Brian GOES OFF! Man vs. Bear HEATED DEBATE?! She's Single BUT STILL Sees Her Ex?! | Dating Talk #157
Date: 2024-05-01
Duration: 7h 03m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Natalie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Jordan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Adeline Star(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ashley(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Q / Natalie(guest)
SPEAKER_11Jordan / Jade(guest)
SPEAKER_12Rahima(guest)
SPEAKER_14Lauren(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:20
QuoteBrian Atlas opens show with standard intro
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape”
00:03:28
OtherAdeline Star intro — kick streamer and OnlyFans model from LA
“hi I'm Adeline star I am 26 I live in LA originally from Texas I am a kick streamer and only fans model”
00:05:05
OtherLauren introduces herself as a courtesan at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch
“my name is Lauren I'm 31 years old and I am a cortisen at the moonlight bunny ranch and a student”
00:06:01
OtherQ / The Quill introduces herself — behavioral scientist and relationship coach from Raleigh NC
“I'm the Quill I'm 31 from Raleigh North Carolina I'm a behavioral scientist certified relationship coach and a YouTuber book author”
00:21:00
OtherAshley reveals she still sees her ex the morning of the show
“in person yesterday uh yeah yesterday this morning”
00:21:07
OtherAshley confirms ex was cheating during their relationship (not just the break)
“he was doing but was but hold on but was it was it open on his end no it was not open okay so he was cheating on you”
01:07:11
ControversyMan vs. Bear debate introduced — would you rather come across a bear or a man in the woods?
“you're alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or a man you don't know”
01:07:33
OtherAdeline chose 'man' in man vs. bear debate
“know because he might have tools to help and if he's a terrible person then I'll take him out”
01:07:46
OtherRahima chose 'sunbear' (bear) in man vs. bear debate
“assume it's a sunbear and they are very cute so I'm going to choose the bear”
01:11:31
ControversyQ argues bear is statistically more dangerous than a random man in the woods
“the bear is absolutely has a larger probability of hurting you than a man does in the woods and it's that simple”
02:03:41
ControversyBrian rants about no-show guest who sent fake car crash photo — clear skies in Santa Barbara
“she sends us this photo oh my I got into a car crash... you notice the sky you see how overcast it is... it was clear skies all day”
02:05:43
ControversyBrian goes off about weekly guest lies — fake excuses instead of just cancelling
“oh my car broke down some I'm sick blah blah blah it's all lies they always lie they can't just say I'm a piece of I'm just not coming”
02:07:11
QuoteBrian quips that men start podcasts as therapy (vs. women going to actual therapy)
“yeah you know what male therapy is like women go to therapy Men start podcast yeah true”
02:36:18
ControversySelf-ratings round begins — Stiffler's question asks panel to rate looks 1-10
“ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead”
02:36:28
OtherRahima rates herself a 10
“10 10 I wasn't feeling my scarf but it's good”
02:36:44
OtherAshley rates herself a 7
“I I hate this question but yeah like a seven”
02:36:56
OtherBrian rates himself a 5 for looks
“I give myself a five”
02:39:37
OtherQ argues beauty standards are objective and cross-culturally consistent (Margot Robbie vs. Leslie Jones tweet)
“beauty is objective there's a consensus about what people will consider attractive and it's based on culturally”
02:41:50
OtherAdeline says she agrees everyone should consider themselves a 10 for self-confidence
“I agree because if you look good and you feel good that's what matters and then you're bringing that positivity into the world”
03:56:40
OtherBrian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife
“I would not be willing in that scenario to take a bullet for her”
04:06:40
ControversyBrian argues the 'bloodline' framing — dying for a woman is worse for his dynasty than surviving
“would it be more masculine and more Alpha to secure your bloodline and go on and survive and have the other person take the bullet”
04:18:10
OtherQ challenges Brian: if cheating 'doesn't mean anything' to men, why should they care?
“the only reason men shouldn't cheat is because women will interpret it wrong”
04:36:03
ControversyForrest Gump analysis — Brian calls it a catastrophe for men: Jenny rejected Forrest, got AIDS, had a kid, came back when he was rich
“she rejects forced Gump he gets rich off of shrimp she gets AIDS and has a kid and then once he's Rich of course then she her even though she rejected him”
Topics Discussed
00:00:20
Intro and guest introductions
Brian opens with announcements. Guests introduce themselves: Adeline Star (kick streamer/OF), Rahima (social media manager), Jordan (gym co-owner, married), Jade Warrick (film producer, Wales), Lauren (Bunny Ranch courtesan), Ashley (real estate), Natalie (political content creator), Q/The Quill (behavioral scientist). Includes Welsh language demonstration from Jade.
00:12:40
Relationship status round
Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Ashley's situation stands out: single 1 year but saw her ex (chiropractor, 31) the morning of the show. Ex cheated during a mutual break; she still loves him; he wants to reconcile. Jordan is married (5 years). Jade met boyfriend when he was on a date with someone else. Lauren (Bunny Ranch) is single; longest relationship 3 years. Rahima broke up during COVID in Bali.
01:07:11
Man vs. Bear debate
Viral TikTok hypothetical: would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear? Most panel chose 'bear' or deferred. Q and Jordan chose 'man'. Ashley, Lauren, and Rahima chose 'bear'. Brian argues women's preference for bear is social signaling about male distrust. Q counters that bears are statistically more dangerous. Title topic for the show.
01:36:00
Cheating discussion: male vs. female
Which is worse — male or female cheating? Panel and Q debate consequences vs. morality. Q argues female cheating is worse in terms of outcomes (women cheat emotionally, usually end the relationship; men cheat physically, relationship often survives). Lauren argues both are equally wrong. Q explains men's cheating motivation: greedy/novelty-seeking, not emotional dissatisfaction. Extended argument about why men shouldn't cheat if it doesn't mean anything.
01:58:23
Happy wife happy life / 40-50 year marriages
Q asks panel if they subscribe to 'happy wife happy life.' Panel mostly prefers 'balance' or 'happy spouse happy house.' Brian suggests the better phrasing. Q explains women experience more negative emotions in relationships and are more likely to end them, hence the focus on wife's happiness. Discussion extends to whether 40-50 year marriages are a thing of the past — panel says rare but possible; Brian cites feminism, dating apps, and entitlement as factors.
02:03:41
Brian rants about no-show guests
Brian reveals three guests no-showed for this episode. Shows a photo sent by one no-show claiming a car crash — but the photo shows overcast skies while it was a clear day in Santa Barbara. Brian 'goes off' about guests lying with fake excuses weekly (car crashes, family emergencies, traffic). The 'Brian GOES OFF' segment from the title.
02:11:40
What do you bring to a relationship + self-improvement flaws
Brian asks: what three things do you bring to a relationship? Each guest answers. Then: what's one thing you've done wrong in relationships and are working to improve? Highlights: Jade working on jealousy (boyfriend has poly background), Jordan working on not assuming during arguments, Rahima working on not trying to change partners, Ashley working on OCD/cleanliness triggers, Q wishes women understood male behavior differently.
02:23:20
Power couple discussion and Forrest Gump tangent
Brian reads Wikipedia definition of 'super couple / power couple.' Discussion includes what counts as a power couple. Brian goes on a Forrest Gump tangent: argues Jenny rejected Forrest, got AIDS, had a kid, then came back to Forrest after he got rich — 'a love story for women and an absolute catastrophe for men.'
02:36:18
Self-ratings round (looks)
Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Self-ratings: Rahima 10, Adeline 10, Jordan ~9, Lauren ~8.5, Jade ~7, Ashley 7, Q 6 (Brian pushed her up: 'you're more than a 6'), Natalie (not clearly captured), Brian 5. Extended discussion on whether rating yourself a 10 is delusional vs. empowering. Q argues beauty is objective and cross-culturally consistent.
02:36:36
Bumble swipe study
Brian pulls up Bumble and gives each guest 10 swipes on male profiles to observe selectivity. Panel judges based on first photo only. Discussion of what makes men swipeable, consistency of female standards across cultures, Francisco Lachowski (male model) vs. Luis Guzman comparison as masculine vs. conventionally attractive example.
03:05:00
Attraction peak age / when do women peak in looks
Q asks at what age women peak in attractiveness. Answers: Adeline and Jordan say 25-35; Jade says 25 based on genetics; Lauren and Q say around 35; Ashley says mid-to-late 20s; Brian agrees. Brian asks if each guest would fast-forward their looks 10 years with no health impact — Rahima says yes.
03:53:20
Should a man take a bullet for a woman?
Brian states he would not take a bullet for a girlfriend or wife. Panel debates chivalry, nobility, the bloodline argument (Brian), and sacrifice as the ultimate act of love. Discussion includes trolley problem variant, Genghis Khan dynastic framing, pro-choice vs. pro-life tangent, and whether women's expectation of sacrifice is hypocritical given their own choices. Brian rants about the argument being his 'magic bullet' topic that generates debate with anyone.
Transcript
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00:56:08
TTSdonated $200 the emotion you should be feeling is run the eff away the emotion I am feeling is get the rocks with a little
00:56:17
Ashleysend the nukes mixed in go find a real man that does not cheat I double dog dare you get the Rocks Abdul yeah get the rock get the rock have you guys ever
00:56:28
Ashleyheard of the saying like all men cheat do you guys believe that I don't I don't want to believe that it's not true yeah I don't believe in it but then again I wouldn't mind it cuz I'd want a
00:56:41
Brian Atlasrelationship where I think I've said here on yeah I said here then it's not cheating let me just finish up my my train of thought here so this potential like a potential new guy that's
00:56:51
Brian Atlasinterested in you this is going to be a if again if he's like a man who's worth anything that if a girl told me this bro I ain't I don't want that [ __ ]
00:57:02
Brian Atlasheadache in my life you're still hung up on your ex you got to be properly single if you want to date me I'm sure Q you don't want to date a girl who who's still hung up on her ex hanging out going to brunch hanging out doing
00:57:13
Brian Atlassleepovers who knows you know what you're not telling us and um and look I I'm giving you some tough love here I'm try I I know I'm coming off a bit abrasive I'm trying to give you a bit of
00:57:23
Brian Atlastough love this situation is absolutely Foo snafu [ __ ] up beyond all repair uh like I think you got to I think the intervention here
00:57:35
Brian Atlasis what are you going to do you're going to call him on the phone meet him in person have a soab sash honestly send him send him a thoughtful text I think you got to just end it you guys are already broken up anyways you said
00:57:47
Brian Atlasyou're single so it's like you don't you don't owe him a closure talk a breakup talk yeah send them a text be like look in order for me to meet somebody else move on with my life I got to I I got to
00:57:58
Brian Atlasdo a clean cut send him a text if you got to block him right after that's it he had his chance to be with you he [ __ ] it up he probably could still get you now but one of you's off fens at or
00:58:09
Brian AtlasI don't know who I think that we got to leave the past who knows what he's going to say but like he would say the same he would say the same thing in addition to this situation just being
00:58:21
Brian Atlassuper complicated like I just said it's going to present it's going to be a major issue for any relationships moving forward like this guy can't be in the picture thought about that but this guy
00:58:32
Brian Atlascan't be in the picture if you're trying to date somebody else and that guy who could be the guy who could be the guy you're going to lose him if he finds out this [ __ ] is going on with your ex
00:58:44
Brian Atlasand I know I'm saying it kind of rough but you need some you need some what's the term medicine right now love love yeah thank
00:58:53
Laurenyou actually really sweet of you he done to show you that he's not going to be texting other girls or looking at other girls or whatever like has he gone out of his way to make you feel comfortable
00:59:04
Laurenno does he offer you his phone and all he does he does yeah without you asking yeah or what do you mean without me asking like you don't have to ask he's just like hey I
00:59:16
Ashleyjust want to like he's like whatever you want whatever you want to do like if you want to see my phone if you want my location if you want this and that but I don't want any of that like I don't want your location that just seems to me
00:59:28
Ashleyweird you shouldn't have to have all that stuff I know but we got to that point you know so but now it's like you know I I I think
00:59:38
Jordanthat probably what's hard for you is because every time you want to leave you're reminded of the good yeah and they'll show you their best self you
00:59:49
Jordanknow to kind of pull you back in and that's I know for real so are you single yeah well we're going to move we're we're going to move on we're going to
01:00:01
Jordanmove on you don't have but my point was can I finish my point quick quick so my point was you don't have to like discard those good memories you could hold on to those memories you don't you got no Sor
01:00:12
Brian AtlasI'm sorry to interrup no I have to interrupt I have to interrupt that's terrible advice that's terrible advice it's disrespectful to your future partner to be thinking of that time he
01:00:22
Brian Atlashit it really well and all those no you this guy needs to be in a [ __ ] a th000 miles in the P this doesn't make it he's got to be a thousand years in the past you can't be thinking oh I'm
01:00:34
Brian Atlasremembering all the good memories it's disrespectful to the new guy that you're going to be with to be thinking about the good times with your ex it's rude it's it's disrespectful I'm sorry do you just delete a hard drive in your brain
01:00:46
Brian Atlasof every encounter you've ever had in your life well the memory is there but I'm not like reminiscing while I'm with my new girlfriend I never said that I
01:00:55
Brian Atlasremember it good with my other girl like I'm not you for all that okay well your brain's like a a filing cabinet okay she's going to keep honestly I know it's
01:01:06
Brian Atlasin your head but it's like bro imagine Q you're you're dating a girl you're in love with her you've been dating her for one two years and like let's say she reveals to you yeah I'm reminiscing
01:01:16
Brian Atlasabout my other ex and let's say we we could say it's terrible if it's sexual my cont he was he was remember I'm remembering all the times he was hitting it raw better than you blah blah blah
01:01:29
Brian Atlasand then oh also all the wholesome moments I'm Reminiscing on all the you know the cuddling and all the intimate moments can I oh my bro you got that that's in the past you think about it less as you like as the years go on for
01:01:41
Jordansure and definitely when you're in a new relationship you really shouldn't be like thinking about your ex constantly I mean clearly you haven't moved on okay but my point was it might help her
01:01:51
Brian Atlasthrough this hard time to just remember the good things no what are you talking about hold on no okay no I'm saying she needs to leave him first no no no no no
01:02:01
Brian Atlasno why this is such a dog [ __ ] advice no offense in order for her to get over her no stop stop stop stop stop stop stop in order for her to your advice is in order
01:02:12
Brian Atlasfor her to get over her ex she needs to think about all the amazing good times she had with her ex that's [ __ ] sorry I dropped the r word but that's actually [ __ ] here's you
01:02:25
Brian Atlasalready broke the first I know but I had to it was actually AR first of all first of all I did not say in order to that's what you literally said no I did not you said roll back okay you said something along the lines
01:02:35
Brian Atlasof during this hard breakup time just keep thinking of all stop just keep thinking of all those really good times you had with your ex that's the worst advice for getting over an ex what are
01:02:47
Rahimayou talking about conf okay simple when you're making a pros and cons list of why to get over or why to stay with someone you do think of the good and then you think of the bad times and when you're doing your like you're weighing
01:02:59
Rahimathose options you decide that what was negative is overseeing what was positive so you do need to think about the negative give me the positive sorry bro you guys [Music]
01:03:11
Brian Atlasare I I just I don't even know what to say this is getting crazy last thing on this and I'm going to move it on um my gosh ultimately though the big
01:03:20
Brian Atlasthing is is that this is for for any for any men that was perfect timing this is absolutely cat catastrophic if you're considering like this is why it's so
01:03:32
Brian Atlasimportant for as a guy you need to screen out girls that are still like hung up on their exes this will absolutely like the chances of her like getting into a three-month thing with
01:03:45
Brian Atlassome other guy and it's like there's there's a budding relationship there there's a decent likelihood that her ex is in the back of her mind and if he comes back and he's like babe I miss you
01:03:55
Brian Atlasso much let's get back together I've changed I'll do better boom that 3mon relationship is down the [ __ ] toilet you best believe she's getting back with her ex you best believe it that's why I
01:04:07
Brian Atlasonly date women that aren't like [ __ ] hung up on the ex don't date me I'm just saying that's what you're saying Brian what has he done I don't I wouldn't recommend a guy to date you given look you seem perfectly Pleasant you're an
01:04:19
Brian Atlasattractive girl great I wouldn't recommend a guy getting involved with you or a woman like you who's current currently still H hung up on on your ex and you're still hanging out with him
01:04:30
Jordan / Jadethat's that's not a good look right I wouldn't even go on the first date with with a girl who's in that sort of situation Brian may I ask you a question what's up um I think what they were saying is they don't want her to become bitter in her memories with
01:04:43
Brian Atlashim do you have any who cares what her who cares do you have any fond memories of anyone you've been with abs sure absolutely but I'm not in an effort to get over you didn't delete it completely
01:04:54
Brian Atlasyes if I go into my brain I can think back precisely but I'm your advice is is for her to start meditating on these past good experiences again with the throwing in the words in my mouth I did
01:05:06
Jordannot say that I said she doesn't have to completely throw away the good times when she's really going through a hard times she can think back yes there were good times and bad times but the bad times outweighed the good times and
01:05:18
Q / Natalieshe's choosing herself like I don't know if the bad times I this is yeah the good I don't know if the bad times are we the good times otherwise she would have been
01:05:30
Ashleyleft if it was if it was that severe to the point to where she experienced some acute trauma she would have been left I think rantic but I invested so much of my time and energy and scoot back scoot
01:05:43
Brian Atlasback but it is what it is and I'll figure it out guys I promise I know you will thank you see you can on your own don't cast Pearls Before Swine I gave
01:05:52
Ashleyyou great advice no I am taking it and I appreciate it but yeah but this look uh it's kind of like it's I'm not saying it as like oh I'm not going to do anything
01:06:04
Ashleyabout it like I have been actively seeing him trying to figure it out you know and I know I know the clock is ticking I know I have to make my
01:06:14
Brian Atlasdecision so it will be done s like the norm the healthy thing after breakup there's no contact you can't be hanging out with them it makes it [ __ ] impossible to move on especially if
01:06:26
Brian Atlasyou're still like having if you're still sleeping with them you're I know you don't want to get into that I'm just going to assume it's been the case though you break up you're still sleeping with them occasionally you're still hanging out with them cuddling
01:06:37
Brian Atlaswhatever it makes it impossible to move on yeah like so anyways I can I can just keep reiterating the same point it's not clear to me if you're going to take it but um I am do to get to that place
01:06:50
Jordanwhere she asks herself those really really hard questions like have a moment with yourself like and really think about that really think about what
01:06:59
Brian Atlasyou're doing are you am I wasting my time or not anyways moving on moving on she went to the rest on yeah well I'm going to read a chat Dylan Loi unfortunately streamlabs isn't letting
01:07:11
Brian Atlasme re-trigger it so I'm just going to have to read it uh so hold on one sec guys he says let's test the delusion tonight ladies you're alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or a
01:07:23
Adeline Starman you don't know please explain your pick starting with you go ahead I would say a man that I don't
01:07:33
Adeline Starknow because he might have tools to help and if he's a terrible person then I'll take him out like that's it okay um you didn't specify the bear so I'm going to
01:07:46
Rahimaassume it's a sunbear and they are very cute so I'm going to choose the bear you chose the bear the sun bear they never said which bear no so you just assuming
01:07:56
Rahimayou Indian I could exactly so I could be a koala bear no that's not but still I choose the bear beautiful the
01:08:05
Brian Atlasman the man I would choose the bear I would choose the bear you wait say it one more time I think we missed it I would choose the bear okay
01:08:20
Ashleywhy um because like a man that I don't know sounds really scary yeah in the forest too doing something I don't like that yeah may you know a bear weighs like well
01:08:29
Laurenover 400 lb why would literally rip your skin off your face I have H Hy is it called Hydrophobia so there well there's a fear of forests and um I have a really big fear of like going in the forest
01:08:42
Laurenlike alone and especially if a man came there like I'm like oh my gosh damn triggered and and but a bear I could just be like let the Bear live its life and I'll just you know get out my
01:08:53
Brian Atlasbinocular or whatever did you all say man man I said man all of you said man I said Bear Let's assume it's like a a a Grizzly and they most likely don't
01:09:04
Laurenattack unless provoked well plus my mom worked missing person so like a man in the forest was always a bad bad sign
01:09:11
Brian AtlasI'll take the grizzly why man hunt oh wait so man bear man man bear bear do you want to answer this what's the question what man and bear okay you're
01:09:24
Brian Atlaslone in the you're alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or a man you don't know explain your pick oh so I'm basically like rolling out the
01:09:35
Laurendice on what kind of guy this is I sure yeah um I guess I'm alone in the
01:09:45
Laurenwoods and a bear maybe I mean because I kind of know what to do if I encounter a bear you like okay maybe I don't do you play dead or
01:09:57
Laurendo you make yourself big I don't know I think it depends on the bear it depends on the color I don't know but a man if he's good then I want the man because he'll protect me if he's bad then I don't know what to do you don't know you
01:10:08
Jordandon't exactly so I guess um the bear it's just what are your chances like which what would you rather take your chances on yeah a bear because
01:10:18
Brian Atlasa bear you can like maybe get to leave you alone but a man is just like I don't know can you what is the origin what so what is I've I've heard this it's been
01:10:29
Brian Atlasgoing I guess viral recently on Tik Tok what's the origination of this question I think one of it is is it pointing out that women have this perception of men that they're dangerous and so it's on
01:10:41
Brian Atlasone hand it's saying women feel this way about men but isn't it a bit I mean the the sort of overwhelming answers for women being more comfortable with a bear
01:10:52
Laurenseems like it's actually a bit sexist no I just explain why you know how to handle a bear you like make yourself big and they leave you alone if it's a man
01:11:03
Q / Natalieyou make yourself big he's doesn't care he could hurt you we should be a you have to think worst casee scenario you're alone in the woods yeah I mean the worst case scenario is the [ __ ]
01:11:14
Q / Natalieman can talk the bear the bear don't understand English the bear could be hungry to a woman other than just like calling her bad wa men are not that's his whole point men are not inherently bad no not going to hurt you you stumble
01:11:26
Q / Natalieacross a man in the woods chances are he's not going to hurt you and that's the whole point of the question the bear is absolutely has a a more like U um a larger probability of hurting you than a man does in the woods and it's that
01:11:38
Rahimasimple sure disag you can disagree but it ain't that ain't it's it's a fact it's a fact a bear wants to hunt a bear does not attack humans like unless it's a polar bear a man I don't know what
01:11:49
Q / Natalieyou're doing in the woods and even some bears attack people don't you watch Des animals on on Netflix don't you dare bring some bears into this convers they attack people they attack people they
01:12:00
Q / Nataliethey attack people and then if and black bears attack people grizzly bears attack people there's and Men attack people too yeah but a man is a man is not going to hurt you well let me ask you guys a
01:12:11
Brian Atlasquestion right like let's say the scenario is like of all the men that you've walked past throughout your life where they all had they possibly had an opportunity to
01:12:24
Brian Atlasattack you did they did they yeah but you weren't alone in the woods wait you're I don't I don't even I'm not even the kind of like actually I hold hold on hold on let me go around the table asking this question
01:12:36
Brian Atlaslet's say you were alone in the woods and you walked past a man what do you guys think
01:12:45
Brian Atlaslike what do you think the probability is that just any random man would attack you if he were to walk past you let's say you're on the hike through a trail or something what do you think this
01:12:58
Adeline Starprobability is that he would attack you I feel like it's you never know what if you had to assign a percent I'd say
01:13:07
Brian Atlas50/50 okay what about you yeah alone in the woods why are you alone in the woods he's hunting let's say let's say it's just have you ever
01:13:18
Brian Atlashave you guys ever been hiking alone yes no not alone well there's popular Trails okay whatever sc's going to hear me scream like okay let's okay fine you've walked past
01:13:30
Ashleypeople while you're on a hike I've hiked alone before yeah and it's always like it feels like 5050 yeah what you okay hold on let's go around the table fully on this what about
01:13:42
Jordanyou well I wouldn't hike alone as a woman you just don't do that I do um I think it I think in and generally it's not safe to do that as a woman
01:13:53
Jordanespecially at night okay now we're adding other factors why well because then you're you could be a potential victim
01:14:04
Brian Atlasto what of a creepy man wanting to hurt you or what do you think the percentage chance is though
01:14:15
Jordanassault you okay what's the percentage chance I don't know but I would say if it was me um
01:14:25
Jordan / Jade3070 30 being he would assault me 37 is that 307 3070 split 70 wait 30 30% chance that he would okay what about
01:14:36
Jordan / Jadeyou um well I chose the man um because right yeah be a pretty scary um especially if it's like a mama bear and she's got like a kid oh you you
01:14:45
Jordan / Jadereasonable yeah um but but also if you are alone in the woods I do understand like a woman's fear being around a man because I've been in a room with a man
01:14:56
Jordan / Jadeon my own and been like oh he's giving me some weird energy over here and yes if he feels as if he could get away with it you're in the middle of like you know the Pacific Northwest and it's the woods
01:15:07
Jordan / Jadeit's like the Sasquatch area right it's very very covered um there is a chance that a man would attack but I don't know what the percentage is I would still choose the man over a bear I have a question well I want to get everybody's
01:15:20
Laurenanswer on this so just give us quick if you can uh well my uh perspective probably isn't appropriate for you two but um I was victim of a violent crime
01:15:30
Laurenyep but okay what percentage I don't well I've been victim of a few crimes but one was really bad but so I would say a high percentage
01:15:41
TTSjust from what I've seen what give us a percentage 85 grid One Motorsports donated $200 trick question a man alone in the woods is already tired of a woman shite
01:15:54
TTSthus a woman alone in the woods will never even know he was there and he would likely take pity on the bear that ate he what about you what percentage I'd
01:16:04
Laurensay 5050 5050 okay um I'm not sure but I think it'd be very low like less than 10% I think most men are good and would
01:16:15
Jordanbe good like not to sound bad but like especially if you're a pretty woman you're young you're attractive depends what you're wearing like not to be rude but like girls who are like overweight or who were not attractive they're
01:16:28
Jordanprobably not going to be like assaulted as much I I think if you're attractive he would be more inclined to help you yeah that's true but also more inclined to hurt you if he's the wrong
01:16:38
Brian Atlaskind of guy if he's the wrong kind of guy is insane I think there's just too many variables I think women have a victim complex and they have a really
01:16:49
Brian Atlasinflated look of course there's me there's monsters out there there's men who do terrible things this is a very small portion of men a very small
01:16:58
Brian Atlasportion of men who who are criminals who have an inclination to uh attack women or assault women in whatever way that might manifest itself um so the way you
01:17:10
Brian Atlasfeel but like to hear these numbers say 50% 80 I don't know I heard what was the highest one 85 was that you who said 85% I said 85 oh I don't know what did you
01:17:19
Brian Atlassay what percentage I said 30% 30 50 50 it's like it's a coin toss just walking by so basically what you guys are saying is
01:17:30
Adeline Star50% of men if given the opportunity would essay you would assault you essentially that's no that's only the man the W you never it's a 50/50 chance
01:17:43
Brian Atlasyou never you don't know I probably say 20% these are in of course you don't know what any given man
01:17:52
Jordanexactly a lot of us were also taught to like not go out at night alone as a woman you don't do that I think the I think the factor is you don't put yourself in that position it's a wooded
01:18:03
LaurenAR yeah it's a creepy yeah right the set no there's no surve creep I think it also depends on your how you grew up like I remember you know I mean bust my mom's heart but I grew up you know kind of interesting and some
01:18:17
Laurenyou know she worked missing person she was a police officer so sometimes she'd be like you left the door unlocked and I'd be like yeah and she'd be like say something very dark that would happen to
01:18:26
Laurenme and I'd be like whoo okay and that would be like for years decades and and so you kind of just internalize it and yeah you let it go but at the end of the day there's always that kind of lurking
01:18:37
Q / Natalielike what but also but also I think this speaks volumes to the biased negative perception that y'all have towards men because if you ask me the most likely man to be in the woods is a [ __ ] park
01:18:48
Q / Natalieranger oh yeah that is no but I mean you automatically assume the oh a guy in the woods what is he doing in the woods it could be a park ranger would you feel better if it was a set would feel better
01:19:00
Q / Nataliebut yeah anytime there's an open-ended question the human mind is going to play into whatever its biases are so that's why I said that's why I said assment we saying more question
01:19:11
Q / Nataliegoing us figure out how you know women perceive men so we're not going to we know not to be like well it's probably a perk Ranger like no but it it's open-ended so it could go either way the
01:19:23
Q / Nataliefact that they literally stay a man in the woods is creepy that's open-ended a man in the woods a man in the woods you give him a it could be a part May more like alone with no one mil
01:19:36
Q / NatalieI never said that no not you I think she said I said I prefer animals over humans and I want to no I think you said a man in the woods is just creepy one of you said a man in the woods is just creepy I think it was probably me was it you probably me one of Y but if it's a park
01:19:48
Laurenranger he's not creepy but I I take back the 80% cuz I was thinking 80% with a man in the woods odds that would be creepy but but if it was like just a regular man like on the street 20% not
01:19:59
Jordan / Jadenot high can I ask the group ask the group of question is it related to this yes okay um Has any woman here taken like self-defense classes and does that build your confidence and do you think
01:20:10
Jordan / Jadethat your chances of surviving something like that encounter you're describing would be higher given those lessons so after the crime that happened um I was
01:20:20
Laurenvery scared and I actually took um like karate um when I you know didn't have this going on and I took karate for like I would say like 3 to 4 months and I really liked it and I just kind of
01:20:32
Laurenstopped and I don't know why but um I I felt a lot of power doing that and I don't I don't know how much I could ward off but it felt cool like it was good I think it's good for women to m i I don't
01:20:45
Brian Atlashave any objections to women learning self-defense tactics taking a martial arts Jiu-Jitsu kickboxing whatever uh however I mean unless you you rise to very top levels in that
01:20:57
Brian Atlassport the likelihood that you're going to be able to dispatch a man who has 60 lbs on you or even who's probably the same weight there's such a a strength discrepancy between men and women even
01:21:08
Brian Atlasof the same weight I got to be honest like self-defense classes are probably not going to be sufficient I think it was psychological I think it felt good
01:21:20
Brian Atlaswell that's the other thing like you're it's typically when it comes to your your s of you feeling unsafe that that's exactly what it is you feel unsafe whether you actually with this whole
01:21:31
Brian Atlasbear scenario you might feel that way but the reality is what what you feel and what is reality is very different yeah like it probably won't happen again keep in mind we chose man for a reason
01:21:42
Jordanwe know that the man the man is more than likely not going to hurt us or attack us we're not saying that but you're also asking woman if I were to ask you if you were alone in the woods would you rather you know be with a
01:21:54
Jordanwoman or a man you would I mean you know a woman or a bear then you would choose the woman but women on average get assaulted by men than vice versa kind of so you're sure that's fine right women
01:22:07
Brian Atlasdisplay aggression in very different ways though sure but yeah so I mean and now actually I think when I mean jeez we are we I don't know if I really want to
01:22:19
Brian Atlasgo down that road but um uh I don't think selfdefense defense would really help you with most men like if you're like UFC champion woman you
01:22:30
Brian Atlascan probably actually like beat the [ __ ] out of a guy who's for sure your size I think who's untrained can I ask a question have you ever had a swift kick in the bollocks the B is that the ball a swift kick in the bollocks like you've been
01:22:43
Jordan / Jadekicked in the nuts is that what they teach you in the self-defense classes yeah in the UK I did two years of military training and then two years of cop mcard training and the best thing they teach women is the bollocks yeah I would I would say
01:22:55
Brian Atlasyou don't have to be UFC you just have to get them there and it hurts doesn't it it hurt a little bit yeah yeah but you think he would really like like do you think like the what you see in the
01:23:07
Brian Atlasmovies where if you were to strike a guy in the nuts he would just like oh fall over and he can no longer control his motor like should we test it out maybe if you Ma
01:23:18
Jordan / Jadehim I'm pretty sure say that's a good start I'm not going to tell people how to attack men I'm just saying if you take those they teach you how about this let me give women better advice go get a
01:23:27
Brian Atlasfirearm that that'll equalize that'll equalize much more than that that'll help you out much more in a self-defense situation against a man than taking
01:23:39
Brian Atlasyears of BJJ okay her yeah also like I don't know it's pretty you just block can you just block the nutshot I don't know we test the
01:23:51
Laurentheory I think it's kind of crazy to see like you know it's like you said with the biases and everything I think it's really nice how much you way Gustavo 140 140 anybody here anybody here way more than
01:24:02
Brian Atlas140 like I'm pretty sure can't ask that question all right yeah you're right okay sorry the autism's kicking in all the whole I don't know the whole bear
01:24:13
Brian Atlasthing though it's like uh it kind of it's weird because on one hand it's like I feel like women think it's like a w yeah we're more scared of
01:24:23
Brian Atlasmen than Bears kind like ridiculous yeah no well that then why why else would like all these women say I'd rather be with the bear like CU
01:24:35
Brian Atlasthey're dumb well cuz like I'd rather be with a safe man look there's there's absolutely but I feel safe with there's absolutely men that would that do and would attack women but like I would
01:24:46
Brian Atlasargue that it's a risk that there's a greater likelihood that you end up with a harmless man who might actually help you you're stuck in the forest he'll
01:24:55
Brian Atlassave you he'll save you IIT whereas if you cross paths you cross paths with a bear most bears actually don't attack I don't know the stats on that that's
01:25:06
Brian Atlaspolar bears but the rest of them don't so still attack I don't know and you're smaller than a man as well I don't know I'm pretty sure like if you small
01:25:17
Brian Atlasthan both cross paths with a bear like you have to think okay what's the worst scenario for both okay the guy is a piece of [ __ ] who wants to assault you
01:25:27
Brian Atlasokay the bear is uh a [ __ ] the the babies are there it's a mama bear it's going to [ __ ] you up it's going to Maul you if it was babies I would be scared
01:25:38
Brian Atlasof the bear if the babies were here's a here's a question right um let's say you're not alone in the forest and you're with like a group you're with
01:25:47
Laurenanother man mhm would you rather cross paths with two men or two bears two two men depends how big the man is two men two men I would say two men I would say
01:26:00
Brian Atlastwo men two men for sure because then one is there to watch if anything there's definitely a bias against I mean there's a bias against men when it comes to this stuff the
01:26:11
Brian AtlasBears are Predator the vast majority the vast majority of men would never hurt a woman in this sort of hypothetical situation yeah there's monsters out there there's pieces of [ __ ] but the
01:26:22
Q / Natalievast majority of men are good men who would probably help you so it's not the ideal situation regardless of who you come across crazy say that bear they
01:26:34
Jordanmust assume is Ted Bundy assum I don't think anyone was assuming anything I maybe I think maybe she feels a certain way because she's been through things so you have to
01:26:46
Brian Atlasunderstand that but I don't think any of us are actually assuming a guy would just attack us I hope this isn't offensive but let me ask you a question for those of you who you had bad experiences with
01:26:59
TTSmen before what if that guy slingshot donated $200 rather than wasting your money on jiujitsu Karate self defense classes go
01:27:11
TTStake you a gun and safety course and get your CCP it's way more useful against a Predator versus some fancy karate move
01:27:20
Brian Atlasyeah I mean you can get a firearm and you could you could kill the best male heavyweight UFC fighter if he's got his hands you've got a gun like GG well
01:27:31
Jordan / Jadeplayed so it's just yeah look it's not the gun wasn't a factor in the original question and also there it was a factor in my scenario it's really difficult to also get a firearm um especially as an
01:27:43
Jordan / Jadeimmigrant shootly um and then there's also places you can't take your firearm and you know you won't have it on you all the time so I think yes agree but also it's going to be hard to do that 24
01:27:54
Brian Atlasseven for me he had a firearm yikes I know right anyways I totally forgot what else oh yeah no
01:28:05
Laurenworries uh do I go there probably not it's been like 5 years so okay I'm kind of like over it but but but I'm I'm Wiser now and I did Karate it did make me feel better it did
01:28:16
Brian Atlasreally made me feel better my yeah I don't give a [ __ ] okay what does it change the question at all if like if we were to put like would you
01:28:28
Brian Atlasrather be in the force alone with a bear or a man of X race like let's say let's let's racialize this a little bit let's
01:28:37
Adeline Starsay what about like a minority group no does that change anything you change no I think I think what it is is and I don't mean to speak yeah no worries no worries I know it's so awkward I wish it
01:28:50
Adeline Stardidn't happen so no I don't mean to speak for you but I think it's about where you place the most risk and what you have the most like how you view the
01:28:59
Adeline Starthe the greatest risk and so it's like if you um for me I chose a man because I automatically know the Bear's intent and
01:29:11
TTSthat bear could intentionally like potentially hurt me just Gerald donated $200 black bear will run brown bear will charge grizzly bear will hold you down
01:29:24
TTSand eat pieces off of you while you're still alive screaming Bears will kill you quickly and eat you quickly goodness all good to see in the
01:29:34
Adeline Starchat man yeah so I I just just to wrap that up I I just feel like you answer it based on where you see the most risk and if you see the most risk in in a man or versus a bear and for me it's like I
01:29:46
Adeline Starknow the Bear's intent and I'm not going to assume the man's intent so I'm going to choose him and a bear is a different animal and I don't know how large this potential bear is but it's a it's a different animal I don't know how to
01:29:59
Adeline Starhandle Bears I don't know any knowledge so I'm going to choose a Man based on my knowledge and my experience you guys is different and you have different viewpoints so that's why you choose I do have to move I do got to move on I do
01:30:10
Brian Atlashave to move It On official Brandon Collins what's up everyone joining the stream late hey Lauren glad to see you back hope you're well question for the panel what your types are chubby guys okay does size actually matter we
01:30:21
Brian Atlastypically prefer to only like one question per thing so um what are your types are chubby guys okay uh I'm just going to do the last one since we we do like one question per chat but thank you
01:30:33
Adeline StarBrandon Collins um we'll just do does size actually matter it's about the motion in the
01:30:42
Adeline Starocean and your ability to please word I agree I agree yeah Size Doesn't Matter size doesn't matter to me uh so we're
01:30:51
Laurennot speaking on body type it's like the size of the pee PE okay no Size Doesn't Matter oh I was going to say the size of his heart does matter a yeah does
01:31:05
Brian Atlassweet okay uh we have Nickelodeon here the sadly ironic part is women only like men that treat them like shite but look for a Disney romance but if they ever found
01:31:16
Backgroundthat romantic Noble sweet man he would give them the ick what not true think so don't speak generalities but
01:31:27
Brian Atlasyou guys have heard about the this sort of Trope or stereotype which is true of women being attracted to and liking bad boys and jerks and [ __ ] I think like an [ __ ] to the world but a gentleman
01:31:39
Ashleyto your girl type thing you know that still sounds pretty so he treats everyone else like [ __ ] no no no like tough boy exterior tough boy exterior but like inside like tough boy
01:31:51
Ashleyisn't like he can get [ __ ] done he'll protect you he'll be able to defend you we're Shifting the goal post a little bit here but is it a little bit but I do think I mean it is the case that women
01:32:02
Jordanare attracted to Bad Boys what's your definition of a bad boy I mean it's hard to precisely that's the yeah I think I think girls are definitely like attracted to that but as
01:32:13
Ashleyfar as like them being relationship material no yeah no I think it's like wired in US kind of to like like a strong yeah women are attracted to cues of masculinity mhm
01:32:25
Brian Atlasokay we have diedin 0430 hey thank you ma'am really appreciate the message the best way to choose your partner is to ask the question if your future children had any
01:32:36
Brian Atlaschoice in the world would they have picked that person as their father that's interesting oh so you're making a decision for your children so what would your children choose would they
01:32:49
Laurenwant that guy as the father I guess so cuz they wouldn't be born born if it wasn't that guy technically it's their
01:33:00
Jordanjeans I mean well I'm not sure if that's really what the question is getting at well yes Tech step over but yeah I get
01:33:10
Brian Atlasthe point yeah yeah although well yeah then that specific child wouldn't have been born yeah he'd be somebody else
01:33:20
Jordanlike would your future kids want your spouse to be a parent David trec did I say it right this time let me know I think I did
01:33:32
Brian Atlastrec distracted on the call any response to last comment I'll pull it up after this pepper spray is better for bears and men I've encountered black and brown bears in the wild and you just hold
01:33:41
Brian Atlasstill respect to park rager CMT comment comment oh okay and then this is the one he was referring to panel man who is a nine but split 50/50
01:33:53
Brian Atlascost of life or Mistress of your favorites Leb all paid in the penthouse 10year older man who Rings it and set for life or Brian or Gustavo
01:34:05
Brian Atlas6040 going on there so he's asking you to pick between a man who is I'll do it one more time hold on Boom there it is
01:34:17
Brian Atlasuh he's he's a nine but splits I guess it's a 50/50 relationship or you can be the Mistress of your favorite celeb everything's paid for in
01:34:26
Brian Atlasa penthouse but you're the mistress he's a 10y older man who Rings it and you're set for life he would ring his mistress Brian or Gustavo and it's a 64 bro this
01:34:39
Adeline Staris so complicated uh yeah so going around the table on this I'm going to get up for a bit if you want to take over for okay yep going around the table starting with you thank you I would do the 10-year-old
01:34:49
Q / Natalieman who rings and sets me up for life as the mistress is he saying the Miss separ are they all separate okay all right a man who's 10 years older and
01:35:01
Nataliemarries you sets you up for life right can you pull it back up Maddie you know how to pull it back up wait does I'll read it okay panel man who is nine but split 50/50 cost of life or Mistress of
01:35:14
Natalieyour favorite celebrity all paid in a penthouse or 10-year-old or man who Rings it in and set for life okay you're
01:35:25
Natalieolder that seems like easier so basically a really a very attractive guy but he only goes 50/50 for you Mistress of your favorite celebrity
01:35:36
Natalieso you don't really have to pay for anything or a 10year older man who sets you up for Life 10year older man easy
01:35:46
Natalie10y older man I don't know if I got that right but easy one older man yeah I think that's what they were asking
01:35:55
Q / Nataliewhat about you I guess yeah older guy older guy yeah yeah the older guy that was a really I a he Comm maybe that was yeah I I get it I get it that's kind of
01:36:06
Q / Nataliean easy choice if you understand women I mean I see the same thing older guy what they want marriage stability the older guy too said that you could be a 10 and
01:36:19
Laurenthinking of like realistically like statistically realistic like um example of someone 5050 I don't know if I would like want that type of a relationship
01:36:28
Laurenlike all the time that's super strict and then you know uh I don't know uh any of their like pref well I know you know Brian's preferences is to not date adult
01:36:39
Laurenladies so I was like okay that is statistically no no adult worker lady so I'm a sex it was I didn't want to say the s word yeah no no I didn't want to
01:36:51
Laurensay the s word um on there sorry friend likes only adult yeah yeah so sorry clear that up yeah it yeah um and I didn't know your dating preferences either so I didn't want to intrude and
01:37:01
Q / Natalieand then so I think the older guy okay I got a I got a question for the panel what would you lady say is worse a man cheating or a woman cheating
01:37:13
Adeline Starwhich form of infidelity would you consider worse same I think it's equal equal equal I think it's equal and if you want me to elaborate I think it's like a are you cheating is the other
01:37:25
Adeline Staryou're not being fulfilled like so I think it kind of goes both ways if the manage there's no it's it's about the reasoning it's not about the gender it's about why you did it I think it's a woman yeah I was going to go off with
01:37:37
Rahimathat I mean statistically women cheat emotionally and I feel like when women cheat it's like deeper than that but it is equal they cheating's wrong if if if it's deeper than that you still feel like it's
01:37:49
Rahimaequal I feel like when women cheat there's like I feel like men generally it's mostly about sex and women it's like they're not being emotionally fulfilled okay so it's hurts hurter maybe for the woman when they get to
01:38:02
Laurenthat level but I think it's cheating's wrong on both ends so no one's right what what did you say yeah equal equal and you say equal I would say women it is more emotional um that's that's what
01:38:14
LaurenI would gather from what I've witnessed over time and you said equal yeah I think equal if yeah yeah equal I think it's worse when the woman
01:38:29
Q / Nataliecheats well not not because I'm being biased towards myself but I think it's worse when the woman cheats because one most women cheat for emotional reasons they're emotionally dissatisfied and most of the time they fall in love with
01:38:42
Q / Nataliethe guy that they're cheating with and the relationship ends whereas a guy if you know guys are cheating just to have sex most women still can find forgiveness and perceive forward with
01:38:53
Q / Nataliewith the relationship so ultimately the way I'm framing it is if a a woman cheats the relationship ends if a man cheats the relationship doesn't
01:39:02
Q / Natalienecessarily end and let me add the the final variable when a woman cheats she risks getting deleted what what oh okay were you went
01:39:15
Rahimaoff in a tangent there's a difference between you're asking the difference between emotional cheating and physical cheating both men and women can do no no no I just said which is worse because you're bringing it back to what I said about emotional cheating versus physical cheating which both genders do both just
01:39:28
Laurenwomen have a more preference for emotional cheating than men but men can still emotionally cheat yeah but they don't they rarely do but then why were you telling her she should leave the guy when what's the problem with her and that guy then why shouldn't she go back
01:39:40
Q / Natalieto him I said she should cut him off if she wants to get over him but why should she get over him why shouldn't she just be with him she I didn't say she couldn't I never said that you didn't hear me say that but then why should she cut him off I think cuz she she say she
01:39:52
Q / Nataliedoesn't want to be with him why doesn't she want to be with them cuz they're besties for life I have she has a new boyfriend you tried to get me with a trap I didn't say that I didn't say that at all you think she should go back and
01:40:04
Q / Nataliebe with him honestly I think they going to end up together anyway just ccle back it would be good for her to be with him based on his behavior I don't disagree
01:40:12
Ashleyfine don't know just to Circle back your point is is kind of why it is was difficult to see it as because I know
01:40:23
Ashleymen like the sex thing is different from like the emotion thing right like if a woman cheats it's emotion when when a man cheats so that's what would make it difficult in my head because I'm like
01:40:33
Rahimaokay he's not like in love with this other girl but he just wants it's like that's the thing it's it's not cut and dry we just based on our genders and our needs and relationships men can still
01:40:45
Rahimaemotionally cheat yeah but they don't most of the time that's what I'm saying men have families of multiple women and they they leave their wives for their mistresses it's still emotionally it's like but it's a matter of what happens
01:40:56
Q / Nataliein actuality do you think that actually makes women feel any better or hurt any less I'm not talking about the emotional state I'm talking about the I'm talking I'm talking about I'm talking about the outcome and what's more likely to happen
01:41:08
Adeline Starversus what actually are you talking about like what's sorry what's worse is the consequence are you asking about like the consequ I'm using I'm using I'm using the consequences to to determine
01:41:19
Adeline Starwhat actually makes I was under the impression that you were asking like if a morality standpoint to as opposed to what is what
01:41:30
Adeline Starwhat what consequences are worse when a man cheats or a woman cheats so I think it's just kind of like what you were looking for I didn't understand what consequences that's my fault I assume I
01:41:42
Q / Natalieassumed y'all would interpret it that way but okay yeah so so the consequences and that's why I said If a woman cheats she's also more likely I I don't know if we can say it on stream but she's also more likely to be deleted but you guys
01:41:53
Q / Natalieknow what that means clarify I know I know what yeah most actually most actually most actually most spousal deletions are due to perceived
01:42:05
Q / Natalieinfidelity or actual infidelity so most of woman deletes herself no the man deletes the woman yeah the man deletes the woman yes oh wow in most cases where you hear about a a spouse committing
01:42:18
Adeline Starthat act on their spouse and it's a male on female is due to perceived infidelity or actual infidelity well the consequences are definitely going to be worse because you know although we live in a modern world and this and that like
01:42:30
Adeline Starif a woman cheats on a man she is potentially putting her you know safe not only her safety but also her well-being her livelihood you know finances her home things like that you
01:42:42
Adeline Starknow all of that can go down the drain so the consequences are much greater and women have much more to lose in a way if they were to cheat that's what the kind
01:42:54
Natalieof responsibility you explained it perfectly perectly yes I agree with like your answer but I just don't think that a lot of women think that way so when a man cheats on a woman she thinks it's
01:43:06
Q / Natalieemotionally which is why she takes it a lot harder yeah you yeah you're right that's why um that's even when I deal with clients the number one thing women who
01:43:16
Q / Nataliehave been cheated on will ask is if he loves her a lot of women want to know does he love her because because women interpret male behavior in the same way they know they would do it or what it
01:43:28
Q / Nataliemeans when they do it so she's wondering why did he cheat on me is he emotionally dissatisfied am I not enough for him do he does he not love me that's normally what they're thinking and then I have to explain to him no not necessarily guys
01:43:41
Q / Natalieare just greedy we have a we have a preference for novelty we want our cake and you know want have our cake eat it too so yeah but do you get it so why shouldn't men cheat then who said they
01:43:53
Laurenshouldn't I'm just saying I'm saying do you counsel men I counsel both do so if it's no big deal like they just do it cuz they're greedy whatever like it doesn't mean anything are you saying it doesn't are you saying it doesn't mean
01:44:05
Q / Natalieanything if they cheat I'm saying it doesn't mean what women think it means so and and okay so if if a man cheats on a woman if I'm dealing with a woman who has been cheated on she wants to know is the relationship hanging in the balance
01:44:17
Q / Nataliedoes this guy not love her anymore I'm asking you what does it mean if a man cheats most at the time he's just cheating because the opportunity presented itself he just want to rock so it doesn't really mean anything yeah it doesn't mean it doesn't mean he's going to leave the relationship so then why
01:44:30
Laurenshouldn't he do it if it doesn't mean anything why shouldn't a man cheat if it doesn't mean anything yeah well morally it can be emotionally damaging can why it doesn't mean anything to the woman yeah to the woman I'm speaking
01:44:42
Laurenobjectively the woman doesn't perceive it that way the woman doesn't so do you councel men and tell them it's fine to cheat oh the only reason men shouldn't cheat is because women will interpret it wrong
01:44:55
Q / Nataliethe only reason men is because women will interpret way of betrayal yeah you don't want you don't want your partner to feel bet is a wild thing to say it is but it's reality I'm a realist it's not reality so do you think does mean something go ahead it does mean
01:45:08
Laurensomething what does it mean because other men would say that it does mean something what does it mean there are other men who would say yeah it means something it's not just women who will say that what does it mean it means he's not loyal he's not faithful I'm not
01:45:21
Laurensaying he's not disciplined yeah he's not discipline he doesn't have self-control he's putting himself over you okay yeah and that's wrong what's the point of having a relationship if people are just going to like act like
01:45:32
Q / Nataliethat but you framed it that way though that's what you said I was I asked the question about what's worse you just added all those different factors well should have you just said should have Man cheat I didn't say he should I
01:45:44
Laurenexplained why I gave you approximate explanation of why he said why shouldn't he if it doesn't mean anything if the if it doesn't mean anything it's just because women will interpret it wrong but then it it's not just women who interpret it that way interpret that way then that's
01:45:57
Jordannot what yeah I'm just giving approximate explanation ative adding more to it yeah cheating is wrong regardless men or women he's just saying that like typically women will cheat more emotionally then men will like men
01:46:10
Laurenwill just because they want a piece of ass yeah that's it that's it you say so sh I didn't say they should but it's wrong regardless I'm saying why shouldn't they base on your PR because
01:46:22
Natalieit's wrong just because women will interpret it the wrong way is basically all you like the physical and the emotional aspects of treating are both terrible that's why you shouldn't cheat but as
01:46:33
Q / Nataliewomen we but men cheat for different reasons yeah so I'm saying if men knew like a lot of men if they knew that it wouldn't hurt their woman they probably would cheat so that's why so to speak
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Q / Natalieinto your point the fact that men want to take into consideration the way a woman might feel if he does it cuz you just said if he cheats that mean he's being selfish so a lot of guys who don't cheat they take into consideration how
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Jordanthat would break up their family or how they would make their woman feel like for example if a man was with a woman and he loves her like he loves her he'd put her over anything he he'd kill for
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Jordanher right but the woman tells the man you know what if you want to have a fling here and there that's okay he would probably take her up on it and he would probably do it even if he loves
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Jordanher a woman on the other hand physically is impossible or impossible for her to cheat like a man would and just you know and still love her her husband or her boyfriend it it's it's different it's
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Jordanlike a we have a separation of ideologies and men will cheat for completely different reason it's purely physical because
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Jordanmen men will always want to have more options even if they love who they're with they're always going to want more options that's just how men are it's in
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Rahimatheir DNA when we have sex different hormones are released too so when women have sex our oxytocin happens that love whereas men I think it's like it's B
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Q / Natalieit's so it's like it's just ter yeah it just makes US Territorial versus like actually getting like head over heels and love because we we do uh release oxytocin during sex too in small
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Q / Nataliequantities but that's what uh post postcar narcolepsy is so a lot of times when you have sex and you go to sleep like goes to sleep after you guys have sex oxytocin in US makes us go to
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Q / Nataliesleep what about hungry what's that cuz I get that you burned calories yeah you burn calories you got you got you burn calories you got to keep the metabolism
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Q / Natalieyeah you got you burn calories it yeah cardio but do but does it make more sense you see the distinction in what I'm saying I wasn't I was saying that uh the guys who don't cheat is because they
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Q / Natalieconsider their woman's feelings and what it would ultimately do if they to do that too it's not it's Temptation men and women face Temptation you know yeah he's not going against that though
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Ashleyhe's just saying that the the men that don't do it is because they are considering whereas the men that do cheat are not considering sure okay like
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Jordanwhen a woman's in love her man is the only man she sees yeah when a man's in love he loves her agreed with that she's not the only one he's like you know like
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Laurenyou have to understand that as a woman your man's going to look but what is he going to do it's not true everyone will be tempted but not everyone will just do it mhm everybody get even wom we get temp specifically here what we're
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Rahimatalking about cheaters specifically like or are you just saying all yeah people I thought we were talking about men and women talking about yeah let's get through relationship status oh we still
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Laurenhaven't gone through that I'm married I've been married for four years that's my longest relationship we already know her status it's your oh is it mine yeah oh damn we still doing
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Q / Natalierelationships that yeah we stopped at her and then that was like two hours hour okay um I'm single currently I'm
01:50:10
Nataliechilling wait question for you you said married for four years yeah uh so how long were you guys together before you got married we were together for eight
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Laurenmonths oh okay and then it's four years total yeah it'll we'll be married four years in a couple months okay do you have any other questions or
01:50:32
Natalieshould I ask a question you can ask one um what is one thing that each of you have done wrong in one of your relationships past relationships that you can be aware
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Q / Natalieof genuine question to go down got more questions right yeah yeah oh oh you you got my you got my list I I don't have it
01:50:56
Brian Atlasbut you you have them memorized or um sorry I got I got I got my list I no you asked the question they're not even answering so I thought we were going starting right here but I'll go
01:51:08
Adeline Starafter this question yeah I'll keep I'll keep going after this question okay so something that I've done wrong more generally one thing that you can improve oh I think one of the biggest things is it just comes with
01:51:19
Adeline Starself-awareness and like working on yourself is like I'm in a new relationship and so kind of carrying those same behaviors and reactions to
01:51:29
Adeline Starhow I respond to my current partner needs to be different because of you know every everyone is different so I think one of the biggest things is working on not carrying over those same
01:51:40
Adeline Starhabits those same reactions and those same like kind of Dynamics into a new relationship so that's something that's going to with time cuz my old relationship was so long and this one is
01:51:50
Adeline Starso new is like oh I responded this way or I viewed it in this way when you are a different person and I need to see you for you and not who I perceived or
01:52:01
Adeline Starautomatically assumed or what I have been used to due to my recent partner so I think that's one of the biggest things is like you know it's going to be a constant like Improvement and you have to catch yourself and I think a lot of people do that and that's something that
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Rahimathey don't acknowledge that's good that's a good um I try to change him so I will never try to change anyone in a relationship or a friendship ever again w how have you tried to change some yeah what did you do um no we just were we
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Rahimagot together when we were young and then we grew up and we went in different paths and I tried to make him go to the path that I thought would be best for him and that was horrible and against his nature and it wasn't making him happy so as in like a career path or
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Rahimacareer path just kind of what I wanted in my expectations and it was just a whole circus of him trying to make me happy and then him just not living up to my expectations and then it just wasn't fair to him so I think you got to just