Andrew Wilson vs. Feminists (HEATED)?! MAGA Girls?! VlRGlN?! NEAR KICK?! | Dating Talk #151

Date: 2024-04-10

Duration: 6h 38m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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KKenna (DT151)>

CCarly (DT151)>

NNicole (DT151)>

CCaroline (DT151)>

IIsabelle Brown >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)(audience)

SPEAKER_02Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_03Luce(guest)

SPEAKER_04Caroline(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kenna(guest)

SPEAKER_06Northy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Isabelle Brown(guest)

SPEAKER_13Carly(guest)

SPEAKER_14Arya Riley(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces the panel; Arya Riley refuses to share her age triggering a ~20 minute standoff.

“"please tell us your name age location and occupation"”

ControversyArya Riley refuses to share her age for ~20 minutes citing "mystery" strategy from Robert Greene's Art of Seduction. Brian threatens to kick her off the show. She eventually says "I'm 22" as a lie. Pre-show casting indicated 29.

“"I just don't share that... it's part of my mystery... my appeal"”

QuoteBrian threatens to remove Arya from show if she refuses to share her age.

“"if the choice is between revealing your age and me kicking you off the show right now which do you choose"”

QuoteArya discloses her sugar daddy has sent approximately $26k total in cash and gifts including paying her rent, before they even met in person ($12k sent before first meeting).

“"I would guess in cash like 20,000 and then maybe in gifts... my rent's on auto pay too"”

OtherArya Riley explains the origin of her viral boat TikTok video: met a ~65yo man at a bar the night she was fired from a strip club; he invited her and a friend sailing; not a sugar daddy.

“"I had just gotten fired from the strip club and we went out... he invited us to go sailing"”

ControversyLuce argues women were historically excluded from the workforce until wartime. Andrew and panel correct this claim; women were teachers, nurses, clerical workers throughout history.

“"until war time women weren't allowed in the workforce"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues from the transcript that women historically fought against suffrage because they did not want to incur debt or be conscripted. Luce pushes back on revisionist framing.

“"the anti-suffragettes... didn't want to be drafted... didn't want to incur debt"”

ControversyBrian plays a clip of a previous female guest calling him "white boy" to dismiss his argument. Long debate follows on whether this is racism or prejudice.

“"white boy... you've never experienced racism in history white people haven't experienced racism"”

OtherIsabelle Brown opens abortion discussion and challenges panel on body autonomy argument; notes life begins at conception biologically; compares selective abortion to eugenics logic. She leaves the show shortly after (~3 hour mark).

“"isn't that the same line of thinking that eugenicists have used throughout all of human history"”

QuoteIsabelle Brown makes closing statement before leaving due to flight: remains optimistic about her generation; grateful for the conversation.

“"I remain really optimistic about the future of this generation"”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Andrew Wilson rates himself a 4; Northy gives DC 10 / California 7 joke.

“"ask everyone to rate their looks physical looks on a scale of 1 to 10"”

ControversyNorthy calls production staff member Gustavo "a pathetic little baby loser" on air; Andrew Wilson reacts sharply in defense of Gustavo.

“"is Nick a loser Nick is such a fucking loser what the fuck... Gustavo are you a loser"”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Nicole to provide secular moral grounds for why necrophilia is wrong; Nicole says she has no grounds beyond personal opinion; Andrew uses this to argue secular morality has no epistemic foundation.

“"if a society democratically voted that people are allowed to screw dead bodies you have nothing other than your personal opinion to justify why they shouldn't do it"”

OtherAndrew invites Nicole and Luce to come to his studio for a formal 1v1 debate with no interruptions; Brian announces Andrew returning to studio next Sunday and Tuesday.

“"go in studio have a one v one debate... it'll be well moderated"”

QuoteArya Riley complains her spine is hurting due to large breast size during heated debate; Brian draws attention to it.

“"my spine is screaming"”

OtherBrian reads rapid-fire closing hot take statements covering dating norms, feminism, body count, plastic surgery, age-gap relationships, male oppression (military conscription), and male privilege; ends with genital shaming joke.

“"women have dating on easy mode... only traditional women deserve traditional treatment... feminism is not about equality it's about securing benefits for women"”

OtherEnd of show: Brian does Twitch double-raid to stay-safe and WowGrandma78 (82yo WoW streamer). Andrew Wilson redirects viewers to his YouTube channel. Northy promotes her YouTube channel "Hard Ones" after doing a bow (after calling Brian "baby girl").

“"I'm going to do a double raid... WowGrandma78... she's 82 she plays World of Warcraft"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Arya Riley refuses to share her age (~20 minute standoff with Brian). Brian threatens to remove her from show. Isabelle Brown returning guest; now engaged. Carly discloses she was previously only attracted to women.

Age mystery standoff — Arya Riley

Arya Riley refuses to share her age citing "mystery" strategy from Art of Seduction. Brian spends ~20 minutes pressing her. She eventually says "I'm 22" as a lie. Pre-show casting indicated age 29. Chat donates to push back. Isabelle Brown and Northy discuss the OnlyFans mystery/fantasy-selling angle. Brian points out contradiction: posting nude content but hiding age.

Relationship status and sugar daddy arrangement

Brian goes around table for relationship status. Arya Riley describes her sugar daddy arrangement: ~$26k total from man who found her via Instagram after a bikini contest video. He sent $12k before they ever met in person. Paid her rent. Brian asks how many sugar daddies she's had total; she declines to estimate. Northy: single since August 2023; no relationship; career focused. Kenna: in 5-month relationship. Carly: single; complicated history with first male partner after being lesbian.

Viral boat video (Arya Riley)

Brian plays two TikTok videos from Arya Riley's account. First: shows her with an older white man — not a sugar daddy; met at a bar the night she was fired from strip club. He invited her and a friend sailing. Video went viral. Second (boat one): Brian plays with audio; she sings; older man is on a sailboat with her.

Partner income requirements

Brian asks each guest minimum income requirement in a partner. Kenna: $100k minimum; wants luxury lifestyle, travel, 3-4 bedroom house. Arya Riley: no minimum per hour; wants man who can provide; had negative experience with wage-gap relationships. Carly (UCSB poli sci/barista): wants comparable income (~barista level currently; higher for long-term). Caroline: equitable contribution, livable income for the area. Luce: love first; partnership/shared financial planning; flexible on who earns more. Isabelle Brown: priorities shift as wedding nears; simple life more appealing.

Marriage and kids intent round

Isabelle Brown asks who still wants to get married and have kids. Almost everyone raises hands; Northy: would consider marriage but not kids (kids might ruin relationship). Andrew Wilson notes apparent contradiction between wanting traditional marriage outcomes while still having modern financial requirements. Isabelle says she is surprised and gratified that most still want marriage.

Women in history and workforce

Luce claims women weren't allowed in the workforce until WWII. Andrew corrects her: women were nurses, teachers, clerical workers throughout history. Discussion of why women lack corporate ladder presence (fewer female CEOs). Andrew: women don't gravitate toward that kind of competitive corporate environment. Brief discussion of women's college enrollment exceeding men's (60/40 split).

Feminism: definition debate

Debate over what feminism means. Andrew offers "most charitable" definition: belief in egalitarianism and equality under law. Panel mostly declines the feminist label. Northy: prefers justice over equality; equity framing; subjective moral metric. Luce: progressive but avoids labels. Andrew's test: does being a stay-at-home mom hold women back? Most say no; Andrew argues that disqualifies most from being modern feminists.

Nuclear family and stay-at-home mothers

Andrew Wilson argues nuclear family is the optimal societal unit; requires stay-at-home mothers during formative years. Luce pushes back: individual relationships should determine dynamics. Andrew counters with population data and birth rate decline. Northy and Luce argue stay-at-home model is subjective and not universally optimal. Panel divided on whether career or motherhood should be prioritized.

Racism debate: can you be racist against white people?

Brian plays a clip of a prior female guest calling him "white boy" to dismiss his arguments. Panel debates whether that is racism or prejudice. Nicole and Luce: racism requires institutional power; calling Brian "white boy" is prejudice not racism. Andrew Wilson and Brian: by moral equivalence, prejudice equally bad as racism; double standard. Knockout game discussion (Andrew: specific anti-white crime pattern). Extended Andrew vs. Nicole/Luce debate on social constructs, material reality, and definitions. Brian: women benefit most from affirmative action (specifically white women).

Misogyny accusation and podcast defense

Luce argues the Whatever Podcast is misogynistic in tone and framing. Andrew and Brian push back: misogyny requires hatred, not disagreement. Luce raises friend who appeared on show and received hate online. Brian plays back a clip of that previous female guest calling him "white boy." Panel debates double standards in public discourse and cancel culture. Brian: UCSB feminist studies program perpetuates ideology; universities are ideologically captured.

Abortion debate

Isabelle Brown opens abortion discussion near end of her time on show. Luce: pro-choice under privacy clause; personally would not get one. Arya Riley: 100% pro-choice given her experience in the industry. Northy: pro-choice; references medical complexity of abortion timelines. Nicole: pro-choice; debate between her and Isabelle on soul/personhood. Isabelle: pro-life; life begins at conception (biomedical + theological). Andrew: references Christian ethic against abortion. Discussion of late-term abortion rarity and gender-selective abortion.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Northy: 7 (California 7, DC 10/12 joke). Nicole: 8 to 8.5. Carly: 7-8 (implied from order). Arya: declined. Caroline: 4 area (implied). Andrew Wilson: 4. Luce, Kenna: not clearly extracted.

Can you be sexist toward men / misandry debate

Andrew asks panel if misandry exists. Nicole: individual sexism toward men exists but not systemic misandry. Northy: admits she has gone through "I hate men" phase stemming from unresolved trauma. Extended Andrew debate with Nicole on definitions of prejudice vs racism vs misandry. Brian points out Northy insulted Gustavo (staff) calling him a loser during episode.

Moral relativism: necrophilia thought experiment

Andrew Wilson asks Nicole and Luce for their moral justification for why necrophilia is wrong. Nicole says it is wrong because it is personally wrong to her — no universal justification. Andrew pushes: if society democratically allowed it, what grounds to oppose it? Nicole: I would disagree personally; would leave the country. Andrew: this reveals there is no epistemological grounding for secular morality. Extended philosophical debate. Andrew invites Nicole and Luce to come to his studio for a formal 1v1 debate.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts. Luce: under 10 (includes women). Northy: under 10 (explicitly "under 15" in order; some ambiguity). Arya: unclear/declined. Nicole: 1 (lost virginity at 21; couple months into relationship). Carly: 1 (first male partner at ~21 after being a lesbian; girl partners implied but not counted). Isabelle Brown: indirectly declined to answer (already left). Andrew Wilson: declined; chat member (kill cereal) announces being a virgin waiting for marriage.

Would you date a trans woman / trans dating question

Brian asks would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman? Nicole: no objection as long as he is not being cruel; it is a personal preference. Discussion of whether post-op trans women are fully indistinguishable. Panel broadly agrees it is an acceptable personal preference without transphobia.

Andrew Wilson closing hot takes

Brian reads out rapid-fire hot takes at show end. Women on dating easy mode vs men; makeup as deception; traditional women deserve traditional treatment; men should not pay on first dates; men with high body counts can desire low body count women; plastic surgery makes women look worse; feminism is about securing female benefits; men have been more oppressed (military conscription argument); no male privilege in totality; age-gap relationships between consenting adults are fine.

Transcript

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Arya Rileyracism my definition of racism is basically exactly what she just said when you're color if affects how you live your life

Arya Rileycompletely by saying you're white that's an observation racism is like your subscriber that was talking about I won't date this is why I don't want to

Arya RileyBL date uh black women because they're ignorant and stuff like that's racism Prejudice is saying oh she's black that's

Andrew WilsonPrejudice so your definition is there well let me let me ask for just very quick okay as soon as this comes through let me just ask this very quickly is being Prejudice worse than being

Andrew Wilsonracist no I mean honestly no I we're not all going to be Kum by ya of course and so you would agree then that while it's true or may be true from your worldview

Andrew Wilsonthat you could not be racist towards Brian by calling him white boy um and he us to say it's a Prejudice statement you just said that morally they abor correct well then I take that back because just

Andrew Wilsonby saying stating the obvious that he is white then yeah that's not are you but if you say if you say that's a prejudicial statement yeah then then then you say it's Prejudice and

Andrew WilsonPrejudice is not more immoral than being racist haven't you done an equal thing hang on hang on haven't you done an equally hang on haven't you done an equally immoral Thing by by uh calling

Arya Rileydoing something which is Prejudice instead of racist no if I start like attacking him and saying like racial stuff which I will not do then yes but

NorthyI'm not doing that and neither was she no but but she was she said that she could not be racist she said she was being Prejudice I think it was she was being more degrading than anything it would be like similar to someone being

Northylike calling me foure eyes if I was wearing glasses where it's like yeah that's my appearance but I'm not inherently affected by it in like all of society wait what

Brian Atlaswhat wait are you just saying like so calling someone Four Eyes is on like being racist against white people is on par with calling someone for eyes I was comparing it to her just degrading you

Nicoleis what she was racially I would say it is on par because white people don't face racial discrimination people with glasses don't face glasses discrimination you're you're no more

Nicolehurt a whole bunch of you're no more hurt by someone calling you white than someone is it might hurt you in the moment you might feel like you're being degraded or you're being looked down upon was a knockout game was that R all I can think of right

Northynow episode where she can't get that employment like she can't get that employ I mean I want I would like this this question answer what does The Knockout to your statement that so there

Andrew Wilsonwas a a group of young men um young black men who were running around and they were knocking unconscious older white people for fun for fun that sounds

Andrew Wilsonlike a boomer Facebook urban legend no no no that it's not can show you video after video after video It's called knockout games not a joke we're not going to pull up they were purp like solely white people let's

Arya Rileyassume for a second I'm not I'm I'm telling you the truth cuz I am would that be racist can you answer that question were they solely attacking white people or will they attack M only white people correct hold on we're

Brian Atlasgetting off topic here okay um bringing it back to you I the video that we're reacting to is kind of very secondary to the conversation I'm actually trying to have so you were kind of upset that your

Brian Atlasfriend went on the podcast and she said the things that she said and I was actually very gracious to her despite what she said um and she got a bit of uh

Brian Atlaspush back blowback from it uh you you don't take any quarrel with how she conducted herself um I think you're a grown man

Lucetalking to younger women and I think um we've been socialized in such a different way where certain things are considered funny in Media or a more casual way to discuss something that's a

Lucereally hard topic for her and a really hard topic for um non-white people in general can you answer the question cuz you're kind of you're deflecting a little bit living

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)underscore donated $200 sorry Brian very simple Prejudice based on RAC is racism prejudice against any race is racism you can say it's not

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)as bad since it's towards white people people but that doesn't mean it's not racist but even if we were to Grant to the chatter that being Prejudice is not

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)the same thing as being racist if there's if they're morally equivalent then who gives a [ __ ] it's still it's still just as bad Jack donated $200 racism is literally Prejudice based

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)on skin color words have [ __ ] meanings her assuming Brian's worldview and dismissing his points based solely on his skin color is lit racism and I'm

Luceblah well put Dave on Jackson I just I'm I'm not really sure what response you're looking for I think I was trying to respond in the sense of

LuceI just didn't like that um I think I've always wanted to come on a podcast like this and discuss different point of views and I think I've been really respectful this entire time I haven't

Lucesaid anything derogatory to you about your opinions um and I just personally didn't like that when she was sharing her opinions she was faced with um

Lucederogatory messages and kind of like the promotion of that I believe um and I was not necessarily blaming you or your platform but rather just the consumption

Luceof media and how there's often a lot of derogatory content and hypercritical content when um she was just expressing her experience in her own way and I

Lucethink you know if you've had those certain experience es which obviously I am white and I haven't had those experiences um and that was the way that she handled it or interpreted

Luceit I think that that is valid in its own regard yeah I mean but why that was a lot of words salid but okay yeah like why why so just yeah but hear me out I'm being super respectful to you and then your response is oh that was a lot of

Brian Atlaswords well you're kind of dancing around the question I'm not I'm tell I I asked you do you agree that her conduct was you take no quarrel with her conduct I think I have received the same level of

Lucekind of aggressive um outspoken attitude towards me already from specifically um Andrew yeah he disagrees

Andrew Wilsonwith you um which is totally fine to disagree with me super nice what do you mean anyways oh would you like to see me mean no no I mean you're welcome I I can

Lucetake it like I don't mind I'm just saying I think I I don't know what you want me to say I feel like I've given you my perspective ask question what if it was

Lucethe other way around what if he spoke to her the way she spoke to him um I didn't happen so I'm but I'm just saying what if what if hypothe question I think

Lucethere is a more historical well I'm just saying in that moment though not yeah no I'm saying context matters though so I think because there is a more historical

Lucediscrepancy of white people treating black people people wrongly um it would hold more value of him being derogatory towards her talking to him I'm not saying whether or not it's Justified I'm

Lucesaying it would be very different and incomparable because if he would say that he would be cancelled but like since I mean she was hated on and also cancelled so what she did was wrong I I'm just saying mean how do you know she

Andrew Wilsonwas cancelled what she I don't know she was experiencing a lot of hate for it I I yeah you totally made that up she wasn't cancelled that's insanity I I mean I don't really know what cancelled

Andrew Wilsonor not cancelled then why did you say it canel in the sense of receiving hate for it and we're talking about it canel is

Andrew Wilsondeplatform thrown off you deerson debanked dehum that's cancelled okay all right here's another question well I mean you say okay dismissively but you know that this happens to conservatives a lot they get deplatformed they get

Andrew Wilsontheir bank accounts Frozen they get completely thrown off of all of these platforms and while while the left cheers and I think that in this situation had Brian spoken to her the same exact way that she spoke to him that is exactly what would have happened

Luceto him and it seems like a double standard that's what he's pointing to and he just wants you to address it I like I said this was this was over a year ago and I hadn't experienced the

Lucefull context of this in over we just pulled up the video yeah and I and I told you very objectively that that was my feelings towards it during the time I I didn't like that you know as a young

Brian Atlasgirl she was received a lot of online hate was my problem with it okay well here look let me ask a couple questions U going around the

Brian Atlastable do you think that you can be racist towards white people I think you

Lucecan not institutionally no but I think socially of course anyone can be racist to anyone if it's being derogatory

Lucetowards certain skin color but I think the important aspects of racism such as institutionalized racism I do not believe white people experience that

Brian Atlasno so if people are deprioritized in uh job selection or college applications women benefit the most from from a lot of those selections

LuceI I I don't know the statistics of it I'm just you ask my opinion my answer is affirmative action affirmative action most benefits white people actually and de benefits the most wait affirmative

Brian Atlashold on affirmative action benefits white people the most white women specifically yes there was a huge Harvard trial on it actually no you're talking hold on are you talking about like when it came to the for

Brian Atlasasian-americans collegate affirmative action is that well specifically I think with Harvard it was the case that asian-americans had to score way higher than white people black people Latino

Lucepeople Native Americans it had to do with asian-americans yeah which was unfair but white women women were benefiting the most from collegate affirmative action yes you can look up the statistics right now just just they

Brian Atlaswere receiving the most um admissions due to affirmative I mean you can just Google it right now that's fine but so can you so you just to be clear your point is wait Nick just okay you got it

Brian Atlasuh so can you be racist towards white people institutionally no not institutionally I think you know there couldn't there couldn't be a policy that would ever racist towards white people

Luceis that what you're saying that's hypothetical I'm saying in our American institution no what's um and what would those institutions be um the fact that

Andrew Wilsonwe weren't enslaved people the fact that we have had countless instances of demolishing black in fact white people were enslaved at various points in

Andrew Wilsonhistory actually most majority of them were indentured servitude which is still that's not true you had the show so listen do you know what the order of Mark and reprisal was this was in order

Andrew Wilsonto stop uh white people from literally being kidnapped put on ships and then they were taken away by the Arab slave Traders Thomas Jefferson put an end to that we don't know how many tens of

Andrew Wilsonthousands of white people were enslaved during that time nor in the previous Century we have no idea it is true in recent history you can point to blacks being enslaved in the United States but there's not currently a single black

Luceperson alive today that I'm aware of that experience slavery okay so you asked but my question is um you ask my opinion I say no and then you go to rebuttal it's okay to have a different

Luceopinion from me it's also okay for me to rebut your opinion yeah yeah sure but I my opinion stay strong I don't think we experienced aftert RAC is offered to you towards everyone every different racial group in

Brian Atlasfront of me except for white people in my personal experience wait but you just said that you can't be racist towards white people that's what I yeah I'm saying I have witnessed well by your definition every minority group you're

Brian Atlasyou're bending the def the definition to preclude you from even being able to see racism against white people why You just defined it the way you defined it why against white people I'm saying in

Lucegeneral racism I have witnessed in my life was her calling me a white boy racist I mean I not not in the sense that I I find racism to be okay let me

Brian Atlasask you a question if I were to wa wait wait wait if if I were second okay all right is race a social construction

Andrew Wilsonyes there's no biological it's just a social construct right yes it does not exist as a physical reality correct correct okay so that's going to set the

Brian Atlasframing for what Brian's about to say go ahead Brian okay so she called me a white boy if I had called her like if I dismissed her opinion or her

Brian Atlasdisagreement or her thought by saying that she's a black woman black girl would that be racist yes because of the social implication but is it not a

Lucefact I mean if you you say it as a statement and an objective truth oh you are a black woman perhaps not but if you're saying it in a derogatory sense was she saying so how is it not

Lucederogatory towards him I I'm I agree it's maybe derogatory but I think it's a de variation of um of generational humor and coping with

Andrew Wilsonsuch topics I don't think she said it I think intent is everything there for sure I don't I don't even understand though if race is just a social construction which is exactly what you just said it was then

Andrew Wilsonanybody who brings up race in a negative light for the purpose of demonstrating that it's not a social construction how are they not uh introducing a some sort of prejudicial bias or

Andrew Wilsonracism I I don't understand the question that didn't make any sense yes it does make sense it's a social construction correct so if nobody talked about the social construction anymore wouldn't it go away no because it's a social

Andrew Wilsonconstruction doesn't mean it's not a social reality like it is a construction wait wait social reality is only a product of the mind so if nobody ever talks about what is a social reality the social reality goes away it's not a product of the mind that's not what a

Andrew Wilsonconstruct is oh no social construct definitionally is a product of the Mind really can you point to a a physical social construction money money is a

Andrew Wilsonmoney no no no no no you're pointing to paper as the physical reality money is the social construction which the paper is money itself is just paper is that true or false it is just that's the

Andrew Wilsonthing money is a phys money is a social construct does not exist except as a product of what so if we ignore money

Andrew Wilsonit'll question don't don't run question it only exists as a product of what the Mind Right money only exists as a I disagree with that I disagree with

Andrew Wilsonthat it doesn't so if everybody decided tomorrow that the $20 bill inside of your wallet was worth zero what would it be worth it would be worth zero but that's it would be worth zero because it's a product of the mind it's value is

Northya product of the mind it's socially constructed not exist in material reality that houses were useless and we went back and lived in C I mean it's just a houses are not social constructions they're material reality

Andrew Wilsonyou can see them touch them taste them walk into them those are real things not socially constructed my point that you did not let me finish was that race is a social construction but it does not mean

Nicoleit's not a social reality and people feel and experience material reality effects of such a social construction so just that's right if they do I agree but I've have already agreed with this I

Andrew Wilsonagree that if you have a social construction and everybody lives as those the social construction is true you do have to experience the effects socially of the social construction so for instance uh we could socially construct that your head was or hair was

Andrew Wilsonred right now and everybody could believe it even though it was not an objective reality they would still treat you like you were a red head right yes okay but that would be false you would not be a redhe head but they would still

Andrew Wilsontreat you as though you were but assuming everybody dismissed this social construction of anybody having red hair how would it exist in material real reality be blonde I mean it it doesn't

Nicolethat doesn't matter because oh no it matters it doesn't matter to this question at all because it does matter it matters big time no because what we're asking is if the roles were

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)reversed would that be as bad grid One Motorsports donated $200 wow just wow nothing dollar Tre

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)Blondie has said has been accurate at all please stop talking and listen to the man speaking and you will learn something as God intended okay anyways good one so we're

Nicoleasking if the rules were reversed would it be as bad that is dealing with reality that's dealing with the real world we're not dealing with like well hang on I'll rebut this okay

Andrew Wilsonso it's not though what it's dealing with is in non-reality because you believe that race is a social construction that affects material reality yes it's not a material reality

Nicoleso therefore nobody ever talked about race again how could it be a material reality it is I mean if no one ever talked about it again it wouldn't be sure but so then by her talking about it

Andrew Wilsonby this woman talking about it and bringing race up and pointing out Brian's race she's talking about it right bringing it into material reality from your worldview and she's pointing it out for what reason she's not the one

Nicoledoing it that's the thing we are all you can't divorce everyone from the context of material reality no one is doing anything or saying anything in V I'm not divorcing anybody from the are you're divorcing her from from the context of

Nicoleher reality that from your perspective it is not a material reality I've already stated my my perspective is that it is a material reality it is based on a social construct oh so it's not a

Nicolesocial construction then it's a physical reality I have stated the what what I think about that multiple times and you are misinterpreting it race is a social construction that has created the m

Andrew Wilsonmaterial reality that we live in that's I agree with all I think I heard you just fine I'll Ste man back to make sure that I have it correct you ready I'll steal man it back you just say if I got

Nicoleit right or not okay social social constructions if you act as though they are real can have real effects material reality not just not just if you act as if they are real they are real you can't

Andrew Wilsonin the blink of an eye make them not real okay now I in your like hypothetical world that's not what I said one more time let me man the position social constructions are not

Andrew Wilsonreal they're products of the mind yes or no they're not just products of the mind no they're not okay so then can you point one out to me can I point out a social construct

Nicoleyes in a material reality that's not a product of the mind I well the way that race affects people materially like hate crimes I mean that's a material real race itself is race itself a social

Nicoleconstruction yes I've stated that multiple times so then it's not anything other than a product of the mind yes or no no I mean I've already said what I said if you don't understand the connection that I'm making there that's on you I don't understand so so let's

Andrew Wilsontry I'm just going to try one more time I want to make sure I got this right mhm do you believe that social constructions exist in material reality or they're only products of the mind they exist in

Andrew Wilsonmaterial reality they exist in material reality okay can you point to one that exists in actual material reality then race

Nicoleokay so then race is not a social construction then you just get this I feel like we're wasting time because you just don't understand it's not we're not you don't understand right if product of

Andrew Wilsonthe mind if if it's only a product of the mind and you say race is a social construction therefore it's a product of the mind then that means it can't exist in material reality it doesn't exist

Andrew Wilsonabsent the mind that's just not true though products products of the mind can have an effect on material reality I didn't say products of the mind can't

Andrew Wilsonaffect material reality said they don't actually exist in material reality I sure race is not tangible no yeah so it doesn't exist except in the mind right

Nicoleno that's no something can be tangible and exist intangible and exist music exists music is not tangible but no one's denying that it exist music's not a social construction there's sound there's things we can measure it's not

Nicolejust a product of the Mind what are you talking about mus is an example of something that is intangible and yet still exists in our reality it's not intangible what makes it intangible you can't it's not physical you can't I mean

Andrew Wilsonthere are it is physical what are you talking about it's a vibration but in the colloquial sense of word a physical sense that we can measure in material reality is that I'll that music was a

Andrew Wilsonbad example is that the same thing with race I would have to think about that no I would my you have to think about that my immediate response well yeah this is a complicated question I think it's not a complicated question comp material

Andrew Wilsonreality or it does not and it's a social construction it can't be both that's I disagree oh she disagree what is the definition of a social construct

Nicolesomething that is socially agreed upon and constructed via reality I mean think like the census okay so is it is it social construction

Andrew Wilsonitself then no the reality no so then is race a social construction yes I I did not hear the first part of your question okay then then it doesn't exist in material reality so I don't

Brian Atlasknow why you're keeping disagreeing with me here I just I mean because you don't understand what I'm saying go ahead tell it to me again I don't want to just keep repeating myself and having you I'm going I'm going to move on let me read a couple chats but we do have to go around

Brian Atlasthe table on one of these questions once she's back hang Tai uh really quick man clown the panel is a treasure these Wayward and unconstant women are a testament to the Bounty of Western Civilization do they see mon female

Brian Atlasmating practices is predatory of male productivity this this a question you actually want me to pose to the panel um do you see modern female mating practices as predatory of male

Nicoleproductivity anybody quick answers kindly do you mean like going for men of a certain like social status or like material like going after men for money basically is that predatory like this

Northyquestion makes me feel like they are referring to start getting those pulled up Nick so I would say yes I think corn is unhealthy um I think a lot of people don't take it in moderation and it can

Northyruin lives how does that impact your worldview being active on only fans as a Creator I don't do like regular corn on

Northythere I do ASMR and I based stuff um and you know if people are not going to take things in moderation I'm not there to tell people what to do um um I don't think we should be telling anyone what

Brian Atlasto do I do think there should be more resources and help out there for people who need it all right going around the table um just to finish up this answer I please

Brian Atlaslet's not linger on it too long so the question was can you be racist against white people if you want to restate your answer quick and then we'll move on I'm done talking about it I think it's

Kennasubjective on where you are in the world I think it can be racist to any race yes in different ways no can't be racist against white people

Brian Atlasno okay yes yes yeah really just really quick on your answer you say no uh is that worldwide or we speaking in the US I think that's in the institutional

Brian Atlascontext of the US I can I ask you a question yeah if Barack Obama during his presidency refused to hire a white janitor who was in poverty because he was white would that be racist if he did

Nicolethat then yeah like if hypothetically if we started enacting policies in the United States that were subjugating white people that we the most powerful person in the world then yes you could be racist against

Nicolewhite people I think it has to do with the institutional context yeah so you can be racist against white people in a hypothetical in the real world no in the real world what do you mean in the

Nicolehypothetical Obama was in fact president did he what like what discriminatory policies that subjugated white people in in a meaningful way did he enact that are still in effect today and that white people are feeling the effects of today

Brian AtlasI'm giving you a hypothetical exactly and I'm saying in the hypothetical sure you can be racist against white people but you're saying in in the in a hypothetical but a hypothetical it could

Brian Atlasnever manifest itself like racism could never manifest itself like I could give you an example but in actuality in reality racism towards white people would never manifest itself is that what you're saying it's doubt I would have to

Nicolesee it to believe it you think it's very doubtful that racism towards white people can manifest itself in the United yeah I me world go on infinitely maybe at some point but okay here's another

Brian Atlasperhaps a more realistic hypothetical a black business owner refuses to hire a white person because they're white I think that would yeah that would be racial Prejudice I don't think

Nicoleinstitutionally it's not affecting all white people because in my what if it's a major institution I think it would still this person this business I think it would still have to be more than just like an anecdotal singular incident because in

Nicolethe way I think of racism just my definition of it is it's something that's more broad-based it's not an individual thing you like you can be racially prejudiced against a single person and you can use the broader

Nicoleconcept of racism to discriminate against an individual but racism as a concept for me is like that's a widespread institutional thing and is being is being Prejudice more or less immoral than being racist um I don't

Nicolethink moral really factors into it for me I think that it so they're equal sorry so they're equal and bad no no racism I think has much greater implication greater in a negative way

Andrew Wilsonimplications what makes it worse than being Prejudice the the long-term implications of it why would the long-term implications of racism be worse than the long-term implications of prejudice because they're systemic

Andrew Wilsonthey're they they're deeper or prejudices prejudices can be systemic as well and not in the definition I'm working off of now no no even in the definition you're working off of are you saying the definition that you're

Andrew Wilsonworking off of prejudice cannot be systemic really yes oh okay great so then uh you would say then that if a white men oppressed white women would

Nicolethat be racism or Prejudice that would be misogyny or you think did you mean sexism would that be Prejudice it would be I think it would be yeah that would include Prejudice

Andrew Wilsonyeah it could that be systemic well the systemic aspect isog the prejudice the Prejudice no oh so so white so I just want to make sure

Andrew WilsonI get this right so I don't STW me in your position if white men systematically uh were Prejudice towards white women that would not be

Nicolesystemic that would be misogyny and I think yes misogyny is also systemic okay but Prejudice is not systemic no my definition of prejudice would be more of an individual thing so you could as as a

Nicoleresult of systemic misogyny someone could be prejudiced against an individual woman because they've grown up in the context of systemic misogyny they are going to be prejudiced against individual women got it got it so let's

Andrew Wilsonassume for a second then we will work off of this insane definition I'll just grant it to you for the sake of doing it thanks it turns out that you live in a society where they only uh harp on

Andrew Wilsonpeople who have blue eyes that's it it doesn't matter if they're men or women it just so happens that far more women than men have blue eyes in fact almost all of the women do and so the men with

Andrew Wilsonbrown eyes oppress them not because they're women but because they have blue eyes are they being Prejudice towards those women that would be a Prejudice yes but I think that would yes that would be a

Andrew WilsonPrejudice now let's assume that they built institutions in order to stop these blue-eyed women from doing things that they wanted to do would that be systemic Prejudice I mean that would be

Nicoletwo different things the Prejudice is a result the Prejudice is a result of the systemic discrimination the the blueeye bluee ism yeah yeah so that's just Prejudice right yeah but the Prejudice

Andrew Wilsonis on an individual level yeah but no it's towards all people with blue eyes men and women yeah but I mean that's that do you see what I'm saying that most of them are women so could they

Andrew Wilsonsystemically be prejudiced towards all of the people have blue eyes I I just don't think that the word prejudice don't think no no I think that would be they could be systemically misogynist

Andrew Wilsonthey can be systemically any ISM that you want to give but they can't be systemically prejudiced right I mean I think that if you want to like go in

Nicolethat dire yeah I mean systemic discrimination includes Prejudice I'm just saying I don't think the Prejudice so then Prejudice can be systemic right I just don't think that that is the

Andrew Wilsondefinition of prejudice what is the definition of prejudice I would say holding holding a belief about someone it's more in the terms like what you believe like so if a lot of people hold

Andrew Wilsona belief about a lot of other people and it has nothing to do with their race or their sex or anything else would you call that a Prejudice the Prejudice is in the individual though it's not in it's like

Andrew Wilsoneach individual societal I don't understand why couldn't it be societal it's not that it can't I'm just saying that the well then if it can no I'm saying then I don't understand how it's individual I don't get because it it

Nicoleexists within the individual the individuals hold these biases R ISM racism would exist within the individual well yeah I mean I I think so I don't understand how this not systemic both

Nicoleways because I think that that is the key difference between them is racism my definition of racism is how that prejudice manifests on a systemic level Prejudice is the word for the individual

Nicoleinteraction the individual discrimination against someone because of the biases you hold they're interconnected they're related why could that not be systemic though I don't I still you still haven't made an argument for why that couldn't be systemic mean go back and forth forever I've already

Brian Atlasexplained how I feel hold on I do have to read a couple chats here just cuz they're about to fall off one sec guys um well hold on I'll just read it oh uh

Brian Atlaskill of cereal donate 100 oh my god dude oh my God okay 61 180k a year fit 8 in pen has a horrible World Outlook Nega negative attitude in general 52 30k a

Brian Atlasyear chubby 4in pen has a positive outlook ooes confidence in swacker do you pick one or two God neither neither you got to pick one just pick one I would never

Carlyentertain either one yeah no neither two I think you're too far from the mic I I don't know uh

Brian Atlasneither all right Cipher men are only valued if they are useful women are born with inherent value if a woman Works full-time during the key development phases of a child do you think that child will be well adjusted quick answer

Brian Atlasplease uh um yes yes I need to read the question again I'm sorry I read it I'm sorry I

Carlythere's too much coming in yes depends I couldn't I couldn't see the question maybe if you took your glasses off you'd be able to do

Brian Atlasthat um I I don't I don't know I can't answer cool all right um can I just one last question wait I'm sorry let me just read this please okay fair enough fair enough Isaac L loose has completely

Brian Atlasbombed in her femin feminist ramblings and we're all cracking up in the chat now she's feeling awkward and put her Jersey back on and them shoulders aren't so high Andrew Bas says Bas AF sounds like he wants to see your shoulders yeah sounds like you want to see my shoulders

Brian Atlasbro I don't know there you have it Isaac reverse psychologist Andrew you're you wanted to come in really quick on something I've got a lot of ch um let's uh let us assume for a second that there

Andrew Wilsonhappened to be a religion which was out there that was being discriminated against via people being prejudiced towards the specific religion Let's uh

Andrew Wilsonlet's say it's a middle eastern area where this religion is being kind of systemically oppressed would you say that would I mean would you say that a

Nicolereligion could be systemically oppressed a religion yeah it happens and would would that be a form of prejudice or do you have a different name for that too I just they're different concepts Prejudice I've already explained I

Andrew Wilsonhonestly no I'm just I just want to know that the answer to this one question can a religion be oppressed and is that prejudice and can it be systemic people who follow a

Andrew Wilsoncertain religion can be oppressed because of their religion and people can also be prejudiced against people of certain religion yes no no but if people are all prejudiced towards that certain religion do you have a different name

Nicolefor it besides Prejudice on yes cuz on the systemic level I think that would be like that would be discrimination that would be I don't know if there's a word but if they're not discriminating they just don't like them they're in two different nations totally they they're not

Andrew Wilsondiscriminating them at all hate them then that would just be Prejudice and it wouldn't be systemic and could it be system why wouldn't it be systemic if all your systems of government were aligned to hate these

Andrew Wilsonpeople like I can think of some a conflict going on right now we could apply this to well then that would be discrimination how what's discriminatory they're not discriminating they're just hating them

Nicoleall all the systems of government are aligned against them and it's not discrimination I don't think I don't think that's possible I'm sorry I don't think that's possible it's not it's not possible no I don't I don't think you

Brian Atlascan have all the systems of government aligned against a certain group and have it not be discrimin moving on thank you okay all right Cipher white males they are naturally classed as racist because of their SK skin color uh guilty and

Brian Atlastill proven innocent hey thank you man appreciate it cool uh let's see uh hold on okay let me pull up I'm going to go to the Super chats over here really quick yo Brian Johnson is officially the

Brian Atlasbest Spell Brian there is I'd like to say I appreciate both you and Andrew for pushing back the world is turning to [ __ ] uh yeah the the optimal spelling of Brian with is with an I thank you man appreciate it pgic 100 never seen

Brian Atlassomeone say so much while saying absolutely nothing at the same time thank you really appreciate your uh super chats guys appreciate it thank you thank you for the ttss also and the uh streamlabs ones complex next one uh

Brian Atlasprejudice is negative judgment without Merit or evidence racism takes Prejudice and empowers it with the ability to negatively affect the person due to whatever the Prejudice is as a black man

Brian Atlasblack people can be racist against white people under said criteria uh complex one thank you man appreciate your uh message there we'll get to the I think that's the last one there and then there's so many coming in uh sorry guys

Brian Atlasthat we're kind of just trying to get through these as quickly as possible I need to be considerate of the panel but also the people that are contributing um yeah yeah uh hide it okay Brian where did you get this little prepubescent Bo

Brian Atlasthe yellow tank top looks like whoa what the [ __ ] looks like he'd have the tattoo no regrets on the chest shut STFU and listen to Andrew he clearly knows more than you do you want to respond to that um it's valid I do have small

Brian Atlasboobs thank you for pointing out all right okay there you go um I'll I'll get to the rest of the other ones really quick Nick can you pull up the Discord that Elon uh Elon Musk image that we have do you know where to find it um I

Brian Atlasdon't know where to find it it's in the wall of whatever okay just pull it up it's related to this I'll try to move on um try can you get it fast quick all right this is related to

Brian Atlasbecause someone mentioned slavery I don't know this is uh Elon Musk over there on Twitter reacting to one of our Clips the literal origin of the word slave refers to white slaves so kind of

Brian Atlasrelated to our conversation about slavery and white people uh Elon Musk reacting to a clip there because this conversation has come up before

Brian Atlasum wait let's see okay we got the Elon thing out of the way uh we'll come do we we'll come to that later so okay where do

LuceI should I think we should pull up the original Instagram DMS that we had between you and me I would not to oh it doesn't reveal anything it's not about

Lucerevealing I just I mean I I think what I mean okay no it's good it's not bad no I I I don't think it's bad I just I just think generally a lot of

Lucethese conversations even if you look in the chat like are centered around maybe a more misogynistic perspective such as just calling her a little boy like a random chatter calling her a little boy

Luceit's like obviously coming from a place of misogyny which is how I felt at the time when I not responsible for what the chat says so I'm not blaming you currently like I'm just saying I think

Andrew Wilsonthat just ask say you judge us on how we treat you that seems fair I mean

Andrew Wilsonyeah uh I mean yeah see that's treating someone in a rude manner that is treating someone without think that you being dismissive and me being dismissive

Luceof you being dismissive is back exactly what you just gave me it was was that dismissive it wasn't I I did not feel like that was dismissive personally I'm sorry um yeah what is that I don't think

LuceI said now you moing me but now you are mocking me she didn't have there's things that you can say that deserve to be mocked all right make it bigger please so I can maybe we can

Lucehave loose read it okay sure I mean now I'm just going to get bombarded with people trying to like dox me and attack me no one's going to do being woman no one's just do you want to just read it okay I would love to because I believe I

Lucecould actually have a productive conversation despite the tacky appearance of the podcast however I value my privacy too much and would not want to be public in that way and will therefore decline say what you will

Luceabout women in the criticisms of the age of new woman but the reality is your entire production is founded on the exploitation and profitability of young women women of color and trying to downplay the women experience but you're

Luceliving proof of that hypocrisy it's the over hypers sexualization of women that you are also critical of while profiting off of such as promoting only fans while also criticizing only fans um I've watched a few of your clips and it seems

Lucemajority of your responses are IR relevant to debate questions or specifically targeting uh a certain type of woman in order to make women overall appear uneducated and that is coming from a fairly temper minded individual

Lucewho has been exposed to many political ideologies and who does not participate in something like only fans not that there's anything wrong with it but Etc I hope you at least acknowledge that the profitability of your work is is no more

Lucedignified than any women's means of career um I'm just saying that there was nothing to debate that it was objective um so this show is objectively

Luceexploitative I I think so for sure you're exploiting based off of women's opinions and objectifying women and feeding into the incel objectifying okay I mean it's kind of the incel mindset

Lucewhat's the incel mindset well a lot of podcast consumption I'm sure there are so many Sor before I ask you questions we'll just finish reading it oh sorry um of a person or considering their

Lucejudgment not influenced by personal feelings or opinion considering and representing facts since it's a fact that you exploit aspects of sex work as clickbait and profit off of making a fool of women based on two facts not

Luceinfluenced by my personal opinion since you have no opin no notion of my beliefs of sex work or otherwise I would argue conclusively that that is objective I see like clickbait clips of girls like bouncing or like zooming in on certain

Lucethings I mean like I said this was over a year ago and I'm sure your content has changed and evolved since then but I would argue that a lot of the stuff that you're hypercritical of is the same reason why your platform is so

Andrew Wilsonprofitable so you you mean because there's only fans girls that come on the show I feel like you just didn't listen to anything that I just said in that Cas it's literally pulled it's pulled up there I listen to everything that you

Andrew Wilsonjust said and I I don't know if you know this or not but I actually take notes as we go if you don't mind I can I I'll try to get steel man your position back to you you believe that it's profitable for

Andrew WilsonBrian to bring on women because it's pandering to a certain subset of an audience that wants to watch women be humiliated and treated like garbage and you believe that that's a profitable

Andrew Wilsonbusiness model did I get that roughly correct I'm paraphrasing of course correct what's that correct sorry I'm sorry you got to speak right

Andrew Wilsoninto the mic correct correct okay thank you yeah yeah no no problem just understand I'm remote so I can't hear you unless your mouth is close to the mic so to respond to this then why do

Lucethey come on um I think they come on for I'm sure everyone has all sorts of different reasons what do you think those reasons

Luceare um to promote um maybe their social media platforms and try to profit them I'm not saying that women can't profit from this type of work just stick with

Lucethe question why do you think that come on um I think they come on for either money um

Luceattention um uh to make a stand to have discussions I think to show off either their work or their opinions um oh it's

Andrew Wilsona very strange criticism that a bunch of misogynist incel lunatics are allowing women to come on to give their opinion on various topics and subjects while the women profit from this

Andrew Wilsonstrange that the criticism hang on I'm almost done that the criticism is that this is all to Plate these incels who are exploit wait Andrew your audio is

Lucecutting out Andrew your audio is cutting cut out I just want to clarify I did I did not use that language um can I just ask is everybody else just exhausted from

Isabelle Brownthis like I I personally just don't think any of this is productive in for and try to change the horrible what you call it hellish dating hcap at the beginning of this podcast like sure we

Andrew Wilsoncan keep arguing until the cows come home about literally you guys hear me still yeah I'd like to finish my conversation here though so um back to this I I would like to understand how it is that you just make a complete and

Andrew Wilsontotal mockery say that this is an incel podcast it's pandering to a bunch of misogynists who are trying to exploit women for their own personal benefit and then when I ask you why is it that the women come on you say it's because they

Lucewant to exploit all of these incel men that's actually what your argument is that's also just I I just I I completely agree with you like I agreed to come on this podcast today because it was

Lucecatered on a non-political aspect of dating life um when in the past the past panel that I was asked to join was actually discussing only fans and corn

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)donated $200 I didn't know you were an of model you did a great job of allowing yourself to be made a fool of including by

Luceyourself I've never done o who the O model yeah I think so but I've never done that I've never done corn um and that was the podcast that I was responding if it's nonpolitical and that was what your take was that this was

Lucetotally nonpolitical there's no political takes whatsoever why did you send that DM I didn't okay that was over a year ago and I was asked to be on a

Lucepodcast about the corn industry and O was discussions around that and it was a clip I had just seen okay go back to the

Brian Atlasthe podcast that you wereing people to appear on like a specific episode we send out like a shotgun approach we'll just blast out invitations also a lot of people reach out got to get a new mic

Brian Atlashold on uh people will reach out to us too to be on the show yeah for example we do Outreach but we all again people you ask

Brian Atlasto be on the show correct yes you asked to be on the show correct yeah you asked to be on the show correct you asked to be on the show correct so I don't know what the exact break breakdown is let's

Brian Atlasjust say it's 50/50 50% of people request to be on the show 50% of the people we do Outreach invite them on the show MH so yeah I just I don't really

Brian Atlasunderstand what the basis of the question is even asking me at that you've made some very strong accusations that the podcast is EXP exploitative I I think that a lot of

Lucesocial media is exploitative I mean in its entirety are you being exploited right now no I had full autonomy to be here me personally I don't feel exploited I do think to some

Lucecapacity just those other dumb women though okay absolutely not what I mean right so then what's your complaint guys this was a year ago why

Luceare you arguing with me about has your opinion changed I'm here obviously I was willing to have like these I just I think it's like I don't think your

Lucepeople are being exploited in the sense of maybe shutting down conversations or speaking over our actual opinions like in my opinion I do think a lot of podcasts are centralized around female

Luceexploitation there's a reason why you have predominantly female guests instead of male guests um that's the format of the show yeah why it's interest because it's interesting to hear for the same reason that you'll see women create safe

Andrew Wilsonspace shows will they'll only have one guest and maybe five women like let's see the view is the view being discriminatory and exploitative of men because five women get to give their opinions all day long while the men have

Andrew Wilsonto basically suffer through all that nonsense suffer through all that nonsense that just showed to me your perspective answer my question is it okay women have the view and only have

Andrew Wilsonmen on is that for them to plate a bunch of harlots and skanks like you called this chat a bunch of incels

NicoleI mean okay we don't have to say exploitative but you cannot deny that you are financially benefiting from only fans girls you hold on how many only fans girls are on the panel right now shove hands two shove no raise your

Brian Atlashands high kindly hi yeah but every single okay everybody else on the panel is not on only fans so what's your argument well you intentionally and actually you two have been talking the most and you guys don't have only fans

Nicolebut go ahead no I know but you do financially benefit from sex workers only fans girls things like that being on the show they're the main draw just no they're not okay oh

Andrew Wilsonwait for a second I'll let you have that one and it was the main draw of the show to allow sex workers to come on so that their ideology and the things that they're doing could be Tangled with are

Nicoleyou saying that sex workers are too stupid to defend their own ideology absolutely not I didn't say anything about that okay great then what is the problem I didn't say there was a problem I said he's he's financially benefiting

Nicolefrom the exact thing that he's critiquing and that's fine I mean like people are coming on here for money as well I think that that's fine it's it's a reciprocal relationship but the whole like the world is going to [ __ ] oh women

Andrew Wilsonare Wayward I mean you're making money you're getting thousand they're being exploited oh it's terrible they have Noy when I on say no they absolutely have autonomy but the

Andrew Wilsonincels are trying to exploit them while we're exploiting the incels Saylo when did I say it was exploitative she did you might have you seem to be defending it she did and the thing is is like you

Andrew Wilsondid agree with it you piggyback off of the argument and you literally started with there's no doubt that you're profiting off of these girls that seems like AR they're saying it's exploitative

Northybecause women will come on here and try and voice their opinion and just in my experience and observation of the show we get talked over quite a lot and we don't really get to say what we want to there's no probing questions don't really ask each other probing questions

Nicolethere's not really like a discussion for understanding of each other here right did anybody did anybody overt talk you you a lot you m times did anybody over

Andrew Wilsontalk you right now when you gave that whole Spiel wow okay it didn't happen one time so it never happened yeah well the thing is is that there's one of me and there's how many of you and in order

Andrew Wilsonfor us to keep a show a format intact we have to move Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam so I'm going to have to cut in from time to time uh or otherwise I can't get my points

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)in $200 women like Blondie hate whatever because it shows the world how stupid women are society says they're better

Isabelle Brownthan men that's the kind at everything simps waking up to Chad reality my point again I I just don't think any of this is really productive I like the fact that we have a very fast moving sorry that's a meta conversation I'm sorry

Brian Atlaslook I I got to read a couple of these chats cuz they're about to fall off uh um hold on sorry some of these might have felt race is Real Sports diseases bone structure ism is the game duped

Brian Atlasinto demonizing pattern recognition for FS why women are 4% of the world's population you're actually the minority okay dbe thank you man appreciate it I'm going to just get caught up how many

Brian Atlaswhat is rub is that rubles like Russian rubles rub I don't know I think so what uh I'll have to figure that out uh David

Brian AtlasAC I've been at the counter of black barbecue place and told my favorite ribs were not available but the lady behind them got them I don't care brush my

Brian Atlasshoulder because of the history of black what what okay okay um and

Brian Atlasthen he wait he he sent it again was told best ribs at a barbecue place they were out and Lady behind me got them he's really mad about those I brushed it off because I understand the old black

Brian Atlaslady experienced racism at counter or she put in an order for pickup either or okay uh we have sleepy bear here we

Brian Atlasare living through a racist time right now in history to say you cannot be racist towards a race based on SK skin color is a purely racist statement if you say that you are the racist okay hold on let me just check rubles is that

Brian AtlasRussian that is Russian yes rub rubbe 200 to USD that's not very much money that's to uh just to heads up guys through streamlabs if you want it red or

Brian Atlaseven through TTS uh it has to be in USD it has to be in USD so um I think we're caught up there on those uh hold on guys

Brian Atlasuh like subscribe one sec hit that notification Bell actually speaking of which guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)follow in the prime sub if you have one twitch.tv/ whatever [ __ ] Energy donated $200 these bad faith 304s can't stop

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)[ __ ] capping get the [ __ ] up out of here there's a guy named Abdul that would play this [ __ ] game with them

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)# get the Rocks # Castle time # exploit D nut stum ises can I ask what a 304 is area cod I think it's an area code or

Lucesomething I don't know I'm confused too loose loose oh loose yeah but like whose side is he on I'm very confused no he's saying exploit I I just I'm whatever it

Brian Atlasdoesn't matter let's move hold on uh and I think you were also making some statements I don't know to who if it was to my people like behind the scenes or whatever you also think that the podcast is misogynistic um yes that is my opinion

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)and it's okay if you disagree okay well first oh my God [ __ ] kill of seral donated $200 aren't you here on your own accord

TTS/Andrew Wilson (alt segment)didn't you get rules before show so you don't feel exploited but want to use the podcast to exploit your opinions about how all men bad while disrespecting

Lucerules personally I love men I yeah I I I some some of my closest you know like I love I love having male relationships and I think that I I just I think that

Lucethere's a heavy discrepancy of me having one single opinion of something and then you guys telling me I have a hundred other opinions when you don't know how I feel say is there's an overemphasis on

Isabelle Browntrying to just generally in the social media space today stir up Division and anger and own the other people look I I saw a chat come through earlier today I just feel like the world is going to [ __ ] I think we can look at the world like that there's a whole lot of

Isabelle Brownnegative that we could be focusing on in terms of just how empty our world has become largely because of the lies of culture that have been allowed to thrive and that division that's been allowed to thrive but what I love about this podcast with my own experience that I've

Isabelle Brownbeen here about a year ago and I wrote about this in my book is that we did have those probing conversations and those probing questions even tonight in the midst of all of this crazy Division I saw so many positive things being said around the table today that you love men

Isabelle Brownthat we think men have it really difficult in society today and we need to address that problem that you want to get married that you want to have kids uh that you think modern feminism has become very problematic and you don't subscribe to that ideology those are

Isabelle Browndramatically unifying countercultural things for Our Generation we can of course focus on all of the crazy chats that come through and all the negativity and all of that but I feel really hopeful about this conversation because

Isabelle Browneven though we're all dramatically different people I'm watching a big group of young Americans from across every aspect of the cultural and political Spectrum basically give a middle finger to American culture today

Isabelle Brownand say we don't want to keep living like this and that's powerful so you can choose to say the world is going to [ __ ] and focus on that or you can wake up and realize there are so many people waking up to the realities of the lives of culture that we're living in and we can

Andrew Wilsonwork together to create a more productive system moving forward how in the world is that what you see have these leftist these leftist women

Andrew Wilsongoing hang over just regular terms and phrases they're going absolutely ape [ __ ] this one starts by saying it's a bunch of misogynist incels who are supporting the show then has to back on

Isabelle Brownit one doesn't know what a social construction is why are you blowing smoke up these women's asses I'm not blowing smoke up anybody to be honest with you Andrew but I I am a big believer that the culture of social media that's existed for a long time I

Isabelle Browndo this as a political and religious and cultural content creator for a living so I get the controversy it's very tempting to do the own the libs thing and go viral for 5 seconds on Twitter but how

Andrew Wilsonmuch is that actually productive in winning a culture war in winning a culture war in our country these are not your friends these women would shame you

Andrew Wilsonoff of a campus in 5 seconds they would you destroy your life in 5 seconds they don't give a [ __ ] about I have a wait wait I've got something here I've got something here Isabelle are you Pro

Isabelle Brownlifee or pro-choice I am very proudly pro-life womb to tomb baby does anybody have a major problem with all I can respect your opinion but you disagree with her IDE ideologically to respect

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