BEAVO SIMP! COPS CALLED! Strumpet REFUSES To Leave?! TRESPASSED AND KICKED OUT?! | Dating Talk #163

Date: 2024-05-22

Duration: 7h 09m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSaia Bella (DT163)>

BBrandon Beus (DT163)>

MMonae (DT163)>

GGraci Monata (DT163)>

CCinderella (DT163)>

JJelle (DT163)>

MMichaela (DT163)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brandon 'Bivo' Beus(guest)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_03Saia Bella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cindy Zang(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cinderella(guest)

SPEAKER_06Monae(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Graci Monata(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jelle(guest)

SPEAKER_14Michaela(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions begin. Cindy Zang (returning) introduces herself first, followed by Saia Bella, Brandon/Bivo (open relationship couple from Manchester), Monae, Graci, Alex, Cinderella, Jelle, and Michaela.

“hi guys my name is Cindy Zang I am 24 years old I live in Los Angeles and I am a only fans model”

OtherBrandon 'Bivo' Beus introduces himself and explains open relationship dynamic: both partners, always together, all for content, partners are pre-tested. Defines himself as atheist ('God is money'). Previously only monogamous.

“beus known as bivo um I do Tik Tok I'm from Manchester and I'm hlag”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible debate channel. Joins remotely after being late due to family emergency.

“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible fastest growing debate channel on the internet I'm a political saturnist”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Cindy Zang on her claim that God wants her to do OnlyFans and Satan would want her to stop. Asks if God told her to do gang bangs. Cindy says she would sell her soul to the devil for $12M/year. Andrew challenges the logical consistency of her Christian identity.

“does God want you to stick a dick in your mouth is that what God wants you to do”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues all sex work (stripping, OnlyFans) constitutes prostitution by definition — selling sexual favors for money. Panel extensively debates this. Saia argues intent distinguishes strippers from prostitutes.

“I just was curious how it would not be prostitution if a guy paid you money to grind on his penis in order to make it hard”

OtherSelf-rating round begins. Brian asks panel to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Cindy: 10+. Saia: 10+. Alex: 10. Cinderella: 7-8. Michaela: 10.

“Cindy what do you rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10 go ahead I'm 10 and above period”

OtherBrian gives his ratings: Cindy=6, Saia=5, Bivo=10, Monae=6.5. Two additional lower ratings (~4 and ~5) given to other guests (unclear assignment). Bivo called 'the only 10 at the table' by Brian.

“so Cindy I give you uh give you a six uh sopia give you five BVO 10 nothing”

ControversyCindy Zang disrupts show by grabbing and spinning propeller hat, then bumping camera equipment. Brian formally trespasses her at ~3:57:26. Cindy refuses to leave for several minutes. Andrew and Bivo both tell her to go. Brian threatens to forcibly remove her. Eventually she leaves. Show title references this as 'Strumpet REFUSES To Leave / TRESPASSED AND KICKED OUT'.

“your permission to be here has been revoked kindly get up and leave”

QuoteBrian formally trespasses Cindy Zang: 'Your permission to be here has been revoked.'

“look now I'm trespassing you your permission to be here has been revoked”

Key MomentBrian reveals he has been watching Orthodox Christianity YouTube videos and finds the history/lore fascinating. Andrew Wilson says his viewers are in tears. Andrew invites Brian to attend one liturgy with Rachel Wilson next visit.

“if I ever become religious I think I I would become Orthodox”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Cindy Zang returns. Saia Bella and Brandon Bivo arrive from Manchester in open relationship. Bivo explains open relationship dynamic (both partners, together only, for content). Michaela reveals she is moving to Alabama to pay off student loans.

Open relationship / modern dating dynamics

Brian probes Bivo and Saia's open relationship: logistics, jealousy, STI testing. Bivo says all partners are pre-planned, tested, and for content. Discussion of monogamy vs open relationships and motivations.

Cindy Zang: Christian OnlyFans creator debate

Extended discussion with Cindy on reconciling Christian identity with OnlyFans. Cindy argues God wants her to do it; Satan would want her to stop. Cross necklace / fake tattoo backstory. Brian notes Cindy's Instagram bio says 'God first' above OnlyFans link. Panel challenges Cindy on justification logic.

Worst thing said during sex / weird dating stories

Round-table: worst thing said to you during sex or on a date. Saia was called 'Abby' (another woman's name). Bivo was called 'Bivo' by a fan. Graci had guy who got insecure when she laughed during sex. Alex told story of 6'6" date who ate shrimp messily and tried to kiss her after. Brian shared story of girl who wanted cat role play. Graci shared story about girl who wanted to be punched in the face.

Body count round

Michaela asks panel for body counts. Bivo: below 20. Saia: less than 30 / double digits. Cinderella: declined. Alex confirmed virgin (0). Others declined or minimal sharing.

Andrew Wilson joins: OnlyFans, Christianity, and prostitution definitions

Andrew Wilson calls in remotely. Debates Cindy Zang's Christian/OnlyFans logic. Asks if God told her to do gang bangs. Challenges definition of prostitution — argues all sex work (stripping, OnlyFans) = prostitution by intent. Panel debates this distinction at length. Sophia (Saia) argues misogynistic men target OnlyFans women.

Self-rating round and Brian's ratings

Brian asks each guest to rate their own looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Cindy: 10+. Saia: 10+. Alex: 10. Cinderella: 7-8. Michaela: 10 (husband says so). Monae: 5. Andrew (phone): 4. Brian then gives his ratings: Cindy=6, Saia=5, Bivo=10, Monae=6.5, and lower ratings for others (4 and 5 mentioned). Discussion on inflated female self-assessments.

Dating marketplace and female overestimation of league

Brian argues many women overestimate their position in the dating marketplace. Explains front-end vs back-end rejection: men get instant rejection if out of league; women get used for sex and then ghosted. Discusses why women often chase top 10% men. Men are salesmen, women are marketers analogy. Social media as women staying on the market even in relationships. Panel debates.

Cindy Zang trespassed and removed from show

Cindy disrupts show: refuses to sit down, grabs propeller hat, spins it, bumps camera equipment while trying to return it. Brian gives her the hat as a last chance to redeem herself; she escalates instead. Brian formally trespasses her at ~3:57:26. Cindy refuses to leave for several minutes, arguing she wasn't trolling. Andrew Wilson and Bivo also tell her to leave. Cindy eventually escorted out.

Body count lying debate

After Cindy's removal, Saia raises point that women feel forced to lie about body count because men judge them for high numbers. Discussion on whether lying is justified, what happens when found out after 6 months or week before marriage. Jelle argues relationship should not start on a lie. Bivo gives hypothetical scenario.

Andrew Wilson and Cinderella: Catholicism and fertility

Andrew pushes back on Cinderella prioritizing medical career over early family. Argues Catholic Church calls for multiplying and fertile years peak in 20s. Cinderella says she goes to confession but does not agree with all Catholic teachings. Andrew asks why she calls herself Catholic if she picks and chooses. Brian says he would become Orthodox if he converted.

Man vs. Bear question

Standard question: walking alone in woods, encounter random man or random bear? Panel splits: some say bear, some say man. Mixed responses. Brief discussion.

Brian considers Orthodox Christianity

Brian reveals he has been watching YouTube videos about Orthodox Christianity and church history. Andrew Wilson excited; says his chat is in tears. Andrew invites Brian to attend one Orthodox liturgy with Rachel Wilson next week. Brian says if he becomes religious he would go all in, not half-assed. Described the heresy lore as fascinating.

Bumble swiping segment and age preferences

Guests set age ranges and swipe through 20 male Bumble profiles each. Most guests say no to nearly all profiles. Monae: prefers 19-21. Discussion of racial preferences in dating follows the segment. Chat heavily active during this segment.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonwhat I'm saying to you is that my job here is is specifically to push back against worldviews I have a worldview you have a worldview that's what I'm here to do is push back on that you

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Brandon 'Bivo' Beusthis is Mone Mone Mone M money money that's money money that's all I hear is money so whatever right because you're a slave to money how can

Andrew Wilsonyou not say that you're a slave to money it's the only thing you value you value money over the virtue of your own woman we have just been enslaved to money say that again sorry how are you

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusnot enslaved to money if you value it over the virtue of your own woman I I listen if you have a 9 till 5 I'm not disrespecting but I am financially free

Brandon 'Bivo' BeusI can buy what I want I can do what I want when I was working a job for probably converion to Dollars pre about $600 a week I was spent 12 hours a day

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusworking I would go home have a shower eat my dinner go to bed go back to work six days a week that is a slave to someone else your boss that is a slave that's not enslavement it's it's a

Andrew Wilsonslavery it's my co out and make offering offering added value and service to the world which makes it a better place the opposite of enslavement you working a

Andrew Wilsonjob providing goods and services to other individuals is something which is highly valuable I would value that chated $200 Andrew he doesn't let her bang

TTS/Chat readerother men she obviously wears the pants and wants this and he has to agree with it stop pretending like he has a choice he is weak okay he can't defend

Andrew Wilsonhimself I love that word I love it yeah but but anyway so back to this uh that's there's a lot of value which is being added here if you if you have a job you're providing goods and services that

Andrew Wilsonpeople need right they need those Services that's important you though you you hang on you strip all the value off your money the money that you earn is

Andrew Wilsoncheap it's cheap money it's cheap money and it's valueless you worship it and instead you give the most the thing that you should value the most which is your wife you give her away as a [ __ ] to

Andrew Wilsonother men and you say me being a cuck in making money that's the most important thing why how how could a man ever respect somebody who has no virtue like that how could they do that again we're young we're making money we're living

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuslife and again when I'm 30 years old and I want to have children and I want to relax it a bit again I still do social media but I won't pre be as open as we are we living Kushi do what we want when

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuswe want and yeah we settle down then but who cares sex is great money is great filming is great why not Andre what happens when you're 40 I'll be living in my mansion with a nice Ferrari on the

Andrew Wilsondrive with my beautiful kids and my beautiful wife so I just want to let you know here's a good piece of wisdom for you that you'll ignore but I'll give it to you anyway when people get cheap money they spend money cheaply and what

Andrew Wilsonends up happening is it cheapens them and they end up with no money and they end up without any of the things which they thought the cheap money was going to bring them they they never end up

Andrew Wilsonwith those things money which comes easy go or easy come it's also easy go that's why you have What's called the lottery curse the lottery curse uh is most people who win the lottery end up broke

Andrew Wilsonwithin just a few years and the reason is is because the money came cheap money came cheap and so it's easy out the window you never value it nearly as much as you would value the virtue of your

Cindy Zangwoman but you gave that away that's not true I would say like if you have like healthy relationship with your money your financial is most definitely going

Cindy Zangto grow just depends on how you invest in yourself if you keep spending if you if you spend more time spending then you lose more money but if you work most sex workers end up broke most

Cindy Zangsex workers end up broke most lottery winners end up broke they almost always end worker if you're not then if you don't if you're not a sex worker you should have in order to comment on the thing that's yeah if you if you're not a

Cindy Zangsex worker or anything like that or have done anything you can I screw in a light bulb if I'm not an

Andrew Wilsonelectrician that has nothing to compare to se the same logic saying that's not the same logic makes sense that's theic yeah it is it's the same logic the logic is you can't comment on the thing if

Andrew Wilsonyou're not the thing I can't comment on prostitution if I'm not a prostitute I can't screw in a light not electric a light is so much different you can put on a light bul in two seconds being like

Cindy Zangas a content creator full-time you do that day in day out like a job like how you attend this podcast is different so you have no idea you'll never know you will never know until you put yourself in someone's

Cindy Zangshoes I just want I just want to make sure I got this clear so your opinion does not matter at the end of the day we will never take advice from you because you're not a if you a sex worker then we would take advice from you okay do you vote yeah I

Andrew Wilsonvote yeah I don't understand why do you vote you're not a politician you'll never understand because I want to choose who to govern right the country that I live in so wait wait a second so you can have a say even though you're not a politician

Saia Bellathat's really weird it's more the respect of people have f for the decision for that certain thing but no one's fault for you to have a decision on sex

Andrew Wilsonwork people it for the last 100 years they've been fighting about the decision on sex work how well I mean feminism is part of

Saia Bellasexual Liberation sexual Liberation is the promotion also of sex work yeah but that is a political it's a political agenda there's not being Wars over sex work there's been Wars over voting

Andrew Wilsonthat's the difference oh yeah where where's there ever been a war over voting no someone died over voting you don't know right just made it up right just think so just sounded good so you

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusjust said it right there's Wars over religion I won't get into it but there's Wars over religion which war over atheism you ever heard of Communism that's an atheistic that's an atheistic uh mode of governance and what

Andrew Wilsonthey did was kill all the religious just so you know so you act like religion is the only way in which there's going to be War we have these mass of atheistic armies like the Communists had and what they did was put all the religious to

Andrew Wilsonthe sword so it's not like your guys hands are clean I'm saying most most wars are based on religion I won't say again we're not clean no I wouldn't say most wars are based on religion I'd say most of them are based on resources but

Brian Atlasthat's just me okay let's uh move things on a little bit uh that was good we we let's we'll hear a bit more from some of the other panelists that was a good uh that was a good exchange you guys got a

Andrew Wilsonlittle uh it was a good one it was good um okay let me read a few chats then we'll get back into some of the topics can I just say though uh to um I I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow your name to the [ __ ] um I do appreciate be nice Andre I just wanted I'm not being mean I don't remember his his name I don't know if I caught it

Andrew Wilsonwhat is your name what's your name God lover Andrew Andre my name is Andrew and yes I am a god lover that's true yes Brandon Brandon bivo Brandon yeah yeah yeah so anyway Brandon I do appreciate

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusthe back and forth that's all I again I'm young it's we have different views and again I appreciate that you like your religion but again in today's world I want the nice things I want to live a

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusgood life and I do what I do so yeah can can we just do a quick experiment like real real fast if if

Andrew Wilsonyou'll if you'll humor me can you take two minutes to explain why other men should be a cuck and I'll take two minutes to explain why they shouldn't before we move this segment I'm not I'm

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusnot telling I'm not telling men to be a car again it's it's what we enjoy and if we enjoy something why not let's make money and yeah we're living life we're making money we're setting oursel up for

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusthe future because I'm with the woman I love and I want to get married to and have kids with and if it means that we have more than fun with other people it's going to benefit us in the long run

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuswho cares about what we've done in 10 20 years I I don't care no you will care no will God care no my mom and dad will care who cares cuz I've got money in the bank I've got a lovely house I've got a lovely wife I've got lovely Johnny or

TTS/Chat readerTiffany whoever I'm going to have and I've got a lovely doc vener Billy donated $200 was deadly till penicilin HIV was

TTS/Chat readerdeadly till antivirals in 10 years when the next deadly STD runs through your circle of cooks and or you will need that money to keep her PE from falling

Brian Atlasoff sex workers tend actually be the cleanest yo how crazy would it be though if like some brand new STD came along that's like never been seen before

Monaethat'd be [ __ ] insane we that' be insane I say I will say this prostitutes are the most cleanest women out there because they get tested on The Daily

Saia Bellabecause they have wait what yeah because they have to they have to yes of course they have to then how come the STDs are so much higher with prostitutes than they are general population because the general population don't tend to get tested so a

Saia Bellalot of people have things you would think that they would be higher then right not lower no but why is it that prostitutes have higher rates of STDs than the rest pop more gradually like normal people don't and they live

Saia Bellawith things for longer yeah that's right normal people don't have sex for money that's why no nor people normal people have sex normally but there's a lot of people who will sleep with a lot of

Andrew Wilsonother people and they carry diseases and spread it around without most people don't have sex with random strangers day in and day out for money in fact group does are called prostitutes and the

Andrew Wilsonrates of of STDs are far higher than that of the general population there's no way around that I mean the a lot of Agree to Agree

Cindy ZangI guess because I think it just comes down to normal people that don't that do like that have sexe to agree what did you say to agree I don't know like it

Cindy Zangdoesn't make any sense because there's going to be people that you know are going to be not careful but there's also people like that don't make money and like have not gotone their s

Andrew Wilsonchecked that's all you care about is money you said you you said you would sell your soul to the devil in violation of your Christian values for money why should we ever think that you're sane

Andrew Wilsonagain that's insane you literally said here's my virtues and I will absolutely sell those virtues to Satan himself if there's enough money and yet the cuck next to you says that they you guys

Andrew Wilsondon't worship you clearly worship money how could you not worship it if you'll sell your soul for it be we got be ni I

Brian Atlassell mine for a ten a ten oh ten for the yeah yeah like going back hold right enough cind okay wait I just

Brian Atlaswanted a couple clarifying questions to like the extent of the relationship so you guys like you'll hook up with girls together hook up with guys together um and like so is it like an orgy thing or

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuslike how does it work uh there might be one guy there might be one girl there could be is it like a swinger thing yeah potentially if you want to say do you guys use that same term in in the UK swing swingers but that's we've other

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuscouples other couples but we it's just tend to we might bring a boy in we might bring a girl in again spicing Andrew over there probably can't even get a rod on no more so he might need to try it you know so and wait just a question um in terms of your guys' orientation are

Brian Atlasyou both straight are you guys byy what straight I'm you're by okay so you would like get with it one of the other girls too but like you it would just be like just the girls not like other guys

Andrew Wilsongetting into the picture yeah okay so do so you don't do any same sex no definitely not no would you do it for enough money no you wouldn't do it for that's really weird why not I thought

Brian Atlasthat money is all that mattered not virtue wait Andrew would you do it for a billion he's Christian Co no oh no a billion is a lot of [ __ ] Mone if you would you do it for a billion

Andrew Wilsondollars probably yeah for a billion yeah yeah it's a lot of [ __ ] money I'll how can you say so then how can you say you're not a slave to money you would even compromise your your whatever moral

Brandon 'Bivo' BeusIntegrity you had towards the same sex for money you do you will do anything for money Andrew let me ask this with happiness say you were secretly gay again nothing against but Andrew are you secretly are you secretly gay are you

Brandon 'Bivo' Beussecretly gay Andrew okay sorry if if you're if you're a Christian and you've got to be a slave to your religion and you can't express your gay feelings let is being a slave to your religion because you're

Andrew WilsonChristian but you can't be happy because you're gay how do we get here so wait so I just so I get this right you're saying that Christianity should conform to the

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusfact that homosexuals refuse to stop engaging in sodomy no as in like if people are secretly no let them answer let them answer pleas no yeah no she's right she's carrying on that's what I was saying if you're secretly gay but

Andrew Wilsonyou're being a slave to your religion and you can't feel like you can't slave to the religion religion rejects you if you engage in sodomy it says you're not allowed to do

Andrew Wilsonthat so how is it that you're being a Slave at that point that makes no sense you're being a slave to your Vice in fact the religion would free you from the vice how's a how's a religion freeing you from being gay because it's

Andrew Wilsontell not to be gay because the thing is is that if you intuitively understand you're doing something wrong he wouldn't be moving over to Christianity in order to get rid of the sin to begin with if uh let's just move on you're waffling

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusbut yeah let's move on let's move there's no waffling at all you just don't have an argument no I do cuz if you're I could again I could go into it but we've got other guests and it's not the beaver on Sophia show I don't know it sounds like you're waffling no no

Andrew Wilsonyou're you're waffling it's like if people I don't know you're waffling you're pancaking bro come on give me the argument stop stop stop stop doing the I have an argument but I can't tell you I'll tell I just want to move along no

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusit's fine I'll tell the Argent so if you're within a Christian household you're born into Christianity you're gay you get born gay or whatever again

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusnothing against gays I I believe in no war living life and being happy so if you're a gay and you're a Christian you can't express your gay feelings because you're Christian so

Andrew Wilsonyou're being a slave to your religion you can't be gay and be a Christian you can't engage in the act of homosexuality and be a Christian at the same time you can't God tells you not to be God tells

Brian Atlasyou not I do have to move things along I do got to move things along let me get these chats okay we have pelic 6 thank you man for the Super Chat Quasimoto the

Brian Atlascuck okay we got the cuck you know we have rare rare a field rarified flare thank

Cindy Zangyou man Cindy want don't you read this rare AI yeah I I already read

Cindy Zangthat Cindy you are duding yourself Satan represents Indulgence instead of abstinence s represents all of the so

Cindy Zangsin as they all lead to physical mental or emotional gratifications trade in your cross of for a bamit will'll happily have you a s satanis all right thank you Flair

Brian Atlasappreciate it we have pel 6 thank you man Andrew don't fall into this dumb Sims trap he's deflecting because you smoked him he's not that smart be nice guys come on be nice here okay all right that's the two chats wait

Brian Atlaslet me hide those all right here you know what while we're at it [ __ ] it we're going to go around we have Stiffler here ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you Sydney Sydney Cindy

Brian AtlasCindy what do you rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10 go ahead I'm 10 and above period period Well it's 10 is the max

Saia Bellaso I'm 10 and above okay what about you um like s a all right yeah s out of 10

Alexyou know the rules a 10 a what a 10 a 10 okay yeah I feel like a seven I feel like if I get attention

Alexfrom guys then that means I'm attractive so I don't have a scale number so you depend your your attraction on men no I'm just saying like if a guy thinks I'm

Alexattractive then like okay cool but I already think I am attractive so it's like so what is that the number yeah so if you put the number to it I don't really know I mean I feel like

Cinderellaeveryone's attractive in their own way so maybe like seven or eight okay I don't know I would give myself a cool 8.5 maybe like a nine on a really good

Michaeladay okay uh like an eight my husband says I'm a 10 period what do you say I say I'm a 10 cuz he says I'm a

Brian Atlas10 so we got we got a 10 10 and 10 like I'm just confident in myself I hate to be the bear I hate I hate to

Brian Atlasbe the bearer of bad news none of your are tens that's fine on that's your opinion though like can you explain that oh sorry I didn't rid

Monaemyself I'm a five Andrew what about you I'm a four okay there you have it what was your question on on what scale like can you explain the like the objective Beauty scale yeah go ahead

Brian Atlaswell obviously never mind go ahead what no that that's the scale the objective Beauty scale oh that that's would you I'm not going to rate you I would

Brian Atlaslike to hear if you're saying none of us a 10 then what would you rate well you didn't rate yourself a 10 no I didn't but I'm this was mostly targeted at the people if you say you're a six or seven or eight really don't give a f have a question for Nick Nick what would you

Cindy Zangrate for yourself inste a four you rate yourself a

Brian Atlassix you're [ __ ] thirsty right now Cindy relax simping Cindy leave stop molesting stop harassing sexually harassing Nick over

Brian Atlasthere Nick you can I'm not please leave my producer him what he would rate himself please leave my producer alone okay uh so I could rap leave uh leave

Monaethem kids alone over there what are you doing that's a good kid that's a good kid simp and Cindy relax I just like wait Andrew our community not r or nothing out there

Monaebut I feel like in like in the black community like we are like yeah there's a different skill and rating it's yeah I just feel like it's different cuz you definitely I'm pretty sure yeah you definitely don't think that I'm a 10 but

Brian Atlaslike wait wait what you trying what you trying to say here no I'm just saying it's different I don't know how to explain like the Asian girl scale the white girl scale the black girl scale is

Brian Atlasthat what you're saying no I think own preferences like are SE attracted to what would you R everyone well I'm not going to do it unless you guys are fine

Brian Atlaswith me rating you individually no I don't care wait Andrew could you do one thing do you have a Lynch roller you got a couple specks of white on your microphone and it's [ __ ] killing me or just pluck them off can you pluck them off oh it's say it's his dried lips

Andrew Wilsonthere you go oh there you go wait and then there's one on the top it's there's a little there's a I know if I sucked as much penis as you I guess it would moisten them right but anyway you should start doing that wait you got

Brian Atlasa little speck on the top of your mic it's just you got the main one you got the main one there we go thank you make sure it's I was like about to I was I was about to Great OCD comes great

Brian Atlasresponsibility maybe wait wait stop stop stop stop stop I was about to have a panic attack dude from from the [ __ ] the spec on your [ __ ] but wait okay going going back to you what were you saying oh no I was saying like um I just

Monaefeel like it's different because like for like you know okay I'm going say like for black people me and her would be considered like we're like there we're at the top you're you're at the top yeah well I'm not at the top at the

Brian Atlastop but like we're pretty like you know yeah I'm not I'm not saying you guys are unattractive or badl looking gals yeah but I'm just saying 10 10 10 no

Monaeoffense not so much I want to I know I want to hear everyone w't say I feel like if I feel like that was my confident answer

MichaelaI'll ask if you're fine with me raing you yeah yeah yeah y I do not need your validation

Brian Atlasperiod oh I'm not I'm not intending to validate you don't worry about that I'm not intended what about me guys I can't

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusread you can write me you're the only 10 at the table oh love there you go there you go the cups to 10 big up the cup

Brian AtlasBig Ups Andrew you son of a gun how dare you you're littering on your get that oh my God I'm not even start I can't even

Brian AtlasI'm we're pausing until you clean that [ __ ] up Andrew we're I'm not moving on what is that is that his lice it's gone it's gone lice what the it's gone okay oh my God Dand bro you trying to give me

Brian Atlasan aneurysm son what you what are you doing I'm gonna okay all right sorry guys I have a bit the OCD I saw a couple specs on his mic they had to go all right so I'll rate you guys um

Brian Atlasdo you want us to say what we said originally yeah so say what you said originally we say it after let's say it after you want to go uh well actually one quick point I

Brian Atlaswant to point out here for Cindy Cindy you're currently wearing color contacts right if you were a 10 wouldn't you be a 10 without with your natural eye color yeah do you want do you want to like take it out for me you could do it you

Cindy Zangyou want me to take your colored contacts out take it off I'll I'm gonna pass on that you can take off my eye contact if you think that's like the biggest Judgment of no it's not it's

Brian Atlasjust I mean if you're already a 10 why would you change your eye color with fake contact

Cindy Zanglenses um well why do you have a beard why didn't you shave today that's not even an argument I'm not claiming to be a 10 I'm dead I'm just saying like you might think like oh beer makes me look

Andrew Wilsonhotter so I'm going to grow this out for some women does other women to do Nick do you have like a shaver let's shave it off let's see yeah sure hey you know what I'll do the shave thing if you wipe off the makeup how's that for AAL don't

Brian Atlasdon't tempt her with a good time Andrew are you going to do it keep your beard Andrew keep your beard keep your beard we need your beard take the makeup off you want

Cindy Zangto um I think I don't really want to like cuz like I like I paid like 10K for this you paid how did you pay 10K for

Brian Atlasyour makeup I pay 10K to get my makeup done you paay $10,000 to get your that's like the most that's probably the dumbest thing I've heard tonight there's it doesn't cost $10,000

Brian Atlasanywhere to get this makeup artist charged me $10,000 so I you're full of [ __ ] girls I don't know [ __ ] about makeup if you go to a professional makeup artist are they charging you

Brian Atlas$10,000 I don't know where she went so much troll like you got no ey Shadow that's a straight up trolling at this point damn they did a terrible job for

Brian Atlas10,000 I'll tell you that much okay 10K for what awkward awkward okay Cindy all right I'll do some ratings here uh okay

Brian Atlasso Cindy I give you uh give you a six uh sopia give

Brian Atlasyou five BVO 10 nothing I'm uh for I don't remember all your names but mon Monae I'm just going on off face

Monaeby the way but uh what about on body I definitely have I'm not going there yeah I say I definitely have better days for sure but like uh n 5 six for

Brian Atlassure 6.5

Brian Atlaswait hold on six 6.5 they're not gonna like that one hold on can you lift up a little

Brian Atlasbit uh she bad 6.5 okay four oh okay you guys asked you guys said it was okay but you don't want

Brian AtlasI don't have I I'll I only will rate if you say yes should we go should we rate you next or no you can't now you you just try to get back me but personality

Alexalways takes the cake that's true no yeah definitely what's inside matters okay I mean no personally I wouldn't date someone just their looks like it would it would be a plus but

Alexlike I would like a person with a good heart good personality good morals to me at least and just like write stuff like you don't have to be like I don't even know like who the hottest okay um M if

Monaeyou guys were tense if you guys I mean you're married so okay whatever if you were tens you I got to be honest you wouldn't be single I mean honest I'm single for a reason like I don't want no boyfriend I just don't want no boyfriend

MonaeI'm a freshman in college like I don't that's not my focus right now I could definitely have a boyfriend oh trust I could definitely have a boyfriend but if you were 10 you would have like the line of men okay but just how

Monaeearlier when you said that like you don't talk to multiple people at once like that's the same with me I don't and sometimes people are just not interested like I don't want to be talking to Hell people at once personally for me I just

Alexdon't want it right I feel like I got I got hella guys but I just don't want it yeah I definitely yeah I definitely got to like ah if the right G if right gay what the fck if the right excuse me did

Brian Atlasnot mean to say that if the right G the right guy if the right am I I think I'm having an aneurism if the right guy came along you would be dating him of course

Brian Atlasbut like definitely but I'm just not finding that here in Santa Barbara Santa Barbara don't got nobody nothing honestly it's scary out here show Sant not real look here here's why I give

Brian Atlaspush back on this whole 10 thing right so a lot of people like I'm sure all you girls know a guy who thinks he's hot [ __ ] but isn't right do you guys know a guy who thinks he

Brian Atlasis but like that's kind of you if you're claiming to be a 10 well that's the attitude you have but you guys all know guys who think they're who think they're the [ __ ] but they're not I mean at the

Cinderellaour opinion doesn't matter regarding the guy cuz if he feels like he's a hot [ __ ] he is in his own perspective we we can't tell him he's not cuz he going to still feel like that yeah but you could come on you clown on dudes who like [ __ ] but

Graci Monatathey're not definitely yeah I do I feel like sometimes there's a line between confidence and Cockiness you know like I mean yeah there's a there's a line between well let me let me add this so I

Brian Atlasactually think women respond far more better even if the guy is cocky women respond better to that than men responding to cocky women because one of

Brian Atlasthe an attraction trigger for uh that that men view in women is Modesty okay whereas I think women will like some women obviously don't like

Brian Atlascocky guys but like a lot of women will like that almost delusional confidence in men and so for some guys like it's a bit of a differential between men and

Graci Monatawomen but like for most men like we don't want like a cocky girl m no yeah modesty is very uh valued yeah like that's that's totally understandable

Brian Atlaslike I would want you know someone who well in my eyes hum yeah model mobile like and just very you know like I guess but look here's why I think this whole thing matters I think when it comes to dating you have to have a reasonable

Brian Atlasself assessment of your own physical attractiveness cuz like here's the big problem I see a lot of people both men women but there's definitely a lot of women who are like this cuz men reality will slap you in the face whereas women

Brian Atlaslike you your girlfriends will gas you up you could be obese and your girls will be telling you oh my God you're [ __ ] beautiful you're a 10 out of 10 they'll gas you up and you're like your your female uh peers are never going to

Brian Atlaslike correct you and say nah shut the [ __ ] up like if I if I were to tell my guy friends yeah I'm the [ __ ] [ __ ] I'm so [ __ ] hot they'd be like shut up Brian lose some [ __ ] weight fatty

Brian Atlascuz I'm I got to lose some weight I'm a little chubby right now I got a dad B be like shut the [ __ ] up you [ __ ] 10 you got a [ __ ] double CH tell me this

Brian Atlas[ __ ] here's the difference though here's the difference so men will typically tell uncomfortable truths men and I actually as a man I prefer that men will

Brian Atlastell uncomfortable truths women would rather hear comforting lies and so tell me the truth I yeah I'm telling you the truth I told you the truth no I'm tell

Graci MonataI'm saying in general like tell me the truth okay but so here's I think I I I understand what you're saying it's totally yeah like well no here's what I'm getting right right so I do think

Brian Atlasit's the case not all women but a lot of women have an overinflated sense of like kind of where they stand in the dating Marketplace and so what ends up happening is if you're too gassed up on your physical appearance or you think

Brian Atlasyou're super attractive and I'll get into some of the reasons why that is you're probably curving guys rejecting guys who are actually on your level and

Brian Atlasin your leag so and th the guys who will give you loyalty who will give you commitment give you monogamy treat you well a lot of women are curving them especially in their like you know uh 18

Brian Atlas19 20 all through their 20s and the reason they're curving them is because you're getting sexual attention from men who are quite frankly outside of your league in terms of looks status Etc now I don't know some of you

Brian Atlasguys are in college I don't know if you've like you'll have like an 18 19y old college girl who can get sexual attention from like a guy who's a a little bit older a little more established he could be we we've had college girls on the show who normal

Brian Atlascollege girls 500 followers they've got NBA players hitting them up NFL players hitting them up professional athletes musicians famous like top top tier like musicians rappers

Brian Atlasall this [ __ ] uh and you can get sexual attention from them or they could or could just be like the really attractive guy at College yeah a lot of women are all chasing after the top 10% of men and

Brian Atlasthose men will happily just have casual sex with pretty much most women but they're not going to give that woman commitment but see there's a differential here is what you have

Brian Atlashappening is a a excuse me sorry getting Tongue Tied a woman will sleep with guy and she thinks well I was able to sleep with him he was the ex attractive he was an eight nine or 10 whatever because I'm able to sleep with him that must be my

Brian Atlasleague but your league is not the men you can sleep with your league is the men that you can get commitment from relationship and marriage that's your league because you can like women men can't really sleep out of their

Brian Atlasleague like if I step to a girl who's like a nine I'm instant rejection right instant rejection I'm not going to be able to like sleep with a really hot chick whereas like you could step to a guy

Brian Atlasmeet him on the dating app he could be one two three points I I know some people don't like this numerical rating system he could be one two three points more attractive than you he'll sleep with you he'll get he'll have sex with

Brian Atlasyou but he'll never give you commitment he's probably got a roster of 5 10 15 20 girls there's some dudes that are just like have a massive rotation and so what's happening is a lot of girls are sharing guys and they're kind of like

Brian Atlaspushing the guys this is why a lot of dudes ends up in the friend zone actually a lot of the guys in your friend zone are actually probably like the guys you ought to be with so what ends up happening at 30 oh [ __ ] couldn't get commitment from all these guys I

Brian Atlas[ __ ] in my 20s okay I'm going to finally settle down and actually makes it makes for terrible relationships because because you think you're settling when actually these guys who you rejected throughout your 20s

Brian Atlasactually the guys who are kind of in your league but because you can get sexual access and attention from a really attractive dude and it could be really attractive looks-wise status money personality whatever guys can uh

Brian Atlasmake up for their lack of looks in other ways um actually women can too like if you're a girl and you have like uh for example if you're just add value to a guy's life aside from just like looks

Brian Atlasand sex that's M that can actually I would I argue it's kind of the same with guys like you could H like if you're average looking girl

Brian Atlasbut you're super sweet you're not promiscuous you're loyal you help him out with things uh and you you like have a good personality Pleasant Etc cuz a lot of guys don't want a headache like a

Brian Atlaslot of guys deal with like Coral some women we don't want to deal like that that's one of the most terrible things we don't want a girl who like [ __ ] with our peace cuz we are like I don't know about you like you're probably like

Brian Atlashustling grinding whatever like you don't want a girl to add more stress to your life like you're a business owner right like you don't want that added level some guys like toxic woman yeah those guys are like arler those guys are

Brian Atlas[ __ ] no those guys probably don't have anything going for them the dudes who like [ __ ] the drama and the those guys have nothing going for them because like well I think like some guys want they don't want it to be boring they

Brian Atlaswant like I don't explain it like some women give me boring I don't want give me like a mellow girl there some girls will just pick a fight just cuz they're bored true yeah and then but

Brian Atlaslike the guys enjoy it because they're like oh there's some passion in it Bo no no no no no no bo was that there's boys like that they ra they're immature though like and they probably like don't have other [ __ ] going on in their life

Brian Atlasso they like the excitement but a guy who's already on the world struggling like and when I mean struggling like they're already dealing like with the difficulties of like maybe their business owner is whatever they're already like fighting the world out

Brian Atlasthere they don't want to come home and be fighting with their girl so I guess what I'm trying to say is just to bring it back to my my point is so as a guy if we can sleep with a girl I don't know if you you agree with this like if we can

Brian Atlassleep with a girl there's a pretty good chance we can get her in a relationship would you agree with that like if you can sleep with a girl pretty good chance like you can get her in a relationship it depends what it depends

Brian Atlaslook there's some girls who are for the street there's some girls who are street but like if you can sleep with a girl there's a there's a okay comparatively speaking a weird it's how you working it

Brandon 'Bivo' BeusI don't know again like if you sleep with some on the first date you talk more and then it's game over you don't know you it's it's a weird one but I get what you're saying it's more client

Brian Atlasyou're attach I'll frame I'll frame it like this like if a guy sleeps with a girl does he have a better chance of getting her in a relationship than if a girl just sleeps with with a guy oh yeah

Brian Atlas100% right so I agree with that so typically there's a differential there and then the big thing is is that because for us men like we'll sleep with a girl I don't know if you agree with this but we'll sleep you can as a guy

Brian Atlasyou can sleep with a girl and in terms of just her looks you would sleep with her but you would never consider being in a relationship with her just based off her looks but I would argue for most

Brian Atlaswomen in order for you to sleep with a guy he needs to be at least physically attractive enough for you to be in a relationship with him so women will like and they'll break their rule in the opposite way so guys will sleep with a

Brian Atlasgirl who's like we'd never be in a relationship with her just based off her looks she could be a great girl but we're like like looks wise just not even worth it whereas for women you'll break the

Brian Atlasrule the opposite way like this guy won't give me commitment but he's really hot so I'm going to sleep with him like I'll give him a pass like oh normally I wait three dates but like he's super hot

Graci Monataso this is my chance I'm going to [ __ ] him and is it true is it true I think I think guys are just creates guys are like very visual

Graci Monatacreatures and you know what I think you're right on the fact that like I feel like if a guy were to if a girl were to just come up to a dude and be like oh do you want to have sex with me most likely than not like the dude would say yeah because they're a dude and I

Brian Atlasfeel like if it were flipped I feel like a girl at least like me I guess I would want to get to know them you know like well here's the difference right like if

Graci Monataif a girl is looking to have casual sex like a guy okay if a girl I I can like what if that if a girl is actively looking for casual sex

Graci Monatathen then I think it would be like the same thing like like I mean maybe yeah she would find them attractive but if she's just having casual sex then she probably doesn't care about the person

Brian Atlasyeah well I I would argue when it comes to casual sex like a girl is going to she's going to probably want that guy to be at least good-look enough that she would be in a relationship with that guy

Brian Atlaswhereas guys it would be it's totally the reverse like they'll sleep with a girl who they'd be like would never be in a relationship with her based on the one soulle metric of her physical appearance they welcome the easy access

Brian Atlasto sex but they'll never give her commitment some of these guys might even keep these girls around with like Friends with Benefits string them along I'm not even saying this is like just a one night stand one time thing sort of situation they keep them around but

Brian Atlasyou'll never get commitment and that's where it's really dangerous cuz that not dangerous but like cuz then that's that's when you really think you're in that guy's League when you're like oh is this going to lead somewhere d d but

Graci Monatahe's just using you I think like at the end of the day like it just depends on people's morals and where they stand with themselves to like if you're just going to let if you're just going to like look for casual sex then that's good for you like you know you do you

Michaelabut at the end of the day like at the end of the day if you're having casual sex then like right it's just animalistic at that point so it doesn't really matter what's

Brian Atlaswhat's what when it comes to the whole like out of the league thing so I would argue that most men can't get anything out of their league like if I step to a girl I'm like hey I'd like to take you

Brian Atlasout I'm not getting a first date I'm not getting um she's probably almost instant rejection not getting a date not getting a second date not um sex whatever it may

Brian Atlasbe but I would argue that women can get sex out of their league so if a guy tries to shoot H shoot a shot outside of his League he gets an upfront rejection whereas if a woman shoots outside of her

Brian AtlasLeague she'll get a backend rejection so that means she gets rejected after being used for sex so the guy will sleep with you once ghost or keep stringing you long sleep

Brian Atlaswith you a couple times but he's never going to give you commitment and that's the back end rejection H so that's how women can get gassed up well ah it just didn't work out with this one guy but he was super attractive oh and and you think like that's what

Brian Atlasmakes them think like oh like they can pull like I guess per se that dude and stay with them yeah well cuz like think about it right as a girl if you can like sleep with these really hot dudes you're

Brian Atlasyou're might be thinking ah [ __ ] well I just haven't found the right guy of that caliber to get a relationship from so you're going to like keep on pining towards those hyper attractive guys it's

Brian Atlasjust going to but it's going to be constantly rejection after rejection after rejection whereas like guys don't have the I don't know if it's a privilege but guys don't have the benefit of getting anything from like

Brian Atlasbro I can't step to a girl who's more attractive than me and like it's instant rejection she's not oh well hm like it's never Crossing her mind H well I guess I

Brian Atlascould [ __ ] him a couple times like I don't think girls feel that way you know like if a guy who you're like not that attracted to who's like average dude at least in your eyes well let me ask you a question would you date an average

Brian Atlasguy looks if his personality is a 10 then let's say he's average in all regards average personality average guy I wouldn't want an Aver I you don't want an average guy I actually asked that question to the panel but but like

Brian Atlasyou're not like thinking if an average guy steps to you oh man I guess I could [ __ ] him once just you know cuz I'm horny or I guess I could like keep it casual for like a couple weeks couple

Brian Atlasmonths and then like have her part my rotation like I think most women don't think that way but like you'll have I'm not saying all men think that way but there's enough men who have like who think that way where it like becomes a problem in this in the uh sexual

Brian AtlasMarketplace but actually going around the table just open it up to the table here you don't want an average guy I'm just want to go around the table do you want an average guy what's your definition of average average looking

Alexaverage job average person give me like a picture a good guy he's a good guy but he's average okay good guy good guy but average could you like maybe give like a celebrity comparison like like physical

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuslooks do you consider yourself do who do you consider average [ __ ] looking I don't know why you guys call an average guy that works an average job that's oh yeah oh hey I know I know hey hang on I

Andrew Wilsoncan give you an example the gentleman at the table average guy would would sound average Al wait me or yeah the gentleman at the table not you Brian the other gentleman I'm sorry is it Brandon was it

AlexBrandon yeah yeah Brandon yeah yeah yeah Brandon Brandon an average guy who's an wait but who's an average looking celebrity I mean but he's right someone thinks that no matter who they are they're hot no matter what so there's

Andrew Wilsongoing to be someone that that's not a that's not a dunk he's an average looking dude that's the point for each job though so it's I think I know you're like okay someone who's like kind of

Cindy Zanglike he's like good-looking but he's not hot like there's a standard of like okay he's a really pretty boy like he's hot

Cindy Zanglike like Andrew Garfield um no pretty boy like Vinnie hacker he's pretty and his body is hot like he's he's a pretty boy [ __ ] is that

Cindy Zangguy Vinnie hacker you don't know who Vinnie hacker you don't know oh that that white boy for him like it's like he's he's a good-look guy okay how about Steve bami who oh oh oh the guy from um

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusneed a picture or something from grownups that hangs upside down on the thing in the pool yeah he's like he's old yeah he's an older guy what you call American like you're

Cindy ZangAmerican gen Chad I don't know or like Brad Pit when he was like in his 20s you think Brad Pit was average no I I never said average like I'm just comparing like the hot like the I feel like all

Brian Atlasthe definitions of average are different yeah and then the average going be kind of hard would be here what we'll just have you guys answer the question whatever you think average about R guy walking down the

Brian Atlasstreet yeah Cindy would you would you date an average looking average guy yes I have you have but would you I

Brian Atlashave so that means yes not necessarily you you said would you date an average right just because you've done something in the past doesn't mean you're going to continue doing it so

Monaelike moving forward like would you right now my preference no okay what about you yeah um I feel like yeah yeah but you're

Monaewere 10 but no okay I said I thought you got I thought you got you got a DAT 10 I said that was my confident answer but it's not being for real like a eight oh well don't let me walk you back don't

Monaelet me ruin your confidence no no no I'm not tripping at all okay but um yeah I would say yeah would you date an average guy I guess

Graci MonataH would I I don't I don't think so like if he's right for me he's right for me you know like sure that's it I would based off personality okay I would not

Brian Atlaswould not do an average guy would you yeah I would okay well you're married s okay uh not entirely I don't know where I was going with that yeah I yeah and no

Brian Atlasbut I do think it's the case like here's the I'm not saying that you guys I'm not making a statement about the panel here but I think a lot of average women don't want average men I'm not saying you guys are average but like that's kind of the

Brian Atlaspoint I'm trying to make of like it's important to know where you stand in the dating Marketplace because if you're like angling to get a certain like caliber of guy and he's outside of your league he's there's a good chance he's

Brian Atlasjust going to use you for sex and never commit to you that's true and like I don't like to see women getting used for sex like I so yeah I don't know MH so I understand I feel like it's also important to really weigh your your like

Cinderellaprospects on like who you feel like you are as a person like you can't really want something from someone that you can't give back like I'm big on like reciprocating and I know if I if I know I can't reciprocate what this guy is giving me or like what he wants I'm not

Cinderellagoing to put myself in a situation at a fairness to him that's so true I kind of think though maybe part of this is that I think there's a I not

Brian Atlasall women but like there's a decent amount of women who would rather have the divided attention of like a really attractive guy than commitment from an average guy or like a guy on your level

Brian Atlasor whatever and actually going around the table like would you prefer like let's say I'm trying to think of like uh somebody really out like famous or some

Brian Atlas[ __ ] super attractive Michael B Jordan right it's okay for you here I'll go to you I'll go to you immediately like would you rather be dating Michael B Jordan but he's got let's say you're

Brian Atlaseven the main chick but he's got side girls would you prefer that over dating like some average no okay all right no disrespectful

Graci Monatato well a lot of people would be to each their own to each it's just a personal preference personal preference I think I think that this is the the issue with the the modern dating

Cinderellalandscape I feel like you stay it's so normalized with like the side chicks oh side gu sneaky Ling stuff that people don't really realize that like the the huge depth that being a relationship

Cinderellaactually like puts on people and they they use it as like oh playing around like oh I'm messing with messing with that but you got to think about the future and like going out with that mindset that you're not going to find happiness you're not going to find a

Michaelastable relationship if you carry that on with like how you're living today yeah I don't I don't think that it like like finding someone based on their attraction is going to bring you any

Graci Monatalevel of yeah I think if you're solely just going based off the attractiveness of like how they look then obviously that's like that's a problem that's a problem yeah that's an issue I feel like

Monaenobody wants to walk around with somebody that's like a GL yeah yeah yeah unless you're really into I'm going to read a couple chats and then we'll get into the next thing actually Cindy can I have you read this can you see it I

Cindy Zangcannot Cindy can you read this thanks for the extra spicy guest today I know Brian has hard hard time finding men

Brian Atlasable to contribute as much as the usual strumpets uh thank you L paladins thank you man appreciate it and then we have another one thank you Knight erant thank

Cindy Zangyou felicious the delusion of human self Divinity religion values and God is a construct of society that ultimately

Cindy Zangstems from error management Theory basic evolutionary psycho psycho biology so much

Andrew WilsonDil do you want to give a 20 second answer to that Andrew uh well you can't really give a 20 second answer to it because we would

Andrew Wilsonhave to get into metaphysics and epistemology and um I doubt that anybody who promotes evolutionary psychology knows anything about either of those things or they wouldn't promote evolutionary psychology so do you want

Andrew Wilsonto just call that guy dgen no I I I'm not sure that he's a d he may not be I'm kidding he I mean he it sounded like a good faith criticism and those are the kinds of arguments I

Brian Atlaslike to have but um but also you're a dejen right so this thank you night Aron I we appreciate the uh message uh can

Cindy Zangyou read this one rating scale Beyonce is A8 Kelly Roland A9 Kevin samim from Kevin Samuels of you are an eight or above you would have

Cindy ZangScouts hunting you down for modeling contracts for the cover of top magazines not necessarily not necessarily yeah not necessarily if you look at modeling I don't think he's I think he's right I

Cindy Zangthink he's right no that's not true because I'm if you look at modeling Pages models thank you Tommy you see like different models in in all shapes and forms well let's say like let's I

Brian Atlasmean yeah there's like those crazy Calvin Klein ads which are Super like scop [ __ ] but if like we go back

Brian Atlaslike 10 years ago 20 years ago yeah you didn't see those like crazy ridiculous like you know do you know what I'm talking about like the Calvin Klein ads

Cindy Zangwhere it's like this what like beluga whale beluga whale yeah okay but that's

Cindy Zangstill a form of like you know body positivity so what what is I shouldn't be talking though they

Cindy Zangwant to if cin kin wants to picture that as a campaign they can do that that's what they want to do is it going to make controversy I suppose they can it's going to make controversy because people

Alexlike you are going to have opinionated opinions about it also like 20 years ago there was the big difference between super models versus Uber models and

Alexbeing a supermodel like for example just like for a random brand maybe Chanel they would all have to look quite the same and look plain and a lot of Brands

Alexwere looking for tall blonde European woman and they had to have like no special distinction but then like an Uber model would be like Naomi Campbell who has like a very distinctive look so

Brian Atlasit's like there's like a difference with that so like models an umbrella term but you can have like different sure things uh we're going to get into uh wait hold

Brian Atlason oh we got to do the Bumble segment and then really quick twitch guys go to twitch.tv whatever twitch.tv whatever if you're watching on YouTube head over to Twitch twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a

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Brian Atlaswas that sat uh Friday we did a test stream over there and on our Clips Channel on YouTube so uh it went well so we're going to continue doing it still getting a couple things set up but uh be sure to drop a follow over there if you

Brian Atlaswant to uh see some Maddie streams so we're going to do wait was what was the other was there something another tab we were going to pull up oh there's that Tik Tok uh not yet we are we're going to

Brian Atlasdo bumble and then we're going to wait hold on before we do the Bumble segment the Bumble segment is a fun segment that's for the whole panel uh I'll do a

Brian Atlasfew of my uh pre-show notes here so from Sophia you provided for us you wanted to talk about dating related topics we could talk about body count always being

Brian Atlasbrought up in misogynistic men uh so let me see what the notes were specifically what specifically did you want to talk about when it came to misogynistic men

Saia Bellaum mainly the fact that like if it was a normal woman who worked like yeah just scoot scoot it to the edge of the table

Saia Bellaif it was um just like a normal girl who works like a night to5 and went out on the weekend sort of thing um and she

Saia Bellasecretly slept with a lot of men but told everyone that she only slept with like a couple men which is a very known thing thing for women to do yep well

Saia Bellapersonally I know quite a lot of women do lie about the bodyc um and then they're very quiet about it um and then there's girls who yeah will do it for not for workers in

Saia Bellathat way but we'll be very open about the amount of people they've slept with um very open about like the body and

Saia Bellasexual activity um and it's mainly like misogynistic Men Who Target into girls who do only fans

Brian Atlasand so on so on well let's separate this out here a little bit so there was the body count component of this so you said that women some women will have a tendency to lie about their body count

Saia Bellathey'll actually have a higher body count but tell men that it's low or whatever but then like obviously men judge women who have high body counts

Saia Bellaand being open about it when normally it's the quiet shy girls who wouldn't sleep with anyone who's actually SLE with more people than people who are honest about it no I mean you're not

Brian Atlaswrong uh we actually had one girl on the show who you would have never thought that she had a high body count she's very very quiet very mellow very um seemed you know shy introverted reserved

Brian Atlasand then like but she was actually very honest with uh her answer to the body count question I think she she was like 19 and she'd slept with like I think it was like 30 35 guys which at voice crack

Brian Atlasuh which at 35 or excuse me which at 19 is uh she's at 18 or 19 it's pretty high uh 35 30 to 35 is pretty high so you are

Brian Atlasright that like sometimes it's the uh the unsuspecting ones like you wouldn't suspect that she had a high body count um I mean I do think it's bad for you to

Brian Atlaslie about your to lie to a new partner especially if it's you know starting off the relationship on lie and then the other thing is like maybe some guys wouldn't care if they found

Brian Atlasout down the road although I do think you are depriving the man of you're depriving him of making an informed decision about being in a relationship with you by lying uh some guys might

Brian Atlasfeel duped or tricked or deceived and um I think the big thing though me like me for example if a girl told me that she had a body count of five and I started you know I dated her

Brian Atlasfor 6 months a year and I was interested in taking her seriously and then like either she told me down the road or I just you know there's you can sometimes find out either oh you you were with

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