Perfect "10" WILL NOT Settle For LESS Than Jake Gyllenhaal?! SUPER FERAL PANEL?! | Dating Talk #240
Date: 2025-04-28
Duration: 7h 18m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_03Taylor Moore(guest)
SPEAKER_04Carly Rose(guest)
SPEAKER_05Samantha (Tucson)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Jim Bob(guest)
SPEAKER_09Ruby(guest)
SPEAKER_10Lily Fior(guest)
SPEAKER_12Felicity(guest)
SPEAKER_13McKinley(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:24
IntroAll guests introduced including jiu-jitsu athlete, virgin soccer player, adult film parodist
01:36:00
Key MomentCarly reveals she does not want children — becomes central debate topic
04:07:00
ControversyBear vs man: Brian draws racism analogy. If bear over Black person = racist, then bear over man = sexist.
05:45:00
Key MomentSamantha: son's father killed in shooting. Subsequent boyfriend shot 6 times.
06:04:00
Key MomentSamantha: mother kicked her out at 16, pressured into abortion. Still took back cheating abusive boyfriend.
06:52:00
Key MomentTaylor Moore challenges Jim Bob to fight at her gym. Would double-leg and arm bar him.
Topics Discussed
00:04:24
Guest Introductions
Taylor Moore (jiu-jitsu), Carly Rose (model/no kids), Samantha (OF/single mom), Ruby, Lily Fior (adult parodist), McKinley (virgin soccer player), Jim Bob.
00:38:00
Jiu-Jitsu and Infidelity Risk
Tom Brady/Gisele example. Is jiu-jitsu's physical intimacy an infidelity risk?
01:30:00
Marriage and Children Debate
Carly does not want children. Jim Bob: women waste 10-15 fertile years. Ruby says men in 20s also waste time.
03:09:00
Jake Gyllenhaal and League Theory
Carly insists she matches Jake Gyllenhaal's level. Brian explains league theory.
04:07:00
Bear vs Man
Samantha/Ruby/Carly choose bear. Taylor/McKinley/Felicity choose man. Brian draws racism analogy.
05:18:00
Samantha Tweets/TikTok Roast
Brian reads Samantha's tweets. Jim Bob improvises country song from them. Samantha's stories: son's father killed, boyfriend shot 6 times, mother forced abortion, Nashville deception.
06:48:00
Body Count Round
Samantha ~60. Taylor 6. McKinley 0 (virgin). Lily declined.
06:52:00
Taylor vs Jim Bob Fight Challenge
Taylor challenges Jim Bob to come to her gym. She'd double-leg and arm bar him.
Transcript
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03:51:48
Rubythat's like that's like I don't know. I think All right, next. Oh, that looks just Wow, I look like my father. Wow, I
03:52:01
Rubyreally do. I see it now. A You look like you would be a kind man. He looks kind. Yeah, she's kind. You look like you work at a
03:52:12
SPEAKER_11Verizon store. Is that a bad thing? But like No, I see that. But like the secondary, not like the main Verizon store, like one of the such a douche bag all the time. Why you That's No, like
03:52:24
Carly RoseWait, why is that? Just be cool. When I look at you, your name's Ruby, right? And I love how you wear all the red. It's so cute. You You're like a little Ruby. Oh, thank you. Oh god. Oh, you
03:52:35
McKinleyguys put that together. What the [ __ ] Okay. Uh, next. Oh, no. Actually, wait. I kind of look like Jack Frost. You kind of look at that. This is probably This
03:52:45
Brian Atlasis the same exact last time, Brian. Same exact dude. No, usually it gives the bang. Or wait, is this the same one as last time? Oh, that's the pink shirt.
03:52:55
Samantha (Tucson)That's not this one. Oh, it's it is the one from last time, I guess. Okay, next. Oh, you're such a nice lady. That second one is that Vinnie, dude. Oh, that's you. A
03:53:08
Jim Bobtrustworthy lady. Damn, I look like goth. Like some depressed goth kid. version. Yes. Brian, that second picture right there, number two, that is a good mom right there. That's like a
03:53:18
Jim Bobtrustworthy Daniel. Doesn't look like it. She just Oh, no. That is That does not look like a mom. That is a mom who makes
03:53:30
Samantha (Tucson)every sucker practice. I don't know. She kind of looks like a [ __ ] to be honest. Looks like a serial. Looks like a [ __ ] Just kidding. Just kidding. If you were a girl, would you be a [ __ ] Is that what you said? She looks like a [ __ ]
03:53:42
Brian AtlasYeah. No. No. If I would Wait, what the [ __ ] I don't know what to talk about if I was a chick, but no, I would not be a [ __ ] If I If I was a woman, would not be a [ __ ] You be a high caliber woman.
03:53:54
Taylor MooreI would I would be uh a high caliber woman. I don't know, man. You ready to pop out? Having kids, a whole baseball team. Excuse me. How would you spend if you were a woman? How was your How would your average day go? Yeah. How would my
03:54:07
Brian Atlasaverage day go? Yeah. What are you up to as a woman? Like, what would you Oh, I would just enjoy I would enjoy the vast amounts of female privilege that I enjoy
03:54:19
Brian Atlasand just walk around and have people pay things for me because I'm a woman. Brian, you do look like No, I'm talking about an actual day in your life. Like, what kind of woman would you be? Huh? Yeah. What kind I'm asking about an actual day in your life? Like, what kind
03:54:32
Taylor Mooreof woman would you be? Like, would you be a nurse? Would you work at a grocery store? Uh, would you like what would I would be a soccer player probably. So, you live in hypotheticals, huh?
03:54:43
Brian AtlasIs that was that like a I don't know. I was just curious. I don't know what kind of donkey be good enough for professional. I'd be a loud elephant. It's funny at the
03:54:54
Taylor Moorezoo. But, you know, forbidden the Africa wherever zebras live and I would eat lots of grass like
03:55:03
Brian Atlasit would be great if you were a man. I can do this with any if you were a hedgehog. I would
03:55:12
Brian Atlasenjoy the privileges of like not having those flamingo here, Carly. If you were a Cuz you're wearing pink. If you were a flamingo, what kind? Go ahead. Do the flamingo. She's like, I would never be a
03:55:24
Carly Roseflamingo. You're standing on They stand on one foot. They stand. Uh, okay. Uh, do we have a Oh, we have a next. We have a next, right? Mhm.
03:55:35
Carly RoseLord Farqua. Put her in the dirt. Lord Farqua. Lord Farqua. The middle one's G. Lord Farqua from Shrek. Looks like a man. Get her out of here. Nice. Definitely looks like a Never mind. I'm
03:55:45
Brian Atlasnot going to say it. Wait, you are you about to say it? That's hilarious. Mac knows what I'm saying. Uh oh, we have a chat here. Um, are those are
03:55:56
Brian Atlasthose it, Quinton? Are those all of them? Can you uh just close um just close those out. Make sure to keep those other tabs open, though. Oh. Um, okay. So, we're going to bl try to blast through as much of the notes as we can here just for uh wait again. You girls
03:56:09
Brian Atlasdon't have Oh, okay. I already read that chat. Cool. Cool. Cool. Uh, we're going to get into the questionnaire. What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? Um, whatever the cost of living in the
03:56:21
Taylor Moorearea that we decide to live in is, um, I guessed in like like in California that's around 80k, so I would hope for that. What about you?
03:56:31
Carly Roseum or just trying to put numbers on things still. So, uh just yeah, above poverty like not like I guess it's hard to describe
03:56:44
Carly Rosebecause yeah, like she said, it's based on location. So, depending on where you're at and how much money you make, if you stay in SoCal, middle to upper class of like whatever the middle and upper class numbers would be throw
03:56:56
Lily Fiornumber 200K, 300K. Sure. 200K. Okay. What about you? I put 150k. What about you? Um 250. Okay. All right. I put like what is the
03:57:08
Lily Fiorminimum that it would require if he was single to live on depending on the city? Sure. Um I have no concept of money to
03:57:17
Brian Atlasbe honest. So I put $100,000. It's a good $100,000 minimum. Okay. Yes. What about for you? Um I think it'd be the same enough to sustain a family. Well, you wrote six figures here. So,
03:57:30
Brian Atlaswhat is what is six figures? Well, six figures one. Yeah. Okay. So, that's an Okay. All right. Uh, so I think that's fair. Like especially in California,
03:57:39
Brian Atlasespecially in um Santa Barbara. Mhm. 100,000 used to be now. Um, so you put 250K, you put 150K. You I think you said
03:57:49
Brian Atlaswhat? 2K. 200 or 200k. I mean that puts uh I think 1% is 450 to be in the 1%
03:57:59
Brian Atlasit's over $450,000 a year. So in the country or worldwide that's in the United States to make more than 400 to
03:58:10
Brian Atlasbe in the 1% you need to make over $450,000 a year. Uh this might might actually be a bit more because of some of the recent inflation. number could be a couple
03:58:21
Rubyyears old, but uh yeah, cuz I thought it was like 40k. I'm just And I'm just saying that because I I I'm taking like a finance class and we talked about this what the average 1% is and it's like 40k. I
03:58:34
Brian Atlasthought that was like a worldwide that would put you in in for the entire world. Oh, making $40,000 a year. I can't remember if it was the world or the country. You can do that as a
03:58:45
Brian Atlaswaiter. Yeah, that's You think only 1% of people in the US make 40K? Um, oh,
03:58:56
Brian Atlaswhat's that? Wait, what do you mean?
03:59:04
Brian AtlasYeah, he can't hear you. Oh, I think he's just talking to his chat. Oh, yeah. It's Yeah, sorry. Visually, that's very misleading. I mouth better. No, it's all good. Um, okay.
03:59:15
Brian AtlasUh, I mean, you know, you are a 10, you are a 8.75. I only give that number because that's how much I would make a year or more. You know, one guy makes a
03:59:26
Samantha (Tucson)lot of money. You know, he's all since you're a 10, dude. This whole time he's been like, "Come on,
03:59:36
Samantha (Tucson)it's, you know, it's a lot of money. You guys want a guy?" It's just cuz like, you know, you can do it yourself. It's money is a lot of money. Uh, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would
03:59:47
Carly Rosedate? Um, I'm 5'4 and a half and I don't care how tall a guy is. Okay. What about you? I'm 53 and I've dated somebody the same height as me. So, I guess there
03:59:59
Carly Rosewasn't a minimum. Now, I do I do prefer taller guys cuz I wear a lot of heels. So, just somebody taller than me. I would say like minimum 5'7 at this point.
04:00:11
Samantha (Tucson)Okay. Just because I keep up with the heels. Um, I'm 5'6 and the minimum of height would be like 510. What about you? Um, I'm 5 foot
04:00:20
Lily Fiorand maybe like 57, 5'8. What about you? Yeah, same. 5 foot, 51. You? Um, 56, 5'7. And you? Um, I'm 5 foot and I think
04:00:32
Brian AtlasI put down 5'5. Okay. Uh, I'm going to just move on to the next just for sake of time. Would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest? Depends on the man and depends on the
04:00:42
Taylor Moorebear. So it's a it's random bear, random men. Okay. Is it so you don't pick? So you might get lucky with a good man or you might get lucky. Uh because I am
04:00:52
Taylor Moorea professional athlete. I think that even if the man uh did attack me, then I would stand a better shot at being able to defend myself against that man than that bear. But also the bear could just leave me alone and the man could attack
04:01:04
Brian Atlasme. So um Yeah. And the bear could attack you and the man could leave you alone. Yeah. Exactly. So Okay. So, which do you pick if you had to pick one? I would say I guess man this time. Okay. What about you? Well, one time it's
04:01:17
Carly Roseactually funny. It's a quick story. Quick. I was on Oh, it's funny. I was on a boat full of lesbians. They were, you know, and and I was on a boat. We were all friends. It's fine. And uh it was
04:01:30
Carly Rosejust ironic because they asked me, "Oh, what do you think some We saw a bear. I'm from the where bears live. So, um we see a bear. We're like, "Oh my god, there's a bear." And then they asked me, "Aren't you scared of seeing bears in the woods when you walk around?" Blah,
04:01:42
Carly Roseblah, blah. What are you most scared of in the woods? And I literally said, "Seeing a man." So, not a bear. I'd rather see a bear any day. Come across them all the time. Okay. So, what? Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on a second. If you
04:01:54
Jim Bobsaw a bear, would you If you saw a bear in the woods, would you rather see the moment you see a bear and you you're afraid a bear that that looks like it's going to attack you, would you rather see another bear or a man? Why does it
04:02:08
Jim Boblook like it? We weren't talking about looks like it's going to attack you. We just said would you rather see a bear or a man? If it's a bear, it could attack you. Right. It could. And so could a man. You don't know if it's going to or not. If there was a bear, would you
04:02:20
Jim Bobrather see an would you rather have another bear there or a man? Another bear. A bear. I've I've been around many bears. I'm just going to let the rest of the group on this. Sorry. I'd rather be
04:02:32
Brian Atlasaround a man. You pick men. Okay. What about you, Bear? Bear. I would pick a man. What about you? A man. Okay. What about you? Just a bear. Bear. Okay. Man.
04:02:44
Brian AtlasOkay. So, bear. Bear. Bear. Bear. Uh, really quick, uh, before we get into the bear thing, we'll linger on it. We'll briefly. Um, can you pull up, uh, Quinton, can you pull up that bear
04:02:55
Brian Atlasarticle? So, apparently, guys, there was a black bear sighting in Santa Barbara. Oh, I saw that in Santa Barbara. It was on the college campus. Black bear
04:03:06
Brian Atlassighting in Galita and UCSB. That's University of California, Santa Barbara. That's super close. Prompt alert alerts and warnings. Local residents have been spotting a black bear throughout Galita neighborhoods in UC Santa Barbara. And
04:03:19
Brian Atlasthen scroll down just a bit. Scroll down. We're going to skip that video. Skip that video. We're going to play that video though if you can press play on it. So, uh, could you go full screen on that one? So, you're just going to
04:03:31
Samantha (Tucson)Yeah, that little full screen symbol. Oh, [ __ ] Damn. That's crazy. That's on the university campus. Just a black bear chilling. I could be kicking it. It's probably so scary. Just kicking it.
04:03:43
Brian AtlasYeah, it's just scary. And then escape out of that and then just hit escape and then uh scroll down a little bit. Let's see if there's anything else. Black. Uh keep scrolling.
04:03:54
Samantha (Tucson)They're more than of them. That's why I said that's pretty much it. Uh so really quick, we only have a few minutes to give to this specific topic. Uh, for
04:04:04
Brian Atlasthose who picked bear, that's you, you, and uh, you, Ruby. Why do you pick bear? Why don't you pick men? Quick answers if you can. Actually, let's start with Ruby first. Ruby, why don't you go first? Um,
04:04:15
RubyI I'm very weak, so I I think it would if it would be um, if I would run into a man, like, I would feel very defenseless and vulnerable. And if it's my time to
04:04:26
Rubygo, being, you know, eaten by a bear. I guess I'd rather be eaten by a bear than like running into danger with like a man. Like it's okay, you know, make it quick. Okay. What about you?
04:04:39
Samantha (Tucson)Um, I said bear because you could scare it off like with bears. Okay. You could probably scare off a man, too, I guess. I mean, yeah, but you got to work really hard to scare him off. You know what I mean? Hold your nails up to the camera. They don't leave scar. Hold your nails
04:04:52
Carly Roseup. They don't leave easy. Even with these I don't know. That [ __ ] could scare somebody away. They don't leave easy. They don't. Why do you pick her? I just feel personally more comfortable alone with a bear than a man I don't know. So, and I've been around bears in
04:05:05
Carly Rosemany situations like that. And I've walked in the woods where I've come across like, let's just say I'm walking a hiking a trail and I come across a man I don't know. I'm immediately more on guard than I am with a bear because I I
04:05:16
Carly Rosefeel much less threatened by a wild animal honestly than I do a man I don't know alone. Yeah. So, in a setting where I'm all alone. Yeah. So, for the women who picked bear is the assessment, the
04:05:29
Brian Atlasanalysis here. You're doing a risk assessment and you're thinking, okay, the random man could do nothing. The random bear could do nothing. Uh, or the man could have bad intentions and the bear could, you know, he could kill me.
04:05:40
Brian AtlasThe the man could try to essay me and the bear would just kill me. Um, is that kind of your assessment there? Like, okay, the guy could essay you basically? That's my assessment. That's your
04:05:50
Carly Roseassessment. What about you? Um, yeah. Uh, okay. What about you? That the guy would like is that is that the fear
04:06:01
Carly Rosebasically? Yeah, the fear of that. And I again I know I'm putting myself into my own shoes, but I literally have been around so many bears that they don't
04:06:10
Brian Atlasscare me at all. Okay. So, um I guess just to ask bluntly, what percentage of men do you think are inclined towards like essaying women?
04:06:23
Brian AtlasWe'll start with you, Ruby. I'm sorry. Repeat the question. What percentage of men do you think are inclined to essay women or kill them? I guess I don't know. Yeah, just give me It
04:06:35
Brian Atlasdoesn't have You don't have to be precise. It could be uh and and if it's off by a few percentage, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40, 50 majority. Okay. Just based on my I feel like I'm in a bubble, especially
04:06:46
Brian Atlassince I'm here in Santa Barbara. I feel like I live in paradise. Let's just talk United States. the United States. Well, I haven't been to a lot of the Yeah, that that's fine. I haven't been to certain places and so I wouldn't know
04:06:59
McKinleyhow to put a number on that. It's kind of hard to put a number on something like that to be honest. I think 7% 7% for you. I wouldn't know a number. I think everyone in the world I'd probably
04:07:10
Rubysay like 60%. That's like a little bit. Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. Sorry. Repeat it. Sorry. No, repeat. No, repeat it. Oh, I'd say 60%. 60. 60%. Okay. What do you think? I'm surrounded by like
04:07:21
Brian Atlasreally good people. I I It's hard for me to like imagine for So you you just think like Santa Barbara is the Hold on. Hold on, guys. Stop. Stop. Stop. You think Santa Barbara is this enclave of like really good guys, but you step
04:07:34
Rubyoutside Santa Barbara and it's like grape central. No, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying I don't know any better. I don't know what to compare it with since I've been always like in a very safe space. I don't know. What do the feminists tell you? I don't really listen to them. I
04:07:48
Brian Atlasdon't know if you've been hearing my answers. I'm not really that proodern feminism. I think it's probably make a case for the opposite. But so if you just had to throw a number on it,
04:08:02
Brian Atlasum 20 20 Okay. And then what about you? I just don't know why you want us to give numbers. What's the point of it? Why would the
04:08:14
Carly Rosereasonings for my asking the question because I don't have a number. I can't I can't honestly give a number. I don't want to just spew out crap like that. I don't know how many men would be I I'd
04:08:26
Brian Atlashave to see the statistics. It doesn't have to be accurate. What do you feel? What do you feel? Um, there's a lot of I don't I don't know the percentage
04:08:38
Carly Rosehow many men would want to do that, but I just feel like it could be as a woman were placed in a I was placed in a position, you know, to be on high alert
04:08:48
Carly Roseand that's how I grew up. So, I'm always ready to think that anybody could do anything at any time.
04:08:56
Brian AtlasSo, I don't know. Do you want to just throw out 30%, 40%, 50%.
04:09:06
Carly RoseOh, maybe like the whole population of the US, right? That's what we're going to base this off of. Maybe like 10%. Okay, sure. So 10%.
04:09:18
McKinleyRuby, did did Ruby You give a percent? I said 20. 20%. What did you give? 7%. And then you said 60 for Yeah, but I have I have no idea. like that was just a random number. But
04:09:30
McKinleywhy why did your intuition bring you to 60%. Um I don't know. I feel like people underestimate a lot. I don't know. It's like where you don't know if you're always sitting next to a murderer. I don't know. You told me to give you a
04:09:42
McKinleynumber. I just gave you a number. I just guessed. I didn't know. I mean within like within Well, I just thought maybe more than half. I don't know. So you think 60% of
04:09:52
McKinleymen are rapists? No, you asked like who would think about that? Like you you asked how many percentage of men we thought would think about it. Who? Wait, hold on. I didn't No, I didn't. I definitely didn't say would think about
04:10:05
Brian Atlasit. I said Well, I thought you meant like thought about it like doing it to someone. My bad. Sorry. I wouldn't even say 60% Oh men have thought about Okay. Um Okay. What
04:10:18
Brian Atlaspercent If you had to assign a percentage Well, I don't know if you're just walking it back because you're like 60. That's ridiculous. No, I'm not. I just didn't I just don't know. You said a number. Then throw out a number for like what percentage of men do you think
04:10:30
Brian Atlaswould be inclined in this situation of being and they they're in the force alone with a woman. What percentage of men would grape a woman? I don't know. I'll say
04:10:40
Brian Atlas20. I don't know. 20%. I don't know. Okay. I mean, I'm just curious if this changes anything for you. Uh, well, I'll wait till she's back on the bear
04:10:49
Rubyconversation, but um, are you going to compare statistics? What do you mean? Like, um, how what the percentages of
04:10:57
Brian Atlasbeing attacked by a ma by a bear versus how many Well, here's the thing. Is is the Well, let me ask you. Do you think
04:11:07
Brian Atlasthat uh it would be fair to compare Mhm. all the bear attacks in the USA and compare and say there's more uh essays
04:11:18
Brian Atlasand there's more like men who are violent towards women or who murder women than there are bear attacks? Do you think that that's a fair comparison? You're the one who asked the question. We just answered it. You're the one making the
04:11:29
McKinleycomparison. Like the question that was written there, you know, we didn't word that question. and you're the one making the comparison. So, repeat your question. Well, I didn't ask a question. She asked if you were She asked if you
04:11:41
McKinleywere um going to compare the statistics of like how many people get graped and how many people have been attacked by bears. So, I mean, I would say one, and I don't think the statistics here would necessarily, no pun intended, bear out.
04:11:54
Brian AtlasSo, I think per capita is important here. the amount of most people are not encountering bears nearly at the same
04:12:03
Brian Atlasfrequency as they're encountering men. And so I think that you have to do an analysis of per encounter, right? But even beyond that, I think it's
04:12:15
Brian Atlasinteresting to say I'd rather be it's sort of emblematic of the degree of feminism and sort of casual mi misandry
04:12:25
Brian Atlasmisendry manhatred that permeates society. So to say I'd rather be with a I'd rather encounter a
04:12:35
Brian Atlaswild animal dangerous. They're they're bears are apex predators. Mhm. Then with a random man seems to be a uh rather I I
04:12:47
Brian Atlasmean I would just paint it as sexist. Mhm. I think it's a sexist position. What? Just one last thing. Just pause it. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, just
04:12:58
Brian Atlasone last thing. So I guess my final question on this is as follows. Do you guys think it would be racist to if the question was changed as follows?
04:13:09
Brian AtlasWould you rather cross paths with a black person or a bear in the forest? And if somebody picked bear instead of black person, would they be a racist?
04:13:21
Carly RoseI feel like black person cuz you're just saying person. Can you scoot your mic to the edge of the table, please? You're just saying person, right? Not woman. Black person. So it could be a black
04:13:32
Brian Atlaswoman, it could be a black woman, it could be a black man, but they pick the bear regard. Well, I mean, yeah, black person. I think the fact that you pulled in race into the question makes it
04:13:44
Samantha (Tucson)racist. Wait, what? What do you mean? Wait, hold on. Hold on. How does that make it racist? The same way it makes it a man or a woman. If it's a boy or
04:13:54
Brian Atlasah, I see. So, just to be clear, you'd pick the black woman over the black man. Again, It's making it like it's making it racist. Okay, cool. So, I get it. You guys are sexist. Just admit you're
04:14:05
Brian Atlassexist, though. But it's not about being sex. It's about being scared. Okay. I No, I I actually love this point. So, but really quick before I get to How is
04:14:16
Rubyit? So, are you saying me just even asking the question I'm racist? Is that what you're saying? Or I'm not I'm saying it makes the question racist. It's like how would the question
04:14:27
Brian Atlassay into this when you asked the question why are we bringing gender into this? So just to be clear what then if using your own logic if the question
04:14:37
Brian Atlasitself is racist to say I would rather if they well you're you're not even pointing to the answer of it. You're just saying the question in and of itself is racist. So then surely
04:14:48
Brian Atlasfollowing your logic it would be sexist. Yes. To even ask the question, do you pick the man or the bear? Yes. Sexist. Is that fair?
04:14:59
Brian AtlasYou were saying if it makes it sexist. Is it sexist? Uhhuh. To me. It I mean following your own logic. If it's racist to just put in black person in in place
04:15:09
Rubyof uh man, it it must also then be sexist because No, because um because what? What? Uh, men are usually known to be like more aggressive. You know, they're stronger. Sure you want to go
04:15:21
Rubydown this? Okay. So, do you want to play statistics? Am I wrong to say that men are usually like typically stronger like physically? Statistically, men get assaulted more than women, right? Statistically,
04:15:33
Brian Atlasgetting So, yes, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, but not Yeah. Not by men or by women. How would that How would it matter?
04:15:43
Brian AtlasBecause if it's um because if it's a if it's a man is being attacked by a man, you know, that kind of confirms that they are being violent towards each other. I'll go I'll just go ahead and grant uh just for the sake of this
04:15:56
Brian Atlasargument, I'll go ahead and grant that uh yeah, men are um men as compared to women are [ __ ] it, I'll just grant it. More
04:16:07
Brian Atlaslikely to um be uh let's suffer together. What's that? Oh, to um be violent. Sure. Mhm. Yeah. What's
04:16:18
Brian Atlasyour point? Well, that's that's that's the only reason why I would choose a bear. Yeah. But so, let me ask you a question. if statistics indicated, and I'm not I'm not going to make this claim, but this isn't necessarily my
04:16:31
Brian Atlasposition, but if there were statistics to back up that certain racial groups were more or less violent than other racial groups, then what would actually be racist about, you know, a white
04:16:42
Brian Atlasperson or a Latino or a Asian person saying, "I pick the bear over the black person." Mhm. Now, my position would be it would be racist to pick the bear over
04:16:53
Carly Rosethe black person. Okay, I understand your point. But so, is it racist?
04:17:05
Brian AtlasIs it racist to pick the bear? If you pick a bear, so the question is, would you rather cross paths with a black person or a bear in the forest? Black person. and you pick
04:17:18
Brian Atlasbear. Does that is that racist? It's just a weird question. I feel like it's a trick. Sure. I agree. Go. I'm going to go I'm not going to argue with with you whether it's weird or not. I'll
04:17:30
Brian Atlasgo ahead and grant it's a super weird question. Answer the question. No. Why? I'm just curious though. Why is it so easy for you to just instantly bear if it's a man? But if we change because I
04:17:40
Carly Rosedon't know if it's a man or a woman hypothetical. So yeah, Nevada could be a man or a woman, right? So
04:17:49
Brian Atlasyou'd be taking Yeah. And a man could be totally harmless or like there's a 0.1% chance he could be a serial killer, but
04:17:59
Samantha (Tucson)you still pick bear. Yeah, we have flawed logic. It's based off of society. And I was I was raised in a military household. Okay, take your W. Next question. Take it. Take it. Next
04:18:12
Brian Atlasquestion. Thank you for concinged the argument then. Um it's just like I I would say if you pick bear over black person that makes you a racist. I would
04:18:23
Jim Bobsay if you pick bear over man that makes you a sexist itself is just so bad. So this is what I want. I have two questions. Asking question asking like a racist brother. Yeah.
04:18:36
Jim BobI have two quick hypotheticals here. Go ahead. Let's ch Let's change this uh the environment. If you walk into an elevator, would you rather be in an elevator with a wild bear or a random
04:18:48
Jim Bobman? Okay. I would choose a man. The man's going to be in the elevator anyways. You're not going to find a bear in an elevator is going to be happening anyways. I ask you, you have a choice.
04:19:00
Jim BobYou either get in the elevator with a r a bear, a wild bear, or a man, which you you're actually looking at as wild, right? You're just just as wild as the bear in this case, right? What do you choose in the elevator scenario? So, the
04:19:12
Jim Bobman's wild. You just said the bears are wild. No, I'm saying you guys are treating men as wild in the bear man hypothetical. So, I agree. Men are dangerous. Bears are
04:19:25
Jim Bobdangerous. So, now I'm just changing the environment and seeing what you guys say. If you guys could just kindly engage with the hypothetical. Okay. Because it's in such close proximity. Um
04:19:36
Jim BobI would choose I would in that instance I would choose a man. Yeah. A man. Yeah. But the man could just as well violate you, right? I know. For the women who chose the bear, isn't it the case that
04:19:48
Carly Rosetrapped in an elevator? That's a perfect time to to violate. I would still choose the bear. I never changed my answer. You get in the elevator with a bear instead of a random man. the bear. Cool.
04:20:00
Jim BobOkay, cool. So, every time a man actually steps into an elevator, if it's the case, let's let's just grant Let's just grant it that men are dangerous.
04:20:08
Jim BobLet's just grant it that you have every reason to uh be fearful of men, random collective individual at that level.
04:20:17
Jim BobOkay. Now, I want to ask you guys a question. Do any one of you ladies oppose the patriarchy? like like find
04:20:27
Jim Bobthat you you hold a position that we should take it down. What the reason I'm connecting these is if it if it's the case is that because men are
04:20:38
Jim Bobleaders in the Hold on. Hold on a second. If it's the case that you take the bear the the bear over the man, you're admitting that men are dominant, violent, aggressive, and scary basically
04:20:51
Jim Bobthat you should watch out that you should avoid them basically. If that's the case, isn't it aren't you conceding that that reality descriptively is dominated by men?
04:21:05
Jim BobI mean, would you argue otherwise? No, I wouldn't argue otherwise. I'm just on your concession that if it's the case that that reality descriptively is
04:21:14
Jim Bobdominated by men such that you would even choose the bear over the man, how could you possibly any one of you take a position of feminism or or or or
04:21:24
Jim Bobquestioning um the patriarchy? If if in fact you're so afraid of men that you would choose a wild beast who's basically designed to eat your body
04:21:35
Rubyparts one by one. Not no design to eat humans. I will say that I'm giving you know my answer based on like the worst circumstances. Meaning like uh if I'm like in the wild and then
04:21:48
Rubythere's like a strange dangerous man. That's what I'm comparing in my mind. If I would encounter myself with a a stranger, a man dangerous and aggressive versus a
04:22:00
Jim Bobwild bear, then you know I'd weigh my options more the bear because I would just stay still. you know. Yeah. But but here's the thing. If you encountered a man who you thought was aggressive and was going to harm you and you asked
04:22:12
Rubyanother question, would you choose a bear or another additional man who is good? Choose a good man. If I had to, if you're telling me if I have to choose a
04:22:22
Jim Bobwild bear versus a good man, hands down, like a good man. Well, that's well that's the that's where it all breaks down because if I simply change the location of the hypothetical to an
04:22:33
Jim Bobelevator, suddenly everyone on the panel chooses except for pink here cuz she's delusional. Chooses the man. Why? Because it's more likely the case that uh you take elevators every day in your
04:22:45
Jim Bobordinary life. That's an that's an opportunity for every male that you ever thought was horrible to violate you on the elevator. Yet, you would still choose a bear in the instance where the where the where the hypothetical and the
04:22:58
Jim Bobprobability is very unlikely that a random man would attack you in elevator. You would still choose the bear. Only one of you chose. Not as unlikely as the bear being in the elevator. Now, I'm wondering what's the difference
04:23:09
Jim Bobbetween in the woods bear man versus in the elevator bear man.
04:23:22
Jim BobRepeat it. What's the difference between bear in the woods such that you choose the bear, but you choose the man in the elevator? What's the difference between the bear in the woods versus the man in the
04:23:34
Jim Bobelevator? What's the difference between the two hypotheticals? What's the What's the threshold breaker? What's the symmetry breaker between choosing the bear? It doesn't apply to you because you freaking chose the bear in the
04:23:46
Jim Bobelevator. No, no one else on the panel chose the bear in the elevator, but they chose the man. So, for anyone who chose the man in the hypothetical in the in uh who chose the bear in the hypothetical
04:23:56
Jim Bobin the woods over the man and you chose the man over the bear in the in the elevator. What's the difference? Why did that change your answer? Are you talking to me?
04:24:09
Jim BobTalking to every Okay, I don't know who you're talking to. No, I'm not talking to Pink because you chose Bear for both. I'm talking to anybody who chose air in the woods but chose a man in the
04:24:19
Jim Bobelevator. Who who who chose that? Is anyone did anyone choose that on the panel? They don't even remember. You you guys don't even [ __ ] remember. Wait,
04:24:29
Brian AtlasI wasn't listening. They they uh like a computer checked out. Yeah. Um but do question. So do you guys think and final thing on
04:24:40
Brian Atlasthe bear thing um because of women and I acknowledge that women have had maybe majority of women all women even have had bad experiences with men don't dispute it at all there are bad men out
04:24:51
Brian Atlasthere men do bad things to totally granted um but do you think though it's fair for women based off of their bad experiences with men what they've heard from other women whatever it is what
04:25:03
Taylor Mooresociety is telling them do you think it's fair that they pick bear over men because of their own experiences or the experiences of other women. I would argue that it's fair because
04:25:15
Taylor Moorethey're not actively like impeding men from any type of thing. They're just changing their own behavior to protect themselves against like having the same experience again. So, it's not like it's a matter of sexism against men in which
04:25:28
Taylor Moorethey can't get jobs or interact in which way they're just choosing to take a different path. Okay. Well, uh let's do a little thought experiment then. Let me ask this. Let's say there's a white
04:25:37
Brian Atlasperson who either themselves or has known people who have been assaulted by a black person. They also see news stories and belong to online groups and
04:25:48
Brian Atlastheir Tik Tok algorithm feeds them stories about black-on-white crime because of their safety concerns. They're scared of black people. They believe all black people have the
04:25:59
Brian Atlascapacity for violence or assault of some kind, etc., etc. Would you say that this is a racist position to hold? It's an ignorant one. Yeah. Ah, then
04:26:10
Brian Atlassurely it must be if it's racist, surely the position and should we fight against racism? We should always fight against racism
04:26:20
Brian Atlasbad. Okay. Sex sexism bad. Ah, so why are we doing all this coping for women as it relates to their sexism towards men? So, how a woman feels about her
04:26:30
Brian Atlassafety is just sexist to you, right? How we've been raised in the world and how we view safety. I think if you're painting with a broad but broad brush that you would rather be in the forest
04:26:43
Brian Atlaswith a wild animal than with random men, knowing that the majority Hold on. Knowing that the majority of men are good men who would never lay a finger on bears, huh? Bears are majority of bears
04:26:54
Carly Roseare good, too. Wait, what? Bears are good. That doesn't even hold on. Bears are good. Bears just have instinct not to kill people. A bear wasn't born thinking they're going to kill people. They're thinking they're going to kill
04:27:06
Brian Atlasfish. How would that relate to my arg anyway? So, how about you contend with the actual argument here? So, again, if I'm saying it's racist, though, but I'm also saying it it would be racist to
04:27:19
Brian Atlaspick bear over black person. I think that that would be racist. But you guys won't concede that it's sexist to pick bear. Just say you're
04:27:31
Brian Atlassexist. Okay. I mean, or you just have a double standard. It's not true. You It How is it not true? It's just not. This is
04:27:40
Brian Atlascognitive dissonance exhibit A. So, if it is I'm just literally using your same logic. If a white person has fears over their safety, just like you said when it
04:27:52
Brian Atlascomes to women, over their safety, and let's see, I mean, c can a woman be irrational? Can a white person be irrational? Could this fear be irrational?
04:28:03
Brian AtlasPerhaps it must if it is sexist, it surely then too must or excuse me, if it is racist, it surely must then too be
04:28:14
Brian Atlassexist. Do you disagree? I don't believe that it's sexist. No. You don't think? Okay. So, hold on. Is it Is it racist
04:28:24
Carly Rosethe picking the bear over the black person? I'm not answering it. You're not answering it because you know the answer reveals. No, it's just it's not right. It's not It's I'm not doing that. It's
04:28:36
Brian Atlasjust below. It's It's uh So, just to be clear, it's okay. It's okay to make this analysis of men, but when it comes to race, not okay. I'm not going to touch that topic. No, I'm not asking you to be
04:28:48
Brian Atlasa racist. I'm sure No, but I'm sure you would agree like would you pick You're saying a person and you're not saying a man. You're saying a personal black person. That's why I love your justification of sexism towards men.
04:28:59
Brian AtlasThis is great. This is wonderful. So, me personally, if I was given the option between a black person and a bear, I'm picking the black person. I'd much I'd prefer to be whether it's a man, whether it's a woman because you're a man.
04:29:11
Brian AtlasYou've never had to feel the way a woman feels about being alone with a man she doesn't know. I've been the victim of a violent crime, so I know. Yeah, I'm fine making this determination even if I wasn't the victim of a violent crime. We're not talking about violent crime.
04:29:25
Brian AtlasWe're talking about sexual abuse in this case. Yeah, men can also be victims of essay, right? So,
04:29:32
Brian Atlaswait, have you ever had um have you ever um are you pro-choice or pro-life? Um, I'm pro-choice. So, a woman who's never had an abortion, can she have a position
04:29:44
Brian Atlason abortion? A woman who's never had one. A woman who's never been pregnant, never had an abortion. Is she allowed to have an opinion on abortion? Yes. Okay, cool. So, I'm a man. Uh, I'm allowed to have an opinion on something,
04:29:56
Carly Roseregardless. Huh? And I'm a woman. We're all allowed to have opinions, period, on anything. Yeah, but you just tried to dismiss my opinion because I'm a man. In what way? the way you just did. You
04:30:09
Brian Atlassaid, "Well, you don't know how it is to be uh" and then you goalpost shifted. And I was like, "I've actually been victim of a violent crime before." But then, oh, well, I was talking about that. Okay. Well, so just because like
04:30:21
Brian AtlasSo, in order to have a position or opinion on something, you must have gone through said dilemma. Like, I think starving children in Africa, that's a bad thing. Uh I think that that's helps when you've been through it. Yeah. I
04:30:34
Carly Rosemean, I've been hungry, but I haven't been a starving child in Africa. I think starving children in Africa is a bad thing. Am I not allowed to think that? Most women in this country and almost in the world have had that happen to them.
04:30:44
Brian AtlasSo, some form of sex essay. Sure, I'll go. I mean, there's disputes as to the incidence rate of that crime. I'll go ahead and grant it for the sake of the conversation. So, what does that have to
04:30:56
Carly Rosedo with the argument at hand? That um every woman I've talked to has been through that, including myself. You know what? Here, I'll even grant a 100. Every single woman has been brutally uh gang
04:31:08
Brian Atlasraped. How would that What does that have to do with the argument at hand? Bad thing happened to woman. Okay, cool. I get it. What does that have to
04:31:17
Brian Atlasdo with the argument at hand? I'm still not answering the the question about the bear person. You don't want to answer it because it would reveal your
04:31:29
Carly Rosejust blatant man-hating and sexism. It's not man-hating. It literally is. Manhating is creators. We're reaching. How is that? How is that? Everybody Everybody at this table but you know that you're a man hater. I'll I'll
04:31:41
Brian Atlasreframe it again. If I pick bear over black person, does that mean that I hate black people? Would that would that point towards racism or hatred of black people? No. No. No. Well, you know what? It might not point towards hatred, but
04:31:53
Samantha (Tucson)you would agree that it's racist. I would agree that it's racist. Okay. But I do think that she's just saying that you can't really speak on what women feel cuz you're not a woman. That's what she's saying. She's not saying that because you're a guy. Why do I need a uterus to have an opinion on something?
04:32:06
Carly RoseJust like we don't understand your what you go through. We're not men. You're trying to get us to view your head. Just earlier with the jetsu men view this way. You don't know how men think. Okay.
04:32:17
Carly RoseYou don't know how women think. Men and women think differently. Doesn't make you sexist. But it kind of does. That then you're
04:32:27
Carly Rosesexist, too. How would that be sexist? Your whole podcast is sexist. Why is it sexist? You literally come on here. You literally come on here to try to get
04:32:37
Brian Atlasprovoke women on purpose with all these question. Before we get I'm happy. No, that's totally fine. I'm happy to dive into that. Can you define sexism for me though first?
04:32:48
Brian AtlasWe only got like seven minutes. What? minutes of what? Well, we only have Stop. Stop. No, we got more time than that. We're going to have like double standards based on sex. Yeah, I didn't ask you. How do you define
04:33:01
Carly Rosesexism? Sexism is to be like mistreated in the workplace. Honestly, like if you're not getting the same rights as a man, I think that's sexist. Ah, okay. So, your
04:33:11
Brian Atlasdefinition Okay, I see. So, sexism can only impact women. Like, you can't be sexist towards men is what you're saying.
04:33:18
Carly RoseYou can, but but what it's not in terms of safety reality like it's it's different than men are men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. So men absolutely okay but now
04:33:31
Brian Atlasyou're talking about violent crime. So we're not talking about safety violent crime. We're also not talking about essay. It's well also it's kind of convenient if the definition of grape makes it impossible for it to be
04:33:42
Brian Atlassomething that can happen to a man. It's not impossible. Uh yeah, it based off the definition depending on the framing. Yeah, it can be impossible for it to be something that can be done to a
04:33:55
Brian Atlasman. So of course it's going to affect the statistics that feminists feminists espouse if it can't be actually something that's done to a man. What do you mean? Of course a man can be raped.
04:34:07
Brian AtlasThere are specific jurisdictions where based on the definition of the actual crime of rape, it is impossible for a man to be victim of the crime. A woman can't gra for you can make some
04:34:18
Brian Atlasarguments strong uh stronger arguments as it pertains to like if a man grapes another man, but like specifically uh there are jurisdictions where like a woman could not legally like
04:34:29
Carly Rosedefinitionally then that's wrong. It it's absolutely impossible. Well, then that's wrong. It doesn't just because that's how it is doesn't mean it's not that goes ahead and all the stat all the stats related to that
04:34:42
Carly Rosedoesn't just because something is the way it is doesn't make it right it should definitely be illegal for a woman to do that to a man that should be a crime so it is a crime whether they like to say it or not but it's not
04:34:54
Brian Atlascategorized as rape it's categorized as like a essay so that's wrong okay so anyways how do you define sexism I I mean, that's a great example. That's
04:35:06
Brian Atlaswhat's a What do you mean? What's a great example? It's if it graing a man by a woman. I'm not looking for examples of sexism. I'm looking for your definition of sexism.
04:35:21
Brian AtlasTo be discriminatory towards a man like, well, I would say it can apply to men or women, obviously. So, okay. Yeah. To be discriminatory. Okay. You said this podcast is sexist.
04:35:33
Carly RoseHow do you define sexism? I mean, you come on here to tear apart a lot of things that women believe in themselves about like So, you think it's sexist to tell a woman that she's like
04:35:44
Brian Atlasnot a 10, for example. Sexist to say that not every like there's no tens in this world. That wouldn't be that wouldn't be sex I could say if if that was like a blanket state. I guess that wouldn't be sexist. That would be like our opinion. I mean I would say that I think sexism is just
04:35:57
Jim Bobmen and women but treating someone unfairly based on their sexes male or Okay. Okay. Let's take let's take that definition. Treating people unfairly based on their sex. So that applies to
04:36:08
Jim Bobmen and women. So do you do you agree that um you hold a view that we should acknowledge and defend and enforce the violation of rights?
04:36:21
Jim BobYes. And defend anyone. Does anyone disagree with the statement we should acknowledge and defend and enforce the violation of rights? Yes, we should.
04:36:32
Jim BobOkay, we should. Okay, so in order to do that, isn't it isn't it the case that that relies wholly on the collective of men to do that? That that couldn't
04:36:43
Jim Bobhappen with the collective of women. So, you're saying women can't change things in the world? That's right. Collectively, yes. When it comes to
04:36:53
Jim Bobforce and enforcement, you couldn't collectively get a group of women to enforce or remove rights. A collective
04:37:02
Jim Bobof men could do it, right? It's sexist to say that. Yeah, that's a sexist thing to say that women couldn't change. Well, it's descript Well, it's
04:37:12
Jim Bobdescriptively true that you as women rely on collectively men to defend and enforce the violation of rights. That's
04:37:21
Jim Boblike saying Rosa Parks said nothing. Wait, what? What? Just like women can change.
04:37:29
Jim BobWhat? What the I just literally reset my Nintendo. Um, isn't it the case that the Let's So, let's let's take it simple. Okay. Rights themselves. The violation
04:37:40
Jim Bobof rights requires an enforcement arm, right? So, if you violate someone's rights, a group of men with muscle and guns come in and take you away. Correct. And let's make it simple with crayons,
04:37:52
Carly Roseright? Okay. Group of men taking you with guns. What mumbling? I said, "Okay."
04:38:02
Jim BobOkay. So, if that's the case, the appeal to rights itself supposes a discriminatory expectation, an obligation for men
04:38:13
Jim Bobcollectively that doesn't apply to women. So to believe in rights and to advocate for rights, women's rights, the fact that you rely wholly on a collective of men to enforce those
04:38:24
Jim Bobrights and and the violation of such is sexist. You're discriminatory toward men to do that for you. Cuz be why? Because you guys can't do it yourself collectively.
04:38:35
Jim BobAre you sexist? What makes you say that? What makes you say that? What makes you say that? What makes I say that? What What kind of question is that? What the [ __ ] What kind of question is that? See, the way you talk to women is also
04:38:46
Jim Bobdegrading. Like, you're all you're talking to us. Yeah, tone policing. I mean, it's just tone policing, but Oh, so you literally addressed nothing. I said, none of what I said just went through your little brain. Is there anyone on the panel who understands what
04:38:59
Jim BobI just said? Sometimes it's hard when you're being rude to understand with that tone of voice. Tone voicing. Anyone? That didn't ask the question. Uh, chair one, do you understand what I just said? Yes. Can you give it back to me? Because I I
04:39:12
Taylor Moorehonestly think no one else on the panel can. I'm sorry, but go ahead. I do believe that other women on this panel could give it back to you, but since you asked me, I will. You're saying that in order to have power, there needs to be
04:39:24
Taylor Moorean enforcing arm. So that women need men to enforce their rights. Otherwise, the rest of men will proceed to take them away and vice versa, that women don't have that systemic ability. So um so
04:39:36
Jim Bobwomen need men in order to give them their rights because they cannot form like all women cannot overpower all men. Beautiful. Is that discriminatory? I'm not making a judgment about the discrimination by the way. I'm just
04:39:47
Jim Bobasking you is that discriminatory? No, that's not discriminatory. That's just based in facts. It's just based in fact. So the fact is that there's a a a
04:39:58
Jim Bobdelineation a clear distinction between men and women in regards to what they are, how they are, what they're capable of. And and for for people to even claim
04:40:09
Jim Bobsexism either way, right? There's no way of escaping this problem that men and women are different. Even if you point to some sort of weird exception to the rule, for the most part, I don't think I
04:40:22
Jim Bobcould have put it better myself than chair one. She gave it back perfectly. Descriptively, it's the case that women rely on men and assume the obligation of collective men to protect their rights.
04:40:34
Jim BobBut they don't assume that for women. Now, why how is it related to the bear thing? It is related because Brian, you know, as as as high effort as he tried to do with you guys, he draw drew out
04:40:46
Jim Bobthis this problem, this double standard you guys have with the bear and another statistical element of race uh and crime. You guys couldn't engage with it.
04:40:56
Jim BobSo, we're going to skip to the male female thing. Is it sexist to assume and and expect protection of from men? Is it sexist to assume that and
04:41:09
Jim Bobexpect it from men, but you don't expect it from
04:41:14
Jim Bobwomen? Just silence. Just just like a It's like a [ __ ] It's like a It's like a It's like a It's like a meditation retreat right now.
04:41:28
Brian AtlasI mean, I I think the way it has to be taken is they're just essentially conceding the point. If they're not willing to forward an actual argument or counterargument, then they're just going to have to seed the point. Uh, but I
04:41:39
Brian Atlaswill uh I do want to kind of get a little further into this. So, you said the podcast is sexist. We kind of went back and forth on the definition of
04:41:51
Brian Atlassexism. Why don't you articulate how the podcast is sexist?
04:42:07
Carly RoseYeah, I'm not sure. Just it seems just like typical red pill. What is that? Give me an example of that. Just like guys attacking women like Yeah, give me
04:42:17
Carly Rosea specific give me an example. Like shutting us down, things like that. like you you it's your argument or nothing. Like there's no winning for us no matter what we say. We're challenging your
04:42:28
Carly Roseworldview. Do you think challenging Wait, it's almost challenging is fine, but it's like to challenge a woman is to be sexist. It's one thing to challenge like an opinion or a viewpoint. It's another thing to have your mind set in stone that where you can't change it.
04:42:42
Carly RoseUsually when you go into an argument or debate, you're one person is willing to change their mind at some point or at least be open to hearing a new point of view. That wouldn't make you sexist if
04:42:52
Brian Atlasyou go into an argument refusing to changing your mind. You most people go into a position. It's just close-minded. Like I'm just Okay, sure. Fine. It can I
04:43:02
Brian AtlasI'll go ahead and agree that it could be close-minded. Okay, sure. Then say it is close-minded then. Yeah, it's a great goalpost shift, but I'm still waiting to hear an example of how the podcast is sexist. I tried to give you one, but
04:43:14
Carly Roseit's not it's not good enough. That was my That was my What was So, how is it sexist? That was my input right there. What I just said that we challenge your worldview. It's not challenging the
04:43:27
Carly Roseworldview. We literally You just when we go into something, it feels like because we're you, you know, we're all women. We're saying you're saying something. We're saying something. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.
04:43:37
Carly RoseAnd you just you don't want you we wouldn't be able to have your mind changed at all by any of us, right? It's only your way or the highway. So I feel like that's a little sexist. How would
04:43:49
Brian Atlasbe how would that be sexist because you won't allow a woman to show you anything new? Hold on. So if it was about how they feel like if it was a man in your position espousing the exact same Hold on. Hold on. If it was a guy sitting
04:44:03
Carly Rosethere espousing the exact same viewpoints, I would challenge them all the same. Right. But I can put myself in your shoes. You won't put yourself in our shoes. Yes. I would make the same argument that you haven't conceded anything. You No, you told me how would
04:44:15
Carly Roseyou feel? You know, if like you know when you're grappling, you see a girl grappling with a guy, right? And you in your head you're saying guys think a certain way and they're firing off in their brain. It's all close and sexual
04:44:27
Carly Roseand they're getting sexual intrusion thoughts, right? So that's how men perceive it, right? You perceive it as well, a man is just going to think all these impulsive thoughts and um as a
04:44:38
Carly Rosewoman opinion. How would that be sexist? But go ahead. Right. No, it's a and then then I'm saying as a woman, I think the same way about running into a man like you do. I think, oh, he could do this, he could do that. And then you think the
04:44:50
Carly Rosesame way as, oh, well, this and that could happen. It's the probability. Whereas like if you go into a nightclub and you're saying a woman's going to get hit on equivalence, it's not really the it's not because if you go into you don't feel as comfortable oneon-one with
04:45:03
Carly Rosea man alone as a woman. And just like you wouldn't want your girl in the club cuz all these things could happen. It's the same kind of concept. You're like saying that we're not allowed to have these opinions and feelings. It's not
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Carly Rosesexist to have these opinions and feelings just like you have as a man these opinions and feelings about other men in the in the club like and about
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Carly Rosewomen. So when a woman goes in your your dynamic is that she can't handle being
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Brian Atlashit on by all these people. So, um, sorry. I mean, it's it's not a it's not an equivalent this preference and also I
04:45:42
Brian Atlaslisted out multiple other reasons as to why it's an issue for me, but I don't see that that mapping on one to one. I I do. In any
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Brian Atlascase, you're saying there's a double standard that exists. I haven't yet heard an actual example of how the show or how I or how Jim Bob is sexist. You can say we're mean. You can
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Brian Atlassay we're jerks. You can say we're close-minded. Okay. Then we'll we'll go with closed mind. Okay. So, you're walking back the sexist. Okay. All right. It's ridiculous, but
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Brian Atlasum and I just want you to know that I think you're sexist. Okay. So, there you have it, folks. Good. There you have it. I need to read read these chats here. Um,
04:46:29
Brian Atlaslet's see. Lucas, their protestations, notwithstanding, the entire panel is nothing more than a cadre of man-hating feminism. Unfortunately for them, the only byproduct of this dogmatic
04:46:38
Brian Atlasmanhatred is to ferment, to which he responds, "Real and actual misogyny," which, if you haven't noticed, is becoming more and more prevalent. But hey, keep on spouting off your feminist
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Brian Atlasvapid prattle. You sew the wind, you reap the whirlwind. Oh my goodness. Shakespeare. This guy [ __ ] Shakespare. Oh, it's Lucas. God dang
04:47:01
Brian AtlasLucas. That was beautiful. That was beautiful. Oh, Rachel Wilson. If I was making the same argument as Jim Bob, you would you wouldn't call them sexist. He is objectively right. You objectively
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Brian Atlasare tarted. That's from Rachel Wilson. Yikes. Good times. Good talk. Good talk. Okay. Um, thank you, Rachel. W. Uh, here. Rachel gets the pass on the U chair two. Brian
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Brian Atlasand Jim Bob are factually correct and logical. There are rules to debate. You have failed to make a coherent argument. They are correct. Just stick to being cute. You're not cut out for thinking. Do you want to respond to a real woman
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Carly Roseprofile? No, that's uh Rachel. We've had her on the show. That's Rachel Wilson. Oh, I guess. Okay. All right. I'm sorry. Do you want to respond to Rachel Wilson? She's says you're not cut out for $20.
04:47:44
Carly RoseDon't even hilarious. That's so funny. Um yeah, I mean she can think whatever she wants. Tell her send a 100. Yes. Send more money. Send more money.
04:47:55
Brian AtlasRachel, if a bear came into the studio, I would 100% Christopher makes a good point here. Debates and arguments are not meant to change the interlocutor's minds.
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Brian AtlasUsually, it's for the audience. Yeah. Anyways, um okay, that was that was an interesting exchange. Um, sorry, Jim. Bob, did you Were you saying something or I not sure if he was like
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Jim Bobtrying to get my I was asking my chat who's going to pay for my brain injury. It's a good It's a good Yeah, I think I think the women here should step up as