Perfect "10" WILL NOT Settle For LESS Than Jake Gyllenhaal?! SUPER FERAL PANEL?! | Dating Talk #240
Date: 2025-04-28
Duration: 7h 18m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_03Taylor Moore(guest)
SPEAKER_04Carly Rose(guest)
SPEAKER_05Samantha (Tucson)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Jim Bob(guest)
SPEAKER_09Ruby(guest)
SPEAKER_10Lily Fior(guest)
SPEAKER_12Felicity(guest)
SPEAKER_13McKinley(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:24
IntroAll guests introduced including jiu-jitsu athlete, virgin soccer player, adult film parodist
01:36:00
Key MomentCarly reveals she does not want children — becomes central debate topic
04:07:00
ControversyBear vs man: Brian draws racism analogy. If bear over Black person = racist, then bear over man = sexist.
05:45:00
Key MomentSamantha: son's father killed in shooting. Subsequent boyfriend shot 6 times.
06:04:00
Key MomentSamantha: mother kicked her out at 16, pressured into abortion. Still took back cheating abusive boyfriend.
06:52:00
Key MomentTaylor Moore challenges Jim Bob to fight at her gym. Would double-leg and arm bar him.
Topics Discussed
00:04:24
Guest Introductions
Taylor Moore (jiu-jitsu), Carly Rose (model/no kids), Samantha (OF/single mom), Ruby, Lily Fior (adult parodist), McKinley (virgin soccer player), Jim Bob.
00:38:00
Jiu-Jitsu and Infidelity Risk
Tom Brady/Gisele example. Is jiu-jitsu's physical intimacy an infidelity risk?
01:30:00
Marriage and Children Debate
Carly does not want children. Jim Bob: women waste 10-15 fertile years. Ruby says men in 20s also waste time.
03:09:00
Jake Gyllenhaal and League Theory
Carly insists she matches Jake Gyllenhaal's level. Brian explains league theory.
04:07:00
Bear vs Man
Samantha/Ruby/Carly choose bear. Taylor/McKinley/Felicity choose man. Brian draws racism analogy.
05:18:00
Samantha Tweets/TikTok Roast
Brian reads Samantha's tweets. Jim Bob improvises country song from them. Samantha's stories: son's father killed, boyfriend shot 6 times, mother forced abortion, Nashville deception.
06:48:00
Body Count Round
Samantha ~60. Taylor 6. McKinley 0 (virgin). Lily declined.
06:52:00
Taylor vs Jim Bob Fight Challenge
Taylor challenges Jim Bob to come to her gym. She'd double-leg and arm bar him.
Transcript
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01:55:21
Rubyto be promiscuous? I think that's what's wrong with society. Like really um trying to uh you know I don't I don't know promote sex. Yeah. Like like
01:55:33
Rubypromote Yeah. promote sex. That's to me that's really damaging not only for women but for men because though women may be putting that content out there,
01:55:43
Rubyyou know, the customers are the men, you know, like it it it's not it's not one without the other. They're both equally responsible for nurturing and building this type of society. Now, we've been
01:55:55
Rubyinsensitized to it and we see it as normal. And so, would you be willing to shame people that you knew for? I would never shame anyone. No, I that's not that's not my point. That's not my
01:56:07
Rubyposition. That's not shame. I'm not That's not my position to shame anyone. That's your first of all, like the shaming does not come from God. That he doesn't he doesn't do that, right?
01:56:18
RubyCondemnation does not come from God. He comes to make you righteous. Exactly. But he No, righteous judgment. Righteous judge. Ex. Judgment, not shame. Right. That there's shame comes from sin. If
01:56:31
Jim Bobyour child, if you if you correct your child, right, for something they did and they feel shame, even if you corrected them and it ended in them feeling shame, uh you still correct them even if they
01:56:42
Rubyfeel shame. it I I would say um if you're correcting them you are disciplining them and it comes from a place of love and understanding. So if you're disciplining I asked I asked a
01:56:52
Jim Bobvery hold on a second I asked a very specific question if you come from love right if you are guiding and not commanding uh if you say if you correct and discipline if it just so happens
01:57:05
Jim Bobthat your child or whoever you're disciplining feels shame it doesn't negate the correction right I think the shame came from the action not the discipline right I agree so you're not going to answer or I didn't ask where it
01:57:17
Rubycame from I said do you still correct people's behavior Even if it ends in an outcome where they feel shame, I can't control how they will feel. So if they feel shame, I know
01:57:28
RubyI know. Oh, let me finish. Um, if I correct them and they feel shame, that's that's them. Like I can't control how you feel after you've been corrected.
01:57:40
Jim BobBut I will. Great. So I'll reframe so I'll reframe the question. Do you do you think it's a good idea to correct women who are uh following suit with a high promiscuity count? How how would you correct a woman? Tell
01:57:53
Jim Bobthem that they're doing something damaging to themselves. I think they already know that. And no, no, you can't just think they already know that because what are we in a society that most women think it's empowering because
01:58:04
Carly Roseof feminism? Exactly. They lead by What about leading by example? I for example don't do Only Fans or anything like that. that and I've been peer pressured many times in the industry to do certain
01:58:16
Carly Rosethings like sex work sex work but it's not something that I would like to do want to do or morally align with. So I yeah I think that's where it comes from.
01:58:28
Jim BobYou know you're able to I'm saying that the I'm not asking what you guys think you you could do or not do or what you think is right or wrong. I'm saying that we as as humans in society, men and
01:58:38
Jim Bobwomen, have an obligation to correct other people in our society. But the thing is, everyone's so afraid afraid to correct people that degeneracy ends up being some sort of like virtuous heroic
01:58:50
Jim Bobthing and everyone's championing it. Now we're in a basically a disaster uh culturally. Societ society we're in a disaster. Not only are women thinking that uh you know promiscuity now they're even to men they
01:59:04
Carly Rosecan have sex. They're well they're making so much money doing it because of the men who want to contribute to it. Hold on hold on a second. If the men want that and they can't get it, for
01:59:14
Jim Bobinstance, if AI takes over all of the Only Fans accounts, right, in the in the next two years, totally fake women, right? If those men still do that, that's an act against them, right? But
01:59:26
Jim Bobwhat what will women do, right, to compete with that for for those of you selling your bodies online, right? What are you going to do when when that kind of takes the place? Because what we're
01:59:36
Jim Bobwhat I'm saying and many people like me are saying you women have been sold a lie but uh the partial truth to the lie is that the leverage you have is your sex is your virtue, your virginity and
01:59:49
Jim Bobyour ability to be mothers for for families. And what happened is feminism told you [ __ ] power. Your power is the [ __ ] and and that's true actually. It's true. It's just that they've inverted
02:00:00
Jim Boband and told you go use it. That's your power. Well, no. It's disempowering. You've been lied to. You think it's freedom. It's not. You're literally destroying not only your connections to
02:00:11
Taylor Moorepeople, but you're destroying your value economically out on the field. I It's completely destroyed. I understand and agree with that. I think for the purpose of like when you originally raised the
02:00:22
Taylor Moorequestion about like righteous judgment and whose right it is to judge, like just because like I personally don't partake in those activities either, but I also don't judge other women. Um, just because I like I have my own opinions
02:00:35
Taylor Mooreabout like what I want to do for my body and like what I would want for my future daughters, but that doesn't mean that I'm necessarily looking down on other women for it. And I also feel like it's kind of it's kind of like skillbased
02:00:46
Taylor Moorematchmaking in terms of men. It's like if you're a man and you don't want to be with a woman who's done Only Fans or has done certain things, then you as a man can just choose to not date women who do
02:00:55
Jim Bobthat. I don't think that it needs to be a matter of like shame or or or like I don't need to please other women's bodies. This is this is absurd. if you're going to have a future where you're going to be a mother, God
02:01:08
Jim Bobwilling, and I hope you will, I think you'll make a great mother, just based on what you've said tonight, is that as as soon as your your um your daughters turn 18 and let's say their friends tell
02:01:20
Jim Bobthem selling your body on Only Fans is empowering and they start believing their friends, are you not going to come in and judge the action? We're not talking about judging the heart. We're talking about judging the action and
02:01:31
Taylor Moorecoming in as a mother and saying, "No, that's not empowering. that woman's wrong. That's the wrong thing to do. Is that a judgment? I think that we're kind of not talking about individuals versus generalities. I would police my daughter
02:01:44
Taylor Mooreabout that because that is my individual. I'm talking about on a larger societal scale of me policing women as a whole is what I'm saying that I don't want to do. I would discipline my child and my daughter if that's what
02:01:56
Taylor Mooreshe decided to do. I would not be in favor of that behavior as a mother. Um, but I can't I can't enforce my values onto other individual women. You can state them, but you can't enforce them. Yeah, I can state I can tell them I can just make the statement that that's not
02:02:09
Taylor Moorewhat I want to do. That's not what I wish for other women and that's not what I wish for. An I statement versus you statement, but I'm not going to be like, "Hey, you don't make an Only Fans. That's not my business. Let's do it. Let's Let's say you have a best friend and you both have kids at the same time
02:02:22
Jim Boband they both end up being uh girls, right? And at 18, they're still friends. the one f your friend's daughter gets into this starts influencing your daughter you end up talking to the
02:02:33
Jim Bobmother do you tell if you have the chance do you try to correct out of love correct that mother and say I think they're doing the wrong thing I think you should correct this yes I would an
02:02:43
Taylor Mooreindividual level rather than a societal level what is a society made of uh people I understand that you're going to a society is made out of like a larger scale and I understand that I'm just saying that like for for me I would tell the the mother and like the at that
02:02:57
Taylor Moorepoint I would imagine that I would view this girl as like my niece and my familiar person that I need to like make sure that she doesn't go down the wrong path. Um but I don't think that the Yes. And I I feel like the average woman doesn't need to hear my condemnation for
02:03:10
Jim Bobher only fans. She already knows. Hold on. If it's good if it's good at the micro level of the family and the extended family, which is your community and people you look at as even if they're not blood related, you look at as your cousins and your and your
02:03:22
Jim Bobfriends and your aunts and all these things. If that's true at that level and you think that's good, how could you say it's uh not something that you ought to do uh each phase out, you know what I
02:03:33
Jim Bobmean? Like you zoom out uh the collective, the city now, the state now, the the country. How could it possibly be a bad thing to step in as women? This is what's missing. Men are starting to
02:03:45
Jim Bobunderstand this. Hold on a second. Men are starting to understand women are misled and men have been following each other. Misled men, misled women. Men are starting to correct now because why?
02:03:56
Jim BobBecause they're realizing that they want a high value woman and that's a mother. A mother and and a wife. And women, some of you are actually finding out a high value man is actually the father and the protector and the provider the of the
02:04:08
Jim Bobhouse, right? And so if this is happening, I'm not sure what you could possibly say uh would be good about just removing yourself from the participation of pointing and saying maybe that's not
02:04:21
McKinleygood for you. Um, I'm just going to say like how you're saying how it's different for her to say it to like aunts and nieces and whatever. Um, those are people that value that opinion. She could say that to someone that she doesn't know and
02:04:33
Samantha (Tucson)they're going to be like, "Okay, well, [ __ ] you. You don't agree with me." I can make that point because what are you talking about? I can make that point because I'm the only one on here, right, that does, well, you do Only Fans, too, right? We both do that. But I mean, like, respectfully, whatever she says
02:04:46
Jim Bobwouldn't matter to me. Exactly. It's not it's not something that and that was the point that I was making as well that like I'm not going to tell you not to have your only person do that for myself. So it doesn't matter to you right now. Therefore anyone you say that
02:04:58
Samantha (Tucson)to it won't impact. Are you kidding me? I just feel like it's just just carrying that burden of you feeling like you have to tell every girl you meet not to do Only Fans or not to do sex work or not to do this with their body would be just
02:05:09
Jim Bobwaste of your time. Honestly, you can do other stuff better. Jim Bob, final thought on this? I'm just saying I'm not saying you go out with this. No, I know what you're trying to say. I know what you're trying to say. I just feel like I agree with you. I think I'll give you a
02:05:21
Jim Bobpoint here is that you do want some relatedness to be able to say these things. I agree with that. But I the hypothetical I'm pointing to isn't walking up to strangers and doing this. I'm saying that if you have the
02:05:32
Jim Bobopportunity to promote to promote this or let's say the opposite of promoting only fans and promiscuity and all this, feminism basically on net balance is trash. like will you call it out if you
02:05:44
Jim Bobcould? And I think the answer is yes. I'm not saying I'm I'm asking what could possibly be bad about uh fighting against lies to young women. I understand what you're
02:05:55
Taylor Mooresaying and I I actually do do that on my platform is I talk about how like you don't have to like show your body to um to be empowered and I don't personally
02:06:05
Taylor Mooredo any like explicit or adult content or anything like that. Um, and I do say that on my platform because I know that a bunch of little girls watch my content. Um, a lot of young women watch my jiu-jitsu content and I want to be a
02:06:19
Taylor Mooregood example, but I don't necessar I don't make my entire platform about like crusading against Only Fans. I just lead by example about like saying that that's not what I want to do. And people often ask me like, "Where's the link? Where's the link?" And I'm like, "That's not
02:06:30
Taylor Mooresomething that I ever want to And I just not having one and saying that in my comment sections like I've never done content and I never intend on doing content and I don't believe that that's a good example. But I'm not I'm not
02:06:42
Jim Bobbanging you down the doors if only fans women. Exactly. What if someone approached you and I'll let Brian you move on after this? I see you want to go on to the next thing. Um what if someone DMs you and says I'm doing this. Um
02:06:54
Taylor Mooreshould I do it? I'd say no. I'd say please do everything else that you could possibly do first. Absolutely. Again, those are that's someone that would value her opinion. Mhm. Yeah. And how do you develop valuing
02:07:07
Jim Bobsomeone's opinion, right? By by leading by example, too. By leading by example, that's the biggest thing here. So, yeah. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just saying with your example, you would it would only matter if someone values your opinion. With
02:07:18
Jim Bobposit positive uh female expression, wherever you want to call it, she said you can counter it just by not having one. Mhm. I'm just I'm just saying that
02:07:27
Jim Boblike for women to actually promote u uh wholesomeness, uh true femininity, right, motherhood, they don't we're oversaturated in the opposite. And I don't know if you you women understand
02:07:39
Jim Bobthis, that the the ratio of the [ __ ] you see that is about uh liberation of women versus the images you see of powerful mothers, right, mothering their children is just so desperate desperate right
02:07:50
Jim Bobnow. And that's what I'm saying is that we need more of women demonstrating and showing motherhood. But how do you do that without advocating to women to do that? We can't just expect them to just
02:08:00
Jim Bobjust, you know, not not they, in other words, they need to be pulled out of their feminist paradigm. It needs to be completely demolished. Okay, that's that's my position. Like like you said, um society is built by people by
02:08:13
Rubyindividuals. So I think that the biggest the biggest um difference you can make is you being the difference. If you're the difference, you're already working
02:08:23
Brian Atlastowards towards that. Yeah. All right. Uh, someone sent in Oh, no. He bought something on uh shop.what whatever.com. Looks like he bought a uh a hoodie.
02:08:33
Brian AtlasThank you so much, man. Appreciate it. Seven seazz. Sorry, I don't know how to say your name. You don't understand the difference in men and women. You're going clubbing and marketing yourself would compare to your boyfriend going
02:08:45
McKinleyout and talking to other women but not having sex with them. You want to respond to that really quick? Are they saying there's something wrong with my boyfriend like going and talking to other girls? I'm confused. Well, like if he's not flirting, I
02:08:57
Brian Atlasguess. Well, I'm not flirting with other guys, so that's that's not why she's she's not going out to market herself. Well, I mean, there's a difference between how men and women operate. So, for example, women aren't like, for example, a guy goes to a bar or club, he
02:09:10
Brian Atlasmight approach 10 different women that night and shoot a shot with 10 different women. Women don't go out to bars and clubs and shoot their shot. if they are interested in meeting a guy, they'll just go to the bar and club and they'll typically just put themselves in a
02:09:22
Brian Atlasposition to be approached. Now, I'm not again speaking in general, excuse me, generalities here. Do some women approach guys? Sure. It's super rare. Most women don't do it. Most women don't
02:09:33
Brian Atlashave to do it because men just do it deacto. But because of this differential, so once you get into a relationship, we all agree here that neither the man or the woman should be
02:09:46
Brian Atlaslike approaching or sliding it into a DM. We both agree that would be wrong for the woman to do, wrong for the man to do. But this is the paradigm in which men uh flirt is they take the
02:09:58
Brian Atlasinitiative, they approach, they send the DM, whatever it is. But we don't really clamp down on women's means of getting men once
02:10:08
Brian Atlasthey're in a relationship. And so the way women sort of market themselves or advertise themselves is to go out to bars and clubs, put yourself in a position to be approached. And then
02:10:20
Brian Atlasadditionally, for example, if you're posting thirst traps on Instagram, a woman's not going to slide into a dude's DMs, but she's going to be posting thirst traps and then solicit soliciting essentially men to DM her. Personally, I
02:10:33
Carly Rosedon't go to the bars or the clubs to meet anyone because I've always been told by my grandpa and my father that those are horrible places to meet men. The men you meet there are not going to be high value men typically. and
02:10:46
Brian Atlasspeaking in generalities, you just to be clear, just for the sake of this conversation because otherwise we're going to get in this trap of always going to you with your exception to the rule thing. I'm specifically addressing
02:10:58
Brian Atlasher point about she wants to go to the club. I get that there's women stated she's not marketing herself though. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Okay, you don't understand. If you're a woman and you go to just worried about her being
02:11:09
Brian Atlasapproached and it's okay. you if you're a woman and you go to the bar or club, you are putting yourself in a position to be approached. I guess I view the world differently because I go to the
02:11:20
Brian Atlasstore, I go anywhere and I'm constantly approached. So, um the solicism is crazy. It's always me me. Like with you, you you're not seeing the bigger picture here of other people. Put yourself in
02:11:31
Brian Atlasthe same shoes. It's the same. It's literally most girls. Yeah, I agree. But the difference is like I don't think it's first of all I think the likelihood of a girl being approached like so just
02:11:42
Brian Atlasto be clear every single time y'all every single time you guys go out to Trader Joe's every time you get approached three times honestly. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I was just out. I'm not
02:11:55
Brian Atlaseven kidding. I'm not kidding. I could post up I could post up. You guys aren't crazy. I could post up at a Trader Joe's. I could post up at a Trader Joe's and maybe I might see some people saying
02:12:08
Brian Atlassomething here or there, but most people they go whether you're a man or woman, you go, you do your shopping. Have you been a woman in Los Angeles at all? I have eyeballs and I can see what's happening. Have you been a woman in Los Angeles? Have you been in a big city? I
02:12:20
Carly Rosemean there even in small cities I get approached constantly. So I would think many women get approached constantly as well. It's not just me. So, to be clear, you're you're prepared to make the
02:12:31
Carly Rosestatement. Every single time you go out to do grocery shopping, three guys in that grocery store approach you. Really? I wouldn't say every single time, but off the Not even just in the grocery store, on the way. I can be in my car
02:12:43
Brian Atlasand it's the most annoying thing in the whole world because in the car, men will stare at women literally. Oh, wow. Okay, that's Wow. Great shifting the goalpost there. So it went from, well, you want me to not be me. So I'm like just I'm
02:12:56
Carly Roseliterally just It can't be about me, right? So I don't know. I've been You literally made it about you about how you get stared at when I'm sorry being stared at. Have you ever Maybe they just
02:13:08
Carly Roselook in your direction. The hollering. It It starts with the staring and then they start if you even, God forbid, look their way. Um they'll start to instigate something. And okay, look, I'll make it super simple.
02:13:20
Brian AtlasNobody is disputing that women get approached at the grocery store. That's not in dispute. However, if I were to compare if you were a betting woman and you had to bet your life savings on
02:13:32
Brian Atlaswhat's a greater likelihood, is is a woman more likely to go uh get fingerbanged at Trader Joe's or on the patio of some [ __ ] nightclub? Because trust me, I've seen
02:13:45
Brian Atlaswomen getting finger banged. You just said the word finger banged. That's the [ __ ] word I'm using. These chicks be getting [ __ ] fingerbanged at the club and [ __ ] They're going to party. They're [ __ ]
02:13:57
Brian Atlasdudes like in the bathroom at the [ __ ] club. That's real. That's real doing that. Wait, she see. No, just cuz girls are doing it doesn't mean I'm doing it. What the hell? I know. I know.
02:14:08
McKinleyIt's the I know. But I guess it's all about intention, too. I guess when I said I'm going out, you guys think that I'm like going to the club. Like I'm barely 18. Like there's like one she's like college parties, right? Um college
02:14:20
McKinleyparties are worse. College or I'm at community college. I'm at a community college. I say that college would be worse. College parties are worse than that. Well, so I am at a community college. So I will say like people at
02:14:32
McKinleycommunity colleges like are not as eager to make friends. So there's not as many parties. So but I will say like when I say going out, I guess I could mean like my two best friends had a birthday the other day and it was just our closest friends there and that's going out. I
02:14:44
Brian Atlaswasn't looking for anyone. I was just I was with my friends out. Yeah. I think like a dinner with your girlfriends. I don't think that's a big deal. That's not what I was talking about. It wasn't a dinner. It was It was not a dinner. Where did you When you Okay. Were your
02:14:57
Brian Atlasfriends drinking? Yeah, my friends were drinking. Okay. Were was it a party? Yeah. It was their birthday party. Hold on. Just to be clear, when you say birthday party, so you went Did you go
02:15:08
McKinleyout to a restaurant? No, no, no. It was at my friend's house. They're twins. That's why I'm saying that. So, were they throwing a party? Yeah, it was a party, but it wasn't like a ton of people I didn't know. It was like all my friends. How many people were there? How
02:15:21
McKinleymany people? I want to say there was like 40 cuz it was like they have an older sister. Her friends were there. That's party. No, I get that. But I'm not going there looking for anyone. I'm just having a good time with my friends. Wait, I have a question for you. So, the only thing you've ever done with a guy
02:15:33
Brian Atlasis kiss them. Yeah. Like make out like with tongue. Yeah. Yo, Bails, thanks for the gifted memberships. All right. Um, IROL Bales, thank you for the gifted 20. We have a TTS coming through. I'm
02:15:46
Brian Atlasgoing to let the rest of the chats come through. One sec, guys. Thank you, man. Gloavius. Glorious. What the hell?
02:15:56
SPEAKER_06Someone wrap on the beatbox thing. [Laughter] Wow. Thank you. That was really the
02:16:07
Brian Atlasmoney. You got $100. like it. He paid $100. All right. Uh, we have a bunch of chats coming in. We have Lucas. Um, one sec. Not Lucas. Oh, he's back again. Why
02:16:19
Brian Atlasthe hell would a high caliber a affluent man financial entangle and jeopardize half his wealth to marry you if you're not willing to have kids? What do you offer that a friends with benefits doesn't? And he goes on to continue just
02:16:32
Brian Atlasa moment before I have you give your response. He says, "If anything, given that you're both depreciating assets, a friends with benefits can be swapped out for a younger and newer model once fully
02:16:44
Brian Atlasamortized and depreciated." Okay, some financial terms there. Thank you, Lucas. Um, Lucas is boring. Dang, Lucas spent $500 tonight. So nasty. Quick response to Lucas if
02:16:57
Samantha (Tucson)you'd like. Lucas, are you going to trade out your wife for a younger woman when she gets too old for you? Right. Leonardo DiCaprio. Dude, he's dating someone that's like an 06. Isn't that crazy? No one over 25. What do you mean? Leonardo. Oh, no. They just said
02:17:09
McKinleyLeonardo DiCaprio. Why is that crazy? He's dating someone that's like No, he's dating someone that's an ' 06 and like I'm 06 and like he could totally be my dad. Like that's just crazy. Wait, why is that crazy? Cuz that's so creepy. That is so That's like how what's her
02:17:22
Brian Atlasname? Bonnie Blue is like, "Oh, I want like barely legals." That's so creepy. That's like boring. I mean, Bonnie Blue is a little different cuz she's like trying to she's like doing sex. No, but I just think that like old people going after young people. I think high value
02:17:34
Jim Bobmen are also not ran through. Isn't her isn't her supposed Leonardo is supposed to go for an old bag that's you know has a how many sex partners when I feel like if he was a value he'd have kids right
02:17:47
Jim Bobnow. I wouldn't want to be with him. No, I'm just saying you're just saying creepy doesn't really do anything because Well, I think that if you're high value, you would probably have kids by the time you're 52. Second, hold on a second. High value for a woman is
02:17:59
Jim Bobfertility. That's the only value of women. Is that what I'm clarifying? High value. High value would include fertility and for men to look at women. The ones who are fertile will be younger. And you're just
02:18:11
McKinleysaying it's creepy. And yet at the same But what makes Leonardo perspective high value? What makes Leonardo Leonardo? What? Cuz he has money. Like is that his only value? Like I'm so confused. I don't know. He's pretty talented. I
02:18:23
Carly Rosemean, yeah, he's talented, but I mean, I wouldn't mess there. I also agree that you shouldn't be ran through as a man. You should want if you're looking to settle down, that's what you're also looking to do. He's not looking to settle down. He's made that clear. He's
02:18:35
Jim Bobjust going through going through. I think he I think he's actually correct, but that we're not talking about whether or not he wants to settle down. We're talking about what is it that men are coded basically programmed to look at
02:18:48
Jim Bobfor the first and foremost thing that they're looking at from a female. It's it's to procreate with them. And to procreate with them, they need to be fertile. So, uh, younger women, 20,
02:18:59
Jim Bobwhatever. You finding it creepy that a 50-year-old is pursuing a 20-year-old. Well, let's change the situation. Let's say Leon Leonardo DiCaprio had a had an epiphany. He said, "Oh my god, I've wasted my whole life. I need to be a
02:19:12
McKinleyfather. I want to be a father. I'm moved to be a father." And they and he meets a young woman who's willing to be a mother. Is it still creepy? Um, if she like if he's wants to have children, I don't think that he would necessarily want to have children with an
02:19:24
Jim Bob18-year-old if he re looking for someone a little bit older. Answer hypotheticals. I said if it's the case I did answer your hypothetical. No, Leonardo DiCaprio. I didn't ask what you think Leon Leonardo DiCaprio is
02:19:37
Jim Bobthinking. I'm saying then he might not find a high value woman. Let him finish. Let him finish. If he says if he says I want to be a father now. I've wasted all my years. I've I've made horrors of all
02:19:47
McKinleyof these women. I want a family and he meets a woman who's 20 and she wants to be a mother. Is it still creepy if that's the context? Um, no. I was saying it was creepy that he was dating an 18-year-old and he does not want to
02:20:00
McKinleysettle down. That's what I was saying. You're making a hypothetical and like making me answer completely different questions. Not what I was saying. That's totally fine. But here's but here's the thing. If you if it's only creepy because of the intentions, how is it not
02:20:13
Jim Bobcreepy for people to just [ __ ] bang each other with no intention to settle down? Why are you asking me that? I never said that wasn't creepy. That's your standard. No, I know. But any like No, but that's your standard. Don't you have
02:20:25
Taylor MooreI mean, you lead a little bit uh liberal, don't you? In far in so far as women. When did she say that? No, she didn't. When did she say that? I could be wrong. That's She never once said I'm I'm liberal or lean that way. And all of
02:20:37
Jim Bobthe views she's expressed have been relatively conservative. They actually really have. I've seen some reaction relative from what I've said. And I was wondering if
02:20:48
Jim Bobshe going out liberation liberation above something else here. Wait, what do you mean freedom? Do you do you value female liberation? Like for instance, I'll ask you a harder hypothetical. Is
02:21:00
Jim Bobit more valuable to you that women are fully liberated in their rights and expression than uh to be constrained by societal pressures to be mothers?
02:21:11
McKinleyUm I guess it depends on what their end goal is. If someone wants to be a mother, it's that's probably liberating to them. I mean, I want to be a mom eventually. I don't want to be a mom now, but I think it would be very liberating for me to eventually be a
02:21:24
McKinleymom. But if someone um like she doesn't want to have kids, it's probably very liberating to not have kids and do stuff that makes her happy, right? So happiness uh what the woman
02:21:36
Jim Bobwants to make her happy above any sort of obligations for society. Wouldn't you want to be happy? I don't care if she holds traditional positions or is partial to understanding
02:21:48
Jim Bobtraditional positions. So happiness equals feminist is what you're saying. If it's the case, if it's the case that you're a female and you value your own freedom and liberation to be happy and
02:22:00
Jim Bobyou want, you think first and foremost that women should be happy, right? Which is totally like arbitrary, by the way. Over I'd love to know why. Do you want your wife to be unhappy? Is your wife happy? Do you want your wife to be
02:22:13
McKinleyhappy? Do you? No, I'm asking you a question. I'm asking you a question. Do you want your wife to be happy? This is why women can't think rationally. I think you should answer her question. Why can't you answer my question? You're still doing it. I heard five questions.
02:22:25
McKinleyShe asked, "Do you want your wife to be happy? Do you want your wife to be happy?" My wife's happiness doesn't trump her obligation to be a mother. Wow. I mean, she's a mother now. I mean,
02:22:36
Jim Bobyeah, I understand what you're saying. You know, she should be a mother, but if that's just that's an insane statement to say that you do not care about your wife's happiness. You all went silent because you can't answer to this question. If your obligations
02:22:49
Jim Bobuh trump your wants and desires to be happy, you you go all silent, right? So, it depends on what your obligation is. Yeah. Why? If you were a mother and you did
02:22:59
Jim Bobsomething that didn't uh provide happiness to you, but it actually served the purpose of being a good mother to your children, would you still do it? I think if you want to be a mother, taking care of your kids makes you happy. Even
02:23:11
Carly Roseif there's hard moments, take your kids to school. I mean, I'm sure that there's always hard moments and being I mean, like again, what about the people who don't want to be mothers and the people who have agreed that they also don't want kids? Like a husband can also not
02:23:23
Carly Rosewant kids. You're only going off of that dynamic where it's like the man and the woman have to have children. It's so caveman. It's caveman to want to have children. Do you know that we're running? It's caveman to like presume that it's the
02:23:36
Carly Roseonly thing in this world that needs to happen and that we're
02:23:43
Jim Bobsociety just said. You act like the main thing that needs to happen for a society to exist is procreation. That's so caveman. That's That's not what she said. She was just saying that life
02:23:55
Carly Roseshouldn't only matter. Is that very That's not very feminist of you. You need to talk for her. I don't mind what she's saying for another woman. I am Jim Bob. You're funny, bro. I would
02:24:07
Taylor Moorejust also argue that um you said that your wife's happiness does not supersede her her abil her obligations as a mother. She's chosen to be a mother. So, she's then chosen to prioritize her family first and foremost. Some people
02:24:20
Taylor Moorehave not chosen to be mothers and are still prioritizing that. And if you have not yet chosen to be a mother or never will, then it's not it doesn't quite get in the same vein to prioritize being a mother. If you never want to be a
02:24:31
Taylor Mooremother, it's not you're just mad that it's not agreeing with you. It's that's not irrelevant to what you're saying. It's not ex Exactly. All she said is some women don't want to be mothers, right?
02:24:44
Jim BobSo, they don't want to do that. That's her preference, right? I'm saying once you're a mother, once you're a mother, is it isn't it the case that you're going to prioritize your obligation to be a mother over your temporary preferences and and and standard for
02:24:57
Taylor Moorehappiness? Yes. And that's why you should wait until you're ready to be a mother in order to become a mother. All you have to say is yes and next topic, right? Clock
02:25:08
Brian Atlasthat. Um, Brian, people in whatever chat are saying my audio is low. Uh, I just boosted it. Uh, wait, stop the talking as we can't
02:25:19
Brian Atlashear. Uh, I just boosted it, so hopefully that helps a little bit. Um, here I'm going to let some of these chats come through, but I do want to come back to uh something in just a bit,
02:25:30
Brian Atlasbut we have Lucas again. Thanks. For who whomever Stop stop for whomever in the chat claiming that I'm a womanizer well I'm not maybe 20 years ago now I'm
02:25:41
Brian Atlasmarried as you saw in the super chat chair 7 you are correct I agree for that matter I hold myself where he says continued uh these came in about 30
02:25:51
Brian Atlasminutes ago or so I'm called to a rigidly higher duty of virtue competence and inte excuse me integrity as a husband as a fellow orthodox
02:26:02
Brian Atlasa cradle one at that. I suspect both Jim, Bob, and Andrew fully appreciate that standard. All right, Lucas, thank you for that. And then there's a couple of super chats I need to uh let through.
02:26:14
Brian AtlasHere we have one from Lucas. Well, if nothing else, the young men watching this are getting real-time tutorial of the type of women not to start a family with. Oh [ __ ] shots fired. Uh really, a
02:26:24
Brian Atlasleader doesn't issue orders. rather you have a incessant nagging conversations with him. Try telling George Patton that in that's a good uh I'm really curious
02:26:36
Brian Atlaswhat he does for his work. I think he's an attorney so far. Pretty sure he's an attorney right in New York City. I think Zulu Niner says if you should be expected to submit and dedicate
02:26:48
Brian Atlasthemselves as a woman then that should be an expectation for a man too in my opinion. So if a man is in the mental concept of you can be replaced, then how are you any better? I know that's right,
02:26:59
Taylor MooreZulu. I agree with that. And again, I don't think men don't submit high value men are not ran through as well. No, you can't have two leaders in a relationship. I don't think that's what the person was saying. I think they were talking about the mental concept of
02:27:11
Taylor Moorebeing replaced for something better. I don't think they were talking about submission. I think it was like that specific aspect of the sentence. Sure. Yeah. About like viewing people and partners that's interchangeable,
02:27:21
Rubyreplaceable. Also when you be when you um marry you become one. So when you become one that means you are the leader together for the family for your relationship. No you're not the leader.
02:27:33
Jim BobNo you're not the leader together. Yes. When you marry. No no no you're not both equal leaders. That's not even true legally. You can't have 50% ownership or direction over anything. Uh from a Christian perspective which you were
02:27:45
Jim Bobsort of laring as before red shirt. You were like oh you get married and God my thing is to God. No, we're both to be submissive to God. But if you're talking about Christianity, it's hierarchical and patriarchal. That means there's a
02:27:56
Jim Bobhigh priest called Jesus Christ. And beneath that, there are men, right? And so men actually lead the family. The man is the head of the family and the woman is the neck. They work together, but they're not they're not equal partners.
02:28:09
RubyOkay? They're not equal leaders. Yo, Billy Bob, shut it down. He But like without without a neck, there's no head, right? No. So it's again it's a takes
02:28:19
Rubyit's exactly there's not one without the other just because like if a man's a leader there has to be someone to lead right yeah but they have to follow right
02:28:32
McKinleydo women have to follow and they also have input do women follow yes or no do men follow no men don't follow women if a man wants a woman that's a leader
02:28:42
Brian Atlasthat's certainly a secret but keep that energy keep that energy You better initiate. You better go 50/50 on the first dates. Don't expect him to protect you. Don't expect him to protect you. Don't expect him to make decisions. Oh,
02:28:55
Brian Atlaswhat do you want to eat? Uh, whatever you want. You if you want a man who's going to be a leader, you got to be a follower. Otherwise, go deal with the soy boys. But you can't be demanding a man be a leader and holding to his
02:29:07
Rubytraditional gender roles and you're a modern woman. I don't think anybody's saying that. Or at least we're not saying that at all. But okay, here. Let me think of a example here. Um,
02:29:19
McKinleywhat's a good one? Oh, okay. You're dating. Uh, do you want to like have a career? What What's your Yeah, I don't really know what I want to do right now. I'm just focused on soccer, but honestly, I would be okay with being a
02:29:31
McKinleystay-at-home mom. I'm not going to lie. Same. That's the dream. I would love to stay at home and take care of my kids and cook and clean. I like cleaning. I would love to do that, too. I think, but I wouldn't mind having a career
02:29:43
Brian Atlaseither. I don't really know what I want. I am 18. What if you were But so, yeah, you're young, so you're still kind of figuring out what your potential interest could be. You're still, you know, working your way through school, whatnot. So, you're not exactly dead set
02:29:55
Brian Atlason that. But you do, you do say you could see yourself Well, it's hard because you said, "I'd like to be a stay-at-home mom." So, there are women, this example I would give would be like, "Oh, I don't want to be stay at home mom." Not even well not necessarily but
02:30:07
Brian Atlasthere are women who are who would say for example uh I want to prioritize my career and my career you know whatever perhaps it's in a creative field or something I really want to keep working
02:30:19
Brian Atlasand I ask well let's say you met met a guy who could support you and you didn't have to work but he was like his standard was in order for you to be with me I want you to stop working and I'm going to take care of everything. There are women who will say nah I'm going to
02:30:33
McKinleykeep working. Well, yeah, because some people enjoy working and so it's like if if you know if that's what they value over the being a stay-at-home mom, that's what they value. And it again, it all comes down to preference. Yeah. And
02:30:43
Jim Bobsure, but that wouldn't be submissive. That wouldn't be following his lead. I guess I don't understand what you're saying. I'm following a lead would mean that if you had a preference, if you had a
02:30:55
Jim Bobproclivity toward like going out or doing this or that and um you were in a relationship or let's say you were married, um let's add children being that you want to have children. I love
02:31:06
Jim Bobthat. Um is that what Brian is saying is that following the following leader might include abandoning some preferences. So that's why we asked you early on uh uh chair seven or uh what's
02:31:17
Jim Bobyour name? My name is Mac or McKinley, whichever's easier. Early on, we got into well, what's the threshold where you start to abandon your preferences? Um, if you think that you want to be
02:31:28
McKinleyhave children, I would ask you, how many could you see yourself having? Um, I don't know why. I've always just thought about having three kids, but then sometimes I'll go back and be like, actually, I don't know if I want to have any. But that's not because I don't want
02:31:41
McKinleyto have kids. That's more because of like I'm scared to have kids, like just with like how society is. But I do want to have kids and if I did, I'd want three. Okay, cool. Well, let's follow your preference happiness standard for a
02:31:54
McKinleysecond. Okay. Would you do you think you'd be happier as a mother with more energy or less? Um, what do you mean? Like just in general? More energy. Basically, energy. Well, no. I probably won't have as much
02:32:07
Jim Bobenergy, but I'm a pretty high energy person, so I Well, the question is simple. Would you rather have more energy as a mother of three or less? more energy. Okay. If you think you want
02:32:19
Jim Bobto have three children and you want to have more energy than less, would wouldn't it follow that you might prioritize having children earlier than later? Um, yeah. Doesn't mean she has 18, so I don't want to have people right
02:32:32
Jim Bobnow. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. I want to say something right now are more important than the long-term choice of having children and and filling out the vision of your life that that you say you want here on this podcast right now.
02:32:44
McKinleyYeah. Before I want to build a family and a relationship, I want to make sure I'm happy with my life because I don't think it would be good. No, I don't think it would be good for me to have kids if I was unhappy. I don't think I
02:32:55
Jim Bobwould be a good mother. So, I want to be content with No, no, you hold on. I'm answering your question. What if what if what if your determination of what makes you happy is given by a standard without children and your standard for
02:33:09
Jim Bobhappiness? I don't even think it's just about being happy. It's about being ready. Hold on, pink shirt. What if your standard that you're using is completely closed to just being single right now? And so your evaluation of what makes you
02:33:21
Jim Bobhappy could fundamentally change. I certainly and maybe people in the chat or maybe anyone else who who has had children, when you hold your child for the first time, I promise you the things
02:33:33
Jim Bobyou think are your preferences and the things you thought made you happy, I'm telling you, if not fully fade away, partially fade away. And that's why I asked the question. It seems like to be fair, do you admit that you're judging
02:33:45
Jim Bobyour standard for happiness from a pre-child position? And you couldn't possibly imagine judging happiness from a post-child position. Do you think I would be more happy right now if I had a
02:33:56
Jim Bobchild? I live at home and I am a hostess. Do you think I would be more happy? That's a genuine question. Do I think you'd be happier with a child? Well, if you had a child, you would be with a man who uh who you saw
02:34:10
Jim Bobwho you thought was going to be a good husband, right? You'd be married. Um Well, that wasn't my question. I was asking about if I had Well, no, your question's loaded with I wouldn't advocate for you just having a child. I
02:34:20
Jim Bobwould advocate for you, first of all, being married to the church and that the person you're married with is sufficient to have children with. I'm not saying that's easy to just snap your fingers, okay? Just don't get me wrong. I don't think at 18 you could just do this. I'm
02:34:33
Jim BobI'm not saying no I understand most people like you're you're like let's use a example. Sure. Sure. I'm talking to her for a second. Can you maybe not make
02:34:41
Jim Bobit about you for a split second? A good example here though. Matt, if if you did have a child from your own standard, wouldn't you have already married the person from your own moral
02:34:53
Jim Bobethics? No, I totally would already be married. That's what I'm saying. Okay. So, if you're already married and you have children, you're in, you found the man of your dreams, you have settled down. I what I'm pointing to is just an invitation for you, Mac, is to
02:35:05
Jim Bobunderstand that maybe the thing that you think is readiness now is judging from a standard that that you only have access to now. And the standard for happiness
02:35:16
McKinleyand fulfillment fundamentally changes after you find that man and after you have the children. That's all I'm asking you to No, I think maybe if I was with someone that I see myself getting
02:35:28
McKinleymarried to and being a great father, I would maybe more o be more open having kids. I still think I'd want to be a little bit older than I am now. Um I'd probably want to beat teen pregnancy and
02:35:40
McKinleyI'd want to, you know, do things that I enjoy first. Like I'd want to I love playing soccer. Like I could not imagine not playing soccer. Um and so I wouldn't want to give that up to be a mom right now. I think in the future, you know, eventually I'm not always going to want
02:35:53
McKinleyto play soccer. I'm not always going to want to be in school. I'm not always going to want to go out. But when I'm ready, I'm going to be open to give all that up to have a kid. But I also think that you could say that readiness to anything. Like you never know what
02:36:05
Jim Bobyou're ready for until you're doing it. That could apply to anything, not just kids. Correct. That's why I don't really use it myself. Didn't think I was ready to have a child and it turns out I was. Yeah. I thought 100% not though. I like
02:36:17
McKinleylike fully if you heard me speak as a person, you'd be like, "Don't have kids, dude." Like, I'm glad that you had kids. I'm glad that it was something that makes you happy. How many kids do you
02:36:27
Samantha (Tucson)have? Three. Three. Are they older? Younger? You said you've been with your wife for 10 years, 20? They're They're younger. Oh. How was it back to back?
02:36:39
Samantha (Tucson)Yeah. Every two years, which is pretty ideal, I think. I was going to say, do you feel like you did it better like that with having your kids two years apart? Do you feel like that was more better for what you wanted to work out for you guys? Were after one, were you
02:36:52
Samantha (Tucson)like, "Oh, yeah. We're going to have more." Did it kind of break your spirit? I still want more. Still Yeah. How old How old your youngest right now? Uh, three. Oh, so barely. Okay. So, see, you're right there. Of course, you want
02:37:04
Jim Bobanother one. That's why they're already outing it. I think everyone should just go for it, right? I think the I think people were healthier um when women were having children earlier. I do understand modernity and and the kind of culture
02:37:17
Jim Bobwe're living in now. Maybe it's not it doesn't occur as workable. It's harder maybe to do it. It's harder to live a traditional lifestyle. It's hard to live a Christian lifestyle. But the thing is like there's no alternative. You know,
02:37:29
Jim Bobthe only alternative for women. I I I and this is where I kind of feel bad for women is that you guys really do waste the the the most important maybe 10 15 years of of your life which is
02:37:41
Jim Bobultimately going to be the cornerstone and the bedrock the foundation of the rest of your life your legacy which is your children and your family ultimately the the and so you're in a harder position in a way uh men have are in a
02:37:53
Jim Bobharder position because we need our brute force we need to protect you we're called to die sometimes for it you're called to be motherhood But you do have a time frame that men don't have. And I
02:38:03
Jim Bobfeel like women have been in sort of denial about it and now they're starting to sort of like face the facts where they're like, "Well, maybe feminism sold us a bunch of [ __ ] where I can own a
02:38:15
Jim BobMustang and a pink [ __ ] blender. Uh, and I have a dog, but ultimately you wake up at 42 with wine stained teeth alone hoping to be invited to a wedding so you can talk to a [ __ ] groomsman."
02:38:27
McKinleyI will say um wait actually pause. Um I don't think I'm wasting my time. I don't necessarily know if it's always wasting my time because like I mean personally I view myself as a high value woman. So I'm
02:38:40
McKinleylike I don't think I've met any highv value guys that I would want to have kids with. So I don't know if I'm wasting my time. I I just think that I'm just not jumping the gun. Yeah. I was going to say in order for us to settle
02:38:51
Rubydown, you know, maybe final thought you guys uh the the men also waste their their um 10 15 years
02:39:01
Rubypartying around, you know, sleeping around. That's that's totally valid. I person I've I have like a strong will I will not date anyone in their 20s because I know that men usually are in a
02:39:13
Rubystage of their life when they're trying to figure themselves out when they're partying when they're not ready to um be loyal. So maybe we are ready when we're like 19 or 20 but the men available
02:39:25
Rubyaren't statistically true until he has a career until he has a career. Like how you expect us to settle down with like the first guy we meet but this guy still lives with I'm not expecting that. I think the I think the bigger problem is
02:39:37
Jim Bobthat I think children need to work earlier. I think everyone needs to work earlier and grow up faster. We're we're in a we're in this like elong state of neotony. Neotony is like basically this
02:39:49
Jim Bobfrozen state of childhood. And I think modernity and technology I I I don't have a blame on this. It's just that it's allowed us so much just resting room to not do anything because we can
02:40:01
Jim Bobeat, we can order Amazon Prime, wings deliver with a [ __ ] drone. We're not pressured to develop, right? We have to force our own development, right? And and now, and this is why this is why I'm
02:40:12
Jim Bobso stern on this is that you have to activate your own development. You have to actually take part in it. You can't just sit and wait and be like, "Well, I'm going to see what happens. Maybe if I find the right guy, maybe I You have to like figure it out." like and women
02:40:24
Jim Bobhave a shorter time to figure it out, you know, and and so this is why I stress it. This is like a I might be harsh harsh, but this is like I'm trying to reach people and and men are a part of this, you know? They really are a
02:40:37
Rubypart of it. Young men who just want to get laid and stuff, they're they're leaders, right? And so they're leading women to value giving their body away. Well, if they're leaders, why they're not doing a great job? Because, you
02:40:50
Rubyknow, like you said, if a man is the head of a household, you know, they're supposed to lead. Where are these leaders? These leaders are being driven
02:40:59
Rubyby lust. They are being driven by their fleshly desires. They're not prepared to be a father figure. They're not prepared to be a leader. And but if they are,
02:41:09
Jim Bobhold on. If they are, are the women prepared to follow? I like I said personally, yes. No, you guys were like, "No, I just want to do I just want to go to Tuscanyany. Let me go to Tuscany.
02:41:21
Jim BobJust want you like I want to write a book. I I always wanted to release poems and you know, I got all these [ __ ] I got I just got a ukulele. I just bought one. You know, I want to do a YouTube channel." Like, and the men the men who
02:41:32
Jim Bobactually figure this out earlier, and there are more and more younger men, by the way, figuring this out. still low percent uh where it needs to be, but um they are going, "Oh [ __ ] I got to I need to find the woman and I need to make her a mother and and and I'm going
02:41:45
Jim Bobto be the man of the family." And they look out into the the fe the the [ __ ] vast sea of destruction and they just see chicks just mouththing off. I'm a I don't need a man. They're all drunk on
02:41:56
McKinleythe street [ __ ] talk to us. I feel like this is your generation. I'd also like No, I feel like that matters a lot about like where you're living too. I don't know. Maybe that's just my opinion. I feel like if you're in a city, you're probably, you know, those
02:42:09
McKinleytwo people are going to have a hard time finding each other because there is a lot of people that are just bullshitting around, but I don't know if you're How do you find them? Yeah, Mac. Maybe if you're in like a more traditional city, like a little cute little countryside. I
02:42:21
Brian Atlasgot to move it on, guys. I got to move it on. Uh, okay. Let me get this pulled up. Uh, okay. Am I six? Uh, no. It's 1, two, three, four, five, six. Okay, shots
02:42:32
McKinleyfired. That's so mean. Zulu niner. Where does the separation of where does the separation too? Thank you. Where does the separation of church and state come into place? My religion
02:42:45
Brian Atlasdoesn't believe what you do. My wife is a partner to me and an equal to me in decisions. If she wants, I flex. If I want, she flexes. That is equality. Well, Zulu, what is your religion? Uh, that would be helpful to know what it
02:42:57
Brian Atlasis. Um but uh Jim Bob is an Orthodox Christian. So my he could obviously explain this better than I could, but my
02:43:08
Brian Atlasunderstanding is Christianity is patriarchal and the man is the leader of the household in a Christian biblical marriage. So um but anyways uh here I actually wanted to get to a couple
02:43:20
Samantha (Tucson)things here really quick. Uh are you guys high you two? No. Well not. Okay. Like earlier I was just I made a note like
02:43:30
Samantha (Tucson)yeah we were when we got here yes and then earlier it's wearing off but yeah now it's wearing off but it's just more like I don't know we're kind of really listening to what you guys are saying
02:43:41
Ruby100% what's his name Jill Bob Billy Bob Jimmy Bob okay Jim Bob he referred me as
02:43:50
Jim Bobshirt just my name is Ruby right and I'm Carly Ruby shirt Not Ruby. She looks like a Ruby. I'm kidding. Ruby. I'm kidding. All right. Thanks. Uh, Billy
02:44:02
Samantha (Tucson)Bob. I mean, Billy Bob. What's Jim Bob? It's Jim Bob. Jim Jim. Jim Bob. I'm sorry. Are you also under the influence? I see you. No. Yeah. Yeah. Of one beer.
02:44:13
Samantha (Tucson)That's Yeah, right. No, no, no, no, no. In the last 3 hours, you're telling me you had one. You were sipping one beer. Oh, one. I got this in like 10 minutes
02:44:24
Brian Atlasago. I wasn't sipping. I was sipping this. This is This is water. Equally dispo exposed. All right. I wish I started earlier though based on the panel tonight. All right, Gage. Thanks for the membership.
02:44:36
Brian AtlasUh, so going to you, Mac, I had a question for you. So, just I want to touch on the age gap thing really quick. We kind of shift off of it. Uh, we were talking about Leonardo DiCaprio. You
02:44:47
McKinleysaid it was creepy. Why is it creepy? um cuz he's 52 and every time his like girlfriends get a little bit older, they get he gets a new girlfriend who's even younger. And to your guys' point, you
02:44:59
McKinleyguys were saying, you know, maybe something changed and he wanted to have kids and like but obviously that's not what he's looking for. He's just sleeping with young people. And so I just think it's a little bit creepy, you know, at his Yeah. Are age gaps in
02:45:11
McKinleygeneral creepy? Um depends. So like how about a 30-year-old dating a 20-year-old? That's not That's not creepy to me. No. think if you if they're on the same like if it's okay. So if it if it is I
02:45:23
McKinleyunderstand you know a 30-year-old cannot like literally be the mother or father of a 10 like a 20-year-old unless they had to if someone could be like your parents that's kind of weird that's
02:45:33
Samantha (Tucson)weird but there is like 13. And just to be clear when it comes to 12 there's parents who 15. Yeah. So when it comes to the age gap thing though uh do you have the same energy for women who date
02:45:45
Brian Atlasyounger men? Yes. And is it just as equally creepy? Yes. Okay. So, it's not You don't have a double standard with it? No. Okay. Why is it creepy though? Uh you've you've stated more for women
02:45:58
McKinleydating this age, but why is it creepy? Uh normally when I feel like it's for women, it's normally like they they need to feel young. And so it's like I just still think it's weird like you're date someone your age that's the same maturity level. Especially as a woman,
02:46:10
McKinleylike I don't know if you're a lot older and you're dating a guy that's a lot younger, they're probably very immature, desperate, and so it's just it's just odd. Well, who's that woman who's well, it doesn't really matter. What about men
02:46:22
McKinleydating younger? What's your diagnosis there? Um, I think it's kind of the same thing. You want to be younger, but I also think it's just like a looks thing. I think guys are attracted a lot like Well, I guess women it could be the same way. I still think Do you think men care
02:46:35
Brian Atlasa lot about physical attractiveness? Yes, absolutely. When do you think so? I know women have a different opinion on this, the male gays, female gays, but as it pertains to the male gays, what uh do
02:46:47
Brian Atlasmen find younger women more attractive? Yes. Yeah. And do me uh do looks matter a lot to men. You got to keep it. I
02:46:57
Rubywould say um I would say someone with like a healthy mentality attracted by but then eventually as the as the
02:47:08
Rubyrelationship progresses again if this man is like mentally like healthy then you know looks matter only to an extent because if you're beautiful but nasty on
02:47:17
Rubythe inside on the outside absolutely no difference like but and I and I do think it's shallow of the man if he likes a woman that's beautiful despite of her
02:47:29
Rubybeing ugly. You know, if if he knows that she's like a nasty like woman inside but beautiful on the outside, I think that makes Yeah, but attraction has to come first. So, yeah, I do think
02:47:39
Brian Atlasthat like both men and women attracted to each other. Yeah, I agree. So, if you're like really good-looking, but you're a piece of [ __ ] okay, cool. But like if you're good-looking and you're a good person or you're like average looking and you're a
02:47:52
Brian Atlasgood person or you're ugly and a good person, I'm pretty sure that guy who's good-looking and he's a good person is going to out compete the other men. Yep. Just like the the the woman who's a good person and attractive is going to
02:48:05
Brian Atlasprobably out compete like the averagel looking or ugly woman who's also a good person. People care about looks. So where did we all that? But yeah, but she's trying to rebut my argument as it
02:48:17
Brian Atlasrelates to age gaps. Yeah, you you're like presenting like a counter. What did I say? That was like Yeah. Well, I don't Then why did you It wasn't Well, you're introducing We're talking about age gaps.
02:48:29
McKinleySo, are you just like dittoing? You're just It was You asked me um if I think it's because like older men think that the younger girls are attractive. You asked us that and then she was saying, "Yeah, but she was also saying it." She was
02:48:42
Samantha (Tucson)just saying it's also shallow. personality matters, but like let's get back to the actual conversation. Well, I think with with age gaps, like I tend to date guys like one of them I'm dating is 46, the other one's in his 50s, I'm 29,
02:48:54
Samantha (Tucson)but when I was your age, I kind of might think that's a little weird, but now I just feel like I'm so close to a child. It's a little weird kind of, but at the same time, it's like what they You're an adult technically. Well, yeah,
02:49:06
McKinleybut then I'm still I still have a adolescent mind. That's true, right? You can't even reg 18 and all of a sudden I'm like I'm an adult. I'm going to act like I mean
02:49:17
Brian Atlasyou are legally an adult. Yes, I am legally an adult. But your brain's not fully developed till you're 25. Yeah, but your brain is closer to a teenager. Your brain is closer to that of an adult than it is to a 10year-old. Wait, I did
02:49:29
McKinleynot say that. My brain You said your You said your brain is adolescent. Yeah, sorry. What I meant is that I'm still going to act like a teenager because I am a teenager. Maybe more juvenile. Yeah, juvenile. That's a good word. I don't I'm just saying that just because I turned 18 doesn't mean that all of a
02:49:42
Brian Atlassudden Yeah, sure. You can still be immature at 18. That's exactly what I'm saying. And you can still be immature at 30 and 40 and 50. That's just why I was saying it's probably a little bit more creepy cuz more people my age. Wait, so
02:49:54
Brian Atlasif it's just if the ick factor, the creep factor is just dating somebody who's immature, what's creepier than a a 35year-old dating a 20-year-old? That
02:50:05
Brian Atlaswasn't the only creep factor. Sure. But a 35y old who's dating a 20-year-old who's like remarkably mature and emotionally intelligent and all that
02:50:13
Brian Atlasstuff with that versus a 40year-old who's super immature. Which what's creepier? I don't think there's anything creepy between the age gap you just described. Okay. I'm pretty sure it's it's just case by case. I think she
02:50:27
McKinleythinks it's creepy. So I think it's case by case and I think in a broad way like you were saying in a blanket term, not an exception, it's creepier. But if it's okay, here's a single exception. They're really mature. Maybe it's not as creepy
02:50:40
McKinleyin that exception. Like, but what's actually creepy about my dad? Um, yeah. So, if it's a younger woman and she's like basically any other teenager, like still acting
02:50:52
McKinleylike a teenager and he's 52 and he could act. How about this? I'm 35. I'm 35. You didn't even let me in. Finish. Okay, finish. Go ahead. Okay. So, if he's 52 and he acts like an adult and he acts like a 52-year-old and he's going after someone that acts like a teenager and
02:51:06
McKinleytheir lives are completely different, your priorities are different. That is creepy. This could be your daughter. That is creepy. I agree. I agree. What What is creepy about it? Are you saying
02:51:14
McKinleythat it her age or No, I'm saying I'm saying the age the all of it. Mhm. Okay. So, what is the minimum age gap that you
02:51:25
Brian Atlaswould say is acceptable? Um because you're look it's really easy to like do these sort of uh arguments where we're just okay we're going to pick like a 70-year-old dating like a girl who just turned 18. I think it's much easier for
02:51:38
Brian Atlasyou to forward your position on that. But like give me the minimum like uh is 30 and 20. Is that unacceptable? No. I said earlier that that probably wouldn't be as unacceptable because I feel but it's still No, it's No, it's acceptable.
02:51:52
Jim BobThat is acceptable. Sure. There you go. Wait, wait, wait. What if you Mac What if you're 18? You said you have like a, you know, like the the mind of a child right now. Um, and mind of a teenager. That's what I meant. Years. Yeah. Well,
02:52:03
Jim Boblet's let's say you wait 10 years and you're and you're um let's say you're 30 something, 35, and you didn't you just didn't develop that much. You're still sort of childish and and and a 50-year-old wants to potentially make
02:52:15
Jim Bobyou the mother of his children, his wife. Is it still creepy if if your development didn't actually go that far? Maybe 2% 3% in advance. So, I guess what I thought was creepy is that it's just someone that's barely legal. You know,
02:52:28
McKinleythey don't have a lot of experience in life. They're immature. It's not necessarily the immaturity. I mean, like, so say your daughter, do you have any daughters?
02:52:40
McKinleyFine. Yes. Okay. So, say you have a daughter. She's barely 18, right? And you're I guess say you're you're 52. Say you're the same age as a person she's dating. Is that you wouldn't think it would be creepy if she brought home your
02:52:51
Jim Bobcoworker, your friend? No. No. Not just on face value. No. Like for instance, you would be okay with your daughter. Any [ __ ] answer. Shut up for a
02:53:01
Brian Atlassecond. Whoa. You better calm down. Shut up. You can't answer question. Yeah, you guys. If you're going to ask him a question if you're going to You were doing it to me like literally. Yeah, but I'm the host, so I have like a bit more
02:53:13
Brian Atlasleeway. I have a bit more leeway to interrupt and stuff. But look, if you guys are going to ask him a question, let him answer. Go ahead. Let me call. So it the if the value I'm going to
02:53:23
Jim Bobjudge the man by his values. So if the if the man is in the church um if if uh I would only look at that from a view not from creepy but from uh logistics of fatherhood. That's the only way I would
02:53:34
Jim Boblook at it. If they had the value that would be really the deal breaker if if they shared my theology, if they were in my church, uh that would be a deal breakaker. Um the only argument I would have it wouldn't be a creepy argument because that's really not an argument.
02:53:47
Jim BobThat's just an argument from incredul. That's just like saying icky, therefore wrong. That's not an argument. That's, you know, and so the only uh reason I would I would present to advocate away from it if I did advocate away from it
02:54:00
Jim Bobwould be practicality. That is to say, it's not that it's creepy. It might be the case that the 50-year-old man uh marrying the 18-year-old man may may at