Brian GOES OFF! Man vs. Bear HEATED DEBATE?! She's Single BUT STILL Sees Her Ex?! | Dating Talk #157
Date: 2024-05-01
Duration: 7h 03m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Natalie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Adeline Star(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ashley(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Q / Natalie(guest)
SPEAKER_11Jordan / Jade(guest)
SPEAKER_12Rahima(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lauren(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:20
QuoteBrian Atlas opens show with standard intro
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape”
00:03:28
OtherAdeline Star intro — kick streamer and OnlyFans model from LA
“hi I'm Adeline star I am 26 I live in LA originally from Texas I am a kick streamer and only fans model”
00:05:05
OtherLauren introduces herself as a courtesan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch
“my name is Lauren I'm 31 years old and I am a cortisen at the moonlight bunny ranch and a student”
00:06:01
OtherQ / The Quill introduces herself — behavioral scientist and relationship coach from Raleigh NC
“I'm the Quill I'm 31 from Raleigh North Carolina I'm a behavioral scientist certified relationship coach and a YouTuber book author”
00:21:00
OtherAshley reveals she still sees her ex the morning of the show
“in person yesterday uh yeah yesterday this morning”
00:21:07
OtherAshley confirms ex was cheating during their relationship (not just the break)
“he was doing but was but hold on but was it was it open on his end no it was not open okay so he was cheating on you”
01:07:11
ControversyMan vs. Bear debate introduced — would you rather come across a bear or a man in the woods?
“you're alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or a man you don't know”
01:07:33
OtherAdeline chose 'man' in man vs. bear debate
“know because he might have tools to help and if he's a terrible person then I'll take him out”
01:07:46
OtherRahima chose 'sunbear' (bear) in man vs. bear debate
“assume it's a sunbear and they are very cute so I'm going to choose the bear”
01:11:31
ControversyQ argues bear is statistically more dangerous than a random man in the woods
“the bear is absolutely has a larger probability of hurting you than a man does in the woods and it's that simple”
02:03:41
ControversyBrian rants about no-show guest who sent fake car crash photo — clear skies in Santa Barbara
“she sends us this photo oh my I got into a car crash... you notice the sky you see how overcast it is... it was clear skies all day”
02:05:43
ControversyBrian goes off about weekly guest lies — fake excuses instead of just cancelling
“oh my car broke down some I'm sick blah blah blah it's all lies they always lie they can't just say I'm a piece of I'm just not coming”
02:07:11
QuoteBrian quips that men start podcasts as therapy (vs. women going to actual therapy)
“yeah you know what male therapy is like women go to therapy Men start podcast yeah true”
02:36:18
ControversySelf-ratings round begins — Stiffler's question asks panel to rate looks 1-10
“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead”
02:36:28
OtherRahima rates herself a 10
“10 10 I wasn't feeling my scarf but it's good”
02:36:44
OtherAshley rates herself a 7
“I I hate this question but yeah like a seven”
02:36:56
OtherBrian rates himself a 5 for looks
“I give myself a five”
02:39:37
OtherQ argues beauty standards are objective and cross-culturally consistent (Margot Robbie vs. Leslie Jones tweet)
“beauty is objective there's a consensus about what people will consider attractive and it's based on culturally”
02:41:50
OtherAdeline says she agrees everyone should consider themselves a 10 for self-confidence
“I agree because if you look good and you feel good that's what matters and then you're bringing that positivity into the world”
03:56:40
OtherBrian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife
“I would not be willing in that scenario to take a bullet for her”
04:06:40
ControversyBrian argues the 'bloodline' framing — dying for a woman is worse for his dynasty than surviving
“would it be more masculine and more Alpha to secure your bloodline and go on and survive and have the other person take the bullet”
04:18:10
OtherQ challenges Brian: if cheating 'doesn't mean anything' to men, why should they care?
“the only reason men shouldn't cheat is because women will interpret it wrong”
04:36:03
ControversyForrest Gump analysis — Brian calls it a catastrophe for men: Jenny rejected Forrest, got AIDS, had a kid, came back when he was rich
“she rejects forced Gump he gets rich off of shrimp she gets AIDS and has a kid and then once he's Rich of course then she her even though she rejected him”
Topics Discussed
00:00:20
Intro and guest introductions
Brian opens with announcements. Guests introduce themselves: Adeline Star (kick streamer/OF), Rahima (social media manager), Jordan (gym co-owner, married), Jade Warrick (film producer, Wales), Lauren (Bunny Ranch courtesan), Ashley (real estate), Natalie (political content creator), Q/The Quill (behavioral scientist). Includes Welsh language demonstration from Jade.
00:12:40
Relationship status round
Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Ashley's situation stands out: single 1 year but saw her ex (chiropractor, 31) the morning of the show. Ex cheated during a mutual break; she still loves him; he wants to reconcile. Jordan is married (5 years). Jade met boyfriend when he was on a date with someone else. Lauren (Bunny Ranch) is single; longest relationship 3 years. Rahima broke up during COVID in Bali.
01:07:11
Man vs. Bear debate
Viral TikTok hypothetical: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? Most panel chose 'bear' or deferred. Q and Jordan chose 'man'. Ashley, Lauren, and Rahima chose 'bear'. Brian argues women's preference for bear is social signaling about male distrust. Q counters that bears are statistically more dangerous. Title topic for the show.
01:36:00
Cheating discussion: male vs. female
Which is worse — male or female cheating? Panel and Q debate consequences vs. morality. Q argues female cheating is worse in terms of outcomes (women cheat emotionally, usually end the relationship; men cheat physically, relationship often survives). Lauren argues both are equally wrong. Q explains men's cheating motivation: greedy/novelty-seeking, not emotional dissatisfaction. Extended argument about why men shouldn't cheat if it doesn't mean anything.
01:58:23
Happy wife happy life / 40-50 year marriages
Q asks panel if they subscribe to 'happy wife happy life.' Panel mostly prefers 'balance' or 'happy spouse happy house.' Brian suggests the better phrasing. Q explains women experience more negative emotions in relationships and are more likely to end them, hence the focus on wife's happiness. Discussion extends to whether 40-50 year marriages are a thing of the past — panel says rare but possible; Brian cites feminism, dating apps, and entitlement as factors.
02:03:41
Brian rants about no-show guests
Brian reveals three guests no-showed for this episode. Shows a photo sent by one no-show claiming a car crash — but the photo shows overcast skies while it was a clear day in Santa Barbara. Brian 'goes off' about guests lying with fake excuses weekly (car crashes, family emergencies, traffic). The 'Brian GOES OFF' segment from the title.
02:11:40
What do you bring to a relationship + self-improvement flaws
Brian asks: what three things do you bring to a relationship? Each guest answers. Then: what's one thing you've done wrong in relationships and are working to improve? Highlights: Jade working on jealousy (boyfriend has poly background), Jordan working on not assuming during arguments, Rahima working on not trying to change partners, Ashley working on OCD/cleanliness triggers, Q wishes women understood male behavior differently.
02:23:20
Power couple discussion and Forrest Gump tangent
Brian reads Wikipedia definition of 'super couple / power couple.' Discussion includes what counts as a power couple. Brian goes on a Forrest Gump tangent: argues Jenny rejected Forrest, got AIDS, had a kid, then came back to Forrest after he got rich — 'a love story for women and an absolute catastrophe for men.'
02:36:18
Self-ratings round (looks)
Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Self-ratings: Rahima 10, Adeline 10, Jordan ~9, Lauren ~8.5, Jade ~7, Ashley 7, Q 6 (Brian pushed her up: 'you're more than a 6'), Natalie (not clearly captured), Brian 5. Extended discussion on whether rating yourself a 10 is delusional vs. empowering. Q argues beauty is objective and cross-culturally consistent.
02:36:36
Bumble swipe study
Brian pulls up Bumble and gives each guest 10 swipes on male profiles to observe selectivity. Panel judges based on first photo only. Discussion of what makes men swipeable, consistency of female standards across cultures, Francisco Lachowski (male model) vs. Luis Guzman comparison as masculine vs. conventionally attractive example.
03:05:00
Attraction peak age / when do women peak in looks
Q asks at what age women peak in attractiveness. Answers: Adeline and Jordan say 25-35; Jade says 25 based on genetics; Lauren and Q say around 35; Ashley says mid-to-late 20s; Brian agrees. Brian asks if each guest would fast-forward their looks 10 years with no health impact — Rahima says yes.
03:53:20
Should a man take a bullet for a woman?
Brian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife. Panel debates chivalry, nobility, the bloodline argument (Brian), and sacrifice as the ultimate act of love. Discussion includes trolley problem variant, Genghis Khan dynastic framing, pro-choice vs. pro-life tangent, and whether women's expectation of sacrifice is hypocritical given their own choices. Brian rants about the argument being his 'magic bullet' topic that generates debate with anyone.
Transcript
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04:39:36
Laurenwas going to say have more like sexual discipline in not in my marriage um cuz you know I learned from old relationships but um yeah like
04:39:48
Laurenpornography or wait am I allowed to say that word guy yeah just like looking at other women stuff like that I think having more discipline I noticed that was a trigger for you I noticed that was a trigger for you when I was talking about
04:40:01
Q / Nataliethe infidelity when um earlier in the conversation when I was talking about infidelity and you brought up sexual discipline like you you seem passionate about infidelity I did yeah yeah when we
04:40:13
Q / Nataliehad the conversation he was like are you just saying yeah you like are you just saying a man should cheat you know so so it's coming from experience you've experienced infidelity yeah but that I
04:40:23
Laurendon't think that well I don't know yeah could be could be repressed I mean maybe okay I think it's more just I was like this doesn't make logical sense to me or
04:40:32
Laurenor there like something's there's a component missing but um okay okay all right you got a question Maddie what about you what about me I guess it's for men huh yeah yeah it was yeah it was
04:40:44
Q / Nataliewhat about you for women what what about me for women um I wish women didn't have unrealistic expectations in terms of expecting men
04:40:55
Q / Natalieto behave like women I think a lot of male behavior is perceived and interpreted as if we were women so women behave as if like I stated earlier when
04:41:06
Q / Nataliea guy does something the woman's automatic assumption is it means the same thing or it has the same motivation or intention as it would have if she did
04:41:16
Q / Natalieit so a lot of times I have to explain that I'm Different like it may not be you may not be able to grasp that I have a different sense of motivation on certain things or I have different intent behind certain things than what a
04:41:28
Q / Nataliewoman does but it's the truth and I think a lot of times women struggle with that because their automatic interpretation or perception of what a man does is I would have did it if that were me that would have been the reason
04:41:40
Q / NatalieI did it so that has to to be the reason he did it and I just think that women need to be more understanding about men has have different value systems so a lot of the times if you perceive something that he does to be to have ill
04:41:52
Q / Nataliewill or be bad faith or be spiteful you know things women will do when they're upset you know it's not necessarily that especially like truth telling or being honest like women are a lot more um I would say women believe they're the
04:42:05
Q / NatalieArbiters of Morality In a lot of ways and they're quick to say that makes you a bad person if you do something they dislike or they disagree with whereas men we're just a lot more straightforward we're a lot more objective and logical so a lot of times
04:42:17
Q / Nataliewhen we say things it can come off as abrasive or insensitive but we don't see it that way we just see that there's value in the truth being told as it is whereas women don't necessarily want to they don't necessarily take it that way
04:42:30
Q / Nataliedon't necessarily perceive it that way and that creates a lot of conflict in relationships so yeah so I just I just think there needs to be a better understanding of that men are different and we have different perceptions we have different motivations we have
04:42:42
Q / Nataliedifferent intentions and everything is not always what it seems in terms of as bad faith as it comes off we there's a lot of good intent behind a lot of the things we do even if women dislike it or
04:42:54
Jordandisag with if the guy won't take a bullet for them reminds me of that movie Think Like a Man where they're like reading that book Act Like a Lady Think Like a Man is like best way to love a man and attract the right guy is to um
04:43:05
Jordanact like a lady but also know a man's nature so you can love him in the right way mhm and understand why he does the things he does and thinks the way he does so communicate and be less assumptive yes I agree yep last thing on the bullet
04:43:20
Brian Atlasthing just want to just want to clarify cuz some people will just assume the worst obviously I'd protect if I was dating somebody I'd protect them to the best of my
04:43:31
Laurenability just won't take a bullet for them then that's not the best of your ability uh well period
04:43:42
Brian Atlasokay let me ask you a question cool you're employed right you can make overtime and your employer says well you just work as much as you want but you want a healthy work life balance but the maximum productivity and the best thing
04:43:54
Brian Atlasfor the employer would would be for you to work 12h hour days 5 days a week but you only are inclined to do 9h hour days 5 days a
04:44:04
Rahimaweek you're not giving it your all your best I don't think those a correlation between your loved one and your work
04:44:14
Brian Atlasyour employer asking you to work 12 hours right but like sometimes doing the maximum thing that you can do isn't always the right
04:44:24
Brian Atlasthing true and in this scenario I don't think the maximum way you could protect Somebody by sacrific well technically yes if you dying for somebody
04:44:38
Laurentechnically yes that would be the maximum thing that you could do to protect somebody but not going to do it okay that's fine but you said you would do it to the best of your ability and I said if you won't take a bll it's not your
04:44:50
Brian Atlasbest of your ability so yeah you're not maximizing it so just don't say to the best of your ability just say I'll try the maximum the the maximum willingness the best maximum ability does not
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Jordan / Jadefriend read it oh rip oh streamyards not sources sources okay I'd Die For That lady in the middle and there may be other women
04:47:29
Jordan / Jadewho would be worthy of dying for but they'd have to be honorable loyal Souls whom yes I'd feel it complete what
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Jordan / Jadecompleting to die for but you're wanting men to die for you just cause yeah [ __ ] that that sounded so bad in my accent it
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Brian Atlassounded it was great it was beautiful sounded terrible um it was beautiful I don't know where what were we talking about before I think it sounded good we
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Brian Atlaswere talking about still the bullet thing Ste the bullet the bullet please move
04:48:05
Brian Atlason the girls love it I'll I'll ask one final question one final question on it why why why should men take a bullet for
04:48:15
Adeline Starwomen why that's my question go ahead oh my God I think it's obviously we know where your values stand but it's about your
04:48:27
Adeline Starvalues your integrity your nobility and whether you can live with yourself or not and if you want to carry that so
04:48:36
Adeline Starthose are those are the reasons why I feel like that's just the standard if you love her you take a bullet for
04:48:49
Jordanher because it's honorable dutiful sacrificial love is like the ultimate Act of nobility period because I thought it was just a
04:49:01
Jordanbuilt-in feature she just thought in the system it was in the system I guess I was wrong I just it's just for Brian it's not not in his
04:49:12
Laurensystem he's an Android well I'm just's iPhone Android I'll let everybody's I'll give every wait for go ahead um why should I I don't think they should I just think that um if they say they love
04:49:24
Laurenme and there's no kids involved then I would hope
04:49:31
Laurenbut she said if you love them you would die for them yeah I agree I think the Bible says like knows no greater than this that um
04:49:43
Laurenone would lay down his life for his friend so yeah
04:49:51
Jordan / Jadeyeah so then you said it's just built into men I I thought it was a built-in feature for all men I I let me ask you a
04:50:00
Brian Atlasquestion as a man if I say all women are somehow Duty bound to have children mhm they must have children would you object to that it doesn't matter what they
04:50:12
Jordan / Jadethink they have to have children would you object to that are you saying women should have children like you would force them to or do you mean like it buil in just Gerald donated
04:50:23
Brian Atlas$69 sorry about the stream dropping that's my bat I'll send the bear over to fix it yeah yo Gerald yeah it's probably the I don't know it's probably the
04:50:33
Brian Atlasalcohol blame it on the okay alol do you mean like um it should be built into women as that should be built into men well this is Nat uh wait I always forget
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Jordan / Jadesomething know thank you appreciate it hi I I asked the question sorry oh I was yeah okay um do you mean as in women should have that like innate Drive in
04:51:07
Brian Atlasthem to have children just as men should have that innate drive to to lay down their life or what do you mean by that question well if women can have the position of my expectation for a man is that he's willing to die for me then what would be the
04:51:20
Jordan / Jadecorresponding demand from men I think yes biologically for the you know continuent of continuent is that the word for the
04:51:30
Jordan / Jadecontinuing of the human race it probably should be built into us I don't know if that's going to be the case any longer given that we're really fusing with technology and we do seem to be like
04:51:41
Brian Atlasevolving into a different species Al together um but let me ask you a question would you guys all say here that a woman who doesn't want to have children she's not
04:51:54
Brian Atlasfeminine would you say that to a woman who doesn't want to have kids no no no slightly who doesn't want to or who can't who doesn't want
04:52:07
Brian Atlastoin I'll just get go around the table and just get a definitive answer from everybody I would I wouldn't say that that's not feminine
04:52:20
Jordanno I would say that yeah you're a little less feminine if you don't want children wouldn't say it's a bad thing but yeah is it masculine to want to have
04:52:33
Brian Atlaschildren no he's asking like would it be less I'm trying to think of I'm trying to think of a counter point to me not being willing to die for a woman so I'm trying to figure out if that's the
04:52:44
Brian Atlasexpectation on men what's the like equivalent frankly there is none what's the equivalent gender expectation on women yeah I was just saying don't men and women want to procreate that's true I don't think it's thing it's
04:52:57
Laurenprocreation thing well maybe it's more the strong dying for the weak the same way a woman would die for a child yeah yeah okay fine if a woman gets an abortion is she less feminine
04:53:13
Ashleyyes yes and no yeah because femininity would nurture a child I also think you don't want to have kids you are not as feminine you're not in your feminine en I'm not quite finding the best example I
04:53:24
Brian Atlasdon't know what it is there cuz frankly there is no there's no sacrifices that that women take on that is comparable to men being willing for
04:53:35
Brian Atlasher kid for her child death dying for her child okay sacrificing her life for but I suppose so that's the man doing something for the woman what is something that a woman can do for a man
04:53:47
TTSgender solid donated $69 Brian already said it earlier women expect chivalry but don't reciprocate with Chastity that's actually very very
04:53:57
Jordanwell put um but again it's but who is your partner that I mean obviously you're you're looking for a woman with chassid so we're saying if you're with a
04:54:08
Jordanwoman who had who is very feminine who is very traditional say she she checks all of your boxes you wouldn't lay down your life for her she wouldn't be deserving of that he
04:54:19
Jordanalready said no I wouldn't do it in any scenario but but his point was that but you know you wouldn't do it for a modern woman
04:54:30
Laurenuh do you think that that that woman the one who's like not the Modern Woman the one that's has the traits that you're Desiring do you think she's going to go for someone like like you who won't lay
04:54:42
Laurendown their life for her that's a good question probably not probably not care so are you prepared to be single for the rest of your life like come on let's be
04:54:53
Jordanlet's be real you should you should reset your expectations just a smidge who I should change my expectations this is crazy if if you're
04:55:04
Brian Atlasnot willing to die for a woman you're just never going to find a woman it's the love of your life it's the mother of your kids we're not just talking about blanket woman the kind of woman that you
04:55:14
Brian Atlassay you want that's only men have to do anything to make themselves appealing to women women don't have to do anything y'all don't have to meet any
04:55:25
Ashleystandards or boundar I don't believe that's true either I think that women are far more picky than men are and that's okay that's how it should women have higher standard which is why women should have
04:55:36
Brian Atlasso many like such a big body count as well they should have standards okay yeah I'm still trying to like find though so what would be the
04:55:48
Laurencorresponding thing that women are supposed to do for men have babies have their children raise them well okay if that's the ultimate yeah so if a woman
04:56:00
Brian Atlasis not willing to do that does that make her a I don't know if beta really does that make her less feminine does that make her less
04:56:09
Brian Atlasdeserving of having a partner answer the question if what because all of you said let me let me just rewind the tape here because my position is that I'm not willing to you can hide it for a bit
04:56:22
Brian Atlasdidn't we already show that one no it just popped up did it okay oh my bad same um all of you here said that because I am not willing to die for a
04:56:32
Brian Atlasgirlfriend or wife or whatever it is that that makes me beta it makes me less masculine it makes me a feminite it makes me not
04:56:43
Brian Atlasmasculine what would be the corresponding thing that a woman refuses to do for a man that would make her less feminine or a [ __ ] sleep around promiscuity not have children yeah I
04:56:56
Q / Nataliethink not have children children the big one that's the biggest one I would say because to his to his to his defense he asked would that make women less feminine if they decided not to have kids what am I
04:57:09
Q / Nataliepreserving if you're not going to have kids if you don't value having children then what the [ __ ] am I lay my life on the line for if you're not going to continue my genetic Legacy right I agree with that CU we're all animals and that's yeah we're not we're I mean we we
04:57:21
Jordanwould understand if you if you're not willing to lay down your your life for a woman who like doesn't share the same vales share the same values that you are like looking for we're staying for like
04:57:32
Ashleythe ultimate woman like the woman of your dreams you wouldn't do that for dream do we I don't well like okay we're romanticizing it by
04:57:44
Ashleysaying so why don't you just entertain my hypothetical okay but it's a woman that that shares the same values and and holds thems to a regard that you would admire it's just it's it's look it's a
04:57:58
Brian Atlasvery gynocentric attitude that men ought to sacrifice their life for women it's very
04:58:07
Brian Atlashow is it how could that possibly not be woman focused that men need to die for women that's incredibly female centered going to have a hard time finding
04:58:19
TTSsomething that is just that equal but also love doesn't keep count we do just so I'm clear because real Trump donated $69 as men we are supposed to literally
04:58:30
TTSsink with the Titanic and freeze to death to save women but the minute we ask her to make a sandwich iron a shirt or rub our back where the misogynist dirt you guys are talking about the
04:58:41
Ashleyworst like the not the women that would deserve to take a bullet from them like of course if my man wants his back rubbed and he's providing like his share of the relationship of course I'm going to want to do all the things exactly
04:58:54
Ashleymasculine wom bring out our feminine comparing it to like girls that are just like out here in the streets they don't care they're just trying to be like taken care of for her hold on but here's the here's the issue right you got a
04:59:07
Brian Atlasbunch of modern women who are not traditional in any sense who still demand traditional treatment from men that isue I disagree with them that's an issue yeah that is an issue
04:59:18
Brian Atlasthat's a real issue okay but like let's take it to let's take it to one of the ultimate things that a woman can do to be a traditional woman which is to be a virgin until you meet your life partner
04:59:29
Brian Atlashow many of you have a body count of one or zero what is your
04:59:38
Laurenpoint that what is your actual point I'll rest I'll restate again what I've already said but what doesn't matter because you don't even care if they're virgins you still won't lay down your
04:59:49
Brian Atlaslife for them and if they arein or not but I'm just I'm playing I'm playing on the same level because it's for T because yes here I'll explain
05:00:00
Brian Atlaswhy because you have non-traditional women who will still get and still expect the traditional treatment from
05:00:08
Brian Atlasmen and that's B a girl who who's promiscuous and who's who's not modest and who's your argument is should not
05:00:19
Brian Atlasget a take we all we all want to get the maximum that we can get right so I don't I don't see any objections at all to me not not subscribing y'all want equality
05:00:32
Brian Atlasy'all you know feminism is here to stay I'm I'm adapting to The New Normal okay feminism is here to stay right let me here let me seems like it's serving you
05:00:42
Brian Atlasseems like you look I don't even know I I'd just be curious like what would be the equivalent thing a woman
05:00:53
Jordancould say where y'all would dog pile her and be like you're not you guys aren't feminine blah blah blah okay Q why would
05:01:01
Q / Natalieyou sacrifice your life for the woman you love cuz I'm sexist elaborate but Nevan sexism women are women are
05:01:13
Q / Nataliemore vulnerable creatures they're weaker and I just would be inclined to do it because I feel is that my duty I wouldn't be able to live with myself if
05:01:21
Jordanthe girl that I love died on my hands okay so difference of opinion sure I don't and look if a guys with him so yeah you guys should just have that
05:01:34
Brian Atlasconversation I mean but his point is his point still is valid I mean he doesn't have to do it nobody saying he has to you guys for like the last hour you guys are literally saying you're you're going
05:01:46
Brian Atlasto be single for don't have with you you don't have to do it but it doesn't make you right for not we you don't have to it's just crazy the the gender expectations on men of you have to lay
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Q / Nataliedown your life for me so are you trying to change our mind I'm just debating it's just a moral quander because he really has he doesn't have to
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Rahimaso it's like yeah that's what we've been saying me I do it out of love here's a good example you're on a plane they always say put your mask over your child's face for or no put your sorry
05:02:22
Rahimamost people because they say that because most people will put a air mask on their child before themselves most mothers will put you know try to save their child before themselves that's the expectation of a mother but if the
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Rahimamother tries to save herself before a child that's the same scenario it is they can do that but obviously society's going to look bad at the
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Jordanmother okay I mean I mean what would you want your wife mother of your kids to do save herself first or save your kids yeah would you would you be with a woman who wouldn't be willing to lay
05:02:56
Rahimayour life well now we're introducing the child component into it which more innoc I just think you're still stuck on this typal that's an expectation of most moms
05:03:07
Brian AtlasI mean I would just simply I'm trying to what was the question I was demanding be answered but nobody answered it I forgot what's the equivalent to a man the parallel yeah a woman a woman
05:03:19
Brian Atlassacrificing her life for her child okay I mean look I'll just again it's Instinct again I I think perhaps the ultimate form of something that a woman
05:03:31
Brian Atlascould give to a man would be virginity no I think it would be you think it's a smaller okay but so if if men value um sexual Purity in
05:03:43
Brian Atlaswomen then I mean what what's or did I already ask what's the bigger ask asking someone to die or a woman being a virgin yes
05:03:53
Jordanokay well but what would you value more than Brian would you value being with a woman who's a virgin but she can't have kids or being with a woman who's had two bodies before you but she gave you five
05:04:04
Brian Atlaskids if I want to have kids then yeah the woman with the two bodies if I don't want to have kids the Virgin so we're saying what do you want kids or no kids
05:04:16
Laurenuh it's very likely yes that I want to have kids okay a would you be with a woman who wasn't willing to lay down her life for her kids I going with that okay
05:04:26
Brian Atlasum I mean we're kind I don't know if that's totally related but um it's an expectation yes I suppose I would hope that she would be willing to uh sacrifice herself for the children was what if she said no what if she thought
05:04:38
Brian Atlaslike you did I but if she had a brain like you what you mean every woman who wouldn't be willing to sacrifice herself for me okay I'm you mean do you mean the status quo you mean
05:04:51
Ashleythe status quo that's the thing when you're in love with a person like that girl would do that for you too I would do it for my partner as well but okay only one person can do it and if your
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Q / Natalieanswer is I want the guy to lay down his life for me then you can't both die I had this I had this conversation too I was like yeah women can say I would do it but would you actually though hide
05:05:12
Brian Atlasbehind you I would do it for someone you love I would get in there I think that's different look it's not just women it's i' still I would still absolutely attempt to if I'm dating a girl I would
05:05:23
Brian Atlasabsolutely protect her if there's a [ __ ] Intruder breaking in I'm grabbing the gun and I'm going to dispatch the [ __ ] why behind her again we're talking why though standing behind why that
05:05:37
Brian Atlasscenario okay mean I could just look I'll just turn this around on you none of y'all are virgins I could just dunk on you all night I could dunk on you all night none of you arein you probably had
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Laurenprobably had multiple sexual partners yeah big deal okay Brian okay moving on would you be with a girl who wouldn't die for your kids you would you be with
05:05:59
Brian Atlasher if she did her best right to her ability MH yeah mhm ah I mean it's a look this is very complicated question probably uh
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Brian Atlasi' probably want I would I would want a partner that would be willing because I would that would be willing to lay their L their life on the line for their kids I would I would want her to do the same
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Ashleybut when I'm talking about partner to partner I wouldn't sacrifice my life for my partner okay I guess at this point it's just a preference of like what type
05:06:32
Laurenof we can all agree to disag she could use your logic and say well I'll just continue the bloodline and have other kids this kid can die whatever and we'll
05:06:44
Laurenjust make more kids right I think it's a little dystopian that's logic comes from a woman like cuz we expect a woman to be like nurturing and motherly and I think that like I would we expect men to be
05:06:55
Laurenprotected yeah and but I think it's almost even scarier if it comes from because you're like wow like I'm scared like I don't know like I think a creepy woman is creepier than a creepy man I
05:07:07
Brian Atlasthink if you love someone brother Mother whatever you're going to want to bed on your life for them period let me ask you a question right would you think it's wrong like so let's be realistic about the current dating landscape a lot of
05:07:19
Brian Atlaswomen who aren't necessarily bad people but a lot of women are dating multiple men at the same time sleeping with multiple men at the same time I don't think it necessarily means they're like
05:07:30
Brian Atlasbad people necessarily but it's a kind of a shady way to move especially if there's a guy who's genuinely interested in you and he's not moving that way right um we talk about chivalry it would
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TTSbe the chivalrous thing the gentlemanly thing to go ahead and sacrifice your life Lo [ __ ] Energy donated $69 guys are supposed to take a bullet
05:07:52
TTSfor gross ran through 304s that won't bow or submit to their man yeah no thanks you guys are still here's your equality bullet Abdul is pulling the
05:08:02
Ashleylever now # get the Rocks number 8 at 18 get the Rocks like you guys are not even talking about high value like yeah that makes sense are you a high value woman I would think so you said that it didn't even matter if they
05:08:16
Jordanwere modest in all wouldn't do it so what doesn't matter why bring this kind of these points have you know stand no ground because it doesn't matter either way yeah for you said it doesn't matter high
05:08:27
Adeline Starvalue low value whatever you wouldn't do it we get that there is an inequality here we get that there is no parallel to
05:08:36
Adeline Starthis we get it we understand your values are different than what everyone at this table desire out of a man yeah well I'm
05:08:47
Brian Atlassure perhaps I'm an that liar I'm perhaps making I'm making the argument somewhere I'm making the argument for other men which one for Morality argument how you going to be another guy
05:08:59
Brian Atlasand lay like lay your life on the line for a girl that's moving in this sort of way I agree with that that was women my dear you want a guy on a first date to sacrifice his life for you you just had
05:09:12
Brian Atlasa cuddle session with your boyfriend today not true if a guy went on a date with you tonight even though you claim to be single for a year let me ask you a question if you if a guy asked you out on a date would you tell him you've been
05:09:24
Ashleysingle for a year would that be your genuine answer yeah but I would also tell him that I'm still yeah I'm still figuring things out with my ex and you want that guy to lay his life on the
05:09:36
Brian Atlasline with you here's the scenar let me paint the scenario you're still you are still hung up on your ex you hung out with him this morning let's say you went
05:09:47
Brian Atlason a date with a guy tonight instead of coming on this podcast he lays his life on the line with you how quickly after he just sacrificed his life for with for
05:09:57
Brian Atlasyou are you talk to your ex hanging out with your ex-boyfriend here's the thing I'm not the question answer the no no no no no what's your question answer the question what's your question how soon
05:10:08
Brian Atlasafter this first date of yours lays his life onine not go then hang out with my ex would well you you're despite you being broken up you hung out with him
05:10:20
Ashleyyesterday and today okay I would suspect you would actually probably immediately go to him out on a date with a guy though like here's the thing I don't just go out on dates anyway so I'm going out on a date with a guy no don't weas
05:10:32
Laurendon't weasel out of it answer the question people lay their lives stop stop stop st stop answer the question and that's a how soon after this guy lays his life
05:10:44
Brian Atlasdown for you are you hanging out with your ex I'm not never that's that's the precipitating factor in you finally ending this toxic no that's not what I'm saying relationship I don't no that's
05:10:55
Ashleylike such a hypothetical that I wouldn't within a week how often do you see him how often do you see him currently I don't know like once a week so would you see him within the week I'm supposed to lay lay down my life for a girl my
05:11:08
Ashleysituation is different so now you're just kind of like you're kind of just trying to dunk on me now obviously no I'm just you yeah because my situation is like the worst situation here
05:11:20
TTSCatholic minks donated $69 false many of them will kill their own babies before they are born why do we think after the child is born it will
05:11:31
Brian Atlasbe any different they put themselves first already um who's there's Wonder just to be clear there's absolutely
05:11:42
Brian Atlaswonderful women out there virtuous women women who don't move Shady like that aren't promiscuous don't have a high body count absolutely but there's a
05:11:53
Brian Atlaslarge portion a a lot of women who do move kind of shady who are dating multiple guys who are still hung up on the next Who's Alpha widowed who will go right back to that ex after you do the
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Ashleychivalrous thing and lay down your life for her and then she'll be that's not true I think I would feel so badly if a guy laid down his life for me go ahead no keep going yeah that's psychotic that's like crazy for me to then just go
05:12:18
Brian Atlasto my ex like ptic would you not lay your life down for that's what it's going to take that's what it's going to take that's relationship with your ex for a guy to die I'm telling you that I would even I
05:12:29
Ashleywould even delete myself for people I don't know and whether or not you want to believe that that's totally fine cut things off with her ex before delete yeah that's exactly it like if I'm going
05:12:41
Ashleyout on a date with a guy I'm not I'm not like having my ex I'm not seeing my ex like that like I actually have to like the guy and be like okay I'm going to invest my time and my energy and this guy's different in some way but I'm not
05:12:54
Brian Atlaslike trying to like juggle both at the same time do you think it's a sexist sexist statement to say that women this isn't my just okay preface
05:13:04
Brian Atlasdisclaimer I don't necessarily believe this I'm just using using using an example don't [ __ ] clip me you guys do you think it would be a sexist statement for someone to say women's job
05:13:15
Brian Atlasis in the kitchen women's job is to make a man a sandwich do you object to that framework yeah cuz it can so just to be clear wait do you think it's do you do you object
05:13:28
Jordanto the statement yes or no quick answers please yes yeah we can get door Das is it is it sexist is that your question yeah what's the question exactly is it wrong women's job is the kitchen yes is
05:13:40
Jordanthat wrong to say that's framed so horribly yeah that's wrong the happy question just answer the question bad connotation answer the question it
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Jordan / Jadesounds terrible but in a way I do kind of agree I'm sorry yes I gu it's wrong I I think it's wrong saying it's their job kitchen I don't think it's wrong I think
05:13:58
Brian Atlasit's a part of our job okay what about you sorry the question one more time is it wrong to say that women's job is I
05:14:09
Brian Atlasmean the other one is like Barefoot pregnant and in the in the kitchen yeah no is that wrong to say that's women's
05:14:20
Laurenjob women's job is in the kitchen yeah um I need to think about this sorry I know it seems simple wrong yes or
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Jordan / Jadeno okay I just don't like it's worded now I think all of you said yes it's wrong yeah I said it's m because like as
05:14:41
Jordan / Jadeanimals that is our job like you know with our biology like um those owls youve see the videos of them they go out the men go out and they're constantly hunting and they bring back the food for
05:14:52
Jordan / Jadethe wom and the babies and sorry so the owls go out and they bring back the food the men are always out providing and it's just in our nature so okay so why
05:15:02
Jordan / Jadeis it so it's wrong though no um no no no I'm saying that like genetically it is correct I just think that that is such a a loaded statement and because of the way that we're evolving right now
05:15:14
Brian Atlasand how women are they're not like that anymore that it rubs them the wrong way they're not thank you for making thank you all of you for making my argument if you're prepared to say that it's wrong
05:15:25
Brian Atlasthat a woman ought to be cooking in the kitchen how is it not orders of Mag hold on let me finish don't interrupt stop let me actually make my point how is it
05:15:37
Brian Atlasnot orders of magn itude more objectionable and sexist and disgusting to say that men are disposable and men need to lay down their lives for women
05:15:47
Brian Atlasmen need to die for women I I don't know if if this is I'm living in a fantasy land here that seems way
05:15:56
Brian Atlas[ __ ] worse way more of a raw deal that men need to die and women have to be in the kitchen seriously why is it only sexist when it's anything that impacts women but if
05:16:09
Brian Atlasit men that's your traditional that's your role that's your role as a man you're a beta male you're a feminite you're not masculine but as a woman I want to be a boss babe go girl you can be a boss babe that's sexist if you say
05:16:22
Ashleythat women should be in the kitchen because I'll perceive it as degrading we I did not say that I agree with that fact that women do J kitchen she the only one at the table but y'all
05:16:35
Ashleyperceive that intuitively that's degrading to y'all no no I here's the thing IE with it I don't like the way it's worded but we're we're we're sens we're like we're in our emotions of course the way things are going to be
05:16:48
Brian Atlassaid let me hold on let me actually address the tone thing here it was the way you said it it was totally the way you said it hold on let me address nobody saying here die I'll even double down I'll even double down your job is
05:17:00
Brian Atlasto die for us nobody saying let let's talk about tone for a sec so I would argue even if the tone is as polite and F favorable as it can be if you frame
05:17:11
Brian Atlasthe if you frame that men ought to die for women and if you say in the most polite way ah dear men I really think you guys it would be I'm trying to think
05:17:22
Brian Atlasof it would be really great if you guys could die could die for women versus if I were to say damn these [ __ ] got to be in the [ __ ] kitchen these [ __ ]
05:17:33
Brian Atlas[ __ ] I would still argue that you saying it politely that men should die is still orders of magnitude worse than a man being a raging misogynist saying
05:17:45
Adeline Starwomen [ __ ] these [ __ ] [ __ ] ought to be in the [ __ ] kitchen Brian we acknowledge the inequality we understand you should not
05:17:53
Adeline Starwork in sales thing there is inequality in this specific scenario yes yeah you have a calling and maybe it's not fair but it's
05:18:04
Brian Atlasyour all of you objected again it's orders of magnitude a bigger ask for a guy to lay down his life and die for a woman than for a guy to be like you
05:18:15
Brian Atlasbelong in the kitchen you're saying you belong in a grave which one's worse no it's comparable you don't needful about it you don't need to say
05:18:26
Adeline Stardifferent one's really bad and one's it's just from one to the other like it's kind of is you saying that's our only purpose
05:18:37
Adeline Staryeah that's the where we have but it's that's where we have the issue is women belong in the kitchen my whole job is K I'll give you a more fair I'll give you I'll try to give you one
05:18:50
Brian Atlasmore last Fair example then we'll move on um okay so uh do you okay let me think how I want to frame this precisely uh is it
05:19:02
Adeline Staruh H [ __ ] I kind of lost it because there is no parallel and we acknowled that not what if we say it sucks tough okay
05:19:14
Brian Atlashere's the question do you think a guy who's not willing to lay down his life for his wife do you think that should preclude him from uh like being eligible for
05:19:24
Brian Atlasmarriage no hold on that let me frame it people losers all the time sure but like do you think that he's marriage worthy not for me do you think do you think
05:19:34
Rahimathat man should be able to uh get a mate anyone should be a to find love yeah it's just I think okay I don't think mass murderer should find love yeah but
05:19:44
Brian Atlasyou it's like that song like how deep is your love like that one song Maybe not like Psychopaths is it okay do you think men
05:19:56
Brian Atlaswho are not willing do you think men who are not willing to lay down their lives for their
05:20:04
Laurenwives uh are worthy of that woman depends on the woman woman okay with it that's fine but if she's notable in terms of society do you think it's do
05:20:15
Brian Atlasyou think it's uh Good Conduct on the man's part no no no
05:20:24
Brian Atlasno okay so final question then um do you [ __ ] I feel like the framing is [ __ ] on this um the way I wanted to
05:20:35
Brian Atlasframe it was like okay if men who aren't AR willing to lay down their lives they shouldn't get married I would just ask if women aren't virgins should they be you know good mates for
05:20:50
Laurenmarriage yeah yeah yeah is this supposed to be like an own I just don't see how it's an own cuz you just can get married if you don't want to lay it down not trying to own for a woman that's fine
05:21:01
Rahimathat's your project your prerogative and there's probably a woman who agrees with that I just don't think Society it's honorable just don't get with the girl that has caught So Many Bodies Okay like there's no Nuance in
05:21:13
Brian Atlaswhat you're saying at all will you I'm going I'm curious would you guys be submissive to a boyfriend I
05:21:21
TTSwas about to ask yeah yeah yes yes yes a boyfriend real Trump donated
05:21:32
TTS$69 like I said we get to turn into human popsicles in the Atlantic while the women stay alive on top of a floating door I won't even give up a
05:21:42
Brian Atlasseat for a pregnant woman anymore thanks feminism not B feminism like the world is going back fism real Trump thank you uh you were about to say I mean if he
05:21:53
Laurenshows up and in all the ways then yes you would be submissive yeah okay um to a husband yeah but I mean I think you can still have those like qualities
05:22:03
Laurenwhile you're dating you like go from being I don't know like com let's say you're married let's say you're married to a guy I don't know how this is going to it just it just popped up into my
05:22:15
Brian Atlasmind I've never used this question before but you're dating a guy or sorry you're married to a guy
05:22:23
Brian Atlasand he tells you he wants you to vote a certain way perhaps you disagree with do you will and he says I want you
05:22:34
Brian Atlasto vote for this this than this or this politician h even though maybe you don't although there's there's a deeper thing there well if your values don't align
05:22:44
Brian Atlaspolitically I don't know yeah just answer the uh would you would you be like yes husband I will vote for this politician who you're instructing he believes that that's going to benefit us
05:22:55
Adeline Staras a whole and us as a household and that's going to help us in the long term then I'm going to trust his judgment and cast my vote on what he says I think yeah if I'm dating someone and they like
05:23:08
Jordanknew my values and what I wanted and they support that then there's going to be reason behind it but I would also ask follow-up questions so biblically we are as Christians we are supposed to submit to
05:23:20
Jordanour husband unless it's dishonorable to God so in certain scenarios we do not have to submit to everything but we still need to have submissive qualities
05:23:30
Jordan / Jadesure um would I agree with his vote and do it like as he tells me to mhm he's like I want you to vote for this B ician perhaps you don't I'm going to vote more
05:23:42
Laurenemotionally so I'd rather follow his logic okay I'd say you know me um I I want to know why and so I I'd want to I'd want a little like not like a debate but I'd be like tell me why I should as
05:23:54
Laurenopposed to what I think about this person and if your logic is better then I'll be swayed yes because if I'm submitting to a man I'm trusting him
05:24:05
Brian Atlaswholeheartedly yes and these two girls gave like perfect answers sure it was my first time that just popped into my head not sure if it was the greatest uh good one thing but let me get into some of my
05:24:17
Brian Atlasnotes here I'll try to get through them as quickly as possible some a lot of you provided some pre-show notes so we will try our best to get into it uh rahima you said you once went on a first date and ended up in
05:24:31
RahimaTijuana what tell us a quick story there um quick story I turned 21 and I matched with this guy who went to my school and none of my friends were 21 so I really wanted to go to the club and we were
05:24:43
Rahimadriving to the club but then I realized that we were driving a little South and then then he was like do you have your passport and I'm like I
05:24:51
Rahimado and then we got there and we went to a club called Hong Kong in Tiana and he met a lady of the night cuz I didn't want to sleep with him um and then I had to call my mom and two family out of
05:25:04
AshleyTiana oh my God and I ran into on campus too the hell is that why you keep your passport on you now just in case you never never
05:25:14
Brian Atlasknow never know never know C you trying to go to TJ tonight we can have fun opposite way uh can I have you read
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Jordan / Jadethis one please Slayer GTX thank you for the 69 Euro nobility standard is it Noble and standard for you to not keep your body at Temple for the person whom
05:25:34
Jordan / Jadeyou love and flaunt it just because you can Brian not dying for women isn't bad when the calculation is this generation AI Partners
05:25:47
Brian Atlaswhen I yeah appreciate it Slayer look I just there are absolutely wonderful women out there virtuous women great women perhaps even women that you know
05:25:58
Brian Atlasabsolutely would be worth doing that for um I just can't in good conscious knowing the current dating landscape
05:26:07
Brian Atlasjust brought God brush generally advis men to lay down their life for any given woman um I just can't paint with that broad brush the current dating
05:26:19
Brian Atlaslandscape's absolutely [ __ ] there's great people out there there's a lot of bad people out there I guess I can meet you there I get that Brian okay
05:26:28
Brian Atlasbeautiful uh yeah I mean but uh yeah I don't know and uh just seems like you know in order for there to be chivalry
05:26:39
Brian Atlasthere has to be some corresponding behavior on women's part to you know be deserving of said chivalry you don't
05:26:49
Brian Atlasjust get to be a modern woman but still expect to get chivalrous treatment can't be I think we all agree with you on that one yeah yeah well how many women are
05:27:00
Jordanladies let's say I can't give you a number are you asking which one of us uh I don't know but I mean I think there's a massive for example what are you say well what would be like the
05:27:11
TTScorresponding chivalrous women don't really are chivalrous but real Trump donated $69 feminism has given us the talking corpse Joe Biden and what has that
05:27:22
TTSgotten us high gas prices crazy inflation Wars all over the world and pregnant men only the goat D Trump can fix this mess
05:27:34
Brian Atlasyeah uh thank you man appreciate it appreciate it I just think what the corresponding like chival chivalry thing for women they don't have having babies and nurturing them and raising them well
05:27:46
Brian AtlasI mean I'm I'm talking more so from like a behav behavioral behavioral conduct thing I mean I see a total lack of modesty among a large swath of women
05:27:56
Brian Atlasmodesty's gone promiscuity is rampant and I just it occurs to me that given the current climate that it's not clear to me if you're deserving of chalous
05:28:09
Ashleytreatment that's why the good ones are gems now Brian and you'll find one wait what's that the good ones are gems now and you'll find one yeah they'll be more rare and just more precious to you more
05:28:20
Brian Atlasspecial to you yeah anyways I promise we we will try to avoid going back to uh that thing we read we read this one right pretty pleased with theer on we'll get through the notes Let's see we
05:28:31
Brian Atlaswere oh yeah really quick guys go to twitch.tv whatever can you highlight the thing over there it's twitch.tv it's uh guys twitch.tv whatever drop us
05:28:43
Brian Atlasa follow drop us a prime sub if you have one uh you can bring it back to the other one okay and then you disagreed not really into the red pill stuff I don't really consider myself red pill
05:28:55
Rahimareally I don't know I not like so what what are your disagreements on that I just I want on another podcast
05:29:03
Brian Atlasand oh you are on the Miami one mhm yeah I thought I recognized you from some like I've seen her somewhere before and they were did you get kicked off no no I
05:29:16
Brian Atlasdid not okay he was on a Ty about something else okay that's it just you didn't [ __ ] with the podcast okay whatever uh we have
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Jordan / JadeJade you said you're mixed feminist and traditionalist MH what do you mean by that I think um OG feminists where you know I want women to be able to vote and you know dress how they like and and I
05:29:39
Jordan / Jadewant women to have you know their freedom and their artistic expression like I don't want to hide anything from anyone like that's not my place but for me personally I I want a more
05:29:51
Jordan / Jadetraditional relationship and I want to be more traditional I was raised by my grandparents and I I wish I was more like my grandma she was stunning you said that women should be able to wear
05:30:02
Jordan / Jadewhatever they want what I mean by that is I don't want to tell a woman like oh I I don't like how your dress cuz you're not traditional it's like I'm never going to tell a woman what to wear I just personally am just like I there's
05:30:14
Jordan / Jadecertain things I wouldn't wear oh she's saying we should have the choice yeah but for me I want a more traditional relationship and like people ask me like why I wear corsets I love corsets cuz they're like old fashioned and even though this one is a little bit more
05:30:26
Jordan / Jaderunchy um you did say come dress like you're on a date or something and you know I I like wearing traditional clothing too like Victorian era clo clothing it's really weird bachor girls they were like the first feminists is
05:30:40
Jordan / Jadethat the definition of feminism have you ever a b have choice is that the really tight one no those those are fun I mean I do want to dig in a little
05:30:51
Brian Atlasbit there on the women should be able to wear whatever they want I don't disagree with you necessarily what about tattoos
05:31:01
Jordan / Jadebut I I don't want tattoos on me I have like commitment issues with tattoos um but I I see some and I'm like it's a work of art it means something to you there's tribal tattoos traditional
05:31:12
Jordan / Jadetattoos Celtic Welsh tattoos that are gorgeous but I just I can't have them mhm but you know if you want them do it okay you said you had a dating Horror
05:31:22
Jordan / JadeStory the perfect man on paper do you want to tell us that um you crying no just like it's terrible um so he's a
05:31:34
Jordan / Jaderespectable like businessman um well spoken highly educated multiple languages to me it was this is a great guy you know he could have a fantastic like future ahead of him I see a lot of
05:31:45
Jordan / Jadepotential in him and um we were going on a date and his phone was blowing up and I was like he's a businessman it's okay I'm not going to get jealous um but then as I was leaving his house I saw a woman
05:31:57
Jordan / Jadecoming up in like an Uber or something and I was like H interesting and I asked around and I was like hey do you know this this guy I just met him the other week and he seems perfect they're like
05:32:08
Jordan / Jadeyeah he has a carousel of women and he gets through about 4 a day and I was like that's incredible and you said rotating weekly is that correct so I found out from
05:32:20
Jordan / Jadethese girls whether it's true or not but there were similar stories from all of them that he would see you know multiple women in a day and he had like his set of women that he would rotate like this is my Wednesday afternoon this is going
05:32:33
Jordan / Jadeto be my Saturday morning and we're going to go play badminton or whatever badon I was like you know what I'm was it bad Mitten oh no no you're fine you're fine sorry um and so I was just like okay I don't want to be one of
05:32:44
Brian Atlasthose Carousel women so I was like right I'll end it CU there's no changing that okay and so he was seeing like like 20 20 plus women per week I would assume so
05:32:56
Jordan / Jadeyeah now when you say he was the perfect man on paper can you like list the attributes so for me um he was well
05:33:05
Jordan / Jadetraveled spoke multiple languages um he could hold a conversation he was very well educated had multiple businesses and I just saw him as very very
05:33:16
Jordan / Jadeattractive like his mind wealthy he was wealthy not like an extreme wealth but yeah he owns multiple businesses very attractive very
05:33:27
Brian Atlasintelligent good personality and then let's all just also looks wise attack physically attractive good yeah yeah tall taller than me which is always a
05:33:36
Jordan / Jadehow how tall are you I'm 5'9 and he was 6 foot which is 6ot okay it's a good um good in the bedroom we never got
05:33:46
Brian Atlasaround to that that's good okay oh so you only you only went on a date like once or twice or I do have a rule of like I have to really get to know them before I have the caral the carnal
05:33:57
Jordan / Jadeknowledge interesting it's because I'm terrified of like SDS person yeah um and so when I found out I was like I dodged
05:34:06
Brian Atlaspotentially a huge bullet right you know fair and then uh do you think he still got a rotation going on what how long ago was this that was six years ago six
05:34:17
Brian Atlasyears ago so 21 women per week hold on let me do some [ __ ] math here wait 21 * 54 let's just do 20 * 50 that's wait
05:34:28
Brian Atlas[ __ ] is it the is that a thousand a year about a thousand years I don't I think he had like it was the same wom the same rotating and he was trying to put you the rotation what day were you on oh he trying to fit her in the rotation he's
05:34:40
Jordan / Jadetrying to fit you on I think he like to collect women [ __ ] desire and he was like oo a Welsh one yeah love is your is your accent Welsh by the way um is it
05:34:51
Brian Atlaslike a Welsh accent no this is like received pronunciation yeah it's cuz if I spoke in my really up it like make it really
05:35:01
Jordan / JadeRP um like the like the BBC yeah can we hear something hi you're listening to bbc1 Wales tonight we have
05:35:12
Brian AtlasBrian that's good we got to hire her we got to get her on the clock you're going to read you're going to do all the TTS all the super chats we'll get you back uh probably not though because you probably think I'm a toxic piece of [ __ ]
05:35:25
Brian Atlaswho won't die for a woman um no but everyone's different thank you thank you thank you thank you that's what I'm trying to say what was I going to say uh but uh are are you like super familiar
05:35:36
Jordan / Jadewith all the other accents too like can you do the uh like SC can you do Cockney yeah let's hear it no come on it's so bad um I can do Scottish really well cuz