2 OBNOXIOUS Rude Girls KICKED OUT! 1 RAGE QUIT?! The MOST Beautiful Panel EVER??? | Dating Talk #226

Date: 2025-02-05

Duration: 7h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

FForever the Rebel >

NNatalie (Oxnard PA)>

YYamile Fuentes >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rebel (Forever the Rebel)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Aana(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_08Natalie(guest)

SPEAKER_09Roxanna(guest)

SPEAKER_10Elena(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ava(guest)

SPEAKER_12Yamile (Yams) Fuentes(guest)

SPEAKER_13Cali(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyNatalie refuses to take shoes off without explanation. Brian argues this shows lack of submission. Debate about whether asking "why" reflects deeper character.

“"Why do I have to take my shoes off?" — Natalie questions studio rule, sparking submission debate”

QuoteElena (Ukrainian) complains about Aana's behavior, says she flagged it much earlier.

“Elena to Brian after Aana episode: "I asked long time ago to control the situation but you didn't"”

QuoteElena says men in America are afraid to pursue women because of feminism/false accusation fears. Contrasts with Ukraine where men actively pursue.

“"In my country if a man likes a woman he will do a lot of stuff to get her. Here man is afraid to do anything."”

ControversyBrian calls out Elena for being in Miami clubs while Ukrainian men die in war. Elena defends herself. Moment of tension.

“Brian points at Elena: "She's in the club in Miami while her countrymen are being slaughtered"”

QuoteJust before being kicked out, Aana says "you're a f***ing weird Brian, considering that you asked somebody on a date, weirdo"

“"You're a f***ing weird Brian, considering that you asked somebody on a date, weirdo"”

OtherAfter repeated interruptions, screaming, name-calling (N-word), and refusal to tone down, Brian kicks Aana out. She refuses to leave, finally exits calling Brian "weirdo" and claiming he asked her on a date. WALKOFF/KICKOUT.

“"Kindly get up and leave" — Aana kicked out after multiple warnings; left saying "I did nothing wrong"”

ControversyRatings round — Brian and Jake rate themselves low (5-6), panel gives themselves 9-10. Viewer chat rates nobody above a 5. Brian disputes their self-ratings.

“Ratings round: panel rates themselves 9-10; Brian says none above a 5; "most delusional panel ever"”

QuoteBrian declares this the most beautiful panel the show has ever had after ratings round.

“"I just want to say this is by their own rating the most beautiful panel we have ever had"”

OtherBrian announces show is going to one show per week starting March, citing 12 flakes on this episode and back pain.

“Big announcement: show going down to one episode per week (Sundays) starting March 2025”

OtherElena tells story of billionaire date who screamed "shut up" during car rally then gave her 5 minutes in the pantry for dinner.

“Elena's billionaire date story — "shut up!" then 5 minutes to grab food from pantry”

ControversyYamile refuses to answer questions repeatedly, says "no comment" citing her contract. Brian accuses her of malicious compliance and breach of contract. Leads to her removal.

“Yamile: "no comment / it's my freedom of speech" — Brian: "you're in breach of contract"”

OtherYamile (Yams) asked to leave for repeatedly refusing to answer questions, citing "no comment" and contract. Exits calmly after Brian invokes breach of contract. KICKOUT/TROLL.

“Yamile asked to leave for bad-faith trolling — "no comment" to every question”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces show and all guests go around the table: Rebel, Roxanna, Elena, Aana, Natalie, Cali, Ava, Yamile, and Jake. Each shares name, age, location, occupation, education, and sings a bit. Multiple guests are musicians/singers.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares how long they have been single and their longest relationship. Rebel (bisexual, 1yr single), Roxanna (20yr marriage, now new love of her life), Elena (3yrs single, 100+ dates in America with almost no callbacks), Aana (6mo relationship), Natalie (single since 2019), Cali (6mo single after 2.5yr relationship), Ava (4 weeks single, two 3yr relationships).

Shoes Rule / Submission Debate

Brian asks Natalie to remove shoes; she questions why. Evolves into a long debate about whether asking why = lack of submission, whether submission is conditional or unconditional, and whether a woman's behavior in small situations reflects her relationship behavior.

Job Interview Hypothetical

Jake poses hypothetical: if the man of your dreams was interviewing you, how would you sell yourself? Panel largely answers with "just be myself" — Jake and Brian point out none of them articulated what they would bring to his life.

Men vs Women Oppression Debate

Extended debate about whether men or women are more oppressed. Topics include the draft, Ukraine war, domestic violence laws, legal system bias, Vietnam War, selective service. Elena (Ukrainian) called out for being in Miami clubs while Ukrainian men die in war.

Mansplaining / Racial Oppression Discussion

Discussion about mansplaining as sexist term, Black splaining analogy, power+prejudice definition of racism and sexism. Debate about South Africa and Arab slave trade. Historical slavery discussions.

Aana Kicked Out — Confrontation

After repeated interruptions and screaming, Brian asks Aana to leave. She refuses initially, calls him names, accuses him of racism. Finally leaves while Rebel and Yamile debate whether to stay. Things calm significantly after she exits.

Ratings Round — Panel Rates Themselves

Gorlock the Destroyer asks panel to rate their looks 1–10 (no 7). Most give 9–10. Brian declares this the most beautiful panel ever. Brian gave himself a 6 (adjustable), Jake a 5. Panel rated Brian 7 and Jake 8–9. Elena said she'd be doing them a favor.

Aging and Attractiveness

Brian asks each woman if she will be better looking in 10/20/30 years. Most claim yes indefinitely; Brian is frustrated by lack of honesty. Yamile claims she will look the same at 74 as at 24. Brian offers $5K + free plastic surgery to anyone willing to get age-advancing procedure.

Billionaire Bet

Brian bets any panelist $100,000 if she marries a billionaire within 5 years, she must pay him $10,000 if she does not. Elena verbally accepts the wager. Brian declares them the most delusional panel ever.

Announcement: Going to One Show Per Week

Brian announces the show will go from 2x/week to 1x/week (Sundays only) starting in March due to booking stress (12 flakes for this episode), back pain, and burnout. Plans to return to 2x when things stabilize.

Body Count Discussion

Panel discusses whether body count matters, whether men are insecure to care about it. Goes around the table for everyone's body count. Rebel discloses ~7 (3 guys + ~4 girls). Roxanna says under 10. Others decline to specify.

Man vs Bear in the Forest

Classic dating discourse question: would you rather meet a man or bear in the forest? Most pick man; one picks bear. Discussion about safety and trust.

Should Men Pay on First Dates

Questionnaire item: women should pay 50/50 on first dates. Rebel, Roxanna, and Elena disagree — believe man should pay. Others are okay with 50/50.

Transgender Women Discussion

Debate on whether trans women are women, whether dating a trans woman is straight, autogynephilia, and whether trans athletes in women's sports is fair. Rebel takes tolerant view; Cali (Yamile present) says born male or female is fixed.

Elena's Worst Date Story

Elena shares funny story of a billionaire date who screamed "shut up" at her while watching a car rally, then made her rummage through his pantry for dinner within 5 minutes.

Yamile Kicked Out — Trolling

After Yamile repeatedly says "no comment" to questionnaire items and refuses to engage in good faith, Brian invokes breach of contract and asks her to leave. She exits calmly. Brian deems her a troll/plant.

Feminism Debate

Brian delivers extended monologue about feminism being the source of division between men and women, citing its presence in education/media/government. Rebel defends feminism as pro-women not anti-men. Jake cites feminist academic quotes about destroying the nuclear family.

AI Age Advancement / Gender Swap Fun

Discord creates AI age-advanced photos of all guests. Brian also shows gender-swapped versions of each guest and themselves. Light-hearted segment near end of show.

Transcript

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Calimore important for women or men I think men make it more important for women to have a lower body count because that's not something that I ask men what's your body count so you think it's more important so you think it's more

Jakeimportant for men then yeah I think you guys have hold that more important okay so do you think that a woman who is a virgin would be likely to go for a guy who has more experience or do you think do you think that that's

Caliunrealistic um I think it's more of a cultural thing most people that are waiting for marriage they're also waiting for someone that's also waiting for marriage not necessarily or a religious thing it could be a religious

Jakething yeah I mean I'll I'll tell I'll tell you now my opinion so I don't know what you want me to do I mean I I mean I've dated I've dated virgins before and like they are out there they do exist and it's definitely definitely not

Jakesomething that they'll write you off for if you're not a virgin yourself like a less experienced woman with an experienced man that that's no problem for yeah um I do need to let the chat

TTS/Donationscome in here graffo thank you man tact donated $200 how would you feel if a guy was so rich by his mid-30s that he never had to work again so he chooses to be on

Brian AtlasPermanent Vacation for the rest of his life never returning to the workforce before I have you guys answer this uh graffo I know this came in about 15 minutes ago I do apologize um there was

Brian Atlassome distractions I had to get up from the table uh people making noise in the hallway I had to deal with it so I do apologize I I missed it just kind put a bow on that as well sure I mean I just

Jakefind it really funny that um something that's not unlikely or unrealistic whatsoever is finding a girl who is a virgin I mean there are quite a few virgins out there and you guys will call it out and say it's unrealistic but when these girls are saying they want to date

Brian Atlasa billionaire which is almost statistically impossible no one says anything yeah I and a little bit to their point though I mean I think it is it is the case that

Brian Atlasthere's like rampant promiscuity so I don't think they're totally wrong and so I think they're trying to almost argue sort of our own position

Brian Atlasthat oh okay I like the [ __ ] they're almost arguing our position like women aren't traditional anymore no virtue no

Brian AtlasChastity strumpets through foes it's it it they're not wrong in in saying like it's way harder to find that today yeah

Brian Atlaslike because there's not a lot of it's more likely though than some of the other scenarios we've heard about tonight like being hot as [ __ ] is at a 100 and like yeah yeah but that [ __ ] they're they're not wrong about that on

Jakethat factor that it's it's more difficult these days to find but wrong in the sense that uh the women who are virgins are going to disqualify men who aren't virgins

Brian Atlasthemselves oh Graff I promise we're going to get right into it but uh I wanted to do something with the rating

Brian Atlasthing so um all of you so wait it was eight uh 9 8 10 10 10 10 right so just to be clear um and did y'all they I

Brian Atlasthink they all rated you nine and me seven if I recall maybe he gave me a six I think I gave you both tens yeah so did I six you gave she gave us both tens six and a five I think that one yeah just

Brian Atlasjust to be clear um I think every I think almost all of you I guess except for you and maybe you you you I said so you guys so

Brian Atlasyou're nine and he's a nine is that right mhm okay so um n you a 10 no she said nine n yeah so you like neither one of like you wouldn't be settling for him

Brian Atlasand he wouldn't be settling for you like it's equ it's that would be a fair like matchup mhm okay and then uh you gave yourself a 10 I think you gave me a seven and eight

Brian Atlasyes seven and a nine eight eight yes oh seven and eight so in your view let's get uh fix the [Music]

Brian Atlassplit uh in your view like uh seven and six or what was it seven and eight 7 8

Brian Atlas10 yes you uh you would be settling if if you were to date me or Jake said settling do you know this word settling say another so so you would be settling

Elenafor something that's below you we're below your standard it's okay settle huh it's okay you mean what they date somebody who is a seven not who's like

Jakeless attractive than you so you're a 10 and I'm a eight and he's a seven so if you were dating us we would be looking up and saying wow we're dating a 10 like it would be good for it would be really

Elenagood for us yes because woman should Inspire the man to be better for this God create us period why

Elenanot bro so like you would be doing us a favor not like a favor with the right wise woman men always become rich and

Elenasuccessful was the stupid woman he become poor and he feeling bad this is this is true you want or you don't want wise woman very important very wise

Elenawoman very important of course it looks wise you would be doing us a favor if you're man if it's everybody what you look in you will find it what you search you will find if you search that all if

Elenayou think that all woman is stupid then you will find a stupid woman if you think opposite that you deserve the best woman in the world you will find her too everything is the you think that if somebody was a 5'1 guy who was living in

ElenaUganda and working in a CO mine if he thinks that he's going to marry a Victorious secret supermodel from Sweden he will marry them of course there are many things like this happening in this world everything can happen maybe he

Elenawill find a black oil tomorrow or or I don't know or something else I believe in miracles and I believe that everybody could create his own life whatever he wants and nobody can stop you from at

Elenaleast dreaming and achieve your best it would be very very it would be very stupid to to desire the homeless or stupid men everybody desired to be the best one yes because we need to be to have a

Elenaprogress in this life not degradation you know so everybody deserve and want to have a better Partners than you are to grow together to achieve the goals to

Brian Atlasbe the better um you know what sh I you know if if I got with like a Victoria Secret model she should feel she's I'm

Brian Atlassettling we're settling we are settling we need to if we think that we're settling we're like if we think that we are above it then we are essentially I you know what Jake I

Brian Atlasthink that you know if you find like a beautiful like 21-year-old virgin who's like a 10 out of 10 just whatever your exact type is I do think you would be

Brian Atlaskind of settling for that oh yeah like why stop there just maybe like a herum cuz you deserve it you're a king yeah and if she won't find someone who will and I'm thinking about it hard enough

Jakethat it will it it will happen 10 of

Brian Atlasthem um okay uh oh wait Rebel wait eight you gave me six you gave him what no I gave

Brian Atlasyou seven oh seven and then I gave him eight Callie what it uh 10 was it seven n no I red you guys s oh she didn't I thought she she did I did really okay

Brian Atlasokay what did you say um I said I repeated what y'all said so five and six so like if if you and me um if if we dated it would be a serious downgrade

Brian Atlasyou would be settling I would never date you and I don't want to settle no no I know like that's fine I'm not I'm not offended at all um but you would you would be

Brian Atlassettling like if you and me were dating you would be like settling Five Points like you're at a 10 I'm down here at a five I just want to make sure we're we're on the same

Avapage I would be settling if that were the case but I would never settle no she wouldn't settle she would not settle now I want to ask the chat or

Brian Atlaswhat about Jake would you be settling for Jake too unforunately yes you she would be settling for okay that's cool that's great um now chat I want the chat

Brian Atlasto wait in here it seems like all these women except for her and her who gave the troll 10 answers they they think they they would

Brian Atlasbe settling for for me for Jake do you think that's the case chat do you think they would be settling for

Brian Atlasus or would we be I am not settling for them she you heard it from her first definitely a troll would never say they're not a troll of course uh trolls

Brian Atlasare always honest and they admit up front when they are trolling uh but there's the chat okay let me let this one come through again graffito I do apologize graffito tact donated

TTS/Donations$200 how would you feel if a guy was so rich by his mid-30s that he never had to work again so he chooses to be on Permanent Vacation for the rest of his life never returning to the workforce yo

Brian Atlastag thank you again sorry for the delay on this um go ahead if you want to answer it who cares you you okay Rich 35 Rich never wants to

Brian Atlaswork again cool with it yes or no yeah that's fine yes of course okay are you able to scoot your mic a little more that way and Scoot it to the edge of the table I need you to Center up your mic so it's kind of like center with you uh what about

Avayou he's living his life why would I care okay yeah take me on vacation let's go congratulations what question was that

TTS/Donationsgenuinely a congratulations congrats yeah yep okay Jason Castle donated $200 just because you are all $

TTS/Donations34s doesn't mean all women are 304s Brian has a much higher chance of getting a virgin than you delusional women getting a billionaire I am not a 30

Brian Atlasor4 oh we were talking about body count so I guess um just show of hands who who here thinks uh bodyc count matters

Brian Atlasmatter some degree yeah let's uh let's go around the table like and whatever that girl who smashed 100 men in a

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)day like no like n That Matters like it matters how old you is like I ain't going to lie cuz like I'm body positive but you I'm not smashing the girl that smash 100 men in a day I'm not doing

Brian Atlasthat so it matters on some level yeah sure oh wrath by the way I apologize for some reason my streamlabs isn't showing this you gifted I believe 20 20 Subs about 20 minutes ago but it

Brian Atlasfor some reason it bugged out but wrath PSA thank you for the gifted Subs on Twitch uh so going I guess going around the table what's everybody's body count going starting wait

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)Rebel let me let me think about it go ahead you first you think let me think about it what's your body count you go first oh my God why it does it matter

Roxannathat's how you responded I got to add it up well for me it's at least um wait body count is that like babies coming

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)out of it body count is size three babies body count is uh how many men you've had carnal knowledge with um that's the first carinal knowledge of we

Brian Atlasdoing men and women we doing everybody men and women uh break it break it down break it down okay go ahead y'all go ahead she's you got a l do you who has a list I'm not going to ask to see it but

Brian Atlasjust who has a list in their phone I don't have of the bodies anybody okay all right uh body count no I can't say jeez but I I thought it's wrong for like men to care about body count and they're insecure if they do care about it so

Roxannalike body count shouldn't matter your business matter it doesn't matter that's what I'm trying to say like man or woman it doesn't matter are you insecure about it that part I'm not no oh then I mean

Brian Atlasif you're not insecure about it then shouldn't you just be okay revealing it I don't know well no that's private that's my private like sure you don't have to you don't have to reveal that's fine do you want to um how about instead

Roxannaof an actual number do you want to do a range a range oh man we'd like to offer up a range okay less than 10 okay what about you less than five less than

Brian Atlasfive you can give us the actual number you can give a range but actual number is preferable no

Avarange under 10 okay I would disclose this information to a significant other probably not to

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)y'all just on the internet than range no thank you mhm um I don't really care I feel like I think got four guys and like three

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)girls oh I mean you were like hold on let me [ __ ] no cuz I have to remember I had to make sure like what really counts like is fooling around like are we talk counting penetration you got count for seven you had I did have to

Brian Atlascount cuz you w't be remembering all the time by three and that's the real number for all of you um all right hold on we got this graffito tact donated

TTS/Donations$200 really the lack of driver isn't to turn off shouldn't a man work in some capacity even if he is Rich enough to not need to work shouldn't he do something productive not sit on his love

Avauntil he dies working and being productive is different you could still build stuff and then do what you do and not work so

Roxannafor sure sure well if he's doing what he loves it's not work technically right you know okay whatever hobby he might

Brian Atlashave or something sure sure um I mean graffo I don't know I I wonder if uh I mean if you worked so hard though earlier in life to the point that you could retire at 35 or whatever I think

Brian Atlasyou said mid-30s I mean it's kind of like like let's say somebody works uh till they're 65 but they're just doing like a 9-to-5 job and versus

Brian Atlaslike a guy who just grinds in like 20s early 30s and he makes the same amount of money he would have otherwise made or maybe even more by grinding and then

Brian Atlashe's like well I made I made enough money to retire I I don't know if it's a lack of drive you know necessarily but I think there are there are definitely some men

Brian Atlaswho just even if they've I mean like you got to look at people who make who have more than like 5 mil up to billionaires they're good they could ell Elon Musk he could be done like he

Brian Atlasdoesn't he doesn't need a he's got like Millennia of is probably more I'm probably downgrading it of uh generational

Brian Atlaswealth but he's got that drive he wants a trillion he not happy with being a billionaire he wants to be a trillionaire so uh graffo thank you for that question though really appreciate it guys graffo is a longtime supporter I

Brian Atlaswant you guys to put some W's in the chat for graffo tagged he's a uh big supporter of the show so I really appreciate your question man all right we do have uh let's see Rebel can you

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)read this one man I was reading this one already I don't even this looks uh daughters of Eve you believe the lie you will not be

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)equal equ to a man Eve wanted the same she did us no favors you choose according to a fallen nature Jesus Christ The Living Word who oh my God

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)this is terrible who is all the father is expressed perfectly is our only hope yo John got Pastors in the chat John I really appreciate your Super Chat

Brian Atlasman guys W's in the chat for John for his very generous Super Chat John thank you so much man L's in the chat joh why wait why in the chat cuz what is you talking about you are you like

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)anti-religion or something or why I'm anti- misogyny you talking about will never be equal to a man what okay all right a a man that FES

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)a woman is a good thing it says that in the Bible too Mr religious John oh [ __ ] it says that theological debate coming we would men wouldn't be here without no woman what do you mean mhm all right uh

Brian Atlasokay we're going to get back into the questionnaire here uh let's see let's see if there's any disagreements on two I don't think so no we have a couple excuse me couple disagreements on three

Brian Atlaswomen should pay 5050 on first dates Rebel you disagree Roxanna you disagree Alena you disagree that's it for those you three

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)here uh you think men should pay for first aides whoever ask who out that's all because I play disagree but it's whoever who has who out your position I think the man should pay your position

Brian Atlasman should pay man should pay uh and the other girls here maybe that's not your position but are you okay with it being their position like you don't think it's sexist like you think no they can have

Avathat opinion like nothing wrong with it I think a man should pay but if he wants to go 5050 I would understand that it's the first day we just met so they don't know what's up um definitely could you

Brian Atlascool you cool with their position yeah cool with their position okay um I want to explore a couple sh right so as long as you guys are okay with uh men should

Brian Atlaspay uh are you guys fine with like the following should statement should women cook and clean yes I think it's a more so a shared

Brian Atlasresponsibility I don't mind cooking and cleaning but I'm not a maid should people cook and clean I think it's like no cooking like in the context of a relationship she should do the cooking

Brian Atlasand the cleaning in the same way that you guys so is he paying all the bills sure cuz I feel like that's a job well [ __ ] hell yeah clean up the okay

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)fine uh how about this women should be virgins or women should have low body counts are you guys fine with that should statement too well men should too then no should be actually don't

Brian Atlasdisagree said that like who said women should be a virgin who said that I just did as a question though so no no answer don't nobody agree agree with that okay

Jakeall right but on the inverse you would say then that women should have sex with multiple men before marriage but who's saying should like what who's saying what's right and wrong yeah but it's

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)like talking in an idealistic sense no no should ideals are these should women should be whatever they want to be do you think that there is an

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)ideal do we have to go back to gang bang it's like everybody you know everybody should drink a lot of water should you know what I'm saying there

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)certain things I don't know no ideal there's no

Caliideal like should men have a low body count so yes be virgins yes okay I should do you think the women should as well

Elenathen if that's your opinion that's your opinion I honestly everybody kind answer a question M well I think everybody want different things and everybody deserve

Elenadifferent things so uh one time in my life I dreamed to be virgin and find a virgin man and guess what it happened and we was dating together two years it was very very good relationship and um

Elenayes when I met him he was very simple guy after two years living with me he um become much more Rich he changed your car like he become very good so every

Elenadreams come true but now I don't dream to have a virgin so it's like different I had the that time of my life now it's another uh question here for Rebel um you said that

Brian Atlasin here's the statement a man dating a transgender woman is not straight you disagree with the statement um why is that transwoman is a woman so is a trans woman if you're if if you're trans

Brian Atlaspartner and they look like a woman you're attracted to that you know what I'm saying then yeah well I mean I agree that men can be tricked um but do are

Brian Atlastransgender women female yeah I I guess well just for the sake of this conversation I'm going to go ahead and Grant that this isn't actually my position but that

Brian Atlastransgender women are women but so we're talking about gender but now I'm talking about sex are transgender women female female like a woman and females

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)do different things yeah right so like female means you have certain type of chromosomes you have a reproduction system and everything like that born a certain way so I feel like trans women are women but but you think they're

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)female sex and gender are two different things though that's that's the thing so like I guess so are transgender women male that's such a hard question n

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)they're not male either though so what I thought you meant they had certain chromosomes they do they do so I like they're women but they're not female that's Wom with their males they're

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)they're women trans women are women because if you look at a trans wom n times out of 10 she's the baddest [ __ ] you ever seen you know say purposes the things that take to be a woman but if you're going off of excuse me look hey

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)yo y'all ain't seen no pretty trans women you just said nine times out of 10 that the baddest women nine times out of 10 because they have to do more than the regular women I me females are typically the baddest they're

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)bad like I look they have to do more to comp say for you guys' doubt honestly as serious question though as women you guys are all women right how does it

Jakemake you feel to hear that sort of thing where you say that dudes who dress up as women are the most beautiful women would you agree with that I would hate that

Roxannaand I hate when they put a man a transgender man like like like there's still a man and they put him on like a

Roxannafashion magazine and like as a woman or like they they um woman of the year yeah like dude you're not a woman you're a

Calidude you know lipstick um so is everybody here transphobic not transphobic I just feel like it's insulting to say that a man could be a woman that's like blackace like you're

Jakedressing up as a woman so now you're a woman all of a sudden exactly me and call to be honest though she's she's exactly right it's a it's a perfect logical um logical analogy there you

Brian Atlaswomen should be offended I just don't subscribe to that M but Jake actually made like a really good point like the the comment you said about how like trans women are some of the baddest what

Brian Atlaswas the baddest looking bad they look the baddest or whatever I'm not saying that but they just they look good they make sure they look good but you ladies got to keep a little something for yourself

Brian Atlaslike you can't give like hottest woman to a trans like men are better than y'all at being hot come on you can't not NE that's not what I meant when I said that

Brian Atlasguys that's not what I me Men We Men yo the patriarchy wins again we men are are better at being hot women right we're better in everything we're better than we're better we're beating you guys at the boxing and the women's Olympics

Brian Atlaswomen's weightlifting women's Beauty contests yo yo guys W's in the chat for for men being better at being hot women

Brian Atlasthan than women just W's in the chat I don't know that's kind of crazy but okay um but like so how about really quick on this but I'm a little confused here because you said you did make a differentiation between gender and sex

Brian Atlasright but so I'm but then I'm asking like is a transgender woman female or is she male she's a woman yeah but she's a woman I 100% agree with you is she male or

Brian Atlasfemale she's a woman no you're no no no you're 100% right she's a woman but is she female or male she would be male Legally Legally now in this country they

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)Chang the definition of woman what do you mean like since when he's granting it for the sake of for the sake ofb this is crazy and then it's like what do you say about somebody that has both cuz there's people with multiple things down there so what do you say what what is a

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)you said it's different female and woman what what is a woman and what is a female a woman is someone who takes on the attributes of femininity and uh identifies as being a woman so if I wore

Calia dress and wore this wig and some lipstick and I said you I'm a woman you would believe me no you'd be a man in a wig and a dress on if you were consistent if you were consistent that's what you really want to do when you were making a transition but tomorrow if I

Jakecame to and I said look like that that chat we had last night made me realize a few things about myself and I and I had the wig on and I said I'm a woman you would you would grant me that status I I would if you really meant that yeah hell

Jakeyeah how do you know how can you Asain if I mean it or not is we'll see what you do if you're consistent or not like okay what about this how about if I said to you if I came to you in tomorrow and then 6 months later as well and I've been doing it the whole time but I said

Jakelook Rebel truth is it just really turns me on if I'm if I'm dressing like a woman you just sound like a drag queen no no but if I said that to you and I said look I don't it's it's just that it really turns me on to like someone's

Jakegoing to clip this if I clip it and ship it clip it and ship it wait what if some if I said that to you uhhuh and I was like look the truth is that that's that's just how I feel and it just gets me off like

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)would you it turns you on dressing as a woman that's what it is yeah would you say that I'm a woman no you're a ja you're a drag queen you you just want to do this or you're some type of so you're

Jaketrying to acain Mo transvest transvest well what it's actually called is it's a it's a it's a condition called autophilia and it's actually a large I don't know how much of the portion but a lot of men who dress up like women it's

Jakebecause it turns them on what's that movie BR where the guy dresses up like the woman and he's got autog gilar and he has the person in the hole Hannibal oh I did not know that Silence of the

Jakeland put the lotion in the basket yeah so that dude has autophilia and he dresses yeah yeah I've never heard of that like there was a case of a guy in Australia his name is Lee something or

Jakeother and he was a football player and then um he got caught one night in like the roughest part of Melbourne dressing like a woman with and he had all this like meth on him and stuff he'd been smoking meth for days and uh came out

Jakethat like he used to crossdress for like a sexual fetish and then like even after everything after all of this drama of him being caught with these drugs and doing these weird things he just came out and goes you know what guys I'm trans and then

Jakeliterally a few months later he was on the cover of woman's weekly it dressed like a woman and uh they were like all celebrating him so that's like sort of the that when you when you distort what a woman is

Jakelike that and then in this conversation it's kind of the conclusion of it is that if you're going to be tolerant you kind of have to be tolerant all the way with it there is there is new Nu H to it I feel like some people take advantage

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)of people's open-mindedness and like I'm not really trans I just like to dress up and they don't identifyed correctly but I feel like there is some people that truly feel that they were born in the wrong body and we should make space for

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)them for that and you're not gay for being attracted to somebody that presents themselves as feminine you're only gay if you like men you do you think that those people need

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)help dang you like that yeah that's a mental illness something you need to talk through and figure me personally sometimes I wake up feeling I'm the man and I feel like I'm the girl I'm that [ __ ] too I feel like I'm that [ __ ] I'm

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)that [ __ ] too and I feel like that too that's me personally being androgenous and stuff I feel like I'm both sometimes not saying I don't I don't claim to be not binary what does it feel like to be

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)a man if you say you feel like a man sometimes it feels it feels dominant it feels like you're in control it feels like you're taking care of the other people around you like I have just a mom and a sister that's all I have to live

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)with so I have I you know take care of them make sure they're good like you know what I'm saying provide financially for the people around me it feels it's Indescribable but I'm describing it like well I think it's interesting because what you're describing right now is

Jakedefinitely a masculine characteristic that would typically be associated with masculine which is providing for people around you but still you can be a female and you can be a woman and you can provide for people around you wouldn't necessarily make you a man so what what

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)about what you do is makes you a man though a man like so for me personally I don't identify as nonbinary or nothing like that like I believe I'm a woman and stuff like that but I can understand how some people might feel differently and

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)stuff when I was younger I told my mom I wanted to be a boy I told her that but I didn't know what I was talking about at that time I had to grow into it but now that I'm here now I can see why something makes you if you felt like

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)this a whole life like I've been tomboyish my whole life and somebody else that's been going through all that when they realize like actually I don't like being feminine at all I don't like being on the feminine side of it and I

Jakewant to become a man it's possible like I just feel like it's and when you say that um you think that they're transphobic for for the beliefs what what exactly do you mean by transphobic because that that term some stumble like

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)when people say it like that it kind of confuses me a little bit what what does it mean it just means like you're prejudice or you don't believe like that's it's the same thing as being homophobic like you don't believe in somebody's identification like you don't

Calibelieve that it's valid that's what it is like I believe were either born male or female and you can't change that damn you're born like that genetics when you die they're not going to be like oh I'm pretty sure that he called himself a

Califemale like no they're going to look at your bone structure and you are a man if that's what you were born as or a woman our bones look different we're genetically different M you could you could actually dig up the bones a

Jakethousand years later and you could still tell what they were yeah I I completely understand that but this is the point like I get that you're you're you're think or you from your perspective it's coming from a place of Tolerance right like you think that people should be

Jakeable to actualize and they should be able to you know identify as whatever but do you see how actually if you take a small segment of the population like people who would identify as as transgender and you say all right

Jakeeverybody else has to be super duper accepting of this do you get why there's also like that would then have a big impact on a large percentage of the population who a have to lie about it

Jakeand B women have to get like dominated in sports and women have to accept that like these men in their bathrooms are women and then do you also accept that

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)these people who identify this way often times need therapy or need some sort of help I accept that I feel like everybody needs therapy and there definitely should be stipulations to it you can't just overnight decide that you want to be a woman and be allowed into the

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)woman's bathroom and stuff like that there's nuances to it and then what about the people that have both there's literally somebody like I literally was just watching it on the internet the other day a woman that she looks like a

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)woman she has breast and everything like that but she has both like what do we what do we call them like afrodite rare it's very rare but also

Jakebut also even in those cases in the most extreme cases you can you can still you still are one or the other you might have a you might have a micr penis or you might have like a clitoris that looks like a penis or you might even

Jakehave both that has happened but nobody can ever impregnate themselves right so you either have the reproductive uh the reproductive means of a of a male or a female so you can never have both you

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)know everybody got different perspectives but I sometimes waking up feel like like I'm that man today I'm the [ __ ] I'm that [ __ ] today and you know what I'm saying and I move as such and I dress as such and then the next

TTS/Donationsday I might feel like I'm I'm super feminine it's like it just depends so like I'm not I don't identify but donated $200 the notion that a cut up and

TTS/Donationsflipped inside out PP feels like a real vaja A J strains incredulity I refuse to collect any firsthand data on the phenomenon though so I'll remain

Brian Atlasunconvinced yo graffo tag thank you so much for the uh TTS man you're [ __ ] Legend tonight thank you so much dude guys W's in the chaffer graffo like I said also already longtime supporter

Brian Atlashe's a legend he's a here He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer he is a Pioneer yo thank you so much man and uh do really appreciate apprciate it I guess not to linger too long on this

Brian Atlasright but again I mean I would like you acknowledge that there's a difference between sex and gender uh is a transgender woman female or

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)male they're male we're talking male sex if we're talking sex we're talking sex versus gender is so if a male and a male are having sex how could it never be

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)straight it's not cuz what were you attracted to it's about being gay is about your attraction were you attracted to the masculinity were you attracted to the feminine but I mean there's

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)masculine um there's masculine straight women right it's like if you if you f a girl in a ass is that gay no no okay it's the same thing like if you f a guy in the ass trans woman has a ass the

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)trans woman has a ass you thought she was a pretty girl yeah but if if there's a dick there or even if there's not a dick there yeah that would be no you can't push that way to the side I'm not going to get into the

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)intricacies of how you have sex with a trans woman but that don't it's what you were attracted to were you like I mean when you have first seen them like you can set your boundaries you be like oh now that I know you're a trans I'm not going to be with you you can set that

Brian Atlasboundary but if you originally were you know what I'm saying and you get into it and but you know and but if yeah if you if you like they Bamboozled you and like looked like a woman but like whether there's a penis there or

Brian Atlasnot if you know that they're trans and then you proceed to have sex with them that would not be straight that would be gay no yes unfortunately homosexuality means

Brian Atlasbeing attracted to someone of the same sex it it pertains to like sex like that's why we talk we we talk we say opposite sex or same seex attraction homosexuality is same seex attraction

Brian Atlaslike for example if you saw two males you don't know their gender identity you saw two males how about this you saw a

Brian Atlasmale who was well you saw a male sing the D of another male you don't know the gender identity and they both they're one doesn't like look isn't like

Brian Atlasdressing up as a woman doesn't look trans like they just look like dudes like they look like men and you saw them sing the D of the of the dude like would that do you think that would be gay or straight not as gay but hold wait wait

Brian Atlasone more question one more I'll let you just one more question would but then while the the while the the dude who's

Brian Atlasreceiving the BJ if he's all like if he says um if he says oh hey hey over there Rebel um I identify as a woman does it

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)then in the middle of the sex act does it then become straight yes but it also no yeah it do it do to me it do yes but okay what if okay you got a trans women what if they

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)go all the way with the surgery and get they thing cut off and they get a uh [ __ ] imp no listen no listen I answered that question I answered them now let me answer my question if if if it was a

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)trans woman and they already and they got a coochie right in and you couldn't even see coochi though could you is that gay or not cuz there's no w c in the

Brian Atlaschat over here W it's like saying a a a realiz Kelly voted for Trump I didn't know you were Trump vote until now w w Kelly in the chat for voting Forum she's actually like guys she told me this

Brian Atlasbefore the show she's like you know how there's like the blacks for Trump she actually organized yeah with all this transphobia here is giving that she brought she gave me this hat Bro Look at she gave me the she gave

Jakeme this hat no we appreciate that [ __ ] we appreciate that [ __ ] the Hat we appreciate whatever I do um wait so um what's going on back there is what's

Brian Atlasgoing on back there no if this to wash my hands no comment you're you're waiting to wash your hands yeah you you yeah no comment I mean you've been back there for like I

Brian Atlas15 20 minutes or something you are you guys coming back to the table or yeah she's going to go wash her hands now and then she's going to come back and play the fifth even though she was back there just whatever okay all right um and you

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)said if it's coochie or real like is a fleshlight coochie it's still it's still it's still valid like it's like saying like you know what I'm saying it's still valid a coochie is a coochie right right a flashlight is not a coochie a

Jakeflashlight is a flashlight right and if anybody ever says man I got some coochie last night I'm okay like tell me about it he's like yeah just grab that

Brian AtlasFleshlight I'd be like brother that's uh Pocket [ __ ] yeah it's not it have you seen Blue Mountain State there's a great episode look trans women is women all

Brian Atlasright we're going to get into our next thing here so we have uh Rebel the statement is possible to be sexist towards men you

Brian Atlasdisagree uh let's see oh the and then we have uh no comment over here disagrees but she's not here at the

Brian Atlastable so why don't we start with uh rebel I guess um why do you think it is impossible or not possible to be sexist towards men oppressor and oppress that's

Jakeit there you go oppressor and oppress so you think so you think that basically if if somebody is going to be oppressive towards somebody and sexism would be oppressive

Jakeyou think that has to be a power Dynamic there yeah it's the power Dynamic right okay so just say hypothetically um there was a land in which it was just run by

Jakewomen right mhm M it's a full-on matriarchy um Amazonia just women right and then a man comes in and they are all whipping him and throwing dirty rotten

Jaketomatoes at him and making him walk through the middle of the street and they're all saying shame and they're saying we're doing this because you're a man and for no other reason would that be sexist yes in the hypothetical world

Brian Atlasthat you're made it up so it is possible to be sexist towards men I mean possible it's possible to fly in a in a hypothetical situation I have a different hypothetical that might be

Brian Atlashave possibly have become more realistic uh let's say Camala Harris did you vote for Camala team Harris period so let's say Camala Harris let's say Camala

Brian AtlasHarris it was cheated by the way he lost let's say not a let's say Camala did that became president uh would you agree that the

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)the president of the United States is possibly the most powerful person in the world okay yeah I guess not really but yeah sure for your argument I'll give

Brian Atlasyou that okay so let's say Camala Harris uh she did not want to hire a

Brian Atlasuh a man for he was applying to be janitor of the White House M and she didn't want to hire him because he was a man she discriminated against him

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)because he was a man and she wanted to hire a female janitor um do you think that in this instance that would be sexist no only because she probably had to experience you know how hard it is for

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)her to become president she didn't even become president so it's like for her to even get there for her to even get there she was oppressed to like and she's a black woman so it's just like she can't

JakeIndian so hold on okay so and she had do she black or something there's no black but yeah anyways she colored whatever uh or she got I thought she's part black

Brian Atlasshe got a black dead right n um Candace Owens did the whole thing whatever it's not material to the conversation um so okay so Kamal Harris uh just can you

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)define your like what is your definition of sexism it's um discrimination on a gender from a position of power power so like I've heard this definition of

Brian Atlasracism tell me if you agree with it so racism equals Prejudice plus power is that your definition of racism yeah and so with a similar definition of

Brian Atlassexism uh pre I mean sexism Prejudice plus power and your position is is that women don't have power men do have the power therefore maybe you can be you can

Brian Atlasuh be bigoted or discriminate towards men but you can't be sexist towards men is that fair and the same would apply uh like between white and black Dynamics like uh black people can't be uh racist

Brian Atlastowards white people because uh white people have the power in the society black people don't and so because there's no Prejudice plus power there might be Prejudice but there's no power black people can't be racist towards white people is that a fair

Brian Atlascharacterization y okay so just going back to the thing though um I think I've actually met your own definition though of I don't agree with your definition of

Brian Atlassexism equals Prejudice plus power but I've in the example I gave I actually met your definition so Cala Harris has power and she's prejudiced towards a man

Brian Atlasshe has more power than that specific man she has more power than in fact 99.99% of men in the country she also has systemic power too if we want to take it a step further because she's the

Brian Atlasleader of the executive branch of the United States government which one the United States of America is the most powerful country in the world the executive branch is arguably the most powerful branch of the government I mean we could have debates over that kind of

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)not Material though and then uh she's the leader of it so she has power she has Prejudice and she has systemic power I feel like it would be sexism if

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)majority of Congress were women if majority of the people in power were women not just her president no but she's she's the president she's the president she has power right she has Prejudice she doesn't want to hire the

Brian Atlasmale uh White House janitor because he's male she wants to hire a female janitor how let how about this uh if Donald Trump didn't want to hire a woman

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)MH because she's a woman would that be sexist yes okay so I'm using I'm using your own I understand no I get it I just

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)think it's just it it comes down to the history and how many majority men in office right now but we talking about Cala Harris yeah I'm talking on the the individual level like how could she like

Brian Atlaswho cares about all that other stuff she has power she has systemic power she has Prejudice I'm meeting your definition can you add to the definition to make it not sexist then it's it's Prejudice like it's another word for it like it's not

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)instead of sexist it's something else it's Prejudice it's like same thing racist it's Prejudice like black I don't know cuz it's like I If I say that when women can be sexist to men then I I can say that black people can be racist to

Brian Atlaswhite people and I don't agree with that well we can get into that but you know what I'm saying that's why that's why I can't say yeah that's sexist because then I would be agreeing to other here's I guess here's the problem we're encountering you gave me a definition I

Brian Atlasrepeated the definition back to you you agreed with the definition I met all the criteria for your own definition you're either going to have to concede that it is sexism or you need to change your definition again yeah I have to change my definition okay let's hear the new

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)definition let me yall took my phone let me look at the definition I mean I my definition of sexism is Prejudice and power but yeah I'm using your definition discrimination

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)yeah that's my that's my definition but how can if I meet all the criteria for your definition why how would it not be sexist because like I said it's one woman like you can't the power women

Brian Atlasdon't have more power over men in general so you can't even say that but you don't think sexism so there's like systemic but think sexm EXs an individual level for example if a white calls a the NW

Brian Atlaslike we would agree that that's racist right yes right but that's on an individual level right so like if the most powerful woman in the country if she did win the the individually yeah I

Brian Atlasmean I guess I guess you could say Okay vaguely like do one for the uh racist thing just before we get to the racist thing um I do need to get to her because

Brian Atlasshe also disagreed so the statement is possible to be sexist towards men uh you disagree with that

Brian Atlaswhy I honestly did not understand the question okay so tell me what your understanding of it was I didn't understand it if you can

Jakeexplain it to me please do you think it's possible to be sexist towards men [Music]

Brian Atlasyes okay okay uh not me personally but right maybe you don't have any sexist you're not sexist towards men but

Brian Atlasis it possible a woman or even yourself could be sexist towards men

Brian Atlasyes mhm okay and uh well why don't we go into the next thing then uh possible to be racist towards white people rebel you disagree can I give you a hypothetical

Brian Atlasyes go ahead wait before you before you analogies you be uh and you said uh the statement is possible to be racist towards white people you

Yamile (Yams) Fuentesdisagree possible to be racist towards white people yeah do you agree or disagree agree um I agree a lot of people are

Yamile (Yams) Fuentesracist so you can be racist to white people not me personally but I've experienced it in a social setting you indicated here though that you

Brian Atlasdisagreed I honestly did not understand those questions you didn't understand the question okay all right well then it's just for Rebel then I don't think anybody else uh disagree

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)even we talking about it now I feel like the power gap between men and women are smaller than the power gap between black people and white people now I feel like maybe back in the day in in like a like

Jakeanother hypothetical situation say there was a country in Africa for example and they had an all black government the country was completely run by black people and then for example say that there was a bunch of like farmers who

Jakewere white and the all black government was systemically kicking out all of those Farmers out of the country and in many cases people were killing them would that be racist in your hypothetical situation yes well what if

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)I told you that's exactly what's happened in South Africa right now this is in South Africa right now they're kicking out white people kicking out all the white Farmers killing them in many cases well they came and snatched us

Jakefrom over there sir first so it's kind of like but these Farmers didn't snatch anybody these are just farmers who are farming their land and they're being systemically kicked out and their land

Jakeis actually being being um uh what's it called ex appropriated appropriated but uh ex I'm having a mental blank but their land is basically being forcefully

Jaketaken by the government because they're white is that racist is it because they're white because they're white it's not happening to any blacks and it's giving being redistributed back to black

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)people no I feel like we looking out for us in that situation like I'm not going to lie because just the history of Afric cut by itself like they not even meant

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)to be there they going to give sunburnt they really we really helping them out if we really be honest and we kicking them they need to go to Iceland or some where they can Thrive better so you say it's completely appropriate for the all

Jakeblack government to be expropriating I think that's the word the land of these white Farmers that they've been farming for generations and generations and you think that because they're looking out for themselves then that's an okay thing

Jaketo do it's not okay it's not okay I'm not going to sit up here at like that's okay you say because of like the heavy race Factor actually the same thing happened in rhia which is now

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)Zimbabwe you they talking about me do you think that it's it's racist could that fall into the category of racist I wouldn't even Prejudice Prejudice I give you Prejudice like you could say bias

Jakeyou could say discriminatory so what exactly is the difference between that and let's talk about the Atlantic slave trade for example the uh Americans came over and they were taking slaves

Jakefrom Africa right they were buying slaves from Africa but they were just looking out for themselves and actually they were giving the slaves a better life because now their ancestors are all in America right so would you say that the the same logic could apply I can't

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)even I can't even say that cuz colorism runs so deep in the world it's just like it's if if white skin was seen as as as what's opposite of superior inferior

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)inferior to us then I could say like yeah that's racism but in general speaking white skin has holds more power so just that one little instance of

Jakeprejudice is that doesn't mean that we can be racist towards white people just specifically with the example we're talking about here with South Africa and that's a material example it's not even a hypothetical wrong that's wrong and

Jakeit's Prejudice it's wrong 100% but if it meets your exact definition of power of our racism because in South Africa they have thec the African National Congress which is in charge of the country MH and

Jakethey actually have big festivals and rallies where they're chanting kill the bua the bua is the white farmer and they're saying kill the white farmer kill the white farmer could that possibly be seen as a little bit

Caliracist they're saying kill the white farmer I think I'm biased on this situation in South Africa it was illegal to be black in South Africa for a very long time so it wasn't illegal to be black but there was segregation and to

Jakedeal with white people and all of that to have an interracial child that was illegal would you say that that's right racist I don't know if it's R it's just get bag it's not racist but was it but like was the apartheid that you're talking about was that racist it was

Jakeokay so then would you apply the same standard to what's happening now it is racist it is yep so you you think it's possible for black people to be racist

Jaketo white people it is possible how about this Rebel like slavery is obviously a like where this sort of conversation stems from right right say for example

Jakeif there was lots of black people that hundreds of years ago were enslaving lots of white people would that be racist yeah what if I told you that that actually did happen there was a barbery

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)slave trade which is Northern Africans that were taking Europeans and over a million of them and enslaving them every color of people were slaves at one point but it's just talking about the syst

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)systemic ways that it is now it's not it's not favored towards black people that's the only difference that's the thing everybody's been slaves and last question if if just say for example

JakeAfrica had an economic boom just like China and India had over the last sort of 20 years or so say globalism hits Africa they start manufacturing at a massive rate China is investing in them China is building all of this

Jakeinfrastructure within Africa and then all of a sudden you look into the future 30 years and Africa and African countries have the highest GDP from any continent and then but if that did happen then would you say that that

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)would then and then and then the Africans were doing what they're doing to white people in their countries would would it then be racist if things would Chang to that point where we had that much power yeah then it can flip and we could be the racist ones yeah in this

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)type of if if the power dynamics were to flip yes but it's like everyone was was slaved but not everyone was oppressed from the be for hundreds and hundreds of

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)years not everyone was getting a and turned into chairs and babies getting buried into the ground and getting their head kicked off like not every race had to happening to them actually did did happened pretty much throughout human

Jakehistory basically until Christian European civilization came about the world the entire world was in was just a series of tribal Warfare and people were just killing each other they were taking

Jakeuh like War Brides They were killing each other in brutal ways they would go into the place they'd kill all of the men keep the women for brides kill all the children in in because if they didn't kill the children then the children one day come for Retribution so

Jakethat was pretty much the story of the world it's even in in the Bible you've got sort of battles like this taking place so the way that I view it is that human history is just a series of brutal

Jakebrutal Warfare where everybody suffered and then Christian European civilization happened which is you know um after Jesus Christ and how Christianity spread throughout Europe and throughout the

Jakeworld and then this is where Modern the sort of modern morals and modern human rights come from is the Christian Christian are you a Christian um I was raised Christian but

JakeI definitely am like just more spiritual now I would say um would you like and would you agree that it was actually the Christian countries that abolished

Jakeslavery I guess yes yeah CU it was the English William Wilberforce sailing the Seas trying to trying to get all of the slave ships and then it was the Americans who abolished slavery mhm but

Jakestill nowadays today there's more slavery in the world than there has ever been in human history wow yeah all through the Middle East they use Christianity to enslave people as well too so it's well the Christian countries are actually pretty much exclusively the

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)only ones that don't have slavery right now yeah right now but I mean that's the evilness of Christianity they used it as a way to control slaves too back then too so it's like the

Jakeargument of Christianity being like but could you also make the argument though that if you look at the white world which is basically Europe and then

JakeAmerica Australia uh Canada and um New Zealand basically these are pretty much the only places in the world that don't they've got a lot of sex slavery that happens in those countries so that still happens but by and large these are the

Jakecountries that don't really have too much slavery could you then make the argument that because there's so many black people still enslaving black people in Africa that that the oppression is actually coming from black people now and even during the Atlantic

Jakeslave trade what even during the Atlantic slave trade pushing it Jake well do you do you know how how do you think how do you think that um how do you think that you the white people from America got

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)slaves I know they I know that they gave them to them but there was also like guns involved and stuff too like I know they came and snatch some people and I know they gave up people what you mean there were false promises there were a lot of things that were said like there

Caliwas going to be a better life for them and all types of [ __ ] A lot of people got on those boats thinking that they were going to go somewhere and be taken care of and you know things were going to be better they didn't necessarily go because they were like oh we're going to get whipped and we're going to go help you guys pick some cotton that wasn't

Jakewhy they [ __ ] got on the boat but and we all know that the reason why they got on the boat was not by choice they didn't willingly get on the boat did the reason why they got on the boat was because they were sold by other Africans

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