2 OBNOXIOUS Rude Girls KICKED OUT! 1 RAGE QUIT?! The MOST Beautiful Panel EVER??? | Dating Talk #226

Date: 2025-02-05

Duration: 7h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

FForever the Rebel >

NNatalie (Oxnard PA)>

YYamile Fuentes >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Rebel (Forever the Rebel)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Aana(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_08Natalie(guest)

SPEAKER_09Roxanna(guest)

SPEAKER_10Elena(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ava(guest)

SPEAKER_12Yamile (Yams) Fuentes(guest)

SPEAKER_13Cali(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyNatalie refuses to take shoes off without explanation. Brian argues this shows lack of submission. Debate about whether asking "why" reflects deeper character.

“"Why do I have to take my shoes off?" — Natalie questions studio rule, sparking submission debate”

QuoteElena (Ukrainian) complains about Aana's behavior, says she flagged it much earlier.

“Elena to Brian after Aana episode: "I asked long time ago to control the situation but you didn't"”

QuoteElena says men in America are afraid to pursue women because of feminism/false accusation fears. Contrasts with Ukraine where men actively pursue.

“"In my country if a man likes a woman he will do a lot of stuff to get her. Here man is afraid to do anything."”

ControversyBrian calls out Elena for being in Miami clubs while Ukrainian men die in war. Elena defends herself. Moment of tension.

“Brian points at Elena: "She's in the club in Miami while her countrymen are being slaughtered"”

QuoteJust before being kicked out, Aana says "you're a f***ing weird Brian, considering that you asked somebody on a date, weirdo"

“"You're a f***ing weird Brian, considering that you asked somebody on a date, weirdo"”

OtherAfter repeated interruptions, screaming, name-calling (N-word), and refusal to tone down, Brian kicks Aana out. She refuses to leave, finally exits calling Brian "weirdo" and claiming he asked her on a date. WALKOFF/KICKOUT.

“"Kindly get up and leave" — Aana kicked out after multiple warnings; left saying "I did nothing wrong"”

ControversyRatings round — Brian and Jake rate themselves low (5-6), panel gives themselves 9-10. Viewer chat rates nobody above a 5. Brian disputes their self-ratings.

“Ratings round: panel rates themselves 9-10; Brian says none above a 5; "most delusional panel ever"”

QuoteBrian declares this the most beautiful panel the show has ever had after ratings round.

“"I just want to say this is by their own rating the most beautiful panel we have ever had"”

OtherBrian announces show is going to one show per week starting March, citing 12 flakes on this episode and back pain.

“Big announcement: show going down to one episode per week (Sundays) starting March 2025”

OtherElena tells story of billionaire date who screamed "shut up" during car rally then gave her 5 minutes in the pantry for dinner.

“Elena's billionaire date story — "shut up!" then 5 minutes to grab food from pantry”

ControversyYamile refuses to answer questions repeatedly, says "no comment" citing her contract. Brian accuses her of malicious compliance and breach of contract. Leads to her removal.

“Yamile: "no comment / it's my freedom of speech" — Brian: "you're in breach of contract"”

OtherYamile (Yams) asked to leave for repeatedly refusing to answer questions, citing "no comment" and contract. Exits calmly after Brian invokes breach of contract. KICKOUT/TROLL.

“Yamile asked to leave for bad-faith trolling — "no comment" to every question”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Brian introduces show and all guests go around the table: Rebel, Roxanna, Elena, Aana, Natalie, Cali, Ava, Yamile, and Jake. Each shares name, age, location, occupation, education, and sings a bit. Multiple guests are musicians/singers.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares how long they have been single and their longest relationship. Rebel (bisexual, 1yr single), Roxanna (20yr marriage, now new love of her life), Elena (3yrs single, 100+ dates in America with almost no callbacks), Aana (6mo relationship), Natalie (single since 2019), Cali (6mo single after 2.5yr relationship), Ava (4 weeks single, two 3yr relationships).

Shoes Rule / Submission Debate

Brian asks Natalie to remove shoes; she questions why. Evolves into a long debate about whether asking why = lack of submission, whether submission is conditional or unconditional, and whether a woman's behavior in small situations reflects her relationship behavior.

Job Interview Hypothetical

Jake poses hypothetical: if the man of your dreams was interviewing you, how would you sell yourself? Panel largely answers with "just be myself" — Jake and Brian point out none of them articulated what they would bring to his life.

Men vs Women Oppression Debate

Extended debate about whether men or women are more oppressed. Topics include the draft, Ukraine war, domestic violence laws, legal system bias, Vietnam War, selective service. Elena (Ukrainian) called out for being in Miami clubs while Ukrainian men die in war.

Mansplaining / Racial Oppression Discussion

Discussion about mansplaining as sexist term, Black splaining analogy, power+prejudice definition of racism and sexism. Debate about South Africa and Arab slave trade. Historical slavery discussions.

Aana Kicked Out — Confrontation

After repeated interruptions and screaming, Brian asks Aana to leave. She refuses initially, calls him names, accuses him of racism. Finally leaves while Rebel and Yamile debate whether to stay. Things calm significantly after she exits.

Ratings Round — Panel Rates Themselves

Gorlock the Destroyer asks panel to rate their looks 1–10 (no 7). Most give 9–10. Brian declares this the most beautiful panel ever. Brian gave himself a 6 (adjustable), Jake a 5. Panel rated Brian 7 and Jake 8–9. Elena said she'd be doing them a favor.

Aging and Attractiveness

Brian asks each woman if she will be better looking in 10/20/30 years. Most claim yes indefinitely; Brian is frustrated by lack of honesty. Yamile claims she will look the same at 74 as at 24. Brian offers $5K + free plastic surgery to anyone willing to get age-advancing procedure.

Billionaire Bet

Brian bets any panelist $100,000 if she marries a billionaire within 5 years, she must pay him $10,000 if she does not. Elena verbally accepts the wager. Brian declares them the most delusional panel ever.

Announcement: Going to One Show Per Week

Brian announces the show will go from 2x/week to 1x/week (Sundays only) starting in March due to booking stress (12 flakes for this episode), back pain, and burnout. Plans to return to 2x when things stabilize.

Body Count Discussion

Panel discusses whether body count matters, whether men are insecure to care about it. Goes around the table for everyone's body count. Rebel discloses ~7 (3 guys + ~4 girls). Roxanna says under 10. Others decline to specify.

Man vs Bear in the Forest

Classic dating discourse question: would you rather meet a man or bear in the forest? Most pick man; one picks bear. Discussion about safety and trust.

Should Men Pay on First Dates

Questionnaire item: women should pay 50/50 on first dates. Rebel, Roxanna, and Elena disagree — believe man should pay. Others are okay with 50/50.

Transgender Women Discussion

Debate on whether trans women are women, whether dating a trans woman is straight, autogynephilia, and whether trans athletes in women's sports is fair. Rebel takes tolerant view; Cali (Yamile present) says born male or female is fixed.

Elena's Worst Date Story

Elena shares funny story of a billionaire date who screamed "shut up" at her while watching a car rally, then made her rummage through his pantry for dinner within 5 minutes.

Yamile Kicked Out — Trolling

After Yamile repeatedly says "no comment" to questionnaire items and refuses to engage in good faith, Brian invokes breach of contract and asks her to leave. She exits calmly. Brian deems her a troll/plant.

Feminism Debate

Brian delivers extended monologue about feminism being the source of division between men and women, citing its presence in education/media/government. Rebel defends feminism as pro-women not anti-men. Jake cites feminist academic quotes about destroying the nuclear family.

AI Age Advancement / Gender Swap Fun

Discord creates AI age-advanced photos of all guests. Brian also shows gender-swapped versions of each guest and themselves. Light-hearted segment near end of show.

Transcript

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Rebel (Forever the Rebel)please tell us your name age location occupation and education go ahead what's going on I'm forever the rebel I'm 24 um I'm from Chicago but I live in Atlanta

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)came all the way to al la out here for this um welcome I'm a musician and a business owner I own my own studio and people pay me to record their music um I

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)have a certification in audio engineering and I played a guitar nice oh man we should have had you bring an instrument or something yeah maybe next time uh and any education like any college or anything like that art school

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)I was in the military so I didn't go to college I was in the Air Force Air Force okay enlisted or you went in as enlisted yeah enlisted um I was in there for 2 years and then I left uh for medical

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)reasons and then was it like a medical discharge or yeah it was like a medical discharge and then uh I went and got my certification at audio engineering so that's my Ed what were you what was your job I guess in the military uh I was an

Brian Atlasengineer so basically I made the blueprints and floor plans for my base yeah all right got it and you have a grill is that what what is that called a grill do they still call it that you know what I'm saying okay you going to get the tops done or yeah I'm definitely going to get the tops I'm going to be

Brian AtlasI'm going to be blinged out soon I definitely I I'm a rapper got a wait can we we hear a little I don't know like a sing you sing too i i i r I'm more of a rock star so I do a Little Rock but I I

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)definitely rap I give us a little give us a couple bars yeah I got you I give you a little four piece um yo yo hi nice to meet you my name is forever we can

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)talk about relationships and put it together we can chill on my podcast talk about whatever man I hope oneone of these girls man we leaving together just I'm just playing I just

Brian Atlascame off the top with it good was thank you for having me that'll be our new intro for the thank whatever sweet awesome thank you Rebel what about you hi I'm roxan and I am from Santa Barbara

Roxannaokay I actually grew up in Rhode Island okay from Rhode Island yeah go ahead and I own a spa called Fen fatal Beauty fatal I'm also a real estate agent and

Roxannaum I used to work for Playboy as well like the magazine or um yeah so it was it was um since since 18 I've been

Roxannaworking on and off with them okay but I have three children three kid oh yeah so I had to stop at some same same father same father same guy are you married or

Roxannawell I guess we can get into that later I'm yeah and um divorced uh any school or anything like that um yes so I went to Rhode Island College and then um you

Roxannagot your Associates Bachelors I got like Bachelor of Arts there are for communications public relations and then um then I furthered

Roxannamy career with uh the real estate sure and then also cosmetology school for being an aesthetician got it age um I am

Elena47 47 okay got it what about you good morning children my name is Elena I'm from Ukraine wait say that again good morning children wake up we are in

Brian Atlaswhatever podcast wait can you instead of children can you say comrades go ahead comrades com comrads who is this com comrades this my English not good I'm

Elenafrom Ukraine EXA well exactly comrades comrad good morning comrades good morning comrades okay perfect good good okay my name is Elena I from Ukraine I

Elenalive in Miami I am singer songwriter host comedian actress do events and also work as a bartender all right I'm 37 uh and any school or anything like that

Brian Atlasyeah I have a master degree I have two education in in childhood education you said huh the Master's Degree it's in childhood UC no it's a finance oh

AanaFinance okay got it and uh age 37 37 got it okay what about you hello I'm aana

AanaI'm 23 um I'm from California or Baltimore it doesn't matter uh Baltimore yes that's where I was raised for a long time what was that for I don't know and

Brian AtlasI'm a singer I was going to do that for Chicago too Baltimore Takes the Cake okay singer yeah uh and um

Brian Atlaseducation uh yeah I went to sbcc got your Associates I didn't finish yet okay still working on it still working on it yeah let's hear uh Eda James what's that

SPEAKER_04song uh all right ready you know you know which one I'm talking about last my like a

SPEAKER_04song oh yeah yeah at last yes that was good wait now you're a singer too all right let's hear it wait do you

Elenasing also you sing no no singing pretty bad don't what about you what should I sing well you said you're a singer right yes are you a rapper too no no no in

Brian Atlasukra rap is not is not popular okay uh give us something sing um you want Ukrainian you want American American no

Elenawait yes am sure yeah American okay I clear that wo okay wow all

Elenaright oh excuse me sorry he putting everybody on his SP I know I know that's good especially you got to follow her up too that's yeah

Elenathat's rough it was you want to see what you rise what you see how can I be what

Elenayou want it to be you Frozen when your hearts now

Elenaopen m M if I could melt your

Elenaheart would never be a [Music] part yes wow all right very cool very

Nataliecool uh what about you Natalie I'm 49 March 15 is my birthday happy birthday there's what

Brian Atlasaudio give me one sec guys we are getting a couple reports of a couple audio issues here and there give me one

Brian Atlassec somebody's saying sound is fine uh audio issues got to

Brian Atlasrefresh uh one sec guys sometimes it's uh give me one sec

Brian Atlasguys um the audio issue is her voice

Brian Atlaswhat uh members members uh how's the audio is the audio okay or is it I did a couple changes to it so I mean I'm not

Brian Atlasthere could be reports of differences in the audio um but can you let me know if the audio is okay [Music]

Brian Atlasmembers the singing was the problem okay you see the Ukrainian men comment yeah

Brian Atlasuh okay I'll listen to it after the uh introductions but for now I think we're uh internet problems too I don't know uh

Brian AtlasI think it's fine mods is it mod chat can you tell me if it's fine sorry guys just one moment here

Brian Atlasuh uh give us just a moment guys just another day uh just another day technical difficulties audio difficulties thank

Brian Atlasyou for your patience guys while my team is looking into any audio issues here I think it's fine for now but if it continues I'll take another look at it

Nataliesorry for the interruption um why don't you introduce yourself Natalie 49 I recently moved to oxar chore from

NatalieManhattan Beach I'm a French Portuguese I'm a PA I have three medical cosmetic offices Ventura Malibu and Manhattan

NatalieBeach I love what I do single parent very proud to my Marine boy he's just became a captain in a

Brian Atlascampon Wooh Marines yes Marines and he's an he's an officer no my son was an officer now he's a

Nataliecaptain got it okay he didn't go in enlisted though no he went uh he went to college and then yeah he played water PO for UCI got it okay and uh you said

Natalieyou're a PA so a physician physician assistant yeah got it okay and I do injection and I very much upset with the

Nataliecomment you guys had on the labia all my friends in the industry are very Pro labia uh surgery so you guys say you're

Natalieagainst and you protesting it but aot many surgeon that I know will go out of business it's a very popular

Brian Atlasprocedure excuse me no no no no okay we're going to have to save the lebia debate for later but

Natalieum I uh it's my industry I know how it goes they I mean they fly here from all over the word to get it done it's your industry but it's because women that do

Natalievaginal birth they have to get some repair so I'm just saying it's not not all the time but not all the time but most women you had three kids I've had

Nataliethree did you have what is it called vaginal repair vaginal uh Rejuvenation vaginal rejuvenation but vagina birth the vagina's fine is the

Natalievagina fine it's fine it's fine she she's had three kids the vagina's fine I had the C-section is very fine but I'm just saying the industry is very high

Nataliedemand I don't say about us I say the industry is very high demand do you do Leia plasty no I have many friends that

Brian Atlasdo it and I know how it's done let me know I'm going to protest I did 12 Years plastic surgery and is a very high

Nataliedemand I'm sad about that I'm sad about that women like a titer because the man is asked for it like what women like it to be titer because men ask for it but

Nataliethe the labia placey that's like the the SC on doesn't make it tighter the leap if you get the leap you want to get it all done I'm just saying

Brian Atlasis Well some women just get the Leia plasty but I mean you know Jake have you ever run in like

Brian Atlaslike have you ever run into like loose I've never run into one but U have you have you put your penis in one I may have encountered or use your your

Brian Atlasfinger bro it's like bro loose [ __ ] rare rare yeah and you can you Kel anyways whatever um good talk already

Brian Atlastalking about vaginas five minutes into the show okay um well we'll have the debate later then what about you uh my name is cie yep I'm 31 31 all right I am a Creator model and I have a cannabis

Brian Atlasbrand sweet and uh oh where you from I'm originally from the bay area but I live in Vegas little closer I'm originally from the bay area but I live in Vegas you're in Vegas and any school college

Brian Atlasanything like that yeah I went to a university but I didn't finish did you get your Associates or no okay got it and I looked on your Instagram you've you have a billboard in the desert

Brian Atlasthat's cool yeah I was right before you got to Vegas from La nice have you has it has the billboard campaign has it resulted in some good traffic or no it's not working are you regretting the

Brian Atlasbillboard I don't regret it at all it was good for like getting my name out there but oh wait one question are those corrective lenses is it like blue light or no because I feel like we need to see your face you know are you down to take

Brian Atlasthem off no I like to wear them I'll give you a $2 do you know how much this is worth I'll give you a $2 bill to take them off for the rest of the show I don't need $2 those are rare you

Brian Atlasdon't need $2 but you need a $2 bill look like do you have any $2 bills no have you ever had a $2 bill I have a $2 bill do I need a $2 bill you need you need it no this is to reup your

Brian Atlasbillboard campaign you can put it towards that save it for a rainy day AKA today I said I have a cannabis brand I think I'm

Avagood good talk good talk what about you what's up I'm AA okay welcome siren SB

Avafrom SB 805 yeah um I was in cosmetology school I did aesthetician School uh so I

Avado Aesthetics I teach dance as well salsa Bachata Bata nice I do that too really not really um doesn't look like

Yamile (Yams) Fuentesit I definitely don't do it um age 24 24 all right welcome back what about you what's good y'all it's your girl yams

Yamile (Yams) Fuentesyum Le Fuentes born and raised here in Santa Barbara 805 Baby I I am 24 years old I am a business administration major and a dancer and I also rap so I'm going

Brian Atlasto have to hop in your studio because everyone's been flaking on me let go you said FES yes you a grer oh bro seriously dude a lot of artists in here oh my God I like a lot of creators guess we all

Jakegoing home with you Jak YouTube channel rattlesnake TV podcast uh reality based podcast and Travel Channel uh rattlesnake travel

Jakewhere we've just released a video shooting big big weapons with Andrew Wilson and you guys will enjoy that all down below all right guys going around the table once more we're getting into

Brian Atlaseverybody's relationship status so uh uh if you're single how long have you been single what's the longest relationship you've ever been in um single been single for like a year

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)and uh my longest relationship was four years on and off towards the last year but like four years yeah so you said single for a year one year but on and

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)off yeah but it was like four years in total like it was on and off but I'll say four years for real cuz I really wasn't talking to anybody else during those four years okay got it uh you said

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)when you say on and off so it's like there' be periods yeah like we break up then I you know i' be the person chasing you know to be like hey come back like let's work it out and then we get back together for a couple more months and

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)then it be on and off type situation you know how it is you know we all get together with our exes and see especially like that was my first relationship so it's like them attachment issues are strong for sure

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)how many times was it on and off again I say like three four five 3 four five times okay and who was initiating the off um like we would break up for

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)different reasons but like like the last time like she would be started getting mean to me out of nowhere and then if if I didn't feel like I did anything

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)wrong we end up breaking up or we just it' be something stupid like we shared a bunny together and it died and she blamed it on me and we broke up and that' be a break up for a couple months

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)or something like that or it just was like little stupid things like that but it like I said it was my first relationship so I didn't know what I was doing all the way yeah okay um and uh

Brian Atlasyou were a lesbian yeah are a lesbian can you tell us there was a transition you kind of went viral recently yeah uh let me know the details yeah I you know

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)I like I like girls um that's my preference but it's just in recently in 2024 really um I was just having some issues with girls not reciprocating my energy I just felt like I was giving

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)everything and not getting anything and I just at a certain point I'm tired cuz like I'm not I'm a stem like I like I like to switch up put on some lashes [ __ ] too I'm a princess too so you're going to have to treat me like that and

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)so had to switch over to guys and give guys a chance and you know I've been having fun I having fun you know what I'm saying it's fun I having to do everything you know what I'm saying like

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)you know what I'm saying like I hate driving like simple stuff like that like you don't girls don't appreciate it sometimes it's just like I just want somebody that I want a girlfriend you

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)hate driving yeah I don't like driving like it's not fun so you need a man to drive for you or I'm not saying I don't need it but I would prefer to be in the passenger seat for sure I feel like everybody would and um like I want a

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)girlfriend but a girlfriend doesn't want me so I'm talking to guys right now it's easier to get guys too so they're so easy they're so easy so

TTS/Donationsyeah oh did you have a question okay um but yeah I've been having fun since I switched Metro mat donated y thank you

TTS/DonationsMatt sorry for the delay what in the Dei panel dad Trump already banned this send these 304s back to the Looney Bin sorry for the delay Metro mat we were just getting through the intro and then the

Brian Atlasaudio issues threw me off but yo Metro Matt thank you so much man for the TS not 304 does anybody want to respond to

Brian Atlasanybody 30 looney bin 304 di daddy Trump okay all right thank you Metro mat appreciate it guys W's in the chat for

Brian AtlasMetro matat Big Time supporter over there good good homie in the Discord too um relationship status go ahead yes so um I was married for 20 years just

Roxannarecently got divorced and I'm with um the one I truly love um we are have been in a relationship for like three years almost gotcha wait a couple clarifying

Brian Atlasquestions here um your marriage you're married for 20 years yeah and together for how long with the individual um with my boyfriend now then no so you said you're married for 20 years is that

Roxannacorrect yes but you were dating oh we were only dating for like 6 months oh okay so together quick 20 years yeah yeah and I I got married when I was 24

Roxannamarried at 24 and then so you got divorced at 44 um I got divorced uh well it it got finalized last year last year okay it

Brian Atlastook a long time to get final a couple clarifying questions on this you said you and you initiated the divorce yes okay but you've been with the man who you truly love is that or what did you

Brian Atlashow did you describe it um the love of my life love of your life you've been in a relationship with three years three years uh how um how soon after you initiated the divorce did you begin your new

Roxannarelationship well it's a little bit complicated because well my my boyfriend would like act like he's

Roxannagay like what like he would he like pretend he was gay right and like um but

Roxannamy my ex knew we had kind of an open relationship and so um because I had children like he would come over the house and I didn't want to be we didn't

Roxannawant to be like well this is my lover you know so we went through that um phase of maybe about six months to a

Roxannayear of just kind of like you know pretend how what's that pretend to be gay how oh yeah like he would act he would just he would just act like like just in front

Roxannaof kids you know like but like my my ex knew you know and he had his own relationships over the years and stuff

Brian Atlashe's you know so your ex-husband yes mhm um wait so I'm a little was are you alleging there's

Roxannainfidelity um yes okay yes but um on your end or his or both um I would say on his end but um he if

Roxannayou ask him he would say that I was being um uh not you know not true but the thing is is that okay he he had you

Roxannaknow his flings here and there he would travel a lot and then I would um and then finally I I found somebody um and we had an open relationship and so he

Roxannaknew that we were lovers and so you know technically I'm not like cheating do you know what I

Roxannamean because it's an open relationship oh you had an open marriage yeah for the whole marriage not for the whole marriage I would say the last like year

Roxannaand a half two years so how's you this guy you've been dating for 3 years when did you meet him I met him uh well I was

Roxannastill married I met him the last like two years of our marriage mhm so um so yeah we were together for like a full year and then the divorce happened and

Roxannathen that divorce was like taking like forever like a year and then now we're we're together like so that was the guy that you were truly in love with yeah

Brian Atlasyeah I mean I was really young when I got married you know so and he was 10 years older than me was there any when the marriage was still

Brian Atlassome semblance of still together was your current boyfriend in the picture um what do you mean by that well it appears there's a bit of crossover

Brian Atlasbetween the time you met your now love of your life boyfriend in the time when you were still married yes there was a crossover and that's when he was like pretending to be

Brian Atlasgay for the kids for the kids so wait while you were still living with your ex-husband you inviting over your true

Brian Atlaslover M who pretended to be gay in front of your kids MH why did I'm just maybe but now are you open often you are you open do do

Roxannayour kids know that you're dating him oh yeah they totally know yeah how old are the kids so how did you explain to them that he's not gay and he's like your

Roxannaboyfriend um so so that took a long time you know we had had like therapists we had like um for the kids yeah couldn't he had just sh up friend yeah but that

Brian Atlaswas about the divorce or about the gay about the divor not actually gay no no no just the divorce and stuff okay but

Roxannalike um no they're they're they're fine now you know they you know I have 50/50s so they come over um you know me and my

Roxannaboyfriend live together and like um it's great you know we get along very well um you know we take the kids out we go on

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)trips together you know it's fine now okay yeah all right so your husband knew that did your husband know that you were SL sliding with the other guy he

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)was cool with it oh cuz I was open MH oh okay all right okay I was going to say somebody saying annoying bracelet does somebody have like a noisy bra oh maybe me is my

Brian Atlasearrings this one yeah there's like a cling earrings I think it's the earrings necklace um anyways if you can deal with that but what about you relationship sadness um

Brian AtlasI'm single two years searching for my new love three years you said yes okay and um longest relationship two years sorry did you say

Brian Atlastwo or three uh the longest two years I'm single three years I see okay and uh when did you you're from Ukraine when did you move to Miami

Brian Atlasuh two years ago two ex exactly two years ago and was that like at the outbreak of the Ukrainian War yeah okay so you moved to Miami you've been single for three years so uh and when you moved

Brian Atlasfrom Ukraine you went straight to Miami or were you somewh somewh to Miami straight okay why did you pick Miami not me pick God pick God pick you know um it's fun The Last Place on Earth God

Elenawould pick no you know when I was child I was dreamed to live in Hollywood and God heard my dreams brought me to Hollywood but Miami I didn't say to God which one I want so he choose the Miami

Elenalove I didn't know that Hollywood have Florida God hates Hollywood yes and it's in my all my documents is Hollywood

Brian Atlasaddress yes um and so tell us a bit about your uh I mean you moved to Miami and you've been single for three years but you've gone on dates right yes in

Brian Atlasfact in your notes if I seem to recall you said you've been on a 100 dates many yes you've dated uh is it more than 100 or like exactly 100 you gave up I know why I just came because actually I came

Elenacompletely alone to America I didn't know anyone so I needed to um meet as more as possible people to understand what's going on in this country and you know when you're meeting the people in

Brian Atlasknow the information and do you have like a refugee status or yes yes yes okay and so do you do you receive support from the United States government no no like any money it was

Elenait was in the beginning beginning uh they offer you like $200 for food and uh insurance so health insurance uh health health insurance for six months and I

Elenathink food stamps also for six months okay and then they just give you like $200 cash okay no no not 200 you can choose you can choose like 200 foot

Brian Atlasstamps like you can I see okay um and then does that expire the refugee status or uh soon it will be expired yes and you have to go back to Ukraine or and

Brian Atlaswe're waiting what Trump will make the new law what what we're going to do and so but you said you went on a 100 dates yes okay and where would you typically meet these men on dating apps yes and

Elenawould you go out to like nightclubs and bars also yes how often did you go out to nightclubs and bars now or before I am because when I just came to

ElenaAmerica one year I was very very hyperactive I was everywhere in clubs in Events first first year you go out two times a week three times a week something like this yes but now I have a

Brian Atlaslot of jobs so I don't have time for dating so I think I see okay and so you would meet men at nightclubs and bars or how would you meet them

Elenaeasily com to me to talk different different like you know I come I I found a lot of Russian speaking bars so whereas the people from my country or

Elenafrom any other USSR country so it was very easy to talk to them and some other men I met in 18 apps which part of Ukraine are you from I from City ven it's central part but also I was Liv 10

Brian Atlasyears in Kiev it's the capital of Ukraine M and uh dating apps did you use any dating apps no not it's too much wasting of

Brian Atlastime uh and you did say we we won't we'll come back to it but you said that uh you've been on a 100 dates and nearly nobody called you back

Brian Atlasand invited you for a second date yes so of the 100 First Dates you had how many went to a second date maybe only a couple like two three two three five I

Brian Atlasdon't know yeah something like this and then would you uh some of these First Dates like would you hook up with them hook up sex no go back to their place

Brian Atlashave sex no I'm old fashioned girl old you're an oldfashioned girl yes what does that mean it's mean no

Elenasex until when until I feel love has that always been the case huh has that always been the case of course my mama raised me very good my mama have

Elenaonly one father and they together 40 years and they have a four beautiful children and I have a normal standards in my head so I think if my love me he

Elenacan a little bit wait isn't but so you've been celibate for 3 years what well I mean you

Brian Atlassaid you it's a it's it's a let's not speak about that but so it sounded like 3 four five of the first dates there's

Brian Atlaslike a second date what's the furthest any of these guys got date five were any of them your boyfriend or no oh my God it's I need to remind uh I

Elenahave some friends with who I still speaking but I didn't get any relationship like I didn't feel love or something when you say you have friends who you're still speaking with of course yes you still

Brian Atlassee them keep in touch not like dates feel like speaking for sex no but hold on I'm confused you said you're oldfashioned yes you said you're traditional you don't have sex on the

Brian Atlasfirst date yes second date no third date maybe okay third day but you haven't been celibate the entire time that you've been in Miami celebrate do mean uh celebrate means not having

Brian Atlassex she also said there was a couple people out of that 100 dates yeah that it seemed to go a little further but I mean I'm just trying to get a sense of

Brian Atlashow old-fashioned we're talking here let's keep it secret sure okay don't kiss um well we'll come back to the 100 date

Aanathing but uh what about you relationship status I'm in a relationship well I'll say um yeah my man thank you to my man it is it is a man right yeah this time

Natalieokay this time uh how long have you guys been together um about 6 months 6 months and then your longest relationship 5 years 5 years all right what about

Natalieyou uh my longest relationship uh was 12 years I'm 25 years in the US so 12 out

Natalieof age and uh been single since the 2019 went on many dates but nothing evolved

Nataliesome of them we stay friend um some of them want more but I couldn't see myself uh investing

Natalieanything more than just see you um and uh were you married I was married yeah the 12E relationship is

Brian Atlasthat the only time you've been married yes and you have one son one with with the guy marri okay and then you guys got divorced got divorced who initiated the

Nataliedivorce uh it was the makeable because he wanted to move to Tennessee and I wanted to stay with my son water poo career and I said I will follow you and

Nataliethen he meet somebody and I said okay didn't mean to be and we stay friend sure and you're um you said as far as your location you're from France I'm

NatalieFrench Portuguese born in Paris born in Paris did you live in Portugal at all or no no my dad is from Portugal my mom is

NatalieParisian huh and I was raised in Tel Aviv I did my military service there for two and a half years and then I come to

Brian AtlasGreece I live in Greece for six year and then I come to the US I see okay and you said in starting in 2019 I think this is after 2019 I decide I invest more in

Nataliemyself and grow my business and um plus it was all the lockdown people were afraid so it was a

Nataliegood opportunity to really build myself my brand my everything more training more getting into health I

Nataliestudy a little bit astrology and I really like it so I think people when they date somebody they should consider a little bit astrology

Natalieand see maybe it's compatible or not I think but many people go blinded into something they don't know so maybe the

Natalieastrology give to you a map of what is good for you what is not good for you and you can cut it shorter or build a little bit longer but on the other hand

NatalieI met many very compatible on paper people to me but mentally and emotionally was not there so you get both and you said in 2019 you

Nataliedid quite a bit of dating is that correct no in 2019 I decided I just not going to date I'm going to invest in myself what it you I don't recall the

Brian Atlasprecise year then but you said after your divorce you did you were dating quite a lot I was dating going on dates I still go on dates yeah how many like

Natalieper week on average like how how many dates do you go on with maybe two two two dates per week okay or I mostly meet people organic when I go out mhm uh I

Nataliethink it's more legitimate better uh I think the online is just a

Natalieshortcut to get more information quicker easier uh but um my personal opinion I

Nataliedon't think men is uh as masculine it should be or

Natalieum gentlemen it should be I think the SES poool of the dating apps and all these is just a very visible thing for

Nataliepeople to look and see you than you by next next next next how old did you say you are how old I am I'm 49 I'm going to be March 155 how old is your son my son

Brian Atlasis 25 what year were you born in what year were you born in me yeah 76 you mentioned that you say that men

Natalieare not masculine no I think man masculine that know what he wants and he knows his value his approach is very

Natalieelegant assertive and planning and creating and putting the effort when you have one thing in mind to

Nataliejust go between the sheets so it's a different vibe you ask different questions I'm a little con I I want to explore this masculine thing really soon

Brian Atlasthough you say a lot of men aren't masculine but um do you consider yourself feminine I am feminine very feminine are you yes are you submissive

Brian AtlasI am submissive I mean look because my profession and my sucess you think I'm not well I mean I don't think this is like overly exposing

Brian Atlasanything but so we have rules here in the studio and we asked you to take your shoes off and you said why because why do I have to take my shoes off I doesn't it here's the thing

Brian Atlaswith being submissive or even just following anybody's rules I don't need a [ __ ] reason it I don't need to as a woman if you're going to be submissive

Brian Atlasand I tell you don't question my authority in the I know we're not dating but I think you should actually have show more deference and respect to a stranger when you're going into their house versus like a guy you're dating

Nataliebut like I didn't even think he's a house I thought he's the office that's why I didn't know submission comes with trust though what you're talking about sounds like slavery that sounds like slavery sound like so you're saying if

Brian Atlasyou go to if you go over to somebody's house and they're and they have like a a no shoes IND door policy you're going to start questioning it we don't know you so we don't trust you should get a door

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)if you go somebody's house if you go to somebody it do matter ask any questions that's what I'm saying you ask questions because you're trying to understand somebody's thought process wait you've never been to a house and somebody asked you to like take their shoes off

Natalieactually my house you take off the shoes yeah even her she has the rule her I ask why because I would like to understand because I thought I'm walking

Brian Atlasinto an office a studio I don't know I walk into a house you need to explain no you don't need to explain no justif no no if there's a rule if there's a rule no justification you should have at

Natalieleast tell to me in the beginning hey I have certain Rule and I would like you to accumulate or uh respect my rule give to me before I don't know you you don't know me isn't it your instinct normally

Jaketo see if you have to take your shoes off before you walk into somebody's house or to to somebody's proper even if it's not and he says can you take your shoes off you're walking into somebody else's you guys sent so many rules however you didn't say that we were

Roxannagoing to be taking our shoes off I would wear socks if I would have known that I have heels in my bag right now cuz I thought like just saying we can't wear heels cuz like I don't so that they're not clicking but we're not even wearing

Jakeshoes so why did it matter subit you just come inside and it's like it's like pouring pouring rain outside you're obviously going to have like water and and stuff on the bottom of your shoes

Jakehold on a second how is it in any way not reasonable to just ask hold on a second wait wait until I finish how's it not reasonable to just ask somebody to take their shoes off especially considering like the weather yeah it is but how is it reasonable to get upset

Aanawhen someone says why it's drizzling maybe her feet was funky and she wanted to know if she really had to do it or she could conceal the funk of her feet if you have funky feet then you should try you should try his products for that

Natalieyou know what I mean I have beautiful feet and I love my stil it's very hard for me to let them go off my feet women should be submissed to a good

Rebel (Forever the Rebel)leader part of being a good leader is as answering some questions you might or explaining yeah I don't need you have no emotional intelligence to explain are you a Scorpio this is why this is why

Brian Atlasastrology is [ __ ] because she has a totally wrong read on my uh my horoscope but um I mean look it's a little different but I'm trying to like approach it hey stop no sidebar my bad

Brian Atlaswe've already you've been on the show [ __ ] five times let you can't be interrupting when other people are talking so I know in a relationship there's going to be certain Dynamics right but like I think if you're going

Brian Atlasover to somebody's place we're not even talking about like a romantic type scenario so it's like if you're going into somebody's place it's their rules like I don't care how [ __ ] stupid you

Brian Atlasthink it is if they're like here you got to wear this [ __ ] In-N-Out hat do I have one here where is it I don't oh here we go if I'm like if you want to come into this [ __ ] you got to wear this and if like you don't want to do it

Brian Atlasthere's the [ __ ] door I don't need to explain myself I can have whatever dumbass [ __ ] rule I want that's how it is if it's your crib you can have any hey no smoking in here why not wouldn't

Brian Atlasyou be upset if somebody came to your house was about to light up a cigarette and you're like hey don't do that and they're like why not you're like hold on

AvaI don't got to explain it to you uh no is a total is a complete sentence right no period it's a little no is a complete sentence because not everyone smokes but

Avaeveryone wears shoes so like if you say no I would understand why it's just it's just the rule though like doesn't really matter if everybody do told you to wear that In-N-Out hat

Jakewould you not ask why be honest but it is different though wearing an In-N-Out hat it's like a pretty extreme example so different I don't know why you guys are laughing like there's some sort of a point to you

Jakebut taking your off hold on a second wait taking your shes off when you into somebody's house is a really sort of basic wait hold on J not to interrupt to guys he's speaking we let you guys

Brian Atlasfinish you guys can't be interrupting don't be laughing at him while he's trying to explain this just let them talk if you guys have a response you can but this show is going to be very

Brian Atlasfrustrating for everybody if we're over talking each other interrupting each other show some courtesy let people finish go ahead J didn't mean to interrup yes we are going to be here for eight hours together so it' be best if we can not interrupt but yeah I mean

Jakejust taking your shoes off there that's a basic Universal thing in places like Japan for example you can't go into somebody's house without taking your shoes off so his rule there is is so reasonable I don't see how it's not

Nataliereasonable in any way but but but to the point that he's making it's more of a submission thing he's questioning whether you're a submissive person or not I am submissive and I like to accept

Natalieanything in anyone when I explain is have to be reasonable to me I mean you're going to tell me hey over here

Brian Atlaspeople jump 5T okay see you this is my point but you have the rule like you have the rule in your own household home yeah you so it's not like you probably

Brian Atlashave justifications of your own for why you want people to take their their shoes off in your home so it's kind of like you already know the reasons whatever the reasons you have are

Brian Atlasprobably pretty similar to the reasons we have we don't want people like we have probably additional reasons too we don't want people like dragging in like dirt from the outside it's raining of course absolutely agree and also just

Natalienoise too like shoes are a bit louder so when you're walking creates more noise I agree with you but you sent to me a shopping list of instruction there was no instruction for my

Brian Atlasstilos um actually said no heals actually we do say no heels although to be charitable to you this our Arrangement like getting you on the show

Brian Atlaswas kind of last minute so maybe you had your shoes on before that's fine in the rules we do say like no heels I'm not actually going to fault you on that

Brian Atlasthat's not a huge deal but uh just because of like everything that we send you pre-show that that isn't some sort

Brian Atlasof like gotcha or like oh there might there just because whatever you send via message doesn't PR vent me from having additional rules that were not

Brian Atlaspreviously disclosed to you that I would otherwise request you to abide by like before somebody comes over to your house do you always like tell them by the way before you come over you're going to

Brian Atlashave to take your shoes off probably not absolutely I preper people you you tell them like every single person who's ever been to your house you tell them like by the way before you you can't

Brian Atlassmoke in my house like you you can't you're going to have to take your shoes off at the ask to me if there is anything you know oh if if they ask yeah oh did you ask me if there were any

Brian Atlasrules you sent to me at least so I thought it should be on it I sent you some pre-show information but do you also remember when Damien here spent 10 minutes going over other rules too so

Brian Atlaswe're not going to disclose every single little thing like in that thing we're going to do like kind of the most important stuff and then some of the more like the things that we can just tell you once you're in studio we're going to save that for when you're in

Nataliestudio darling my shoes are off my stilettos are there yeah it's okay that's it's okay that's totally cool but now we're having a conversation you think I'm not submissive but I think I

Brian Atlashaving shoes on was the problem problem let me ask you a question hold no no no hold on hold on let me let me explore this a bit further so you said you were married right I was married right and so your husband who

Brian Atlaswas was he what was he the leader in the household yes he had the authority in the household absolutely he wanted to

Brian Atlasmove to Tennessee yes ah and so he didn't he wasn't the person to like you guys were having conflict about that right no isn't that the reason for the divorce he wanted to move to tenc you

Nataliewanted to stay here for your son's the plan was I will follow him later on follow him later on yes but he meet somebody when he moved there wait when

Natalieyou say the plan like did he want you hold on the plan was when my son water poo career will end and start college

Natalieand I will follow him every time that my son have a time off we go to Tennessee back and forth to California and

Brian AtlasTennessee but I mean didn't he originally want you to go to Tennessee with him originally that was the plan yes right but you were like no I'm going

Brian Atlasto prioritize water polo thing for my son even though your husband is saying no maybe he can do water polo in Tennessee no it was the mutual agreement was it because women say they're

Brian Atlassubmissive and then they'll argue argue argue argue and then the guy will finally be like [ __ ] it whatever oh that's a mutual understanding if the if he was like I want you to come and you

Brian Atlaslike had like days upon days upon days of like back and forth discussion I don't know I really want to PR prioritize this that's not being sub to your husband if your husband was like heyy we're going to Tennessee we can

Brian Atlasfigure out the sun oh my God what the [ __ ] is going on today yeah it's fine um the house in manhatton beach was on both of us names

Natalieso I don't think there was anything uh argue about God I mean I'm not sure what that has to do with the whole I mean it it do you think it could

Brian Atlasbe the case like he wanted you to go to Tennessee with him you didn't no it was not we stayed friend after after even so he got married but I I mean I guess what

Brian AtlasI'm what I'm confused about is that um it sounded like he wanted you to go with him to Tennessee was there any infidelity in

Brian Atlasthe relationship before the move no but but because he moved to Tennessee alone and you wanted to stay in California or

Brian AtlasI don't know where you were I went back and forth okay MH I mean I don't know he says I want you to come to Cal uh Tennessee excuse me I want you

Natalieto come to uh he didn't say I want you to come the agreement the mutual agreement don't change my words okay I look I don't know the details go ahead the detail and the mutual agreement was

Nataliewe buy a house in Tennessee and slowly slowly I'm going to move out there in the process he meets somebody there and

NatalieI say okay good luck I Stay here what not to understand it was a mutual agreement to

Brian Atlasmove I mean the way look I don't know all the details with anything there's always a lot of information that you can't always convey but the way you originally explained it like the first thing when I asked about the nature of

Brian Atlasthe divorce is you said something along the lines of my husband wanted to move to Tennessee my son had this uh water polo career I wanted to stay here I mean

Brian AtlasI'm curious why offer up this detail that now you're saying doesn't matter but at least the way you originally explained it seems like that was a major cause for like the breakdown of the

Brian Atlasrelationship he wanted to move somewhere else you wanted to stay here I guess at the end you came to a mutual understanding but like if you're just telling him no no no I want to stay here

Natalieand you're not kind of going with his will of like I want to move us to Tennessee I mean I don't know mutual agreement and things just

Nataliedidn't develop the way we both planned why did he want to move to Tennessee he wanted to go back to his roots um to the mountains we had a house over there uh

Nataliewe bought together over there it was great the plan was initially to move there but things happen along the way so I guess my question is what was the

Brian Atlasfirst thing he wanted wanted did he want all three of like you your son him well his son also to move to Tennessee no so

Brian Atlasjust to be clear he's married to I guess at that point the love of his life he has a son that he cares about and loves he wants to move and not have you go with do you see where I'm a bit

Natalieconfused he a process we agree on a process but it was the timing the real estate to buy the house with the wrench that we wanted at the time it was a

Nataliegreat opportunity and I say we agree together you go ahead and I do the back and forth until we figure out with ply

Nataliewater poloo in college then we'll see what is the next step along the way he meets somebody and he decide that's what he want

Brian Atlasso so just to be clear he wanted to move but he was fine with you guys from the very beginning the very beginning he was like you guys stay here I mean I have to take

Brian Atlasyour word for it so I'll leave it at that but what about you relationship status um I'm single I've been single for the last six months uh my longest relationship was like two and a half

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