Perfect "10" WILL NOT Settle For LESS Than Jake Gyllenhaal?! SUPER FERAL PANEL?! | Dating Talk #240
Date: 2025-04-28
Duration: 7h 18m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_03Taylor Moore(guest)
SPEAKER_04Carly Rose(guest)
SPEAKER_05Samantha (Tucson)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Jim Bob(guest)
SPEAKER_09Ruby(guest)
SPEAKER_10Lily Fior(guest)
SPEAKER_12Felicity(guest)
SPEAKER_13McKinley(guest)
Key Moments
00:04:24
IntroAll guests introduced including jiu-jitsu athlete, virgin soccer player, adult film parodist
01:36:00
Key MomentCarly reveals she does not want children — becomes central debate topic
04:07:00
ControversyBear vs man: Brian draws racism analogy. If bear over Black person = racist, then bear over man = sexist.
05:45:00
Key MomentSamantha: son's father killed in shooting. Subsequent boyfriend shot 6 times.
06:04:00
Key MomentSamantha: mother kicked her out at 16, pressured into abortion. Still took back cheating abusive boyfriend.
06:52:00
Key MomentTaylor Moore challenges Jim Bob to fight at her gym. Would double-leg and arm bar him.
Topics Discussed
00:04:24
Guest Introductions
Taylor Moore (jiu-jitsu), Carly Rose (model/no kids), Samantha (OF/single mom), Ruby, Lily Fior (adult parodist), McKinley (virgin soccer player), Jim Bob.
00:38:00
Jiu-Jitsu and Infidelity Risk
Tom Brady/Gisele example. Is jiu-jitsu's physical intimacy an infidelity risk?
01:30:00
Marriage and Children Debate
Carly does not want children. Jim Bob: women waste 10-15 fertile years. Ruby says men in 20s also waste time.
03:09:00
Jake Gyllenhaal and League Theory
Carly insists she matches Jake Gyllenhaal's level. Brian explains league theory.
04:07:00
Bear vs Man
Samantha/Ruby/Carly choose bear. Taylor/McKinley/Felicity choose man. Brian draws racism analogy.
05:18:00
Samantha Tweets/TikTok Roast
Brian reads Samantha's tweets. Jim Bob improvises country song from them. Samantha's stories: son's father killed, boyfriend shot 6 times, mother forced abortion, Nashville deception.
06:48:00
Body Count Round
Samantha ~60. Taylor 6. McKinley 0 (virgin). Lily declined.
06:52:00
Taylor vs Jim Bob Fight Challenge
Taylor challenges Jim Bob to come to her gym. She'd double-leg and arm bar him.
Transcript
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00:57:21
Carly Roseguys are drinking and there's a bunch of I personally don't drink either. So yeah. Yeah. But if you did drink But if you did drink I used to drink and I used
00:57:32
Carly Roseto, you know, party with my ex-boyfriend and I don't know. I I let him go out and do whatever he wanted to do really. Like I didn't I trusted that he wouldn't cheat on me and I probably wouldn't go.
00:57:43
Jim BobThe question Brian is pointing to for chair, what? One, two, five, six. Um, is that is there a threshold at which the man you're with, even if they're not your husband yet, you'll actually honor
00:57:55
Jim Bobthe obligation to the relationship over your preferences to do whatever, right? Cuz there's this sort of rebellious uh feminist spirit that you're sort of uh showing here is that ultimately in the
00:58:07
Jim Bobend it's whatever you want in the end. And I'm wonder we're asking at what point guys stop. No, go ahead for yourself. At what point? Like when is
00:58:19
Jim Bobit? When is it? Because you said I'm young. It depends on who I am. So what? But the thing is what are you 25? Me? I'm 18. Yeah. Oh, you're 18. Okay. You are young. So in the in the instance where you meet a man and like Brian
00:58:32
Jim Bobsaid, he's perfect and the only imperfection you find is that he kind of he wants to settle down. He wants He sees you as the mother of his children. He sees you as his wife, his long-term thing. And you see this for him as well.
00:58:44
Jim BobBut the only thing is you just want to do a little eat, pray, love on the weekends and and you know, potentially be pursued by other young men. We're asking No, if I'm in a relationship, I don't want to be pursued by other
00:58:56
Jim Bobpeople. No, I'm saying that you will be okay. You'll be putting yourself in the situation. We're asking you at what point do you abandon your preferences and your wants to honor and uh follow
00:59:08
McKinleythe obligations of the relationship? Um I think compromise is key. I don't think it should be one way or the other. I think there should be a medium. What you're saying? But when what is it for you though? That's what Brian Well, like I said, I went out less. I would go
00:59:21
McKinleyout with him. Like when I was like involved with someone, I didn't go out as much. I would go out with him. I'd update him all the time. I'd text him frequently. But if like the end point is that I'm okay, you cannot go out at all. It probably wouldn't be the right person
00:59:34
McKinleyfor me because I'm really social. I like to go out. And it's like I'm not doing I'm obviously not doing anything. I'm not intimate with a ton of people. I'm not drinking. So it's I just don't really think it's my problem. Yeah.
00:59:45
Brian AtlasHere. I I got a question. Or Jim Bob, did you have a follow-up or No, no, go ahead. Okay. Um, so if we're looking at the perfect guy
00:59:56
Brian AtlasOkay. Um, so this perfect guy, he could whatever that perfect guy looks like to you, at least from my perspective, having had quite a bit of dating
01:00:06
Brian Atlasexperience. Uh, finding somebody who's compatible and who's remarkable, who's exceptional, I mean, perfect goes even
01:00:15
Brian Atlasbe beyond exceptional and remarkable is exceedingly rare. Ex, it's exceptionally rare. It, in fact, perfect doesn't even
01:00:23
Brian Atlasexist. So, I would make all sorts of uh I guess I don't know if sacrifices is the right word. I would make maybe concessions
01:00:34
Brian Atlaseven. I would make plentiful concessions and sacrifices for the perfect woman. But like you just Okay, hold on. I don't go
01:00:46
McKinleyout to bars and clubs. You're not willing to make that trade-off to me? I mean, hey, that's that's you. I guess I'm seeing it as like you're saying this is my perfect
01:00:56
Brian Atlasperson, and I think my perfect person would be okay with that. But does the perfect stop doing everything you need to do in your life? Okay. Do you like um
01:01:06
Brian Atlascould you do you like ice cream? Yeah, I like ice cream. Okay. Question for the perfect guy, you could never It's not Okay. It's not something that the guy is
01:01:17
Brian Atlasimposing upon you. In the hypothetical scenario, you are delivered the perfect guy on a silver platter. But in order to do that, you have you have to grant to
01:01:27
Brian Atlasthe universe that you won't participate in certain behaviors. Would you give up eating ice cream for the perfect guy? I mean, I don't think I should have to live my life around someone else. Even
01:01:39
Brian Atlasif they're I just granted I just granted Even if they're the perfect person for me, they're not that. No, but the perfect guy, he's not imposing this through his will on you. The universe is saying, "I'm giving you a trade."
01:01:51
Brian AtlasDoesn't even make sense. So, it's not it it's a hypothetical. Of course, it makes sense. So, the universe is presenting to you a scenario. Here's a perfect guy, but you can no longer eat ice cream.
01:02:02
Brian AtlasOkay? So, he's not the one who's enforcing Does he let her go out? Huh? Is he the perfect guy? Why does he let her go out? Well, first answer the ice cream one. I probably wouldn't want to give up ice
01:02:14
McKinleycream. I really like ice cream. Bro, you guys are insane. Okay, look. I would like She's trying to settle down and I have to give up ice cream. Like, I'll give up. So, you get your fawn in. You You have your ice
01:02:26
Jim Bobcream parties. Okay. Like, if this is someone I see, she also said she also said, "I don't want to give up anything I want for someone else." Right. Well, what do you think motherhood's going to be? Um, you keep saying motherhood. I didn't say, "Okay, what I meant was I'm
01:02:38
McKinleynot going to change how I am because someone I want to pursue doesn't like how I am. I'm just not the right person for them. It's all about preference." So, it's like if I'm not the right person for someone, I'm not No, no, hold on a second. Not everybody wants kids.
01:02:49
Jim BobBut no, but this is nonsense. You have this view that when you meet someone, the perfect match is that every which way that you are should be good enough. What if it's the case that the man who
01:03:01
Jim Bobyou meet helps you? And what if it's the case that you help that man and his flaws and you help each other do to start with this approach? It's super naive. Okay, I'm granting you some charity because you're 18, but it's very
01:03:14
Jim Bobnaive to go into relationships and looking at this paradigm through the lens of I am who I am. Uh, nobody I meet could ever contribute to me in a
01:03:23
McKinleypositive way by me uh filtering out some of the bad things that I like. Okay. Um, I understand what you're saying and I'm not saying that I don't have room to grow and change and I think other people
01:03:34
McKinleycould help me grow and like change, but if it's something that I enjoy doing, I'm probably not the right person for them. If they want me to stop doing something, so if I'm talking about soccer, if they don't want me to play
01:03:45
Rubysoccer anymore, probably not the right person for them. Just how I see it. From what I think in a relationship also it's when to me um
01:03:56
Rubyit's putting that person as uh giving them a priority and I expect the same from them. So if they want me to stop doing something and I trust that person and that's what makes them part of that
01:04:08
Rubyum makes them a perfect person is because I trust their judgment. I trust their initiative. If they ask me to stop to do something, I would want to understand why that where that is coming
01:04:19
Rubyfrom and if it's something that makes sense for both of us and it's not coming out of an insecurity, then yes, I would comply. I would comply. If it's something that's going to make us grow together, if it's going to make us move
01:04:31
Jim Bobforward, let's swap it for a second. You you you ladies have probably met many of men who stay up until 3:00 a.m. um playing video games or something like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I used to date a video gamer.
01:04:43
Jim BobRight. Right. So if you thought that um maybe given your opinion about that that said you know you know you I don't think this is actually good for you and because it's not good for you it's not good for us. Let's say let's say
01:04:55
Jim Bobhypothetically. I don't I'm not even saying I agree with this. I'm just saying from your perspective. Wouldn't it be reasonable and and justified from your position to say something and say, "You know what? Even though you like
01:05:07
Jim Bobstaying up until 3:00 a.m. Um, what sucks is that we don't have good mornings together. You know, we don't have coffee together and talk and do all these other things that are bonding. You're up late playing video games and
01:05:18
Jim Bobit's actually to the detriment of the next day." Would he if he said to you, "Well, I'm just doing what I love. And if you don't love if you don't accept me staying up until 3:00 a.m. playing video
01:05:29
Taylor Mooregames, then honey, I ain't right for you. Yes, you can try. I actually do agree with that statement. If that man truly just wants to be up at 3:00 a.m. playing video games, and that's like who he believes that he is as a person, then
01:05:42
McKinleyyou guys aren't right for each other. I don't think it's like necessarily your place to change who that person is. But I also think it's not necessarily the gaming. It's not necessarily the It's not necessarily the gaming that's the problem. It's the effects of the gaming.
01:05:55
McKinleySo, there's a problem from the gaming. So, it's them not waking up and having a good morning. What would the problem of me going out be? Because I'm not drinking. I'm not being intimate with anyone. I'm literally just having fun with my friends and being DD. Uh, it
01:06:07
Brian Atlasjust increases uh your likelihood of being in a dangerous situation. I'd like to add on to that though. What What are the potential ramifications? Jim Bob said, "Well, it increases the chances of you being in this situation." Do you
01:06:19
Brian Atlaswant a guy who's a leader? Yeah. Do you want a guy who can protect you? Yeah. Okay. So, you want a guy who's a leader. You want a guy who can protect you. Part of men protecting women is we don't
01:06:31
Brian Atlasthrough our leadership, we don't want you guys to be put in potentially dangerous situations. So, we know that women get roofied at parties and bars and clubs. We know that there's a higher likelihood of her being assaulted in
01:06:44
Brian Atlassome kind of way, whether physically or otherwise. So, people get shot at the store nowadays. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I was Bro, hold just to be clear. I've been to Trader Joe's a [ __ ] ton. I've never seen a fight break out in Trader Joe's. Hold on. Hold on.
01:06:56
Brian AtlasLet me address her thing. I've been to Trader Joe's a bunch. I've never seen a fight break out ever to Trader Joe. Every time I've been out and I don't go out anymore. Every time I've
01:07:07
Brian Atlasbeen out, somebody's getting knocked the [ __ ] out. Every single time I've hood bars, no. Here in Santa Barbara, you go to the bars downtown, you go party at the college, there's multiple fights.
01:07:19
Carly RoseYou can listen. I mean, I never do this, but if you want, listen to the police scanner. People are getting knocked out all this stuff. People are getting into fights. A security guard. He told me all about the bars, but I've also worked in bars, been in bars. You know, you just
01:07:32
Brian Atlashave to keep your Why are there bouncers in bars? Why do bars have you ever seen a bouncer at a Trader Joe's? I mean, I've seen security guards from LA. There's security guards everywhere. Security guard. I I don't see security
01:07:42
Brian Atlasguards at I mean if dangerous area but like here in Santa Barbara you go to Trader Joe's there's not a security guard there is you go to a a bar or nightclub there's a security there's
01:07:54
Rubybouncers all over the place and the Trader Joe's the ones in Milbus the grocery stores in Milus they have like a security guard but I think that's like a homeless problem well Milus is kind of a little sketchier Santa Barbara but to
01:08:06
McKinleyyour point like going out I'd be in danger so yesterday I got off of work and it It was broad daylight and I'm I work by the beach and I went to go see my friends who were also at the beach and I was parallel parking and some guy came up to my window and was trying to
01:08:19
McKinleyopen my door and was kissing my window and like being gross and being creepy. It happens everywhere. Sure. I'm not as No, but so then with your logic would it be okay so after work I have to go straight home because I can't put myself
01:08:30
Jim Bobin danger. Like you can be No, you're making a face. But you said that going out. It's true though. As a woman we're subjected to it 24/7. Wait a second. Do you think that the maybe the chances increase at night uh
01:08:44
McKinleyfor your danger as opposed to just citing this one anecdotal thing during the day that may have happened? Yeah, I mean they can increase at night but also if you're I don't know being responsible when you're going out your chances are
01:08:55
Carly Roseprobably just as high as never drink open drinks etc. No, they're they're not. They are. As a woman, you have to put yourself in a woman's perspective just like how you say we need to put ours in a our mind in a man's perspective when doing jiu-jitsu, right?
01:09:08
Carly RoseYou know, what is he thinking about? What's a woman thinking about? We can't walk down the street with our headphones in, even in broad daylight. I'm constantly looking around, constantly observant. Lock my car as soon as I get in it. I don't care if I'm sitting in my driveway because of how much I've been
01:09:21
Brian Atlassit up to it. Just the other day. Super simple question. Super simple question. Is it like pretty much anywhere in the world? Anywhere in the world, is it safer at night or during the day? Say
01:09:33
Brian Atlasabout day. Yeah, day is a bit safer, but it can still happen. Daytime safer. Yes, I agree that it crime can happen at any time of the day. I agree with you, but night time's typically worse. And when
01:09:44
Brian Atlasit comes to environments where there's alcohol and there's potentially guys who are trying to who knows what they're trying to do, that's within the hard enough woman to assess a situation. And as long as you're not, you know,
01:09:57
Carly Rosegetting, you know, shot at or something, it's different. It's something you can control. You can get yourself out of situation. Don't put yourself You can be in a nightclub and still not put yourself in a bad situation or figure out how to get out. I'm giving you the
01:10:08
Brian Atlasmale perspective on one of the reasons why from in terms of our lens of wanting to be protectors which you guys allege you want that with would be within the
01:10:19
Brian Atlaspurview of leadership and protection. We don't want you putting yourselves in these sorts of dangerous environments. So that's one of the things. But also as it relates to leadership, if we're
01:10:29
Carly Rosesaying, "I don't want you to do this." Are you a good So, in order for there to be a leader, there has to be a follower. I've done a lot of things for guys that say, "Oh, I don't want you to do this. I don't want you to do that." When it
01:10:41
Carly Rosecomes to going out, my job requires a lot of going out. Actually, there's a lot of things I need to do as an actress. When it comes to going out afterwards or being involved in film festivals or meeting up at bars for
01:10:52
Brian Atlasdifferent things like that, but talent rises to the top. I don't care. [ __ ] Oh, you're gonna go to the bars. No, we do have to go out a lot. We need There's a lot of Yeah. Networking is a
01:11:04
Carly Rosecomponent. It's hosted at a lot of venues, at our clubs a lot of times. If you're genuinely talented, you'll rise to the top. Yeah. And then you also there's things like I've I've just been asked to not to do a lot of things in relationships. When even in music
01:11:18
Carly Rosevideos, you know, you get too close to the guys or something. When I was in a relationship, there was a guy who didn't want me to be next to the guy at all or have any physical contact. And there's been a lot of times where I've been submissive and it still doesn't end
01:11:29
Carly Roseworking out because he's so insecure. No matter what I did, even if I was just now, I'm just in the music video getting my picture taken, whatever. He could make up anything. There's times where guys just ask you to do so much and then
01:11:42
Jim Bobkeep asking for more and more. Are you saying the guys the guy that you were with was feeling insecure um because you were on a music video, right? Yeah, I was in a music video and I was next to the guy, you know, we basically were a
01:11:54
Carly Rosecouple in the music video is what it was like. I wasn't like twerking or anything. We were just in the music video as a couple and then he saw it. He said, "Oh, I'm not okay with that. I'm not comfortable with it." And I said,
01:12:05
Jim Bob"Okay, well then I I won't do that anymore. like I won't I won't be next to I won't have any physical contact with guys in the music video at like actress or something. Is that like your ideal
01:12:17
Carly Rosesituation for you? Right. And I'm and I'm comfortable not signing certain contracts saying that oh you have to have physical contact or anything like that cuz I think it protects us both mutually in the relationship. I wouldn't
01:12:28
Carly Rosego on screen and be fully nude for example because that's not something I would like either or you know have an intimate scene. Yeah, I wouldn't k if I'm in a relationship with somebody. I'm not going to go and kiss someone on
01:12:40
Brian Atlasscreen and I would sign a contract saying that I'm not going to be intimate with anyone. Oh, so going back to the leadership thing, y'all want a guy who's a leader,
01:12:51
Brian Atlasbut you're not prepared to be followers. So, stop demanding leaders if you're not prepared to follow. And part of following means you got to follow his
01:12:59
Rubylead. But a leader, sorry. A leader, go ahead. A leader doesn't like command you. It doesn't order you around. That's not the definition of a leader. A leader
01:13:12
Rubyguides. It doesn't order you. There's a difference, you know. And I'm of course a leader can tell you what to do. No, no, no. But that's guiding. That's not ordering, you know, like sit down. No, that's a that's a guidance counselor.
01:13:24
Carly RoseIt's okay to have conversations. I'm sorry. Yeah, but you guys that's a guidance counselor. That's not a leader. That's a guidance. There's difference between Sorry. He paying all of her bills too then, right? He's paying all of her bills and doing all that for her.
01:13:37
Carly RoseHe's providing everything, right? He's leading and providing. If he is, hold on. If he is, what does he get in in return? If he's doing I, like I said, I'm fine with doing certain things for a
01:13:49
Carly Roseguy when he is doing a lot for me as well and showing that he cares. To me, it's okay. Yeah, I'm okay with doing certain things for them. I' I've like I said, I've laid down a lot of my
01:14:01
Carly Roseum career opportunities, you know, things that could there's things that can enhance your career. You don't have to twerk on screen or whatever, but you know, being even a physical contact, you can't he didn't want me to put my arm around
01:14:14
Carly Roseanybody and taking pictures like things like that. There's there's extremes. I'm guiding you not to go to the club. Okay. Okay. So, I mean, I'm dating club
01:14:23
Brian Atlaspromoters. I don't understand. Bro, stop. She brought up a specific it's not all about you. We're speaking in generalities here. I get you're involved in the night life, whatever. We're
01:14:34
Brian Atlasspeaking in generalities. In her case, she doesn't have any work relation to going out to bars and clubs. So, her career is not going to suffer, right?
01:14:44
Jim BobBut her So, I'm speaking in generalities when I'm making these statements. Like but I also uh definition uh Brian the definition of leader is a person who leads or commands a group organization
01:14:56
Jim Bobor country which would include an individual. So literal the word command is in the definition of leadership but um that's the difference between men and women. A man would include command, uh,
01:15:07
Jim Bobpoint, direction, lead, uh, and a woman would use the word guidance, you know, like like if if Brian uh and I were like in a discussion and there was like a a
01:15:18
Jim Bobdisagreement and he was like, I command this, you know, you're you're on this show. I command that you do this. And I go and I go, well, can't you guide me? It it wouldn't work. This is not leadership. So So men actually can't be
01:15:30
Jim Bobleaders of families. They can't be fathers. They can't even be leaders of organizations um or anything else without commanding. But you the the feminist view is that they have to lead
01:15:41
Jim Bobin a passive feminine way. So they're kind of like a chick leader. Like can oh I want I want a strong man who leads and provides but I want them to be a chick leader. I want them to lead in a in a feminine way. This is you're not going
01:15:53
Taylor Mooreto get the kind of men you're just going to get a bunch of feminine men if if that's leadership to you. One thing that I would also like to add about this part is like at at 18 I might
01:16:05
Taylor Moorehave agreed with that because I was like the exact same way like I also wasn't up to any of that stuff but um I still wanted to go out and I would have said the exact same things but like now at 25 it's like I don't even have the desire
01:16:18
Taylor Mooreto like go out to clubs and bars like that. Like that just doesn't even sound exciting or fun to me. Like I like the only time I even really want to drink is like of course there's some exceptions,
01:16:28
McKinleybut like I just want to like stay at home and have like wine and watch anime. Yeah. No, I totally get that. That's why um like earlier I was saying it's all about preference and like so um 25 your preference now is to like stay in and
01:16:41
McKinleylike so I'm totally agreeing with you. Like I probably just wouldn't want to be with someone that doesn't want me to go out now. I mean, further down the line, I'd probably be more open to not going out, but I'm still young and I don't want to put my life like on hold for
01:16:53
Taylor Mooresomeone else. Yeah. And I understand that. It's just like how how he was saying in the example of like if you have the perfect man, would you still want to go to bars and clubs? It's like what there's realistically you there's a ton of ways you can spend time with like
01:17:05
Taylor Mooreyour female friends or even like any other thing without going to a bar or club. Like I personally don't really want to go spend time with my girls at a club. We can do literally anything else. Like even if we're going to like some type of lounge or something like that. Like there's so many other things that
01:17:18
Taylor Mooreyou can do besides go to a club cuz clubs are where men go to pick up women. So why would I then insert myself into an environment where all the men are there to pick up women if I'm a woman who isn't able to be picked up. So to me
01:17:29
Taylor Moorethe only way I would want to be at like a club club is with my boyfriend. But like there's a ton of things I can just go do with my girls. I'm not saying I don't go out with my girls and stuff. I'm just saying that like clubs specifically, I just don't see a reason
01:17:41
Jim Bobthat a girl in a committed relationship should be at the club. Yeah, I get that. Like I've had different perspectives. Preference too. Sorry to interrupt. You keep going back to preference too. Like let's ask a different question. Are do
01:17:53
Jim Bobyou have any obligations right now that would supersede your preferences? What do you mean? Do you have any obligations right now in your life that you have that that they come over your
01:18:06
Jim Bobpreferences that that they actually trump your preferences? Well, I feel like I I do things that I want to do. I'm I'm confused at your question, I guess. Is there anything that you do
01:18:17
Jim Bobthat you don't prefer to do, but you're obligated to do? Um, yeah. I guess like school, but end goal end goal I want to be in school. So, okay. I don't know if
01:18:28
Jim Bobthat's the question is like ultimately are you obligated to go to school? Yeah, you are. You could you like if you suddenly I mean I could quit school if I wanted to right if you prefer. Right.
01:18:39
Jim BobOkay. So is there anything that you can think of in your lifetime even even looking far in the future where your obligation to do something would trump your preference to not do it?
01:18:51
Jim BobI don't know. I don't I'm not thinking that hard ahead. About motherhood. Are there things perhaps in your future as a mother, uh, God willing, that um, you'll have to do things that are bound to your
01:19:02
McKinleyobligations and not your preferences? Yeah, but I think when I have kids, I'll be ready to have kids and I'll want to have kids. So, it will ultimately all be things I'll want to do for my kids,
01:19:14
Jim Bobright? But there are things you don't want to do that you have to to your kids and for your kids, too. That's what I'm pointing to is that ultimately obligations are the things that this generation has really lost. You guys are
01:19:25
Jim Bobjust driven by wants and desires and preferences and purely materialistic [ __ ] And then when you're put on the spot uh uh asked like, "Well, do you want to find a man of your dreams?" You say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want him to be this, this, and this. High quality, high
01:19:39
Jim Bobincome, this, this, and this." Not that any of you have gotten to that point on this panel yet, but when we ask you in return, what do you bring to the table? You never say, "I'll give you children. I will stay at home and mother your children into great people." You say,
01:19:51
Jim Bobyou say, "You just get me. I'm good enough. I have a, you know, I'm a graduate in sociology or some [ __ ] And that's what we're asking you constantly. What do you guys give in return for the men that you're trying to find? If they
01:20:03
McKinleyfulfill their obligations as men in your perfect world, what are you doing? Are you asking me or is that like everyone? Any of you. I mean, really any of you. Loving environment,
01:20:15
Samantha (Tucson)like home like beautiful. I don't know. I feel like women are homemakers. People are going to be mad at me for it, but women are homemakers. That's what they used to do. That's what they're supposed to do. They say that a house isn't a home without a wife. They say that it
01:20:27
Samantha (Tucson)takes a wife to make the home. What is a man supposed to do? He's supposed to go provide for his family, be a provider, take care of his whole family while the woman is at home taking care of her family, taking care of her house, take
01:20:39
Samantha (Tucson)cuz everything is hers. It might be from the man, but everything's the woman's. You know, she takes care of the kids, she takes care of the house, she takes care of the food, she takes care of the laundry. You don't know where your clothes are. You're asking your wife. If
01:20:51
Samantha (Tucson)you don't know where your socks are, you're asking your wife. You don't know where something is, you're calling your wife. You know, I guess she brings in a nurturing. Yeah. It's like it's like how
01:21:02
Samantha (Tucson)they say too, it's like um dads are more aggressive. They're more tough love and how moms are more nurturing, like you said, nurturing, you know, like a woman's touch is really more what it is. A lot of men don't want to say that they
01:21:14
Samantha (Tucson)need women. They don't this, they don't that, but men do need women. You know, like I said, people are going to be mad, but Every great man is a woman. So, it sounds like most of you agree and
01:21:26
Jim Bobunderstand the descriptive reality of men and women ultimately what their obligations and duties and what they're good at uh are. A question I have is what is this waste of time between 22
01:21:37
Rubyyears old and 35? Figuring it out. What is what what is it you're doing? Um you know, some of us are healing, you know, some of us are feel healing. Yeah. You know, sometimes you're it's a figuring
01:21:51
Samantha (Tucson)it out stage. You don't really know until you go through it. So, yeah. Like sometimes some people too, it's like you could be with someone and you could think you're fully 100% ready or they're 100% ready, but you don't even know what ready is. What are you You're ready for what though?
01:22:05
Samantha (Tucson)What exactly are you ready for? You're ready to get a house. You're ready to get a business. You're ready to fully shift focus. You're ready to start a family. You're ready to do what exactly? When you say you're ready, when you are
01:22:16
Samantha (Tucson)22 at 22, do you feel any of you guys here 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 25, do you feel you're ready to take on any of that responsibility by yourself or with
01:22:27
Samantha (Tucson)someone who you see yourself with now? I did. Yeah, I did when I was younger, but just not motherhood. I don't want to be a mother. Different. You know, I have a lot of people, they want kids, they don't want kids. Some people, they don't even see themselves getting houses. They
01:22:39
Samantha (Tucson)want to live high-rise houses. They want to live pen houses. they want to live traveling, you know what I mean? Everyone's just kind of different in in their own way, you know? I'd like to chime in with that. Like for me, all
01:22:51
Taylor MooreI've I've always known that I wanted to be a a wife. And at first, I was like, I don't want I at first I used to think that I didn't want kids. Then I realized like when I found the right person, I realized that all I wanted to do was
01:23:03
Samantha (Tucson)like be a wife and mother. And right now to settle down because that's what you know, because that's what's comfortable. That's what you are raised to think. You're supposed to get married. you're supposed to and most people do, you know, like you want to get married, you
01:23:15
Samantha (Tucson)want someone there for you, you want the everyone does, you know, you could say you don't, you know, whatever, but to each his own, but in the end, that is why wouldn't you want to get married,
01:23:25
Taylor Mooreyou know, why wouldn't you want to be with your person and like there that he was asking like what's the waste of time between 22 and 30 for a lot of women? And I'm personally saying that I
01:23:37
Taylor Mooredon't think that like for me personally, I know that uh we might be speaking in generalities, but I'm just answering for me personally cuz that's all that I can. Like me personally, I've always known that I just wanted to be a wife and be a
01:23:48
Taylor Mooremother. And um I've always known that I'm dating to marry. And like me personally, I just don't I wouldn't entertain a man that I didn't think would be suitable to be my potential husband, nor would I enter a
01:24:00
Taylor Moorerelationship with a man or any type of like involvement with a man that I don't think is possible to be my future husband. So, I don't think that I'm wasting time between 22 and 30. I like I
01:24:12
Brian Atlasfeel like I'm exactly where I should be right now. Uh, really quick before you have your follow-up, Jim Bob, uh, JJ comes in here with a great soup chat. Go ahead and
01:24:23
SPEAKER_01play the clip. Put it on video. All right, go ahead and play it with everything under the last boss and it wasn't good for me at all. So, I want
01:24:34
SPEAKER_01guidance. I want leadership. But don't just like boss me around, you know, like lead lead me when I'm in the mood to be
01:24:45
Brian Atlasled to be led. Okay, that's ridiculous, but um yeah, that's uh that's crazy. Um and then uh Jim Bob, did you have a follow-up on
01:24:55
Jim Bobthat? Uh I just wanted to frame it as like uh the the leverage that women have um in you know it's still uh in
01:25:06
Jim Bobdisparity to to men's force. You know uh men dominate for a reason. But the the thing that women do have is their fertility. And they h what they do have is uh they can offer a man uh what no
01:25:18
Jim Bobother uh person could offer, no other man could offer, which is motherhood, which is being the spouse, which is running the household, which is for a society. Um it's a microcosm of the
01:25:28
Jim Bobsociety. The thing that women leverage is the ability to be the the bearers of children for the next generation. Not only that, but to raise them. And it just seems that this whole like I'm chasing my dreams. I'm healing. I'm I'm
01:25:41
Jim Boblearning. I'm this. I'm that. And it's like the thing you guys are good at, you actually do naturally. So, there's nothing to really learn other than to
01:25:51
Jim Bobjust follow through with what you're natured to do. Well, and it's a super powerful position. And it's like for some reason you believe this lie, not you guys in particular, maybe some of
01:26:03
Jim Bobyou, but there is this general generational uh lie accepted that uh being in the home and being a mother and being submissive to a husband is somehow degrading or it's not it's not what it
01:26:14
Jim Bobis. I I should be out there uh running a company. You've been lied to. And the sad part is that you waste your your fertile years chasing a dream to mimic a
01:26:26
Carly Roseman and you just become a weak man. That's all you become in the end. I see you shaking your head. I see you shaking your head. What's your response? Uh I just don't believe that you know a woman
01:26:36
Carly Rosehas to be a mother. That's not something that has to be done. I personally if if I get into relationship that's one of the first things I start with actually. I want to know that the guy doesn't want
01:26:47
Carly Rosechildren because I know that I do not want children. That's not my preference. That's not something I see myself doing. But I do believe it's a very admirable thing. A woman being a mother is super admirable and not many people can do it.
01:27:00
Carly RoseAnd I also personally don't think I would want to do it or think I can do it. So I know it's better for me in the long run to not do that. And as long as the guy's okay with it, then that's
01:27:11
Jim Bobfine. Okay. So if you don't bring to the table being a mother um you do understand that you are basically reducing the the pool of men that you're
01:27:23
Jim Bobgoing to end up being with in for a long term, right? Not everyone wants to be a dad. Yeah. Not everyone Exactly. I just pick I I start with I said I'm Okay. If you take everyone who wants to be a dad
01:27:34
Jim Boband everyone who doesn't want to be a dad, right? If if you don't want kids, you're only dealing with the dad the people who don't want to be dads, right? So that's less people, right? Less men to choose from, correct? And that's
01:27:47
Carly Roseokay. Okay. Okay. You're okay. But the thing is, what is your relationship long term if it's not a family? What is it? It's still a family. You you two are considered a family. Just because you're not having children,
01:28:00
Carly Roseyour families, let's say you get married, of course, you know, your husband and wife, your families are now intertwined. That's that's a whole family right there. Just because you're not having children doesn't mean you're not a family. That's a that's a really
01:28:13
Jim Bobweird thing to say. You're family as soon as you're married and what what is the what is the purpose of of the why would being together relationship that Yeah. being solidified. I guess it would
01:28:23
Rubybe a partnership because what would you say to the couples that can't have children? So I I think at least me and Jim Bob here, we're not disputing that
01:28:36
Brian Atlasthere are certain couples they can't have children. We're not disputing that there are women out there who don't want children. There are men out there who don't want children. If you want to partner up with them, that's fine. I'm I
01:28:46
Brian Atlasdon't know about you, Jim Bob. I don't really think there's anything to dispute there, but what Jim Bob, I think, is getting at is of the women who do want to have children, that's kind of where we're
01:28:59
Brian Atlascoming at. And then but even then even the women who don't want to have children like do you want to get married? I do want to get married. Yeah. Cuz I So so that adds another layer.
01:29:10
Brian AtlasWhy? Like I just to be clear I think you can not get married and have a long stay with somebody for your entire life be be monogous. You can even have kids with them but you don't want to have kids. So why do you want to get married? That's
01:29:24
Carly Rosevery traditional but you don't strike me as someone who's particularly traditional. Right. Well, I I did grow up by I was raised kind of, you know, I was in a religious household and things like that. So, um I don't consider myself religious. I just consider myself
01:29:37
Carly Rosehaving a relationship with God. If I had to fall under something, it'd be like non-denominational Christian, you know, that kind of thing. But, um I definitely do believe in the principles of marriage
01:29:47
Carly Roseitself and which which are what? Well, it's it's the union of two people, you know, and that's it's a solidifying your bond to the world, to yourselves, um
01:29:58
Carly Roseunder God in my opinion, too, you know. So, doesn't God also say Quinton, help me out? Multi, what is it? Fruitful be be fruitful or something? I don't know. Right. That's why I'm also not religious
01:30:11
Brian Atlasbecause I Well, but so you're being very convenient in your picking and choosing. You're you're cherryicking. say it's cherrypicking. How is it noticing? You have to understand the dynamics of wait but you're you're rejecting this one
01:30:22
Brian Atlascomponent of religion but this like so you're like oh marriage benefits me because it provides me security in the relationship and there's other benefits
01:30:32
Carly Rosetoo but also rejecting other components that doesn't make sense really. I know that in my life if I I'm not called to have children. I don't
01:30:45
Carly Rosethink that and and in the beginning it said that so with the Bible in the beginning it did say you know be fruitful and multiply there was also no people on the earth you kind of have to think about that when it was stating
01:30:55
Brian Atlasthat verse it did say that in the beginning I mean we have a we're having population collapse I mean well are you about to say that uh we're overpopulated I'm not saying that no I'm just saying
01:31:08
Carly Rosethat wait what what's the reason you want kids overpopulation or no the reason I don't want kids is Because I don't see myself as being fit to be a mother, nor do I see it in my future.
01:31:19
Carly RoseLike I don't Are you fit to be a wife? Yes. Yes. I can definitely be a great wife. What do you feel the differences? The difference between wife, you have a whole child with like the difference
01:31:31
Samantha (Tucson)between the same thing like it's just kind of I I think earlier when I had mentioned, you know, like about you're helping your husband with kids and whatnot. It's kind
01:31:43
Samantha (Tucson)of the same thing. You're helping each other. You're expecting your person to be like grown, but you also want to kind of mold them to help them, right? Well, when I'm in a relationship, like if I'm
01:31:53
Carly Rosein if I'm married, I don't see him as my child. He's my partner. So, there's a whole big difference between having a husband and a child. And if you have a child, you're you're a mother, not a
01:32:06
Jim Bobwife. You're a wife and a mother. Is there a difference between a partner and a husband? uh a piece of paper and a ring. I mean, are you equal in in uh duties? Um no,
01:32:19
Jim Bobyour duties are different. You're equal as people. Yeah, I agree. You're equal in value as people. But if your duties aren't equal, uh if the if your duty if his duty is to
01:32:31
Carly Roseprotect you and provide for you, what's your duty that you're bringing? Your emotional support to the man, you know, with what he's doing. So you're a
01:32:40
Carly Rosebackbone for him and he can come to you with different things and you're you're love in the relationship. What's that?
01:32:49
Jim BobSo it sounds like a mom. Um so the thing is if the if he brings the bacon home and protects you and provides the home and the house and everything else and that's if that's a obligation as a
01:33:01
Carly Rosehusband. Okay. What's yours is supportive. But if he can do that without you, what's your obligation if he can do that without We can all do things without each other. And if the obligation in the relationship is for him to just be the bread winner and
01:33:13
Carly Rosethat's what he wants to do and he wants to provide for me and me be the way I am, that's great. If we're both agreeing that I'm going to work as well, that's also great. Um, I have no problem with
01:33:26
Jim Boban equal dynamic relationship like that as well. So, it sounds like if he's bringing if his obligation is to protect and provide
01:33:36
Jim Bobum your obligation is just to support him vocally like you know what is what is how is this equal? There's just different roles. So, if
01:33:48
Carly Roseyou're if if the guy's providing, like you said, a woman brings a lot to the table when it comes to being loving and caring and I guess cleaning. Yeah. Keeping the house in order, right? If
01:33:59
Carly Rosethat's Yeah. That she that's typically what that's my natural thing. Honestly, when I'm in an environment, even when I'm dating a guy, I'll tend to want to do that for him. Honestly, that's something I enjoy. I enjoy cooking. I
01:34:10
Carly Roseenjoy cleaning. I enjoy doing something nice for him to make his life easier. Honestly, if he's working all day, I'm naturally going to want to do things for him. Honestly, I think they're trying to like compare the motherly and nurturing
01:34:23
Samantha (Tucson)to your husband compared to being a mother mother. Even though cuz you do motherly and nurturing things for your man naturally, right? Which would be considered like motherly like doing their laundry, cooking for them, clean
01:34:34
McKinleyup after them, cuz I mean that's what moms do essentially. I think that's what they're trying I understand what you're saying. Like like it's like kind of like the natural as a woman like your instinct to take care doesn't always mean you want to take care of a child.
01:34:46
Carly RoseNo. Exactly. I don't want to take care. It's it's where my selfishness does come in because it is part of what my my job my lifestyle does not support having children. I love to travel personally and that'll take a big cut on what I'm
01:34:58
Jim Bobable to do and where I'm able to go. So it's important to me to have that not limited. How's that not going to have how's that not going to impact a husband then? He has to fly with you to go on your auditions.
01:35:10
Jim Bobum if he'd like to, you know, it's not like, let's say I'm dating a pilot. I don't have to fly with him everywhere he goes. I'm I'm asking you if you think it's unrealistic to be a mother and like a homemaker based on what your choice of
01:35:22
Jim Bobcareer or what you think is going to happen in your future. I I just don't understand if if being the homemaker uh even without children isn't in the cards. It's not uh conducive to your
01:35:34
Jim Bobyour preferences and your lifestyle. How is having a husband conducive at all that lifestyle? As long as they're okay with my lifestyle, just like I'd be okay with what they do. I don't understand.
01:35:47
McKinleyLike it'd be Are you trying to I'm confus I feel like it feels like you're trying to convince her to like want to have kids. I feel like some people just don't want to have kids and that's just how it is. I don't know why. There has to be like such specific reason just
01:36:00
Jim Bobsome and I think it's the right thing to do. It's more selfless if anything if I don't think I'm prepared or willing to. I've already I've already this ship has sailed in my mind for you having kids unless something drastic changes in your
01:36:11
Jim Bobspirituality I believe. Um but the thing is I'm just pointing to the pragmatism of your view right now which is well I think I could be a wife and we ask what a wife is and you list a bunch of things
01:36:22
Jim Bobthat wives do in the house then but then you say my lifestyle really isn't conducive to that. And so if it's not conducive to um the complimentary traits and behaviors to your man, I'm asking
01:36:35
Jim Bobyou what is this relationship? If you're flying around the US doing who knows what like what is relationship mean a marriage who who knows what relating to work,
01:36:47
Carly Rosewhatever it is. I don't I don't care what it is. I'm asking or I mean leisurely travel. Yeah. I mean I would I would hope that my partner would want to travel with me. That would be the goal. I would want a travel buddy. Like when I see myself having a husband, here it is.
01:37:00
Carly RoseThat's your husband. Here it is. Yes. My husband would be my travel buddy. He would want to go with me. Totally cucked. Just a puppy dog. A lap dog. That's your ideal husband. No, because he has the same ideals going into a relationship. Guess what? We lab I I
01:37:13
Carly Rosedon't know about everybody, but I know when I go into relationship, these are what I This is what I like to do. This is who I am. And usually I get, "Oh my god, I love to travel, too." And so why can't we travel together? Why can't we
01:37:23
Carly Rosedo those things together? Aren't you traveling for your job sometimes? Yeah. But I love to travel in general. That's one of my things that I do for fun. So your ideal man is to
01:37:35
Carly Rosefollow you around on a plane to No, because if we're together, we're deciding the trips together. If that's a hobby I do, we can pick the trips together and go on them together because they also like to travel. These are things you talk about in the beginning
01:37:48
Carly Roserelationship. Do you want kids? Yes or no? You kind of get these things out of the way so you don't waste your time. actually wasting your time would be around what gohead. You're not setting yourself up to win. I'm just saying. But a relationship isn't straight up the way
01:38:01
Jim Bobyou are. Because if you go over the preferences in the beginning, you're setting yourself up to win if you know exactly what you want both of you. How is it winning to wind up with a man who abandons his duties and interests to
01:38:12
Carly Rosefollow you around like a lab? Why is he abandoning? You know, literally he can do whatever he wants to do as if he's working, you know, whatever he does at his job. Great. and then we're going to travel
01:38:24
McKinleytogether. What's wrong with that? What's wrong? She's not saying he has to follow her around or whatever. She's just saying like, look, if I'm traveling, he can come with me. Like that's she's going to New Zealand. She's not saying he wants me to not work at all. She's
01:38:36
Samantha (Tucson)not saying she doesn't want to follow her. It's just I can cook when I'm home. I don't mind cook. I'm actually a cook. At least that's what you're saying like a cook, right? Isn't that what you said? She wants a cook. Isn't that what you're trying to say?
01:38:48
Jim BobWhat is that? I couldn't tell which word it was for either of us. What is a cook? A cook. So funny. No. What happened is she listed some What is that? That would be a cook. What is that? What is keeping
01:38:59
Jim Boba home? It sounds like in your situation there's no actual home. It's almost like there's locations and then then you bring your relationship to locations, but there's nothing that's that's grounded. Right. If you're if you're
01:39:12
Carly Roseliving in a home together, you have a home. And yes, you can travel together. And if I'm going to go travel by myself, that's also fine, too. And as should he if that's what he likes to do, if that's something we're mutually interested in.
01:39:24
Carly RoseI think for some people like traveling so much where you're not at home, what is your relationship? I don't understand. God, I think for some people long relationships also don't exist in your in your opinion. That's not a
01:39:35
Carly Rosething. Long-term rel cuz if you're not together, right? That's what you're saying. You can't be in a longist. truckers, pilots, anybody who goes military, god forbid, you go
01:39:46
Jim Boboverseas, right? No, no. Pilots come home a lot of times the same day or the second day. I know many pilots who do not do that. Oh, wow. You know, an exception. For the most part, pilots
01:39:57
Jim Bobcome home, they they stay a couple that even that is too stressful for people. That's that's a stretch. But you're actually arguing, well, no, this is a f this is an amazing uh opportunity to
01:40:08
Jim Bobfind a man who is basically going to say yes to uh you sort of gallivanting around, right? So, who is this man? It's not a man who wants to settle down. So, you're actually reducing your options to
01:40:19
Jim Bobmen who don't want to settle down. And you're going to be surprised that you wind up alone and not famous and not an actress. And and it's because you wanted I'm not famous, not an actress because I
01:40:31
Jim Bobwant to what? Because I don't want kids and don't want to What does that even mean? No, I'm saying that you're setting you're setting yourself up based on your
01:40:41
Jim Bobpreferences. I believe that you have a a some somewhat and I don't mean this condescendingly, a a delusional view of what what you think is going to happen or what you think is possible in a workable relationship. It sounds like
01:40:54
Carly Roseyou're not willing to sacrifice a damn thing about your preferences. That's absolutely not true. I've sacrificed so many things about what I do um in a relationship before and it still got me nowhere because people take advantage of
01:41:05
Carly Rosethat actually. But anyway, yeah. So, as far as I see it, I state out what I'd like in the beginning of the dates and things like that. And we get when we're first starting to talk, that's where I
01:41:16
Carly Rosestate what I'd like in relationship. And if they're on the same track, then we can move on and continue. And that's how it goes. That's how you know you're not wasting your time. But but if Jim Bob is
01:41:26
Brian Atlassaying X things are good in a rel like X things are good to do in a relationship and you say I tried X things in a specific relationship and that
01:41:37
Carly Roserelationship didn't work out that isn't necessarily evidence that X things were bad many relationships actually I tried to do a lot of submissive things like I was very submissive there's even a
01:41:49
Brian Atlasprevious So so what I would say that is a woman could be acting perfectly perfectly in terms of her own conduct, although I think this is probably typically Oops, excuse me. This is
01:41:59
Brian Atlasprobably typically rare. Uh, but you are attracted to a certain type of guy, like if you you say you've had all these relationships and what? The guy's a [ __ ] Um, cheats on you. I have been
01:42:10
Brian Atlascheated on like many times. Yeah. So, there's probably something in terms of your selection that Oh, I know. I know I need to work on this election, but I Well, yeah, but I also think I've been
01:42:22
Carly Roselied to, you know, because I I if I state what I like and they're not okay with that later on, that's I've had a lot of people where I've said, "Okay, I don't want this." Like, "I I don't want kids." And then they're okay with that,
01:42:33
Carly Roseright? And but where I say, "Oh, I like to travel or I'm a model actress. My job entails this." Guys will change up like like you're saying and say, "Oh, I actually don't want you to do this or that." Jim Bob, do you have any final thoughts on this? Cuz I do got to move
01:42:46
Jim Bobit on to something else. Uh it it's just that this and it's just what Brian said is that your preferences are minimizing your selection. That's all. And so maybe your preferences will change which is
01:42:57
Jim Bobfine. And we're just pointing out uh like if if you follow these down there is going to be maybe a moment for you and this is just an invitation uh is that maybe um the the the vision you
01:43:08
Jim Bobhave for your future that's completely driven by just your preferences. you might want to look at potentially altering that uh to expand um the selection that you might be exposed to.
01:43:21
Carly RoseThat's up to you. I'm just saying it's like I'm just saying the dis the reality is you have a minimized selection and that's okay. The minimalized section is fine. I just need to find the the right one when they come along. That's that's
01:43:32
Brian Atlasthe right one. The one who will flow with me and I'll flow with them. All right, we have uh Lucas here with the super chat. Let's dispense with the
01:43:42
Brian Atlasgaslighting, shaming tactics, and empty platitudes about trust. Refraining from certain activities as a married person is a matter of etiquette and respect. I just asked my wife if she'd be cool with
01:43:54
Brian Atlasme going to the Playboy Mansion every weekend. She said, "Are you nuts?" So, to you, would you be okay with your husband, boyfriend, whatever, going to
01:44:03
McKinleythe play Playboy Mansion every weekend? Me? Yeah. Um, I don't know. Probably not. But Playboy Mansion is like that's What do you mean? He's going to the Playboy Mansion. That's a lot different
01:44:15
Samantha (Tucson)than like going out to a party with my friends. I'm just confused at how those are I don't know. I mean, the girls can only get with He can only get with He So, that's
01:44:25
Samantha (Tucson)also over. I'd probably just be more curious. Can I go to the Playboy Mansion too sometimes? Uh, well, I mean, Hefner is no longer alive. I'm pretty sure it's not really a worrisome. It's changed a
01:44:38
Brian Atlaslot. Pretty sure in the history of the Playboy Mansion, other men who have gone to Playboy Mansion parties have slept with I'm going out. I'd probably honestly want my boyfriend there. Like I probably I' mean I'd want to go out with
01:44:51
McKinleymy friends, but say he doesn't want to go out and he's like I don't want you to go out either. I mean if it's like oh tonight I don't want you to go out. Like I want to hang out with you tonight. Yeah, I'd probably stay. But if it's like oh I never want you It's just blanket. He doesn't want you going out
01:45:02
Brian Atlasto bars and clubs like ever again. Yeah. Well, if I'm older and I'm ready to settle down, that'd be fine. But really, even But it sounded like earlier, even if you were ready to settle down, you
01:45:14
McKinleywouldn't want to be with a man who would be, I guess, in your frame of view, controlling like that. No, I just think it has to do with like my age. Like, if I'm ready to settle down, I'm ready to settle down. I think right now I wouldn't want to be with
01:45:26
McKinleysomeone that would like tell me not to go out cuz I'm still 18. Like, I still want to experience life. My whole life doesn't like revolve around like relationships. I mean, friendships, but I'm not like I don't know. Feel like if I want to go
01:45:38
Brian Atlasout and experience life, that's what I want to do. You're going out, but you're not like trying to be pursued. That's not the reason you're going out. Yeah. No, that's not why I go out. Uh, Lucas, do you women actually really believe that any busy, affluent, high-caliber,
01:45:51
Brian Atlasgood-looking man would spend even 5 seconds negotiating boundaries with you? If you don't fall in line with his values and expectations, there are 50 other girls waiting to replace you.
01:46:01
Brian AtlasFemale pride and entitlement shaking my head. Oh, this is Lucas. Giga chat. His streamlab's not working, man. In the chat, Lucas, what's up? What's up with
01:46:12
Brian Atlasyou, Lucas? Crazy for that guy to drop. Handsome guy. Handsome guy. Uh, I'll probably just pretend. But, uh, yo, thank you for the uh, super chat, Lucas. He does raise a good point.
01:46:24
RubyLike, but I think you say the same thing about men. like you really think like a man is going um as a woman like personally speaking I have standards you
01:46:37
Rubyknow and if this person doesn't meet my standards I have absolutely uh no trouble with like letting them go you know it's okay that we don't agree and we don't have to agree nor am I going to
01:46:48
Brian Atlasforce that person to agree or meet my standards but I I think there's a differential here because the the standards and look there there's differences in what I'm about to say,
01:46:58
Brian Atlasbut this is just a generalization. So, there's a lot of beautiful women. Men have like very I think fairly narrow standards and what in terms of what they're looking for. Men are generally speaking looking for more than just
01:47:11
Brian Atlasphysical beauty, but like there's a lot of very attractive women out there. I'd say there's more attractive women than there are attractive men. And and I'm saying that not necessarily by the
01:47:22
Brian AtlasThat's true. Well, okay. from from from the horse's mouth, I guess. But from a bird's eye view, but that's in terms of women's assessment of men. I actually
01:47:33
Brian Atlasthink that there's there's a greater proportion of good men that that women don't agree with me in terms of their assessment of good men. But it doesn't really matter what I think. Ultimately,
01:47:46
Brian Atlaswomen are the deciders when it comes to who they end up dating. So women think there's there's a shortage of good quality men out there. And
01:47:57
Brian Atlasthere's there's a higher proportion of like the the baseline for men to be attracted to women is far lower than the baseline for women to be attracted to men. Like it takes a lot for y'all to be
01:48:09
McKinleyattracted to a guy. I don't think or it takes more for me. Yeah, it is. It is true to me. I don't I'm not attracted to everybody off the bat. I mean like if I'm like sorry if I like someone like I feel like it's pretty easy if I flow
01:48:22
McKinleywith you and I have conversation like I like you but it doesn't necessarily mean I want to like settle down and date that person. Wait confusing. So of all the
01:48:31
Brian Atlasmen you encounter what percent of them would you consider uh date date worthy? I'm not saying like y a lot of y'all will go on a date just for the [ __ ] of it. Like you you're you're not sure yet if you're actually going to be
01:48:44
Brian Atlasinterested in the guy. I'm saying when I say date, I mean this is a guy who you would want to be in a relationship with, who you are like you're attracted to the guy. What percentage of men are you
01:48:56
Brian Atlasattracted to and would want to be in a relationship with? Low. Like out of Have you been on a dating app? How many of the guys do you swipe yes on a dating app for? Um in life. I've never had a
01:49:07
Brian Atlasdating app. So bad. Okay. Sure. But let's start it on dating apps. So for you and I can open up to the rest of the panel. Yeah. Who here's been on a dating app? Just show of hands. Yes. Never been on No. Never. I
01:49:19
Brian Atlasdon't need one. Okay. Um, when you're swiping, what percentage of men are you swiping? Yes. For 10%. Yeah, it's pretty low. It's pretty low. Like if you at 5% 10%. We should do it. We should bust out
01:49:32
McKinleyBumble right now. That's a good But what? 5% 10%. Yeah, five to 10. Okay. What about you? Um, I don't really know. I don't really always check like the new people. Well, I only see like the ones that like my account, so I don't know.
01:49:44
RubyLike, you know, part of that's the selection is just so low. Like, I can tell by looking at your profile um that you just want to date around, you know, not just women want to date around, but men also just want to date around. So, I
01:49:56
Rubycan tell, you know, and I would like to think that I I can tell when a man is just like just looking for a hookup, you know. Yeah. I also Sorry. And also in the conversations that we have, I get a
01:50:08
Rubyclearer understanding. Oh, this man just wants to like hook up and this man just wants to like um actually, you know, want to get to know me. So, it's Sorry,
01:50:18
Jim Bobgo ahead. What percent Sorry, sorry to interrupt. What percent uh of people of men do you think who are on Tinder in these kind of swipe machines um want to just hook up at least in contrast
01:50:31
Rubyliterally probably all of them the mother of her children high percent right it's really high right which what makes our pool small so like it makes
01:50:39
Rubysense that we swipe right right is on the 5 to 10% it's okay you're participating in something that's counterintuitive to your own standards
01:50:50
Jim BobHow do you mean you don't want to you you ultimately want to find someone who what do they call him? A [ __ ] boy or something like that. I'm too old for this [ __ ] Um they they you're trying to find someone
01:51:01
Jim Bobserious ultimately that's respectable that is is stable. Um has a good job. Uh potentially father material, husband material. Ultimately, I mean, let's just face it. That's I will say that dating
01:51:12
Rubyapps isn't the best isn't the best way to look for a a high value or an
01:51:22
McKinleyide meeting organically is always better. And how many of you single are still on those apps? Um I'm only on it like it this is going to sound so bad but just like when I'm bored I'll just swipe on it. Like I never I don't think I'd ever want to go on a date with
01:51:34
Brian Atlasanyone from a dating app. It's that's a terrible thing to say but it's true. Like so why are you even on I don't know. It's like it's kind of like fine. It's Oh, you get validation cuz all the guys are giving you attention. Yep. That's exactly why. I mean, that's
01:51:47
Jim Bobprobably it. No, that that is. If you admit that it's if you admit that it's counterintuitive and you're not going to find the man that you actually value uh on there, where are these men, do you
01:51:57
Rubythink? Oh, they're they're Yeah, they're at work. They're working. They put a holding value just like the female that
01:52:05
Rubythey value at home. See, it's hard it's hard to find someone that's like high value because they're always traveling. They're always at work. Um, and
01:52:17
Rubyespecially if they're family oriented, then they're spending time with family. If the if the if the girl or the female, you know, she's high value, she too is spending time with her family. She's too is focusing on her career. Wait, what
01:52:29
Rubywhat makes a high value woman? Um, I think someone who has um high principles and morals, values,
01:52:37
Rubyum, to me that's that's what it is. Um, I I I I am um I don't I wouldn't say I'm religious, but I would say that I do have a relationship with God and I think
01:52:49
Rubyjust learning about him has taught me so much. Sorry, who's him? Um, God. Oh, okay. Um, just learning about him and
01:53:02
Rubyjust really reading the Bible and understanding the tremendous love that he has for all of his children has really put things into perspective. Um, in Do you think like body count would
01:53:12
McKinleydepict who is a high caliber woman and who isn't? I I do. I think um Can you repeat the question? Sorry. If high body count um has to do with like high value
01:53:24
Rubyum it matters. You know, it does matter. I think it does matter. But at the same time, I I also do think that God came to
01:53:34
Rubythis um world to renew and restore and you know his grace and mercy is big and bountiful and even though you may have a
01:53:44
Rubyhistory of like a high body count if you come to him in God's eyes. Yeah. No. Yeah. Definitely. I think he they're talking about your husband, right? Okay. Keep going. You're Yeah. It's like in
01:53:55
Carly RoseGod's eyes. Yes. Of course you can be redeemed and then something you have to when you ask for forgiveness and redemption changes you it does and then completely changes you. It really does and you have to be in it though you know
01:54:08
Carly Roseyou don't just keep going back. It's a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle. It's a dedication. It's a relationship that you nurture every single day. And when it comes to a man you know I would I've never met a high value man that doesn't
01:54:20
Carly Rosewant that wants a woman that's ran through, I guess would be the Yeah. No, it it does matter. Low mileage is metal men that want the hoes. I've met a lot
01:54:32
Taylor Mooreof high value men that want the hoes. I don't know. I I would also argue that past behavior is kind of a good indicator of future behavior. Like if it's I understand for some people they
01:54:44
Taylor Moorelike have made a mistake once or twice, but to in order to have a high body count, you have to have made that mistake like a dozen times for it to be high. So, I don't think that when you're saying high body count, it's like
01:54:56
Taylor Mooresomebody who made a mistake once or twice. You're getting to these high numbers. So, this is an indicator of like a repeated thing that you consistently do. Some people have to like really have to repeat their mistakes over and over and over again.
01:55:10
Jim BobAnd would they not repeat them during marriage? I don't know. I Do you think they're more likely Do you think women are more likely to repeat those mistakes if they're told every day from every angle of society that that's empowering