FERAL GIRLS?! BEAVO's GF?! Sassy St. Lucia Strumpet FEMINIST vs. Andrew Wilson?! | Dating Talk #212
Date: 2024-11-13
Duration: 8h 05m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Angelica(guest)
SPEAKER_03Sophia(guest)
SPEAKER_04Pal / Julia(guest)
SPEAKER_05Lucy(guest)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_13Vera(guest)
SPEAKER_14Irma Ruiz(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:12
IntroGuest introductions round — Brian introduces all panelists and Andrew Wilson joins remotely
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... please tell us your name age location and occupation”
00:14:00
Key MomentAndrew Wilson opens debate calling OnlyFans definitionally prostitution — Sophia immediately pushes back
“I'm guessing prostitution is very lucrative or women wouldn't do it right”
01:16:10
Key MomentSelf-ratings round begins — Brian asks 1-10 scale
“let's just go right to Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you”
01:24:00
QuoteBrian calls out that women make false accusations with utmost confidence about things on tape that clearly didn't happen
“this is why women are extremely dangerous because they will assert with the utmost confidence that a man did something or said something that is on tape that he clearly did not even do”
01:25:06
ControversyVera falsely accuses Brian of sliding into her DMs — Brian very upset, demands she retract
“Biden sa donated $69 Brian DM me to lay him... retract the statement scumbag”
01:49:00
Key MomentMAJOR fight: Vera calls Irma a 'pick me', Irma screams back with profanity — both very loud and personal
“you're a pick me... [Irma]: I don't give a f*** what you say... [Vera]: I could f*** your husband...”
02:39:00
Key MomentVera challenges Andrew on Christianity and OnlyFans — argues Andrew said only fans girls can't be Christians/saved
“you said they cannot be a Christian... [Andrew]: categorically no... you cannot hold to ethical paradigms which are contrary to each other”
03:07:54
ControversyAndrew Wilson states a rape victim should still carry pregnancy to term — panel erupts
“she should carry the pregnancy to term... you're not allowed to go home and kill one of your other children”
04:05:00
AgreementAngelica reveals her Instagram handle and Brian encourages men in chat to reach out — she wants only good/virgin men
“just my name Angelica Zeno z u e n k o... only good guys only virgin men please”
04:47:19
ControversyBrian kicks out two late-arriving disruptive girls (redhead/ginger and Latina) who arrived 50 minutes late
“you guys were f***ing 50 minutes late you disrupted the whole f***ing show... get the f*** out”
05:20:00
QuoteBrian plays Discord clip proving Vera's false accusation about the makeup wipe — Vera caught lying
“[plays video clip] you see Brian's Body Language in his smiling face... [Vera]: he slammed it down”
05:39:00
Key MomentAndrew Wilson departs — says goodbye and leaves for early dentist appointment
“I do have to cut out a little early have a dentist appointment in the morning... it was nice to meet all of you”
06:14:00
QuoteLucy reveals her body count is 25 — 15 guys and 10 women — has a list with first and last names on her phone
“I counted on the list and 10 of them were women so that's 15 guys 15 guys yeah 10 10 women”
06:48:27
QuoteBrian reads his ideal partner wishlist — wants 7 sons, stay-at-home wife, live in Hawaii
“want to meet a great girl date for a few years travel a bunch maybe end up living in Hawaii have her help me with my mission and then like pump out seven sons”
07:48:00
Key MomentLucy and Brian discuss racism against white people — Lucy claims you can't be racist against white people, gets pushback
“there's no actual like systemic racism against white people there never has been”
Topics Discussed
00:02:12
Guest Introductions
All guests introduce themselves: Vera (22, St. Lucia, OnlyFans), Pal (24, England, OnlyFans, Psych/Neuroscience), Lucy (21, LA/SB, waitress/architecture student), Sophia (22, England, Beavo's GF, OnlyFans), Angelica (25, Canada, ballet dancer), Irma (49, San Antonio, teacher/entertainment), Julia (24, Riverside, car dealer). Andrew Wilson joins via video call.
00:14:00
OnlyFans = Prostitution Debate
Andrew Wilson argues OnlyFans is definitionally prostitution. Sophia and Pal push back strongly. Lucy mediates. Irma adds perspective. Extended debate about definitions, stigma, and whether digital sex work differs from in-person.
00:19:30
Relationship Status Round
Brian goes around the table: Vera (single, never really had relationship, saw someone 1.5 years). Lucy (single 1 year, longest was 3yr post-HS, recent 8mo situationship with bisexual dynamics). Pal (single 2yr). Sophia (in relationship with Beavo 9mo). Angelica (single, never had boyfriend, celibate 6yr). Irma (married 11yr, 4 kids). Julia (in relationship 9mo).
00:35:00
Angelica's Story (Ballet/Celibacy/Never Had BF)
Angelica reveals she's 25, never had a boyfriend, celibate 6 years, only 2 sexual partners (3 encounters). Left home at 13 for ballet scholarship. Wants to wait until marriage. Plans to create touring circus company. Called 'wife material' by panel.
01:16:10
Self-Ratings Round (Looks 1-10)
Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Vera: 10. Lucy/Pal: 7.5. Others various. Julia: 5. Andrew: 10 (sarcastically). Discussion about beauty standards, aging, Kim Kardashian BBL era, and whether breast surgery numbers are higher for augmentation vs reduction.
01:49:00
Vera vs Irma 'Pick Me' Blowup
Major confrontation between Vera (St. Lucia) and Irma (San Antonio) about 'pick me' accusations. Vera calls Irma a pick me for agreeing with men on panel. Irma fires back with profanity. Both very loud. Brian tries to moderate. They reveal they met the night before at the hostel and already had an altercation.
03:07:54
Abortion Debate
Andrew Wilson states a rape victim should still carry pregnancy to term (it's murder to terminate). Lucy and others push back strongly. Brian moderates. Wide-ranging debate including Plan B, contraception, men's reproductive rights. Andrew cites 100% of newborns put up for adoption get adopted.
04:00:06
Lucy's Sugar Daddy Stories
Lucy tells two stories: (1) Fake music video casting at hotel — turned out to be sex services menu/yachting pervert, asked her friend to perform act on him, wanted Lucy to film. (2) 45yo ugly 'family friend' sugar daddy at 18 who got her drunk and tried to assault her, made zero money both times.
04:47:19
Two Late Girls Removed
Two women who arrived 50 minutes late (a redhead/ginger and a Latina) cause disruption and are asked to leave by Brian. Brian says 'get the f*** out'. Vera alleges this was caused by her makeup wipe controversy.
04:48:00
Political Debate (Trump, Abortion, Economy)
After volatile guests leave, Lucy and Brian/Andrew debate Trump's economic policies, immigration, abortion rights, Kamala Harris. Lucy is anti-Trump, argues Biden/Trump economics, immigrants pay taxes, corporate tax on billionaires. Andrew provides conservative counter-arguments. Respectful but heated.
05:20:00
Vera Confronts Brian About Ep 207 Makeup Wipe
Vera accuses Brian of throwing a makeup wipe at her in episode 207 and asking her to remove her wig (alleges racial motivation). Brian denies and plays the Discord clip proving he did NOT throw it at her — she picked it up herself while smiling. Vera doubles down claiming cameras-off behavior was worse. False accusation segment; Brian very upset.
06:06:51
Body Count Discussion
Brian asks everyone their body count. Lucy reveals 25 (15 guys, 10 women, stopped counting on list). Vera says 'somewhere in the 20s'. Julia says 6 (or 5). Irma refuses ('anything over 2 is disrespectful to husband'). Pal's abusive ex story (fat guy, micro-penis ~2in, threw phone in traffic, physically abusive). Angelica: 2 men (3 encounters total).
06:08:00
OnlyFans Content Limits / Industry Discussion
Panel discusses what they won't do on OnlyFans. Vera won't do BG content because she wants to get married and doesn't want videos of her available forever. Sophia has had BG content with Beavo. Angelica discusses older chemistry teacher who subscribed to his former students' OnlyFans. Pal discusses mentally taxing nature of the job.
06:48:27
Brian's Ideal Woman Reveal
Brian reads his pre-written notes about ideal partner: wants to meet a great girl, date a few years, maybe live in Hawaii, 7 sons, stay-at-home wife. Slight preference for Asian or white women. Petite. Natural body supremacist (no plastic surgery). Introverted, modest, brings peace, doesn't drink/party/go to bars. Undivided attention from date 1.
07:29:00
Wife Material Round
Brian asks each guest 'are you wife material and why'. Vera: yes (cooking, cleaning, great in bed, fertile). Lucy: yes (big lover girl, needs right person). Angelica: definitely yes (warm, positive energy, loyal). Irma: yes, married. Julia: yes (submissive, acts like wife from day 1). Pal: yes (except for OnlyFans). Sophia: yes (except for OnlyFans — 'will quit when she reaches financial goal').
Transcript
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01:53:27
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01:54:01
Irma Ruizyou came and embarrassed your husband on this podcast alone you said that you two you said that you two you you know what I have a I I'm not delusional like you mamitas okay I'm delusional I'm
01:54:13
Veradelusional no you're even the guy right there he said you're too he said he's a four so you said that you're ugly I'm you said that you're ugly what is age
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Irma Ruizbecause because because because I know my my social number does not mean I'm a 10 oh I cannot wait till tomorrow talk to hey guys um long Be Long Beach
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Irma RuizFactory I'll be Mommy Long Beach Laugh Factory I'll be there I'll be talking about this [ __ ] right here you know why yesterday she comian right here honey comedian I said
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Verawill be on the same Hotel you guys I just met her last night I said get the [ __ ] out my face I said I said get the [ __ ] back so you came in my face yesterday as a pig me you came in my
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Veracame in my face yesterday as a pig yes was it not you you came in my face yesterday as a pig me I said get the [ __ ] back so that's how you wait are do you are you seeing at the hostel yes oh
01:55:10
Verayes it is so true you came in my face you know the I thought that was you you know who the [ __ ] I am you came in my face yesterday I did you came in my face yesterday and I said get the [ __ ] back
01:55:22
Irma Ruizwas she was on a chair like this on my phone on my phone minding my [ __ ] business minding my business I was I asked her wait mom hold on I asked her
01:55:32
Veraare you okay and she said stay away from me I thought that was you cuz I recognized I recognize that I recognized that when you were taking that long I saw I saw you doing that dangy eyes hair
01:55:44
Verathis morning in the bathroom don't act like you don't who [ __ ] what the [ __ ] are you talking about act like you don't know who the [ __ ] I am tell me what the [ __ ] are you talking about liter yesterday last night I was on my phone texting you about this in a whole [ __ ] and she said are you okay and I
01:55:57
Verasaid yeah then she came back are you okay and I said yeah and then she came back are you okay I said get the [ __ ] back shut the [ __ ] up [ __ ] I asked you Twi she trigger she mad and she trigger you know who the [ __ ] I am you saw me you literally greeted me when you was on
01:56:09
Verathe I'm [ __ ] visually impaired you know what I recognize that skanky ass outfit that you have that's what I [ __ ] recog vambo earrings you had a beauty supply earrings shut the [ __ ] up
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Veragivu leggings and [ __ ] who gives a [ __ ] I literally just came from my you believe do you do
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01:56:40
Brian Atlasright here right here hold cheah Prince old the age of 40 yes got you be quiet I'm fine with you guys having your back and forth but you're you can even be as
01:56:51
Brian Atlasuh emotive as you guys currently are but lower the volume a little bit problem with that so you guys can talk you can call each other [ __ ] or whatever the [ __ ] you're going to do just whisper
01:57:01
Verathat [ __ ] a little bit [ __ ] you have yeah whisper for the next I recognize in Texas you have on cheetah PR glasses with a red hoodie and a cross and cheetah print luggage you look like a street walker that's mixed with a
01:57:14
Vera[ __ ] cfle please get the [ __ ] out of here you talking about what the [ __ ] I have on I have on workout cloth can you work out can you do the whole hike I did it looks like you don't work out that's why you don't know haven't work out close BR each other down yeah I completely agree this you don't know
01:57:26
Veraabout this podcast this is what this all about none of us is [ __ ] friends is it always like this Brian and you want to be what okay I want to know what what why you even started this you know why
01:57:37
Irma Ruizcuz social media marketing cuz I asked her at the hotel at the hostal are you okay you came in my face I'm minding my business on my phone she came in your face yes I asked her are you she came in
01:57:50
Veramine literally literally I'm on my phone like with bad posture I'm on my phone texting you about the podcast are you okay and I'm like yes and then she comes back and now she comes back are you okay
01:58:02
Veraand I was like yes and then she comes back are you okay give the [ __ ] back I don't play [ __ ] like that you don't play sh like the [ __ ] out my face I don't know you I don't know you I'm not from
01:58:13
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01:58:25
Verame talking but they're theot though where is it don't do that just sit down just sit down oh I'm I think all of you put way too much emphasis on your looks when you should be really thinking about your IQ you're
01:58:37
Veraso obsess with trans people just come out obsess with Mye it's you're obsess you're the one who keep telling your age you're the one obsessed with your age you said I'm old but I'm old but I'm old you such your age stop cuz I had pride
01:58:48
Sophiain it stop you're trying to use it as going to add something really important in this conv I'm sure it's going to be very important but right so do you know how I think we'll fix this issue wait
01:58:59
Sophiawhat a bottle of champ yeah come onad come on move your mic that way yeah there you go but I think I think they're both the greatest
01:59:10
Veraup arguing over Bott that's a good is audio don't be nice and don't be asking are you okay CU that's 100% somebody comes up in your face why you minding
01:59:24
Brian Atlasgreat you can find me on social media if you want to see a pick so bad so this is to you because you're like uh something about like yeah about or I think you
01:59:35
Sophiasaid something about his appearance who St Luc oh yeah can I see the can I see the picture of you please he said we can find him on social media I don't really want to look at any of the men I
01:59:45
TTS Donationscan't just Gerald donated $2200 I was going to Champagne pop but the average Caribbean girl ruined it have you ever been to the Caribbean for
01:59:55
Verathe next pel sorry no don't do that damn thank you Gerald appreciate it what can I do to make it up what can I do to make it up to you just Gerald you can be
02:00:06
Lucyquiet for probably 30 minutes I wa so wa so she's to pick me but now you're saying what can I do for her for this guy this random guy I'll call my boyfriend a
02:00:17
Verabig I want the champagne I want to be picked for the champagne okay real okay champ as do I HS up if we think champagne they're not going to do it they're not going to do it for the for
02:00:27
Brian Atlasthe chat in the panel and I I think just stop just stop I would love to see the live chat stop mtpb thank you man some twos are better than tens title Today
02:00:37
Brian AtlasShow Brian's headache vivo's chippy vers Andrew and St Lucia vers San Antonio the chippy and best o model from St Lucia owe the viewers and panel an apology I
02:00:49
Veradon't apologize to no one unless I mean it I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody all right I'm entertaining you guys that's why you're here and sipping
02:01:01
Brian AtlasI feel like I just haven't been able to speak be more entertaining no girl oh I get it slow can we talk about what we're supposed to talk about yeah let's uh let's get back to the dating
02:01:14
Brian Atlasconversation really quick before we do though I'm not going to let you escape this so right before everything just went catastrophic you said to me that I make a lot of claims without any
02:01:25
Pal / Juliaevidence can you point to one we've already been we've already been through this she it's not really but we have I've answered that question twice she
02:01:35
Pal / Juliadoesn't remember she I can go look it up if you want I mean there's a lice thing and then there's the comment about the plastic surgery yeah just because you looked up but it was right doesn't mean
02:01:47
Brian Atlasyou should make false claims about it when you how would it be a false claim if I end up because you when you said it kind of logical wait guys there's too many
02:01:58
Brian Atlaspeople talking all at once you guys can't do these little quips and let me just say one little quick thing you guys got to let people like have their exchanges
02:02:07
Brian Atlasso the this is essentially just a fallacy that you're using here okay okay I can't be bed for your conversation that was great good good ex
02:02:19
Brian Atlaswe're not going to get anywhere that was beautiful yeah all right so uh let's see here we have uh let's get into some the oh no well we didn't finish the 10 thing why are you a
02:02:31
Brian Atlas10 because I am that was great thank you for elabor my facial my facial structure symmetry facial hair body what do you think um if if there were a thousand men
02:02:42
Brian Atlaswhat do you think they would rate you 10 okay and then to you if there were a thousand men who are rating you on your looks why do you think they would rate you on average I mean mean I don't like okay wait I I would
02:02:55
Lucyprobably like I would like to say 10 but I feel like there's a lot of people who are modified who would maybe have kind of changed the norm of what a 10 out of 10 looks like so you would have been a
02:03:07
Lucy10 like like I mean I don't know I think that everybody has different preferences I definitely know that I'm not everyone's tight but I'm most people's tight okay well I mean we have to just use the current modern standards for
02:03:18
Brian Atlasthis assessment maybe they would say I was like a eight or a nine but I don't really care what they think okay and then uh going around the table on this uh do you think you'll be better
02:03:30
Brian Atlaslooking in 10 years time oh my God yeah starting with you so you're 22 would you be better look well you claim to be 22 uh will you be better looking at 32 probably not no okay you're 26 will you be better looking in 10 years time
02:03:43
Brian Atlasat 36 I feel like I will look the same look kind of like similar the same yeah okay what about 20 years time uh 6 oh no okay all right you're 21 do you think you'll
02:03:54
Brian Atlasbe better looking in 10 years time at 31 I think I get hotter every year that I live okay so uh 20 years time at 41 absolutely dude my mom is 57 and she's beautiful let me let me repeat the
02:04:06
Brian Atlasquestion since perhaps you've not understood it correctly so you think you think I'm going to look more beautiful in 20 years or is that what you're asking me my opinion on no so well wait people can be attractive at 31 41 51
02:04:19
Lucythat's not the question though the question is compared to how you look today at 21 um do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time at 31 I don't know about better I think it um I think that I lowkey I do think that I
02:04:31
Lucymight I think it's very plausible because when I was like 18 I thought that I was super hot I thought I was everything and then even over the last like 3 years I definitely have changed my opinion about myself my face has changed you know that's just natural as you get older your bones are more
02:04:44
Lucydefined and stuff so I have kind of a flat face I Contour of course to make that look better but I do think at 31 I'm going have to do that okay and then 20 years time at 41 um I am EXC I this is maybe an unpopular opinion but I'm excited to age I think that it's a
02:04:56
Lucybeautiful thing that happens to people and I think that if we are so scared of it it's going to affect us more 30 years time at 51 absolutely dude like I said my mom is 57 and she [ __ ] parties with me like she's very cool
02:05:10
Lucyshe's very beautiful and she has a great time 57y old mom yeah dude she's awesome she she was an actress well I mean like she doesn't like go to the club with me but like we'll go to the bar together sometimes and like whenever yeah dude she's [ __ ] awesome she's like
02:05:22
Lucyliterally so cool is she married or she's married yeah her and my dad are together he comes with us too sometimes he's not as much of a social butterfly though like me and my mom are kind of the dynamic duo okay um okay 40 years
02:05:33
Lucytime at 61 well okay I plan on being a gilf I cannot I cannot promise what everyone else thinks about that yeah I I plan on being a mil and then a gilf so we'll see I mean like who knows you can never know I might get into like a
02:05:46
Andrew Wilsontragic accident had like a scar across my face and then okay so quian I don't mean to cut it in but I wanted to correct something um so this is from the earlier conversation was having with chair one on the root of Christian and
02:05:59
Andrew Wilsonthe reason I bring this up is because I just wanted to make sure I knew where you were coming from um the word cron comes from the Swiss French word cresten which means Christian right that's what
02:06:11
Andrew Wilsonyou're saying the term was used in the 18th century to describe a person with physical deformity you got it backwards you got it backwards so that's an 18th century word right the root word comes
02:06:23
Andrew Wilsonfrom the Greek Christos so just so you know going forward you you had it backwards you had it you had it in reverse no I don't but for the viewers go and look it up all right whatever okay they can but
02:06:35
Brian AtlasI I just told you so you know whatever okay so better looking 10 20 30 years time correct yeah sure what do you mean yeah sure I mean I who knows okay some people
02:06:48
Lucyage horribly some people are like the most beautiful looking ever right now and then 5 years they're like G you're 24 better looking in 10 years time at 34 I think I'll just be the same okay the
02:06:59
Pal / Juliasame in 10 years um the same rating but I'm sure in men's views I would be less goodlooking all right and then what about in 20 years time at 44 your your own rating I guess
02:07:11
Pal / Julia[Music] um probably the same maybe a bit worse okay depends what you think beauty is sure uh you're 25 better looking in 10 years time at 35 yeah I'll be richer
02:07:22
Sophiathen so what how what impact would that have on your looks what I don't know my personality I'll be better because I'm more Rich yeah I know but your personality
02:07:33
Sophiainfluences how you look and how happy you are and if I'm happier in 10 years time with a load of money then I will convey that through my looks so plastic
02:07:44
Sophiasurgery no just like happy the glow happy more holidays more sun I'm from for [ __ ] sake I've got I've got no sun like look how pale I am I'll
02:07:57
Brian Atlasbe happier in 10 years time when I'm living abroad all right so 10 years of Aging but a bit of a tan is going to okay yeah all right uh 20 years time at
02:08:06
Brian Atlas45 no okay then you you're 25 to right 25 uh better will you be better looking in 10 years time at 35 I think maybe or
02:08:17
AngelicaI think I'll say the same um I think maybe is this good yeah I think maybe or like maybe the same like around the same okay I feel like the 30s like I feel like like you said your face changes so I feel like I'll for the worse usually
02:08:30
Angelicaor for the better I think like you said it depends it's genetics some people have like better genetics with that like you said sometimes they age really quickly yeah wrinkles decrease as you get older or Botox no I I think that for
02:08:42
Lucyher specifically she kind of has a little bit more of a baby face which is a good thing so what your cheekbones will get more defined your jawline will get more defined maybe yes you'll have wrinkles or two but I don't think that makes you any less beautiful also she
02:08:53
Lucyhas pretty eyes thank you do too which her eyes will get better as she how do you think that you're going to look in 20 years babe like I don't think it really matters that much I think if you're happy like I mean people people
02:09:05
Brian Atlasstrive towards Happ say will look worse in 10 years or 20 years in fact I think I was I think I was better looking when I was younger how old are you 35 how rich are
02:09:15
Brian Atlasyou no right like comparison on like I don't think my have you got more money over the last 10 years yeah but I've also been more stressed I've also been I would argue that the more money you're
02:09:26
Brian Atlasmake you make there's typically going to be a COR bound corresponding increase in your stress levels which is going to age you physically so yeah I've made more money but I've aged like in the past two
02:09:36
Brian Atlasyears doing this [ __ ] show I've been under immense stress doing the show so would you say you sold your soul oh uh I don't think I sold my soul but I uh I
02:09:48
Brian Atlasmade I decided to make the tradeoff to uh you know perhaps make more more money in the short term so I I have instead of
02:09:57
Brian Atlasworking a more reasonable job right where I would have to work for till I'm 65 there's a good chance I'll be able to retire by the time I'm 40 for example this is going to come with more stress
02:10:10
Brian Atlasbut I've made the determination that this increased stress now is worth the tradeoff than having to work into my 60s like a only fans grow totally different not really totally the same tell you how that's not different well I'm not going
02:10:23
Brian Atlasto allow you to derail the conversation so you can bring it up later nope you can bring it up later but we're going to continue on with this so uh um 10 years hold on 20 years time at 45 I think yeah
02:10:36
Brian Atlasat that point maybe I'll definitely look more mature and like yeah I I so older yeah I'll look older you look older okay so will you be better looking probably not okay all right and then to you you're 49 do you think you'll be better
02:10:48
Brian Atlaslooking in 10 years time at 59 no but I'm going blind so it doesn't really matter that's can you scoot your can you not lean on the table scoot your mic to the very edge of the table tilt your microphone down please got it and just
02:11:00
Brian Atlasguys I'm we said this just leave the mics where they are okay yes all right uh and then were you better looking 10 years ago at 39 versus now at 49 yeah
02:11:09
Irma Ruiznot very much but okay and then were you better looking at 29 versus now at 49 no bear looking now at 49 versus when you
02:11:17
Irma Ruizwere 29 yeah just cuz you know stuff medicine okay and then it's Little's do 19 were you better looking at 19 yes I was better at looking at 19 okay and then you you're 24 will you be better
02:11:30
Pal / Julialooking in 10 years time at 34 honestly I feel like yeah I will be uh 20 years time at
02:11:38
Brian Atlas44 probably not then yeah okay all right um I agree I do want to ask those of you I think I just want to ask YouTu primarily uh well maybe those who who
02:11:51
Brian Atlasreally quick show of hands who said better looking in 10 years well I said the same okay do you think men will find you more attractive 10 years time compared to
02:12:05
Pal / Julianow well it depends if I look the same if I look the same maybe do you think you'll look the same yeah 10 years isn't that long I have
02:12:16
Brian Atlasfriends in their 30s and they look kind of the same you don't think you start getting a little under eye stuff I already have
02:12:26
Brian Atlasgray hair so okay yeah so are we arriving at a response or she gave you a
02:12:36
Brian Atlasresponse I don't think it was particular they might not think I'm that attractive compared to now okay if you were to compete with your uh 36-year-old self do
02:12:47
Brian Atlasyou think you would be able to out compete your 36-year old your self now or would your 36-year-old self out compete you no now okay what about you you're
02:12:59
Lucynot going to like my answer Brian I don't care what men think of me I truly do not do you want to get married uh uh yeah maybe someday you want to have kids absolutely biological
02:13:10
Lucykids sure yeah you better care what men think about you well I ideally ideally the man that I'm with is not into something so superficial as looks ideally the man is not into only something superficial as my looks I think that's a very fair statement we
02:13:23
Lucyshould explore that I think if I'm only looking for a partner who cares about what I look like physically because I look hot are you kidding well that's very rather superficial thing for you to say I disagree I think that I am accentuating
02:13:35
Lucythe way that I look and I think that is a very okay thing well wouldn't it be superficial to play with your appearance well right now I'm not doing it so that people will find me hot I'm doing it so that when you have a light a bunch of Lights and Camera on me that I look okay
02:13:46
Lucyand I don't have to worry about acne and whatnot yeah see thank you I do it pretty natural yeah right but she goes yeah but you do care you do care about your own looks I I do care about how I personally feel about myself and I think that's the most
02:13:59
Brian Atlasimportant thing but that that has to do with like external reality sure absolutely but I think that in 10 years time I so at 21 years old if you were stranded on an island and you had a [ __ ] ton of makeup Supply but you had other
02:14:12
Brian Atlasforms of entertainment do you think you would put makeup on yeah but I'm not in a stranded Island baby I'm in USA right but the argument here is is you put on makeup not necessarily for yourself it's
02:14:24
Lucyfor the external World well in 10 years time I can still do my makeup I don't really understand what the point is I don't understand what your point is my my point is that I don't really have a listen I when I go out I go out because I want to feel hot and look hot it's not
02:14:38
Lucybecause I'm like oh how many people are going to think that I like look a certain way we do it for the girls and the games it really is for the girls and the gend the day like if the girls bisexual so you're trying to attract fem okay well I also but also not everything's about sex for me it has
02:14:51
Lucynothing to do with sex you're still trying to attract a partner okay well listen you just said you do it for the women but you're attracted to women but I do it for the women it's not cuz I'm necessarily looking for a female I think I think that in then in 10 years time if
02:15:04
Lucypeople don't find me as attractive then that's not something that I'd want in a partner because I want a partner who will find me attractive for the rest of my life right I want to go with somebody and look at them and and I want them to look at me and say I love you just the [ __ ] way that you are because if I'm
02:15:16
Brian Atlashaving kids with this person biological kids I want them to love every bit of me because my kid is going to look like me yeah that's a totally fair position to have but you didn't really answer the question the question is do you think men will find you more attractive in 10 years time compar now probably not
02:15:29
Lucybecause men like girls who just look really young and I don't think I'm going to look as young when I'm when I'm 31 and I just think that that's like like I got hit on more when I was 17 than I do now just talkinging about adult
02:15:41
Brian Atlasrelationships here so um well yes but you're you're talking about do think I'm going to be more attractive to men in 10 years do you think a man like so if a man were to find you more attractive now at your 21 versus like you when you're
02:15:53
Lucy41 that would mean he's like a p word is that what no that's not what I'm saying at all I'm saying that I don't judge I am not I I my whole life doesn't revolve around how attractive people think that I am yeah I didn't make that
02:16:05
Lucyclaim so then point is that men like younger women my point is that I think that men will probably not find me as attractive at 31 than I am at 21 however I don't think that that's going to be an impact on my life at all because ideally
02:16:18
Lucythe partners the the kind of men that I'm dating right now are not going to be the same kind of men that I'm dating when I'm actually searching to get married and settle down what do what do you mean by that like right now I'm just looking for fun I I I can [ __ ] a guy who has different political views than me just because I can just [ __ ] him but if
02:16:30
Lucyit comes down to me getting married to this person I want someone to have the same values and morals as me which political views are those well I feel I feel like it's fairly obvious judged on all of my responses today camela well I
02:16:42
LucyI am not pro camab also it's comma you're but I'm definitely anti- Donald Trump [ __ ] that guy in his orange Cheeto head yep oh boy um oh boy that's why I didn't bring it up see hun it's okay
02:16:52
Andrew Wilsonit's okay I'm not I'm not triggered by your CR going in the crystals I yeah the crystals what's your Crystal color what is it what's the crystal color that you want to go
02:17:04
Lucyinto is this something about the podcast I'm not familiar with does that mean he likes to put Li wi stuff like witchcraft put me put me in a put me in a corelon cuz that's the stone of love
02:17:15
Lucybaby and I'm all love it's orange like the color I'm wearing today so you get an orange crystal Yay see I'm not I'm not ashamed by that okay love question you know what I think that I think that I'm hot now and I think I will be hot in 30 years or not
02:17:28
Lucy30 years 20 years 20 years 10 years 20 years 30 years whatever it is I don't think it really matters I think that what's more important to me is my brain my psyche and my moral cavity I do want to go back to the whole thing about when it came to uh you said it would be
02:17:41
Lucysuperficial for a guy to care about your looks well I think that is position okay let me uh explain that a little bit further cuz I think that it maybe is going to get misunderstood I think that it is superficial for someone to only care about looks I do think that
02:17:53
Lucyattraction is an extremely crucial part of having a relationship with somebody it's really hard to be with someone who you don't find physically attractive even if there is an emotional connection
02:18:02
Lucythere so with that being said I oh I do think that um it is important for you to be sexually and physically attracted to your partner but I do not think that that should be the only basis
02:18:15
Lucyand so ideally the person that I'm looking for maybe I am not their ideal woman physically but if they like me on every other like point of value and I like them on every other point of value like that is way more important to me than someone who is just dating me for
02:18:28
Lucymy looks aren't you kind of contradicting yourself a little bit I I don't think so I don't think so because it's it's um it's it's it's human chemistry attraction is chemistry hang on hang on let me no please sorry yeah
02:18:39
Andrew Wilsonyeah let me let me explain what I mean so it sounded like you were saying so what Brian's asking is for you to base your looks essentially on whatever you think objectively they are from a
02:18:51
Andrew Wilsonphysical standpoint I assume that most people get their objective standpoint whatever they call their objective standpoint for their looks based on what they think the opposite sex thinks they they uh they essentially rate at right
02:19:04
Andrew Wilsonwhen you say well okay but there's this internal aspect to it I don't deny that right but if you then agree well the physical attraction is going to be very important to you in a relationship I assume that you think the physical attraction is going to be very important
02:19:16
Andrew Wilsonto the man in the relationship so wouldn't we be utilizing still the standard of attra ress from the man right absolutely but my point still is that I'm not going to be any less attractive 10 years from now so it doesn't really matter if someone like
02:19:28
Andrew Wilsonfinds me because if someone doesn't find me attractive okay I won't be with them no I I get that but I I just don't see how that really contends with it because it's still a physical attractive so you
02:19:38
Andrew Wilsonthink you think do do you think that men in general will find you more attractive in 10 years they do right now I guess that's the better way I already answered that and I said no I don't think so based on my experience
02:19:51
Andrew Wilsonwell then then doesn't that seem to kind of follow then that that would mean that you think you'll be less attractive in 10 years well you know what my ideal man is not like all men so and also who knows if I'll even be with a man like I
02:20:03
Lucysaid I am bisexual and I'm very much 5050 I just because I like women right now sexually does not mean that I think I'm going to settle down with a man I think that I very well could settle down with a woman as well and women have different standards of beauty yeah they
02:20:14
Andrew Wilsonpict I mean that's that's fair right I mean it is I disagree you should see some of these Butch lesbians it it is is rare for bisexual women to actually get married to women it's usually more common do you have a statistic on that
02:20:27
Andrew Wilsonyeah actually I can pull it up sure it's actually very it's actually very that's interesting yeah it's very very low just in bisexual women so that's um uh with bisexual men the opposite it's very
02:20:40
Andrew Wilsonstrange right well they they still marry women more but they tend to they still marry men at higher rates it's very strange how the sexual Dynamics work there uh but back to this uh when we're talking about physical attractiveness
02:20:52
Andrew Wilsonyou say in 10 years most men will find you less physically attractive they do now then it sounds like based on your objective standard you think you would be less physically attractive than you are now I wouldn't think that I think that I'm going to get hotter in 10 years
02:21:05
Lucybut I know you're not basing that on a physical standard yes I am absolutely I am are you kidding I I just described it I said that my that like just based on like I can look at my family and my genetics and see the people and the way that they have aged and most of the
02:21:17
Lucypeople in my family have aged very very well and if if anything like I am just not concerned about how that's going to happen because for me like gen like like I it might have come off as like satire earlier when I said this but I genuinely
02:21:29
Lucydo think I get more beautiful every year I think that that is that is a part of of growing as a human being your your phys your physicality changes every year but that seems that that's what the
02:21:39
Andrew Wilsoncontradiction is because if the idea here that you agreed to is that you get your beauty standard on what men think is beautiful and then in 10 years you're going to be less beautiful to men then by your own Beauty standard you'd
02:21:53
Lucybe saying you're less beautiful no no no no no no no babe I I'm sorry I think I think I was maybe confusing you a little bit my personal Beauty standard is my personal Beauty standard and that is not but where where does it where where does
02:22:03
Lucyit informed from um my my family members my the the girls that I admire um things that make me feel good and feel confident the way that when I look in the mirror and I tell myself in the morning that I'm beautiful and I
02:22:16
Lucyactually agree with it like like I said I have dealt with a lot of body body and face issues in my physicality my whole life like is like I know some girls might not like they might look at me and not believe that but now I know
02:22:28
Lucyobjectively like I can have a better standpoint with it but what I'm I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that um I my own Beauty standard is my own Beauty standard the things that I find attractive are not always the
02:22:41
Lucythings that my friends find attractive and like like maybe that even goes into dating like the kind of guys or girls that I date my friends will look at me and be like really you know like that sort of thing where you know objective
02:22:52
Andrew Wilsonopinion is objective or sorry subjective opinion is subjective opinion and so that can there seems to be universals right there seems to be some pretty agreed upon universals and it makes sense exactly the agreed upon universals is is that men usually like girls who
02:23:04
Andrew Wilsonlook a little bit younger because they always say that youth is a virtue and all that stuff so I think it's just a it's just a matter of reproduction so the idea is like um well you might scoff
02:23:16
Andrew Wilsonbut hear me out for a second uh from an evolutionary standpoint you agree that the primary edict is reproduction right that is the primary edict and so it would make sense why biological beings
02:23:28
Lucywould be attracted to those who are the most fertile okay right yeah sure but I just don't think that that applies to me specifically I think that is very true that there isn't there is the accept I I
02:23:40
LucyI don't know if I said I'm accept but I'm going say that I don't think that that applies to me and what my values are I'm not going to settle down with somebody who is worried about my biological clock ticking that's just not it's not that they're worried about the
02:23:51
Andrew Wilsonbi no no no you're conflating two different things right so so hear what I'm saying here sure I'm not saying that men are basing you on your biological clock I'm talking about attraction the idea of Attraction it would make sense
02:24:04
Andrew Wilsonthat men are attracted to women who are fertile for the purpose of reproduction they don't know why they're attracted to them like they don't know that it's because they're fertile and that's why they're attracted to youth right they like how would they know that they're
02:24:16
Andrew Wilsonnot they're not psychoanalyzing it they just look at a woman and go beautiful not but the reason that they're saying beautiful not beautiful and the reason they have a universal attraction is because of reproduction a biological
02:24:29
Lucybeing is going to be attracted to the thing that that they can reproduce with right like like every biological being that makes sense absolutely yeah and that's the same way but I would choose a partner who is ideally sound of mind but
02:24:40
Lucyalso sound of body and health as well yeah I I do I do have a question for you though is that what age do you think is the best age for a woman to have a
02:24:48
Andrew Wilsonchild I think between 18 24 seems to be optimal um so I just want to really quick but hang on hang on no sorry yeah
02:24:58
Andrew Wilsoncompletely clear up clear up until 28 29 seems to be seems to be pretty fine I think that around the 30s it's usually pretty bad it starts to decrease exponentially okay and bu the 40 is
02:25:10
Lucygenerally not not a good idea even okay that's really sweet um so my mother had me when she was 36 years old when I was born she was 37 she had my brother 2 years later so do you think and and we came out
02:25:22
Lucyperfectly fine I'm perfectly healthy I have no allergies I like the way that I look um and she is again she's not 57 and she looks [ __ ] amazing she has literally like I'm glad I'm glad you
02:25:33
Lucywere born and that she had you well thank you I appreciate that but I'm just saying that I think that it's that and so my father still loves the [ __ ] out of her like I literally have never seen a man more in love with a woman in my life and I'm very grateful that I because I
02:25:46
Lucyknow that not everybody gets to experience that I'm very very aware that not everyone has that that kind of love in their household but I do think that when I am searching for a partner I'm searching for somebody who has those
02:25:57
Lucyqualities that my dad has where he's you know my mother is 36 which is out apparently at your definition out of the range of of prime breeding right but he still looked at her and he still wanted to create children with her and have a
02:26:10
Andrew Wilsonmarriage and they still love each other I wish you I wish you kind of wouldn't Mis characterize what I say right cuz I'm trying to be very precise and I'm trying to be I'm just talking to you about what is optimal not saying that women in their 40s shouldn't have
02:26:23
Andrew Wilsonchildren okay not saying that I'm just saying that optimally it seems like it's a better idea for them to have them in their 20s well I think that if you can't have children you shouldn't do you understand do you understanding I just I just want to hear this so I know yeah do
02:26:36
Andrew Wilsonyou understand the distinction when I say I'm not saying that there's a problem with women in their 40s having children I'm just saying for most everybody on every woman on planet Earth it's generally optimal for them to have them in their for biologic biologically
02:26:49
Lucyabsolutely but I think that mentally I would not have been sound I still don't think I'm sound to have a child I think that I have a lot of things to work on I think that I ideally if my life goes the way that I want it to if I wish upon a
02:27:00
Lucystar I will be married and have children by the time that I'm 2932 range is when I want to start doing that however if it happens later then fine because I'm not I'm not in a rush
02:27:13
Lucybut I'm not going to like I'm I want to search for a if I do end up with a guy I'm going to end up with a guy who is like my father in that aspect where he was he looked at my mother and he thought okay she's beautiful but also
02:27:25
Lucyshe's intelligent and also she's funny and also she had it would be a good mother and like you know there's all these other qualities I'm not sure why any of that is excluded by age like well that's kind of what but but you're talking about like attractiveness and
02:27:38
Andrew Wilsonthat's what I'm saying and like attractiveness is not even the only quality that you should be measuring about men finding you attractive yeah I think I think that attractiveness by your own metric earlier you said it's
02:27:49
Andrew Wilsonhighly important and perhaps even we could agree it could be the most important category not to negate all other categories but perhaps the most important category I think is attractiveness that you're attracted to
02:28:02
Lucythe other person I hear you attractiveness isn't just about looks it's about the whole there's phermones involved I've dated some ugly men man
02:28:11
Andrew WilsonI'll tell you that right now there's no dispute that there's 80 gazillion jillion different characteristics other than Beauty and attractiveness which are important in a relationship no dispute
02:28:23
Lucynobody's disputing that all I'm doing is giving it a hierarchy of prioritization absolutely I don't think yeah I don't think I'm going to have a hard time finding a partner I don't think that that's going to be an issue for me I think that if anything people I I have
02:28:36
Lucybeen hit on my whole life and frankly it's a little bit unsatisfying when someone comes up to me and tells me I'm beautiful I'm like okay cool I already know that tell me something else about me because that's just not as important to me when when you when you have it
02:28:48
Lucyoversaturated to you when you're being told you're pretty that you're hot that you're sexy your whole life it doesn't matter as much to you because you're like okay cool what else you know so that's just like I'm not I I'm totally like hearing you and that's why I'm glad we can have this like open conversation
02:29:01
Lucyabout this because I think it is important for a lot of people to talk about but I think it's also important that a lot of women don't think that their value declines as they get older because that's simply not true yes you might not be as physically attractive as you are in your prime time but your
02:29:13
Andrew Wilsonvalue as a human being does not decline your value as a human being no no hang on your value as a human being doesn't that but but your value as a fertile
02:29:24
Andrew Wilsonwoman does depend and right here honey cheers to that baby cheers to that GRE Eggs and Ham right here ATT ATT if attractiv around the idea of fertility
02:29:36
Andrew Wilsonand it has to be it literally it has to be or the human species would not be able to thrive like there's no way around that it has to be based around the idea so right yeah you know what
02:29:47
Lucyyeah yeah babe correct great argument yeah no I don't think that was an argument I think that that was a very effective and respectful conversation I was not in any way trying to put you down I'm just like stting my
02:30:00
Lucyopinion versus yours and then we're doing facts and facts and I appreciate you for involving me in that dialogue no so thank you yeah can I get an actual argument here I know huh sorry I don't
02:30:10
Lucystart fights I just I just like to be kind it's it's not a fight yeah I'm just start fight counter AR
02:30:20
Lucyoh man um so yeah we have a couple chats do you think that argument means fight no I think the argument means discussion but sometimes arguments turn into fights
02:30:31
Andrew Wilsonbut also you said fight didn't you no I didn't no no I said it's not a fight I'm just looking for a counterargument to what I'm saying oh I I thought that I gave you a pretty good
02:30:40
TTS Donationsone but maybe not yeah I said agree cuz I didn't want to keep talking about it frankly real women don't off donated 200
02:30:51
TTS Donationsit's sad seeing this future generation of low value women with not one coherent answer or point so far es 1 and five peas please Slide the mics away from 1
02:31:03
TTS Donationsand five we can feel the of saliva flying from here 20 all right uh thank you for the TTS man appreciate it and then we do have Lucas coming in here in
02:31:14
Brian Atlasjust a moment thank you real women Lucas Thank You Youth and Beauty markers of fertility and good jeans beauty is objective not subjective some
02:31:23
Brian Atlasvariability it's based on Symmetry and the golden ratio 1.6 to1 by 35 average by age 35 average 90% of eggs are not
02:31:34
Andrew Wilsonviable Lucas I hope your mom does not like you that that seems like a bit aggressive me well cuz like what the heck man he's making a very sound he's making a very sound op if 90% of eggs
02:31:46
Lucyaren't inviable how did my mom have two children with no complications that makes no sense is 90% 100% wait wait wait is 90% 100% you're saying the two times you 90% 100%
02:31:57
Lucyyou're the so so two times the 10% one really like I don't know I think all of us were part of the 10% 10% is a lot like when
02:32:06
Andrew Wilsonyou but also yeah sorry no goang imagine sperm 10% of a thousand is 100 like it's a lot it's more than you think right so you have a th000 people if you're like well only 10% of that unit died and
02:32:19
Andrew Wilsonthere was a people inside of a military unit you'd be like that's a [ __ ] blood bath right it's actually a really really large number when you when you scale it all he's looking at is he's just saying there's universals here and
02:32:30
Lucyif we're looking at universals which are widely agreed upon these seem to be them okay sure absolutely um I I just I think that I mean again going back to how we were talking about earlier the I think
02:32:42
Lucyversus this is true like the statement versus opinion my opinion is that beauty is not objective but that's all also just my opinion so maybe you don't agree with me and that's completely okay because if you want to have your opinion on it that's fine I think that the
02:32:55
Brian Atlaspeople that I'm attracted to are not always what my friends are attracted to like that's just what I'm saying about it yeah wait Andrew I know we had this conversation like is is beauty objective to some degree to some degree absolutely there's a golden ratio Andrew objective
02:33:08
Andrew Wilsonsorry I'm not Andrew yeah now she agrees there's a golden ratio um there's going to be so the only way to do this right right and I would I would largely agree that there's a subjective category here and
02:33:20
Andrew Wilsonthis subjective category may be higher than the objective category um but there but there's clearly universals and there has to be universals for the reasons that I stated right the human the human species could not procreate if all human
02:33:33
Andrew Wilsonbeings were attracted to 80y olds for instance if they were never attracted to 20 year olds and they were only attracted to 80y olds there's no babies right so of course it makes sense that they're going to be attracted to 20 year- olds right that that makes total
02:33:46
Andrew Wilsonsense like there's no way around that so if that is also the case that that part of this is the fertility and it has to be then of course there's going to be ratios that would be good indicators for fertility of course there
02:33:58
Andrew Wilsonis's going to be like wide hips or there's going to be this shape or there's going to be Health metrics things like this and I would say all of those would go into some kind of objective metric but when you're asking about preference that's where we get it
02:34:09
Andrew Wilsonconflated Brian is in preference when we're talking about well what is a person prefer with inside of those metrics so perhaps you can agree health is a really good standard M and everybody agrees that's a universal
02:34:22
Andrew Wilsonvalue you have to be healthy or I'm not attracted to you let's say 99% of people agree that that's true uh but inside of that value there's still a preference and the preference is saying
02:34:33
Andrew Wilsonbut but based on this you know I don't find them healthy enough or this isn't what I consider to be good health that's where the subjective value comes in okay no I agree with that I mean I was I was
02:34:46
Lucyjust I was just answering Brian's question not trying not trying to yeah uh so wait do you think it's subjective objective well I think that everything that um Andrew just said is absolutely correct I think that there is definitely standards of beauty I think
02:34:59
Lucythat there is definitely a golden ratio but I do also want to bring up the point that like because that there's even a conversation about what is beautiful and not beautiful goes to show that there's people who are not beautiful in this
02:35:11
Lucyworld so how do those people come to be here they were did they just spawn no they were made because two people who were not beautiful made a child together that's not even true but it is but yes it is how did these people get to be
02:35:23
Lucyhere then if those people really goodlooking people can have a really ugly kid I know but that's not the point the point is that people will procreate together if if there's a shared love there they don't have to both be and yes it could be because not everyone [ __ ]
02:35:35
Lucylives in LA right where there's lots of beautiful wom running around but also it's like you know you can't say that something like I mean I I guess no you know what I'm going to backtrack a
02:35:48
Lucylittle bit because I do think that that attraction is definitely very important but I think that it is extremely limiting to say so because I can speak for probably every woman here that we probably did an ugly man or two in our lives yep okay cool wait I actually want
02:36:00
Brian Atlasto challenge this a little please no no no please please please I'd like to challenge this this is this is where we get to the universals yeah so a couple things on this thing so one you you'll say well I dat an ugly
02:36:11
Brian Atlasguy but and this look perhaps for some of you this won't be the case but the man has made up for it by being exceptional in some C oh no no no the ugly guy was also horrible to me well that's that's that's the one I was
02:36:24
Andrew Wilsontelling you about earlier I told you that was a mistake that I made yeah the mon a few questions the ugly guy was he taller than you yes he was how tall was he taller than you not by much he was
02:36:34
Lucy5'10 I'm 5'9 yeah and do you consider like for instance almost oh no but I dated short guys too trust you insecure about you are you insecure about your height it has nothing to do with
02:36:46
Lucyanything why I'm 6' tall was there anything else you had was there anything else you had babe so anyway back to where I was I think Andrew likes me guys before
02:36:57
Andrew WilsonI was so rudely wonder if you can if we're talking about height universals most women prefer men who are taller than them so that would be Universal so we need to say well this guy's really ugly
02:37:10
Andrew Wilsonokay yeah maybe but now we've just checked one of those universals right sure I think we're getting inside of the we're in the category but now we have preferences go ahead go ahead no absolutely um I think that also like so
02:37:22
Lucymy my term of saying like ugly guys like I definitely thought that he was attractive all my friends did not I don't know if it's the same thing for you guys like where you're like oh my God this guy's so hot like he's so fit whatever and you shut to your friends and they're and they go let me no no no
02:37:34
Lucyno no hold on no wait why were you attracted to him um because like it's really hard to explain for me I think that the main thing was phermones which is like horrible which is a very
02:37:45
Lucyreal thing so you smelled the guy a lot of men this is scient can look this up Andrew babe because you have Google unlock can you look this up phermones are like an actual really real clear so I'm ask the question I'm asking you yeah
02:37:56
Brian Atlasbut usually hold on yes so the question I'm asking you is what appealed you to him and the only thing you can site to is no no no fair not the only thing not
02:38:07
LucyI said to start if you so I I liked that he was um he was very giving he was very feminine he was very in touch with his feminine side but he was also very masculine he was like he he took care of
02:38:19
Lucyhealth I like the way that he dressed I liked the music that he listened to like there was a lot of things that go into it where it's um where it's this kind of uh Co did you like his personality I
02:38:31
Brian Atlasdid like his personality when it first started I liked his personality a lot his personality is really what drew me in I was the claim that I was about to make was while perhaps you you claim he wasn't good-look he made up for it by
02:38:44
Brian Atlasbeing exceptional in comparison to other potential men who you could have dated in another category no but I thought he was attractive like that I still do to this day think that he's attractive my friends will disagree with me if you
02:38:56
Lucythink he's physically so that's what I'm saying about women cuz if you're saying cuz you're saying what are what are men going to think about me in 10 years if I think that I'm hot in 10 years then why does it [ __ ] matter what a guy thinks about me years infertile women make up for in other categories then as you say
02:39:09
Andrew Wilsonmaybe ugly women make up for in other categories because whatever this is actually a very good point that you bring up the when you when you're talking about other categories I think that the prioritization between men and
02:39:20
Andrew Wilsonwomen in these other categories is vastly different so I think that men will put up and prioritize Beauty and physical standards much much higher uh than women will whereas women are
02:39:33
Andrew Wilsonlooking at an allocation of these different things like perhaps resources um you know social status uh various things like this where men are mostly just prioritizing for this so when you say well what about these you
02:39:45
Andrew Wilsonknow like other categories that men would be prioritizing for I don't think they really prior for too many other categories right to be honest with you I really don't think they do very much but there's there's some like I don't I don't want to write off all guys
02:39:58
Andrew Wilsonbecause I think that there are some men who definitely aren't superficial like there's some things that are going to be important you can't be a [ __ ] you can't be insufferable you can't and gas them all the time like there's there's some things I think that they would consider
02:40:10
Andrew Wilsonto be a priority but the thing is is like there's also a lot of guys who will put up with a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] from a totally stupid [ __ ] just cuz she's right this is so true and you're like
02:40:22
Lucywhat are you doing she's insufferable and they're like yeah but she hot bro no this is so true and I hear that but you can't write off all all like all people I yeah no no she's been W to talk forever hold on don't you think a lot of
02:40:34
Pal / Juliawomen put up with insufferable stuff for men from good dick I think so I put up with a lot of [ __ ] for good dick I'll tell you that for one thing for one thing I don't think that there are as
02:40:46
Lucymany men who are as insufferable as there are I disagree on that so heavy like that's insane really quick on that really quick on that um who's typically the one to be
02:40:57
Lucylabeled as nagging men or women probably women yeah that doesn't mean they just cuz they're labeled that way cuz women are also labeled as [ __ ] when men sleep with way more people than women women
02:41:08
Pal / Juliaare the ones who call each other [ __ ] more than men dude we're reclaiming term and we're [ __ ] yeah taking ownership of it who who's the one out of the two
02:41:18
Andrew Wilsonthat love B at the St and women do that no dude I think it's that's I think I think that's a good point that she's making on the love bombing but what I've noticed is that there's a a difference
02:41:31
Andrew Wilsonin age a distinction in age so I think when women are in their 20s and uh late teens definitely men seem to be love bombing the [ __ ] out of them but then in the 30s 40s that role seems to reverse quite a bit as the physical as the
02:41:44
Lucyphysical characteristics of the woman deteriorate okay H interesting I think that it's like really also I think that human in general is something that should be really much brought up
02:41:57
Lucyright now because there's a lot of evil women that I know who I think are [ __ ] horrible and toxic and have all these things wrong with them but it doesn't mean that I hate all women same the reason that I think there's a lot of evil horrible and toxic men that I know
02:42:08
Lucybut I don't hate all men I think it's like kind of um it's a little bit cheap to to to limit a a generalization about about an entire race of people just
02:42:17
Lucybecause one or two or hundred of them are a certain way well you know what okay maybe not race sorry if I use the wrong terminology but you understand what I mean one one gender you know and
02:42:29
Andrew Wilsonthat's why I like I don't like to generalize I think it's not good I think I think you're correct and then in another sense not correct so where I think you're correct is yeah I think it's probably unfair to say something like if a guy says all women are
02:42:40
Andrew Wilsoninsufferable [ __ ] it seems totally unfair to me right but if you if you break it down in demographics right and you're like most West w women are entitled that seems like it's a fair
02:42:52
Andrew Wilsonstatement now you're not disparaging all women what you're doing is you're giving a category you're showing the category you're showing how most women who fit in this category meet this criteria and so it's like uh I think that those are fair
02:43:04
Lucystatements I just want to know who put that category there it's almost like listen like really quick I think that women are put into a box it is you are like like the way that the questions you're asking me do you think you're going to be more beautiful in 10 years
02:43:16
LucyEtc women are put into a box of beauty so they don't prioritize other things about themselves so the only thing that is important to themselves is how they look and I think that that is extremely damaging I think I I really do I think
02:43:28
Lucythat it is it is something that that needs to change but I think it's also so unfortunate that that we are put into this box of if you're beautiful you're are important and if you're not then you're not important and then when when women are obsessed with their beauty
02:43:41
Lucywe're called shallow we're called all these words we're called like you know and it's like well who put us there you know like we we didn't we didn't ask for this we didn't sign up for this last time I checked I I personally want to be a professional do I like to look beautiful as well sure but that's not my
02:43:54
Lucyonly thing that I care about about myself I I have so many things that I value more than just that so that's why when me go back to that topic about what men think of me I don't care men can think that about any other woman I don't
02:44:05
Lucycare if a men thinks I'm smart sure do I think that I'm smart yes you know what I mean like I okay I ended that kind of weird but I started on the right note if that makes sense thank you you're fine yeah just wanted to put that other there
02:44:16
Lucybecause I I agree with with what you're saying that these are these are um patterns that we do recognize especially in this 21st century where the internet is so incredibly important into our daily lives and it is incredibly impactful girls growing up right now
02:44:30
Lucythey're seeing all these really really beautiful women on their for you pages on their Instagrams and they're thinking well I have to be like that but they're not seeing the doctors they're not seeing the lawyers they're not seeing the the activists they're just seeing the beautiful woman all the beautiful
02:44:42
Lucydoctors or the beautiful doctors which is a thing too you can be beautiful and be successful but like yeah thank you for bringing that up as well like I I just wanted to make that very clear cuz like it's almost like we're putting all of this pressure on what it's like to be
02:44:54
Brian Atlasbeautiful when most of us didn't choose this we're born we were born this way thank you for that okay Lucas you two oh my God Lucas
02:45:05
Brian Atlastry to be a little more tactful man um two brain idiot the N the 90% numberers for the average woman look it up you ratchet it's science yes Mother wife
02:45:15
Brian Atlasdaughter son like me it's objective but I did say some some variability okay Lucas I hope your mom likes you a little bit more now although to be fair actually let me walk that back you did say a pretty egregious thing to Lucas no
02:45:28
LucyI didn't you said something about his his I said his I I said I hope that his mom doesn't like him and I still that's okay I think he I think he'll keep actually on Lucas's side I think that you should hear dude some of the things
02:45:40
Brian Atlasthat these guys have been saying to us today are you kidding what you about she said that she hold on she said that she hopes he was talking sorry finish finish finish no in your own words what did you
02:45:51
Lucysay to Lucas oh no I I know what I said to Lucas what Lucas said to us is that woman lose their their what was it he said something about fertility and it's like well fertility is not the most important thing not everyone wants to have kids these four women right here so
02:46:04
Lucythat they don't really want to have kids we didn't give a [ __ ] what men think yeah so so they're trying to school us on something that they don't even have an opinion on so I said I hope your mom doesn't like you because I because I [ __ ] said that I don't care I'll stand by
02:46:17
Lucyit stop stop so no if I if I carried a woman if I carried a baby in my womb for 9 months and it came out and in 20 years it started saying a bunch of [ __ ] about woman's fertility what what would actually what what's wrong with that I
02:46:31
Brian Atlasthink that they don't get an opinion because they're not a woman oh okay hold on a couple things wait wait hold on hold on hold on so okay the first thing is is that I think your body my choice
02:46:42
Lucyby the way you would say that it's okay Andrew we'll next no we won't we still love Andrew that sounds like a charge ready to happen if it's your let's be let's be nice no no no we're trying to have a productive conversation here last
02:46:55
Brian Atlastime I checked it's impossible yeah trying to all right so a couple things here I think perhaps even though Lucas you found what he said objectionable or maybe he insulted you first to some
02:47:06
Brian Atlasdegree let me apologize to some degree sorry there's a degree of proportionality that is Justified for example you know let's say somebody pokes you that's wrong somebody shouldn't poke you I give fck does it
02:47:19
Lucydoes it give you pretext to murder them probably not right oh I'm sorry but me saying that to Lucas was not a murder oh my God you not if had you not
02:47:28
Brian Atlasyeah do you do you know what an analogy is I'm trying to explain trying to AR know what an analogy is that was so condescending can you stop [ __ ]
02:47:38
Brian Atlasautism out or whatever the [ __ ] you're doing I'm poking no stop um okay so I'm using an example to try to articulate the point no you did not literally
02:47:49
Brian Atlasmurder Lucas now that's not what I meant that's not what I meant now yeah and it's not what I meant either so now that we' God damn no let him finish let him
02:47:59
Brian Atlasfinish oh I'm just laughing um now you said that men aren't allowed to have a position I said men shouldn't on what have a position on
02:48:10
Brian Atlasanything about women's fertility why because it's the woman's like decision to have a child whenever she wants to have the child hold on you need to better articulate you need a better so
02:48:22
Lucymen can't have opinions on this no no no no no I I said that that if a woman wants to have a kid at 35 why does that make her like like like what did that statistic do like what what what prevalence was that St making the claim
02:48:34
Brian Atlasthat women are barred from having children he was just pointing out an objective fact right okay to that you said men should not even be able to have
02:48:44
Lucya conversation whoo who whoa that's you think I'm representing what you said I think you completely misrepresenting you said men are not allowed to have uh an opinion on I think I think that I I made a joke and I said I hope your mom doesn't like you and we've been doing a
02:48:57
Lucylot of satire tonight because I know that you and Andrew have both been doing a lot of that throw out a statement No but and then just be like oh it's a show no I do I do think that men should not have opinions about what happens with a woman's body including growing a child I
02:49:10
Lucydo think that because they don't have any because what all other than the sperm they have no they don't grow the baby themselves they're not the ones who are men can have children until they are literally on their deathbed women only
02:49:21
Brian Atlashave a certain amount of time sure through mental menopause let me just go ahead and Grant to you that in the scenario I'm about to give you this is a man who's not even involved in the woman's life doesn't even know her
02:49:33
Brian Atlasexplain to me why the man can't have an opinion on for example the fact the fact that women uh have a kind of narrow fertility window and I'll even bring it here because I think this is where
02:49:46
Lucyyou're going why can't men have an opinion on abortion no I okay I would like to respond to both of those points I I think that you are taking it as a I don't think that men should have opinion at all and I think it's because you're they're using it in a condescending way
02:49:59
Lucyto the words that came out of your mouth absolutely I think that I think that we're like I don't want this to get aggressive here because I'm really not trying to be so I I think that what I was trying to say is that I don't I think that the way that it was worded
02:50:11
Lucywas really kind of put pushing a point that there is that there is a point where a woman is not valuable anymore and that is what that statistic was trying to give me I don't think no please just let me finish because if you if I'm going to let you finish like
02:50:23
Brian Atlasplease just allow me to but I'm the host so okay sure goad I like to so that's okay so here's the issue here's the issue is is that so you made you're you're bringing it back to what he said
02:50:35
Brian AtlasI'll just I'll just go ahead and Grant that you think what he said is totally objectionable you then made a you then made a statement saying men should I'm kind of paraphrasing here men should not
02:50:47
Brian Atlashave opinions on this on a woman's body and what happens in it okay so that is your position absolutely I stand by that you're not joking not a joke okay so let's explore that when you say men are
02:50:57
Lucynot allowed to have an opinion on these topics why I think that you allowed to have a um I think that you are allowed to study facts I think that there's lots of male doctors who study fertility and
02:51:10
Lucythat's a very different thing but when it comes to some random guy who really doesn't know a whole lot about the subject and he's over here telling me that that that my value decreases after 35 cuz I can't have a kid anymore like
02:51:21
Lucythat just like just reads rubs me the wrong way I guess well okay so and if I'm reading and no no please because if I if I interpreted that wrong then I will 100% say that like I will be wrong that's okay I'm okay with being that's
02:51:34
Brian Atlastotally cool let's just say he's in favor of killing puppies I don't give a [ __ ] what he said I'm exploring your claim now which was and here I'll just bring it to the ultimate conclusion is your position that men should not have
02:51:47
Lucyan opinion on abortion uh yes absolutely okay why because the man isn't the one who is deciding whether or not to grow the child the man doesn't have any really a after the
02:51:58
Lucyinsemination the man has no responsibility to care for that child to raise that child or to not do those things wored oh if he wants to be a abely no no no if that's if that's a