BEAVO SIMP! COPS CALLED! Strumpet REFUSES To Leave?! TRESPASSED AND KICKED OUT?! | Dating Talk #163

Date: 2024-05-22

Duration: 7h 09m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSaia Bella (DT163)>

BBrandon Beus (DT163)>

MMonae (DT163)>

GGraci Monata (DT163)>

CCinderella (DT163)>

JJelle (DT163)>

MMichaela (DT163)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brandon 'Bivo' Beus(guest)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_03Saia Bella(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cindy Zang(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cinderella(guest)

SPEAKER_06Monae(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Graci Monata(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jelle(guest)

SPEAKER_14Michaela(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions begin. Cindy Zang (returning) introduces herself first, followed by Saia Bella, Brandon/Bivo (open relationship couple from Manchester), Monae, Graci, Alex, Cinderella, Jelle, and Michaela.

“hi guys my name is Cindy Zang I am 24 years old I live in Los Angeles and I am a only fans model”

OtherBrandon 'Bivo' Beus introduces himself and explains open relationship dynamic: both partners, always together, all for content, partners are pre-tested. Defines himself as atheist ('God is money'). Previously only monogamous.

“beus known as bivo um I do Tik Tok I'm from Manchester and I'm hlag”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible debate channel. Joins remotely after being late due to family emergency.

“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible fastest growing debate channel on the internet I'm a political saturnist”

ControversyAndrew Wilson debates Cindy Zang on her claim that God wants her to do OnlyFans and Satan would want her to stop. Asks if God told her to do gang bangs. Cindy says she would sell her soul to the devil for $12M/year. Andrew challenges the logical consistency of her Christian identity.

“does God want you to stick a dick in your mouth is that what God wants you to do”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues all sex work (stripping, OnlyFans) constitutes prostitution by definition — selling sexual favors for money. Panel extensively debates this. Saia argues intent distinguishes strippers from prostitutes.

“I just was curious how it would not be prostitution if a guy paid you money to grind on his penis in order to make it hard”

OtherSelf-rating round begins. Brian asks panel to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Cindy: 10+. Saia: 10+. Alex: 10. Cinderella: 7-8. Michaela: 10.

“Cindy what do you rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10 go ahead I'm 10 and above period”

OtherBrian gives his ratings: Cindy=6, Saia=5, Bivo=10, Monae=6.5. Two additional lower ratings (~4 and ~5) given to other guests (unclear assignment). Bivo called 'the only 10 at the table' by Brian.

“so Cindy I give you uh give you a six uh sopia give you five BVO 10 nothing”

ControversyCindy Zang disrupts show by grabbing and spinning propeller hat, then bumping camera equipment. Brian formally trespasses her at ~3:57:26. Cindy refuses to leave for several minutes. Andrew and Bivo both tell her to go. Brian threatens to forcibly remove her. Eventually she leaves. Show title references this as 'Strumpet REFUSES To Leave / TRESPASSED AND KICKED OUT'.

“your permission to be here has been revoked kindly get up and leave”

QuoteBrian formally trespasses Cindy Zang: 'Your permission to be here has been revoked.'

“look now I'm trespassing you your permission to be here has been revoked”

Key MomentBrian reveals he has been watching Orthodox Christianity YouTube videos and finds the history/lore fascinating. Andrew Wilson says his viewers are in tears. Andrew invites Brian to attend one liturgy with Rachel Wilson next visit.

“if I ever become religious I think I I would become Orthodox”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Cindy Zang returns. Saia Bella and Brandon Bivo arrive from Manchester in open relationship. Bivo explains open relationship dynamic (both partners, together only, for content). Michaela reveals she is moving to Alabama to pay off student loans.

Open relationship / modern dating dynamics

Brian probes Bivo and Saia's open relationship: logistics, jealousy, STI testing. Bivo says all partners are pre-planned, tested, and for content. Discussion of monogamy vs open relationships and motivations.

Cindy Zang: Christian OnlyFans creator debate

Extended discussion with Cindy on reconciling Christian identity with OnlyFans. Cindy argues God wants her to do it; Satan would want her to stop. Cross necklace / fake tattoo backstory. Brian notes Cindy's Instagram bio says 'God first' above OnlyFans link. Panel challenges Cindy on justification logic.

Worst thing said during sex / weird dating stories

Round-table: worst thing said to you during sex or on a date. Saia was called 'Abby' (another woman's name). Bivo was called 'Bivo' by a fan. Graci had guy who got insecure when she laughed during sex. Alex told story of 6'6" date who ate shrimp messily and tried to kiss her after. Brian shared story of girl who wanted cat role play. Graci shared story about girl who wanted to be punched in the face.

Body count round

Michaela asks panel for body counts. Bivo: below 20. Saia: less than 30 / double digits. Cinderella: declined. Alex confirmed virgin (0). Others declined or minimal sharing.

Andrew Wilson joins: OnlyFans, Christianity, and prostitution definitions

Andrew Wilson calls in remotely. Debates Cindy Zang's Christian/OnlyFans logic. Asks if God told her to do gang bangs. Challenges definition of prostitution — argues all sex work (stripping, OnlyFans) = prostitution by intent. Panel debates this distinction at length. Sophia (Saia) argues misogynistic men target OnlyFans women.

Self-rating round and Brian's ratings

Brian asks each guest to rate their own looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Cindy: 10+. Saia: 10+. Alex: 10. Cinderella: 7-8. Michaela: 10 (husband says so). Monae: 5. Andrew (phone): 4. Brian then gives his ratings: Cindy=6, Saia=5, Bivo=10, Monae=6.5, and lower ratings for others (4 and 5 mentioned). Discussion on inflated female self-assessments.

Dating marketplace and female overestimation of league

Brian argues many women overestimate their position in the dating marketplace. Explains front-end vs back-end rejection: men get instant rejection if out of league; women get used for sex and then ghosted. Discusses why women often chase top 10% men. Men are salesmen, women are marketers analogy. Social media as women staying on the market even in relationships. Panel debates.

Cindy Zang trespassed and removed from show

Cindy disrupts show: refuses to sit down, grabs propeller hat, spins it, bumps camera equipment while trying to return it. Brian gives her the hat as a last chance to redeem herself; she escalates instead. Brian formally trespasses her at ~3:57:26. Cindy refuses to leave for several minutes, arguing she wasn't trolling. Andrew Wilson and Bivo also tell her to leave. Cindy eventually escorted out.

Body count lying debate

After Cindy's removal, Saia raises point that women feel forced to lie about body count because men judge them for high numbers. Discussion on whether lying is justified, what happens when found out after 6 months or week before marriage. Jelle argues relationship should not start on a lie. Bivo gives hypothetical scenario.

Andrew Wilson and Cinderella: Catholicism and fertility

Andrew pushes back on Cinderella prioritizing medical career over early family. Argues Catholic Church calls for multiplying and fertile years peak in 20s. Cinderella says she goes to confession but does not agree with all Catholic teachings. Andrew asks why she calls herself Catholic if she picks and chooses. Brian says he would become Orthodox if he converted.

Man vs. Bear question

Standard question: walking alone in woods, encounter random man or random bear? Panel splits: some say bear, some say man. Mixed responses. Brief discussion.

Brian considers Orthodox Christianity

Brian reveals he has been watching YouTube videos about Orthodox Christianity and church history. Andrew Wilson excited; says his chat is in tears. Andrew invites Brian to attend one Orthodox liturgy with Rachel Wilson next week. Brian says if he becomes religious he would go all in, not half-assed. Described the heresy lore as fascinating.

Bumble swiping segment and age preferences

Guests set age ranges and swipe through 20 male Bumble profiles each. Most guests say no to nearly all profiles. Monae: prefers 19-21. Discussion of racial preferences in dating follows the segment. Chat heavily active during this segment.

Transcript

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Cindy Zangso please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead hi guys my name is Cindy Zang I am 24 years old I live

Saia Bellain Los Angeles and I am a only fans model model Entertainer all right welcome back Cindy what about you my

Saia Bellaname is Saia Bella I am 21 um from England so Manchester and I am an only fans model

Brian Atlasmassive slag massive slag uh what when you say massive slag I think that's a bit more of a like British UK term what for maybe educate the panel the viewers what what's a

Brian Atlasslag just someone that's everywhere so like a promiscuous woman a strumpet if you will a bike a strumpet Nick pull up that by the way one of you

Brian Atlasguys sent me this apparently in some video game I don't know which I don't know which one this is you guys probably know they have a strumpet in the video game I'm repop poiz the term strumpet uh

Brian Atlasso you're a strumpet then um apparently yeah well strumpet I feel like strumpet is less offensive than slag I feel like slag is an English one but it's pretty offensive even to

Brian Atlaslike to call a girl a slag is pretty offensive but you self-identify as a slag yeah okay so what P like what

Saia Bellacriteria do you have to meet to be a slag a high body count high high body count okay um should we do you want to just share it off the bat just um I'm good um but you do so you do have a high

Saia Bellabody count then I don't know well no but you you just defined yourself as a slag men think high body counts anything over two so yeah oh okay

Brian Atlaswell okay um and you so you're from the UK you do o you're here with your boyfriend well we have you introduce yourself Brandon

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusbeus known as bivo um I do Tik Tok I'm from Manchester and I'm hlag so you're you're you're also a I'm you're AAG slag yeah dirty slack you're you're a slag

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusdirty slag dirty slag dirty slag age uh 23 23 okay how did you guys meet I we met at an event and I see a slagging us and I thought BOS here we are getting

Brian Atlasthem DM and getting the sheets love [Music] it is this uh is this how long have you guys been dating uh 3 months years actually you know what I'll come back to the relationship stuff once we go around

Monaeagain but what about you U my name is is Monae I'm 19 I'm from Sacramento but and I'm a student at UCSB sack Town mhm okay yep what are you studying at UCSB film

Brian Atlasfilm and media studies and you're a sophomore junior a freshman oh freshman okay uh and so are you I'm assuming you're living in the dorms then is that correct I do unfortunately what about

Graci Monatayou my name is graci monata um I go to UCSB as well I'm studying sociology and I also live in well I live in the Ft dorms over there in iist

TTS/Chat readerokay and I'm 18 AG okay what do you what do you uh what's your major so oh whatever fan donated $200 I fancy to Shag that pink lady slag

Brian Atlasbloody hell sub okay uh sorry what what are you studying thank you thank you whatever fan thank

Alexyou whatever fan uh okay so all right what about you hi I'm Alex I'm a first year at Santa Barbara City college and

AlexI'm from the Bay Area originally and I'm an interior design major interior design okay age 19 okay and interior design I

Alexdidn't know they taught that well they don't teach it at UCSB they teach at Santa Barbara City College oh you go to CC yeah I go to CC um my mom's an interior designer back up in the bay so I see I'm doing it to help her with

Graci Monatait are you from NorCal too where where did you say from I'm from Bakersfield originally okay yeah we got two NorCal wait why that why that I'm from viia so oh my go okay yes yes yes the

Brian Atlasvalley did you know about going highi you don't know about going highi I mean I feel like I've heard that term before I feel I feel like well it's a NorCal thing but yeah it's like it was

Cinderellafrom like 20 years anyways okay uh what about you all right my name is Cinderella I'm 19 years old I go to UCSB as a Psy a psych and brain science major and I'm from LA love your name thank you

Cindy Zangthat's people would be like telling me that like if my name is like short for something and I would lie to them saying Cinderella when they were calling you I'm like looking up I'm like you're talking to me wait so that's your

Cinderellagovernment name Yes actually how do you how do you spell it s i n d e r like s i n sin Cinder my friends call me sin for short do do you also go by Cinder I go I could I go by like Cinder Cindy sin

Brian AtlasCinderella Ella Ella I don't really like Ella you don't like Ella why is that I feel like it's too simple I feel like you need to complicated okay all right and sorry where are you from again I'm from La La what part um Englewood area

JelleEnglewood okay cool what about you hello everyone my name is jelle I'm born and raised in Santa Barbara and right now I'm a personal SL office assistant for a mechanic shop and then I'm also going to

Jelleschool for um business and accounting did you say age oh 23 23 okay what's a office assistant for mechanics um do

Jellewell right now because it's such a small like um he's just starting off I mean he's been doing it for 3 years and it's a new business for him um I'm basically doing everything so like accounting

Jellemaking sure the finances are straight opening closing ADV voices and then just like his personal things like shopping walking his dogs did you really care

Brian AtlasCindy cating conversation what about you what about you job wanted to know oh because you've never had one I know I have had one I

Cindy ZangI'm just what's an office job I've been doing only f for too long yeah I kind I'm kind of numb I'm kind of numb to it

Michaelaask um my name is Michaela I am 24 years old um I helped manage a small production company and then have a couple other like streams of income to help um and then what was the last one

Michaelaoh I I currently live in Orange County but was from viia and I'm moving to Alabama so a lot of places what part like Tuscaloosa what part mobile no I'm

Michaelamoving to Birmingham Birmingham Alabama why you moving to Alabama um my husband and I are trying to pay off our student loans really quickly um so we were like just seeking like low rent so we can

Brian Atlasreally just throw our money at the loans save on the cost of living yeah it's it's expensive here in California so okay cool defitely uh guys so uh my Caucasian Andrew Wilson he will be

Brian Atlasjoining us a little bit later later on but uh something came up so he's going to call in probably in about two I think 2 hours uh he had an emergency so he will be joining us just a little bit

Brian Atlaslater on in the Stream so uh stay tuned for that we're going to go around the table once more what's everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship

Brian Atlasrelationship married polycule sex cold terum whatever it may be if you're single what's your longest relationship or excuse me not if you're single how long have you been single and what's the

Cindy Zanglongest relationship you've ever been in starting with you Cindy go ahead I am single and the longest relationship would be maybe like a few months I would

Cindy Zangsay um I date around here and there I'll just say 3 months what about you um in an open relationship oh you guys are in an open

Brian Atlasrelationship okay open all right how long have you been dating three months three months yeah okay all right and you guys said you met

Brian Atlasat the party was it or not an event an event okay a boxing event boxing event okay and let's see uh I assume you're also in a open relationship with yeah or

Brian Atlasis it it could be closed on your end no no it's yeah no we just we love it it's both open we just love it all right so open relationship uh so what does that look

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuslike for you guys since in an open relationship just sex G she having friends she brings me friends I'll bring her friends parties you you

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusbring her male friends yeah wait so your male friends will yeah what's the term shag yeah yeah shag

Brian Atlasa lot shagging um yeah just love it okay um have you always been into like this open Dynamic not really no until I met this slag here and the whole Whole New

Brandon 'Bivo' BeusWorld opened up you know so yeah it's it's been amazing it's been the best three months of my life so yeah can't so have you uh what's your longest relationship my longest probably was 3

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusmonths before her okay I got used um I got manipulated um just got Tre [ __ ] I'm sorry about that um yeah and then I just thought listen it's got to change and I

Brian Atlaswas very cled off on Tik Tok and doing very well and I thought this I want to live life so I at this one here and prior to uh meeting your current girlfriend never had like any sort of

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusopen Dynamic always like monogamous yeah but boring you live once in it so just yeah so she kind of convinced you to make it open not really she just made

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusme open my eyes and live life a bit you know and it's just again I don't want to live that boring life I don't want to have to get up at city o00 in the morning and get home at 7:00 at the night for basic money I want to live life make money and do a lot of shagging

Brian Atlasso yeah why not well couldn't you do that but still have a monogamous relationship what's the point in that that's not fun what's the point of having one person it's just boring do

Brian Atlasyou guys wear rubbers uh when we feel luck it yeah well I mean so the the one of the points of monogamy there's there's a few but uh I Pi my [ __ ] is as well that's kind of a

Brian Atlasout of pocket weird question no not really the point I was trying to make was is that like if you're having a lot of C casual sex there's a tendency to be

Brian Atlasthere's a greater likelihood of getting an STD well test it tested okay yeah so you test before you have sex with all your partners you test all of

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusthem yeah it's all planned it's all for the uh all for the spicy content so yeah it's all planned pre ahead go from there what I'm catching on I'm catching on yeah she knows she knows she knows the

Michaelarules if you know bivo she knows the rules talking about the whole time well I knew but like I get it for Content okay here I

Michaelaam what do you mean he said for content right yeah so this is on camera yeah you know interactions you're having yeah okay all all right yeah wait so you

Brian Atlasparticipate in her only fans do you get compensated she looks off Mia so you're the bread winner yeah I make bread I still do well on Tik Tok

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusyeah I still make money you got your own I still make money I'm not I'm not just a broke [ __ ] I'm not her I'm not a slave you know what I mean but uh I still do well I still do five figures a month how

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusmuch I do five figures a month still okay nice and that's just from like your what kind of content do you do on social media I do eating content eating content okay and I do nightclub appearances uh

Brian Atlaspromotions that's that's not including the sex work stuff no no no okay so I mean like since you're already making so much money I mean what's the incentive there to get involved in sex work more

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusmoney more money but you said you're already making like five fig but listen money is never enough I could go I could go and spend it quite quickly so yeah it's um you're always chasing the money always but you're always chasing the money into a

Brian Atlas925 anyway so I don't know how that's relevant to be honest now when you guys sleep with other people are you doing it together or will you sleep with girl on your own you'll sleep with on your own together always together yeah is there

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusany jealousy no ever that Springs up in your relationship having fun the only boundaries that we wouldn't sleep with other people by ourselves so and

Brian Atlasso I mean you're a successful guy you've got a pretty big following on social media I mean I guess what's the what was the draw to getting involved with doing

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusuh only fans like you you appear in her videos right yeah yeah I what's the draw there because I'm sure you could I'm just bored being the good guy I'm bored getting told by management saying oh wait wait for that wait for longevity

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuswait for the brand deals I'm like listen I've blown off on Tik Tok I'm trending I'm hot I want to live my life listen if I've got to go back to work in the next couple of years which I plan not to but it is what it is I've lived a good life

Cindy Zangyou know so I'm just living it up making the money if it all goes wrong so I be it from what I'm hearing it sounds like you wanted to like be your own BS like yeah yeah 100% because I used to do own

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusschedule and get I us construction and it was Dreadful I was getting off at sh the clock getting home at sh the clock sleeping shower shower as sleep back to

Monaework and yeah it was silly so I'm happy she's happy why not all right what about your uh relationship status um I'm in

Monaelike a situationship kind of but I'm definitely single so I it yeah okay so wait you're hold on definitely single but what I'm in a situ situationship but I'm still single oh you're in a

Brian Atlassituationship okay how long have you been in the situationship for for like 5 months now five months and uh is it long distance or his local guy um he's not

Brian Atlasthat far he's like two hours two hours okay and so would you like it to be more than what

Monaeit currently is um I feel like right now it's like I'm chilling like like what we have right now is just slow are you seeing other guys no is he seeing other

Brian Atlasgirls I don't know you don't know do you care not really no don't care okay are you like you're in a situationship with him are there like kind of other guys that you're like going on dates with

Brian Atlasmaybe not hooking up or anything like that no not really okay so situationship 5 months you don't want more though I mean eventually but not right now okay so you're just kind of fine with it being a bit more casual often did you

Brandon 'Bivo' Beussee him um a good like maybe once or twice a month what is that not that's not a

Monaerelationship though no yeah no that's I say relationship I said situationship I don't have to see him all the time like that I yeah I prefer that like that's fine with me okay and

Brian Atlasso was there ever like either from his end or from your end like hey I want something a bit more serious no nothing I mean yeah we talk like the

Brian Atlasfuture but right now no so you never like what you never had the talk like what is this where are we going do you want to be committed monogamous mm oh okay we did chilling just chilling and

Brian Atlasdo you have a roster or is this like genuinely the only guy he he the only one right now he's the only one okay all right what about you um right now I'm single single okay any prospects um no

Graci Monatano prospects no prospects I've been single though for only 4 months you've been single for four months okay longest relationship um a year and a half and

Graci Monatawhat about you longest relationship oh um three years three years okay so you've been single for four months no rebounds um okay wait okay yeah there

Brian Atlashas been rebounds has been rebounds yes there has plural what are we talking okay okay okay what are we talking maybe one or two maybe one or two three three or four maybe and so uh but no no

Graci Monataprospects currently or is there no no I'm not I'm C like currently I'm not looking for like a relationship cuz that relationship I went through too much to

Graci Monataeven want to think about that through too much one through too much how so um mommy issues on his part or yours mama's

Brian Atlasboy wor well what does that what does that mean for somebody to have U mom issues it can mean like a lot a lot of things a lot of different things yeah

Graci Monatabut I think in my circumstance he just really he he told me himself um like in any situation there was he would choose his mom over me and like I still stayed with him but

Graci Monatalike I was a very loyal girlfriend we had came even into college and you this is not a trauma dump but like this is what he told me and yeah like his mom was overbearing overbearing I have to

Graci Monatadefend him there though like as as a man your mommy's a woman it is it is and I gave him I always gave him respect and you know I stayed for you know the whole

Graci Monatatime um but at certain points it's better not to say certain things because that really hurt that really hurt during that time um so you ended the relationship yeah I ended the

Alexrelationship what about you um I'm single for how long um pretty much my whole life except for over uh winter

Alexbreak I started talking to this guy and he's from back home by the way so he's not from Santa Barbara and um we were like hanging out a lot going on like

Alexdates all the time and then I had to come back at like the end of January but then I come home every month still anyways so we hung out when I would come home and then we just like stopped

Alextalking just because he wasn't ready for a relationship but it was it was a relationship wait so when did this end um middle of March so St Patrick two months ago three

Alexmonths ago around St Patrick's Day who ended it um him he broke up with you broke up sure yeah he ended it did he say why yeah cuz he wasn't ready for a

TTS/Chat readerrelationship oh wasn't ready for a relationship okay how long was that relationship like beginning of January 2 grid One Motorsports donated

TTS/Chat reader$200 B I see you need backup put me in coach I will even play with half my brain tied behind my back to keep things Fair standing by to go from Zero to Hero

Brian AtlasH that's actually not a bad idea uh what does that mean let me let me see what we can do let me think about it um it might be let me let me think about a grid one

Brian AtlasI'll get through the uh relationship status stuff and uh thank you for the message man good to see you in the chat we might have to uh tag you in though um so okay go ahead I forgot

Brian Atlaswhat's your longest relationship like January to St Patrick's Day no no not that like your longest relationship or was that it that was it yeah so so 3 months three months three months three

Alexmonths okay yeah so you broke up with him any rebounds he broke up with me basically but no no rebounds no rebounds no prospects currently nothing I'm moving no talking stage I'm moving home next year back to the Bay area so I

Brian Atlasdon't really think it's worth you're not transferring to UCSB no and that wasn't my plan anyways for being here are you going to continue with school or no I'm just going to be working with my mom for her business okay so you're leaving

Cinderellapretty soon then yeah going back home soon okay yeah all right what about you I me I'm single how long have you been single um honestly there's been like guys but there's never been anything like really serious so I wouldn't

Cinderellaconsider anything that I've had a serious relationship what's the longest period of time that you've uh been in a talking stage situationship um I'd say like couple weeks couple months five months

Brian Atlasfive months yeah but you've never had title boyfriend girlfriend no I wouldn't say that no how long have you been single I guess you said your whole life yeah basically I that's what I consider on my stand are you talking to anybody

Brian Atlasright now even very early on superficial um I'd like to say yes probably you'd like to say yes what would he like to say we don't know you don't know uh how long have you been seeing this maybe guy

Jelleuh this is about like a month now one month yeah okay it's fresh all right pretty Fresh So talking stage all right what about you um I've only had one relationship it lasted for

Jellea year we broke up I think like a month ago um and it's a little complicated cuz he's technically my boss

Jelleoh huh yeah literally when you met was he your a boss no um I was working at a dispensary in town and that's how I met

Jellehim and then we kind of started talking and then we stopped and then I met him um downtown on my birthday and then we started talking and then he convinced me

Jelleto start working for him and then it was a whole year and it was very serious and then just [ __ ] hit the fan kind of sounds like a wrong C I watched

Jelleright yeah definitely watched that on Netflix before so you're dating one year it ended a month ago who who broke up with who he did why why did he break up with you um he said it was too much for him I think I was just too much of a

Jellewoman to be honest and he just couldn't handle it too much of a woman yeah what does that mean well honestly I was like a wife without a ring I was like cooking cleaning like literally wiping his ass

JelleI'm just kidding wait hold on are you sure you're using literally correctly I wasn't wiping his ass so you were figuratively yeah like I was washing his clothes and then and then I

Jelleobviously can't like blame this all on him because no one was like putting a gun in my head and wanting to do this it's just cuz I genuinely thought this was going to be like a long-term kind of

Jellething um but yeah you know things happen and you got to keep on going so you were doing like wifey things yeah without the ring yeah so you said you were cooking

Jelleyes cleaning yes were you living with him um I was leaving living with him like part-time I would like sleep over on the weekends but we would literally see each other every day and his place

Jelleor yours um his place and then we would go to work together but you would only Crash from like Thursday through Sunday were you paying rent no okay but you did

Jellehave like yeah I had like he definitely took care you you live with your parents right yeah he definitely took care of me for sure but there was like obviously but you were doing a lot of the domestic

Jellechores yes so cooking cleaning anything else just cooking um besides cooking cleaning um washing clean uh and like doing the whole office work I felt like

Brian Atlasit was a lot I felt like I definitely well he was paying you for that right like when you were working for him or not yeah he was but it was like like

Jelleonce a month what do you mean once a month uh uh like he would only pay me a certain amount once a month and then oh like a flat fee yeah no like a salary

Jelletechnically yes was it like official job yeah it was an official job oh so sketchy no was because I thought like this was a long term and I wanted to build this business with him like I

Jellewanted to it was like a mama pop shop and I wanted to build it from the ground up and I even went to he even paid to like for me to go to school to do the business and accounting degree so it's

Jellelike oh he PA for your school oh definitely yes at city college yes how much for someone local that's usually well because I also a couple thousand a

Jellesemester or something yeah but I also applied for like scholarships and then um because I also was uh a local they did give me half of the Year free for

Jellebeing like it's called The Promise program yeah for like local high school students or something yeah so I got that too so it wasn't that much but still like he pushed me to be better in certain ways so that's why it kind of it was did he pay for your textbooks and

Brian Atlasstuff yes that's why I was a bit blindsided when like stuff when he said he didn't want to be with me anymore uh did you have a car would he would he help out with other

Jellekinds of expenses yeah um well I had a car and it like wasn't like ideal and so we decided to uh sell it but then my mom

Jellegave it away to a friend so I couldn't even sell that so then he was kind enough to let me like use his car and then now that like we broke up that [ __ ]

Jellewas like yanked so I basically stared everything from the beginning like putting back all the pieces so it's a it's been very um difficult for me but also like very liberating because like

Jelleyeah you know sometimes you get so caught up and comfortable in a situation and then like when you like get out of it even if you don't want to it you know

Brian Atlasyou start to realize like oh [ __ ] things are going to be okay okay and so what was the thing that you said earlier about you were doing wifey [ __ ] but you

Brian Atlasdidn't have a ring something like that I don't know yeah um can you elaborate like what do you mean by that no what I just wanted I don't want to twist your

Jellewords what what did you say kind of in that sense oh that like I felt like I was doing everything when it comes

Jelleto um like personal stuff when it came to cleaning and cooking and just providing for him all around and did you feel that that wasn't

JelleFair um I felt like it wasn't fair because I he would make me feel like I wasn't doing enough and I felt like you know I'm I'm a person who loves hobbies

Jelleand to do stuff so I just felt like that took so much of my time and him for him to debunk that and say that I don't do anything around anywhere you know that it just felt like a little

Jelledegrading so what were some of the things he wanted you to do that you were not already do I have no clue oh he didn't tell you no he would just say I wasn't doing enough and that he was doing everything I think maybe it was

Jelletowards like the office work sure it's just because like well this was this job was new for me too so okay and there was no like uh training so I was I felt like I was in the water trying to figure

Brian Atlaseverything out especially since like it's really important paperwork and you know does anybody know what that saying is like don't do wifey [ __ ] for yeah does anybody like I've heard this term used what anybody knows

Michaelaspecifically what it is I think it's like don't don't give it don't give him the husband treatment until he puts a ring on it oh yeah don't do wifey stuff for a boyfriend don't do wifey stuff for a

Brian Atlasboyfriend okay yeah I [ __ ] up but I mean he was he was paying for your school hold on he was paying for your school M you're pretty much living with him you you were at his place every

Brian Atlassingle day sleeping there 3 4 days a week he was paying for your bucks he helped you out with a car or he let you borrow his car correct he was paying for everything within the

Jellehousehold I think that's a fair tradeoff no no definitely but then when it when it looks like that but then it the

Jelledisrespect starts rolling in and how did he disrespect you H let's see well for starters again the whole like me telling

Jelletelling me that I haven't done enough um and like stepping over some boundaries that I

Jellespecifically said and then he would still repeat those those disrespect for those certain boundaries may I ask what those are the boundaries well for

Jellestarters I felt really like awkward when I found like a lot of his ex like belongings and then like him following

Jelleher on uh Instagram and I told him like you know I understand if you guys ended in good terms but like that is something that I don't feel comfortable especially with finding out certain other things

Jellethat I wouldn't want to say cuz I feel like in respect of him um and then being defensive then also like finding like I don't know it gives me

Jellelike I guess the ick when I find like a certain guy following like multiple women who like are just exposing your and I understand like that's how the

Jelleculture that we're living in but if you from my perspective I would love to know that I am just like the only person you like see like their Muse even though I know that's not true cuz like there's a

Jellebunch of beautiful women out there that obviously when you're on Instagram like that's going to come up and I don't mind it but I also don't it's a whole another thing when you're in a committed relationship and you're liking commenting like all these like pics and

Jellelike me telling them like hey like I don't really appreciate that and then in him instead of him like saying you know like I get it it's not a big deal but I will do this for you instead he just gets defensive and saying that like I'm

Cindy Zangcrazy and insecure but it's totally not that did you see him liking and commenting underneath like the girls oh wow that's like that's actually disrespectful right that is yeah well

Jellecommenting as well huh commenting as well yeah he would comment on them and then like I is crazy and then him just being like you're crazy and I'm just like bro wait so here I'm going to get

Michaelayour relationship status we'll kind of come back to the like wifey duties and stuff go ahead yes uh I'm married and we've been together for 5 years um but we've been married for 18 months

Michaelacongratulations congratulations married 18 months how old are you again uh 24 when did you get

Michaelamarried what what age I was wait hold on I had just turned 23 yes so I'm 24 and

Brian AtlasA2 okay and you've been together since you were like 19 uh yes yeah okay and I'm assuming this is your longest relationship that's correct okay cool uh so going around the table kind of on her

Jellething about how she was doing like wely duties for now were you kind of resenting that a little bit no I that was a dream of mine I loved to provide and take care of him I think that's like

Brian Atlasa labor of love and you know so do you guys think like there's this term I I don't know the specific term but something along the lines of don't do wifey [ __ ] for a guy who's not your husband do you guys agree with that

Cindy Zanggoing around the table starting with Cindy um I wouldn't say like husband but like someone that you're not sure about like you're allowed to do wifey stuff if you're in a relationship with just like

Brian Atlasboyfriend yeah with your boyfriend like you know [ __ ] what about even very early on first second third date even no no e gross right okay what about

Cindy Zangwhat about you Sophia can um so sorry wait what's up I uh can can we just like describe what wifey stuff like cook clean like fold their laundry that's

Cindy Zanglike the whole of it nothing else Reser I mean like it's just like being in a secure relationship what would the girl do in the relationship but that would that would

Cindy Zangbe you talking like sex yeah yeah like a sex a wifey thing yeah yeah okay yeah like have sex with him like you know yeah but people do that [ __ ] with him without being [Music]

Cindy Zangall the time but you know that's included in the package but yeah okay so so we are including being a wife what is what is the definition of a wife to you

Michaelato me yeah oh it's it's love and commitment lifelong until death do us part so that's in sickness and in health

Michaelaand the good and the bad so yeah whatever he wants I'll do that for him and if I need something he'll do that for me so

Saia Bellathat's okay uh so feel what about you um I can't cook and I can't clean um mhm but I can suck dick oh yeah so

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuswhat um I think I'm more of the wife in a relationship I do the cooking cleaning um you where you do in you do the cooking and clean it's just calm it's chill I don't mind doing it okay but I

Saia Bellabring them on holidays and I buy them nice clothes and so on so on so yeah I have more of the masculine R she's the bread winner are you the bre

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusbread winner you're the bread winner but when when she tells you to bark a wolf you know what I mean so say woof tell me tell me to F [ __ ]

Background/minor (Nick/production)woof woof I'm crying that's cute okay all right um I your thoughts

Brandon 'Bivo' Beuson this I love being a wife I love it love love it I love it claim what about you um I honestly forgot the question what it what's it

Brian Atlasfeel to be a wife no what was it so it's like do you think you should be doing wifey stuff for a guy who's not

Brian Atlaslike husband or even boyfriend no shouldn't be doing that okay what about you um I agree but like I'm the type of person to it depends if I really like

Graci Monatayou I'm going to get attached and then I'll do the things I agree I agree with her cuz I do that too yeah because I just want to take care of them if if I like they you good like it's like it's like small steps to show that you could

Alexbe wife that I could be wife and you know tase them in tase them into the rooming what about you um well regarding the sexual aspect I'm a virgin

Alexand and I'm actually waiting until marriage so that's like where that part would play into that so being a wife marriage that you're waiting till

Alexmarriage yes um are you religious you're you're waiting I'm not waiting till marriage because of religion um I'm

AlexJewish so I'm feeding into that whole like thing like no that's not why but um it's just my personal choice because I feel like the world we're in now is just not

Alexsomewhere where I'd want sorry where I would want to insert myself with guys who just won't want to be serious especially in Santa Barbara so true that I personally feel like Santa Barbara is

Alexhard for me to find someone that's like wanting to commit wait so you're not hold on wait so you like you're not a born- again virgin like no I'm like a

Brian Atlasstraight up straight up 19 and a few months being one wait okay wait yeah like my whole life

Brian Atlasokay cuz I'm 19 in like months um yeah and so you're you're like are you waiting for like you want to wait until marriage or what if you just meet that guy who you're like I really like this

Alexguy you've been dating for a while well that too I just want to make sure I'm with like the right person but so far I haven't found the right person that I'd want to be with so my limits like waiting until did that play a factor in

Alexyour little fling you had from January to St Patrick's Day yeah so he's religious too he's Catholic um but like he's not really he's not a virgin but

Alexthat doesn't matter to me it's just whether if like you're a good person did that push him away with the sexual aspect honestly no no it didn't fair play it didn't but um and I asked him too I was like if we want to continue

Michaelabut he just wasn't ready for relationship are you uh religiously Jewish or or uh ethnically Jewish or

Brian Atlasboth uh religiously religiously Jewish okay yes yes yes okay so wifey duties not until it doesn't apply at the moment but um okay sure what about you um me

Cinderellapersonally I feel like I want to like get a grasp of a guy's character before I like kind of do that so technically no I I wouldn't agree with like doing wifey duties for a guy that I don't think

Michaelawould give me that but if I do find that I would have no issue what about you oh well we kind of already talked about it your thoughts on this um yes I I would say don't don't do that don't do that

Brian Atlasyou're just going to get yourself in a mess yes okay I have a question kind of related to this going around the table like on the first date you think do you guys think a guy should pay for the

Brian Atlasfirst date yes sopia with Val you I mean I've had it quite a lot where I pay for the first date but that it's more like to

Saia Bellashow the dominance if that makes sense for the for the guy to pick no for me a pair for for you well yeah you want it depends how the date goes and who's like insinuated it if that makes sense

Monaewhat about you what do you think yeah I've always paid tried I've tried to pay with her but yeah I would say yeah but me personally I would pay too so it doesn't really matter to me okay it wouldn't be like cuz we've had Girls show I would be like tripping at all

Graci Monatayeah we've had girls who come on the show say oh if he didn't pay for the first dat wouldn't be a second yeah no I wouldn't care what about for you um well I've been in like both I've had to pay

Graci Monatafor like $60 worth of like sushi for the first date and like it didn't go far after that so I feel like yeah because you split no because I paid oh you paid the whole thing yeah okay yeah didn't go

Graci Monatawell because you paid the whole thing well I paid and I was like I didn't make a big deal of it like I didn't make a big deal of it um but then the next the next time we went around we went to

Graci MonataChipotle and that's only like 20 bucks and he made me like pay again I was like oh this is absurd and I was like there's no there's no third date there was no third date like if I'm just going to be your sugar mom then what's the point of

Graci Monatame being here like and there was no label I was just that was a situation you paid for the first you paid for the second wait what did did you did you guys like had you guys been hooking up no you didn't hook up at all no no

Alexhooking up no he just wanted the freebies he wanted the free got it a legend okay what about you um should guy pay for the first dat I believe it doesn't hurt to ask like to offer if

Alexlike is it okay like that type of thing or like going for the purse yeah you want get it yeah like it doesn't hurt to offer but you want the guy to pay anyways well with my experience the guys have paid so it's okay they'll be like

Cinderellait's okay what about you yeah me I feel like the guy should pay and but if he does it it's not going to be like a oh a argument towards me but if he makes it a problem like a oh you should pay that type of thing and he actually makes it

Cinderellaan argument that's what I'll be like yeah no cuz I feel like it should just be like the courtesy in your heart to want to pay for me mhm okay uh yeah I agree with Alex like I

Michaelawould offer but you know you want the guy to pay of course yeah yeah I I want the guy to pay my my husband paid throughout our whole

Brian Atlasrelationship I never once paid for a date perod well and I ask I asked this question because there's this interesting thing because I hear this Trope I hear it on Tik Tok of okay hold

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TTS/Chat readerto get some skills training a man sweats beta tears let's go I didn't understand a word of that is that broken American

Brian Atlasor what grid is he speaks in uh he's like Haus hius it's like a hi coup he's like a poet he's like Shakespeare Shakespeare kind of Shakespeare's

Brian AtlasEnglish like an American Shakespeare you know what I mean yeah um do you pay for the first St uh it depends it depends I've had now I

Brian Atlaskind of I've changed my position on this a little bit are you single huh you single I can't disclose that but but uh you're an open relationship so well here's the thing right okay so here's my

Brian Atlasview here's my view on this so when it comes to paying for the first dat my view is is that you got a lot of modern women out there especially if you're dating in California all these girls super liberal super feminist don't

Brian Atlasbelieve in traditional gender roles modern women probably dating multiple men very good chance they're even having sex with multip multiple men you don't always know until even further on in the relation not not relationship but after

Brian Atlasdating them for a bit if they're going to reveal if they're involved with other guys it could just be dating could be hooking up my personal view is it's a big [ __ ] L to like do the traditional thing for a girl that is [ __ ] another

Brian Atlasdude that's a massive H but you're not together no huh you're not together so why does it matter what do you mean like you're saying about your wife about what she's doing what you're doing like ah so in the same way that a lot of the girls

Brian Atlashere were like well you shouldn't do wiely duties yeah for guy who's not your boyfriend not your husband or whatever I think being a provider is like a more

Brian Atlastraditional gender role boyfriend role husband role in that scenario I don't think you should be providing for a woman who's sleeping with another guy or

Brian Atlasdating other men you know and I know you guys do the poly thing but like just off would you be sleeping with other people as well no or seeing anyone else no no

Brian AtlasI'm I'm kind of like I laser in like if I'm interested in a girl like I'm going to pursue it if it works great if it doesn't I'm moving on but I'm not like trying to be dating like five chicks at a time sleeping with multiple girls at a

Brandon 'Bivo' Beustime not really my thing you would if you could though oh I could I know you could but you probably would or you what do you mean cuz again like we again I'm a boy I know how boys think and it's

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusjust like I get zoned in like well once I know that woman it's fair and it's that woman but like these boys oh yeah this and that but sure do you do you really play that or is that just uh okay

Brian AtlasI'm I'm just messaging her you ain't got like five things on the side you're a businessman right yes yes of course and you're you're self-employed yes do you do you grind do you hustle hustle yeah of course yeah you work a lot right

Brian Atlasyou're a busy guy right I'm busy yeah but let me ask does it take a lot of time to date like seeing chicks it's a lot of it's a lot of time right but here and there and well here's the other thing you probably like I'm

Brian Atlasassuming you get like DMS from girls who are pre interested in you right yeah like do you remember dating how it was before you got clout oh [ __ ] I I didn't even get look you if you were on a dating app bro you'd have to message

Brian Atlaslike 20 chicks and then you get one date and then 50% chance she's going I T her for a day before I met her and I had 300 matches yeah it takes a while it's a lot of time if you're like a normal guy like the average guy you can't message more

Brian Atlasthan one though yeah you can but it's still like a massive time commitment and for me I've always been like on my hustle on my grind I don't have time to be juggling like 5 10 girls so at least for me what I found to be most

Brian Atlasbeneficial to like business and hustling one girl at a time I can't do like the juggling be C at her for seeing other men if she's not busy and she's just living her life no wait I can't what you can't moan at her for seeing chatting to

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusother men dat I wouldn't date her but you're not official so what's what do you mean you're you're not together yeah you might be texting her but you're not official as soon as you send that first text well so so I would say to your

Brian Atlaspoint that definitely a lot of women modern women are entertaining multiple options absolutely 100% sometimes you won't know but there there are actually girls out there that do date

Brian Atlasintentionally and will only date one person at the time and so those are the kind of girls that I'm interested in a girl who's like genuinely single properly single it's hard to find that kind of girl but a girl who's properly

Jellesingle yeah that's the con girl but you can't again this is what I'm going back to you can't complain if you're not officially together if she is talking to other guys seeing other options seeing oh she can do what she wants I'm just not going I think he complaining I think

Jellehe was just like explaining his uh preference and like like we all know time is money someone is not aligning to you you have judge women for having options that's all I'm trying to say that's why I'm trying to get P that's

Brian Atlasall oh yeah they have a lot of options but I just wouldn't want to pursue a woman for example I I remember back when I was doing the dating app thing I was on a date with this girl she just downloaded hinge I think

Brian Atlaswe went on the first date we went on the first date she had been on the app for three three days four days she told me she'd already been on two dates she'd had three dates lined up I lost interest

Brian Atlasimmediately like I don't want to pursue a girl who's like date even if she's not sleeping with them she she's searching for the right man this what I don't care don't care don't care I don't want to date I don't want to date a girl who

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusmoves like that doesn't interest me you don't believe in like you don't if you're not if you single you're going to struggle to find a girl I'll tell you that now but if you're if you're taken if you're taking fair play

Michaelaif you're taking fair play but you're struggle your struggle is fine fine I think the struggle is worth the time though if you're getting the person that you really want and the person that aligns with your values that again time is money we're businessmen and we're not

Michaelagetting any younger we're getting older so you're losing valuable years so I want to live life and have fun so isn't that okay for men to get older and then nice white hair and the wrinkles I don't I don't really fantasy the white hair

Brian Atlashon much no personal preference I say I mean so just bringing it back to like who should pay my position used to be is like look I was on the dating apps I was going out with girls who in all

Brian Atlaslikelihood you know this is kind of before I became aware of some of the you know the dating meta is I just wouldn't pay for them I wouldn't pay for the I I'd split you know I'd pay for my [ __ ] she could pay for hers but I'm like

Brian Atlasyou're dating other dudes you're probably like here here's the scenario I like to give like it's massive l to go on a date with a girl and then pay like y you do the you do everything right you pay for the date you take her to a nice

Brian Atlasdinner she gets uh you know she doesn't eat everything she gets a doggy bag to go gives you an ass out hug at the end of the day oh it was a good good date and then she brings that doggy bag back

Brian Atlasshe meets up with her [ __ ] buddy who by the way never had to take her on a date never paid for anything just some like hot attractive dude or whatever she gives him the food that you paid for he eats it then he [ __ ] her sounds like

Brian Atlastoo like bro girls move like that move like that not all girls not all women I feel like if you come into the situation thinking like that though you're not going to find nothing good yeah I agree

Cindy Zangyou attract you attract what you think no yes you I avoid that I avoid that but you sub subconsciously think I mean you're that's how that's how your mindset is right now you're

Cindy Zanglike oh I don't trust I don't trust girls I think pay for like this you have to behind you it's like now so my view providing for a girl that's reserved for your girlfriend that's reserved for your

Graci Monatagirlfriend like I I'm not going to do that for some like situationship oh she's dating other dudes not interested yeah like the havies I don't think honestly like in my opinion if it's the

Brian Atlasfirst date I think hav is like fine you pay for your stuff I pay for mine but if I can add a caveat to that I'm also not stuck in like 5 month situationships like if I like a girl it's pretty quick

Brian Atlaslike that [ __ ] Miley Cy song like a wrecking ball like I'm coming in like a [ __ ] Whirlwind like I'm not going to do this thing where it's like well uh we're going to be in a situationship for 6 months no I'm going to be like pretty

Brian Atlasquick like I like you you like me like this is and like like let's make this work yeah yeah I'm not going to do this like vague [ __ ] so yeah do you do you always date from dating apps no I got

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusrid of that [ __ ] like a year ago you have a misses then huh you have a misses no I just got rid of it well I got banned actually I got banned from I got

Cindy Zangbanned from got wife at home no no no but I got banned from uh oh cuz I was like using it to like get guests for the show oh no way I was even I wasn't even trying to actually with for streams

Brian Atlasyou're not the only one after a while I was I mean I I was like back in the day using it like for dating and stuff but then when I started the podcast I was like let me just ask girls to be on the show like whatever and then I finally

Cindy Zanggot I know that he found girls on hinge to found girls on hinge yeah to like just connect he's like well girls do

Cindy Zangthat [ __ ] like oh here's my only fans hey some girls do some girls like you

Michaelaknow guys be trying to find girls to manage but uh yeah I don't know it's uh fism Le let's say you you did meet this girl and it wasn't on a dating app would

Michaelayou and and you see them every week and you know they're very single and you're like you're cultivating relationship before you actually want to date M what would that change your opinion about

Brian Atlaspaying for the first date well here's where my position kind of evolved so I mean the old the the best move is in terms of success would to just be pay

Brian Atlasfor the date like that's my advice for guys like just pay for the date because it's never going to be a negative it's either going to be a neutral or a positive whereas if you offer to split it could be a negative it's never going to be a positive it's either going to be

Brian Atlasa neutral or it's going to be a negative for some cohort of women some women are going to be like oh he just I've heard this on the show oh he just viewed me as a

Brian Atlasfriend or they'll just be like a I'm not interested so I think the best move for a guy is to pay but I kind of stood on principal I feel like if you don't I'm

Brian AtlasMy Own biggest [ __ ] block you don't you don't know how many girls I've talked out of [ __ ] me okay okay but if you don't pay for the first day what but why

Brian Atlaslike oh cuz I'm just I'm kind of like pretty honest like I don't yeah and I'll just like if something comes in my mind I'll just say

Brian Atlasit like no filter okay so yeah I mean uh and I'm probably autistic too so oh okay

Graci Monatabut I feel like usually well in my case the first date is usually casual and it like it shouldn't be too crazy like sushi I mean that was cuz I really liked

Graci Monatahim but but like last time I went to Cane's and that's like 30 bucks and if you can't pay as a man for 30 bucks like that just shows me like I don't want to be with you you know if you can't even provide for the first date 30 bucks like

Michaelathat's that's nothing and that's the question that comes up is that can you provide for me yeah exactly but so what so but let me ask so so why people don't

Brian Atlaswant to be provided for but question for you why should a guy pay like what's the argument for why they should do it because like not Cindy well I'll get you

Graci Monatain a sec go ahead H I just feel like courtesy I feel like if I'm me personally if I want to date a dude like I would want him to provide for me and even in the slightest form because you

Graci Monataare so right the especially these Cali Girls we are very independent very very um you know modernized modernized you know all these girls are feminists y

Graci Monatawell most of them but some of them some of them but it just like depends but I feel like yeah that was definitely me I'm sorry it wasn't

Graci Monatame I feel like yeah like I just want to be like if bro if you can't pay 30 bucks for the first date then you know I wouldn't mind doing havsies either but it's like knowing that you can provide that and knowing that you did that

Graci Monatalittle small gesture it's really nice it just feels it goes a long way and I feel like as a girl even like the bare minimum like that makes me that makes me go crazy I feel like no matter the

Alexgender though you should be able to have like the $115 in the bank account no matter what just just to be like ready and prepared for it exactly but okay but all the things that you

Brian Atlasdescribed like you could just flip that around and say the girl should do that too so there's something very specific about it being a man that should pay that's gendered so why should a man pay

Brandon 'Bivo' BeusI mean if you look at the society that we're in right now I mean it's kind of self-explanatory yeah yeah bet men have to be successful to date I think like again it's it's a Scarface saying get the money then get get the women so I

Brandon 'Bivo' Beusfeel like you you've got to have some level of success MoneyWise not clout but like if you are a bum and you're sitting at home doing nothing and got nothing in the bank why you're

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