Brian GOES OFF! Man vs. Bear HEATED DEBATE?! She's Single BUT STILL Sees Her Ex?! | Dating Talk #157
Date: 2024-05-01
Duration: 7h 03m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Natalie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Adeline Star(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ashley(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Q / Natalie(guest)
SPEAKER_11Jordan / Jade(guest)
SPEAKER_12Rahima(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lauren(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:20
QuoteBrian Atlas opens show with standard intro
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape”
00:03:28
OtherAdeline Star intro — kick streamer and OnlyFans model from LA
“hi I'm Adeline star I am 26 I live in LA originally from Texas I am a kick streamer and only fans model”
00:05:05
OtherLauren introduces herself as a courtesan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch
“my name is Lauren I'm 31 years old and I am a cortisen at the moonlight bunny ranch and a student”
00:06:01
OtherQ / The Quill introduces herself — behavioral scientist and relationship coach from Raleigh NC
“I'm the Quill I'm 31 from Raleigh North Carolina I'm a behavioral scientist certified relationship coach and a YouTuber book author”
00:21:00
OtherAshley reveals she still sees her ex the morning of the show
“in person yesterday uh yeah yesterday this morning”
00:21:07
OtherAshley confirms ex was cheating during their relationship (not just the break)
“he was doing but was but hold on but was it was it open on his end no it was not open okay so he was cheating on you”
01:07:11
ControversyMan vs. Bear debate introduced — would you rather come across a bear or a man in the woods?
“you're alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or a man you don't know”
01:07:33
OtherAdeline chose 'man' in man vs. bear debate
“know because he might have tools to help and if he's a terrible person then I'll take him out”
01:07:46
OtherRahima chose 'sunbear' (bear) in man vs. bear debate
“assume it's a sunbear and they are very cute so I'm going to choose the bear”
01:11:31
ControversyQ argues bear is statistically more dangerous than a random man in the woods
“the bear is absolutely has a larger probability of hurting you than a man does in the woods and it's that simple”
02:03:41
ControversyBrian rants about no-show guest who sent fake car crash photo — clear skies in Santa Barbara
“she sends us this photo oh my I got into a car crash... you notice the sky you see how overcast it is... it was clear skies all day”
02:05:43
ControversyBrian goes off about weekly guest lies — fake excuses instead of just cancelling
“oh my car broke down some I'm sick blah blah blah it's all lies they always lie they can't just say I'm a piece of I'm just not coming”
02:07:11
QuoteBrian quips that men start podcasts as therapy (vs. women going to actual therapy)
“yeah you know what male therapy is like women go to therapy Men start podcast yeah true”
02:36:18
ControversySelf-ratings round begins — Stiffler's question asks panel to rate looks 1-10
“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead”
02:36:28
OtherRahima rates herself a 10
“10 10 I wasn't feeling my scarf but it's good”
02:36:44
OtherAshley rates herself a 7
“I I hate this question but yeah like a seven”
02:36:56
OtherBrian rates himself a 5 for looks
“I give myself a five”
02:39:37
OtherQ argues beauty standards are objective and cross-culturally consistent (Margot Robbie vs. Leslie Jones tweet)
“beauty is objective there's a consensus about what people will consider attractive and it's based on culturally”
02:41:50
OtherAdeline says she agrees everyone should consider themselves a 10 for self-confidence
“I agree because if you look good and you feel good that's what matters and then you're bringing that positivity into the world”
03:56:40
OtherBrian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife
“I would not be willing in that scenario to take a bullet for her”
04:06:40
ControversyBrian argues the 'bloodline' framing — dying for a woman is worse for his dynasty than surviving
“would it be more masculine and more Alpha to secure your bloodline and go on and survive and have the other person take the bullet”
04:18:10
OtherQ challenges Brian: if cheating 'doesn't mean anything' to men, why should they care?
“the only reason men shouldn't cheat is because women will interpret it wrong”
04:36:03
ControversyForrest Gump analysis — Brian calls it a catastrophe for men: Jenny rejected Forrest, got AIDS, had a kid, came back when he was rich
“she rejects forced Gump he gets rich off of shrimp she gets AIDS and has a kid and then once he's Rich of course then she her even though she rejected him”
Topics Discussed
00:00:20
Intro and guest introductions
Brian opens with announcements. Guests introduce themselves: Adeline Star (kick streamer/OF), Rahima (social media manager), Jordan (gym co-owner, married), Jade Warrick (film producer, Wales), Lauren (Bunny Ranch courtesan), Ashley (real estate), Natalie (political content creator), Q/The Quill (behavioral scientist). Includes Welsh language demonstration from Jade.
00:12:40
Relationship status round
Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Ashley's situation stands out: single 1 year but saw her ex (chiropractor, 31) the morning of the show. Ex cheated during a mutual break; she still loves him; he wants to reconcile. Jordan is married (5 years). Jade met boyfriend when he was on a date with someone else. Lauren (Bunny Ranch) is single; longest relationship 3 years. Rahima broke up during COVID in Bali.
01:07:11
Man vs. Bear debate
Viral TikTok hypothetical: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? Most panel chose 'bear' or deferred. Q and Jordan chose 'man'. Ashley, Lauren, and Rahima chose 'bear'. Brian argues women's preference for bear is social signaling about male distrust. Q counters that bears are statistically more dangerous. Title topic for the show.
01:36:00
Cheating discussion: male vs. female
Which is worse — male or female cheating? Panel and Q debate consequences vs. morality. Q argues female cheating is worse in terms of outcomes (women cheat emotionally, usually end the relationship; men cheat physically, relationship often survives). Lauren argues both are equally wrong. Q explains men's cheating motivation: greedy/novelty-seeking, not emotional dissatisfaction. Extended argument about why men shouldn't cheat if it doesn't mean anything.
01:58:23
Happy wife happy life / 40-50 year marriages
Q asks panel if they subscribe to 'happy wife happy life.' Panel mostly prefers 'balance' or 'happy spouse happy house.' Brian suggests the better phrasing. Q explains women experience more negative emotions in relationships and are more likely to end them, hence the focus on wife's happiness. Discussion extends to whether 40-50 year marriages are a thing of the past — panel says rare but possible; Brian cites feminism, dating apps, and entitlement as factors.
02:03:41
Brian rants about no-show guests
Brian reveals three guests no-showed for this episode. Shows a photo sent by one no-show claiming a car crash — but the photo shows overcast skies while it was a clear day in Santa Barbara. Brian 'goes off' about guests lying with fake excuses weekly (car crashes, family emergencies, traffic). The 'Brian GOES OFF' segment from the title.
02:11:40
What do you bring to a relationship + self-improvement flaws
Brian asks: what three things do you bring to a relationship? Each guest answers. Then: what's one thing you've done wrong in relationships and are working to improve? Highlights: Jade working on jealousy (boyfriend has poly background), Jordan working on not assuming during arguments, Rahima working on not trying to change partners, Ashley working on OCD/cleanliness triggers, Q wishes women understood male behavior differently.
02:23:20
Power couple discussion and Forrest Gump tangent
Brian reads Wikipedia definition of 'super couple / power couple.' Discussion includes what counts as a power couple. Brian goes on a Forrest Gump tangent: argues Jenny rejected Forrest, got AIDS, had a kid, then came back to Forrest after he got rich — 'a love story for women and an absolute catastrophe for men.'
02:36:18
Self-ratings round (looks)
Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Self-ratings: Rahima 10, Adeline 10, Jordan ~9, Lauren ~8.5, Jade ~7, Ashley 7, Q 6 (Brian pushed her up: 'you're more than a 6'), Natalie (not clearly captured), Brian 5. Extended discussion on whether rating yourself a 10 is delusional vs. empowering. Q argues beauty is objective and cross-culturally consistent.
02:36:36
Bumble swipe study
Brian pulls up Bumble and gives each guest 10 swipes on male profiles to observe selectivity. Panel judges based on first photo only. Discussion of what makes men swipeable, consistency of female standards across cultures, Francisco Lachowski (male model) vs. Luis Guzman comparison as masculine vs. conventionally attractive example.
03:05:00
Attraction peak age / when do women peak in looks
Q asks at what age women peak in attractiveness. Answers: Adeline and Jordan say 25-35; Jade says 25 based on genetics; Lauren and Q say around 35; Ashley says mid-to-late 20s; Brian agrees. Brian asks if each guest would fast-forward their looks 10 years with no health impact — Rahima says yes.
03:53:20
Should a man take a bullet for a woman?
Brian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife. Panel debates chivalry, nobility, the bloodline argument (Brian), and sacrifice as the ultimate act of love. Discussion includes trolley problem variant, Genghis Khan dynastic framing, pro-choice vs. pro-life tangent, and whether women's expectation of sacrifice is hypocritical given their own choices. Brian rants about the argument being his 'magic bullet' topic that generates debate with anyone.
Transcript
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03:43:26
Adeline Starprotect you yes but I think I would have tremendous Survivor guil for that okay I think yes cuz I would do the same in a scen yes cuz I would do the same
03:43:41
Laurenyes I've lost two lovers so no I don't know if I could do a third but it's not really the question right but I I I just they Lo did they lose their life protecting you no yeah
03:43:53
Brian Atlasso the question is I just don't know if I could live without him so you would okay so here's the scenario doesn't mean there's a bullet coming there's a bullet coming he can jump in front of you and protect you
03:44:06
Laurenwould you prefer that over to you just taking the bullet and dying yeah I I just know it would be hard for me to but I would be like wow well at least you know he died defending me he that's what
03:44:15
Laurenhe wanted to do not like is it is a man's duty to protect his woman in I think a man should want to protect his woman like be a protector like I think that the the right woman brings the
03:44:26
Laurenprotector out to to the extent of sacrificing his own life to protect you I think that the right woman will bring that just out of a man naturally but if
03:44:38
Laurenit's the wrong woman no like but but all of a sudden if it's the right woman it will bring that out of him and he won't even know like why did it like it's just like that imagine finding out you're not
03:44:49
Brian Atlasthe right woman though you be dead what about you yes yes you'd want him to sacrifice his life to protect you yeah okay I hope
03:45:00
Laurenhe's ready to because I'm probably instinctually going to just jump behind him right yeah like I would do it too that's why now Q you were here for this I actually I'm curious to know like
03:45:11
Q / Nataliewould you would you lay down your your life for a female friend female female girlfriend for my girlfriend for your girlfriend yeah because if she gets to that point then I really really care about her if she's my girlfriend then I
03:45:23
Q / Nataliereally really care about her so for me it's instinctual I'm actually a very protective guy yeah you take the bullet good for you yeah as a matter of fact I might think I'm bulletproof so you babe
03:45:34
Brian Atlasget behind me I got this it like Ricochet off of you yeah you're a better man than me um question so wait you wouldn't well I'll get into I'll get to that I'll get to that in just a sec God
03:45:46
Brian Atlasdamn I'm already [ __ ] Tipsy from guys the only time I drink only time I drink is when somebody does a champagne pop when was the last champagne pop two months ago that was
03:45:57
Brian Atlasthe last time I drank I never drink so uh literally two sips I'm already feeling okay uh how early on would you want a guy to be like willing to take a bullet for you I feel like it may be a
03:46:09
Adeline Starred flag if he does it too early on um I would be like oh wow let's say your boyfriend girlfriend you've been dating for 6 months uhhuh should he take
03:46:19
TTSa bullet then yeah okay oh hold on Nickelodeon donated $200 than why would he defend you he's just a man trying to assault you and none of you trust men
03:46:31
Brian Atlasanyway well that's actually like a really interesting on one hand women are terrified of men they'd prefer to be in a forest with the bear so different the guy you're dating
03:46:43
Brian Atlasbut they also acknowledge that men are also typically the when it let's talk about the hero heroism gap between men and women men are also most likely
03:46:53
Brian Atlasto be the ones who do these heroic deeds and save people so that's always interesting can we maybe I'm feeling it too cuz now I'm curious what the actual
03:47:05
Brian Atlaslike statistic is on bear bear encounters like how many death there are I am curious what that number so much well let's go on the table on the how
03:47:16
Jordansoon thing but I'll look look into that go ahead um I'll go with the 6 months 6 months okay oh God I don't
03:47:25
Jordanknow I've never thought about that um at least a year I missed the first two question so six months no expectation for him to lay
03:47:38
Brian Atlasdown his life no no how soon a year
03:47:48
Jordan / Jadewhen year I I literally missed so much so it's like would I take a bullet for him would you take a bullet for me and then how soon should you do that mhm yeah she got it okay um I probably would
03:47:59
Jordan / Jadetake a bullet cuz you know I'm really dumb and then he probably should cuz he's a man and he's probably built that way um that's why most infantry men are
03:48:08
Jordan / Jademen um and then I mean it should be instinctual for him but at the same time like why would a man risk losing his life and letting other people down to
03:48:20
Brian Atlassave someone he's just met so I don't know I like oh so how soon into a relationship should a guy be willing to
03:48:28
Jordan / Jadesacrifice his life for his girlfriend um time span I'm not sure but when she's his like okay here's the way to view this here's the way to view this your boyfriend and girlfriend with a guy
03:48:42
Brian Atlasyou've only been dating for 3 months though would you want want him in that instance like would you have an expectation of him to lay down his life for you no your boyfriend girlfriend he just
03:48:53
Laurenmet me probably yeah like a year into it okay all right I think that when a guy says he loves me like if he's like I love you and I'm like really would you
03:49:03
Laurentake a bullet for me and he goes o and then no and I'll be like that's okay like I I you know you don't have to I don't have no expectation but I wouldn't believe his love like I I I think that
03:49:15
Laurenif it seems like it takes a guy a while to fall in love with me apparently according to my dating records but um yeah maybe like a year or so okay yeah um I don't know this is a
03:49:28
Ashleycomplicated question I in my head I would say like immediately like whenever we're out and about first date but yeah first date he should like show that it's real show so God just to be clear just
03:49:40
Brian Atlasto be clear so you're current you're currently still hung up on your ex oh my God I'm not hung up on my ass you want you want a guy who's going on a first date with you let's you let's say you go on a
03:49:51
Brian Atlasfirst date with a guy this Friday a you just hung out with your ex today you want that guy to take a bullet for
03:50:03
Brian Atlasyou while while on the date hold on just to be clear also while on the date with this new guy there's a 100% chance you're thinking about your ex like no that's not how it goes I
03:50:16
Brian Atlasguarantee if you're on a date if you go on a date tomorrow you're thinking about you're you're caught up on your ex get robbed at gunpoint I want to date with you like hold up bro before you steal her money let me call her ex real quick
03:50:28
Ashleyso he can come and intervene in this situation out I don't know her I just met her I mean like what she said except different like if he were to tell me he loves me whatever whatever point that is
03:50:39
Ashleythen like yeah you're going to take a bullet from me if that takes him 3 months to fall in love with me or 6 months or a year whenever he claims what about you no bro if we are on a first
03:50:51
Laurendate and someone comes with a gun and you hide behind me or we're shot at or whatever I have and if I have to take the bullet for you it's a cringe we and say we both survive I'm never going out
03:51:03
Brian Atlaswith you ever again it's not happening age with that that's a good way to frame it going around the table with would all you girls agree that you neither of you die but it's just like you you the girl
03:51:14
Q / Natalietook the bullet yeah you shriek like the girl and shot push me in front of the guy oh yeah let me just let me just add I've actually been in this situation
03:51:24
Q / Nataliebefore um yeah i' I've been in this situation before uh with my first love I was in Atlanta um we were coming out of the grocery store and a guy said
03:51:35
Q / Nataliesomething to her he was basically trying to talk to her in front of me and then he winked at me things got escalated and he pulled out a gun yeah yeah but I was prepared I said you going to shoot me
03:51:47
Q / Natalielike you going to shoot me it's whatever but my girl I told her to get in the car be cool her sister actually came though her sister actually came and got in front of him and was like no we not doing this here and then we had some other guys who wanted to check on us
03:51:59
Q / Nataliejust random guys we didn't know he was like y'all good y'all good he had a gun as well I didn't have my gun at the time I couldn't carry in the state of Georgia so yeah but I've actually been in that situation and I mean I wasn't overwhelmed with fear I just wanted to
03:52:12
Q / Nataliemake sure that my girlfriend was straight you know what I mean and that's why did you say it was like a first date no no no no she was my first love we had been in yeah we yeah we had been in a relationship for 2 years so yeah yeah
03:52:23
Brian Atlasand your instinct was to send her to safety and who stood there yeah okay so here's where the whole panel
03:52:33
Brian Atlasturns against me uh yeah I I don't think actually at any point ever in the relationship you take the bullet for your woman ever
03:52:45
Brian Atlasever you have kids you never take the bullet for her so what do you so what do you do what you we we don't I don't I haven't really
03:52:56
Brian Atlasfully developed the the the precise uh circumstances of the hypothetical but just in a hypothetical where one of you has to die I don't know
03:53:07
Brian Atlasif it's a you know it could be a violent other person it could be a train it could be an environmental disaster zombies I don't know I don't know what the what it is I always think you know
03:53:19
Rahimait's better if the guy you survive what is wrong with you I guess wait I heard it as you would push your kids in front of the guy with I was like wait a minute not a protector ladies and
03:53:31
Brian Atlasgentlemen well I don't think you've been in love yet no I've been I've I've been in love and even when you were in love you didn't feel like taking a bullet for a girl oh I mean I'd obviously be
03:53:41
Brian Atlasprotective of a girl but again this is such a hypothetical specific scenario in some scenario where I have time to perhaps do the calculus of okay well if
03:53:52
Brian AtlasI attempt to intervene I'm going to die she survives uh yeah she could die so you value your
03:54:00
Adeline Starlife that's crazy it's a level of you're valuing your life more than hers and then you have a level of selfishness the only the only people I could potentially
03:54:11
Brian Atlassee myself sacrificing my life for uh would be my children and um I'm pretty confident like I I'd probably like do some crazy [ __ ] if like anything was going down
03:54:23
Brian Atlaswith my parents like a like a if we I don't know a violent scenario or something I would I would protect my parents so wife what why the difference huh why the difference yeah would you tell your girlfri get another wife can't
03:54:36
Ashleyget you know huh would you tell your girlfriend that like if you had a girlfriend right now she's watch theast I'm not I'm not I would not take a bullet for you would she do it would she do it for
03:54:48
Ashleyme no would you tell her to her face that she you're not taking bullet her I'll tell it I'll tell it right to her face just that's crazy why is that crazy it's just not
03:54:59
Brian Atlasmasculine how is it not masculine it's like the least masculine thing yeah you're not being a protector you're not being like a gladiator don't get to determine what is masculine that's fine but we get to determine what's an ick
03:55:11
Laurenand that's an ick I wonder if you're the type that would be possessed like in a sense let ask you take a bull like you don't think you would do it now but then all of a sudden it would happen you like [ __ ] this [ __ ] and then you'd go and
03:55:22
Jordanlike do it and it's like whoa like you know I could just get you've never been in that situation so you don't know crazy of you that's not how you feel with the
03:55:33
Backgroundright woman it's another man trying to if she died I would be I would be distraught it's not like I'm a heartless guy she asked you my question she said what if uh what if she's prant
03:55:45
Q / Natalieoh what she I asked him I asked him that Sunday I said what if she pregnant she she your child that's two deaths I'll tell you what that's a terrible scenario
03:55:56
AshleyH he wouldn't do it because it doesn't matter because he it doesn't matter CU he can get another girl pregnant right yes I could get monster
03:56:07
Brian Atlasmonster how's that how I failed to see how that's monstrous what do you mean like men are the ones on the front lines hold on but okay so let me ask you
03:56:20
Brian Atlasall a question let ask let me ask you a question let's talk about the trolley dilemma so are you guys familiar with the trolley problem trolley dilemma okay there's a train track it it diverges there's a lever if you pull the lever
03:56:33
Brian Atlasyou'll diverge it to the other train track would you uh so you have there's five people who retied on the train track you do nothing the train just proceeds and kills the five people on
03:56:45
Brian Atlasthe other track if you pull the lever it'll divert it and it will um it'll it'll uh kill your uh your brother which one do you pick do you pull the lever
03:56:57
Jordanthat's a horrible you pull the lever I wouldn't answer I wouldn't you have to answer yeah you have to it's a real psych question I would definitely save my brother you're my brother so you'd kill five people yep you're a monster
03:57:08
Brian Atlasthen so not a monster monster are the we I have a thought Okay so put it so here's the trolley dilemma I'm on the train track there's a lever next to me I
03:57:19
Brian Atlascan I can do nothing and then the train just runs me over or on the train track is my pregnant girlfriend I would run over sorry I'm pulling the [ __ ] Le
03:57:29
Jordanokay what would you actually do I need to know what would you actually do call me a [ __ ] Monster Run yes I would preserve my life so what if you're you
03:57:40
Brian Atlasthink you can run away from at least I'm honest about it everybody most people when ask this question are going to Virtue signal no of course I would I would genuinely not pull any lover and just let it let it hit me but not making
03:57:53
Laurena choice is making a choice I think if like a boyfriend or husband was to choose me over the kids if he chose me I'd be like you self a son of a [ __ ] and I wouldn't even like date him because I'd be like you should have chosed the kids I should have fallen off
03:58:04
Laurenthe cliff like I can see that cuz I a mother should want her kids to survive like she be on your Bumble profile yeah I will not take bullet for you look OB here the reality we're talking about
03:58:16
Brian Atlaschivalry right we're talking about chivalry right a man that's the ultimate form of chivalry the ultimate form of masculinity the ultimate form of being a
03:58:26
Brian Atlastraditional man all that [ __ ] sacrif right are you are modern women take deserving of the ultimate chivalry the ultimate sacrifice on the men's part
03:58:38
Brian Atlaslaying down his life y'all are modern women and you want a man to [ __ ] die for you but you complain about cooking for him doing the laundry doing all this [ __ ] I love doing all that get the bro
03:58:50
Brian Atlasyou want a man to lay down his life for you and all y'all are I'm not you
03:58:59
Brian Atlasguys hold stop stop stop st bro hold up hold up he's traumatized no no no I'm not traumatized someone broke his heart check this [ __ ] out I'm not I'm not saying you guys in general I'm saying I
03:59:11
Brian Atlaswould argue the vast majority of women are not these sh okay look chivalry right that's you're a you're a gentleman are ladies the ones who are
03:59:23
Brian Atlasentitled to gentlemanly treatment wait Ryan but that's why no no no no answer the question who's entitled to chivalry and gentlemanly treatment ladies correct are women are modern
03:59:36
Brian Atlaswomen with their only fans and their promiscuity and their lack of modesty and their sex work and their 10 20 30 4050 plus body count deserving of a man
03:59:46
TTSto lay down his life that depends on how he feels about it that depends on his heart anyone other than their mom these women seem to really trust the bear ask
03:59:57
Brian Atlasthe damn bear to take a bullet [ __ ] this yes dude stochastic decay all I don't know if I remember everyone's answers these girls would rather be in a forest with a bear than with a man we're not
04:00:09
Brian Atlastalking about a random man but you want a man to lay down his life for you but you guys those of you who said the bear you guys have you guys have a terrible view you guys have terrible views on [ __ ]
04:00:21
Brian Atlasterrible [ __ ] views you guys have contempt for men you guys have contempt for men let me talk you guys have contempt for men you guys hate men you guys are Mists you guys
04:00:34
Brian Atlasthese modern women hold on let let me talk you guys are these modern women are mandress they'd rather be with a bear in a forest than a man but they want their boyfriend to laid down their lives for
04:00:45
Backgroundthem that's some crazy [ __ ] you didn't say AAR your boyfriend that's why you need to find a girl you would be dating a woman anyway this girl right here hold on hold on you
04:00:56
Backgroundwouldn't be dating a woman like that anyway I would go on the first I go on a first date with this girl she just [ __ ] her boy her ex-boyfriend last
04:01:04
Backgroundnight she wants me to take a bullet she [ __ ] another guy the night she [ __ ] another guy the night before you want me
04:01:13
Backgroundto take a [ __ ] a bullet absolutely you're no no no absolutely not bro these girls scen these girls first dat with the guy they [ __ ] the guy the night
04:01:24
Backgroundbefore they want a guy to take a bullet you [ __ ] out you [ __ ] he ain't doing that [ __ ] nobody said
04:01:37
Jordanthat champag need some more champagne some more champagne no more champag for you you're generalizing my God bro can we pop first of all you wouldn't even be
04:01:48
Jordandating a woman like that so what are you talking about that's not your type [ __ ] [ __ ] oh my god get him some water pass out calm
04:02:00
Ashleydown an ivy I I had three sub champagne boys two bot sacrificing your wait but you're you're kind of generalizing women to be like all women are doing only fans
04:02:12
Ashleyall women are like themselves that's not true that's why you should date a woman that has shares the same values as you that way take a bullet for them oh bro here I
04:02:24
Brian Atlasknow you have something to say to him bro let me just triple down here she could be a virgin never had a first kiss
04:02:32
Brian AtlasI am securing my Dynasty son my lineage okay Dynasty great she's a virgin I love that that's fantastic I'll just find another one
04:02:44
BackgroundI'll find another one the you're that's how you feel in in love I'm in the chat I'm a guy in the chat Brian's such a beta male of course I would take a bullet for a
04:02:57
Brian Atlasgirl who I've been dating for three months go ahead do why you doing the robot I'm just gonna I don't know bro I'm [ __ ]
04:03:06
Brian Atlasdrunk three sips y'all he's yo three sips call me mail I think it I think it would be I don't call myself I'm not an alpha I don't call myself an alpha male it would be the most [ __ ] gangster
04:03:18
Brian Atlasalpha male Sigma male [ __ ] Sigma grind set please do not call your unprotected Alp Sigma grind set yeah man no man I'm I'm a she can
04:03:29
Brian Atlasshe can take the bullet she can take the bullet I'm going to find another girl I'm going to have seven sons I am going to have seven sons and they will conquer what's that freaking you know on the
04:03:41
Brian Atlastomb of what's that what's that CH uh children in a man's youth are like arrows in the quiver of a oh my God I totally [ __ ] butchered this of a
04:03:52
Brian Atlaswarrior bow and yeah okay so anyways seven sons bro oh oh I'm so I'm so masculine let me just end my life for
04:04:03
Rahimathis chick your girlfriend mother children she's a random mother your children the chick
04:04:12
Brian Atlasyeah oh let me double down let me double down yeah you're literally pulling the scenario I have three I she gave me three kids this lovely I love her so
04:04:25
Jordanmuch and you just ran away like this little baby and your thumb no people think negatively about me oh no as they
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Backgroundshould people think poorly we very sorry don't like something like hey in the train I think I save both of your lives I think if I have kids hold on let me
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Adeline Starsay this I think if I have kids I can make a better argument for me surviving oh I'm more C I'm more capable of protecting them I think it's not about the
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Adeline Starprot it's not about the protection it's about the fact that if she were to die you love her so much you cannot see your life without her and your life will be nothing the connection that is everything how are you going to protect
04:05:10
Backgroundyour kids you couldn't even protect your girls you don't oh I could never up again you never with honor get out here with that Disney [ __ ] I'm [ __ ] I I'll grieve there will be
04:05:24
Brian Atlasa grieving period it'll be a fortnite won't like I got things to do I'll find a new life hold on I'm going to grieve a
04:05:33
Ashleyfortnite 14 days I'll grieve scheduled back on Tinder schedule no I push my girlfriend over I really think you just haven't made such a deep about that but being a little fous I don't think you've
04:05:46
Jordanmade a deep connection enough where you would I've made some deep connection balls deep highly doubt that highly doubt [ __ ] balls deep what's
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Laurenup that's not saying much though cuz I'm like average down there so what if you like weren't there to save her in a sense where it happened to her but you weren't there like with that b you like the rest of your life like oh my
04:06:10
Laurengoodness like I just wasn't there if I was there this wouldn't have happened cuz I know a guy that that happened to and that's all he says these days but how think about it yeah I would think
04:06:21
Ashleyabout it a man aren't you biologically like made to like with withstand more bullet yeah like aren't you strong aren't you guys stronger I am obviously we're speaking in hypothetical bullets
04:06:34
Rahimarip through flesh don't matter if you got a [ __ ] or dick that [ __ ] going through you it's going through it going through but there's just so much more respect if you I don't think he I don't think he cares
04:06:45
Brian Atlasabout respect respect it would be his choice in the end he's going on Tinder in a fortnite I mean exactly you guys have like no preservation oh yeah I'm I'm going to you know go out in a blaze
04:06:57
Brian Atlasof glory respect bro okay I'm not laying down my life for respect why maybe it was respect for like a hundred years Beyond was or something here's the okay look here's an
04:07:09
Brian Atlasargument here's an argument I've heard right okay sure I could die but think of all the other great Deeds I could go on and do if I go on and live another 50 years what can I do for for my kids if I
04:07:21
Brian Atlashave them what could I do for a future partner who knows sounds like you won't do those either because you're only think by yourself sounds like you what if I'm a firefighter firefighter and I would have saved I would have gone on to
04:07:32
Brian Atlassave aund other people had I not died you valuing your own life more than your partner and that's just I love this conversation because there's no girl who's going to agree with me on this [ __ ] I found the [ __ ]
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Brian Atlasfound the Magic Bullet for the whatever podcast I can argue with anybody on this [ __ ] doesn't matter doesn't matter if they're conservative or liberal or Moder argument is feminist traditional all of
04:07:56
Brian Atlaswhat your argument is that you don't care yeah the woman is dispos it's not like I'm a monster I I obviously care deeply if I'm dating a you in fortnite and then be on Tinder
04:08:10
Brian Atlasthe next week I was being that was a joke I'm [ __ ] TI three sips three sip Brian what what's that Nick what's going on what's going on
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Backgroundback there Nick you wait what's going on back there
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Brian AtlasNick oh I saw a bit of an eye roll so and he was there was there attitude with that Nick you can talk to me just
04:08:38
Brian Atlastalk to me frankly oh uh what what was the feeling on on on that I mean she just did didn't want to be here for another two hours that's what I got from it h I didn't say that what did you say won
04:08:51
Laurenyou I how long does this usually go on for and he said probably another two hours and I went she is the only one who hasn't had a drink and I just went off to just like have a minute uhhuh so sometimes it's not as fun if you're not
04:09:03
Brian Atlasdrinking and other people are drinking so you're asking a question you're okay um I feel you I didn't drink for a while either yeah now I'm done it but I
04:09:15
AshleyI know what you mean let's just keep having fun yeah we were having fun moving on having a good time can move ran would shove us in
04:09:25
Brian Atlasfront of a bullet yeah yeah train check this out trolley dilemma trolley dilemma I'm on a train track and it's all of you on the other track that's crazy I'm
04:09:37
Adeline Stargoing to pull I'm pulling the light that's not helping here she's to go and you're like yeah I'm going to put y'all on the tracks this is funny bro how you guys you can't can't be upset at this
04:09:47
Brian Atlas[ __ ] I'm chilling no I'm good I think youve never been in love I let the train entertaining with anything let me ask you hold on let me ask y'all a question right so I just said trolley dilemma I'm on the track and then it's all of you on
04:10:00
Brian Atlasthe other track if I pull the lever it means all y'all got to go and I get to survive would if if just replace you know the
04:10:11
Brian Atlassituation I'm betting that most of you would save yourself who are you I want another body all of you all of you would save yourself if it was all of us on the panel that you had to sacrifice right
04:10:22
Adeline Starnot me I'm from the military family hold on hold on answer the question go ahead who are who are you to me and what is the the the number it's all of us on the panel so you save yourself or everybody
04:10:32
Adeline Staron the panel has to die which do you pick I think to the mic tilt it down okay I would I would have to choose everybody else because they would have a greater impact on the world and then I
04:10:45
Adeline Starknow that it it would if you want to get into a morality standpoint I do believe that there is some kind of repercussions for a selfish act like that so bad karma
04:10:56
Brian Atlascall it what you want yeah I'm going to agree you'd sacrifice yourself for the greater good yeah for these total strangers okay I'm saving myself I'm sorry I appreciate your honesty thank
04:11:08
Laurenyou the same into the mic I'm doing the same I would do everybody else and then I would die a hero do everybody else I would I would um keep everybody else and
04:11:18
Laurenthen delete me and then and then I would be a hero and I'd be remembered you certainly would be remembered yeah I would sacrifice myself wow total strangers what about
04:11:29
Laurenyou yeah um but also I believe in eternal life so I don't think I you know I just comp back be over God would would get me I kind of think there's some
04:11:41
Brian Atlasvirtue signaling going on I think secretly most people would preserve themselves they don't want to admit it but I do think that there's people who aren't you can disagree with me but you
04:11:52
Brian Atlascan't fault me for being honest we do have a chat here from LP Brian I should I said doll hair is LOL and specifically ask for ID not the fake passport bro L
04:12:03
Brian Atlasfor Gerald be supporting Capper shout out to Josie who's really 28 and not like that capping chair too who's Josie Josie Josie who's Josie [ __ ] cat yeah
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Brian Atlasfor Josie an like the oh okay where even get a fake pass Josie's also capping uh yeah we we'll turn to that okay we have Ben George uh do you want
04:12:24
Jordan / Jadeto read it um women expect a man to take a bullet for them women can't admit they want a man to take a bullet for them because other women will demonize
04:12:34
Brian Atlasthem we going to get you a Kindle Deal your voice is so sing Kindle yep uh thank you Ben George for that chat man
04:12:43
Brian Atlasdefinitely appreciate it um fizzle fiszel my nizzle not quite yet I want to linger here a little
04:12:53
Brian Atlaslonger um so is it the ultimate form of chivalry for a man to sacrifice his life for a
04:13:04
Laurenwoman yes no yeah if the woman didn't want that done like example like for the kids like hey like if I die I want you to take you know do the kids then I would say no that wouldn't be the
04:13:17
Laurenultimate for me it would be yeah but what would be a greater sacrifice than giving your life for somebody then to listen to their will and be like hey well get rid of me and you can take the kids because I know that I'm not going to make it that long so I think that
04:13:29
Adeline Starwould be greater because you're listening to them yeah okay I think it's the I mean a self-sacrifice is the ultimate thing like I I don't want to get too far off
04:13:40
Adeline Starbut I one of my favorite movies is this is the end and at the end they realize what they have to do in order to be saved because hell the world is going to hell and what they all they have to do is essentially sacrifice themselves and
04:13:52
Adeline Starthen they get sucked up into heaven where the back street boys are so that's if you've never seen it you don't get it but I'm sure plenty of people in chat have but the in in and literally like
04:14:04
Adeline Starclassic everybody knows that that is the ultimate form of like that is the most noble thing you can do is self-sacrifice so I think it is the greatest most chalous
04:14:14
Jordan / Jadething that's why you know don't you think that chivalry is dead no perfect
04:14:23
Brian Atlasexample I mean look it occurs to me that women have this expectation that men lay down their lives for them that you've only been
04:14:33
Brian Atlasdating for a year no we said one day oh okay fine even worse I guess yeah you two what said the same day yeah
04:14:45
Brian Atlasso that is chivalrous treatment that's traditional treatment that's masculine treatment that's men adhering to their traditional gender roles the ultimate manifestation of a man's traditional
04:14:57
Brian Atlasgender role would be the ultimate manifestation of protection would be to lay down your life for somebody else the ultimate manifestation of I would argue a woman's
04:15:09
Brian Atlastraditional gender roles would be sexual Purity remaining a virgin most women aren't remaining virgins that I think that's a tradeoff
04:15:20
TTSthat should be the tradeoff one Motorsports donated $200 Brian the bloodline must continue until a man has strong Sons he must
04:15:29
Brian Atlasensure his survival at all costs sorry ladies chivalry works against you here like let me let me make this argument for people who think it's not masculine
04:15:40
Brian Atlasor not beta here's the framing right let's say you've never had children and you're an only son you're the last of your bloodline right what would be the
04:15:50
Brian Atlasmost masculine if you want to use the term Alpha would it be dying for a woman who's going to go ahead and you don't have children remember you're the last of your bloodline she's going to go procreate with another man she's going
04:16:02
Brian Atlasto forget you within 3 years whatever who however long or would it be more masculine and more Alpha to secure your bloodline and go on and survive and have
04:16:13
Brian Atlasthe other person take the bullet that way you can go on and have seven sons what is better for your bloodline answer the question it seems like your priorities aren't straight I think
04:16:24
Brian Atlasanyone why should I why should I uh why should I pedestalize the woman's bloodline over mine because you love them in this hypothetical situation it's all about what you value and if you
04:16:36
Adeline Starvalue your bloodline over the love of the love of your life then that's that that we know where your values
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Q / Nataliestand uh okay yeah okay let me let me let me add let's let's change the frame let's change it no I don't I don't want to I don't want to necessarily talk
04:16:54
Q / Natalieabout what Brian said I just want to change I want to change the frame ladies and I don't wish this on anyone but this is just hypothetical if you're pregnant
04:17:04
Laurenand it save you or the baby baby baby baby baby baby if they save me I'd be like you're your selfings can always make more babies with you but that's my
04:17:16
Jordanbaby mhm yeah but that's pretty sacrificial on the women's behalf yeah if I sacrifice they can too right yeah y for a child we would do it in a
04:17:26
Brian Atlasheartbeat what do you say to that Brian the like yeah if if if if women if women yeah they're pregnant and it's like there's a they have a heal thing yeah save them or the baby they all say save the baby Brian's definitely saving
04:17:40
Q / Nataliethe baby what do I think of their answers yeah what do you think of their answers well it's a bit different when it's your kid um oh my God that doesn't inspire you that doesn't inspire you do the same for his kid that doesn't Inspire I I
04:17:53
Jordansaid I would be more inclined to risk my life for my child okay yeah okay but I'm saying like women have a sacrificial
04:18:00
Brian Atlaslove as well yeah but like let's also be realistic here uh who here is pro choice going around the
04:18:11
Laurentable I'm pro-choice interesting you're pro-choice pro- life I'm undecided that's helpful but I'm pro-choice but I have one amendment to it but I if if they want to get into it
04:18:24
LaurenI can say the amendment in the case of an essay is that well so so I think that I'm pro-choice but why don't we don't we don't need to get into it okay yeah I
04:18:34
Brian Atlaswould just say pro-choice there's a little details I'm pro lifee pro lifee okay well it seems to me that I don't know what the breakdown is on women who are pro-choice versus
04:18:47
Laurenpro-life a lot of women aren't protecting their kids sorry ladies it would be my choice though to protect I Tove you
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Jordan / Jadeto I feel like you're waiting for that one can I ask a question about the bloodline thing they asking at like full term though so let's say that you have five brothers your bloodline is going to continue through either brothers or you
04:19:12
Jordan / Jadeand let let's say that the woman that you're with she's an only child and she doesn't have any siblings would you rather save your bloodline which most likely is going to continue anyway or save
04:19:25
Laurenhers I'm still saving my life okay yeah it's not about the bloodline not even you do realize that think just like I'm say you do realize when you're making the argument there can be multiple reasons for why you want something the
04:19:36
Brian Atlasother ones yourself so I I living is cool i' like to live I'd like to continue living um the bloodline thing death sucks there's probably going to be pain
04:19:47
Jordaninvolved um weak yeah what are the other why is that weak because it's Bas because there's no nobility in that and honor want to die she can die think he cares
04:19:58
Brian Atlasabout honor bro there's no nobility in honor y'all are yeah the ladies go hold on y'all want gentlemen where did the ladies go where did the ladies go answer the question you going to Mar wa let me
04:20:11
Jordanask you this do you not think it's honorable for like men who have sacrificed their lives for our country what men talk sacrificed their life for our country is that honorable yes or no
04:20:22
Brian Atlasit's a very simple question yes yes that's heroic and honorable it's sacrifice isn't it yes it's a sacrifice that doesn't mean that
04:20:32
Brian AtlasI I necessarily want to for to be honorable no well hold on if being honorable means I need to lay down my life for for a woman that I'm on a first date with but
04:20:44
Jordanjust as you said there's multiple definitions that's one form of Honor but you said you wouldn't do it even if you were like in love with her pregnant yeah but okay I'm failing to see this
04:20:55
Jordanlike Soldier component but there're certainly honor in dying for someone great or good I don't I don't disagree that it would be like this honorable thing
04:21:07
Brian Atlasto do that it would be heroic but you're just saying like [ __ ] it no no no hold on just to clear something can be heroic and I could also desire to not do the
04:21:17
Brian Atlasheroic thing yes okay that's fair if if it puts my life at risk then yes okay again people can say feel how they want to feel of course you as women are going
04:21:30
Brian Atlasto feel a certain type of way about that because you have this very gendered expectation for men to sacrifice their lives because frankly you view men as disposable men not just by women but by
04:21:43
Brian AtlasSociety at large are viewed as the Disposable sex that's why we send men to war so they die these poor 18-year-old boys go to some look perhaps there are some Wars that were
04:21:54
Brian Atlasum for righteous causes most wars [ __ ] monarchs are are butt hurt over some [ __ ] princess or some [ __ ] [ __ ] Vietnam no [ __ ] reason Iraq
04:22:06
Brian Atlasno [ __ ] reason Afghanistan no [ __ ] reason we got hundreds of thousands of men PTSD [ __ ] maimed dead injuries
04:22:15
Brian Atlasall this [ __ ] for what for the military industrial complex so that rich people can get richer is that heroic maybe it's
04:22:25
Brian Atlasheroic on the micro level on the macro level why the [ __ ] are we in Vietnam well they they the do you think the we we were America was under Threat
04:22:38
Brian Atlasby the Vietnamese were they protecting their country was America who had just backto back World War Champs we were scared of Vietnam which gender sent
04:22:50
Brian Atlasthem to war were they sacrificing were were they protecting their country they made a sacrifice they're heroic they got most of these guys got [ __ ] drafted in Vietnam Canon
04:23:02
Brian Atlasfodder I feel like if if the person you have a family are you considered the man in the house and just to be clear I have absolute these these men who died in these [ __ ] y Slayer thank you for the 20 gifted Subs I absolutely have
04:23:15
Brian Atlascompassion these men who were sent to these meaningless Wars it's [ __ ] terrible definitely I think if someone di I put I put the blame on these [ __ ] uh these these uh people that that stand that stood to make money from
04:23:27
Jordanthese wars that's why we were in these conflicts I want to get back Halal burden all that [ __ ] so I want to just get back to like what you were saying about like women put this like gender thing on men that they have to
04:23:38
Jordanlike sacrifice their love but like here's the thing though like even though we have certain qualities about men and women that are different we kind of just have to take the good with the bad like
04:23:50
Jordanwomen we have to bear children we have to go through that pain right men if you have a family you have a wife you have kids you're considered the man at the house somebody breaks into your house you're going to be the one to protect
04:24:02
Jordanyour family right yeah okay I'll dispatch them with a firearm but we're talking about hypothetical scenarios here I understand that hypothetical but like I'm saying
04:24:14
Brian Atlaslike wouldn't you take that role as a man let me ask you a question so if man I would think I think the ultimate sacrifice the ultimate thing you can ask
04:24:21
Brian Atlasof a man is to sacrifice his life for for his girlfriend wife whatever why don't we have a corresponding demand and
04:24:33
Brian Atlasexpectation for women to be virgins what's going on there do you object I don't think that's do you object to that being the standard because I'll tell you this much it's way easier
04:24:43
Brian Atlasto just be a virgin than it is to die which do you think is like the bigger ask to remain a virgin or to die which one correlation which is the bigger ask
04:24:54
Brian Atlasto be a virgin or die die we're asking you to take the risk of dying no no answer the question what is a bigger ask for a woman to remain a virgin or for a man to lay down his life and die answer the
04:25:07
Laurenquestion I would say the bigger ask is for the man to lay down his life do you guys agree I agree I think that though like example let's say if a guy took a bullet for me in somewhere and on his dying breath he's like dang I really
04:25:21
Laurendidn't want to do that but I just thought that Society told me I would think about that for the rest of my life and be like damn he really shouldn't have you know he really shouldn't have right like you know because he didn't want to do it he was pressured into it by Society so I would want to if he did
04:25:34
Laurenit nobody's saying you have to want to do it if if he did free out of Free Will okay but if he didn't then I wouldn't want it but you're talking about virtue you're saying there's no virtuous women who are worth dying for but we gave you
04:25:46
Q / Nataliethe hypothetical say that the woman you were with was virtuous would you diaper and you still said no right oh and just to throw that out there my girlfriend that I almost uh took a bullet for she was a virgin I
04:25:59
Brian Atlastook her Virginia wow good for you good for you congrats congrats uh look I'm not look again just to be clear there are plenty of virtuous
04:26:11
Brian Atlaswomen out there even women who aren't virgins that's not what I'm arguing I'm just saying that uh I think an Rand wrote a book
04:26:20
Brian Atlascalled The Virtue of selfishness and uh yeah what did it
04:26:30
Brian Atlassay that's that being selfish that being selfish is a virtue self-preservation no being selfish is a virtue the virtue of
04:26:40
Q / Natalieof preserving yeah so so I mean he ain't dying but not the I mean it is what it
04:26:50
Laurenis it's true that women have the privilege in society because they have a finite number of eggs and a finite number of years that they can get
04:27:00
Laurenpregnant and have kids men can just go you know sleep around get as many women pregnant as they want and there's a long you know gestational period and then
04:27:09
Laurenalso because women are the weaker gender men have to protect them so because they are both desired and weaker compared to men they need to be protected by Society
04:27:20
Laurenso yeah there's a big you know social safety net and women are cherished and everything but that doesn't mean that you should just like I don't know
04:27:34
Jordanhate on them or something I get that women should be wait is it hating on women to not want to die for a woman well you're saying oh they're all no
04:27:41
Jordanjust like hating on our opinion of of why men should do that I mean you have you have a different
04:27:51
Adeline StarViewpoint that's fine yeah you bring up like the worst case do I scenario what's the what's the worst case scenario to Brian yes women have special privileges
04:28:01
Adeline Staryes Brian women have greater privileges than men and it sucks for men that's literally what I said it sucks [ __ ] defense like you know you mean
04:28:12
Laurenthere is like there is a tendency in our culture today to hate on men and to talk trash about men and women could recognize that we have these privileges we are cherished by society and we
04:28:25
Laurenshould be grateful and we should stop ragging on men and I do wonder if a lot of what you're feeling is actually just a reaction to that sentiment of you know
04:28:35
Laurenmen bashing and everything if it you actually mean it or if it's just like you know you're kind of sick and also you're saying it in today's society who knows what your opinion would
04:28:46
Jordanbe you know if you were not in today's society like back in the day yeah could absolutely be the case that that could be skewing your opinion in
04:28:58
LaurenOne Direction oh I mean but the yeah the answer isn't to like stop being chivalrous and taking on the masculine
04:29:07
Laurenrole of the protector it's you know maybe I don't know what can do but I do agree that we should stop [ __ ] on men and women should be more grateful
04:29:17
Jordanfor men in the role that they play I agree uh well anyways I still think uh yeah you
04:29:28
Jordanhave your you're not going to convince me on that's fine I don't I think we're done trying to convince you he's allowed to have I will never come he you when you're on a you're fine you guys are do
04:29:38
Ashleyyou guys feel a little defeated no deated because literally nobody agrees with you so that's fine if that's your agenda literally nobody you're you're like but
04:29:50
Ashleyit's all based off feeling for you so wait Bas based off of feeling yeah it's like your preference what do you mean like that's what you're going to that's your that's your argument yeah my
04:30:01
Brian Atlasargument mhm it's wrong but you know how's how is it wrong for a man to not want to die for a woman explain it to me give me give me it's not wrong we it's morally
04:30:14
Brian Atlasunacceptable comprehensible here's here's the process here here's what by the way we lowered the TTS to 69 grid One Motorsports donated
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TTS$200 bimbo granny sits and smiles while saying it sucks for men but I bet she's a feminist who expects her views to be enforced by men women rarely if ever
04:30:35
Adeline Starvalue men as much as men value women night man yo grid one thank you for tuning in to the stream man appreciate it they call me bimo cuz I wear floral dresses and I have big
04:30:45
Adeline Starglass got big boobs so it's like granny style but bimbo are you a are you a feminist I don't I I don't think so I'm not like oh my God whoopdee woo you
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Adeline Starwon't find me at Rings you won't find me posting on social media you won't find me partaking in that so I don't believe that I am a
04:31:08
TTSfeminist let me just ask oh hold on I'll come back on donated $69 if some of these women would call chivalry dead I couldn't come up with a
04:31:18
TTSword for femininity W Brian NEOS got a world to save you want to make it to the next movie learn to dodge bullets think he's talking about the
04:31:28
BackgroundMatrix Neo that what he's talking about okay I have another question was saying Bri has to die we're saying we he takes the risk of dying I I got I got another I got another question this one you got to assume we're this one is more
04:31:41
Q / Nataliethis one is more end it um I just want to promote some discussion what would you ladies say or what do you feel that men should do that they don't do in the
04:31:51
Q / Nataliecontext of dating or that they don't do enough of that you wish they did more of starting starting here communicate your
04:32:00
Adeline Starfeelings tell me exactly what you're thinking and how you feel that's okay your feelings should be heard and you're going to create more issues you're gonna
04:32:12
Q / Nataliebuild up that resentment if you don't communicate that's how what do you say to the guys who say that when they communicate feelings especially I guess in the way that you perceive them to communicate that would be more like when
04:32:25
Adeline Starwomen talk about men communicating feelings we normally communicate through anger M so do you mean like in a more feminine way like being more V communicating your feelings is not
04:32:35
Adeline Starfeminine it's a level of vulnerability and you have to take out that scaredness and it's a level of trust that goes into it so you have to have a what's like you have to have a safe partner who's not going to use that against you your
04:32:48
Adeline Starvulnerability so yeah I mean like it's up to you to do like have discretion on who you're going to be vulnerable with but it's okay to be a little vulnerable obviously you want to have a safeguard
04:32:59
Adeline Starso that you can protect yourself but communicate and it anger and aggression should not be I shouldn't have to be like oh wow he's upset about that because he's you know like that that
04:33:11
Adeline Staranger's coming out it should if you're upset tell me why you're upset and tell me so that I can make sure that doesn't happen again or do whatever is in my power to you know end that so do you
04:33:23
Q / Nataliethink it's acceptable for a man to cry in front of you in private in front of you in front of me yeah like Would You Do you believe you would be less attract if he's crying all
04:33:35
Adeline Starof the time then we're going to have to be like hey are you okay like what else is underlying to where you're cry all the time like you may have some kind of like issues that we need to sort through
04:33:45
Adeline Staror like trauma and that's where like that care and concern and that judgment you take the Judgment out of it when that man is crying and you don't judge him for crying you you get to the root
04:33:57
Adeline Starcause of those those tears and then if you love him you will help him navigate that and if you don't want to and you want to judge him for crying then maybe you're not for him and he's not for you or maybe he has some issues and he
04:34:10
Adeline Stardoesn't want to deal with it it's all like circumstantial but those are my beliefs on men crying if it's in private and it's not a habitual thing then it's okay for a man to cry yeah that's a good
04:34:22
Rahimaanswer that was a good explanation very deep yeah that that that was that was phenomenal that was phenomenal what about you sorry that took me a minute um probably listening with not always
04:34:32
Rahimatrying to fix the situation so if I come and I'm just complaining or talking about something not trying to constantly like make a or try to fix it but just
04:34:43
Q / Natalielike listen and hear me sometimes you're just trying to complain and just give advice when they want to I I get that and I and I completely understand that and one of the most interesting things about that a lot of women say that they don't understand why a man always wants
04:34:55
Q / Natalieto problem solve but the interesting thing about that is actually you know the women the reason women are more sympathetic and compassionate is because there's two emotional centers of the brain and with women it tends to be the
04:35:07
Q / Nataliemirror neuron system that's you see me cry you want to cry or you see me going through angst you feel angst anxiety etc etc and men when it comes down to the way we perceive emotion that mirror
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Q / Natalieneuron system turns on just for a split second we we understand why you feel the way that you do but then we immediately another part of the brain is activated that wants to solve problems and it's really difficult for us to turn it off so a lot of times when I hear women say
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Q / Nataliethat I just want them to understand that we literally that's how we solve the pro like that's how we interpret your emotion we want to fix whatever we perceive to be the problem immediately as soon as possible even even if you know you just want to rant we think it's
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Q / Nataliea big deal because you're already complaining about it to begin with and a lot of times we want peace as well so we just want to mitigate that as quickly as possible but that is that is I agree with that a lot of men have to learn to
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Jordanlisten sometimes and just let a woman vent mhh actually I was going to say that but a lot of women say that but I'll say I'll say something different um maybe
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Jordannot be so reactionary like this is something um like me and my husband have had to work like sometimes I'll come home and I've had just a crap day and I'll be like so upset about whatever and
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Jordanlike venting blah blah blah blah blah and then like he'll think that I'm like bringing that to him versus me just experiencing it and wanting to get out
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Jordanhe'll like be upset with me does that make sense so he'll like react to my feelings and then he'll think I'm mad at him because I had a crap day but I'm
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Jordanjust really trying to vent it out cogni does that make sense yeah yeah yeah I don't know why he does it but he does it I still love you babe um what I would want men to do uh
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Jordan / Jademore in relationships that's the question yeah it's something you wish they did or something they don't do enough of that you wish they did more of either or I think in the beginning um just establish that your core values are
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Jordan / Jadealigned so that it can be longlasting okay okay well why do you say that what what what experience do you have um let's fix this yeah just to make sure that you're on the same page so you
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Jordan / Jadedon't go through like two to three years and then something crops up and it's like oh wait this is one of my core values we never spoke about this are you with me like if this thing happens Ben
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TTSGeorge donated $69 meny responsibility from 30,000 ft above and take on a great responsibility women see men from 10 ft away and expect
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TTSthem to treat them in kind yeah yeah
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Laurenokay we can continue so I think for me um I
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Laurenthink H men not expecting perfectionism on I wouldn't say I would say on honest
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Laurenmistakes as opposed to immoral acts like um you know like let's say I went slashed his tires like okay like you don't have you know you you don't have to forgive me for that but um I you know
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Laurenhad dated a guy one time and I was helping and with the business and stuff and I was really good at making sales like I was really good at it and I still
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Laurenam um but um I couldn't close this one guy and he speaked another language and it was impossible to communicate with him and at the end he was like I can't believe that you didn't do this for me
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Laurenlike you are like so like P I was like I'm a good saleswoman like I'm a good person I I couldn't get that one one like I did not speak Mandarin like I can't and and so there's only so much
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Laurenbeyond my control so you know being more forgiving of honest mistakes as opposed to immoral like oh you slash my tires like I don't like that like something
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Laurenlike that okay what a jerk he he apologized and you know we we had a talk but I mean obviously we're not you know dating anymore but you know it was just I'm not Superwoman even
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Laurenthough I want to be like I'm not and so so it's like there's times where I can't do something um like that I I don't
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Laurenspeak R I would like to yeah okay yeah what about you wow um I guess I would love men to work on being more
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Backgroundloyal that one hit home we know why that she said that one that one hit home that's it yeah okay yeah there's loyal men out there I