Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE With Female Dating Coach?! E-GIRLS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #175
Date: 2024-07-03
Duration: 7h 10m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS / donation reader(audience)
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Adeline(guest)
SPEAKER_03Cross-talk / clip(audience)
SPEAKER_04Cross-talk / crew(audience)
SPEAKER_05Panel guests (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_06Jelle (brief)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Nick (crew)(audience)
SPEAKER_08Elsa(guest)
SPEAKER_09Background(audience)
SPEAKER_10TTS / donation reader(audience)
SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Background / crew(audience)
SPEAKER_13Background(audience)
SPEAKER_14Sammy Joe(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:53
IntroAdeline introduces herself: 26yo, OnlyFans model/streamer/media personality, from LA.
“hi I'm Adeline I am an only fans model model streamer media personality I'm 26 and I live in LA”
00:04:08
IntroSammy Joe introduces herself: 28yo, IFBB bikini pro, online health & fitness coach, streamer, San Diego; has competition in ~2.5 weeks.
“hi my name is Samy Joe I am from San Diego I am 28 and I am an ifbb bikini Pro online health and fitness coach streamer and content creator”
00:06:13
IntroAyana introduces herself: 22yo, Santa Barbara, singer.
“I'm Ayana um I'm 22 and from Santa Barbara and I'm a singer”
00:07:27
IntroElsa introduces herself: 32yo, Austin TX, dating coach for men (7.5 years, 600-700 clients). Has bachelor's in marketing and psychology.
“hi I'm Elsa I'm 32 I'm from Austin Texas and I am a dating coach for men”
00:08:21
IntroMorgan introduces herself: 18yo, Bay Area, SBCC first year, studying political science.
“I'm Morgan I'm 18 I'm from the Bay Area and I currently go to Santa Barbara City College”
00:09:12
IntroAndrea introduces herself: 23yo, LA, model/actress/fashion stylist/musician.
“I'm Andrea I am from Los Angeles California I'm 23 years old and um I'm a model I'm an actress I'm a Fashion Stylist”
00:09:51
IntroJelle begins introduction: 23yo, studying for bachelor's in business management — intro cut off by TTS donation.
“hello everyone my name is jelle I'm 23 I am studying to get my bachelor's in degree wait sorry in business and um manage”
00:11:19
IntroMaddie introduces herself: 19yo, San Diego, lives in Santa Barbara, works for Whatever podcast, SBCC student.
“my name is Madison I'm 19 I'm from San Diego and I live in Santa Barbara I work for the whatever podcast”
00:11:39
IntroAndrew Wilson introduced remotely: host of The Crucible, fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube (his claim), political analyst.
“yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube to my knowledge I'm a political saturnist a political analyst and I like to occasionally engage in a bit of debate”
04:00:32
OtherPanel reacts to street interview clip of a 26yo woman saying she would use a guilt-free pass for professional athletes (Lindy Waters III, Barry Sanders Jr.) in front of her 22yo boyfriend. Brian and panel: instant breakup.
“26 22 how long you've been together 2 years if she gave you a guilt-free pass to sleep with anybody would you take it... I would take it that's crazy”
04:30:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson confronts Andrea over her claim of being a 10: if she is a 10 and everyone is beautiful, can she point to the prettiest girl in the room? Extended back-and-forth on objective vs subjective beauty. Andrea refuses to single out anyone; Andrew argues this is "coping."
“wouldn't a person who was ugly know ugly when they saw it... the thing is is you're not actually engaging with the spirit of the question”
04:43:20
Key MomentAdeline concedes Andrew's wife Rachel is prettier than her when pressed. Adeline says Rachel is "beautiful" and "prettier than me." Andrew uses this to expose inconsistency in others' "everyone is a 10" positions.
“I think she's prettier she's got so much... yes she is beautiful okay great is she prettier than the girl next to you”
06:05:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Elsa's claim that Charisma can be taught. He argues the baseline must exist innately. Elsa defends her coaching methodology by analogy to teaching sales. Both sides partially agree on the role of potential vs actualization.
“wouldn't they need to have some baseline inside of their personality core some kind of Baseline Charisma where they even had the potential”
06:54:50
OtherBrian asks Adeline and Sammy to consider stopping sex work at show close; both decline. Adeline: "you start paying my bills." Sammy frames it as a personal kink/exhibitionism. Andrew asks Sammy if she would do it unpaid; she confirms the kink preceded OF.
“would you both consider stopping sex work entirely... delete your only fans you start paying my bills I'm good”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Show intro and guest introductions
Brian opens the show with standard announcements (Streamlabs, Twitch, Discord, Patreon, merch). Guests introduce themselves: Adeline (26, LA, OnlyFans model/streamer), Sammy Joe (28, San Diego, IFBB bikini pro/fitness coach), Ayana (22, Santa Barbara, singer), Elsa (32, Austin TX, men's dating coach), Morgan (18, East Bay/SBCC, political science), Andrea (23, LA, model/actress), Jelle (23, auto shop manager/student), Maddie (19, SBCC/Whatever staff). Andrew Wilson introduced by satellite as host of The Crucible at [11:39].
00:13:00
Relationship status round
Brian asks each guest their current relationship status, length of single time, and longest relationship. Adeline: in a relationship 6 months (BF Zach, both retired from mainstream adult content). Sammy Joe: married 2 years, together 6. Ayana: relay-situationship ~1 year, no title, bisexual. Elsa: engaged since Christmas Eve (4 years together). Morgan: single 2 months, 3-year HS relationship ended (she broke it off — ex stopped planning dates). Andrea: single 3-4 months, broke up by ex (emotionally unavailable businessman, still works with him). Jelle: in a relationship/situationship. Maddie: single. Sidebar: Morgan/ex "we need to talk" text discussion and laundry-on-first-date anecdote.
00:36:00
Age gap debate
Extended discussion on age gaps in relationships: is a 44yo man dating a 20yo woman creepy? Brian presents the question; Elsa finds it "a little creepy" (prefrontal cortex argument). Andrew Wilson argues the motive is purely looks-based. Macron/wife dynamic discussed (she was 40, he was 15 as a student). Ayana argues everyone counts from 18 as "year zero" of adult experience. Andrew debates Elsa on whether it's wrong to set age filters. Sammy Jo: fine if it's mutual preference. Panel divided on whether it's "wrong" vs "weird." Andrew argues it's a looks filter.
01:00:00
Men stopping effort after commitment / relationship dynamics
Brian and Andrew discuss whether men reasonably reduce effort after securing a partner. Comparison made to women letting themselves go in long-term relationships. Elsa argues equivalent failure is women becoming less effort on appearance. Sammy and Ayana discuss how men put in effort early then coast once they "have you." Morgan's ex situation as a case study: he stopped planning dates. Audience TTS chimes in. Andrew questions whether serving partners is a feminist concept.
02:00:00
Attractiveness, confidence, and approach
Discussion on whether women prefer confident or nervous men approaching them. Panel consensus: confident approach preferred. Andrew argues confidence compounds attractiveness. Brian expands: overconfidence reads differently depending on the man's attractiveness. Elsa and Sammy discuss red hair / emotional expression tangent from audience TTS. Whether confidence can be taught vs is innate debated.
02:40:00
Waiting until marriage / religion and sex
Andrea (possibly Jelle per mixing) — identified as Christian, pro-waiting-until-marriage. Brian and the panel explore her reasoning. Religious denomination not specified (non-denominational). Goes to church. Does not date outside her values. Contrast with Adeline's adult content career. Discussion: does waiting until marriage make sense from a secular standpoint? Brian presents the argument that women who sleep quickly with some men but make others wait is inconsistent. Elsa frames compatibility as the key factor. Andrew and Brian debate the implications for men who wait.
04:00:00
Reacting to street interview clip: guilty-free pass
Nick plays a clip (Desirable Truth or similar) of a 26yo woman saying she would use a "guilt-free pass" to sleep with professional athletes (Lindy Waters III, Barry Sanders Jr.) in front of her 22yo boyfriend. Panel reacts. Brian: instant breakup. Elsa: "typically worrisome." Sammy: she had those answers too ready. Andrew points out the boyfriend should have walked.
04:30:00
Looks ratings round
Audience TTS requests guests rate their looks on a 1-10 scale (no 7s allowed). Sammy: 6 (downgraded from prior 10 due to weight gain and hair dye change). Ayana: 7.5-7.9. Morgan: 8.5. Andrea: 10 (disputed). Elsa: 10 initially. Brian: 5-6. Andrew (remote): 4. Extended debate between Andrew and Andrea on whether Andrea can logically claim to be a 10 while insisting everyone is beautiful. Andrew argues Elsa's wife (Rachel) rates herself a 6 and that is more honest. Adeline says Andrew's wife is prettier than her. Discussion on objective vs subjective beauty standards.
04:56:40
Plastic surgery / aesthetic enhancements discussion
Brian states plastic surgery makes women less attractive in his view (real example: fake breasts detectable under clothing). Sammy and Elsa discuss surgeries beyond implants. Panel discusses whether plastic surgery can elevate a "5 to a 9" vs natural beauty. Brian: maximum potential is capped by natural baseline. Referenced example: celebrity/model photos shown on-screen. "Labiaplasty" mentioned as extreme case at [328:01].
05:50:00
Dating coach legitimacy debate — Elsa vs Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson questions Elsa's credentials and value proposition as a men's dating coach. Is it fraudulent for a woman to coach men on dating women? Elsa defends her methodology; 600-700 clients, teaching confidence/social skills/Charisma. Andrew: Charisma cannot be taught; it must be innate. Elsa: Charisma can be taught like sales technique — timing, tonality, listening, storytelling. Andrew: does Charisma potential require an underlying baseline personality trait? Both sides partially concede. Brian mediates. Chat heavily sides with Andrew.
06:53:20
Body count round and closing
Quick body count round at show close. Maddie's answer cut off/redirected. Panel answers (SPEAKER_05 mixed): Sammy/Ayana range mentioned ("single digit," similar to last appearance). Morgan: single digit (plead fifth on roster details). Jelle/Andrea: four. Adeline: misheard by Brian as "800" (she said "gosh"). Brian asks Adeline and Sammy to consider stopping sex work; both decline. Andrew asks Sammy if she would do OnlyFans for free (kink-driven); she eventually says she recorded herself before OF existed, so yes it pre-dates the platform. Show ends with raid announcement and final call to like/subscribe.
Transcript
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01:53:17
Andrew Wilsonnormally excuse for women um you would not excuse for him you would you would expect him to express this from a stoic angle right and just say to you later look you wouldn't you'd want to break
01:53:29
Sammy Joedown if he was upset about something and he was so upset about it that it made him emotional then so be it if I have the ability to be emal and cry about it do you think I'm lying to you wait what
01:53:42
Andrew Wilsonbenefit I don't think any women I think that's terrible advice for men yeah I think that saying to men that you would prefer that they acted um uh you know in in a way where they started to break
01:53:52
Andrew Wilsondown emotionally right even especially publicly or they started to cry or they started to kind of um you know in some way break that stoic frame I think that you would not appreciate it no any more
01:54:04
Sammy Joethan you would the anger por that's your narrative you asked me a question and I gave you my answer but because my answer didn't fit your narrative you didn't like it well your answer does well actually your answer is inconsistent
01:54:16
Andrew Wilsonbecause in the anger portion you say I would prefer when he's angry not to express that right why said that was the difference between emotional maturity and emotional stability why would that not be emotional maturity when it came
01:54:28
Sammy Joeto sadness as well it could be either way anger is more you as me which one I preferred obviously I don't want someone to scream at me yeah my point is but if you scream at me then would I be upset
01:54:39
Sammy Joeabout it we would talk about it the expression from a stoic frame of emotion seems to be your preference if he he can be stoic if he wants to be you ask me if I prefer to be yelled at or if I can prefer to be
01:54:52
Sammy Joeconfronted obviously I'm going to prefer to not be yelled at anybody would prefer that but in terms of emotion sadness let me finish what I'm saying in the term of
01:55:03
Sammy Joesadness if he wants to cry about it he can cry about it and we can talk about it if he wants to be stoic again that that's the person right however they want to express their emotional maturity and emotional stability that's fine you
01:55:16
Andrew Wilsonask me if I prefer to be yelled at or if I prefer to be he's not yelling at you he's just yelling you're still yelling or maybe he's just maybe he's just not even yelling but he's just really angry
01:55:26
Andrew Wilsonwhen he says a thing he just says listen this really pissed me off and made me mad that's not him yelling he's just expressing this emotion but it's not a comfortable emotion to express right
01:55:38
Andrew Wilsonyour comparison was that made me [ __ ] angry or that made me angry obviously I'm going to prefer not even then let's well let's go back to we'll just dial it back right we'll dial the yelling back he's not yelling but he's just he has an
01:55:51
Andrew Wilsonanger in his voice when he's talking to you cuz you made him angry wouldn't you prefer that that was gone as well no and that he just stoically delivered to you that you made him angry and not to now preference you're you're switching it up
01:56:04
Andrew Wilsonyour initial comparison I'm trying to follow your line of logic that's right right CU it doesn't fit your narrative that's what does that mean fit my narrative do you know what logic is yeah okay if you know what logic is then tell
01:56:16
Andrew Wilsonme the three laws of it the original thing that Brian asked vulnerability stop stop if you know what logic is then tell me what the definition of logic I'm sorry I don't know the the yeah you
01:56:28
Andrew Wilsondon't so here's the thing right back off on the narrative building what I'm trying to do is try I'm trying to walk through whether or not you actually would prefer a stoic frame on a man
01:56:39
Sammy Joeultimately if we follow your worldview through you're switching after I already answered your question you're switching up your question yeah that's how I test
01:56:51
Sammy Joecontinued to test that's logic that's right okay and I said that I had already answered based on my understanding of your question do I want to new one so I can continue to
01:57:02
Sammy Joetest the logic okay so you already got my answer though but why are we still talking about the same exact thing this is the one thing I think you're a great speaker but this is one thing that I don't appreciate about you you dig at
01:57:15
Andrew Wilsonthe same thing to get a different answer so that it fits your Nar so what are the three you you realize that when you're testing somebody's logical consistency it may require multiple questions right yeah
01:57:27
Andrew Wilsonbut when it doesn't follow suit with what you believe in yeah then so so think of it like a tree that's a logical tree that's what it's called so you go down Branch one and you go oh okay now
01:57:38
Andrew Wilsonwe understand where that position leads we go down Branch two now we know where that position leads Branch three now we know where that position leads but we're all moving the logic towards whatever the conclusion of the position is it's
01:57:50
Sammy Joenot narrative building it's just me try to actually figure out your positions it's not even being mean I'm just literally trying to figure out your positions right and I said that I would just prefer someone be emotionally stable and emotionally mature and be
01:58:03
Sammy Joeable to talk about what they're feeling if they want to cry about it that's great if they want to scream about it that's what we're testing by going down these different yeah that's what we're testing by going down these different branches and questions you see what I'm
01:58:14
Andrew Wilsonsaying yes yeah so there's a there's a difference between you expressing that is what you want but then based on answers to questions it may not actually be that's why that's why that's
01:58:25
Brian Atlasoccurring so I mean I'm fine Moving on but I'm just letting you know M so I wanted to have a bit of back and forth on this going back I guess to the vulnerability thing I think from a
01:58:35
Brian Atlasdating lens from a dating frame so this idea that you guys are cool or okay with men who might be vulnerable or show
01:58:45
Brian Atlastheir emotions or even well I don't know if weak is the right word here but I want to ask youall question would you prefer a guy to approach you in a
01:58:55
Brian Atlasconfident manner or for a guy to approach you super nervous little shaky eye contacts all over the place
01:59:05
Adelinetremble in his voice lip quivering which would you prefer go no God both yeah okay both okay both cuz it' be like oh wow like he's I'm making him
01:59:16
Adelineanxious I'm making him nervous and that's like you're showing that so to me I can see your effort so that is attractive but I do enjoy confidence what about you yeah I would
01:59:27
Sammy Joeagree nervousness wouldn't deflect me but I would prefer confidence
01:59:35
Panel guests (mixed)okay I'm just going to go ahead and go with confidence because I'm also confident and I wouldn't like to come off to you as a lip quivering [ __ ] so
01:59:47
Panel guests (mixed)okay yeah confidence I would say confident too confident uh confident but something
01:59:57
Brian Atlasabout a man being like his knees shaking in front of me just makes feel like yeah I'm that [ __ ] so well that's an okay hold on just to be clear there's a difference between an egoo
02:00:08
Brian Atlasboost and you feeling like you're the [ __ ] because this guy's a little [ __ ] in front of you and he's like sing over you versus this guy's really [ __ ]
02:00:20
Brian Atlasattractive okay okay that's overconfident is like stressful I'm not saying overconfident but is it I mean am I wrong to state that women are attracted to confident men no no I think
02:00:32
Brian Atlaslike most women say they like confident guys yeah I don't want to go out with somebody that's going to stand in the corner like everybody thinks I'm ugly like most men would probably most men giving their own experience would say
02:00:45
Brian Atlaswhen it comes to their success with women do they Su they have a higher success rate when they're confident or do they have a higher succcess rate when they're [ __ ] quivering and nervous
02:00:57
Brian Atlasand shaky their eye contacts all [ __ ] up bottom lips all shaking stumbling over their words stuttering Etc I would
02:01:06
Brian Atlassuspect most men anecdotally would say I have more success with women when I step confidently I'm uh steadfast I'm certain in myself but also doesn't that just
02:01:17
Panel guests (mixed)come with like a first experience like cuz if I've known you for a long time and you've always been this sort of confident person and then one day you come to me and you're a little bit nervous about this situation I'm not
02:01:28
Panel guests (mixed)going to [ __ ] push you to the side cuz this one time that you were nervous so I feel like that has more to do with like what's going on right now like if I just met you and you say oh I want to be
02:01:39
Panel guests (mixed)with you like you're going to be with me I'm the hottest out okay well maybe I will but a couple months down the line if you're like no I know what I need to do and you need to be on the same page as me I'm not as attracted to you as the
02:01:52
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02:02:04
TTS / donation readerthank you lar Andrew I think you missed on red hair's World viw wouldn't a better question been how much emotion is allowed it sounds like she wants an emotional man but prefers little
02:02:15
Andrew Wilsonemotional it's hard to say she shut the inquiry down so I was happy to continue with the inquiry but if you shut the inquiry I don't know where to go with that if you're just like well I already answered one of the questions so therefore I'm dumb with the inquiry I
02:02:27
Sammy Joedon't I don't know where to go with that he definitely has the right so I when I think of a relationship Dynamic I
02:02:37
Sammy Joeam the submissive and he is the dominant right so he is the protector he is my security he's my safety blanket things like that I am the nurturer I am the
02:02:48
Sammy JoeHomemaker so if he majority of the time has to be this dominant Alpha role right I'm okay with certain situations him
02:03:00
Sammy Joebeing emotionally available and vulnerable I'm not going to think less of him as a person or less of him in this dominance role because he shows
02:03:10
Sammy Joeemotional availability at times right obviously if someone's breaking into our house that's where his dominance needs to step in and the security needs to be you know presented but then if there a
02:03:22
Sammy Joesituation after the fact where he's like hey you know I was nervous and I was scared for you know I was scared yeah okay talk to me about it but in that
02:03:30
Andrew Wilsonmoment you stepped up and you played your role so there's a time and a place yeah that I mean that makes sense to me but wouldn't you agree that the more often that a man kind of steps out of
02:03:42
Andrew Wilsonthat role to be emotionally vulnerable uh the less likely he will be over time if those other situations do arise to keep his stoic frame to protect you to do those things right and that's why I'm saying it's very situational like for
02:03:56
Sammy Joeagain I said I'm the submissive one you're the dominant one so you should be dominant majority of the time and I am going to be the submissive one majority of the time so I don't want you walking around crying all the time because
02:04:07
Elsathat's just not the type of person I'm attracted to yeah you would prefer that stoic frame exactly yeah Sammy it sounded like you were saying that you want a man who can express his emotions but that knows when and how much to
02:04:20
Elsaexpress those like so someone said said if he's expressing love would you want him to like hug you and make eye contact and show with his body language that he loves you or would you prefer that he's just like super stoic no facial
02:04:30
Elsaexpression robotic the physical contact Okay cool so that's what you were saying yeah yeah emotional maturity
02:04:39
Panel guests (mixed)exactly okay uh Manny can you read this one ladies wise feminism called feminism when feminists want equality when it
02:04:47
Panel guests (mixed)comes to masculinity shouldn't feminism be called female mascul ISM
02:04:56
Panel guests (mixed)mhm I honestly don't know cuz I'm not a feminist why not well I just feel like there's such like I feel like if you call yourself a feminist the feminists
02:05:08
Panel guests (mixed)really like dig at you and be like the feminists that I've known are like really complete man haters and like kill them all and all this stuff and personally I'm not that type of person
02:05:19
Panel guests (mixed)who' be like oh all I'm against all men you know um and I feel like there's just so much so many meanings behind feminists even a feminist can't even
02:05:30
Panel guests (mixed)defined what a feminist is so I personally if I don't know the knowledge behind it I'm not going to call myself a feminist right but okay so if you're saying that a feminist is only hating
02:05:40
Panel guests (mixed)all men wouldn't that just make them a lesbian no no no I'm really I'm really confused because why is it why is it [ __ ] all men I'm really confused from how that's what feminist F that's from
02:05:52
Panel guests (mixed)coming from my personal experience where the feminists that I've met who said hey I'm a feminist when they talk about men they are like complete like manh haters
02:06:02
Panel guests (mixed)and I'm not a manher you know so I I've never met a feminist who can really Define the meaning behind what a feminist is they always talk about equality but then they talk [ __ ] about
02:06:15
Brian Atlasmen so it's like okay how does that work it's not double we go around the table and see who here cons considers themselves a feminist no
02:06:25
Panel guests (mixed)no can you give me the de the definition of a feminist and then I'll answer my question there's so many different definitions okay give me
02:06:36
Brian Atlasone well do you want do you want my charitable definition or do you want my what I actually think feminism is uh your the first one okay my charitable definition of what feminis well okay
02:06:48
Brian Atlasthere's what feminism purports to be there's my charitable definition and then there's also what I think it actually is you could tell me both so what feminists think why okay what feminists think they are is an equality
02:07:01
Brian Atlasmovement that's not what they actually are they the most charitable definition I give it is a woman's advocacy movement which is not the same as uh
02:07:12
Brian Atlasequality the actual definition that I give it is it's actually a sort of uh well it is woman's advocacy but it's also uh bundled up with a bunch of
02:07:23
Brian Atlasconspiracy theory and like pseudo science [ __ ] soft science social science nonsense as well as a uh a good dose of
02:07:34
Panel guests (mixed)man-hating so that's my sense of what feminism is okay but if you want to use the charitable one it's woman's advocacy I think uh there's nothing wrong with supporting a woman and saying
02:07:48
Panel guests (mixed)that she could do whatever she wants because in reality they could do yes they can I mean you can go buy a dick from the store and [ __ ] another girl with it so you can't say that a woman can do whatever she wants you can
02:08:00
Panel guests (mixed)literally go to a science lab and create a baby with two women that's where we are today so no wait you can't I've watched it so should people you haven't watched it they need the genetic
02:08:12
Brian Atlasmaterial from the man so should people do whatever they want like ought to also wait really quick you you mentioned something about the draft ear what was that what was that com I don't
02:08:24
Brian Atlasremember so I think they said something about um what was it I don't remember I don't remember okay I wish I could so going around do
02:08:35
Brian Atlasyou consider yourself a feminist no I support all okay no simple answer no no no okay all
02:08:46
Brian Atlasright yeah no okay uh so that was for who was that who sent that in it was Gracie or is J oh we had kill of cereal we need to get to he was curious
02:08:58
Brian Atlasuh sorry that we had to pause it there uh kill if cial there for a little bit I just wanted for us to be able to get through what we were talking about he wanted to know how your parents met if
02:09:07
Adelineyou can give us 10c answers go ahead um they both worked at a in the mall at the same retail store and yeah um my mom's
02:09:19
Panel guests (mixed)older sister and my dad's older brother were dating so that's how they met H um I don't know I'm pretty sure they just lived on the same street or something like
02:09:31
Panel guests (mixed)that they met through my dad's sister um they both work together uh my mom was working at a mall and my Dad is working security at the
02:09:42
Brian Atlassame Mall nice uh family friends at a birthday party High School sweethearts yeah all right cool cool uh we have a couple
02:09:53
Panel guests (mixed)of super chats we need to get we have can you read these Maddie older men will take care of immature women young women kept being ran through by
02:10:05
Panel guests (mixed)younger boys okay thank you Al design we also have this one older women still have a chance to get a high value man they only need to master their feminine energy
02:10:16
Brian Atlasthese young girls today have lost that hey Omni design appreciate your super chats man thank you thank you so much really uh appreciate it thank you thank you and if you want feel free to get a couple in
02:10:27
Brian Atlasso uh before I get into some of my pre-show notes from everybody I uh want to ask does anybody have any disagreements maybe you've seen
02:10:37
Brian AtlasClips or you've seen clips of me clips of Andrew uh any disagreements maybe some of you been on the show before previous disagreements you want to rekindle no right now anything anything
02:10:50
Brian Atlasshow hands anybody always always good huh she's giving that look it's always good to get into uh you know
02:11:00
Brian Atlasdisagreements anybody going once going twice have my phone to read them what you had notes on this yeah uh okay all
02:11:08
Brian Atlasright just close my notes accidentally one sec while I get that pulled back up so let's see where do we start uh Kiki she was a no show actually we had like
02:11:21
Brian Atlasthree or four no shows today uh last minute flakes but um Sammy you said the expectation women nowadays have for men they're extremely unrealistic do you want to expand on
02:11:31
Sammy Joethat yeah I just feel like and I this gets talked about a lot but like the expectation of that women have of men I feel like is
02:11:42
Sammy Joejust way higher than they're not willing to give back what they're expecting essentially is what I hear a lot when I listen to like I will say that I've been very blessed
02:11:53
Sammy Joewith my panels the last two times I've been on here I've had great panels and like great ladies and you ladies are great too um but I feel like it's a lot of the feminists that come on and they're like man haters basically and
02:12:05
Sammy Joethey're like men should do all of this but then it's like what are you willing to give to them in return um so that's kind of just the that's fair out look on that yeah I'd
02:12:17
Sammy Joeagree like they expect for their dates to be paid for and they expect all of these things to be given but then have no true subsidence to give back I have a question like okay so I'm
02:12:30
Panel guests (mixed)probably going to get hated on if she sees this but I have a family member who was dating a man for like 5 years and
02:12:39
Panel guests (mixed)then [ __ ] hit the fan and she became this like feminist lesbian manher like what do you guys think on that sort of situation she was dating him and then
02:12:51
Panel guests (mixed)what and she became a lesbian well she she says that she was always a lesbian until she finally realized after she was out of this 5year relationship with this man but when she talked about it she was
02:13:03
Panel guests (mixed)talking about like marrying this man and then like him not exceeding the expectation that she wanted so then she had this epiphany of being like Oh I'm actually a lesbian and then starting
02:13:14
Panel guests (mixed)like man hating on all men something about that that just to me is like I'm so curious to think of what you guys think something about that sound dating a
02:13:25
Adelinebitchu this [ __ ] does that makes sense or no what did you say it sound like she was just a really disgruntled person and often times people like that just look
02:13:35
Adelineto blame their hate for themselves on others and so she probably wasn't fulfill feeling fulfilled herself so she chose to put that blame on him and some
02:13:45
Adelinepeople just feel the need to victimize themselves and find a scapegoat and um I believe that might be what happened and
02:13:57
Adelineyou sit there and if you sit in those emotions that anger will continue to build up and that resentment so she probably sat there in Anger for so long
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Adelineand staying with him only like essentially magnified that and her hate for men because she just sat there in distaste I feel like also just cuz she
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Panel guests (mixed)broke up with her cuz she was the one that initiated breakup and then 3 months after I was broken up with who and I felt like we kind of like well I didn't but she did like want to like Bond over
02:14:31
Panel guests (mixed)that breakup and I just felt like it was something that I personally wanted to go through but I felt like she was dumping that onto my situation because I also like took time to look back at the
02:14:42
Panel guests (mixed)relationship that I had and realized certain things that I did wrong and wanted to correct that in my next relationship but I just just was so like
02:14:53
Panel guests (mixed)confused and was curious as to how someone can switch that motive and being like Oh no I'm actually a full-on lesbian and I in fact hate all men and
02:15:03
Panel guests (mixed)like wait she she verb them yeah she say she's a full on lesbian the worst gender reveal is finding out that your man's a [ __ ] what wait wait did she claim she
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Panel guests (mixed)was lesbian all along yeah or did you know that she was lesbian when she was in she says that she she always felt
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Panel guests (mixed)that she only had crushes on men because everyone else had a crush on that man but I I feel like I can debate on that I'm like girl the man that you were
02:15:33
Panel guests (mixed)dating on or crushing on were not it like I swear to God there was no one crushing on them except you girl um what
02:15:42
Panel guests (mixed)were her specific grievances with the guy she was dating um mostly just like how he stopped St what Morgan was saying
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Panel guests (mixed)like he wasn't like saying hey like let's go out initiating dates and just like stop trying and that emotionally unavailable just like same thing how
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Panel guests (mixed)every other girl says like oh like we stopped because he wasn't emotionally available he wasn't trying anymore he just gave up let himself go but I'm like is that enough to really full on what I
02:16:14
Brian Atlasdon't what I don't understand about this whole the guy stops trying thing or whatever is are you guys
02:16:25
Sammy Joetrying like are you y'all the ones who are like putting in the effort to set up the date that's see what you're saying did they stop trying because you stopped
02:16:35
Brian Atlastrying now they're it's like these girls who say he never texted me did you text him did you send a message okay for my oh go ahead go ahead girls will even say a guy will double
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Panel guests (mixed)text you and then he'll stop texting you and then she'll be like why did you stop texting me cuz you shot down my um what cuz you shot down my like the guy as a guy like you made me feel like I wasn't
02:16:58
Brian Atlaslike no but I'm saying the girl will be like oh he the the the complaint here would be let's say uh a girl and the guy
02:17:06
Brian Atlashook up and then he doesn't text her again but did you like and but she never texted him either well it's like you're both kind of not isn't that not doing
02:17:19
Elsaanything isn't that more or on the spectrum of the equality conversation what do you mean like cuz I hear what you're saying and I agree like I she if she stops putting an effort why should he continue to put an effort and also
02:17:32
Elsamen can't read our minds so if you're not like very specifically saying I would like you to text me every morning and tell me that I'm beautiful and I would like you to plan dates once a week then he's not I mean men are very like
02:17:44
Elsadirect so they they need that rather than just I want more romance but well okay would it be considered like is that the equality conf cuz wouldn't someone earlier was talking about masculinity in
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Elsathe comment section and so I'm curious like wouldn't some men perceive that as masculine if she then starts to reciprocate in that way it's not masculine
02:18:06
Panel guests (mixed)to initiate I think girls just don't text because they don't want to seem like they're desperate mhm yeah but the guy could just say the same exact thing no but that's expected from a guy it's
02:18:18
Panel guests (mixed)different but let's say it's always the man supposed to start it like right that's what they say they're like oh well if okay so I think when it comes to like this whole thing where men will put
02:18:30
Brian Atlasin effort in the be effort in the beginning and then just stop well until they met you maybe they had to put in that initial effort with like 10 20 30 40 different girls so they're already
02:18:41
Brian Atlasburned out and then okay they finally you know got you whatever cool and then they just start coasting and it's like well they already put in all the effort I'll never put in any effort in the beginning yeah I I think it's fair you're saying that you want your effort
02:18:55
Panel guests (mixed)to be matched what if they did start off strong and then they slowly start like losing that momentum and you as a woman even despite being like Oh I don't want to be desperate but I know what I want
02:19:07
Panel guests (mixed)and what are my needs and I'm going to show that and tell you clearly this is what I expect from you and if they choose not to meet those expectations then that's when I feel like the fall through of like okay
02:19:21
Brian Atlasthey're not trying so I'm not going to try what's your version of a woman coasting the oh the beginning of a Rel the version of a woman coasting you just
02:19:30
Elsamean the default for women no I'm curious you mean just the status quo of how women move well the equivalent of of like her saying that he stop that's what
02:19:41
Panel guests (mixed)women do is Coast what do you talk what do you mean I feel like you just show up I feel like for a woman it's at the beginning at the beginning a man does more to get the woman's attention and then as the woman is more attracted to
02:19:53
Panel guests (mixed)this person she does more so she's expecting more from a man because it's growing for her she's doing more for this person cuz she genuinely feels something but it's like the opposite for a man they're going to do all they can
02:20:04
Brian Atlasat the beginning and then slowly they're going to just how was that balanced What the fu where's these flies coming from our effort is front loed we do all the work in the beginning and then yeah and
02:20:15
Elsathen the girl has to do the rest of the work for the rest of didn't do I I think what you're saying is um if she like she just shows up I would but if I were a man I'd find that very
02:20:28
Elsaunattractive if all she does is just show up if that's her only job to like be there it attractive that's how it is not in all relationships that's how it is that's why I said what I said because
02:20:40
Sammy Joeso think of it as a job interview right when you go to a job interview as the person who's applying for the job you're selling yourself to the company but a lot of people don't realize the company's also selling themselves to you so a job interview is you know Mutual
02:20:52
Sammy Joeright you do you want to work for this company and does this company want you to work for them and I feel like that's how obviously maybe not as for formal as that but in a relationship when you're
02:21:04
Sammy Joefirst starting the relationship it's like I want to date you and I'm going to show you that I want to date you and you should reciprocate the same way we should both show each other that we're
02:21:15
Sammy Joeinterested and keep that interest and then now as we become a couple and more exclusive and now we're physically dating that try should continue from
02:21:26
Sammy Joeboth sides but that's where society's I just think [ __ ] up right now because women just think that men are supposed to sell themselves to them and they're just supposed to the men are supposed to do everything they're supposed to try they're supposed
02:21:39
Sammy Joeto put in all the effort and the woman just expects to sit there and just be pampered and be hot yeah like that's that's the contribution with nothing to give and I think that's what the problem
02:21:48
Sammy Joeis I'm agreeing with you you look confused so no I yeah cool thank
02:21:56
Brian Atlasyou you guys look I mean do you like what do y'all really do to at the start at the start of a
02:22:08
Brian Atlasrelationship what do you really do to actually make it happen well I don't I think a high oh can you read it women say they want a
02:22:19
Panel guests (mixed)simp emotional man until that man gets his ass kicked in front of them or unable to protect or stand up for them then the emotional attraction and respect is gone hey out ofine hey yo yo
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Brian Atlasthank you Pagan man appreciate it thank you thank you uh it's one of my peeps yeah it's just not clear to me that when it comes to like matching effort that at
02:22:41
Brian Atlasleast in terms of contributing to the start of a relationship that women are putting in that effort at the beginning it's very so like you guys might complain well down the road in the
02:22:53
Brian Atlasrelationship it feels unequal but it feels unequal to us like for almost every single girl that we encounter and it obviously not every you know you approach a girl maybe you go on the
02:23:05
Brian Atlasfirst date that's that's the end of it we pretty much put in every single effort that can be taken to actually make that happen but when do when do you find B wait what do you have go ahead what
02:23:17
Brian Atlaswould you expect them to be doing texting you asking you to go out on a date or uh well I mean so in terms of expectation my my expectations tend to
02:23:28
Brian Atlasbe typically pretty low although I've certainly had the experence I've had the experience of like women who initiate with me uh and actually prefer that because I prefer dating women with um
02:23:39
Brian Atlashigh levels of Interest over like shooting my shot with like 10 20 30 different women and then it's kind of like a lot of these chicks are fence sitters and they've got their eye on three different dudes so I actually
02:23:50
Brian Atlasprefer when I think it's a much better Dynamic which is the dynamic that women typically have a monopoly on and tend to enjoy the dynamic of you getting to choose guys coming to you you have much
02:24:01
Brian Atlasmore leverage uh when it's when it's that kind of dynamic The Leverage tends to equalize the longer you know the once you've been dating for three months it's kind of equal equalizes a little bit
02:24:12
Brian Atlasalthough it is so in terms of early on most guys can't get that though most guys never get approached never get a hit on uh never get a DM never get a DM from a chick match with a chick on a
02:24:24
Brian Atlasdating app they're going to have to send the first message set up the date plan the date move things forward physically etc etc um but so I don't think when it
02:24:34
Brian Atlascomes to expectation that there's like I never have the expectation it's nice if it does occur if the girl does actually make some effort and takes initiative
02:24:44
Brian Atlasand I do think it's a better Dynamic but uh I don't know where I'm going with this what was the
02:24:53
Brian Atlasquestion is what do you expect in the beginning what do I expect oh what do I expect I mean I expect to pretty much do you guys any of you play video games yes yeah so there's this video game term
02:25:06
Brian Atlascalled carrying this is when somebody who's Superior at a video game take somebody who has no like little or no experience in the video game and takes them to the W takes them to the win you
02:25:18
Brian Atlascarry them like on your back somebody you know it's like you're playing some shooter game or whatever they suck at the video game you [ __ ] rock or at least you know what you're doing and you
02:25:29
Brian Atlascan bring them to the W in this case that would be the relationship uh and so typically the it seems to me at least early on you're carrying you're carrying the chick to the
02:25:44
Brian Atlasrelationship bece Vera y'all can disagree you y'all can disagree but I mean look I'm sure there's some guys that you might you've chased you've maybe had this experience but um but
02:25:55
Brian Atlastypically what I what I have found is pretty much at like all these different points the guy's going to be the one who's going to have to put in the effort and also face the rejection so this is
02:26:08
Brian Atlashow it would work so like let's say it's a guy who's approaching you uh let's if we remove online dating from this like he's just maybe goes to your college whatever if you went to college and he's you're in his class he approaches you
02:26:21
Brian Atlasafter class he's got to do the approach that's terrifying for most people both men and women women overwhelmingly never do that but he's going to approach you then there's a potential for rejection but assuming it's not a rejection then he's going to have to carry the
02:26:34
Brian Atlasconversation because typically the burden of conversation is going to be on the person who approaches it'd be weird for you to just approach someone say hi
02:26:42
Brian Atlasand say nothing there like that would be like hey I mean it's kind of a if you can pull it off I guess but it is kind of this like it's almost like if somebody contacts you it's like what do
02:26:55
Brian Atlasyou want you know so the burden of conversation is going to be on them then they're going to have to you know be smooth whatever be Charming they're going to have to ask you out they're going to have to you know do that in a smooth way they're going to have to
02:27:07
Brian Atlassolicit the phone number the contact information if it's Instagram phone number whatever then they're going to have to follow up send that text then they're going to have to plan the date when you invariably cancel 30 minutes
02:27:18
Brian Atlasbefore that first date because you're uh goldfish needs to be fed or whatever he's going to have to take that gracefully even though it's extremely rude to cancel 30 minutes before the date so he's gonna have to maneuver that
02:27:29
Brian Atlasmaneuver with that and then uh he's going to have to set up the followup date and then he's going to have to you know okay here's here's where I I'm going to take you here here's the time handle the logistics of that then he's
02:27:41
Brian Atlasgoing to have to pay for the date carry the conversation probably on the on the date and then he's going to have to move things forward from there is he going to try to go for the kid is he going to try for more if that's a
02:27:53
Brian Atlasno but she's still interested okay second date third date fourth date wasan wash rinse repeat he's got to you know face multiple points of potential
02:28:03
Brian Atlasrejection all throughout this entire process uh let's see what else yeah he's got to go for the first kiss he's got to move things forward sexually I don't I it's ex extremely rare for women to go
02:28:14
Brian Atlasfor the first kiss or be like the initiators sexually also so there's just a whole bunch of points of potential rection rection and then just also uh yeah but when women do it sry I didn't
02:28:24
Adelinemean to cut you but when women do it they're deemed aggressive they're deemed too dominant too masculine uh or if they
02:28:33
Adelinedouble text you they're needy or they're you know whatever it is that they want to be L easy um and or if they're
02:28:44
Adelineaccessible then they become again easy so I feel like there are plenty of of women out there and I encourage women to double text say what you want go and get
02:28:56
Elsait and if a man can't handle that [ __ ] them well I actually think men love from my research men love when women approach they find it extremely attractive because it shows confidence but I think
02:29:08
Elsathe Nuance that you're giving is like if she were to also make a move on him sexually that could be seen as like too easy or too accessible but I think there's Nuance I think what he's saying is the man has to go through all these
02:29:20
Elsadifferent touch points that are all essentially him going out on a limb and there's nothing really in him there's no Roi for him really um and I yeah I just just I think the Nuance is missing because I think men do want to see more
02:29:34
Elsainitiative as well from women just because it's terrifying for a man to walk up to an attractive woman like it it public shame the risk of that is so high whereas if an attractive woman
02:29:45
Adelinewalks up to a man that likelihood that she's going to get rejected is so low yeah even if she's an average looking woman I agree like I I think that it sucks that you have to do so much effort
02:29:55
Adelinebut when women do exemplify those traits they are labeled that way so if men didn't shoot those kinds of women's down and kind of NE like essentially push back on that kind of behavior maybe more
02:30:08
Brian Atlaswomen would be inclined do that hold on that's not that's not actually true because uh I mean it's one thing if a girl walks up to a walks up to a guy and is just super Agro and is like here's
02:30:19
Brian Atlassome want simp [ __ ] that would be a turn off you there's a way you can approach like even step to a guy walk up to a guy and it not come across as aggressive or or like masculine or
02:30:31
Panel guests (mixed)whatever you can do so in a feminine way um you know it's just don't be a slag about it but what's up do you think like looks have something to do with that cuz
02:30:43
Panel guests (mixed)let's say what if like you are mid you know and you have all those traits that they're looking for but they because maybe you don't like meet their expectations
02:30:54
Panel guests (mixed)visually that they'll like maybe consider falling into the settling being like oh she has everything but I just don't like see her attractive do you think looks matter when it comes to
02:31:06
Panel guests (mixed)those traits that do you guys know what I mean is there a man like for a man D like for yeah a man for a woman woman came up to you and said oh hey I like
02:31:17
Brian Atlasyour beard and I want to take you on a date she was M would you it's the same thing dou this is a very this is a very easy question to answer if the man if the man does not find you physically
02:31:30
Brian Atlasattractive the same thing with the woman but men men have to risk the same thing what if she doesn't find me physically attractive it is what it is you know mhm so yeah okay but I do think most attractive men would still be nicer to
02:31:43
Brian Atlasan average looking woman than an attractive woman would be to an average looking man yeah well and so going back to your point kind of related to thing so women overwhelmingly will not make the first move won't approach won't
02:31:55
Brian Atlasslide into a DM won't send the first message won't you know whatever but in comparison to men in the event that they do they're actually much more likely to
02:32:05
Brian Atlassucceed like a dude could send thousands of DMS and never get a response but if you're a girl and you send like DMS out there's a your your much higher chance
02:32:16
Brian Atlasto get a response also you can slide into dudes who like big major status and you're much more likely to get a like an average
02:32:27
Brian Atlasgirl when I say how about nor a normal girl slides into a famous guy's DMS it's not a guarantee she gets a response but like it's a possibility Drake's [ __ ] with normal
02:32:40
Brian Atlaschicks uh I don't know if Drake is like the cool guy anymore I don't know but like if a normal like [ __ ] 20-year-old dude slides into like I
02:32:50
Adelinedon't know it was a do alpa's DMS you think she's like oh yeah okay yeah well I'll I'll meet up with you normal guy like no it's not happening I think I think for me it's more so the men's
02:33:02
Adelinebehavior of pulling out their phone and be like man this girl's been blowing me up since our first date if you stop doing that women would be more inclined
02:33:12
Adelineto actually initiate more things but we know that men sit there and they talk like that about women what that's not true if he's not attracted to her but I think
02:33:23
Sammy Joeif he's attracted to her he'd be pumped but they're still banging her so that was my question for you is is at what point for you would her initiating the
02:33:35
Sammy Joedates her texting you multiple times when would that become too much for you that you are now off-put by it and unattracted even if you're physically
02:33:46
Sammy Joeattracted to her but now so think of the term like stage Clinger right you're physically attracted to her but she's too available for you at what point does that become
02:33:57
Brian Atlasunattracted I mean there's I don't think at least for in my book like if she's psycho that's one thing but if she's just super simpy like really into me I like that like I I
02:34:10
Brian Atlasdon't really like to play games I like you you like me um cuz it's it's actually pretty rare for for men to get like that level of of
02:34:20
Brian Atlasuh attention attention you know uh so like the unless they're hot okay but I would argue like average
02:34:31
Brian Atlaschicks get like dudes [ __ ] falling over themselves for like an average chick whereas like average dudes ain't ever getting a DM ain't ever being asked out like ever ever so I'm
02:34:44
Brian Atlastrying to I'm trying to think what I wanted to bring it back to but so I would say though that you have totally just um as a woman your success rate for
02:34:55
Brian Atlaslike sliding into a DM or approaching a guy is much higher and then even if the guy most guys are going to be much more like they'll still take it as a compliment like most guys are not going to be like h [ __ ] get away like they're not going to do that like most guys are
02:35:08
Brian Atlasat least going to be graceful in the rejection whereas like uh I think women tend to be fairly graceful but like they'll also like you'll have an experience as a guy like girls can be [ __ ] brutal sometimes when it comes to
02:35:21
Brian Atlasrejection not all the not all women not all the time but like you're even though I guess it's it can still be scary for you like as a woman if you approach a guy your
02:35:33
Brian Atlassuccess rate is going to be [ __ ] insane and then uh the guy's going to be pretty nice I think even in rejection so yeah I just think men should encourage
02:35:46
Adelinemore of the women to go out there and when they do do it like don't react that way and I think that women what react in a like oh this is too much or call them
02:35:56
Adelineclingy because most women they don't do that because they are in fear of seeming clingy or needy or being too much bro most men but like can we just say the
02:36:08
Brian Atlassame thing about men except it's even worse for men it's even worse for men we don't want to be seen like like we don't want to be seen like we're we're creepy okay so let's just educate the public
02:36:20
Adelinesay what you want go after and get it send that double text and then if they don't if they don't respond after three texts just stop okay but you know you want to hear something crazy on the
02:36:29
Brian Atlaswhole creepy thing you can take a guy exact same behavior exact like verbatim say the exact same thing say it the same way the only differential is one guy
02:36:41
Brian Atlasyou're attracted to and the other you're not like that's it they could it could be the same exact treatment or he said the same thing acted the same way and the only difference is one guy's physically
02:36:53
Adelineattractive the other's not and I think the biggest thing is stop after three text don't have for any men or women stop having conversations with yourselves in people's DMS or text messages oh I think that's the biggest
02:37:06
Adelinething these guys who send like 10 messages never get a response yes yes so just don't do that but like it's okay let's just set the record straight it's
02:37:16
Elsaokay to double text okay but just but but what he was saying is just like matching effort which is so like people generally want people that match their effort they don't want people who go way
02:37:29
Elsaabove and beyond because then it starts to make you question that person's status like why are you why do you have me so high on a pedestal but they also don't want the opposite they don't want to feel like there's lack of effort when you're still putting forward initiative
02:37:41
Elsaso I think what he's saying like a good balance would be okay you took a girl out for two dates now it's the third dat is she going to propose something is she going to propose to hang out is she going to maybe text you after the date instead of waiting for you to text her
02:37:52
Elsaand like thank you for the experience like that's like just matching the effort that way he doesn't feel like he's just constantly putting himself out there and she's just cruising and what I'm saying is don't be afraid to be that
02:38:05
Panel guests (mixed)person and I think so many people are scared to be that person that's all MD can you read this notice how none of their answers for their parents were online we need to get back to Traditional Values my friends get out
02:38:17
Sammy Joethere and meet someone face to face not face time statistics equals it last yo kill of Serial thank you man appreciate it He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer he a but also I don't think the
02:38:28
Sammy Joeinternet really existed like that so like that wasn't an option you know are scared because wholeheartedly agree get out of get off the internet and you know
02:38:39
Sammy Joego face to face you learn more about the person there's more value in it but also with the times the internet just didn't exist it wasn't an option for them true true hold on guys getting into of some
02:38:51
Brian Atlasof my other notes here oh we had to do the bow thing somebody asked about will anybody here do a proper bow all right so um this is something that you we talked about what do I what do men
02:39:02
Brian Atlasexpect this is something that I expect from a girl go ahead and play the clip boom huge bow I need once I get
02:39:13
Brian Atlashome I need a bow look at this get home laundry she's getting my laundry off going look at this dinner dinner is ready
02:39:24
Brian Atlasattentive speed walking scampering what do you call that SK scampering I don't know beer she I'm you know H you know stirring my noodles Terri stirring my
02:39:39
Brian Atlasnoodles hands and one more time show us the bow boom boom deep bow that's what that's what it takes ladies I think women should that's what I want from a
02:39:49
Adelinegirl is about my Lord did you guys yeah sure my le Lord go ahead do you guys what do you think do you think it's I
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Adelinemean I I think it's and it should not be like um forced it should not be forced it should be but I'm saying like it
02:40:09
Adelineshould be she wants to and like she likes to so I mean like I play with my man and I'm like okay sir over Overlord
02:40:19
AdelineSuperior master and that's what I say to him and he likes it he'll be like say it one more time and that's what I say and so like that's I'm I'm okay with that
02:40:31
Adelineand that's I I volunteer that because I know that it's exciting for him and that's not like a lot of women won't be able to put their own Pride or ego aside
02:40:41
Sammy Joeto please their man so I'm I'm for that am I going to Bow I don't yeah I mean I it's subm like I already said submissive dominant role
02:40:52
Panel guests (mixed)what do you think about that sounds fun are we role playing she's like as you don't call me a [ __ ] sure I'm good with it if I'm a
02:41:01
Panel guests (mixed)[ __ ] then how are you a king okay wait what my Lord if we can watch Bridgeton together yeah I'll bow for you okay thoughts thoughts on bow thing
02:41:13
Panel guests (mixed)not the bow but everything else not down with the bow not down with the bow unless it makes sense for her culture that was all right Morgan uh yeah I don't know I
02:41:25
Panel guests (mixed)think at some point it gets too much too much what do you me like like it it seems like you're you're just a child like why am I doing everything for you you can't you can't pick up your own
02:41:35
Brian Atlasclothes I don't know well you see in in that video clip anyways this is a high P you know high-powered person with a dating podcast he goes home to his
02:41:45
Brian AtlasPenthouse apart goes home to his Penthouse apartment and his his uh girlfriend has t you know she just kicks it at the penthouse while he's he's out working he's taking care of all the
02:41:56
Panel guests (mixed)bills love to kick it yeah I agree if he's paying for all the bills but what if it's like it could be the other way too I could do some Ro I would be fine with being like making the money for the
02:42:06
Brian Atlashousehold and him being at the house right okay I don't know yeah sure well let me ask okay so outside of this context though the actual physical act
02:42:17
Brian Atlasof the bow what are your thoughts there not not cool I don't I don't know do you think uh do you think like what do you appreciate if a guy opens the car door
02:42:27
Brian Atlasfor you yeah on a date yeah does that kind of stuff okay would you do you want to get married one day yeah I oh do you want the guy to propose to you yeah do you want him to get down on one knee
02:42:38
Brian Atlasyeah like a little [ __ ] but it I mean it's like you want it's crazy y'all want y'all want a guy to like kneel kneel before you you're
02:42:49
Brian Atlasstanding there he gets down he's looking up at you with little puppy dog eyes oh sweetheart I love you so much hold on let me get the fu and you know how many times you get on your knees for him
02:42:59
Panel guests (mixed)after that so let's be real are you talking about be blow JS you're talking about blowj blow JS all the blowj how do you feel about a woman
02:43:10
Brian Atlasproposing to you H why I don't want get married unless she's Rich that's why you have this podast I only get married I'll I only I will only marry a woman if
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Brian Atlasshe's makes more money than me and she has to be like a billionaire or some [ __ ] I'll accept millionaire like a couple zeros and she still has to propose to you if she's a millionaire
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Brian Atlasbillionaire yeah you're only Maring if the only scenario I would get married but okay so this is what you want Morgan you want a guy Mary gertude
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Brian AtlasSpurlock that's not your actual last name my dear will you marry me oh my God yeah you oh wow okay all right all
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Panel guests (mixed)right okay I guess we're married now but um or engaged um but oh congratulations it's like it's crazy uh okay what about you the bow you down for the bow or no no he'll get a kiss he'll
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Panel guests (mixed)get a hug but I'm not I'm not bowing it just I don't know that seem kind of cultural as well so am I culturally appropriating right now no that's not what I meant but um no
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Andrew Wilsonhe'll get a kiss he'll get a hug right but I'm okay let's just assume I'm culturally appropriating and I'm just um how would you be but how would you be culturally appropriating I I don't even
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Brian Atlasunderstand that do you think that bows were not done in the west well I mean I think she's trying to say it's like kind of more common in like Asian cultures it's pretty rare for like in in in Western Wern countries and the reason
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Elsathey bow is because when you hug someone you can stab them in the back but when you bow you can't like it's it that's where it originated from really with but that's how started how started CH be be
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Brian Atlascaring katanas and [ __ ] you know I'm I'm worried um wait so you wouldn't know 100% no wouldn't maybe like in a playful manner sure fine playful yeah but every
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Panel guests (mixed)time you then that's not playful anymore that's well I guess yeah I guess it could be but Dam it's crazy I know I know it's uncommon would you would you
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Andrew Wilsonbow for the right man yes if the right man he was like he was Mr Right would you bow for him yes in a playful manner yes not in a dises but he wanted as a
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Andrew Wilsonsign for of respect he just thought it was very respectful if you bowed to him oh being submissive you know
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Panel guests (mixed)no no about to each other huh like should bow first no no no I don't bow I don't his phone didn't go down I don't
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Panel guests (mixed)bow I don't bow she bows a bow I can't stop uh what about you what do you think would you do the bow yeah I would for the right man but
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Brian Atlasyou wouldn't like for the right man right yeah for the right man yeah Maddie have you tested out the bow yet yeah did it work yeah well he watches the show I
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Brian Atlasguess or I don't uh but it's just like crazy to me because I feel like it's such a small ask like you don't got to
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Brian Atlasspend any money it's like not physically laborious you just boom dink dink you know what does it do for you it's it's
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Brian Atlaslike a uh it's a submissiveness test superiority no it's not about superiority what if she curtsied it's like the Western equalent
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Brian Atlasit's kind of cringy I prefer bow feel like a curtsy is just it's not cringy she weird as more formal not submissive it's not what I want but I don't know it's crazy because like we we'll ask like in
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Brian Atlasaddition to the ballot it's just like you know you were talking earlier like that guy asked you to do his laundry right on the first date and you're like that's weird right right that happened right they did the laundry though still
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Brian Atlasdidry but you were up you were upset about the laundry like you wouldn't you were that doesn't seem like very first date thing for me but but check this out right check this out right so here's what's crazy to me
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Brian Atlaswhen it comes to the bow or like cooking a man a meal or doing his laundry you guys will object to that but you'll [ __ ] a
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Brian Atlasguy the first night interesting like you will let a guy I could get I mean you know I could get into detail you know what I mean like a girl could let a
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Brian Atlasguy bust not on her face that's why I'm just saying that could happen it could happen on the first date you know i' it's I a girl requested that
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Sammy Joeonce from me it could happen on the First on first date yeah she a freak I guess don't yuck someone's yum yeah
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Brian Atlasthat's but it's like hold on you'll let a guy like you'll let a guy hit girl you'll let a guy hit but like literally doing
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Brian Atlaslike you'll be I to be V but you'll like literally choke on his pee pee on his pee but you won't bow for him dat first date but you won't bow you
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Panel guests (mixed)won't you won't what you had experience no I've never heard you say that I just choke on the pee PE yeah and anyways you but
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Brian Atlaslaundry just doing folding his laundry you know not very difficult you know cooking the meal whatever doing a simple bow like no I won't do that but you can
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Brian Atlasbe inside of me son that's crazy bro you can't penetrate me with your
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Brian Atlaspenis but but I I won't do a little watch this boom that's it you won't do that I didn't say no I said you know what I mean you know what I
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Panel guests (mixed)mean but also but can we agree it depends on woman too like some women don't like there is believe it or not there's women who don't [ __ ] or kiss on
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Panel guests (mixed)the first or second or third or even fifth date there's still some old school tradition values in some women well why won't those women bow then well that's what I'm saying like those
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Brian Atlaswomen I guess the point asked to I guess the point I'm trying to make is the same woman that says not again yes there are women who will who won't [ __ ] on the first dat they'll [ __ ] on the second but