02:52:10Andrew Wilsonsituation then that is a conversation between you and your partner I who Am I who am I to tell you what you think okay I get it Grant the argument to you that
02:52:20Lucybecause because it's your body uh nobody should have the ability you said your body mind choice but okay no he was joking I'm pretty sure I hope funny joke he was joking go ahead
02:52:32Andrew WilsonAndrew it it wasn't a joke I think that men should abortion absolutely or at least be a op and not only do I think so I'm going to give you a counterargument now and I'd like to actually hear what
02:52:43Andrew Wilsonyou have to say about this please men men can be drafted in sense of War oh my God those rules cannot be drafted stop talking let me finish my point women can vote to send men to war
02:52:56Andrew Wilsonand cannot themselves be drafted to go to that war women did not decide that that system talking stop talking I just let all of you spur the [ __ ] out for
02:53:06Andrew Wilsonlike 5 minutes and didn't say anything at least let me make the argument okay because women can vote to send men to war and they themselves cannot be
02:53:16Andrew Wilsondrafted for a war that means that it's men's body and not their choice it's the same exact [ __ ] logic same logic but no it's not all rules women didn't make those rules and it's the men making the rules about the women's bodies the men
02:53:30Lucymade the rules about who gets drafted they don't want women in war to the men in charge not seriously no let's talk about it this is a really this is a great conversation to have okay great I know lots of women who want to be in the military but they're not allowed to
02:53:43Andrew Wilsonactually fight they have to be let's use that line of logic then because men decided it they therefore it's okay well then men decided you can't have abortion no that's not what I said here's your counter syllogism here's your I'm going
02:53:54Andrew Wilsonto give it to you I'm going to give you your whole syllogism premise one a person's body is individualized to themselves premise two because a person's body is individualized to themselves nobody should be able to tell
02:54:06Andrew Wilsonanother person what they can or can't do with their body right conclusion men should not be able to tell women that they can't have abortions cuz it's not their body that is your syllogism right yes I don't think that men should be Dro it either I don't think anyone should be
02:54:19Andrew Wilsonstop just stop I just gave you the syllogism you know I'm I'm I'm giving you your position correctly cuz you just agreed I was so I'll give you the counter syllogism premise one men right
02:54:30Andrew Wilsonwould still they would be they would be individuals in charge of their body just like your first premise premise to they should have complete and total autonomy over it because it's theirs conclusion
02:54:41Andrew Wilsonwomen should never be allowed to vote to send men to war if they cannot themselves be raed because they now have command over somebody else's body correct yes I agree I agree with you I
02:54:54Andrew Wilsondon't think that now hang on now that you agree with all that your counterargument to this was that but men made those rules if that is the counterargument and because men made
02:55:05Andrew Wilsonthose rules therefore those rules are just then my no no no no I said but men made those rules so that's why you can't mad at woman the [ __ ] out when I'm I'm like almost done what you talking about
02:55:16Andrew Wilsona response then he I swear he make a response I'm not going to stop you all I wanted to do was make sure you understood my position I understood yours we did Ascension is actually crazy in here I've been very very respectful
02:55:28Andrew Wilsonthis entire time you're still sping out just calm down you and we can have the conversation ladies ladies ladies calm down you calm
02:55:37Andrew Wilsondown so anyway back to where I was uh if it is not your argument that because men made those rules therefore it's just then what is your argument for why women
02:55:49Lucyshould be able to to vote to send men to war we never said I never said that men should be that should have to be sent to War I don't think anyone should have to be drafted I don't think that that is just at all I think that you should join the military upon your own
02:56:01Lucyvaltion I've never said that I don't think anyone should have to to to have to have anything about their lives decided for them so answerers to abolish a draft absolutely yes absolutely so if
02:56:13Andrew Wilsonthere was a foreign enemy like let's say China who was going to invade the United States and needed soldiers very very very quickly you think the government should not be allowed to draft its population complaining about men being
02:56:25Lucydrafted you're saying we need men I think that I think that ideally we live in a country where our governments don't get into that kind of like what's the word i i ideally
02:56:38Lucybecause and because you're you're bringing up a hypothetical scenario as well so if I can bring my hypothetical scenario in it's happened the United attacked by Foreign entities okay yeah but when have they they actually been on
02:56:48Andrew WilsonAmerican soil yeah they atted yeah World War II that was literally like 60 years ago it was more than 6 okay it well exactly that was long ago all I said all I said to you was there's examples of
02:56:59Andrew Wilsonthis having happened already and you're like but that was 50 years so what so what so what if it was 50 60 70 80 100 who cares women couldn't vote 100 years ago does that not matter what you no
02:57:12Lucybecause no you know it's so funny that you were bringing up those points about um about what was it called the one the term that you use about the lot the arguments and he's just bringing up women voting that has nothing to do with what we're talking about but all of a sudden it's a good point when he says it
02:57:25LucyI don't know I think that this conversation needs to come to an end because we're clearly not going to agree I don't think that anybody man or woman should have any government control over anything that they do whether it comes
02:57:35Lucyto their bodies their health care or their service to our country I would I a patriot every time we get to the point where we test your logic you want to shut the conversation what are you talking about I am I have this opinion
02:57:45Andrew WilsonAndrew and what I think is what what the [ __ ] talk let me logically test this opinion to see if it's sound let me logically test your argument to see if it sound you're like I am agreeing with you I said that you're I said that the logical argument that you made and then
02:57:58Andrew Wilsonthe second conclusion that you made are true I don't think that men should be drafted I don't think that that the government should have control over women's bodies but but that's that is what we're testing now whether or not you actually think men or women should
02:58:09Lucynot be drafted that's I don't think that anyone should be drafted I think that ideally we we live in a country where people are patriotic and they want to fight for this country and that if there should be a war where there is a foreign enemy who is attacking us that we have
02:58:22Lucyenough people which by the way we already do because there's tons of benefits in the military you get you get all these different benefits lots of people are in the military because they want to be in the military I am I am not against the military I am very for this country I'm very for this government but
02:58:35LucyI think that there's different ways that we could go about it rep back the question I actually asked you you asked me if we should if we should have a draft if there is to be a a someone invading our country yeah and we need military people think that no there
02:58:48Brian Atlasshouldn't be and if there is then it should be open to all genders I don't think it should just be men yeah but but if that was the case then it I'm not saying that something is yo yo yo you got to let he started talking you had
02:59:01Andrew Wilsonsorry you were just let him talk goad absolutely yeah so anyway um if you so your claim your first claim is no right no they just
02:59:12Andrew Wilsonshouldn't be able to draft the citizenry in order to protect the country right mhm and if they do no no no not if they do they shouldn't right M yeah so that's the
02:59:24Andrew Wilsonclaims that they should not so if you had an enemy who was invading who said for instance that their their intended purpose was to enslave all of the women of the United States and put them in
02:59:36Andrew Wilsoncamps to do sa to them all day long like the Japanese did in Nan King for instance right do you think that then the American government should draft the citizenry of the nation in order to protect the women wom I think that then
02:59:49Lucyat that point the American people would join the military by their own own question yeah let us assume that they're not though well why are we assuming that they're not why why does it have to be to your standard but when I bring something up I'm not logical but you're bringing up something completely
03:00:01Pal / Juliaillogical test logic because it's baked into hypothetical tting my logic cuz it's based in the yes it's based in the hypothetical test logic C Andrew do you think in that scenario it doesn't matter what I think yeah do you think no
03:00:14Lucybecause if it doesn't matter why does it matter well you know what though no wait actually before my position to know your position it's not necessary I promise I'm before before we do get any kind of cuz I am trying not to like you know
03:00:27Lucyobviously this is a hypothetical you're talking about I do want to bring up the fact that in the beginning of this episode they did talk about how Andrew and Brian would be playing a devil's advocate and that that is the whole
03:00:37Lucypoint is to get us to have opinions so I I I I would like us to not get angry at Andrew because these might not even be things that he believes in this is just because he wants to get my opinion so I before we get angry I just want to say
03:00:50Lucythat I think that it is a good point to bring up to talk about I in these situations if something would would or would not be to happen I think that if that was the situation that if there was going to be
03:01:02Lucya draft it should not be limited to only men because that is discrimination it should be to everyone but now but now you switch the argument no but no I because you're you're making me you're forcing me to what else am I supposed to
03:01:14Andrew Wilsondo in this situation I don't think that there should be a draft which is just calm down I'm not forcing you I'm trying I'm trying to show you right if you say the answer is there should not be a
03:01:25Andrew Wilsondraft then is it not the entailment of that that if the United States was attacked by a foreign entity who wanted to essay all the women who were here and made that their stated goal that under
03:01:37Andrew Wilsonyour logic then we would not be able to draft any of the men in order to protect the country from this enemy that would be the entailment right I think that there would have to be some sort of some
03:01:48Lucysort of mandate made I am not like I know obviously right okay where does that is that in the Constitution that or is that sorry is that one of our amendments that there's a draft no where does that come from cuz like just remind
03:02:00Lucyme just remind the audience really quick where that comes from I would have to pull up the exact details okay so if it's something that is not written directly in our constitution or our Bill of Rights then that's something that can be changed by the Supreme Court by the Congress by the president so if we were
03:02:12Lucyinevitably going to be in a war where it is a World War where there is foreign enemies attacking us I think that our government could probably change a few rules around to say what though to say that that if we need to fight for our country
03:02:25Andrew Wilsonthen we should and I think that honestly that would be a draft then so that negates your position you're literally you're forcing me into a corner here I don't know what more you want me to say well all I'm listen I just want you to understand I'm not trying to trick you I'm trying to I don't feel tricked I
03:02:38Andrew Wilsonfeel kind of like just confused I'm trying to show you something super important I'm just walking you through when somebody says I think this shouldn't be the case right this shouldn't be the case right now in this country right now where there's no imminent War I I know I know I know but
03:02:51Andrew Wilsonif you say I think X thing shouldn't be the case I go okay that's fair right why you go well because of these reasons and I say okay well let me test those reasons with a scenario right and see if
03:03:02Andrew Wilsonthose reasons hold up so in this case you say nobody should ever get drafted that ought never happen and I say okay but what about in the scenario where we're attacked by a foreign entity wants to saay everything we don't have enough
03:03:13Andrew Wilsontroops right should we do it then you say yes well then now I know that you do believe in a draft just under certain conditionals right well you just said there's not going to be enough military so what do you want me to say let my
03:03:26Lucycountry burn is that what you want me to say right well that would be but I'm not talking about a dra also where did this Draft come in cuz I thought we were talking about something completely we're talking about women's rights so where did this come from explain have to do
03:03:38Andrew Wilsonthe because women's rights has nothing to do women's rights has nothing to do with autonomy it's because we're talking about bodily autonomy that's that's where the draft came from I don't know I need to PE someone else talk about super important that's why it's super important I thought this was about
03:03:50Lucydating like he said me too yeah how do we get here this is not about the podcast this is all topic here's a realistic if you can say here's a realistic scenario in which I would
03:04:00Andrew Wilsonsuspend your bodily autonomy based on my personal safety right which is what we're talking about and we just walked through it and you said you you said you would do it you said you said you would do that I do think that but how does
03:04:13Lucythat relate to abortion because there's no situation in which that I think that a man should have a right over a woman's abortion right except that no there's no except but what if what are you talking about how do you know his child how you
03:04:24Lucygoing to say he doesn't have a right over that though cuz it's it's a fetus it's not even a fetus it's an embryo it's not even an embryo it's cells okay but it's still a child being if that man wants to you know what no
03:04:37Lucyhere's the thing if that man wants to go ahead and pay for that kid for the rest of his damn life then so be it but that's why it's choice choice means that you can have the right to choose Choice does not mean that everyone has to get abortion that's literally not what that means it means that if you want to get
03:04:50Irma Ruizone you can and if you don't want to get one you don't have to so what about when a woman has a baby but the dad doesn't want the baby should he have the option to opt out of being a parent like a mother does no the mother doesn't have
03:05:01Lucythat option the baby's born the baby's not but she has the option to opt out yeah and the mother can't give it up her adoption there's different there's many different policies around the country you can leave it at the fire station you can leave to the police station can
03:05:14Brian Atlaswoman can father well no if the woman leaves it how are they going to know who's the father no but if the woman wants to keep it the father cannot Escape his respe you go to you can wait wait wait wait hold on no
03:05:26Brian Atlasyou can you can win that court case I want have this back I want to let you go PE go ahead I'll have the back and forth with with you so just to be clear could you repeat that so um I said well what if the the the mom wants to keep the
03:05:38Brian Atlaschild and she actually goes through with the pregnancy and then shut up back there and she has the kid right okay but the father doesn't want to he never has the option to opt out so can you repeat
03:05:51Brian Atlaswhat you said he should have worn a condom okay now this is this is an interesting argument to me um can't we just say the same thing to women when it comes to
03:06:02Pal / Juliaabortion yeah but they can get an abortion but you could have had him wear a condom or you could have been on birth control but there's nothing wrong with getting an abortion but but let me explore that
03:06:13Brian Atlasalso um at what is there should do you think there should be a cut off there is isn't there yeah no do you think there should be a cut off definitely when's the cut off I can't remember I don't know the what do you mean when do you
03:06:25Pal / Juliathink is right I don't I haven't looked at how the fetus develops I don't know the specific month I think is it 24 weeks I'm not sure something like that but you think there
03:06:36Irma Ruizis one so I think there should be a cut off yeah so from that point what do you think Brian what do you mean like cuz you're saying you're saying if the cut off point to say I don't know I don't know what it is either but if it's 20 4
03:06:47Irma Ruizweeks then a father should be able to opt out up to those 24 weeks I don't would you that's what I'm saying I don't know what's just interesting so like you're saying that well for men men
03:07:00Brian Atlasshould keep their legs closed but if we were to make that same argument when it came to women wanting to get abortions you'd find that incredibly objectionable men should keep their legs coose cuz they don't have a choice women have a
03:07:12Brian Atlaschoice oh wait men don't have a choice nope I thought you were pro-choice yeah but oh so men women can have choices women can hold on stop women can
03:07:22Brian Atlasescape from responsibility but men can't it's not about escaping from responsibility me yes it is no it's not if the responsibility if there's a government that says you can't have an
03:07:34Brian Atlasabortion and women want to get an abortion and say you get the ab somewhere like that well cool you're but you would be escaping from the responsibility of having to go through with the pregnancy despite your wishes not to
03:07:47Irma Ruizmaybe let's let's let's rephrase a terminology let's let's think about the word abortion say it's not actually aborting a fetus or baby or whatever you want to call a woman is aborting her
03:07:57Irma Ruizparental responsibility shouldn't a father also have that opportunity to abort his responsibility to that child I I don't know but I think a lot of women
03:08:08Pal / Juliawhen they're about to have an abortion do or considering it that I mean I don't know but I think they do talk to their Partners usually [Music] are get their opinion from people I know
03:08:21Brian Atlaswho've had abortions they've not just made that decision I think also it's not nope nope nope okay so here let me ask you this um what do you think about men
03:08:29Pal / Juliawho don't care take care of their kids are they dead beat dads mhm um well the kid who's alive the kid who's breathing and Alive yeah they're dead beats um do
03:08:40Lucywomen who abort their children are they murderers no oh okay m i you guys are taking abortion way too lately every woman who gets an AB does not take it l it is not a
03:08:52Pal / Julialate they had the kid when they're not in a good position are they so women who get abortions are they deadbeat moms no okay so just to be clear a father who just doesn't want to be financially
03:09:04Brian Atlasinvolved or parentally involved deadbeat but a woman who literally ends a life not a dead life it's not okay I mean you can think that but I disagree when's the cut when do you think is the cut off like do do you believe there's a cut off
03:09:16Lucyor I I am I'm not a doctor and neither are you what's your opinion my opinion is that there as soon as like okay listen there is there is probably a mark up until birth I don't think it's up until
03:09:28Lucybirth I think that there's probably I don't know I don't know I'm not a scientist heartbeat do you think probably I don't that that sounds about right to me yeah so okay at what point should it should a woman not be able to
03:09:41Lucyget an abortion probably when there is some sort of heart when there's a formation of an actual what looks like a fetus in the womb I don't think that I think that when there's simply a clump of cells I think that also we're talking
03:09:51Lucyabout this a little bit too l a clump of cells well sure everybody is but be able to murder you no but this is a different story and I understand that you're playing devil's advocate here but I think that there's also something and if you're not then maybe you can have your opinion and that's fine but at the end
03:10:05Lucyof the day abortion is not something that anybody should take lightly it is a very very difficult thing it's a medical procedure it is it is someone doing surgery on the inside of your [ __ ] womb that it it is it is it is the women come out of that they don't feel good
03:10:17Lucyabout it they're like oh just got my abortion but let me also say one more thing and then I'll shut up if that's what you want I think that the legislature that wants to ban abortions also wants to ban contraceptive care and I think that that fake news no it's not
03:10:30Lucyit's Trump says it's fake news what you me about yeah literally what no I mean but good no but we shouldn't be conscious so if you don't want someone to have an abortion then they should have access to a plan B if you don't want women to have a plan B they should have access to birth control and they
03:10:42Andrew Wilsonshould have access to condoms explain explain to me why it was then that there was less far less uh babies born out of wedlock before we ever had any contraception probably because of rape
03:10:57Andrew Wilsonno opposite that would literally be the opposite so I ask you the question why were less babies born out of wedlock oh less right and you say because of GRA wait I didn't I didn't understand the
03:11:10Brian Atlasquestion I thought you said more I thought you said more be born out of wock I thought you said more wait there's a lot this isn't about dating anymore get through just the final question on
03:11:19Andrew Wilsonthis though um do you both like these conversations I would man St between men and women everywhere of course of course this is related to dating political leading is related to
03:11:32Andrew Wilsondating how your personality is related to dating what you think about issues related about dating if men and women think differently than each other Bri shut the fu
03:11:41Brian Atlasrelated what are you saying Brian Brian baby Brian baby okay so final question on this then we're going to move it forward immediately so uh do you guys think that
03:11:54Brian Atlasuh men should pay child support before the child is born no no no no only if it's for medical expenses I do is that a thing medical expenses no no no it's not a thing but do you think that like the the woman she wants she's definitely
03:12:06Brian Atlasgoing to have the kid do you think men should start you know there's there's a lot of expenses even prior to child uh the child being born medical expenses should men be have to pay child support
03:12:17Lucybefore the child is even born okay well have to is a strong term because usually child support is depending on a court case so there is usually that a woman will take a man to court so are you saying that you think that a man should morally feel about the moral imperative
03:12:30Lucyokay do I think that a man should I think that if a man and a woman are having a child together that they should both foot th that bill those bills themselves together do I think that a man should pay for the whole thing absolutely not the woman is also paying for it you're answering a question that
03:12:43Andrew Wilsonwasn't even asked what are you talking about then yes he's asking if if man gets a chick knocked up right should he have to pay for the care if she decides to keep the baby clear up through the pregnancy um I think that that should be taken to court just medical I think it
03:12:56Lucyshould be taken to court I think that if the man didn't want the baby then he shouldn't have to pay impera the moral imperative not to the mother Brian is speaking shut
03:13:06Brian Atlasup oh my God so I don't understand got him I I don't understand your position of it should be what color is your Crystal it should be brought to court because all child support cases that doesn't come out of thin air the man has
03:13:19Lucyto pay a certain amount of money if it's brought to court and the judge decides that that this man owes a certain amount of money if the child is actually his he's going to be forced to to pay child I think that there's not a scenario
03:13:32Brian Atlasthere's not a scenario where a woman brings a man to court over child support and paternity is established that he's going to be able to escape from 18 plus years so then then he shouldn't have gotten a woman pregnant that's my
03:13:43Lucyopinion my God this oh jeez okay I think he used the damn condom then and she should have been on birth control okay what if the condom rips that's happen then take a plan B I'm so sick of you people the plan B
03:13:54Andrew Wilsonfell make the same argument what do you mean you people why did you say that to her that was me what I didn't say it to her yeah you did you shut then take Plan B I'm siing you people what that's not and
03:14:07Lucythen she responded afterwards you doing that's not you're taking my words out of context out of um all respect B did not work for me light the mood calm down I'm trying to lighten the mood so then happened what did you do I had surgery
03:14:19Lucyso there we go so you think that she's morally wrong for doing that plan B didn't work for me how many abortions have you had yeah how many have you had yeah how many have you had Andre
03:14:31Lucyyeah because we're all talking about hypotheticals here when in reality do you know a woman who's gone through that it's not a [ __ ] easy task I haven't I haven't had any to answer your question so then why are you arguing for people
03:14:42Andrew Wilsonwho who have been irresponsible I haven't murdered anybody either should it's not murder I don't I don't get it like oh Andrew has never murdered a person therefore Andrew can have an opinion on murders I don't so I have a question I have a
03:14:54Andrew Wilsonquestion If a woman is raped and becomes pregnant from it [ __ ] essay if a woman is essayed if a woman is essayed and becomes and becomes
03:15:05Lucypregnant from it and she terminates that pregnancy and which is becomes a murder charge do you think that she has a right to kill kill her rapist sorry now answer your question I'm going to answer your question directly but I want to promise
03:15:17Andrew Wilsonfrom you sorry I I apologize I'm going to censor that from now on I'm sorry H hang on hang on God let him [ __ ] talk holy [ __ ] I'm going to answer your question directly but I want to promise that after I give you the answer you let
03:15:29Andrew Wilsonme give an explanation without sperging the [ __ ] out you promise I want I want you to say I promise I promise all right so the answer is yes she should have to have
03:15:40Andrew Wilsonshe should carry the pregnancy DET term and here's my reasoning for why so the idea here is that if you are sa are you
03:15:50Andrew Wilsonallowed to go home and kill one of your other children the answer to it hang on before you chimp before you [ __ ] go [ __ ] ballistic calm the [ __ ] down and
03:16:01Andrew Wilsonjust listen Okay um you're not allowed to go home and kill one of your other children why because you're murdering a life because you are sa does not then give you the
03:16:13Andrew Wilsonright to kill somebody else just because you're sa that makes makes no sense so the same logic would be applied here you don't believe this is a human life so it's always Justified however I do believe it's a human life so what you're
03:16:26Andrew Wilsonactually saying to me is Andrew because I was S8 do I now have permission to murder and the answer is no of course not we don't see it as murder I just I'm really disappointed in Andrew because
03:16:38Andrew Wilsonyou seem like a really logical guy and this is just a really it's just it's just disappointing frankly everything that you're saying disappointing to me it's it's not surprising saying that you're disappointed by an argument but
03:16:51Lucynot refuting the argument is what's [ __ ] disappo how you guys there's nothing that I can say that I that you can you're going to tell me that I'm blowing up you're going to tell me that I am making illogical arguments that's my that if my rebuttal is my rebuttal
03:17:03Andrew Wilsonhow what I'll do is I'll listen carefully to your argument I'll think about it I'll I'll conditionalize it I'll see if it makes sense or doesn't make sense and I'll either give you a counter argument or I'll agree with you
03:17:14Lucyso do you TR doing the whole night sorry man go ahead do you trust a doctor okay if you get cancer do you trust a doctor to cure that cancer yeah okay if you break a bone do you trust that doctor to
03:17:27Lucyfix your bone and to get you back on your feet or whatever it is sure okay so if a doctor has the same moral imperative to cure your cancer and to fix a bone and they also are able to terminate a pregnancy why do you think that that is now all of a sudden
03:17:40Andrew Wilsonsomething completely different it's different than a surgery well I I'm I'm so you're making a category error I'll explain so I agree with you a doctor can
03:17:50Andrew Wilsonterminate a pregnancy not that he ought to do so so we're talking about here is moral imperative about whether a doctor should or should not do this like for instance you agree with me that a doctor could cut off your arm right now right
03:18:03Lucyyeah but they wouldn't the same way that they would hang on hang on hang on you agree with me that they could right sure just answered yes they could
03:18:13Lucybut they won't yes they could but should they going come back on to the panel or not should they should they what cut off your arm should they cut off your arms even though they can obviously they shouldn't
03:18:26Andrew Wilsonthat's not part of their medical profession obviously they shouldn't so you you asking me the question of can a doctor do this my answer is of course they can do it but should they do it they they should it's it's a medical procedure like anything else I think
03:18:38Lucythat your misunderstanding have you have you actually like track what it's like you have kids yourself right mhm so you watched through your wife's pregnancies if there was multiple how that child grew right so there's a certain point
03:18:51Lucywhere that child is quite literally a clump of cells about that big I'm not saying that a bab that a that a that a kid who is in there but are you aware that all scientists consider that human life all so is a plant then so is
03:19:02Lucyeverything you eat steak is you e steak is that is that all is that murder I agree that I killed the cow yeah but that's not murder in your books cuz it's not a human person like what a cell a
03:19:13Andrew Wilsonfetus isn't a human I don't give animals the same moral consideration I give humans but I still consider them animals so you consider humans animals humans are animals homos humans are yeah Homo
03:19:23Andrew Wilsonsapiens sap give moral okay I give moral consider moral consideration to the category of animal that is human being how many do not give I do not give moral consideration to the category that is
03:19:35Andrew Wilsonnot human being can I say something therefore that is not fair that doesn't make any sense hunting season and blast a deer in the [ __ ] brain and watch his brain go everywhere and I go out there and I cut his ass up and I munch
03:19:47Andrew Wilsonhis ass down and he's delicious he's delicious can't wait to do it again the next year I have no moral consideration for a [ __ ] deer has nothing to do with the human category nothing all right make your thing and then I'm
03:19:59Angelicamoving this yeah I would like to move this on I don't know how helpful it is but I see both sides like honestly like and I maybe again it's not helpful I definitely see as a female having that
03:20:11Angelicaoption to abort like let's say if it is an saay situation I totally like of course like I'm a female like I know so many women in my life that have had to do that like so but also I see your side
03:20:23Angelicaas well um how you can feel passionate about how a fetus is still Al life and like I I can see that you know what I'm saying so I feel torn so I I know that's not helpful but I just want to say that
03:20:33LucyI see both sides and I think that you both have good points thank you yeah that's just don't get pregnant if you don't want to well that's another thing too if a man wants a baby so bad he should have a baby with a woman who wants to have that baby too but don't
03:20:46Pal / Juliawant to have a baby then keep your legs closed or be on birth control or make him wear a condom sure yeah don't get an abortion like that though don't let it get to that point but B contraceptives
03:20:57Lucyshould be absolutely available right now women are just having sex's moving on Bri's moving we have a lot of chats there's a backlog so don't don't
03:21:07Brian Atlasderil no n NP just an FYI those beauty standards are made by other women men don't give Jack Squad about your looks women that's so funny that they said that lie
03:21:19Verathat's a lie so that they can get the upper hand in the dating Market that's crazy we believe you we believe you that men don't care about looks we believe you just Gerald donated
03:21:30TTS Donations$200 babe listen babe are you talking to me babe get in the crystal babe you're
03:21:37TTS Donationsspeaking at 1,000 prattles per minute B listen b every once in a while breath
03:21:47Brian Atlasyour brain needs oxygen babe I hope that he was talking about me yeah I think so love you than you babe actually what we're what we're going to do because
03:21:57Brian Atlasthis panel definitely needs it for 15 minutes we're going to do a $69 roast session cuz this panel desperately needs it for like a period
03:22:08Brian Atlasso if you want I'll load the TTS to uh 69 here um let me get that done here do a by the way I'm not upset about that's a good idea actually I'm not upset about
03:22:20Lucythe exchanges right I'm glad you a bottle of champagne and I apologize if I seem like I got a little bit like heated about it but I I just think that it's important that we have these discussione
03:22:31Andrew Wilsonyou don't have to apiz never going to apologize wor only you have to apologize for is the no counter argument that's the only you got but I did than that you don't got to apologize for enough I think it's just cuz I got tired Andrew I
03:22:42TTS Donationsgot sick of it nope we're going to let these come through Davis donated 16 $9 men should have a position about a baby and a woman's body because the woman would expect to pay for the baby for the
03:22:53Sophianext 20 years or so it wasn't a roast I don't understand these came in before basally saying like men pay for everything but that's not the fact well I don't I personally think lot women pay for a lot of [ __ ] these days a man should not have to pay for a baby he
03:23:06TTS Donationsdoesn't want I don't think so but that's up for the court to decide they have to well the court $69 men and women are responsible for having sex and having a child in this
03:23:16TTS Donationsworld but only women can decide on abortions why don't we matter having this opinion we are both respons for the sex what about the men that like try and make the woman I think we're not really
03:23:29TTS Donationsresponding right now we're just kind of like you're not muted oh sorry was I not muted my bad GMD gim donated
03:23:40TTS Donations$199 your body does not have two hearts deleting a baby in the womb is every bit as Hein is deleting one out of the womb I could not give a [ __ ] about your body
03:23:51LucyI only care about innocent babies we believe you you're such a good person what was the gesture you were making I was like I'm dead like I'm like that was so funny I'm dead all
03:24:02TTS Donationsright thank you Jim we have a few a few more coming in people pay 200 quid to roast bless Outcast donated
03:24:11TTS Donations$69 Che five you been so defensive both big boobs and small boobs matter as long we have the right connection we are great for another chair one has been mad
03:24:22Verafor the very beginning I don't understand talking about you you're I didn't even say anything for the first 30 minutes I was I was quiet as a mouse
03:24:32TTS Donationsfor the first 30 minutes donated $99.99 my child was killed and I wasn't told until 2 years later no discussion I
03:24:43TTS Donationshave no say Brian I DMD you of video of bivo explicitly saying he wanted to see his woman pounded on X the cery is real
03:24:52Sophiahave you ever heard of East Enders it's called a story line and too many people buy into my life storyline so like
03:25:04Sophiasocial media marketing yeah like I'm sorry that I'm a professional marketer very I'm not blaming anybody yeah like I'm sorry that I'm too good
03:25:16TTS Donationsroting the table chair one is Candace from the Multiverse where no one had a good dad chair two loved you on iari but
03:25:25TTS Donationssit still if you were vibrating anymore chair 4 would sit on you chair 4 would sit all right thank you man we have another one that's like the only black person they know is Candace Owens meet
03:25:38TTS Donationsthe KA are donated $69 chair three can we get another 2 hours answer after this TTS she's going to tell her friends she has a new man in
03:25:48TTS Donationsthe picture chair six you're nice but wow boring you do ballet which one that means she's flexible for a new husband that was funny yeah you can can
03:26:00TTS Donationswe get a pouette or or something sure liquidor motivation donated $69 someone give chair number three laxatives she sounds like she needs to get glued to the toilet sit for the
03:26:13Lucynight you know what liquid motivation it sounds like that's yours virtue not mine okay like she need some CH roasted I guess I it was an okay one come on guys do something better I know
03:26:24TTS Donationsshe all right we thank you liquid big SAS energy donated $69 I'm all for ending the life of a baby I just hate giving a woman the
03:26:36Sophiachoice see that's a joke but that's actually a lot of people's perspective a lot of men think actually he's telling the truth yeah like men don't really care about whether say yes or no so that's kind of like refle you're a dick
03:26:47TTS Donationswe get it is yeah uh we have a few more coming through guys SKU for donated $69 lips with their backwards SL gorilla
03:26:58TTS Donationslogic can't agree on when Life Starts heartbeat cognition or birth I'm not a doctor shouldn't The Logical answer be to default back to conception to eliminate potential murder it's not a
03:27:10TTS Donationsmedical question it's a philosophical it is a medical question the [ __ ] the it's not can I say this no I'm all just Gerald donated
03:27:20Lucy$69 babe I'm not being nice babe I'm making fun of you babe you never stop talking babe it's insufferable babe get
03:27:30Lucyanst babe oh my God we're making fun of you too no that's so sweet damn that's the second time man I
03:27:39TTS Donationslike that give me attention next one meet the KA of donated $69 cherot nice of you to bring your mom out you sell used cars I've got a dumpy
03:27:52Brian Atlascamper van with a lot of mileage on it in chair five you could sell for cheap wait yeah that was my mom what did she do she got up unfortunately right
03:28:02TTS Donationswhen that came through Kaiser but um oh I'm sure you're Rachel Wilson donated $9 would you D bimos support Banning
03:28:13TTS Donationsabortion if all unwanted babies could be transferred to artificial wombs and born safely as Ling as the mother have no legal obligation for the child nope raise hands would you be in favor of
03:28:25Brian Atlasthat I don't care can you say that again can you explain you know nothing the woman can end the pregnancy but the the F whatever term you like to use fetus baby whatever can be
03:28:36Lucytransferred to an artificial womb and then yeah go for it are you in favor of that I think that's a really sweet point but that would simply never happen because a baby needs it because because think about all the kids that are in adoptive homes right now or they're not even in homes they're in adoption
03:28:50Andrew Wilsoncenters wait wait let me ask you this question I just want to clarify this so that you understand please 100% of babies who are put up for adoption get
03:28:59Andrew Wilsonadopted 100% that's just not true yeah years long waiting list years long they want a baby guys stop I'm going to let me repeat this right cuz this will
03:29:11Andrew Wilsonblow your mind but it's true 100% of newborns put up for adoption get adopted 100% of them wow mind blown yeah what about all the kids who get older my you
03:29:21TTS Donationscare about those lives too do you care about those lives too what about going get aded like a game of two draw poker can
03:29:32Brian Atlaswe trade in this panel for a new one tonight no no yeah this was so much more fun when we weren't talking about this thank you Smithers appreciate it we have like six more seven more coming in I do
03:29:43TTS Donationsappreciate Smithers more money Smither SMI SMI is 25 thank you blazing Dunes donated $69 have you seen the video game
03:29:54TTS Donationscharacters that you can create J5 looks like someone tried to make a woman sorry dude I'm sorry that you sat watching me
03:30:02Sophiaand you probably subscribed and probably had 10 W me in the last week but like H next one yeah they're coming there's a
03:30:14TTS Donationsbit of a delay onor $768 I dare shivo to update her only fans profile picture to the age adjusted version of her face at 80 years old the
03:30:26Sophiadollars will be going out in droves who's that about me yeah girl oh um guys like I don't think I'll be doing it by them because all of you love wanking over me and give
03:30:37TTS Donationsme that much money that I'll be retired soon but Devon Jackson donated $69 getting mad at people for believe lies you told them has to be the most narcissistic thing I've seen in a while
03:30:49Lucyalso the disrespectful barir had the audacity to say I haven't been disrespectful I don't think I've been disrespectful you've been pretty condescending and disrespectful also if you I've been condescended too he's been saying let me explain this to you do you
03:31:02TTS Donationsknow how condescended you are yeah seriously Biden sa donated $69 Brian looks like he's about to have a stroke my man needs to get laid no
03:31:12Verahe's too picky he doesn't like only fans girls Brian DM me to lay him we talk lay him in EG we not going to talk about that what is this true Brian DM me to lay him but we're not going to talk
03:31:23Veraabout that wait what to link you you can't heartin you can't hear speechless speechless I'm about to kick you off the
03:31:34Brian Atlas[ __ ] show retract the [ __ ] statement scumbag you wanted to hit you triggered no you're [ __ ] making a
03:31:41Lucyfalse accusation you [ __ ] djen he's so from it I don't like this L ass entertainment It's Entertainment no it's we're all being [ __ ] mean to each
03:31:54Brian Atlasother can we just not do this can we just not falsely accuse men yeah seriously it takes away from real things it's absolutely a false accusation I didn't slide into your [ __ ] DMS what
03:32:04Veraare you [ __ ] talking about I believe you what but I'm really confused you're telling the truth huh you're telling the truth is there any more roast I'm telling you you're telling the truth it's trueth wait so it never happened she was joking
03:32:18Veranever happened it was a joke yeah she was joking like your jokes like your jokes what joke what are you talking about you joke all the time he said you say things to trigger woman all the time joke so yeah I feel like the think we're
03:32:31Sophiaallow to make jokes I don't know I I don't really remember making many jokes at anybody's expense be honest no he com it back do
03:32:40Andrew Wilsondo you think that women are your are their body your choice oh my God can we talk about something else said that all that means is that men have a say over abortion that's all it means no no
03:32:53Andrew Wilsonthat's what you R about earlier in the podcast yeah I think that men do have do have a right to have a say on abortion in their own country yes no that's fine but the way you said it sounded very
03:33:03Andrew Wilsonrapy what can we just not like let's just not you that word I'm sorry I'm sorry that you don't understand words but my body my choice is referring to abortion so if I say your body my chice
03:33:16SophiaI've been told not to interrupt and not interrupted you so you're now interrupting me so let me speak then I'll let you speak now you go girl do the head snap come on do it do it white girls don't do the head snap that's black girls do the head snap oh come on
03:33:27Sophiashe's doing it she's doing it um so am I allowed to speak or are you going to put in go ahead okay so the way that you said it before before the whole abortion
03:33:38Sophiaconversation came up you said your body my choice about women yeah that's sounds
03:33:46Sophiarapy why because whe whether women you mean why say yes or no have a braining about well so if it's my body then he's all right to say it's his choice whether
03:33:59Brian Atlashe wants to have sex with me or not let's finish it let's finish it what is your body please Andrew Andrew let me [ __ ] move it on please all right all
03:34:08Veraright chair somebody read this chair three needs to shut the wait the wait can I read it this is about me wait put it back real women d off donated
03:34:18TTS Donations$69 67 don't let loud nasty mouthed of girls think they won you were trying to agree with the dumbz what a nightmare
03:34:27TTS Donationsthese women have become sad sad sad just glad one and five have been quiet since oh that's how you like your women huh nice and quiet I've been quiet you mean
03:34:38TTS Donationstwo wait wait can mean two invit GMD gim donated $69 heartbeat s Detective at 5 weeks only because we have not developed
03:34:49TTS Donationsequipment sensitive enough to detect it earlier almost all deletions are after 5 weeks infanticide plain and simple you don't care about children
03:35:01Lucystill at tonight can I ask your question Brian are you really stressed there's more coming through oh there it is okay wait this one do you guys think that I haven't been giving you all the opportunity to speak chair 3 needs to shut the flock up and I can't read and
03:35:14Lucygive others an opportunity to add this discuss I'm feeling nauseous from the constant sound of her voice blank on b b b b i no one to add anybody else I'm sorry that you feel that way sea Davis does anyone else want to add
03:35:30TTS Donationsno ROM donated $69 chair one but unfortunately your personality knows everything about you watching you argue and scream is so
03:35:41TTS Donationsinsufferable but it truly is a train wreck that I can't pull my eyes away from so funny he said you're hot though
03:35:48TTS Donationsyeah a win is a win give us more money yeah like the grun oh a win tan 42 donated $69 if you all put a fraction of the
03:36:01TTS Donationsenergy into avoiding getting pregnant that you put into screaming for your right to kill your own babies you never have that problem I've never been pregnant I've been
03:36:13Lucypregnant we love killing Bab no stop cuz they're going to think that you you're being for real you cannot say that jackm donated
03:36:23TTS Donations69 chair number five no we won't waste our money to watch a disgusting cat jug the campaign bottle go back out to pasture chair number one you just made a
03:36:35Sophiamajor mistake you know what all right I won't chug the champan I'll chug the [ __ ] Coke and I'll make more money than a the
03:36:47TTS Donationsunderscore patriarchy donated $69 I like chair 6's MMA rashu but chair five needs subtitles what's an MMA rash card you
03:36:59Sophiaknow what you've just spent $69 call me a troll that much uh I'm going to have you oh after
03:37:11TTS DonationsMr bu donated $69 this TTS is sponsored by tactical soap from grandite Soap Company try our new scent Grand Inquisitor notes of
03:37:22TTS Donationssawdust and Gun oil wash your balls with the good she eat try tactical soap today I don't understand that sponsor you appreciate it we have another one coming
03:37:34TTS Donationsin read some of the super chats sleepy bear donated $69 lectures about taking classes to learn about logical fallacies 5 minutes later couldn't get through a iCal
03:37:45Brian Atlasevaluation without spurg fallacies I'm sorry you feel that way sleepy bear all right thank you sleepy bear then we have one from Devon Jackson coming in here in just a sec also Devon
03:37:57TTS DonationsDevon couldn't get through as crazy Devon Devon Jackson oh no $69 do not try and flip this on Brian and Andrew objectively they've been
03:38:09Veraextremely patient with how disrespectful you the blonde bimbo and the black delusional girl have been okay Devon we know who you are you definitely a black man with that name Devon Jackson we know
03:38:21Verawe know the reason why you're commenting that is because you hate yourself Devon Devon is it Devon or is it Devon Aquarius oo I feel like they've just finished over both of us and then like know who you are okay before I get into
03:38:33Brian Atlasthe Super chats and we're still doing the roast session uh there's a few more let's do twitch we need to go to Twitch we need to go to Discord guys go to
03:38:42Brian Atlastwitch.tv guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub guys get us to 94,6 followers before the end of the
03:38:54Brian Atlasshow probably not can you just stop bringing up the champagne until it's if it happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't uh guys if you have Amazon Prime you can link it to your Twitch it's a quick for easy way to support the show every single month you owe 50 Shades of
03:39:06Brian AtlasBlake yeah God help us all uh thank you for the tier one man appreciate it Jax thank for the prime and JK thank for the prime Johnny thank for the tier one appreciate it guys and then we've got a Discord guys that's
03:39:18Brian Atlasdiscord.gg whatever discord.gg whatever drop us a follow follow well join excuse me drop us a join X drop us a a join on
03:39:29Brian Atlasthe Discord that's discord.gg whatever and then we will continue briefly we we'll continue we'll let them come in we're doing the $69 TTS that is through streamlabs.com whatever we have a couple
03:39:41Lucysuper chats wrong wrongful rage I'm going to have you read it go ahead well that blowout should be called is the Pick Me versus the pay me [ __ ] okay that was that was the
03:39:53Lucyexchange that you two were having uh that was cool I guess all right thank thank you wrongful rage for the Super Chat go ahead men don't have the right to vote or get federal financial aid unless they sign up for the draft it is
03:40:05Lucycalled Selective Service what if we just let them have federal financial aid what do you mean like why is that legislature even there what if we just didn't have that if we didn't have the draft if any if they were able to have financial aid
03:40:18Andrew Wilsonwithout having to sign up for the draft cuz it seems like he's like saying that is a bad thing yeah well he's he's just contending with the argument of it just goes back to the audience oh talking about earlier yeah yeah all right we
03:40:30Sophiahave Kyle do do thank you man does middle chair know who's the father middle my dad yeah my dad's really happy that I earn more money than what you do
03:40:40Lucyso where's your dad baby all right thank you Kyle appreciate it man I don't have one can you read this one me oh most of these women will not find true love and
03:40:51Lucyget married traditional high quality good Christian men don't want women who share their beliefs they're going to stay single and desperate forever I want them I don't want them anyway women have been run through but they don't put it
03:41:04Sophiaon the Internet it's simple as that you think that everyone's a virgin they're not I don't want a Christian man okay
03:41:12Sophiacool story I guess that was cool um jaring hilarious there's some good girls not many though like most Christians have had sex before calm down I just
03:41:24Andrew Wilsonwant to know who said that can you raise your hand real quick me don't want to marry Christian man oh I don't yeah oh great you promise I promise all
03:41:38TTS Donationsright wait I'm confused and you promis that you won't man oh no VOR donated $70 chair one let's get into a conversation about your selfworth I love
03:41:50TTS Donationsconversations where the real person comes out in this case your genuine self is fighting your fake self and that is entertaining okay we'll try all right
03:42:02TTS Donationsthank you Vector appreciate it man we have a couple more coming through here giavani J donated $69 wasn't going to do this but that
03:42:13TTS Donationsjoke sucked chair one claim to be the most attractive black girl ever on the show Falls episode 184
03:42:23TTS Donations166 163 151 128 125 looked up all the black's lying he's lying those were all
03:42:35TTS Donationsthe attractive black girl I guess on9 good work is going to need to smoke two bowls and eat three popcorns after this stream we I need to but I don't we believe you
03:42:48Brian Atlaschair one is not attractive and it's a two I believe you all right cool uh thank you libertaria we have a few more coming through uh and then uh we're going to bump it back up guys so we can
03:42:59TTS Donationscontinue on with the show otherwise we'll be here police patriarchy Don 9os for Brian and Andrew for managing irrational discussions proud of you both
03:43:10TTS Donationsfor keeping your composure and using logic keep the good work thank you man appreciate it yeah you have been overly nice this episode get on your knees and do what you really want to do
03:43:22TTS DonationsI'm all right uh tone please thanks man appreciate it Devon Jackson donated $69 in black and embarrassed to be the same color as you I love that you don't
03:43:34TTS Donationsrealize Brian is making hundreds you won't see to insult you indirectly through the comments enjoyed the show yeah I totally believe that you're block I totally believe you block you're
03:43:45TTS Donationsprobably not black probably not black I'm not black no him he's not black he's lying John Rock donated
03:43:53TTS Donations$69 jokes are funny insinuations are fkd up what lives under the bridge you and a trolley LOL LOL thank you yo John the one who came
03:44:04Verato be BL who did you vote for appreciate it I probably voted Trump I said who the one who claims to be black the one who claim exactly so he's not black he's probably a mixed person Joe Biden
03:44:15TTS Donationsno I'm not nobody Matos donated $69 who's need morality when you can just have hot dogs to the face the bum and the
03:44:24Sophiavit but everyone does that but like at least we're um getting paid for it we okay that's cool thank you Matas appreciate the TTS
03:44:37TTS Donationswe have one from someone else coming in hey someone else thank you so much for the uh someone else donated $69 it's so nice knowing they still give day passes from the mental Asylum but
03:44:48TTS Donationswhere's the doctor with the Tranquil eyes are ready to go a couple women here need serious sedation I actually ended up Looney last week so guys uh we're going to we're bumping the TTS I did get
03:45:00Brian AtlasS last week yeah that's cool I would like we're bumping the TTS back up to uh 200 we're bumping the TTS back up to 200 uh if there's a couple that trickle in cuz some people have a bit of delay when
03:45:12Brian Atlasthey're watching I'll let them come through I'll Grant like a few minutes for any delayed 69s coming through uh that's what she said but uh Kyle dty let me have you read this one do you know
03:45:24Sophiathe father yes or no mining BTC sub a dollar I don't make money anymore I just laugh at you you're spending your hard hard earned cash on
03:45:36Brian Atlastrying to roast me when I really don't really give a [ __ ] about you I mean if that guy if that guy's like into into crypto though he just made a [ __ ] ton of money in the past like week so he's probably fine yes chump change doge is
03:45:48Brian Atlaslike over 100% return and yeah but he's clearly not smart with his money I didn't go to college I don't know what you're talking about cryptocurrency
03:45:58Brian AtlasBitcoin ethereum the market beamed after Trump one I didn't all right so that was uh that was interesting okay so the TTS is 200 guys again if a couple trickle
03:46:09Brian Atlasthrough I'll I'll let them through let's get back into uh let's get through the show notes oh wait no we have to do uh on the Discord there's the age
03:46:18Brian Atlasadvancement but we're gonna wait until uh loose Lucy goosey is back once Lucy goosey is back we'll uh I need to wait in a minute it's going to show us how we look yeah like aged or whatever okay so
03:46:31Brian Atlaslet's get into the pre-show notes uh we have Angelica wait you're a ballerina yes okay uh I think all can you guys stop [ __ ] talking right now we were just asking how long was left well I
03:46:43Brian Atlasmean you know the show would have ended early if you guys hadn't been like 50 minutes late but you because because you guys were late you know it's going to go a bit longer it is what it is can we leave a little bit early if
03:46:57Pal / Juliayou don't want to get paid I've not been offered to get paid so anyways are you getting paid no I'm not I'm not getting you stop God stop okay so
03:47:09Brian Atlasuh well we can do what we want with fre people yeah if I mean you guys could technically leave right now what's the next question we'll give it an hour on next question okay cool moving on
03:47:23Brian Atlasnow sound effect oh my God I don't even know um okay all right so going to you you uh never had a boyfriend that's pretty much the extent
03:47:35Angelicaof what you included in your notes is that correct yeah I Che maybe I should have included more but that's kind of okay and you're a ballerina yeah and an aerialist and an aerial list
03:47:46Brian Atlasokay uh that's it I don't the only thing I have in my notes is ask you to do a PA in a pouette so I'll move on to the next person but if you want to bust out a PA or some [ __ ] we'll I'll do it with you
03:47:57Angelicagirl there's not a lot of space but if we move some chairs yeah I want to see now let's go to Lucy here we're going to Lucy Lucy you said dating apps are usually only for hookups these days and
03:48:09Lucypeople don't know how don't know proper date etiquette anymore yeah when you say date iate what do you mean I mean like it's a lot of um like just not even I don't you know I'm trying to get back
03:48:22Lucyinto the headp space I was when I sent you that message um I think that you think I'm going to say like men paying for things which I don't really mean but I mean on F Well First Dates is is tricky because I know that you're going
03:48:34Lucyto want me to be like oh I think that men should pay for everything I don't hold on not you the when I'm goinging to say the you I mean the audience okay but look for the sake of saving time you
03:48:43Brian Atlashave it let me sorry stop okay you have a tendency to be like well this is what I think you want just just answer the question simply you don't need to like
03:48:53Brian Atlasdo a [ __ ] Preamble you don't need to preface you don't need to make all these like prior statements just answer the question simply we're going to be here all night otherwise go ahead I mean we're going to be here all night
03:49:06Brian Atlasdiscontinue with the preambles just answer the question I here I want you to just answer honestly I don't want want you to say something that I'm hopeful of you saying just answer say the truth I think
03:49:19LucyI haven't been on a good date in a long time I don't think that people know what it is to be on a good day I think people just assume that it means to go out to like dinner and then there's like not a lot of good conversation and then they want to like take you home afterwards and it's just kind of like okay well I
03:49:31Lucydidn't really gain anything from that like people used to like do fun things like go bowling or at least like like some sort of activity where there's like opportunity for you to get to know a person other than just sitting at a table awkwardly with them like I mean
03:49:43Lucymaybe that's just my opinion men so you're saying men don't do those fund dates anymore or I mean I maybe I just haven't been on one like maybe like that could completely just be my experience but um I honestly had to just delete a lot of dating apps because it would