Brian REJECTS Her?! Andrew Wilson FERAL Debate! Born Again Virgins vs. ØF Girls! | Dating Talk #141
Date: 2024-03-06
Duration: 5h 38m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Britney Crisp(guest)
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Claire(guest)
SPEAKER_04Madison(host)
SPEAKER_05Shy Matthews(guest)
SPEAKER_06Jasmine Rose(guest)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Alexis Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11Darra(guest)
SPEAKER_13Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_14Monica(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:21
QuoteBrian Atlas self-identifies as host; notes he's sick and lost his notes.
“I'm your host Brian Atlas... I'm a little sick tonight guys... my Dropbox lost all my notes so it's going to be a scuff stream”
00:02:31
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible debate channel.
“my name is Andrew Wilson host of The One and Only Crucible one of the fastest if not the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube”
00:07:00
ControversyShy Matthews opens by criticizing the show for casting stones at women; Brian pushes back saying those words never left his mouth.
“I think that the point of the show... tends to like cast stones at certain women... as a Christian I feel like that's not what Jesus calls us to do”
00:36:24
QuoteJasmine Rose declares everyone is a 10/10 through spiritual lens, refusing to rate anyone on looks.
“I believe everyone's a 10 out of 10 and your husband or your wife will think so as well because God Hand picked them for you”
00:37:07
Key MomentAndrew Wilson cross-examines Jasmine Rose's claim she has no physical preferences, using Brad Pitt vs Joe Biden comparison.
“if I showed you say a picture of Brad Pit when he was young and and then a picture of Donald Trump currently... would you prefer dating just based off of their level of attractiveness”
00:52:15
Key MomentBrian points out Jasmine Rose's last boyfriend was 6 feet tall despite her claiming no physical preferences.
“how tall was your last boyfriend... six foot... so only 15% of men in this country are 6 foot or taller... maybe it's just happen stance”
04:02:01
QuoteBody count round: Madison (co-host) discloses 100+ body count.
“100 over 100 I don't know but you think it's around 100 probably over 100”
05:01:00
ControversyShy Matthews asks to leave early due to discomfort with explicit sexual content discussion. Brian calls her 'whiny'.
“if this is kind of the rest of the topic I might have nothing to contribute to that and it's not making me comfortable... if I can leave early”
05:02:32
ControversyAndrew Wilson calls Shy Matthews' virtue signaling 'sickening' and calls her 'weak'.
“your virtue signaling is sickening... you need to strengthen your Constitution... weak”
05:24:00
Key MomentBrian rejects Darra's offer to 'smash', citing her sexual history as disqualifying.
“I appreciate the the offer my dear but I must politely turn you down because I just I can't date a woman who's had carnal knowledge”
05:26:00
QuotePanel asks Brian who on the panel he would pick; Brian says Jasmine Rose (Cheyenne) is attractive but her past disqualifies dating.
“Cheyenne's a pleasant person she's very attractive but because of her past indiscretions unfortunately”
05:26:48
Key MomentAndrew says he has more respect for the OF girls than for Shy Matthews, for being honest.
“I have more respect for the girls on the right side of the table because I at least felt like they were trying to be honest”
Topics Discussed
00:00:06
Guest introductions and relationship status
Guests introduce themselves with name/age/occupation/location. Go around table for relationship status and longest relationship.
00:07:00
Christian ethics and show criticism (Shy Matthews)
Shy Matthews critiques the show for 'casting stones'. Andrew Wilson debates her on Protestant theology, Biblical interpretation, and religious hypocrisy.
00:30:03
Self-ratings: wife scale and looks scale
Brian asks each guest to rate themselves on the wife scale (0-10) and then the looks scale. Jasmine Rose refuses citing 'everyone is a 10'. Lengthy debate about subjectivity of ratings.
00:51:00
Born-again virgins vs OnlyFans girls debate
Main debate of episode: religious/celibate guests (Shy, Jasmine) vs OnlyFans guests (Britney, Darra, Alexis). Topics: body count, sexual history, traditionalism.
01:44:00
Darra: nursing career vs OnlyFans
Darra defends her decision to leave nursing (13 years, neonatal ICU) for OnlyFans due to pay/stress. Discussion on nurses as 'red flags' in relationships.
02:00:00
Alexis Morgan: sugar daddies and escorting
Alexis discusses having three sugar daddies, prior escorting career (hundreds of clients), and how she considers the arrangements non-romantic.
04:01:41
Body count round
Brian asks each guest for body count. Results: Britney 100+; Darra ~30-50; Alexis 15 males/~80 females; Jasmine Rose ~hundreds (declined specifics); Shy abstained; Claire ~5-6; Monica 0; Lexi unknown.
04:05:00
Traditionalism debate
Andrew Wilson leads discussion on traditionalism. Multiple OF guests claim to believe in traditional values while acknowledging their careers contradict it.
04:30:00
Pornography, human trafficking, and health impacts
Andrew argues pornography contributes to human trafficking and mental illness. Darra and Alexis push back defending the industry.
05:00:00
Shy Matthews wants to leave early
Shy Matthews, uncomfortable with sexual topic discussion, asks to leave early. Brian tells her she's been 'whiny'. Andrew calls her 'weak'. Other guests critique her constitution.
05:15:00
Pro-life vs pro-choice round
Quick round: positions on abortion. Darra (nurse): pro-life after 4-6 weeks having seen fetuses at 22 weeks. Others mixed.
05:20:00
Birth control and cosmetic surgery discussion
Who's on birth control. Britney discusses breast reduction/lift. Discussion on natural vs surgically altered bodies.
05:24:00
Brian rejects Darra's offer / panel picks
Darra says she'd 'smash' Brian. Brian says he must 'politely turn her down' due to her sexual history. Panel jokes about who Brian would pick. Brian says Cheyenne (Jasmine Rose) is attractive but her past disqualifies her.
05:30:00
Wrap-up and outro
Brian thanks Andrew Wilson and the panel. Apologizes for being sick. Shy and Brian reconcile. Show closes.
Transcript
Page 5 of 6
03:44:53
Brian Atlasmen watching
03:44:58
Brian Atlasuh that's that's a bad deal that's a raw deal for for men so uh I do not recommend dating women who have
03:45:09
Brian Atlaspreviously been promiscuous excuse me who have previously been sexually promiscuous that is a judgment because you call I'm fine with
03:45:18
Brian AtlasJud but see I'm cool with judgment see when you guys like to point the finger but like women are when it comes to selecting Partners you guys are
03:45:29
Brian Atlasruthless men ask for very very little from women when it comes to dating but you guys will literally have laundry lists of what you need now just because you guys will say well I don't
03:45:40
Brian AtlasI'll date an obese person which I think ultimately is Cap but the reality is women are incredibly picky women are the much they're the more uh sexually
03:45:51
Brian Atlasselective sex there's an evoy basis for that there's a biological basis for that so how are you going to tell me about I'm being judgmental but y'all are super
03:46:02
Brian Atlasjudgmental would you dat a guy who's shorter than you I have would you okay the guy who you're ultimately going to marry would you would he be shorter than
03:46:12
Brian Atlasyou no you don't care at all I don't how tall is your current guy he's 61 he's 61 conveniently women always say well I don't really care about height but when you ask them about their past partners
03:46:24
Brian Atlasand their current Partners they're all conveniently 61 62 63 6 feet he's the first guy I've ever dated that's over 6 foot I think we care to an extent for
03:46:35
Britney Crispsure about height you don't care at all about height care the taller than got honest you said shorter you don't care about if they're like three four why wouldn't you date a
03:46:47
Brian Atlasdwarf stop why are you laughing that's really rude that you're there are men who are genuinely dwarves why are you laughing that's rude so I'm just giving you guys back what
03:46:58
Unknownyou've been giving me I get it I gave my honest opinion on it I why wouldn't you date a dwarf that's a judgment I would date a dwarf that's really rude of you that you
03:47:10
Brian Atlaswouldn't date a dwarf I'm like I'm this Pious person who like I am this Paragon of non-judge mentality you nonjudgment you date a dwarf when not only girl
03:47:22
Brian Atlasyou don't judge I would dwarf is preferable like no dwarf is way preferable I don't judge you just said I don't judge I like short women short
03:47:30
Britney Crispwomen I'm a fan I'm a fan so it says in Titus it says in Titus for Christians to make good judgments upon themselves cuz if we don't judge at all then we won't
03:47:42
Andrew Wilsonmake the right decisions and the right discernment they're making a compation between judging for uh Salvation and making judgments in reality there's a distinction Christians we have to make judgments all
03:47:55
Andrew Wilsonthe time especially about the value of Truth we have to so we use a COR a mixture of a correspondence theory of Truth along with some other theories of
03:48:02
Andrew Wilsontruth but things that which corresponds with reality is true and so so it's it's okay to make judgments it's not okay to
03:48:14
Andrew Wilsonmake judgments about a person's salvation that's there's a distinction to be made here that's why I don't understand you're like and I hear this all the time you're not allowed to judge because you're a that's I have to make judgments every single day I
03:48:27
Shy Matthewshave to make judgments about whether to turn right or left when I'm on the road you know those are judgment calls so when James says don't judge and there's scripture that says not to judge sinfully cuz I believe that we need to
03:48:39
Shy Matthewsmake judgments to decipher between right or wrong but there's a sinful inclination behind that and I think perhaps I'm not really sure like some of the women are confused like what you
03:48:49
Shy Matthewsmean by judgment like the definitions are not clear for them but um what are your like thoughts on that when the Book
03:48:58
Shy Matthewsof James literally says not to judge people in a sinful way because do you believe that we can judge sinfully I don't even understand what
03:49:10
Brian Atlasthe question I have a quick question the question is I got a quick question would it be sinful judgment for me to for example when I'm assessing who I would
03:49:20
Brian Atlaslike to date sleep with get into a long-term relationship with Mary would it be sinful judgment for me to preclude
03:49:28
Shy Matthewswomen who have for example slept with more than 20 men is that sinful judgment I don't think so if it's a preference if you're not looking at that woman and
03:49:39
Shy Matthewssaying think gosh she's like a a you know whatever like a BW word or like a slander and you weren't thinking I'm better than this woman no like I think it's not a sinful judgment to say I
03:49:49
Britney Crispprefer a woman who is more who doesn't have that background can I ask you this question have you slept with more than like 20 women 20 men what 20 wom have you ever been with a virgin what you
03:50:01
Brian Atlashave you ever been with a virgin yeah o couple couple couple relationship with a virgin I've revealed a couple details of my body
03:50:11
Britney Crispthat's like the closest I've ever gotten to uh uh what's the question well you said oh is it a preference is a judgment if I say I can't sleep with a woman who's been with 20 men but in the Bible
03:50:24
Britney Crispit says how dare you look at someone's else's you know like a plank in their eye when you have a log on your own I believe we're supposed to make the right judgments based upon that account so by by your logic a man who say for example
03:50:36
Brian Atlashas slept with 20 women he is therefore obl Ed to only date women who have also slept with 20 men or more is that the argument that's not the argument he's
03:50:47
Brian Atlasnot obliged to how can he judge them when he's already done that well let's say he doesn't judge them but let's just say he has a preference and let's say he slept with a hundred women but he recognizes that there's actually some
03:50:59
Brian Atlaspretty substantial uh romantic and dating upsides to dating someone who doesn't have a promiscuous past despite his own and I don't think there's anything
03:51:11
Brian Atlasremoving judgment but he despite him having slept with a hundred women perhaps it's a self-reflection on his own behavior he realized promis promiscuous Behavior Uh is not good it
03:51:22
Brian Atlascan be a sign of certain past traum uh it can create trauma the more uh people you've partnered with the more people
03:51:30
Brian Atlasyou've dated I have no objections to somebody man or woman uh although this tends to go more one way than than the other I have no objections to a man who
03:51:40
Brian Atlasslept with 100 women preferring to date a woman with a low body count or virgin whether he can get her or not is another conversation but I don't I think there's nothing wrong with that in the same way
03:51:52
Brian Atlasthat I bet a lot of the women here at this table are not funny at all and Find humor in men incredibly attractive perhaps there are women at this table who are not particularly financially
03:52:03
Brian Atlaswell off but find rich men very attractive or perhaps you are attracted to men who are confident but you're lacking confidence so is your position
03:52:13
Brian Atlasmy POS my view on this is that you need not in order to desire a trait in somebody you need not also possess said
03:52:23
TTS/Donationstrait so I don't object to men the CH $88 donated $100 there is a difference between judgment as in sitting in sentence of
03:52:33
TTS/Donationssomeone then there is discernment meaning to choose what is right or wrong for you learn Co Greek the understanding is
03:52:42
Brian Atlaswrong here let me do a couple chats here um we have uh one sec thank you chill
03:52:49
Brian Atlas808 appreciate it man we have Albert Sovereign somebody read this for me do you want to read it
03:53:00
Madisonme the the money part is such BS you know men could make the same claim if they were drug dealers I'd be an electron
03:53:10
TTS/Donationselectrician but slinging vent is higher paying M equivalent yes you could have Warlock the math magician donated
03:53:19
TTS/Donations$99 13 shifts a month and $4,000 per month implies $25.60 per hour 33% tax rate implies a
03:53:30
TTS/Donationsgross rate of $39 per hour average pay in NY is $58 per hour your co-workers were making way more than you bro
03:53:39
Brian Atlaswarlock thank you you didn't is this her ex-boyfriend is this Cheyenne's ex I already asked her she said no you also mentioned a you had you dated a
03:53:50
Brian Atlasspellbinder was that the Warlock that was the one yeah the Warlock we have Josh can you read this one what why do I have to keep read okay somebody read it please this is
03:54:02
Unknownthe oran messaging I didn't say that right did I again are you literate what's going on I have had a couple of shots how about you have her read it okay this is The
03:54:13
DarraOregonian message again oh it's gone man why are you asking me again for the cute Asian Christian I'm down to talk theology with you how about the table Brian can connect us via Instagram
03:54:25
Darrawe can FaceTime before I I move to Flying you out oh we already heard we heard this guy he really wants you I think you need need to Google him damn so we sent it again send the picture slide in her DM
03:54:38
Madisonshe doesn't want resp she already said her response earlier same exact thing um he sounds like a
03:54:49
Alexis MorganChristian he likes you um sorry you want me to read it where we on you're on the spot just give him a
03:54:59
Alexis Morganyes or no like all right God damn it uh okay someone read this Britney your o typers is currently online typing live to simps who think they're talking to you that's fraad forget repentance you
03:55:13
Alexis Morganshould be charged with a felony and O should be held criminally liable for enabling conters to defraud people that's hilarious but I think it just says that we're online
03:55:24
Alexis Morganautomatically for the record my always says online yeah always log in we're not online right now we're not talking never mind case in point Brian as I said last show women knes
03:55:34
Alexis Morganguests laugh and piss on men like me 5 foot tall we even are human to human I have given up women laugh at the thought of men my height it is a joke to them
03:55:45
Darrawomen are the most judgmental I feel like find somebody like get rich you're attracted to who you are like it's like find somebody that works for you it's not like all women take up surfing dude
03:55:56
Brian Atlastake up surfing that's all I got to say man take up surfing or the circus uh okay uh going around the table does body
03:56:03
Brian Atlascount matter no I don't give a it does a lot of men wait the mic sco the mic to the edge of the table does it matter to men or women you can just
03:56:14
Alexis Morgankindly leave it there or me what's the question she didn't answer what I oh I said um it it matters to a lot of people these days yes he asked if it matters to you though
03:56:27
MadisonI I I like a guy with a higher body count but go that's just you know how about this do you object to men caring about body count um no I think that they have they can have their opinion and if they don't
03:56:39
Madisonlike it whatever yeah them wait say that again sorry
03:56:48
Shy Matthewsyeah yes oh boy okay uh what about you oh boy uh for which question are we answering the one I just asked 30 seconds ago we
03:56:59
Shy Matthewsall need to hear it again do we object do I object to to men caring about body count if it's in the past and they're born again they're no longer doing that then no I don't what if they have an STD from their they previously slept with
03:57:12
Brian Atlas100 people but they're born again and they CAU an STD no I would not dat a man with STD that's not what I'm asking would you object to a man choosing to not date a promiscuous woman who happens
03:57:24
Brian Atlasto have an STD from a promiscuous past yeah I think it's okay for him to object okay now what if what if instead of that being a physical trauma like an STD that
03:57:36
Brian Atlasshe has she has a mental Trauma from that yeah he can object to that absolutely okay but so your your argument is well she slept with a 100
03:57:46
Brian Atlasmen but she's there's absolutely been no trauma from it no then then that would be objectionable that's not what I'm saying please kindly speak into the microphone that's not what I'm saying so what do
03:57:59
Shy Matthewsyou cuz you said you object say men can have preferences like if they don't want to be with a woman who's been with 200 men or they don't want to be with a woman who has STDs they okay let's say she doesn't have an STD she slept with
03:58:11
Brian Atlas200 men in her past but she became born again if he prefers not to have that that's okay that literally that's not what you initially answered the question
03:58:20
Brian Atlashow I think she misunderstood oh you said so long as she's born again and it's in her past it shouldn't matter I'm pretty sure that's how you I thought you were asking like if I would like date a
03:58:32
Claireman that has the sorry I misunderstood the question I'm asking would you object to a man having that preference no okay what about you uh no I'm agree with Bri like if he has a you know preference and
03:58:43
LexiJud I love you yeah I feel like everyone has their own preferences what about you I agree glad we got this round got we got to talk we got to talk yeah I mean
03:58:55
Brian Atlasto be fair let me push back a little bit on you guys you know we do give disclosures before the show saying if you have something to say you're welcome to jump in you can do a hand ra and when
03:59:06
Brian Atlaswe do get around to the table asking for your guys' opinions you guys will pretty much just be like yes no so while I understand yes it takes longer to get to the side of the table take a little bit
03:59:18
Brian Atlasof agency and do reflect that you guys have not made an you haven't made an assertive effort to insert yourself into the conversation
03:59:29
Brian Atlasokay they were talking about religion I'm not really big on that so right but you can't be like oh they finally got to me it took so long but when we do get to you you guys don't say anything anyways
03:59:40
Brian Atlasso okay okay um going back to Cheyenne really quick you said that you do object to men caring about
03:59:50
Jasmine Rosethat well yes cuz it shows a lack of Grace and like um in Corinthians it says love is patient it's kind it doesn't keep record of wrongs that's a huge one and um it it doesn't Envy it doesn't
04:00:02
Brian Atlasboast it's not jealous like how is that loving what if I'm looking out for my future children what if she has uh she has adult videos on the internet and I
04:00:12
Brian Atlashave reason to believe that knowing how pre-teen boys are how teenage boys are
04:00:20
Jasmine Rosemy son may very well likely be bullied MH because of This Woman's videos that are out there mhm is that a reasonable
04:00:31
Jasmine Roseobjection well then I guess someone like me wouldn't be your type then that's okay that's just well I'm just speaking in general that's what you want I I
04:00:43
Jasmine Rosewould say okay for me I'm just speaking from my own experience cuz that's all I can do um I've it's never been an issue my past has never been an issue with anyone and
04:00:55
Jasmine RoseI'm like her I'm very straight up and that's all I can do cuz I've done like the line that doesn't work you can't take it back yeah so it's like I just believe like when God does bring me that
04:01:06
Andrew Wilsonman he's going to be able to understand he'll love me how I am he'll love every aspect that's reasonable right and and nobody's saying that it's not it's totally reasonable to say that um you
04:01:18
Andrew Wilsonknow you have a past and there's many people who can look past it I totally understand that right have one myself and so to many others but the question becomes isn't it okay though for
04:01:30
Andrew WilsonChristian men who don't have that preference to reject that as a deal breaker yes yes
04:01:41
Brian Atlasokay okay all right let's oh oh right okay uh going around the table what's everybody's body count starting with
04:01:52
MadisonMadison why do you have to always ask me first it's the way it goes I don't know how about that give us a range how about that
04:02:03
Darra100 over 100 I don't know but you think it's around 100 probably over 100 under okay give or take what about you I never
04:02:12
Darracounted it's probably about like 30 to 50 range I have no idea like I can't say okay sure liar I have no idea around 15
04:02:21
Alexis Morganmales like 80 females wait please One Last Time 15 I would say leave the microphone where it is you don't need to keep oh I just just speak loud so I always feel like if I speak too close I
04:02:32
Brian Atlaswould say 15 males like 80 females 80 females okay na okay here scoot your mic to the edge of
04:02:44
Brian Atlasthe table please we're here no just go ahead okay I don't know either definitely in the hundreds in the hundreds you okay thank thank you let's be honest here guys I'm being
04:02:56
Lexihonest for real um I won't answer that question saw that coming okay a zero zero zero I would say about five or
04:03:05
Brian Atlassix okay four which one five or six okay we're going to get into some of
04:03:15
Brian Atlasour pre-show notes here um starting with wait I didn't send any oh right okay starting with Alexis Morgan That's you
04:03:24
Brian Atlasright in your pre-show notes you said that you are conservative and
04:03:31
Brian Atlastraditional yeah you consider yourself traditional yeah in some points okay um I took a review of your Twitter and your
04:03:43
Brian Atlasonly well I didn't purchase your only fans but we looked at the front page right right uh your Twitter and your Instagram we're not going to pull up your Instagram because we'll probably get into some sort of trouble for what's
04:03:54
Brian Atlason there but right uh is he going for that actually wait hold on I think going around the table really quick before I get to that do you consider yourself
04:04:07
Brian Atlastraditional I just I'm independent no not politics are you f explain what you mean by traditional so they can understand what is that I'm going to defer to Andrew on
04:04:18
Brian Atlasthis one but typically when I think of traditional traditional Traditional Values modest so Inquisitor Ze donated
04:04:28
TTS/Donations$100 Andrew do you see how much easier it is to just be a zealot yes all prostitutes are undatable yes all her itics must bur you don't have to be
04:04:40
Andrew Wilsoncharitable with their individualist nonsense I think you have to meet people exactly where they're at or at least try to so let me try to give kind of an
04:04:51
Andrew Wilsonoverview of what I consider traditional to be so traditionalism best described as experiments in history which we know have worked okay that's what it means so
04:05:03
Andrew Wilsonwhen we're talking about experiments in history which have already worked we're basic Bally talking inside of the United States about a bit of modesty and two parent household uh these types of things that's what we're talking about
04:05:16
Andrew Wilsonwe're making a reference to traditionalism experiments which we know have worked then yes I am a traditionalist you're a uh aren't you an
04:05:28
Madisononly fans model well I believe in traditionalism but yes I am my my parents have been married for 40 years so I believe in that
04:05:38
Madisondo I believe in it for myself maybe not so I guess all right fine untraditional I don't know let's have all the girls answer are you traditional do you
04:05:49
Darraconsider yourself traditional I wish I could be traditional but right now where're am in my career I'm like honest with myself and what my my what I do is like an
04:05:59
Darrauntraditional thing but if I could I would be traditional like yes I gain from the same thing Britney has like my parents are married my grandparents are married married I grew up that way I wish I could have that but I don't have
04:06:11
Alexis Morganthat I have to get up but going around the table if you all want to answer the question yes go on next none of them are going to
04:06:22
Britney Crispget the third degree just just the first one that answers of course I would say my friends and family would describe me as traditional everybody who knows me but I can tell from me personally I'm slowly pulling away from that
04:06:33
Britney Crisptraditional view oh you're moving away from it a little bit I feel like I am a traditional person in my mindset it's just that this generation is having three sugar daddies
04:06:44
Britney Crisptraditional um in the way I operate with them yes actually cuz there no different really than a cousin giving you money and being like here here's for you a
04:06:56
Brian Atlasholding it cuz your cousin giving you money probably isn't engaging in like incestuous lust honestly I don't think they lust after me the way you think like you
04:07:07
Britney Crispthink it's just why would why would a guy give you money just nothing in this world is free right nothing is but it's not like they giving me m you don't think that they have any you don't think
04:07:17
Brian Atlasthey have a romantic interest in you most of them if they do keep it to themselves they tell me that I look good and that's it there's no pictur I mean look I know there's a lot of ss out there I don't I
04:07:30
Brian Atlaspersonally don't get it I don't get the whole oh let me just send a girl $500 without anything involved right I just don't get it yeah yeah it's weird but okay it happens there's a lot of simps
04:07:42
Monicauh yes I'm traditional yes I am um I would have to say I'm not cuz I'm not like waiting till marriage for
04:07:50
Andrew Wilsonanything so okay um I would say I'm traditional as well so so if if you are the ones who claim that you're traditional if you're if tradition by my
04:08:03
Andrew Wilsondefinition is moving back towards experiments which worked right which of those experiments that worked are you calling back
04:08:15
Andrew Wilsonto experiments what does that mean can you social social experiments which worked meaning for instance uh nuclear family would be an experiment which
04:08:25
Andrew Wilsonworked a cross-generational household be an experiment that worked these are sociological distinctions societal distinctions that we can look at and say this Society in this place it worked so
04:08:38
Alexis Morganwhich of these callbacks are you moving towards for these experiments which you think work as what you say like being housewife and letting a man take his role and like be the head of the household like okay yes I I do believe
04:08:50
Andrew Wilsonin that that's you believe in that but what I guess what Brian's after here is to determine you can believe that thing is true and that it worked as far as a
04:09:01
Andrew Wilsonsocial Norm that doesn't mean you yourself act in accordance with that or move in accordance someone in my life and that's what we're doing of course
04:09:10
Andrew Wilsonwell I mean like is eating traditional no fck so I mean that's like but that's the point right that's I'm sorry to be vulgar but I'm the reason
04:09:22
Andrew WilsonI'm driving the point home is that you understand what it is that I'm talking about right if we're going to uh give access to a point of these are experiments in society especially
04:09:33
Alexis MorganAmerican society which worked are you moving towards do we believe are we practicing in it is what you're saying I believe in it I'm not doing what's traditional but I don't feel like
04:09:45
Alexis Morganwhat I'm doing is going to keep me from being able to have that traditional experience and life I second that you know I think that they're these podcasters are very much so like saying
04:09:56
Alexis Morganlike you're never going to find a man that's going to respect you or you're going to have the traditional households like I strongly believe that there's somebody for everyone and that I will end up having my let's say unicorn in sense cuz you guys always feel that
04:10:08
Alexis Morganwe're never going to find the man that high Val I feel like I get approached very much so by high value men all the time they see my heart they hear my mind and I just I feel like maybe I'm just
04:10:21
Alexis Morganthe I don't know I I just believe I will end up in the traditional you know I don't think after you've had after you've had your
04:10:31
Alexis Morganfun um I feel like there's a man that would prefer that I had experienced and have done what I've done because there's a lot of men that don't wouldn't want the girl that hasn't experienced and has gone hasn't gone out there and seen what
04:10:44
Alexis Morganshe likes I feel like a lot of the men that I prefer to be around would find it rather interesting and do you know that different than the normal normal girl
04:10:55
Alexis Morganthat will bore them that only was with themb only and how would they know if they had would have chosen him over everything else I think of when a man is with me he's like she's already
04:11:05
Andrew Wilsonexperienced everything and she's choosing me because that she's already she knows that she knows what she wants she's had it all so this is why this is why these guys who are red pillars exist
04:11:18
Andrew Wilsonas red pillars they they actually would use a person like you as a perfect example they would say look you believe in traditionalism and you think that it works to make Society work however when enabled with the superpower of being
04:11:30
Andrew Wilsonable to do whatever the you want with sexuality in order to make a lot of money you will do that instead and then when you can no longer do that suddenly
04:11:39
Andrew Wilsonyou want to be traditional right this is this is their entire framework for the entirety of their narrative encapsulated
04:11:49
Andrew Wilsonin a single person is that not true no I think um no I mean how's that that's what that is what you're doing
04:11:59
Andrew Wilsonright not really but I mean aren't you using your sexuality for your own benefit in order to get a lot of money even though you you yourself believe in traditionalism as being the right way
04:12:10
Andrew Wilsonand wish that you could be a person who was a traditional woman so aren't you doing exactly what the claim of the red bill is which is that you will use your sexuality while you can as a superpower
04:12:21
Andrew Wilsonin order to make a ton of money and then later when you can no longer use that then suddenly you'll become a traditional woman I would be a traditional woman right now I would want to be with the man Stopping You Nothing
04:12:32
Alexis Morganis Stopping me I'm choosing to choose this way because this is what right I'm this is the way but there is men there is there there is men that are traditional that would encourage you to do this I mean it's a great financial
04:12:45
Unknownnot any what men who are traditional would encourage you to do this I think we're just saying that men take traditionalism traditional men take that very very seriously and they live the entirety of their lives off of that so
04:12:58
Alexis Morgando you think a tradition like a true traditional man would want yeah you I mean I've been approached by them um so yeah maybe not maybe not
04:13:10
Alexis Morgantraditional traditional but that is fine I I find myself like I would want the man who understands it who is like you got your money he's like he encourages it he understands it he he obviously
04:13:21
Alexis Morganlike supportive he's supportive there's no reason like obviously I know I feel that when a man meets me I know that I'm like I have a good heart I have a good mind when he speaks to me it might just be better than a woman who's traditional who did nothing with her life and just
04:13:34
Unknownsat there waited around for a man to make her her nice house you know what I mean yeah I agree I think a man can be a provider but that doesn't mean that he is fully traditional I guess that's who cares about the the words of this and
04:13:47
Alexis Morganwhatnot in the end of the day it's like there's somebody out there for everyone and I think these podcasts are very like you're not going to find a man there's not somebody out there for everyone there is well we're not for everyone correct but we're not I'm not here saying like oh every only fans woman
04:14:00
Andrew Wilsonwon't find a man like that's who's to say that you know what I mean uh I well the the statistics literally well they don't say that but they say close to that they say that yes your chances and
04:14:12
Andrew Wilsonlikelihood the more promiscuous you are to maintain an interpersonal relationship with a man over a long period of time drastically drastically decrease it's odd because I have like
04:14:24
Alexis Morganboth friends that are in the industry or are not in the industry and I feel like the ones that are and they're in the relationship are actually happier because they're honest and they're outgoing they're open-minded and they're speaking about sexual desires that
04:14:36
Andrew Wilsonnormally a traditional okay well what is so we're non-traditional okay traditional it's it's a title right okay this is what tradition what would be the experiment
04:14:46
Andrew Wilsonthat worked where two porn stars in history were getting together in in holy matrimony in order to go and promote degeneracy that's of course it's not
04:14:56
Andrew Wilsontraditional that's a brand new fangled Gadget right this is a brand new I mean porn wasn't even legal in the United States for most of it but everybody was watching it have you watched porn you
04:15:08
Darracouldn't you couldn't watch it because it wasn't legal okay ital porn have you ever watched porn honestly Tru okay do you do you think that woman is
04:15:18
Darradisgusting and like the actors in in the in the video you're like wow this man is like cuz there's such a double standard in society where it's like we put this man on a pedestal like wow I wish I
04:15:29
Darracould be him like versus the woman but you think equally both of them are just as degenerate in that video when you watch it yeah so why do you watch it
04:15:40
Andrew Wilsonyeah you're sinning well I mean Once upon once upon a time I I myself engaged in plenty of degeneracy and still in some some hang on stop stop stop let me
04:15:50
Andrew Wilsonanswer the question right I'm not above uh myself being a person who has been prone to sin the the point of Christianity is not Perfection not to
04:16:01
Andrew Wilsonsay that you're a perfect person it's to always be moving towards the OSIS being better not for you to say that there's an identification uh distinction there's no
04:16:14
Andrew Wilsonidentification distinction between us because you say you have watched porn yes that's true but you are a porn star who advocates for it right this second
04:16:25
Andrew Wilsonso your argument is so absurd it's like saying a person who was a cocaine addict can't tell people it's bad to do cocaine do you understand how absurd that is I think it's a little different cuz porn is not killing people
04:16:38
Andrew Wilsonyes it is it doesn't stop their where on Earth did you ever get the idea that it wasn't of course it does leads to heavier amount
04:16:47
Andrew Wilsontraffing they're masturbating so hard their heart stops human trafficking do you think human trafficking leads to a better or worse life that's not the same thing do you feel like a drug dealer
04:16:59
Andrew Wilsonpornography the pornography industry banks on human trafficking in a big way and always has both sides of the Border in fact is a massive problem you got the idea that pornography doesn't lead to
04:17:12
Andrew Wilsonhigher rates of drug abuse and mental illness because it does does mental illness lead as a contributing factor to people offing themselves because I think it does all of these things are contributing factors to higher rates of
04:17:25
Alexis MorganI think men are the reason to early demise to be honest I have a real quick think point I feel like there is a lot of like people that like um go through depression and you're saying all these things about porn stars
04:17:37
Alexis Morganlike falling into this like you know bad head space I feel like a lot of it has to do with how the public is making them feel about it what you guys are saying about these porn stars and what they're
04:17:49
Alexis Morgandoing and they're just because but it's it's crazy because you guys are watching it and you're pleasuring yourselves to what these points are so I feel like if it was just well that would actually be a better case for me than for you so
04:18:01
Andrew Wilsonyou're saying it it's the stigma which causes this and yet you yourself May engage in activity that you think is bad for society which I would say in turn means we need more stigma I don't think
04:18:13
Alexis Morganit's bad for society I think that people learn through it I think it's sex is healthy I think most of the time some people masturbate and their stress comes like from their body they learn from it how to eat that what to release
04:18:26
Alexis Morganthere there's a lot of benefits there's a lot your fetish there's a lot of benefits to porn you know and I feel like the the the bad stuff that they say that comes from porn is because the world is so like to the cameras and to
04:18:39
Alexis Morganeveryone they're like but porn is bad porn is bad but they all wish they could do it but they just know that people are just talking about it violence you realiz that am I putting a gun to anyone's head no I'm relieving someone's stress sometimes like porn is healthy
04:18:50
Alexis Morganfor like like marriage and relationships and stuff like that it it keeps somebody from cheating they just go to the bathroom Len knows I just my whole thing is I don't it's possible you can move towards
04:19:02
Andrew Wilsonoutliers and say that there are some people whose relationship have been vastly improved by pornography and I'm not even disputing that I'm sure that there's truth to that somewhere okay but
04:19:13
Andrew Wilsonwe do we you know we can look at our society pre- pornography right like this is not a thing which uh we have a massive history of this is a new
04:19:23
Andrew Wilsonphenomenon in the west of having unfettered access to pornography and overwhelming every single societal and sociological study overwhelmingly shows
04:19:35
Andrew Wilsonthat not only is it bad for the women who are engaged in it but it's really bad for the men who become addicted to it rewires their brain quite literally but like anything it's like when you're addicted to cigarettes or when you're
04:19:47
Alexis Morganaddicted to vaping or when you're addicted to just doing anything like PlayStation everyone has a different fix it's it's life it's you know yeah it's true but we can make distinctions in society between people who might
04:20:00
Andrew Wilsonhabitually I think it's beautiful it's like we're reproducing though that's what we're supposed to be doing we're not that's a big problem we're not in fact our birth rates are under replacement rate way below replacement rate and the reason that they're under
04:20:11
Andrew Wilsonreplacement rate is because women will say well I love tradition but I'm going to wait until all my fertile years are behind me and then I'll get married when they're in their 30s and that's why the
04:20:22
Alexis Morganaverage rate of a woman getting married in the United States is 30 years old I think that it has nothing to do with the woman I think although women say that we want to get married when we're in our 30s we do want to find our Prince
04:20:34
Alexis MorganCharming to sweep us off our feet but because the you know these days and how men are perceiving women and um how they want to live their life first it's actually causing this to happen so women are just saying I'm going to live my
04:20:45
Alexis Morganlife but ideally when when a woman is a child we are we are hoping to find our Prince Charming from a child so I think that if we just found our Prince Charming at 1920 we would be married then so we're just this is something
04:20:57
Andrew Wilsonthat we're just saying because in the end of the day I feel like Prince Charming at 19 do you think that going into an only fans career for money is going to make you more likely to find that Prince Charming or less like I don't think that anybody's think of that I think that they're think about
04:21:10
Andrew Wilsonsurvival and I think they're putting their family first I mean I know for my decision was I know thinking about survival that's ridiculous survival ,000 a month that's ridiculous most people
04:21:22
Andrew Wilsonwould be more than pleased to have a $30 an hour job and they would be surviving just fine he I do this for survival I always know the second of woman says I do this for survival and then we ask
04:21:34
Alexis Morganwhat her paycheck is what do you think think most people survive on everything is for different people everyone has a different reasons why they joined maybe they got out of a it I can't say I can't speak for why she joined only fan I
04:21:46
Alexis Morgancan't speak for I know why I I might have you all joined it for the same reason cuz you wanted the money okay and that is fine but maybe some didn't have the parents to tell them hey this is colist what do you mean you don't know the reasons then you all know the
04:21:58
Alexis Morganreasons you did because all I'm saying is there's no there's everyone has different reasons that why they joined and reason they all do it for money all
04:22:09
Alexis Morganmoney which money causes Financial Freedom I will say my Financial Freedom has led to my family in Cuba having AC's like we all have houses like I've done good things with my money I don't think that the girls that are doing bad all you had to do in order to get that was
04:22:23
Andrew Wilsonprostitute yourself do you think that was a good exchange as your dad say thanks for the AC I'm glad that you prostituted yourself for my AC honestly does your dad say thank you for prostituting yourself so I have air
04:22:34
Alexis Morganconditioning well that's that's not that's not spoken about but you because because porn is so T down I'm sure it's not spoken about it's not prostitution I mean I you guys at the end of the day
04:22:46
Alexis Morganit's not it's in the end of the day I know everyone is saying whatever about porn but I know that it arouses you even though you don't say it I know I know you have seen it at one point in your life so I'm just my whole thing is like
04:22:59
Andrew Wilsonjust I feel like we shouldn't really stop just trying to put these only fans and point stars down because that is the why so so here's the thing it's a good thing I'm not the sum total of just my biology and I have higher reason and
04:23:11
Andrew Wilsonthat though I can agree that pornography could arouse me there's no doubt that that's true I also have this great thing called the choice to not view it even knowing that it's true so whether it arouses me or not it's beside the point
04:23:23
Andrew WilsonI don't think that if put to the question if I asked your old man hey all she had to do was prostitute herself for your AC that he would say good on her do you honestly think he'd say
04:23:35
Alexis Morganthat who is it harming it would he say that my dad doesn't give a but he also loves me he just wishes that it's unconditional love whether your child is a killer or
04:23:48
Andrew Wilsonthat you're going to love them no matter what you understand that's their decision isue love I'm not talking about love or whether or not your father loves you I'm sure he loves you very much you're his daughter I'm not saying anything about whether or not he loves
04:23:59
Andrew Wilsonyou or cares but if that was the only alternative that a woman had I'm not saying that that was she makes a lot of money can buy you if she prostitutes herself would he be behind that I'm not saying that that's what was my decision
04:24:12
Alexis Morganor anyone but everyone had different reasons maybe that they were doing something may I've heard of different okay you don't know as many like porn stars and creators as I do I've heard and I've listened to people behind closed doors of why they joined and you
04:24:25
Alexis Morganknow some of these people are the nicest people that I've met I will say like I just think you know any of them who have motivation other than money for why they join I mean money is the reason world is
04:24:36
TTS/Donationsmoving money is the reason why there's being men aren't interested in dating women who act like men men go overseas because Western women are toxic and act like the men they want to be with we
04:24:48
Alexis Morganwant femininity and you all aren't perfect except be a masculine man provide for the woman then take her away like that's just simple it's it's not it's not so complicated it's like in the
04:25:01
Alexis Morganend I just all I'm saying is that I feel like you know these podcasts are always trying to say like that we're not going to find a a high value man the same thing just repeating and and I feel like it's bringing down
04:25:13
Alexis Morganthese only fans and point stars and it's making them more depressed because it's just putting things in other in other men's head like oh that's not a good woman honestly some of my porn star friends are just they they they care more for me than just like my nonborn
04:25:26
Andrew Wilsonstar friends like I think that they're some of the nicest open-minded individuals you know so I just feel like we should stop reconciling this when people hear this right when they're trying to reconcile it in their brain
04:25:37
Andrew Wilsonright they're hearing this I do this because I'm a strong empowered woman and it makes me a lot of money and then when pressed on it the very the second they're pressed on it it's no it's
04:25:49
Andrew Wilsonbecause I have a PO poor family in Cuba it's like no but aside of that what if what if they found a passion let me finish let me finish I'm almost done you're not doing it because of the poor family in Cuba a side effect of you
04:26:01
Andrew Wilsondoing it maybe that you can buy AC for a poor family in Cuba but your motivation is purely self-interest let's not kid ourselves it's purely self-interest or you wouldn't do it right my last comment is
04:26:14
Andrew Wilsonwhat if I found passion in it what if I have tried different jobs I could tell you like four or five different jobs that you'd be like oh wow I used to code which is why I I used to code iuse life insurance ins for any reason other than money and the answer was no and that's
04:26:26
Alexis Morganfine but for some reason right now I have I can retire if I wanted to but I will say I will find I I I will kind of find like something's missing like I find the thrill of like creating content like cuz in the end of the day it's not
04:26:39
Alexis Morganjust like oh we're getting on set and we're doing like a only fans video no it requires marketing it's requires creativity there's a lot to it you know because if it was just that easy would you do it for free that what would you
04:26:50
Madisondo it for free I used to do it for free just influencing on Instagram will we do anything for free we have 24 hours in day Mak money just building you would
04:27:00
TTS/Donationsyou do this donated $100 imagine eating dingleberries on video and thinking you have a standing to provide a substantive argument on morality you said you said that you have
04:27:11
Alexis Morgana passion for what you do does that include the ass eating um well that's like just like like cuz you said you have a passion for right like what if you have a passion like no I have right
04:27:22
Alexis Morganno I have a passion for just like I I enjoy the for ass eating just say it it's cool well yeah that's outside of the job I do that in my personal life I love that I I have always found myself
04:27:33
Alexis Morganlike a more sexual person I do proud of I do feel like this job has made me more open to like cooking up with girls prior to only fans I was too shy to tell a girl hey I want to eat your right sorry for the V language but now I feel
04:27:47
Alexis Morganlike I've had a lot of sexual experiences I'm happy um I'm making a lot of money from it not saying that that's the only thing I feel like only fans videos is 5% of what we do and 95% comes down to marketing and showing up
04:27:58
Andrew Wilsonand thinking and brain blasting there's just so leads to money cuz that leads to more money that's why you Market it and do all that would you do it for free would you do this podcast for free I'm doing it right now for free but
04:28:12
Alexis Morganlike you're getting something out of it clearly like you wouldn't just I mean listen Okay this I I have one last I have one last comment and I will say even though we don't all see it a lot of these podcasts are thriving because of
04:28:23
Alexis Morganonly fans models sitting at these tables so let's just appreciate it okay the ass eater should go back to eating ass so she can shut her suck hole as a fellow Hispanic I know your father would call
04:28:34
Darrayou a paa and you you are an embarrassment to her old fam no that's not how they feel I'm that's sorry I didn't mean this I'm not but she made a good point though about your your
04:28:46
Alexis Morganpodcast would be boring if we weren't onest only creat creat about Christianity all night like honestly like all all right so in the end of the day a lot of these podcasters are thriving because you guys
04:28:59
Alexis Morganare essentially having a back and forth with what's right and what's wrong if we were not only fans creators we wouldn't be having this convers and the panel would kind of be boring actually to be honest I
04:29:09
Brian Atlasmean I think that some of our most interesting and viral moments came from debates with women who were not doing only fans right but they were talking
04:29:19
Alexis Morganabout not doing only fans and well listen if we can talk about Andrew Tate or just like all the other podcast is that you know talk a lot about only fans and what these porn stars are doing a lot of the money is circling around
04:29:31
Darrabecause of what's going on let's not you're not going to admit it but you know that what's going IIT around the Bible it's around forever why is it why
04:29:43
Brian Atlasis it still around at this era like why is it still here if it was truthfully like if there were women who were just like left leaning who just wanted to come on and debate like politics culture warship even dating but you seemed like
04:29:57
Alexis Morganyou were bored when they were talking about God though yeah you were falling asleep so then again so please let me know when you tell us no disrespect I'm not even meaning to I actually thought
04:30:08
Alexis Morganthe the debates I mean but they were still comparing themselves to prostitution and stuff this this panel would be quiet if we didn't have something to compare to so in the end of the day I think that we should appreciate disagree disagree let
04:30:21
Alexis Morganme know when hold on let me know when you have four episodes that where there's not one only fans or Point start creating and there's not one topic that has to do with anything of prostitution do the booking for me get me like woke leftist Li but it'll be a bing panel because in the end of the day this is
04:30:34
Brian Atlaswhat's going on in 24 and it's interesting honestly true I've said it multiple times I actually don't like the porn bad conversation I think it's boring actually cuz it's like we've had it so many times actually the the much
04:30:46
Brian Atlasmore interesting conversations would be had with like woke sjw liberals who aren't involved in sex work and we can still have discussions on body count because they're probably promiscuous
04:30:57
Darraanyways uh we could hit all those topics and honestly I'm more interested in uh you ask the same questions like let's say I was a politician and I came on your show would you ask me about my body count like you would ask ask body count question I'm just asking you would ask
04:31:09
Alexis Morganbut that's such a 2024 question that's going around the word body count is just so used on like these like Instagram and it's used being I mean okay let's let's just come down to it I mean this in the like most
04:31:22
Alexis Morganrespectful way in the end of the day you probably fund more to having girls like us on your panel because they're very much interested in this and because we're hot good-looking girls and let's be realistic I wouldn't be here because if it this didn't provide any Financial
04:31:34
Brian Atlasbenefit correct this this is is like such a kind of dull meta conversation about the show but I would actually argue I mean if you're talking on the financial aspect what when Andrew was
04:31:44
Brian Atlashaving his back and forth with uh with these two over here uh what yeah hold on just let me check the
04:31:54
DarraInstagram oh Cheyenne yeah of course with Cheyenne oh my God name come on like number five and Claire yeah you know because I've remember their names that's what I mean if if we're talking about oh well you
04:32:07
Brian Atlaswouldn't make as much money actually like the majority of the the super chats came in when he was debating them so but what were they what were they previously before yeah but we weren't debating about what they were previously we were
04:32:19
Andrew Wilsondebating this meta conversation is like because you know that I'm getting somewhere and then no you're not you're actually not point just got just got wrecked because we were debating theology I
04:32:30
Andrew Wilsondidn't ask them any of those questions about their sexual history at all it wasn't even of concern to me we were just debating theology Checkmate but you're still part of whatever take the L
04:32:41
Alexis MorganI'm not taking the L I got the W okay listen but it's good at least I'm enforcing positivity because I do feel like in the end of the day you're going to jerk off in the next 5 years correct to porn we'll give you all a free
04:32:54
Brian Atlassubscription don't say that face come on I will say listen most of the time that I've gone on to these podcasts Andrew are those menthols can I can you give me
04:33:02
Andrew Wilsona cigarette bro I need I need a pass pass the cowboy killing Mar red all right can I just ask a question to the
04:33:14
Shy Matthewsladies I was just wondering like you guys are saying you're doing it for the money right well money and different reasons correct I actually have fun like doing it but yeah money um and then I
04:33:25
Darrathink you said that you would actually prefer not to be doing it so recently like I I and originally I preferred to do it for money but I'm actually like enjoying it a little bit like I'm enjoying like exploring my sexuality and
04:33:37
Darrakind of like having sex on my own terms and it's safe because I've been in situations where I've had unsafe sex like where I thought maybe I was with a partner or like just casually having sex with somebody and we weren't getting STD tested all the time and there were
04:33:50
Darrasituations in my life where I was like oh my God you're being a jerk like I'm I'm being loyal to you so this situation I kind of feel like I own my sexuality I own who I'm sleeping with we're getting tested we're showing up and we're making
04:34:02
Darrasome money from it and I'm not sleeping with just anybody it's kind of like in a weird way an empowering situation maybe it's from my abusive past with men where I feel like I'm in control of what I'm
04:34:13
Clairedoing and I'm having fun and a lot of people want to can judge that and I completely understand people judging my life you know I mean question for the three of you if you guys found a man that like could financially like you know is stable and could take care of
04:34:26
Darrayou I wouldn't stop no I would I wouldn't stop the end of the day what if walk away from me like exactly however I also wouldn't have sex then like I would just do my own kind of like like cuz I
04:34:38
Darramade a lot of money just selling extra like it depends on the type of content you're always able to like be a shape shifter on there like last year I was in a relationship with somebody for eight months I didn't make any content it was Solo or it was just photos and different
04:34:51
Darrathings me my income took a little bit of a hit from it but I was okay cuz I made good financial decisions so like it depends on who I'm dating and what they're comfortable with and I would have that conversation with him here what do you guys think about this I don't think uh men should pay for first
04:35:03
MadisonAIDS if the woman does only f how about that they won't know until after they us a date with you you should probably disclose the fact that you no we we we'll go on the date and then during the date they'll ask us what we do and then
04:35:15
Madisonwe'll tell them I just had that happen actually yeah what so what if he finds out and he's like he found out 30 minutes before that I had done corn and then still paid for my date so oh I'm sure it happens men absolutely just
04:35:26
Brian Atlasbecause there's a uh competitive pressure on men despite women totally uh totally abandoning hold on let me just finish despite a lot of women totally
04:35:38
Brian Atlasabandoning their traditional roles in the courtship process they still expect and ultimately primarily because of simps and men not having a backbone on this still ultimately end up receiving
04:35:50
Brian Atlastraditional treatment from men so you could be a porn star who just five dudes yesterday and a guy's still going to go ahead and pay for your dinner and treat you like a princess but like I I don't expect that treatment I
04:36:02
Madisonusually offer to pay for half of the meal good for you and then usually end up just paying for it anyway which is great on them but I actually always ask if they want to split it so can I Y y'
04:36:13
Brian Atlasare tradition y'all are not traditional women but you want men to be traditional that's B big I just want to have fun you do you ask guys out have a lot why not yeah do you hey would you like
04:36:27
Darrato go out to dinner yeah like yeah but like let's say generally speak I wouldn't say like oh wow he didn't offer to pay the bill cuz I asked that way generally speaking though women are not
04:36:38
Madisontaking the initiative like that I would I was interested what if we just say we'll split the bill this way huh what if we just say we'll split the bill you prefer a guy to pay for you though of course of course who the hell wouldn't
04:36:49
Alexis Morganbut like I'll always say do you want to split this bill would you prefer a woman to pay for the date ever yeah it's better for a woman to wait wait you you don't always he said it's better for woman I I feel like I do just because the man expects to and I just want to
04:37:02
Alexis Morganshow him that like my intention is not just to use him for you know for to pay the meals just to show that like I'm interested pay for that's why I say so I would there's no question about it if there's a hesitation like I
04:37:15
Alexis Morganwould just do it most of the time like I I just have yeah it's better for the woman simps to be honest she should pay for that oh goodness we're not going to get into that how about it's just like 50/50 whatever goes goes every situation is different different things
04:37:26
Alexis Morganfor different folks who knows the situation like pay in in my purview it's better if the woman SS for you cuz then she's actually really she's actually
04:37:36
Brian Atlasinto you like super into you I've been a sugar we've both been in a situation where it's also my position that I would I would pay for the date but like if she's
04:37:47
Brian Atlaslike it depends how she goes about it if she's like trying to assert herself and try to be like dominant in the situation then no but if she's like I like you so
04:37:58
Alexis Morganmuch I'm going to be a s and almost be your slave oh he's a Dom sign me up yeah that's that's where it goes where I told you that I I have participated in that
04:38:09
Darrabefore there you I still want to lead though but you can be a s you like mean would you let a woman woman you around like a you ever let a woman pay for the first date one time okay one
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Brian Atlastime yeah she got me a burrito did you sleep with her no no we didn't we didn't hook up she's waiting probably CU you let her pay for the first date no she's
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Darrashe she was waiting for marriage and I told her I told her 100% respect that but I'm I don't want that so this is a great topic of conversation then but okay so let's say a woman said I'm waiting for marriage you would
04:38:45
Brian Atlasabsolutely not date her but you have a whole podcast about kind of like I don't really make claims that I'm super traditional in some in some aspects I am but uh I don't get that vibe after the
04:38:57
Brian Atlaspodcast I kind of feel like you're openm minded a little bit sure not like other yeah I don't I'm not saying I'm not I never sit here and say I'm a super traditional guy uh wait so the question was like would you would you be able to
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TTS/Donationsdate a woman that's telling you I'm I'm waiting till Mar I'll answer it in William donated $100 women need to listen to Men Who challenge them not the ones who tell
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TTS/Donationsthem whatever they want to hear to get laid wake up men have standards boys have desire Andrew is a father figure
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Brian Atlasfor culture God okay uh maybe she would have to be she'd have to be exceptional uh and for me to wait until
04:39:41
Brian Atlasmarriage she'd have to be exceptional and like insanely out of my league but then ID question why would a woman out of my league choose me also I you have
04:39:50
Andrew Wilsonanswer to your so so your question you bring up something interesting you ask is aren't you the perpetuator of this situation basically a maker yourself right this is the this is the
04:40:03
Andrew Wilsonbig question uh aren't you by participating in having sex before marriage actually making more women like us who can't find men who
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Darrarefuse to be with women who won't you know wait till marriage essentially this is what your point is right I actually like I do agree when I hear people say like you should wait till you're married
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Darrato have sex cuz you don't know any better so if I never had sex before and he was my first partner and we had sex it would be the best sex of my life and I probably wouldn't want to go out and anyone else yes well not not
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Darraonly that but think about this that's not reality anymore in society and it just so happens you have to see if you have sexual chemistry with someone it just so happens that people that that's it's a society as a whole like we need to change that picture for kids that are
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Darragrowing up and different things and have different conversations like we're having these now these are great but what I'm saying is like there it's Traditional Values that we're not teaching maybe to the younger generation like for what you're saying because people it's getting it's going to get
04:41:03
Andrew Wilsonworse and worse can I ask you guys a question like but to push to push back on this real quick uh women are The Gatekeepers of sex in
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Andrew Wilsonreproduction not men but we're horny so it's so it's impossible It's actually an impossible women for women to make to say it's actually men's fault for making
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Darraus this way uh it can't actually be men's fault because you're The Gatekeepers of sex not men I think it's biologically like when you're growing up and you're you're you're like a young