Andrew Wilson HEATED DEBATE With Female Dating Coach?! E-GIRLS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #175
Date: 2024-07-03
Duration: 7h 10m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS / donation reader(audience)
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Adeline(guest)
SPEAKER_03Cross-talk / clip(audience)
SPEAKER_04Cross-talk / crew(audience)
SPEAKER_05Panel guests (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_06Jelle (brief)(guest)
SPEAKER_07Nick (crew)(audience)
SPEAKER_08Elsa(guest)
SPEAKER_09Background(audience)
SPEAKER_10TTS / donation reader(audience)
SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_12Background / crew(audience)
SPEAKER_13Background(audience)
SPEAKER_14Sammy Joe(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:53
IntroAdeline introduces herself: 26yo, OnlyFans model/streamer/media personality, from LA.
“hi I'm Adeline I am an only fans model model streamer media personality I'm 26 and I live in LA”
00:04:08
IntroSammy Joe introduces herself: 28yo, IFBB bikini pro, online health & fitness coach, streamer, San Diego; has competition in ~2.5 weeks.
“hi my name is Samy Joe I am from San Diego I am 28 and I am an ifbb bikini Pro online health and fitness coach streamer and content creator”
00:06:13
IntroAyana introduces herself: 22yo, Santa Barbara, singer.
“I'm Ayana um I'm 22 and from Santa Barbara and I'm a singer”
00:07:27
IntroElsa introduces herself: 32yo, Austin TX, dating coach for men (7.5 years, 600-700 clients). Has bachelor's in marketing and psychology.
“hi I'm Elsa I'm 32 I'm from Austin Texas and I am a dating coach for men”
00:08:21
IntroMorgan introduces herself: 18yo, Bay Area, SBCC first year, studying political science.
“I'm Morgan I'm 18 I'm from the Bay Area and I currently go to Santa Barbara City College”
00:09:12
IntroAndrea introduces herself: 23yo, LA, model/actress/fashion stylist/musician.
“I'm Andrea I am from Los Angeles California I'm 23 years old and um I'm a model I'm an actress I'm a Fashion Stylist”
00:09:51
IntroJelle begins introduction: 23yo, studying for bachelor's in business management — intro cut off by TTS donation.
“hello everyone my name is jelle I'm 23 I am studying to get my bachelor's in degree wait sorry in business and um manage”
00:11:19
IntroMaddie introduces herself: 19yo, San Diego, lives in Santa Barbara, works for Whatever podcast, SBCC student.
“my name is Madison I'm 19 I'm from San Diego and I live in Santa Barbara I work for the whatever podcast”
00:11:39
IntroAndrew Wilson introduced remotely: host of The Crucible, fastest-growing debate channel on YouTube (his claim), political analyst.
“yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube to my knowledge I'm a political saturnist a political analyst and I like to occasionally engage in a bit of debate”
04:00:32
OtherPanel reacts to street interview clip of a 26yo woman saying she would use a guilt-free pass for professional athletes (Lindy Waters III, Barry Sanders Jr.) in front of her 22yo boyfriend. Brian and panel: instant breakup.
“26 22 how long you've been together 2 years if she gave you a guilt-free pass to sleep with anybody would you take it... I would take it that's crazy”
04:30:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson confronts Andrea over her claim of being a 10: if she is a 10 and everyone is beautiful, can she point to the prettiest girl in the room? Extended back-and-forth on objective vs subjective beauty. Andrea refuses to single out anyone; Andrew argues this is "coping."
“wouldn't a person who was ugly know ugly when they saw it... the thing is is you're not actually engaging with the spirit of the question”
04:43:20
Key MomentAdeline concedes Andrew's wife Rachel is prettier than her when pressed. Adeline says Rachel is "beautiful" and "prettier than me." Andrew uses this to expose inconsistency in others' "everyone is a 10" positions.
“I think she's prettier she's got so much... yes she is beautiful okay great is she prettier than the girl next to you”
06:05:00
ControversyAndrew challenges Elsa's claim that Charisma can be taught. He argues the baseline must exist innately. Elsa defends her coaching methodology by analogy to teaching sales. Both sides partially agree on the role of potential vs actualization.
“wouldn't they need to have some baseline inside of their personality core some kind of Baseline Charisma where they even had the potential”
06:54:50
OtherBrian asks Adeline and Sammy to consider stopping sex work at show close; both decline. Adeline: "you start paying my bills." Sammy frames it as a personal kink/exhibitionism. Andrew asks Sammy if she would do it unpaid; she confirms the kink preceded OF.
“would you both consider stopping sex work entirely... delete your only fans you start paying my bills I'm good”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Show intro and guest introductions
Brian opens the show with standard announcements (Streamlabs, Twitch, Discord, Patreon, merch). Guests introduce themselves: Adeline (26, LA, OnlyFans model/streamer), Sammy Joe (28, San Diego, IFBB bikini pro/fitness coach), Ayana (22, Santa Barbara, singer), Elsa (32, Austin TX, men's dating coach), Morgan (18, East Bay/SBCC, political science), Andrea (23, LA, model/actress), Jelle (23, auto shop manager/student), Maddie (19, SBCC/Whatever staff). Andrew Wilson introduced by satellite as host of The Crucible at [11:39].
00:13:00
Relationship status round
Brian asks each guest their current relationship status, length of single time, and longest relationship. Adeline: in a relationship 6 months (BF Zach, both retired from mainstream adult content). Sammy Joe: married 2 years, together 6. Ayana: relay-situationship ~1 year, no title, bisexual. Elsa: engaged since Christmas Eve (4 years together). Morgan: single 2 months, 3-year HS relationship ended (she broke it off — ex stopped planning dates). Andrea: single 3-4 months, broke up by ex (emotionally unavailable businessman, still works with him). Jelle: in a relationship/situationship. Maddie: single. Sidebar: Morgan/ex "we need to talk" text discussion and laundry-on-first-date anecdote.
00:36:00
Age gap debate
Extended discussion on age gaps in relationships: is a 44yo man dating a 20yo woman creepy? Brian presents the question; Elsa finds it "a little creepy" (prefrontal cortex argument). Andrew Wilson argues the motive is purely looks-based. Macron/wife dynamic discussed (she was 40, he was 15 as a student). Ayana argues everyone counts from 18 as "year zero" of adult experience. Andrew debates Elsa on whether it's wrong to set age filters. Sammy Jo: fine if it's mutual preference. Panel divided on whether it's "wrong" vs "weird." Andrew argues it's a looks filter.
01:00:00
Men stopping effort after commitment / relationship dynamics
Brian and Andrew discuss whether men reasonably reduce effort after securing a partner. Comparison made to women letting themselves go in long-term relationships. Elsa argues equivalent failure is women becoming less effort on appearance. Sammy and Ayana discuss how men put in effort early then coast once they "have you." Morgan's ex situation as a case study: he stopped planning dates. Audience TTS chimes in. Andrew questions whether serving partners is a feminist concept.
02:00:00
Attractiveness, confidence, and approach
Discussion on whether women prefer confident or nervous men approaching them. Panel consensus: confident approach preferred. Andrew argues confidence compounds attractiveness. Brian expands: overconfidence reads differently depending on the man's attractiveness. Elsa and Sammy discuss red hair / emotional expression tangent from audience TTS. Whether confidence can be taught vs is innate debated.
02:40:00
Waiting until marriage / religion and sex
Andrea (possibly Jelle per mixing) — identified as Christian, pro-waiting-until-marriage. Brian and the panel explore her reasoning. Religious denomination not specified (non-denominational). Goes to church. Does not date outside her values. Contrast with Adeline's adult content career. Discussion: does waiting until marriage make sense from a secular standpoint? Brian presents the argument that women who sleep quickly with some men but make others wait is inconsistent. Elsa frames compatibility as the key factor. Andrew and Brian debate the implications for men who wait.
04:00:00
Reacting to street interview clip: guilty-free pass
Nick plays a clip (Desirable Truth or similar) of a 26yo woman saying she would use a "guilt-free pass" to sleep with professional athletes (Lindy Waters III, Barry Sanders Jr.) in front of her 22yo boyfriend. Panel reacts. Brian: instant breakup. Elsa: "typically worrisome." Sammy: she had those answers too ready. Andrew points out the boyfriend should have walked.
04:30:00
Looks ratings round
Audience TTS requests guests rate their looks on a 1-10 scale (no 7s allowed). Sammy: 6 (downgraded from prior 10 due to weight gain and hair dye change). Ayana: 7.5-7.9. Morgan: 8.5. Andrea: 10 (disputed). Elsa: 10 initially. Brian: 5-6. Andrew (remote): 4. Extended debate between Andrew and Andrea on whether Andrea can logically claim to be a 10 while insisting everyone is beautiful. Andrew argues Elsa's wife (Rachel) rates herself a 6 and that is more honest. Adeline says Andrew's wife is prettier than her. Discussion on objective vs subjective beauty standards.
04:56:40
Plastic surgery / aesthetic enhancements discussion
Brian states plastic surgery makes women less attractive in his view (real example: fake breasts detectable under clothing). Sammy and Elsa discuss surgeries beyond implants. Panel discusses whether plastic surgery can elevate a "5 to a 9" vs natural beauty. Brian: maximum potential is capped by natural baseline. Referenced example: celebrity/model photos shown on-screen. "Labiaplasty" mentioned as extreme case at [328:01].
05:50:00
Dating coach legitimacy debate — Elsa vs Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson questions Elsa's credentials and value proposition as a men's dating coach. Is it fraudulent for a woman to coach men on dating women? Elsa defends her methodology; 600-700 clients, teaching confidence/social skills/Charisma. Andrew: Charisma cannot be taught; it must be innate. Elsa: Charisma can be taught like sales technique — timing, tonality, listening, storytelling. Andrew: does Charisma potential require an underlying baseline personality trait? Both sides partially concede. Brian mediates. Chat heavily sides with Andrew.
06:53:20
Body count round and closing
Quick body count round at show close. Maddie's answer cut off/redirected. Panel answers (SPEAKER_05 mixed): Sammy/Ayana range mentioned ("single digit," similar to last appearance). Morgan: single digit (plead fifth on roster details). Jelle/Andrea: four. Adeline: misheard by Brian as "800" (she said "gosh"). Brian asks Adeline and Sammy to consider stopping sex work; both decline. Andrew asks Sammy if she would do OnlyFans for free (kink-driven); she eventually says she recorded herself before OF existed, so yes it pre-dates the platform. Show ends with raid announcement and final call to like/subscribe.
Transcript
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00:55:59
Brian Atlasreal quick then we'll go home math home math home math home math inste of girl math we're we're escalated to home
00:56:13
Backgroundmath if he won't find someone who will like if he won't open your door for you find someone who will simple right my brother just asked me does that work for guys too I was like of course so he's like so if she doesn't cook for me find
00:56:24
Brian Atlassomeone who will yeah if she won't do my laundry for me then find a girl that will yeah I didn't say it didn't go both does it sound so bad when men say it it
00:56:33
Brian Atlassounds bad because our society so I mean is that so you said earlier something along those lines like for the man I said if you can't if I'm not doing the things that you want go find that you
00:56:45
Brian Atlasknow it's it's it goes both ways it's not just one oh and we also have to do the bow okay so uh I'm watching a lot of Bridgeton I got my bow on unlocked good to know so because she seemed to object
00:56:58
Brian Atlaslike she was saying well if you won't find a man who does X find one who will so when it comes to what men should do she's totally cool with it like so find a guy who will open the car door pay for
00:57:08
Brian Atlasdates buy you flowers blah blah blah etc etc but when you reverse it and you say find a woman who will do your laundry who will cook for you who'll be submissive etc etc then it's like well
00:57:22
Andrew Wilsonthat's misogynistic it's not that's there's someone out there for everybody you don't have to limit yourself you don't have to settle hang on because we were just kind of squabbling a second ago
00:57:34
Andrew Wilsonabout this uh this twoy old kid that has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about right now I think it does I think on I think it does can you can you elaborate when you're like when they're like okay well you can't have my
00:57:46
Andrew Wilsonbaby so I'm going to find a girl that will that's going to be a girl you know preferably in the 20s right yeah sure so in your 40s and you're like I want to have children going to go find myself a chick in their 20s is's going to give me
00:57:57
Andrew Wilsonlots of them right isn't that the I'll find someone who will isn't that the same thing the reason that I think that these two things are different is
00:58:06
Panel guests (mixed)because in that situation you can't wait hold on let me reverse I said that both of these things work for both genders I
00:58:15
Panel guests (mixed)said at 20 if you're 21 22 you're a one-year-old 2-year old adult right so that was for men or women if I say I want to find somebody that'll do this for for me and that for me and the
00:58:28
Panel guests (mixed)person that you're with right now isn't doing it that that goes for men and women because there are people that will do those things for you and make you feel the way that you want to feel it's
00:58:37
Andrew Wilsonnot about gender 40 so so yeah I mean I get it so if a 45-year-old man's like oh if you're if you won't have my babies I'll find a girl that will and preferably one in their 20s because
00:58:50
Panel guests (mixed)they're going to have lots of babies that seems totally appropriate right if they find a girl in their 20s who want want to do that I praise it go ahead if you can find somebody that wants to do that for
00:59:02
Panel guests (mixed)you I am so more than happy for you it's not a disagreement no so no ick it's not icky right I don't I can't say that it's icky I've had an age Gap I'm just saying like if you're thinking about it like
00:59:15
Panel guests (mixed)we're not on the same stage that was the disagreement there that they're not on the same stage of life cuz this is a virgin at 22 and this is a virgin at 44 you have had 44 years of being [ __ ] before before we get into it further I
00:59:28
Brian Atlaswant to go around the table on one thing sounds like the I stop before we get into it I want to go around the table on one thing and also just FYI we have boosted the TTS to
00:59:39
Brian Atlas200 thank you guys for those of you s I'm in just going around the table do you object to age Gap relationships go
00:59:47
Panel guests (mixed)ahead no no no no no no um yeah I I don't think age Gap relationships should be a thing you
01:00:00
Panel guests (mixed)think they shouldn't be a thing you just can't grow together the same way wait but you just said I'm not against it if I'm not against it I don't have to be against it you're against age gaps okay
01:00:09
Sammy Joewhat about you um no but I guess it depends on like the age Gap I was just going to say what do you consider so like I my age Gap is 9 years M the guy's
01:00:22
Sammy Joeolder yeah yeah okay so it's like there's very there are iations right there's very many situations where you can have someone who grew up faster or
01:00:32
Sammy Joethey're more mature or like for me I wasn't a big partyer like I knew that I wanted a family I knew that I wanted to like that that was my goal in life and
01:00:44
Sammy Joeit wasn't to go out and party on the weekends in my like in my 20s which you know to each their own everybody has their own thing but it's like I knew to get what I wanted in life I needed to
01:00:54
Sammy Joelook older MH mhm and it was like they just so happened to find someone who was also at that same mindset so it's like it's possible is it rare yeah it's rare
01:01:05
Panel guests (mixed)but is it possible or like I personally prefer an age Gap just because well I look for a leader and I look for
01:01:17
Panel guests (mixed)someone who can set that tone and environment for me to be submissive and follow into that lead and I tend to find it and older men versus men my age 100%
01:01:29
Sammy JoeAnd I feel like that's something that is talked a lot on this podcast but like it's never mentioned like you have to think for every girl in her 20s that is looking for someone older there has to
01:01:41
Sammy Joebe someone older that is willing to date someone younger than them so it's okay for a girl to walk around and be like oh I want someone who's older than me but then when we start to talk about a guy who wants someone younger than them it
01:01:53
Sammy Joestarts to get weird or like people start to feel like it's weird but you have to think there there's two sides to it so it's like we can say oh oh it's fine for her to want someone older but then when a guy's like when a guy says that they
01:02:05
Sammy Joewant someone younger we're like oh that's that's weird or something and it's like well you have to have two sides to it there's got to be someone for the other person and so going around the table once more and actually as soon
01:02:15
Brian Atlasas Elsa gets back I we went around but didn't get her answer uh are you cool with ageg gap relationships you fine with age Gap relationships okay uh so
01:02:26
Adelinegoing around the table just State your age again and the oldest guy you would date um I'm
01:02:35
Adeline26 and um at 22 or 23 I did date someone close to their 50s okay okay so you
01:02:42
Sammy Joewould date into their 40s okay Ryan Reynolds 47 by the way just saying okay how old would you I'm 28 and I would say
01:02:53
Panel guests (mixed)the absolute most I would go is probably like 12 years so 40 40 yeah um I am
01:03:02
Panel guests (mixed)22 and I've dated somebody who is 36 I mean I feel like it's all about your mental capacity are you grown enough to date a grown ass man are you
01:03:14
Panel guests (mixed)grown are you young-minded enough to date a grown woman I mean a young woman like that's um weird though cuz I feel like you're kind of speaking out of both sides of your mouth so you're you go you
01:03:26
Andrew Wilsonknow hang on hang let me explain like ah you know I really don't have any problem with it but then when we go to somebody else you go there's no way that they're on the same plane or that they are on the same experience level or you know
01:03:38
Panel guests (mixed)like whatever the hell that means what does that mean they might not be on the same level right but if you're young and you want to date somebody that's older
01:03:49
Panel guests (mixed)you have to be willing to go in and do the things that you've never done before because this man who is 40 years old is doing those things and you've never done that you have no experience in it so yes
01:04:00
Panel guests (mixed)if you are willing to learn and do more then yes you can be in an age Gap Gap relationship but it also goes the other way around I don't understand what the hell do they need to do they're like they're 22y old there's such a
01:04:13
Andrew Wilsondifference there's such a difference cuz at 22 years old hang hang on hang on just let you give your Spiel you got to let me talk for a second calm down okay and you'll get a chance to respond
01:04:22
Andrew Wilsonpromise so anyway uh what what do you think they need to do they if they're if they're 21 22 and they're dating let's say a 35 or 37y old man what do you
01:04:33
Andrew Wilsonthink that he wants them to do exactly balance his checkbook hang on hang on balance his checkbook what what like what is it specifically that you think he wants from her he wants her to be mature and do all the things that he's
01:04:45
Panel guests (mixed)expecting from a woman that is not something that everybody knows especially at a young age they're expecting you to be this grown ass woman who knows how to take care of the house take care of everything that you need to
01:04:58
Panel guests (mixed)get done they are expecting more because they have learned about more women they have grown and they have they have grown and learned what they want more than as a young person they don't give a [ __ ] they want to have sex with them cuz but
01:05:10
Panel guests (mixed)that's not true because I've done it I've done it that's what I'm telling you is I've done it he's expecting and the type of car they drive they don't give a [ __ ] about that [ __ ] what do you mean it's not true there maybe there are people that don't give a [ __ ] but I've
01:05:22
Andrew Wilsonbeen in a situation where they didn't demonstrate why I know that I can demonstrate how I know because know is because because men inside of their 40s
01:05:33
Andrew Wilsonwho date women who are 35 36 don't have any High expectation from those women either they don't have any High expectation from those women they're going to hang hang on hang on right you're going at talking you're not good
01:05:44
Andrew Wilsonat listening so just hang on listen to what I'm saying okay they really don't have high expectations from women at all when it comes to this they don't have some high expectations she's going to be some work boss and she's going to contribute hunts through the household they don't have any of those expect why
01:05:57
Andrew Wilsonthe hell would they have them to a woman at 22 23 the only reason that I say that is because I've experienced it couldn't there be both like you think that you were valued for your maturity and that
01:06:10
Panel guests (mixed)you were valued for your insights into life or do you think perhaps you were valued for a different reason that's not what I'm saying I'm saying it's what he expected not what he valued what he
01:06:21
Panel guests (mixed)expected what he wanted from me was different than what I had to to give because I didn't know about those type of things yeah what did he expect he expected me to be that girl that wakes
01:06:33
Panel guests (mixed)up earlier than him goes and Cooks breakfast and does all these things to make sure that he's good in the day checks up on him 50 times a day and do and do all these things why wouldn't a 22-year-old have the same expectation
01:06:46
Andrew WilsonI've also been in a relationship with a 22-year-old and they like it when you're a little bit more standoffish uh I've gotten more attention 22y old just want to make sure I get is right you think that 22-year-old men also don't want you to
01:06:59
Panel guests (mixed)wake up before them and cook them breakfast because I promise that they do I didn't say that they that they don't I said that that's what a man that is that of of that age is expecting that whereas uh a man that is younger he hasn't even
01:07:12
Andrew Wilsonexperienced that so he can't really say oh well you're not doing this you're not doing this he's like okay well this is what I want can we saying that because he's ignorant of what it is that that he
01:07:22
Andrew Wilsonwants which is you to cook him breakfast in the morning before he wakes up that basically it's easier to exploit him than it would be as somebody who's 35 and's like no lady you're going to wake up and cook me breakfast is that I mean
01:07:35
Panel guests (mixed)is that really the position that's not what I said can't we I mean how but how is it not that I don't how is it not that let's go to jelle let's let jelle talk I feel like can't we agree that
01:07:46
Panel guests (mixed)depending on whatever gender we are whatever age we are there's going to be men who just want to [ __ ] and then some who want the wife life material and vice versa there's women who just want to
01:07:58
Panel guests (mixed)just have sex with a four-year-old man and there's women who want to be a wife in the in the wife World want to cook want to clean want to do provide and be that environment for a man can we all
01:08:11
Andrew Wilsonagree that there just it depends on preference 100% because I think everybody damn it Andrew just I just can't bring myself to agree with this point because I just don't think it's true
01:08:25
Sammy Joedon't you for you okay are you are you married he is MHM do you have like do you have standards for yourself how you
01:08:34
Sammy Joewant your house upkept how you want your family to be protected or things like that is that not a standard for you yeah right and it's a mutual agreement
01:08:45
Sammy Joebetween you and your wife who has what responsibility to upkeep what correct sure okay so you don't just expect your wife to sleep with you at the end of the night you expect your wife to uphold the
01:08:56
Sammy Joestandards of your household correct and also sleep with me yes right both uh wholeheartedly of course sure so would you not expect that other people have those standards yeah but I think
01:09:09
Andrew Wilsonthat they're going to have the same standards at 22 as they do at 40 when it comes to that so I think that men I think that men at 22 would still prefer to have their women cooking cleaning and upholding the standards of their household as they would at 40 years old
01:09:20
Andrew Wilsonbut also at they would to just [ __ ] at 22 they would [ __ ] anybody let me let me get a word in hang on there's a lot of people on the panel let me respond to what she's saying okay well if I swear
01:09:31
Andrew Wilsonyou're going to get plenty of time talk so to kind of get back to this I think that 22-year-old men still want to have their breakfast cooked and they still want to have their chick cook and clean and uh they still want to have sex with her chick just like when they're at 40 I'm just saying that I think that
01:09:44
Andrew Wilson40-year-old men who have a preference for younger women honestly mostly don't have the preference because they think oh you're really mature for your age I because they don't think women at 35 are really mature for their age I think that
01:09:55
Andrew Wilsonthey think well you're really hot and I want to bang you that's what I think right and I think that it tends to work out pretty well I I think it honestly tends to work out pretty well I don't I think that women are after them for the
01:10:08
Elsaresources hey they're after them for their youth and Beauty seems like it works out actually statistically though the age Gap relationships don't work out as well so anything above 10 years starts to decline in terms of
01:10:20
Andrew Wilsonrelationship satisfaction and Longevity yeah and most relationships don't work out all Also let's point out relationship that do what you're citing
01:10:30
Andrew Wilsonare marriage stats you're citing marriages between these massive age gaps don't work out that's far different than relationships which we don't have a lot of data on or the fact that oh hey these
01:10:42
Andrew Wilsonuh 40y old or 35y old NBA players who are banging all these 21y old cheerleaders they look real miserable they look like oh man they just they just want to check out don't they boy they look like they were having a real
01:10:54
Sammy Joerough time over there right I don't think they are I think that both both parties are getting exactly what they want out of that right because those NBA players also have people that cook and clean for them so
01:11:06
Andrew Wilsontheir only expectation of these women is to [ __ ] them you think oh yeah yeah you think that a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader 22 isn't going to wake up in the morning and cook and clean for their quarterback yeah [ __ ] right sell me another they
01:11:19
Andrew Wilsongot somebody to do it for them they most of these people have people that live in their houses that do that for them so what what if they they're usually married to women who the point isn't whether they do or they don't the point is is I think that she would that's my
01:11:32
Sammy Joepoint no I mean she probably would because most again a woman who is willing to take that submissive role to a man is willing to take on those roles
01:11:43
Sammy Joefor that man but you're saying that every man just has this expectation to [ __ ] whether they're 22 or 54 and you're saying the maturity level so you're
01:11:53
Sammy Joesaying your maturity level is the same maturity level of someone who's 20 or 22 I don't think there's ever an equal maturity level between was wondering what point we were debating at hang on hang on I don't
01:12:06
Andrew Wilsonthink that there's ever an equal maturity level and what I'm saying is oh gee older men like to [ __ ] young hot women wow I'm so shocked I'm so surprised this is news to me whoa this
01:12:19
Andrew Wilsonthis mindblowing stuff that young hot women are are U you know being quested after by Rich older guys who want to bang him like I'm not shocked by this wait did anyone actually disagree with that I don't think we're arguing the
01:12:31
Sammy Joeright point or the same point you're saying okay what's your point my point is is that you're saying the maturity level of a 22-year-old male is the same maturity level of a 42y old male that's
01:12:42
Andrew Wilsonnot what I said you said regardless yes you did you said regardless of if they're 42 or 22 all they want to do is [ __ ] no you're strawmanning my argument I said that their expectations of I want
01:12:54
Sammy Joemy household run are going to be the exact same I think as a 35y old man mat 22-year- old men don't they live in a dirty 22y old man wake up in the
01:13:05
Andrew Wilsonmorning and say why are you here understand that I'm remoted in and tacking at the same time I can't hear a word you're saying so I it has to 22y old men don't have a household for a woman to upkeep okay but
01:13:18
Andrew Wilsonlet's assume well first of all they're tell you stop stop stop stop stop lying stop lying in coping stop lying and coping yes there are 22 men who do have households yes there are I don't know where you came up with the
01:13:30
Andrew Wilsonfact that there aren't but there most certainly are I I was under the impression that we were generalizing yeah so that's why I'm generalizing but in this generalization you you used it as a monolith you said all you said you
01:13:42
Andrew Wilsonsaid there 22-year-old men don't have households yes they do and I think inside those households which they do have they have expectations for outs run just like four-year-old men do but also a lot of 22y old men aren't expecting
01:13:53
Panel guests (mixed)the woman to be in it all the time maybe different women but not just the same woman that's 100% they're 22 years old they're at their Prime they know that they could get any [ __ ] they want and if they wake up and you're still there
01:14:05
Andrew Wilsonthey're wondering when you're going home yeah that's the difference that's the difference between that and a 44y old man listen you're you're talk now we are talking past each other so if you're talking about some 22y old Playboy who's
01:14:18
Andrew Wilsonbanging a bunch of chicks fine we are talking about men who are dating like exclusively with women who are younger than them but let's just say even the same age I think that they still would
01:14:29
Andrew Wilsonprefer inside their household that their household be run and kept in certain ways this idea that they they don't somehow because there's an age Gap is bizarre to me I don't I don't I don't
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Andrew Wilsonget that I would think that a man would expect a 22-year-old woman or a 35y old woman to do those things and I don't see why it's outside of the capacity of either to do them I don't I I honestly
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Panel guests (mixed)don't get it I guess it just depends on preference maturity level I think they would all prefer that but expect it less of a younger woman why would they expect it less like
01:15:02
Andrew Wilsonhow hard is it to do dishes and cook breakfast I me how old do you need to be 31 years old to do some dishes and cook breakfast but according to your argument they're filtering for hotness so her
01:15:14
Elsahotness compensates for the fact that she's not willing to wash your dishes right she's got to put in more work than the 35-year-old who's not as hot because
01:15:24
Andrew Wilsonhe's filtered for hotness so he might might just be okay with that 44y old guy there could be men I suppose that there could be men who give more of a preference to the fact that she's more
01:15:35
Andrew Wilsonbeautiful and would let things like that slide okay I I guess but I still think that they have an expectation that if they're dating a younger woman she can still do the [ __ ] dishes right I I don't think that that's something that
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Sammy Joethey're too concerned about I don't think they're like ah you know uh maybe when you're 30 you can do the dishes and cook breakfast I don't think it's the cap ability of doing it more so of the intention or the desire to do it right
01:15:59
Sammy Joebecause I know that for myself because I literally lived this at 22 when I was with someone who was 32 everybody that I was friends with was going out to the
01:16:11
Sammy Joebar they were drinking every weekend from Thursday to Sunday whereas I was upkeeping a house not many girls my age at that time were willing to or had a desire to do that they were still living
01:16:24
Andrew Wilsonwith their parents parents they were working a part-time job they were spending whatever money that they had out at the bars on the weekend but that's not that different than most women in their 30s right most women in their 30s are still out partying and still living that same lifestyle so I'm
01:16:37
Andrew Wilsonnot really sure that this kind of maturity argument works right this would just be kind of a case by case maybe just a hope and I think that we're the more how that cope hope with an H oh
01:16:48
Sammy Joehope I'm sorry go ahead uh but I also think that you're you're arguing the point of the woman maturity from 20 to 35 and we're talking about the male's maturity from 20 to 35 you know what I
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Sammy Joemean so we're talking about it on the male's perspective of like we don't think that a 20 a male in their 20s is going to have the same expectation as a
01:17:10
Sammy Joemale in their 40s whereas you're saying a female in her 20s and a female in her 30s have the same capability or willingness to do these actions what do you think the distinction and
01:17:22
Andrew Wilsonexpectation is that's what my that's what the hang hang on let her answer hang on let her answer what do you think the distinction expectation is between a
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Sammy Joe22-year- old man and a 35-year old man dating a 22-year old woman I just I think that a male in their 20s has less expectation of a homem maker woman than
01:17:44
Sammy Joesomeone in their 30s would someone in their 30s like give me specific I don't know what up up keeping a house so doing the laundry doing the dishes cooking cleaning you know making sure everything
01:17:56
Andrew Wilsonis kind of yeah no I completely discount that as being true at all I think that a 22-year-old who was in a long-term monogamous relationship with a living girlfriend or a wife is going to have
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Panel guests (mixed)the same expectations that she keeps the house up as a 40-year-old yeah I me but didn't you say your initial like motive was like 40-year-old men only wanted to sleep with 20-year-old men because of
01:18:18
Andrew Wilsontheir lucks because she's hot that was the original argument that might be well hang on why she selected for him is irr or why he selected for her is irrelevant I think that 22-year-old men also select
01:18:29
Andrew Wilson22y old women because they're hot and they want to bang them as well I still think that the expectation here for how they act inside of the home is very similar I wouldn't go over to let's say
01:18:40
Andrew Wilsonat a 23-year-old friend's house and his wife was there I think he would have the exact same expectation that I would for how my wife would behave as far as you know cooking and
01:18:50
Sammy Joecleaning and caring for the house question a v answer think it's just yeah it's going to be subjective on the person and again it goes back to maturity level so you either have a
01:19:02
Sammy Joereally mature 22-year-old who has this standard of an upkept house or you have a 22-year-old who's a complete Bachelor and doesn't give a [ __ ] what his house looks like rolling St baby so it's going to be based on but isn't that a goal
01:19:14
Andrew Wilsonpost shift so we're talking about PE people who are in relationships with each other and I and in this case live in relationships with each other and I find it difficult to believe that a
01:19:25
Andrew Wilson22-year-old married man does not have the expectation that his wife is upkeeping the house cuz she's hot any more than the 40y old man would have that expectation cuz she's hot I think they still want their house upkept
01:19:36
Elsaeither way but a 40-year-old man who's filtering for a 20-year-old woman is not the same as a 22-year-old guy who's dating they both filtering for the same thing chick
01:19:46
Elsahot well yeah but the 22y old man makes makes more sense with a 20year old woman because they're in the same vicinity they're they go to college together they probably seen each
01:19:58
Elsaothery you said earlier that a 40-year-old man who's rich is more likely to filter for a 20-year-old which I'm not disagreeing with cuz money does give men power and leverage because they can get them but I still think they're both sting for the same thing they're
01:20:10
Andrew Wilsonboth still selecting for the same thing they're both still selecting for a hot chick whether they're 22 or they're 42 so if they're both going to select for the same chick what I want to hear is why it is they've both selected for this
01:20:22
Elsachick but do you think they have wildly different expectations for him in their home life I might yeah I think that a 40-year-old man who makes multiple seven figures has different expectations than
01:20:32
Andrew Wilsona 22-year old college guy who probably doesn't have a job for her to be hot and to stay hot and to not make him look dumb when he takes her out in public I think a 22y old wants the same thing I think a 22-year-old man also wants this
01:20:45
Elsachick to stay hot not make him look dumb in public yeah he wants that but I don't think it goes much beyond that because he doesn't have the opportunities that a 40-year-old I'm assuming man who makes multiple seven figures has they they
01:20:57
Andrew Wilsonhave different life experiences what got that man to be where he's at then tell me these experiences this is what I keep asking for is these specifics when then when we get on the specifics you go yeah you're right they do want the same thing
01:21:08
Andrew Wilsonso I want the actual things that you think that the 40-year-old man expects of the 22-year-old the 22-year- old man doesn't expect I honestly don't think the 40-year-old man expects her to do dishes he probably has someone who takes
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Elsacare of that he probably wants her to be nurturing and supportive but I don't think he necessar I don't think it's a deal breaker I don't think he's going to sit her down and say hey if you don't do the dishes we're going to have a serious issue yeah I disagree
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Andrew WilsonI think that they will I think I think that if you're in a long-term anous relationship a Liv in situation girlfriend 22 and she won't do the dishes I think he'll be like this chick got took on a date where she was folding laundry I mean what do you mean yes they
01:21:45
TTS / donation readerhave the expectation their dishes are done I think they do yes I think you would have to demonstrate Motor Sports donated $200
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TTS / donation readermy wife is 11 years younger than I am married 19 years maybe the problem is not with the man but with you you seem
01:22:04
Brian Atlasvery disagreeable might want to work on that I mean there's another one comre part right now uh sorry guys our our TTS was down
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01:22:27
Brian Atlasbeing married 19 years feminist dating coach you should refund your clients and also let me just get through a couple okay so uh there were two 69s that didn't come through so I'll just read
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Brian Atlasthank you man appreciate it oh okay y'all are delusion name one guy whose expectation is she needs to make money Pro tip I've never heard of a single one this came through about mons no one said
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Panel guests (mixed)that literally no one said that wer arguing come on get boobed also that's not true you know how many guys want to be pimps nowadays this this is kind of being alluded to though I kind of agree with
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Andrew Wilsonget booped here so what's being what's being alluded to is that the expectation that a 22-year-old husband has or a long-term boyfriend has if they're in a living situation with their girl is that she he doesn't want her to do the he
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Andrew Wilsondoesn't have the expectation going to do the dishes The 40-Year-Old has the expectation going to do the dishes so what is the what are the 22-year-old men's expectation of their let me tell you because I'm actually dating a
01:23:36
Adeline22-year-old and I am 26 and I have also dated an older man with the older man I was not expected to do dishes he took care of everything and I was just expected to be happy pretty hot and be a
01:23:48
Adelinegood arm candy with my did he he did your dishes no he did he did it um so and then my so my my
01:23:56
Adeline22-year-old boyfriend current he does the dishes I do the laundry and go ahead continue continue go ahead I mean just SS maybe it's also a
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Adelinegenerational Gap hold on let her finish go ahead and so it's just like and then I also dated a 34 year-old man to answer the TTS who expected me and I was
01:24:19
Adelineactually the bread winner for two years and supported the entire relationship so different men of different ages do have different expectations but no that sounds like it's anecdotal only in that
01:24:31
Andrew Wilsonyou had experiences with these men and they had different expectations individually that doesn't mean as a whole that 22-year-old men with living wives and girlfriends don't expect them to do the dishes it's just ridiculous to
01:24:43
Andrew Wilsonme it's ridiculous if you don't mind where are you getting your data from you I'm sorry um I'm curious so when you're when you're saying data you made the claim did I make claim or did you make the CLA you're making the claim
01:24:56
Andrew Wilsonthat the 22-year-old and The 40-Year-Old have the same expectations I'm just curious no what I said to you specifically was this if it is true that they have different expectations what is the distinction in the expectations they
01:25:08
Andrew Wilsonhave you said doing the dishes you don't expect that the 22-year-old would have the expectation that the dishes are done The 40-Year-Old would that is a you claim for you to demonstrate I can't prove a
01:25:23
Sammy Joenegative what what I don't we're not I don't I still don't believe you keep referring to live in wife longterm and I
01:25:32
Sammy Joedon't think that's where the initial conversation was being had it was just the general expectation in that age range so think of someone in their 40s
01:25:45
Sammy Joethe generation that they grew up in they saw their parents the mother was the Homemaker and the father was the provider so in that generation that expectation again is that the Woman
01:25:57
Sammy JoeCooks cleans takes care of the children Etc someone who's currently in their 20s sees this Dynamic of both people are equal right because that's how kind of the world is right now whether that's
01:26:10
Sammy Joewhat you agree with or not that's just kind of you know how everybody is nowadays so also someone in their 20s is most more than likely in college living in a dorm room does not have a household
01:26:21
Sammy Joeto upkeep and that's just you know in the grand scheme of it I'm not saying everybody in their 20s doesn't have a house so if you're thinking about it in that sense someone who is in their 40s
01:26:32
Sammy Joegenerationally would expect the person that they're dating regardless of age to uphold house someone in their 20s who is in college partying every weekend is not thinking about whether their laundry is
01:26:45
Andrew Wilsongetting done they're thinking about [ __ ] yeah but I don't understand why that wouldn't be true regardless of the age so the that's that hang on hang on let me ask
01:26:58
Andrew Wilsonthe question like I can't can I at least ask the question so I I don't actually understand why that would that would have anything to do with the age Gap so
01:27:09
Andrew Wilsonyou're saying and let me make sure I steal man this so I get it right you're saying that women in their 20s are often party girls and so men who approach party girls in their 20s don't have that
01:27:21
Andrew Wilsonexpectation is that basically what you're saying talk about am I getting this way off no you're Inc okay then what are you saying re rephrase it in a way that maybe I'll understand it better
01:27:31
Sammy JoeI don't know I'm talking about the men in the scenario a man in their 40s gener generationally is going to expect a
01:27:41
Sammy Joewoman to upkeep a house because that's what in their at their age probably they have a house to maintain and they have they're at the point in their life AA
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TTS / donation readerbullet donated $200 I am a 37 years old male dated a woman for 3 years she was 38 in 3 years I was the only one cooking SL cleaning
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TTS / donation readerdishes laundry last week I kicked her out for failing to meet expectations Andrew is right I'm literally saying the same thing yeah but I I are you saying the same thing I want to make sure that
01:28:15
Sammy Joewe that I do understand exactly what you're saying here AO bullet is 37 years old one year of a gap axo bullet is 37 years old he said that he kicked his significant other out of the house
01:28:27
Sammy Joebecause she was not cooking cleaning and doing the laundry regardless of her age cuz they were living together right and and this the part that I don't get so my
01:28:37
Sammy Joething is is someone in their 20s is not is more than likely not prioritizing keeping up a household right in their 20s they're probably in
01:28:50
Sammy Joecollege they probably live in a dorm room and they're out partying not living together well then your comparison is not analogous but we were never talking about that we were just talking about
01:29:02
Andrew Wilsontalking this is the problem right this is a n conversation cuz I don't think conversation that you're making a really bad comparison if you're in your 40s you're probably looking for somebody to dat and live in the house with you not
01:29:15
Andrew Wilsonsure if you're in your 20s you're not looking for that you're just filibustering right let us finish our uh conversation here relax let us finish our convers ation so uh yeah I mean you
01:29:26
Andrew Wilsoncan mock but I mean she was nice enough to let you finish so anyway back to this the reason that this is not analogous is because if I bake into a hypothetical the same thing oh these two 40-year-old
01:29:38
Andrew Wilsonpeople don't have a house and aren't living together I think the expectation wildly different again so I don't I don't understand how you're making the comparison of okay well these people are living in a dorm so therefore the expectation is different well of course
01:29:51
Andrew Wilsonit's different right but if he was living in a dorm at 35 it would be different too no one lives in a at in college at 35 okay okay well but do you
01:30:02
Andrew Wilsonunderstand the point of the logic you're wrong so the only only reason listen it wouldn't matter if it's impossible for 35-year-old to live in a dorm the logic is if they did the expectation would be
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Sammy Joedifferent the only reason I'm saying that the conversation is now null is because you're initial statement was is that a male in his 40s and a male in his 20s the only thing that they respect from a woman is to [ __ ] and I'm saying
01:30:27
Andrew Wilsonno that's not what I said yes that is 100% what you said no no it's not what I said I said that their expect I said that their expectations are going to be similar when it comes to the selection
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TTS / donation readerof hotness that's what I said is it not that the only thing they want to do is have sex that's not what I said Lone Star donated $200 Andrew is talking about the
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TTS / donation readerframework in the selection for a relationship panel is hung up on the change in preferences over time it is a bit of a sophist waste to say but things change hey lonar thank you man
01:31:01
Brian Atlasappreciate it really quick so we were going around the table on what's your age and what's the oldest guy you would date we got to you we got interrupted why we have you answer the I think you
01:31:14
Elsaanswered the question correct you didn't answer go ahead I've only dated my age but I think the oldest I would go is seven years older than me okay and so
01:31:26
Panel guests (mixed)you're 32 so that would be 39 okay what about you uh I would say
01:31:32
Panel guests (mixed)24 so you're 18 Max 24 what about you um I'm 23 I guess the oldest I would go is anything below 30 okay cuz you did say
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TTS / donation readeryou are against age Gap relationship I am I I am I'll get into that in just a moment John's unorth donated $200
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Brian Atlasline more like out of line boom nailed it yo John thank you for the TTS appreciate it thank you thank you uh so you're against uh actually let me just
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Brian Atlasget everyone's answers go ahead uh 23 my Max is from 5 to 7even years 19 I would say Max like 10 years okay so you said sorry you said 23 Max would be what um I
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Panel guests (mixed)guess 29 29 28 okay and you said you're against age Gap relationships why um I just just I see a lot of people that date like you know 20year olds dating
01:32:27
Panel guests (mixed)40y olds 20y olds dating you know 40 and above and I don't know that just that's like my dad's age so that kind of gives me a very creepy Vibe a very ick Vibe
01:32:37
Panel guests (mixed)why is it creepy just because I think like like let's say if my dad ever divorced my mom and he ended up dating someone younger like I I just it would
01:32:47
Panel guests (mixed)make me very uncomfortable so I just think it's a very I don't I even know how to explain that it's it's um like oh now you're dating my friend sorry now you're dating my friend like we went to
01:33:01
Panel guests (mixed)high school together and you're dating her but you had that's a great example that would yeah does it fall into like religion what well well it could yeah in what terms how would that do you mean
01:33:12
Panel guests (mixed)I'm not sure how that makes follows at all but okay well I mean like you know if an if you think about it like an older man they have more experience and
01:33:24
Panel guests (mixed)like if you are more like in the religion wise would don't you want someone to be in the same field or no I think just because you're older that
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Panel guests (mixed)doesn't make you more experienced or smarter or anything that um like that okay okay
01:33:42
Brian Atlasthat uh so I'm just I've really not really heard any compelling arguments as to why it's wrong or creepy cuz I don't think anyone said that M she literally
01:33:54
Brian Atlassaid it's creepy it does creep me out and then actually you co-signed when you said well what if we like she could have also at the time I was in high school she could have also been in high school even though we're talking about a I
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Panel guests (mixed)didn't say it was creepy I just said that that's a little bit weird like okay weird creepy well no no cuz you could do that because there's a lot of people that are like oh I want to date older man so I can't be mad at you for wanting
01:34:17
Brian Atlasto date a 40-year-old guy just why is it my dad like you feel me okay that's another conversation exactly that's a different conversation that's why that's what I was saying let's hear a bit more from you on this go
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Panel guests (mixed)ahead um yeah I guess I just I personally mean I'm not comfortable with that I would like someone within my own age range somebody that um I guess I
01:34:37
Panel guests (mixed)could relate to a little more and I don't know it's just my preference you youd want someone you can relate to well no that doesn't I guess I could relate
01:34:48
Panel guests (mixed)to somebody a little bit older but I don't think just because I don't know I personally would be pretty creeped out I I don't think my family my parents would be okay with that as well and that's
01:35:01
Panel guests (mixed)very important to me would you date Ryan Reynolds no I would not I don't care if he's America's sweetheart or whatever 47 no why do you keep bringing him up you like R like a lot of
01:35:13
Brian Atlasgirl I think a lot of girls think that he's got a good personality funny Charming successful uh in good shape
01:35:21
Brian Atlasstatus celebrity aist movie star I don't know I think a lot of Henry Henry caval Caville or whatever the [ __ ]
01:35:31
Sammy Joehe's also kind of Superman Superman yeah so okay it's creepy it's weird okay I mean it goes back to being subjective right everyone has their personal preferences everyone has their thing
01:35:43
Brian Atlastheir Kinks their whatever so it's like if it's for you it's for you if it's not there's there's a couple angles here so there's there's of course how women feel about it
01:35:54
Brian Atlasand then there's different criticisms there's like well it's weird but then there's also well older men should date women their own age that's another argument I sometimes hear I've yet to
01:36:05
Brian Atlasactually hear a compelling argument in term of in terms of the benefits to the man why he should date a 35-year-old woman over a 25-year-old woman who's almost surely going to be more
01:36:17
Panel guests (mixed)physically attractive or cuz is it just about attraction I mean okay well I have nothing to say that's why you date people because you're attracted to them I've dated an ugly person but they were good you're attracted to them in some
01:36:29
Panel guests (mixed)capacity yeah so you could be attracted to a 35-year-old woman because she she's nice she does everything that you ever expected a woman to do for you she okay so she's hot still and she's 35 so sure
01:36:42
Brian Atlasyes you can still be attractive at 35 that's not the argument I'm making what I'm making is is that I've yet to hear an actual compelling argument in terms of the actual tangible articulable
01:36:54
Elsabenefits to the man for dating a 35-year-old Woman versus a 25y old woman I don't think there is a benefit I mean if you put them side by side if you put a 25-year old woman and a 35-year old
01:37:06
Elsawoman and they have the exact same characteristics mature not take mature off cu no one cares about that apparently but beautiful kind passionate about something like actually has a purpose in her life other than him if
01:37:18
Elsayou put them side by side and he had to choose definitely the 25-year-old why not M but but I think that if you're filtering for that everything else aside that's what I was saying earlier is for
01:37:30
Elsawhat like if you're if you don't even if we're just typ talking hypothetically like I just want a 20-year-old but but I mean if you see a hot 30-year-old like are you going to say sorry no CU you're actually 30 so I'm going to I'm going to
01:37:42
Elsapass on this one if everything else is there but if again if you put them side by side and they're exactly the same that's like saying for a woman if you had two men side by side he's kind he's loyal to you he's funny he continues to
01:37:54
Elsacourt you one's a millionaire one is broke who would you choose it's obvious everyone's going to choose the guy who can take care of her also financially so yeah I don't think anyone's making a compelling argument because it's not
01:38:07
Brian Atlascompelling the 25-year-old is more attractive so I don't think these men that would be inclined to date a 20-year-old women and they're in their 30s or whatever I don't think they would necessarily be opposed to dating a an
01:38:18
Brian Atlasattractive woman who met their standards who's uh 30 for example I think we're more talking about the general uh a more General point of view
01:38:29
Brian Atlashere where men have a tendency to also find women who are in their early 20s attractive and might prefer them uh over in terms of finding them physically
01:38:42
Panel guests (mixed)attractive over women in their 30s which is fair cuz they're at their Peak but also I think it's a little bit easier to shape a woman that hasn't been through as much as a 35-year-old woman like if
01:38:54
Panel guests (mixed)you're yeah so she's got a bunch of you're talking about baggage yeah yeah you can say oh I don't like this and I want you to do it this way and depending on how you treat her she'll do it differently in in comparison to a 35
01:39:06
Panel guests (mixed)woman who's been with a man that's like that and it didn't work out for her does that make sense does that make sense like a girl who hasn't been through that is easier to shape than a woman that's
01:39:18
Panel guests (mixed)already been through this so like a woman who's submissive essentially younger women are capable of being submissive not necessarily because there are a lot of Independent strong-headed
01:39:28
Panel guests (mixed)Women but but there is a bigger possibility that you could get a woman that you could make do what you want to do at a younger age than if they were older and mature and they've already
01:39:41
Panel guests (mixed)been through a situation like that just like how you would count it with bodies you say oh that kind of bring that kind of brings down MADD could you read it
01:39:51
Panel guests (mixed)dating coach my r at 35 all the women in my dating pool were broken as blank I dated younger because their value not just looks you ninny was much higher
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Elsaless baggage not is broken so is is he saying that the 20-year-olds were had more money than the 35y olds is that what you they are more
01:40:12
Sammy Joehusters they're not just beautiful but also have less baggage mm less baggage yep think I brought that up same with body so it's funny because in and this is just being devil's advocate here cuz
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Sammy JoeI agree with what you're saying obviously When comparing a 20-year-old and a 30-year-old especially if they're looking for children and a family and Longevity they're going to pick the 20-year-old over the 30-year-old that's simple but it's funny because men look
01:40:39
Sammy Joeat older women as having baggage and more to them but women look at older men as have
01:40:48
Sammy Joebeing had more experiences so it's like what men look for in women is completely different than what women look for in men so like when a woman is looking for an older man she's looking for something
01:40:59
Sammy Joesomeone that has experience someone that has or is able to provide security and safety for them whereas a man is looking for different things so it's just clear that we look for different qualities in
01:41:11
Brian Atlasthe opposite SE I think part of that has to do like when men go through difficult things in life whether it be relationship wise or they go through some trials tribulations it tends to
01:41:22
Brian Atlasmake them more masculine they become stronger they become tougher when women become stronger and tougher and they've been through more things they become more masculine too so when you go
01:41:34
Brian Atlasthrough more like potentially uh traumatic things you you become well I mean it can break people too but you become stronger more masculine whatever
01:41:46
Andrew Wilsonso but women seem to be more prone to internalize trauma long term than men do as well so they hold on to these kind of OB filed events much more than men seem to and so when you're looking at it from
01:41:58
Andrew Wilsonthat aspect I think that that is even the distinction that we would make between the masculine and The Feminine in the case of trauma is that men are able to shrug it off seemingly a bit
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Panel guests (mixed)easier than women are it's true mhm you have thoughts on this I don't know I I don't think that I don't agree with that I think
01:42:17
Panel guests (mixed)men well I don't know I mean I think it's different with each man but I think they just don't show it as much as women either talk about it or show it it still affects them the same also in a
01:42:28
Panel guests (mixed)different generation if we've noticed uh if if I could be completely honest younger men have became more soft than what you would have expected a man to be in a different generation
01:42:44
Sammy Joeyeah yeah because a man 10 years older than Morgan is 28 a man 10 years older than me is 38 so they're they grew up I was say in completely different generations and they're going to act completely different so that's it's
01:42:57
Sammy Joesuper interesting to get your point of view because a a man 10 years older than me that I'm going to go after is going to be completely different than I'm not going after a guy my age because of the way he is and you're essentially going after a guy my age do you get what I'm
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Andrew Wilsonsaying so it's just like I I got a question I don't I don't actually think that men in your age group even at 18 internalize trauma the same way that women do they don't seem to be on the same amount of anti-depressants even at
01:43:21
Andrew Wilsonyour age they don't seem to have the same amount of of cope when it comes to trauma even at 18 1920 that's not what uh what the data is bearing out right they don't seem to internalize
01:43:33
Sammy Joetrauma even in the same way I definitely do think that men and women handle it differently but I also think generationally it's handled slightly different as well very minimal but I
01:43:43
Sammy Joewould say I'm a I'm 100% agreeing with you that women internalize it differently than men but I also think that men nowadays are more
01:43:53
Andrew Wilsonemotional than men well do you think that they're um they're more emotional or do you think or do you think they want to be more emotional or do you think that they're told that kind of this feminized expectation of no it is
01:44:06
Andrew Wilsonokay to share your emotions which is always a bad idea for men to do um don't you think that that's a kind of um a feminized Outlook where kind of feminists are pushing that men get more
01:44:18
Sammy Joein touch with their feminist side even though they themselves seem to hate when they actually do mhm cuz if you think about it like think of like my father and my grandfather it's like a boy cries
01:44:29
Sammy Joeand it's like toughen up but nowadays it's like they get upset and it's like no honey it's okay to cry so it's again that's generational like now you thoughts on this go ahead um I just
01:44:41
Panel guests (mixed)think that I don't think men are I mean obviously like a man crying they're like oh that's like some men are going to be like that's like you're a child like you're acting like a child but or
01:44:51
Panel guests (mixed)whatever I don't think think that is a bad thing like I don't think that's a bad thing to show your emotions I think that shows that you're emotionally available oh yeah sure so when the
01:45:03
Panel guests (mixed)firefighter shows up to put out the fire you want him to cry or you want after he's done saving everyone yeah if he if he yeah if he's crying cuz somebody got hurt and he couldn't save them that's different than if he's just crying cuz
01:45:15
Andrew Wilsonit's fire right but you're talking about emotional stability versus not the reason that men are told not to and the reason that they're told not to share their feelings and make themselves
01:45:26
Andrew Wilsonoverly emotionally available to women especially by other men is because they have to act under conditions which are highly stressful and highly emotional and they need to be able to control that whereas women generally do not women
01:45:39
Andrew Wilsonaren't the ones who are going to run in the building and pull men out even if they see a baby who's on fire and if they no don't look at me skeptically they're not there's no women firefighters are going to pull out 250
01:45:49
Andrew Wilsonlb men it's not going to happen ever it doesn't almost anywhere are being bizarre rare fluk but anyway so so this aside yeah they're they're told to
01:46:02
Andrew Wilsoncontrol their emotions because of that because if they're in a situation which is highly stressful they can't collapse under that weight yeah I think there's situations where you shouldn't be you can control your emotions but that
01:46:14
Andrew Wilsondoesn't mean that they can't express their emotions in other situations yeah perhaps they can right but the more that you train a person to to become too emotionally expressive to break down
01:46:26
Andrew Wilsontheir kind of stoic frame if you will the more likely that there are to do that even under situations which are highly stressful so if you're a person who controls your emotions in and outside of stressful situations less
01:46:38
TTS / donation readerprone to act on them the only reason a man should cry is if there is smoke in his eyes women have feminized men and now hate the men they have created do better the patriarchy is here to help
01:46:50
Andrew Wilsonrepent your feminist ways he's a Brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer yo thank you're a good one appreciate it wait so you guys so just uh just to finish it off just very quickly what I was saying
01:47:01
Andrew Wilsonum is that the more that you break your frame let's just call it a stoic frame that's not really accurate but I think it's accurate enough the more that you break that the more prone you will be to break that even under highly stressful
01:47:14
Andrew Wilsonsituation do you understand what I'm saying mhm yeah yeah
01:47:21
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01:47:44
Brian Atlasappreciate it guys thank you thank you thank you RC appreciate it wait so okay do you guys think that it's good for mat do you want a guy to be vulnerable I hate that word vulnerable I don't I
01:47:56
Sammy Joedon't like that there's a difference between emotional emotional stability and emotional maturity right so you want someone to be emotionally stable because that means
01:48:07
Sammy Joethat they're able to handle their emotions in certain situations but emotional maturity is understanding what situation you can be and should be
01:48:18
Sammy Joeemotional in so there's a difference between the two so it's I would
01:48:25
Sammy Joeemure because they know when and how topr it if needed but I also think it's important for someone to be emotionally stable because then they know how to control
01:48:36
Panel guests (mixed)their emotions okay so you were maybe touching on this with the you want a guy to be vulnerable or um I mean yeah I don't want him to be like every day
01:48:48
Brian Atlascrying having a mental breakdown but yes be vulnerable yeah m I agree with that see I don't think like this whole idea of men should be open with their
01:48:57
Brian Atlasemotions or whatever men should be vulnerable I actually think it's you say that but it's not true you lose attraction to a guy if he's vulnerable I
01:49:09
Panel guests (mixed)just think we mean it in different ways it's only gotten bad because men like we we say that it's okay to be vulnerable but then they just don't know how to control their emotions that's exactly well it's not even that you just don't
01:49:19
Panel guests (mixed)want you're not attracted to weak men why are you we it depends how you handle your emotions going to call you weak let's let's kind of test this I think we
01:49:29
Andrew Wilsoncan maybe test this and see if this is true or not so uh you said um I'm sorry the the guy with the red hair I'm terrible with names I didn't catch your
01:49:38
Andrew Wilsonis what' you say your name was Sammy okay Tammy Sammy when Sam Sammy sorry uh so when you say emotional maturity when it's okay when it's not okay for men to express
01:49:50
Sammy Joeemotions what situations do you think men should express emotions I would say if it's a you know a conversation between a couple talking
01:49:59
Sammy Joeabout you know relationship boundaries or you know feelings within the relationship yeah that is you know I would want you to express your emotions
01:50:12
Sammy Joeabout how you feel about me or if there's a concern or something like that but if you're just going to cry because something went wrong that's out of your control out of my control
01:50:23
Andrew Wilsonthen so it sounds like you still want a stoic frame oh and that's what I'm saying yeah I want you to tell me how you em but I don't want you to actually Express the emotion behind how you feel no that's not I'm saying not in front of
01:50:36
Andrew Wilsonpeople really so so you would prefer if your man came over to you and said listen what you just did made me really angry versus going over to you and going I am so [ __ ] pissed one would you
01:50:46
TTS / donation readerprefer absolutely donated $200 I wonder if your mother and father would have been together if your fathers were as feminized as they are trying to
01:50:55
TTS / donation readermake them today if you know how your parents met can you share that story please so it's actually really funny that the person says that because my family Dynamic was very different hold
01:51:07
Brian Atlason hold on hold on we're in the middle of a conversation Killa of cereal I'll ask it later if you really want to know how grid One Motorsports
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TTS / donation readerdonated $200 I thought about crying once then I rubbed some dirt on it realized I was not a Poopsy and drove the foo con if your man cries make sure to share your
01:51:30
Sammy JoeCeX with him so okay look when it comes to this whole idea so back to the expression of the emotion how which way would you prefer that he expressed that I would rather him come up to me and be like hey
01:51:43
Andrew Wilsonwhat you did just made me angry that's not really expressing the emotion that's suppressing the emotion do you see the the difference that's a hang on hang on that is a suppression of the emotion not
01:51:54
Andrew Wilsonan expression of it if he expressed it then he would be actually angry and show you how angry he was that would be an expression what you're actually talking about is a stoic expression of emotion
01:52:06
Sammy Joewhat you're talking about is emotional stability if someone has to lash out because they're angry that's because they don't have control of their emotions but if they're mature they have
01:52:17
Andrew Wilsonthe ability to talk about it right so their expression of their emotion to to you has to be done without the emotion that's what I'm saying but you're agreeing with me but trying to debate with me no no no you're wrong you're
01:52:30
Andrew Wilsonjust flat out wrong when you say emotional maturity right what you're actually doing is agreeing with me when I say A stoic frame you you actually don't want men to express their emotions you want them to you want them to
01:52:42
Sammy Joeexpress that they have them but not actually Express them but you're also only talking about the emotion of anger right I think you're not talking about any other
01:52:54
Andrew Wilsonif your man comes to you and says listen honey right what you did uh you embarrassed me in front of some guy right that that really hurt my feelings right and I would prefer if you didn't do that in the future because that's
01:53:06
Andrew Wilsonwhat it did right as opposed to when you hurt his feelings he started acting like he was you know uh flustered and flabbergasted and he was super upset and this type of thing stuff that we would