society they can't really be mous right sorry what because women don't have institutional power they can't really be mandr right that's not

Nicolethe definition of mandry though so if the definition say hang on just let her hang on that's what you're going to say right well I mean if you're if we're going by the definition of like strictly hatred of men yeah then yeah you can

Nicolehate men it says dislike of contempt for or ingrained prejudice against men yeah then you can you can defit exist it's because of why it's not

Andrew Wilsonin your taste buds because of why what why is it that you actually believe though that mandre can't exist it's because you believe that women don't have institutional power and therefore

Andrew Wilsonbecause they don't they can't truly be manderas only men well that's why iist and chauvinist right isn't that really the

Andrew Wilsoncase yeah I mean I you're going to have to repeat the question honestly sorry you think and you tell me if I'm wrong that the only reason that men or

Andrew Wilsonwomen can't be mandris towards men is because women don't have institutional power right essentially yeah I mean if we're going strictly on the defin it's just the same [ __ ] anti-racist

Andrew Wilsonargument it's the same exact thing that you said before right yeah because you know why different initates makes you a minority the reason you make this argument is because it makes you a minority that's the only reason you

Nicolewomen yeah it is listen let me here I'll Pro it you're assuming my perspective you're assuming my perspective I are you a minority no I don't think women are the minority and neither are white people

Andrew Wilsonand I'm a white woman I'm I'm a majority both ways wait wait wait that's super confusing you're not a minority but you cannot discriminate as a any type of collective

Andrew Wilsonagainst men only men can collectively discriminate against you I could I could engage in discrimination against a black man um on on a racial level but that would not negate the fact that you're a minority just because you could

Andrew Wilsondiscriminate against a black man a Hispanic could discriminate against a black man correct I'm I sure yes yes so if a Hispanic can discriminate against a black man you would not say a Hispanic is not a

Andrew Wilsonminority would you no but I mean I'm not a like statistically I'm not a minority you not be a minority you saying you're the majority but have don't have institutional power that's what you're saying yes like as a

Nicolewhole women do not have more institutional power than men white women have more institutional power than a lot of different groups Howes you a minority though I never said anyone was a minority I'm I'm not how how could you

Andrew Wilsonnot be a minority because that's not the def minority means a minority of population all right let's try this a different way let's assume that we're looking at this from an intersectional perspective you know what

Andrew Wilsonintersectionality is from your feminist study classes correct I've never taken one but I can take a stab at it you would put white men at the top of the

Nicoleoppress everybody the [ __ ] else ladder right um I don't think there's anyone above white men I wouldn't rank it on like a hierarchy but uh if you were

Andrew Wilsonranking on a hierarchy white men would be on the top would put at the top and women white women would be under that right yes I I would say so yeah maybe

Andrew Wilsonlike second right number two sure yeah right so you're saying that you're discriminated against by white men as a white woman I mean in some ways I'm sure

NicoleI don't think I think misogyny is absolutely relevant I think institutional discrimination against women in the United States and like most developed countries is not the problem that it has been his historically but I

Nicolemean there are countries where women just got the right to drive like 5 years ago yeah we're talking about the United States okay yeah then and inside of the United States you still consider yourself to be underneath white men

Nicolecorrect yeah yeah so you are oppressed by white men right I mean in a small way sure yeah yeah right so when you say

Andrew Wilsonthat white women or black women or any women cannot actually be misandrist you're just saying that because you consider white men to be above everybody

Andrew Wilsonin the hierarchy yeah yeah got it so next time just say that now diving diving into that are there more white

Andrew Wilsonwomen or white men in the United States I think women I think women I think women why is it how come they don't have the institutional power even though it's not a number it's not a numbers game

Andrew Wilsonit's it's not an that's not I me that's just not how institutional power works really so then a minity could hold institutional power and Lord it over everybody else yeah on we've already gone into the discussion of scaleit I

Andrew Wilsonjust wanted to make sure that I have this clear a minority could hold institutional power and Lord it over everybody else even in a place where they're not the majority correct sure

Brian Atlaslike Detroit sure yeah okay that's all I wanted to say thank you cool I'm so confused by a lot of things here because you're saying that so you're

Brian Atlassaying women don't have institutional or systemic power no I'm not saying they don't have any I'm saying there's definitely as compared to men yes as compared to men well then how do you reconcile so I already made this

Brian Atlasargument before m in the higher education system every single university has a women's study a feminist study program which which perpetuates the feminist

Brian Atlasideology so and not just in the University have youever taken aies class hold on not just in the University system but in corporations in media in

Nicolegovernment feminism is the status quo I mean I think that's a reaction to the historical discrimination against women it's it's not elevating them above

Brian Atlasmen it's elevating them to their level the same thing as like we were talking about policies power who holds the power men and I think not feminists no absolutely not I mean I know that you

Nicolethink that but I disagree but okay so if men hold all the power then I didn't say they all the power I'm saying that women cannot like on a broad level

Nicolediscriminate like there is no institutional discrimination against men by women it sounds like you're trying to say it's just kind of like a man's world it favors men yeah basically I mean I wouldn't say I'm like subjected to any

Nicolesort of like you know discrimination on a personal level but as a whole men do hold more institutional power than women I mean look at our politicians we have plenty of women but

Andrew Wilsonthat's we've never had a female president I mean that's kind of surface level Apex fallacy apex apex it's an apex fallacy sure um wait a second there's more women in the

Brian Atlasvoting pool than there are men we don't have a female president isn't wait hold on you're saying women just got the right to vote not like what year what year did women get the right to vote I

Brian Atlasdon't have that knowledge I think it was the 1900s my understanding is there currently there are no women alive in the United States who never had the right to

Northyvote but we do have our mothers out telling us to utilize right what's that I said we have our mothers and our grandmothers telling us to

Northyutilize this right I mean but also if we your your mom and grandmother could vote yeah I'm saying that they were telling what people my age to utilize

Northythe right I'm what's your argument like my mother and my grandmother are like you should vote that's what I'm saying cool I guess I'm saying that we have like the pressure from our elders but

Brian Atlasagain all these universities with their their hundred million endowments and these universities are steeped in feminist ideology what effect

Nicoleis that having on men's Liv massive what effect is holy [ __ ] like materially not like men are sad because of it I mean like what actual real effects that are sustained and will last throughout

Andrew Wilsonhistory what effect is that having well the biggest effect is the reproduction crisis which has happened as a direct result of women's Liberation and especially the sexual Revolution which has taking responsibility off of women

Andrew Wilsonto the point where 16-year-old women don't know that a p and v leads to babies what's happened also is that you have seen as a result of this crazy ass

Andrew Wilsonsexual Revolution abortion Skyrocket you've seen how abortion sket you've seen women's Liberation lead all ends lead to a reproductive crisis inside of

Nicolethe nation how is the reproductive crisis in effect only for men how is that something that only affects men it's not something that only affects men that's what I was asking what's what's a

Nicolean effect of feminist Studies classes a real material effect on men's lives that only affects men and is significant and can sustain into the future how is it negatively impacting

Andrew Wilsonthem the draft the draft would be something I could point to immediately is not a result of feminist Studies classes the draft existed long before feminist studies you want the answer or not well you're wrong your answer is

Nicoleincorrect how do you know I haven't explained my answer feem feminist Studies classes existed after the draft so you can't say that's a result of femin what they have not addressed the draft as they have addressed women's

Andrew WilsonLiberation have you how many feminist studies class still to this day hey stop stop let me explain why is it still to this day that when it comes to the draft women can avoid it men cannot well

Nicoleyou're the one saying that women are just physiologically different do you think we could adequately defend ourselves in war no which is why I don't think you should have equal rights to men okay I mean if you don't think women should

Andrew Wilsonhave equal rights to men then we we can't really engage on a equal level why can't we engage on it you don't think I should have equal rights to you how am I supposed to engage and and why is there a moral imperative that you must that I must have equal rights or that I must

Andrew Wilsonengage with you that you must have equal rights first of all there's no moral start this for debate my position is that rights do not exist there are social construction a product of the

Andrew WilsonMind absolutely I agree with you on that good great you agree with me why is there a moral imperative that you have equal rights to Men Who defend you while you sleep there is none what war are you

Andrew Wilsonin there is none what draft have you been in how how are you protecting me in my daily life what have you you individually done well let's assume that I've individ done nothing that would

Lucehave no merit in the argument whatsoever what about women who choose to enlist in the military despite not being in the I just think we should move on to a different topic we're not getting any I'm sure you that I'm sure that you do I'm sure that you do back to the moral

Nicolething there is no moral imperative there I would agree with you that rights do not exist that's something we agree upon as a society there's no inherent like moral imperative that everyone has equal rights there's no imperative that any

Nicolerace has equal rights that's something we debate on and we decide and I am of the opinion that it is unfair it's unjust for women to not have equal

Andrew Wilsonrights You can disagree yeah but so what who cares if you if you think that Mak what makes it a moral imperative just I already said there is no there is no moral imperative there's nothing

Nicoleinherent moral imper we just do it off of consensus sorry we just do it off of consensus um I mean yeah essentially it's like a potic rights are a political

Nicoleprocess consens I would disagree I'm I believe in democracy but so you think we should do things off of a consensus yeah that's what I said so what if the Democratic order

Andrew Wilsonarbitrarily lowered the age of consent to 16 or 15 or 14 I think there are states where it's 16 I don't know but let's assume that it was younger do you think that we should adhere to the Democracy because that's what the

Nicoleconsensus is if you're yeah if you believe in democracy yes I mean in like Japan should we should we do that I would not I would vote against that and I might even move out of the country but why what's the moral impair you just

Andrew Wilsonsaid there's no moral imperative and we should follow what the consensus says so if the consensus said it that it shouldn't be 10 well because I think having can I say because

NicoleI feel like this is a topic that might like go into fa enough okay let's just assume let's assume it the other way let's just assume it a different way okay why is it then that if the

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