150 Body Count At 18?! Yung Gravy Side Piece?! Cheater?! Hater CONFRONTS Brian?! | Dating Talk #248

Date: 2025-06-23

Duration: 8h 39m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAudrey (DT248)>

KKatarina Hammond >

JJordan (Adoption)>

DDavid Patrick Harry >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Shula(guest)

SPEAKER_02Katarina Hammond(guest)

SPEAKER_03Chloe Yummy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lucy Lotus(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lindsay Lee(guest)

SPEAKER_08David Patrick Harry(guest)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Audrey (DT248)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anastasia(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jordan (Adoption)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

Key MomentChloe: was side piece for rapper Yung Gravy

Key MomentLucy Lotus: ~150 body count by age 18/19. Sex addict. Discovered porn at 8.

ControversyLindsay vs David Patrick Harry: femicide and male accountability heated debate

Key MomentShula performs feminist costume change (woke cosplay)

Key MomentBody count reveals: Lucy ~500, Lindsay 300+

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Shula (Jewish Orthodox), Lucy Lotus (150 BC at 18), David (PhD Religious Studies).

Lucy 150 Body Count at 18

Self-identified sex addict. Discovered porn at 8. Lost virginity at 12.

Religion and Pair Bonding

David leads discussion from religious perspective.

Femicide and DV Debate

Lindsay vs David on male accountability for violence against women.

Shula Feminist Costume Change

Woke cosplay character, costume change mid-episode.

Body Count Reveals

Lucy ~500 total. Lindsay 300+. Chloe says 5 (previously 3).

Transgender Debate

Audrey: man dating trans woman is straight. David disagrees.

Transcript

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Brian Atlascleft lip or whatever. And there's also, you know, there are some there are some look, if somebody's disfigured either genetically or my wording is terrible. Uh, if somebody,

Brian Atlasyou know, there there was an accident, a terrible train accident. And, you know, I think we can, you know, that plastic surgery that is kind of corrective, you

Brian Atlasknow, but fake titties got to go. BBL got to go. I don't have a [ __ ] But you're doing this like thing. You have hip augmentation.

Chloe YummyYou have hip augmentation. I'm too skinny. That's just her body. She's got It doesn't matter body like that. No, I She's got hip augmentation.

Chloe YummyNo, she does not. I'm too I have to do I can't because I'm too skinny. She just has a nice body. I don't have fat to like move into my hips. I heard of it.

Audrey (DT248)Yeah, I would love to have a BBL, but I literally can't. I'm I've never seen a BBL that looked like that as a BBL. What

Chloe Yummyis your hatred for like plastic surgery? I also You're being so flattered that you think that every show. Every show.

Chloe YummyYeah, he thinks I have a BBL every single time. A BBL? I mean, I would say your boobs were done before you had a BBL. My boobs are done. I've said that multiple times, but I don't have a BBL. Okay.

Brian AtlasAll right. But see, I think like I've asked this question before and girls will like do this word game where it's like, "Well, I don't exactly have that." Like I'll say, "Oh, you have breast

Brian Atlasimplants." And they'll say, "No, I don't have fake boobs, but they got fat transfer." And they'll do this like technicality. Technically, it's not. It's not. I don't know. But so you have something where

Brian Atlasit's either hip you got the hip augmentation [ __ ] No. And no. All right. Whatever, bro. But what's your problem with people improving their bodies? Like what's my problem? Yeah. Like Yeah. What's like what's what's

Brian Atlasyour problem with not having a problem with it? Like if someone wants to look debated someone wants to look better and what's that? If someone wants to look

Brian Atlasbetter and No. I mean, what's the problem with my water? Look, there's a couple problems. There's a couple problems. One, you've got these uh you've got the entire cosmetics

Brian Atlasindustry. You've got the entire beauty industry. You've got the plastic surgery industry. You've got the cosmetic surgery industry. They are predators.

Brian AtlasThey are preying on women's insecurity. We all know that beauty is this very, very important thing. Everybody wants to be beautiful and especially in society

Brian Atlasin 2025, everybody, you know, everybody wants to be beautiful and good-looking and all this stuff, people are very superficial. They're very materialistic. Everybody wants the perfect body, the

Brian Atlasperfect face, all that [ __ ] And I'm telling you, I'm telling you, they're praying on women and men's insecurity. They're praying on it. They're profiting off of it. You guys are so but you guys

Lucy Lotusare going to defend it because you are in a prison for your mind. Oh my god. You are so girl who goes and gets it done. Like every guy will be like, "No, you don't need to do that. You don't need to do that." And then they go get

Brian Atlasit done and the guys are like way more into them every single time. Your deception is effective. Don't get me wrong. The deception is every time a girl gets enhancements, it's that way. I

Brian Atlaswould rather live in a society where people I think look you shouldn't just be you know you should take good care of yourself and take good care of your health and you can work on your

Brian Atlasappearance within the metrics and paradigms that don't involve cutting your body open and and painting your

Audrey (DT248)face with a pound of makeup and this get what about your sir you had a beard and no beard you I think the beard gives at least two points at least. And I don't think you're an unattractive man without

Audrey (DT248)the beard, but I'm saying a beard. He's trying to smash right now. Yeah, he's into the BBWs. Um, but he I feel like this makeup thing is very crazy like because I I'm not afraid to

Audrey (DT248)not have makeup on, right? But also I do it for my own self. Like I love it. I every day I get going from the mirror and it's the hour I spend on it is the hour I spend on it is the best time of

Audrey (DT248)my day. Do you have a tongue piercing? Can you Let's not. Okay. I'm 23 years old and I'm going to take it out when I'm I'm married. Yes, I have a tongue piercing. Okay. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you there. Well, what what is

Audrey (DT248)the male equivalent to makeup and plastic surgery? That's what I'm saying. A beard. You think you think facial hair is the same? I think you having a beard is absolutely like that's the same as makeup. Wait, but I don't want I don't

Brian Atlaswant to hear the what aboutism. Why don't you contend with my argument? What are you asking? That that you guys are just hopelessly dependent on your paint that you guys are you guys at no other

Brian Atlaspoint in human history have women been going undergoing expensive, dangerous, and unnecessary surgical procedures. Every time you go under anesthesia, there's a risk of something. Especially like look, I'm I don't know if there's

Brian Atlasany BBLs at the table. BBL is like a notoriously dangerous procedure. And these women are for for the sake of vanity, for the pursuit of beauty. A lot of them, it's it's not good for your

Brian Atlasbody. Anytime you go under anesthesia, it's not good. It's never good. There's women who die from these these things or they face various complications. I know it's not the case. Uh to be charitable,

Brian AtlasI know most people probably have like breast implants and there's minor or no complications, but there's enough where I'm like, that's that's crazy. And then you get you grow [ __ ] don't you grow

Brian Atlasmold on that [ __ ] I've heard some crazy stories. The breast implants they get they leak leaking titties. The titties are leaking, bro. The titties are leaking. The plastic is leaking now. I'm

Lucy Lotusjust saying why can't you got an A cup? Rock that [ __ ] Do some squats. And that's another Yeah. Okay. When it comes to makeup, I feel like makeup has made a huge shift. Like girls are actually going more natural. If anything, I feel

Lucy Lotuslike there's more natural brands out now. Like that. It's like barely anything like the liquid blush and the liquid whatever you girls and you know I'm going to make an environmental

Brian Atlasargument. You guys are getting your there there's probably hundreds if not thousands of these massive transport ships coming from [ __ ] China and

Brian AtlasIndia and all these [ __ ] countries and they're crossing the Pacific or whatever [ __ ] route they take and they're crossing. They're dumping that bunker fuel, son. dumping the bunker fuel. You know how [ __ ] bad bunker fuel is? Do you even know what bunker

Brian Atlasfuel is? You know what bunker fuel? Bunker fuel terrible. One of the worst. Very bad. Bunker fuel very bad. Trust me. They're dumping this [ __ ] and the these these these shipping

Brian Atlasboats. Oh my god. Ship. They're all just full of your of your Sephora [ __ ] and your [ __ ] whatever your [ __ ] fake nails. They're just you know those big giant shipping containers. They're just

Brian Atlasfull of claws. The nail claws. They're full of fake lashes. Fake L. They're transport. Imagine that [ __ ] bro. Imagine that [ __ ] We used to transport [ __ ] tea and [ __ ] and spices. Now

Brian Atlasthey're transporting. Now they're [ __ ] transporting [ __ ] fake lashes and hair extensions from [ __ ] China. These poor little Chinese infants, [ __ ] three years old. They're in the

Brian Atlasmines. They're in the mines mining the [ __ ] They're mining. They're mining. I'm telling you, they're mining uh the what's it called? They're mining the the ingredients in your makeup, son. And

Brian Atlasthey're shipping that. They're dumping bunker fuel. Bunker fuel. So, aren't you, you know, burning bunker fuel? You know about bunker fuel? Let me tell you about bunker fuel. I don't want to know about bunker fuel, right? You don't even

Audrey (DT248)know. You don't even know the cost. I don't of my makeup of your makeup. It's ruining every the ruining the [ __ ] dolphins and [ __ ] You're killing dolphins every time you

Brian Atlasput on some blush. My wing eyeliner is killing the dolphins. Every time you put on a little mascara, a little baby kitten. A little baby kitten in in in China is like, "Oh, the [ __ ]

Audrey (DT248)Do you have an iPhone?" See, that's what I'm saying. You're wearing What about the clothes you're wearing? That's imported by Bunker Fuel, right? That's why I'm not environmentalist. Exact. Well, you sound like one. Do you date women that don't wear fake nails or

Brian Atlaseyelashes or anything? They're a strong preference. Do you like date like Amish girls? Hell yeah. Sign me up, bro. I'm sending

Brian AtlasI feel like it goes back again to like why why are the women wearing makeup because society has presented to you from before you could even understand anything from when you were little

Brian Atlas[ __ ] infants and children. They've been presenting to you a disnified image on every single piece of media that you've consumed before you can even

Lindsay Leeunderstand what the word media is. For corporations probably I don't know. No, but how are they so much? Yes.

Lindsay LeeThat's why that's why the women had those. So women wear makeup for men because I've hear I hear women don't wear makeup for men. Now, but I'm saying I mean it all started, you know, first we had the

Lindsay Leecorsets squeezing our organs together to look smaller. Women do their [ __ ] for them. Women will do the If it was an all female society, we would not be with each other. If it was up to most men,

Brian Atlasyou ask most men, we don't like all the the caked on makeup. We don't care. Most men don't care about your stupid nails. Most men don't care about the lashes. They don't care about your hair extensions. But when you go online and you see the girls who end up going barefaced on TikTok or show their acne

Lindsay Leeor whatever, you'll see the comments, "Oh, make a bun." It's always because women never win. I'll explain it like this. There's no winning. I agree. These

Brian Atlassports leagues or whatever sporting you're into, if they allow steroids, all of the athletes now have a new metric by which they have to be at. So if you have

Brian Atlasall the athletes in a given field, if they're taking steroids, all the other athletes are going to take steroids, too. If magically all women stopped doing plastic surgery, stopped wearing makeup, it would just lower the bar. It

Audrey (DT248)would completely lower it. So, you're putting makeup as like this thing that's like controlling all the like why can't makeup just be a fun thing? Like for me, I don't most of the time I don't wear makeup. I enjoy it for myself. Can I ask you a question? You can ask me a

Brian Atlasquestion. You say it's fun. If you go out, if you go out, do you feel less comfortable if you're not wearing any makeup? It depends on where I am. So, if I'm like going to the grocery store, I

Audrey (DT248)don't care what I look like. If I'm going in a place where my a lot of my friends, peers, like I am, this is it's not about this is the way I present myself. I'm very glittery and sparkly and my makeup's always crazy. It's cuz that's the way I like to look. But I

Audrey (DT248)don't feel uncomfortable. Like, whenever you pull out the little makeup wipes, like if you I would I wouldn't care. You know what I mean? because I am comfortable as my natural self. But I think your judgment on makeup is this broad judgment about the what what what

Audrey (DT248)am I doing? What am I ruining? Bunker fuel. The bunker fuel bunker. That's very like that's my this is my job. I do this as a I I'm do makeup as a job. I it's something I enjoy. It's my not everyday life. Like my room is filled

Audrey (DT248)with it. Like it's something that brings me joy. Just like a nerd who likes a book. Like I don't judge that. So why do you judge just because my makeup it it is a bigger thing, right? how makeup is this thing that it's like covering these insecurities and yeah, it is parallel to

Brian Atlasthat, but it also is parallel to the thing. It's something that someone enjoys and we should understand that as well. Yeah, I recognize that women will put on makeup for the I suppose I mean I wouldn't understand it personally, but I

Brian Atlascan I'll take their word for it that they enjoy perhaps the creative process of doing it. But uh so I see that's I can say that about your bunker fuel.

Lindsay LeeNo, I go out makeup a lot because I'm comfortable without, but it, you know, it took like two rounds of Accutane to get where I am. However, like again, we wouldn't make as much money if we go

Lindsay Leebarefaced, right? Because the men are not attracted to the women who are all natural. I agree with that. I hate doing my makeup, but I definitely feel comfortable in makeup. Like, I'll wear

Brian Atlasthat [ __ ] every day. I don't dispute that makeup makes women uh can make them more attractive. But uh I mean as far as what I Okay, so from the dating lens, what I have

Brian Atlasagainst it, I have I have an issue with it more like on a societal level, but on an indivi individualistic level, there's a dating component to it. So the dating component is you're

Brian Atlasmisrepresenting how you actually look. So you are augmenting your physical appearance. That's not how attractive you actually are. I understand that in a

Audrey (DT248)way, but I feel like if you're like if we're going on a date and I send you only photos of that and they don't know exactly what I look like, then that's one thing. But I mean, if I they see me in both ways, like why is that a problem that when I have makeup on, obviously

Audrey (DT248)I'm going to look different. I don't have a freaking wing eyeliner and sparkles on my eye. I do this to look different, but I'm also okay with the way I look without it. And I feel like you should be okay with us being okay with having it on. Like, I don't know why it has to be an argument. Like

Audrey (DT248)makeup doesn't have to be an argument because it just doesn't. I feel look at him like calculating in his brain and he's like, "Oh, no." There's so many things in the world to like be upset about. And like a girl wearing makeup, it's like if we're faking it, he never

Audrey (DT248)saw what she looked like without makeup. She goes to sleep with makeup, she wakes up and does it before, like that's crazy. But if she's just wearing it to dinner and going on a date, and that's okay. And talking about the bunker fuel

Brian Atlaswhen literally all the birds. Wait, can you move move your microphone over this way a little bit? But yeah, I mean, look, the the thing is though, again, from the dating perspective, I think it

Brian Atlasmanipulates at this instinctual subconscious level. So even if the guy knows that she's wearing makeup, it still is going to have the intended

Brian Atlaseffect of him assessing her as more attractive than she actually or otherwise is. And even if we know you're ma wearing makeup and if we're experts on makeup and we know that you're

Brian Atlaswearing foundation and blush and mascara and eyeliner and whatever it is, it still has this subconscious manipulation. And and the the other component is is that let's say it's our

Brian Atlasfirst time seeing you and we don't know what you look like without makeup. Even if we acknowledge you're wearing makeup and we know that you might not look like that, we don't necessarily know,

Brian Atlasespecially if you're wearing like a little ey line, well, even just eyeliner and mascara can do a lot of heavy lifting for a woman. But if we're talking foundation where you're putting it the whole face essentially is is in

Brian Atlasmakeup, we don't know the extent of the difference. So she could be one point down or she could be four points down. And I still don't know understand your

Audrey (DT248)argument. You're saying four point but he does know if she's four points or five points like she's if he's dating her like like I don't really understand what you're trying to argue like what's the problem? I'm just confused to be

Brian Atlashonest. Like well well I mean if he's dating her and then she's But let me ask you this. Um, what if men lied about their career and then they baited a

Brian Atlaswoman into a relationship and now she's invested and then now 3 months after she's already [ __ ] him and she's invested in the relationship, there is a re he reveals BTW. I'm actually not an

Katarina Hammondattorney. I work at McDonald's. But now you you're already we're already here. Can I make a comment on that real quick? Yeah. Well, I'm going to forget what I'm going to say, but yeah. Sorry. This one's really quick. um that actually affects people's relationships whereas

Audrey (DT248)makeup doesn't affect the relationship at all. Okay, so that's what I'm saying. So you're saying makeup. Okay, wait, hang on. So the man lies about the job, says he's an attorney, and then he works at McDonald's. Okay, that affects our

Audrey (DT248)day-to-day life. That affects if I can marry this man cuz I'm not a person like I don't care. We just need to make make enough that we can be living in California and all that stuff. I'm not I don't need to date someone who makes 500,000 a year. But the makeup thing,

Audrey (DT248)you meet me the first day, by the week, you should know what I look like without makeup or not. Like, necessarily. That's what I'm saying. So, why are we even if you shouldn't be dating someone that isn't gonna like show you their true self? Like, you should they should send you a photo or something in the beginning. Like, why are you going to

Audrey (DT248)keep talking to someone if they haven't shown like that's kind of weird to not send a photo how you look? You get what I'm saying? Like, the job thing and that is so separate. Like, but also, aren't we dating because we like the personality? So, if you're looking for

Audrey (DT248)somebody just because they're attractive or not, you don't really look for the personality. Like I I really will date anyone. I I tell my friends this like I don't care if you're a lip miss and an arm, if you're whatever. I don't care

Audrey (DT248)whatever you That's genuine. I'm not kidding. As long as I don't have to take care of you because I take care of my mom and that that's just that might sound rude, but I've done that my entire life. Be a caregiver. So, that's the only thing. I won't be a caregiver for my partner. But I don't care what you physically look like. Like I mean as a

Audrey (DT248)fat person I don't think I should judge other people but also like why is it such a big deal? I care about what's in here, how they treat me, how they treat others. Can I change the hypothetical? So let's do let's do a hypothetical where a woman has her face totally

David Patrick Harryreconstructed. So maybe she was upset because she had a nose that was really big. Comes from a different culture where that's very common. She gets her lips, her cheekbones, her nose done. Man is not aware that her face is totally

David Patrick Harryreconstructed. They have a child and the child takes on all the all the the woman's genetic characteristics and he had no idea. Why? That's gohead. May I say the story? There's actually there's a story of that. That's my point. This

Anastasiais a real hypothetical. I think it's a Chinese couple cuz the lady had the whole like surgery, everything is done and when they had kids, he kind of like I think divorced her and stuff. But that's like even crazy. Okay. I feel like they she should disclose that just

Audrey (DT248)as like her story of date. Like when you're dating someone, you're in this real relationship, you're going to have kisses on someone, they should know everything about you. I don't think that should be a secret. But also to say once I have a child and the child looks has a weird nose and this, you should love their child no matter what it looks

Audrey (DT248)like. And I'm but I'm saying like even then it shouldn't even be a problem. But the conversation was deception. Yeah, that's not okay. Like I think deception in that way is not okay either. When I'm dating someone and cuz I do present myself like this every day, they instantly know what I look like without

Brian Atlasmakeup because I think that's what you should do. I'm not I'm not looking like this all the time, you I think we're moving away like okay so we can get into these scenarios well okay further on into a relationship there will be some degree of disclosure as to what you

Brian Atlasactually look like whether that's you saying hey I've had these surgical procedures or you just take off your makeup or whatever but from the initial get-go like for example my experience when I was on dating apps I'm not

Brian Atlasanymore is very often it would be the case that a woman would not post a singular photo without a filter or without makeup now there are some women who they'll put like one like makeupless

Brian Atlasphoto on. But the majority of the time, and if you look at most women's Instagrams almost universally, there's not a bunch, they're not posting a bunch of like no makeup photos on there. They're wearing full face of makeup and

Brian Atlasno most or all of their photos. The deception happens very early and initially. So, for example, if you're at a club or, you know, whatever the context is that you're meeting, uh,

Brian Atlasyeah, you guys are wearing full faces of makeup and but even on a dating app or whatever the context that you're meeting, I do think there is a degree of deception when it comes to makeup usage and, uh, cosmetics and plastic surgery.

Lindsay LeeI think a majority of women wouldn't want to wear makeup anymore. But just like you were saying, oh well, it takes women to not do plastic surgery. It also takes men to say, "Hey, we're going to accept you without makeup and without

Brian Atlasplastic surgery." We do. They don't. We We literally do. Look, you you do. You're not seeing the men. When men when men are pulled when men are look wearing

Brian Atlasmakeup and getting these procedures does confer I'm not going to deny that it doesn't confer you benefits in terms of attracting men like it just it does right you are going to be appraised as

Brian Atlasmore attractive when you're wearing makeup. Me personally like I prefer women without makeup but like I can get bamboozled too. I get bamboozled. The point I'm trying to make here is is that actually I already lost my thought trans

Jordan (Adoption)thought. So that was great. Wait, I actually have a question. Yeah. So in that kind of I guess aspect of deceiving somebody or something, at what point do you think like somebody should disclose

Jordan (Adoption)something? cuz I guess not cosmetic likely makeup wise or changing my body, but I will say like I don't go like posting or publicly emphasizing that I

Jordan (Adoption)have stretch marks or loose skin from having a child. So, is that something that like as a woman that has had a baby that I should publicize just right off the bat? Because well, one, it is an

Jordan (Adoption)insecurity. like that's a vulnerable piece of me. And of course looking at someone that um you know has an amazing body that I might not ever fully have.

Jordan (Adoption)Um like being scared to just upfront and say that to a guy because how a guy will perceive that and look at it because of how like society has framed how women

Brian Atlasshould look. So like is that something that I should like upfront be very public about? I don't think you would have to like

Brian Atlaspost photos of that. Um I mean it's uh I would also say, you know, you you said you're I mean I didn't I don't know if we really got a

Brian Atlasclear answer on if you're like 100% committed to waiting until marriage. Uh I'd say in your case there's probably other factors uh at play here. Maybe like a bathing suit. I think men are going to if you tell men that you've had

Brian Atlasa child, they're probably going to make some assump assumptions that like you might have some like loose skin around your belly area and maybe you have some stretch marks. Uh if men know about, you

Brian Atlasknow, what happens when women have pregnancy and give birth or whatever, but uh I mean I'm my my conversation is

Brian Atlasspecifically about makeup and plastic surgery. I think it my position is fairly you can make some arguments when it comes to makeup. My argument is far stronger though as it relates to plastic

Chloe Yummysurgery. Uh can I say something about plastic surgery? What's up? Um specifically about my boobs. I had a really weird thing happen to me

Chloe Yummyyesterday. Um I like never go out by myself because I'm just scared of people like coming up to me. But yesterday I had to go to the mall. um to like get

Chloe Yummywhite lingerie for this like white lingerie party last night. And so I went to the mall by myself and Oh my god, who

Chloe Yummythe hell cares? No, I I promise you this is crazy. Um so I was like um just walking around

Chloe Yummyand I saw this like white dude. He kept following me everywhere I go and like every time I would look at him, he would just be like staring at me and I was like maybe like he knows me like from

Brian Atlasthe internet possibly. And then I like went into What are you What are you looking at? I don't know. Look, just speak here. Look, look, just speak straight. Speak straight into the mic.

Chloe YummyGo ahead. Um, so I was like in Macy's looking at white laundry and he finally he finally

Chloe Yummycomes up to me and he's like, "Are you Chloe?" Yummy. And I'm like, "Yeah, like nice to meet you. I'm always like super nice to my fans like when I see them in

Chloe Yummyperson, of course." And um he's like, "Are your tits real?" And I'm like um I was like a little scared. And I like looked down and he

Chloe Yummywas like touching his dick and he had like this huge ass boner. And I was like, "Sir, what the fuck?" Bro, that's a crime. You should have gone to the police. Why are you telling me? You

Chloe Yummyshould have told this [ __ ] to the police. I I was really scared and I started like um just like running away after that. But that was like honestly the weirdest encounter I ever had. You should have kicked him in the dick. You

Chloe Yummyshould have kicked [ __ ] karate kicked that [ __ ] And he was like a young guy. Like I thought he would be kind of normal. Like when he came up to me I'm like oh he's like chill or

Shulawhatever but he was not. Wow. Thank you for sharing. That's like a sex crime, bro. You [ __ ] I feel that makeup is different from

Shulaplastic surgery is that like makeup is not permanent. Makeup comes off and plastic surgery is permanent. So like if someone has an ugly nose and they make like they do plastic surgery and now

Shulathey have a good nose like beautiful nose then it's not deceptive you know like this is something that will stick with them for life you know like they're not m misrepresenting who they are well

Brian Atlasuh okay why are people attracted to like what is the basis of attraction genetics for men or for women no what what is like the evolutionary reason for men

Brian Atlasfinding women attract attractive and women finding men attractive. What is the reproduction reproduction, right? So, uh Patrick raised a good argument.

Brian AtlasIt's like, okay, well, what about one of the reasons that we find that that we're uh I mean there's a bunch of reasons, but one of the reasons we want to be

Brian Atlaswith somebody who is attractive is because that will confer benefits to our future children because the reality is it's way easier to move through life. Pretty privilege is a thing. So, if your

Brian Atlaschildren are attractive, they're going to have an easier time in life. They're going to perhaps do better from a career perspective. They're going to have an easier time finding a partner. We all want to set our children up for the best

Brian Atlaslife possible. And if we can mate and match with somebody who's attractive, that's going to confer privilege to our children. My mom did that. She's like a

Chloe Yummypretty well-known model and she was working with Elite Management and like she wanted to have a baby and she like

Chloe Yummysee like genetics of like another male model to have me went wrong. Well, come on. Are you

Chloe Yummykidding? What? Well, I was a I was a child model in New York and stuff, but I I don't know. I just became only fans girl. was really sad.

Chloe YummySo that was done through in in vitro fertilization. Yeah. My mom talks about how she wouldn't have had a child with him if she didn't think he had good

David Patrick Harrygenetics because she really cared about a lot. Right. Sperm donor or they dating? No, they were dating. So like it was like a donor. Now they're married. Okay. So she see a man just for the

David Patrick Harrypurpose of having a baby that she and they actually had kitas. I actually had sex. It wasn't the way you explained it sounded like it was like in vitro like she found oh those are the ideal genetics

Brian Atlaskind of may maybe I'm not fully like making getting through to you guys. How would you feel if you went on a date with a guy and he had a toupe t

Lindsay Leeso he he was like fullbald like uh he cares a lot of women care. I don't care. involved. I need a picture of your unit because if

Lindsay Leeit's going to be some small thing what if it's going to be you need a picture. Yeah, because you're saying deception. So these guys are going on dates and you think you're going to get a 6 to 8 in

Lindsay Leeand you get a two. I think we're just like you want to reject a woman who's had any like work makeup or anything. I also I require women picture before I go. Oh my gosh.

Lucy LotusThat's fine. four guys that talk of a big game like they're like I'm going to do this this that and the other get there and they're like can I speak on that one one thing really quick I got to I actually think

Lucy Lotusas a guy put giving you guys some game giving you guys some game to her point oh my god it's a bug you could just kill it if you want spider your ex-girlfriend whatever would be really scared right oh

Brian Atlasmy god so close here's some game you can't as a guy you can't be like lie about your your piece penis size. Yeah, you can't lie. You got to actually lie the other way. You got to say it's

Brian Atlassmaller than it actually is. And then when you come in, you come in, you're setting expect managing expectations. It's kind of like you got to tell a girl you're bad in bed. Then when you do a

Brian Atlasdecent like okay job when you're like average, maybe above average, she's like, "Oh, okay. my my expectations. I wasn't expecting much and now

Audrey (DT248)can I I have a story? Okay. I dated my la my relationship. I was I fell in love with someone before I found out how big or small. We're talking very very small,

Audrey (DT248)unusable. And I was in love with this man and I stayed with him for 3 years because I cuz I'm a good person. Yeah. Yeah. You're a good person. I'm a good person. And I and I'm also very about

Audrey (DT248)the heart and like if you treat me he was like movie boyfriend like opened every door for me bought me anything I ever wanted like treated me like a make you come [ __ ] Yes. So he he is lied to

Audrey (DT248)me before like didn't tell me. We were like talking talking and I was like what's going on? It's not moving any further than this. And I was like sir we're going to like have to break this barrier before I realize like if we I can date you or not. And it was like 2 months and I already loved him. And then

Audrey (DT248)he's like oh it might be small. And I was like, "Okay, in a man's head, Small is like four something." I'm like, "That's workable. We're talking non-usable." Okay. And I stayed with him because I loved him. And that's why I'm

Audrey (DT248)not dating anyone cuz they people lie about it and it's And that's the thing. You can say it doesn't matter. It matters. If you can't have sex with someone and it's that small, then it matters. So, he wasn't able to no consummate. Also, because I was the

Audrey (DT248)first fat guy I ever dated and I will never even though I'm fat. Yes. And two fat fats do not go together. You can't date a fat when you're fat. It just doesn't work. But I was going to I was going to So he was fat, very fat, and

Brian Atlasfatter than me at the time. What if What if he actually Because you were both No, wait, let me let me explain. What if because you were both fat? Your words. I'm just using your words. I'm not

Audrey (DT248)offended by the word fat. It is what I am. Yeah. Because you were both Reubenesque. I want to use a word. I don't want to use fat. You can use fat. It's okay.

Brian AtlasBrian, the I want to because you were both fat. Big boned. Oh my god. That's not what I am. I'm fat. Because you were both

Brian Atlasplus-size. Oh my god. Is it possible that it wasn't physically possible? Hold on. Hold on. Let me finish. It wasn't the size of his penis

Audrey (DT248)that was the problem, but it just wasn't able to reach. No, that's not I understand what you're saying. So, even if it was because look, let me two does not Yes, I understand cuz sometimes I've

Brian Atlasbeen with not a fat girl, but she's got she's got thick legs and it's harder. She No, shut what the [ __ ] Patrick. No,

Brian AtlasI've been with like I date, you know, fit girls, but I sometimes they be thick like and I'm, you know, I I'm okay down

Brian Atlasthere. Like I'm I'm average, right? But but can't get through the thick. But I'm like sometimes there's some positions they're so like the legs like she got bigger legs than me and the ass is like

Brian Atlasdamn. So like the ass is huge, bro. And it's like there's just some positions that are off. There's some positions off limits. There's a couple positions off limits with the big girl. Like girl, but

Audrey (DT248)like she's thick. Like she got cake, son. She's Sorry. Okay, I understand. So that was like, no, we're talking even if I was saying this girl size, it's not working. Like there's some things that are just not workable. And that was not

Audrey (DT248)workable. And I couldn't do any like it was just I couldn't do anything. And I'm like, just cuz you're fat doesn't mean you can't. Like a lot of people think fat people don't have sex. It's such a weird thing. It's not. It's a thing. It's hard though.

Audrey (DT248)You can't I can't do what she can do. But I can I'm not like I'm 23. I'm still movable. You know what I mean? I can still do stuff. And I also like We're talking big butts. cuz I got a wagon back there and I there's position you

Audrey (DT248)can't do but he couldn't do any of them. So, and I was with him for three and a half years. Oh, I just don't even know. Like I I'm so sorry. I'm sorry for myself, my friends, my mom. I cried to my mom when I found

Audrey (DT248)out cuz I was like, I love this man. He's the best guy I've ever met, but his dick is so small. And I was like, what do I do? She told me to leave him. How do we know? I didn't leave him. that's

Brian Atlasgiving like Samantha from sex. I just don't know what position because like do you have to like are we talking about when you're fat? Like how do you Oh my [ __ ] god,

Audrey (DT248)Brian. I'm just saying I don't Oh my god, that's crazy. No. Um, what are you talking about? It's like, okay, I get what you're saying. Yes, there's more. Is it like you got part the Red Sea into men who are into the men that are with

Audrey (DT248)me don't are like not just into big women, they think that big women are goddesses, right? like we're a different category. And I think I'm very I'm not one of those fat people that think it's not okay if you don't like fat people. I

Audrey (DT248)think it's fine. Stop talking like that. I think for sure word. I think it's okay. I think it's okay to not want to [ __ ] a fat person. I'm more like if you don't want to be my friend cuz I'm fat, that's weird. You know what I mean? But

Audrey (DT248)I'll be friends with the fat. I You'll be my friend. I'm I'm friends with myself. Oh my gosh. I got to lose some weight. That's Am I fat or am I chubby? You're

Audrey (DT248)not fat or chubby. You're just like big bones. What the [ __ ] Dad bones. Yeah. Yeah. You're big bones. I'm big bones. Are you all chuckling back here? Oh my gosh. So, you're saying how does it how

Audrey (DT248)does how does fat sex work? Is that what you're asking me, Brian? Just say it out loud. Yes. Okay. So, I understand there's some things it's not maybe as fun and you can't throw me around and

Audrey (DT248)all that. Yes. But it's doable. It's possible. And it's like a thing that people do. Like it's easy. Fat people are flexible. It's not like I'm like not able to move. You know what I mean? I

Brian Atlashaven't got to that point yet. I just don't like I'm trying to visualize it in my not you like I'm trying to visualize it in my head. What is there? You think my stomach is covering my cuck cuck? No,

Brian AtlasI'm just like even if it was like I feel like doggy style would probably be the best angle. Yes. Unless they have a But I just don't even know if it's like going through a cavern back there, you I

Brian Atlasdon't know if I could get there. You cannot. I know that. I'm sorry. I just think like there's such a thing as too

Brian Atlasmuch ass. Yeah, I got too much ass. I don't think like and I I could be full masked and I just can't reach it. I don't think I could reach. It's okay. Not all of us can reach it. It's okay. I

Audrey (DT248)don't think I could. And that's okay to admit. I'm glad you're admitting that. Um but some people can and those are the people that I Wait, so what size do you like? But it's like the it's not more like leg. It's literally about like what's going to work. Like did you see

Audrey (DT248)me walking? That thing is a huge. Okay. So 80 inches and it's a very big one. And that is a lot of things to get through, you know? So it's more of like what is going to work and be like do you

Audrey (DT248)need like four steps to like No. Oh my god. This is craziness. No. I just don't know. Five is perfectly fine. Anything below five is not going to work. I won't

Audrey (DT248)feel. But anything Hey, sorry boys. I'm sorry, boys. But I mean, it's not I'm just kidding. Everybody, like, what's your type? I'm so intrigued. I like everything. I like

Audrey (DT248)everything and everyone. I'm also into women, so I'm I'm you. I say I'm down. That's what I am. That's dope. Yeah. So, wait, you won't deal with a fat guy, though. It's I'm attracted to every like

Audrey (DT248)I was attracted to this man. This man was like, if we're talking about rating all this stuff that you like to do, this man was like a two or three, but to me, he was a 10. Like when I'm in love with someone, I don't care what you look like. I am in love. I think you're the hottest person ever. Like that's why

Audrey (DT248)when I the whole rating thing when Andrew Andrew talks about his wife and rates her a six, you should think the person you're with is a 10. No matter what. Even if like we're talking about like, oh, this person's on the cover of Vogue. Obviously, she wouldn't be on the cover of Vogue, but she should be a 10

Brian Atlasto him. You know what I mean? So, he was a 10 to me, man. Man, what do you mean, man? It's not about facts. Well, speaking, you know, thank you for bringing up the rating thing. I think uh we do it right now. Surprise. I hate

Brian Atlasthis. M1 Grand ask ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. Starting Why don't we start with you? Go ahead. You said rate myself 10. And I think every other

Audrey (DT248)woman man should rate themselves a 10. So 10 for you. And everyone's a 10 in my eyes. Chloe, a six. Girl. Into the mic. Into the mic. Five. Five. I'd probably say six, too.

AnastasiaSeven. You can't pick seven. I would say between six and eight depending like on a day like makeup, no makeup, how my skin looks. What about right now? Um maybe

Brian Atlascan seven maybe like uh seven and a seven and a half. See, this is like crazy. You got to pick six or eight. I have to do that by

Brian Atlasyourself. Six or eight, right? I hate this question. Can I do 6.9? Nope. So stupid. Such a stupid question. I guess full numbers. No, no more. All

David Patrick Harryright. Okay. Eight. Let's do eight. Eight. Okay. Um, six, seven. Okay. Five. Patrick, what do you rate yourself? Uh,

David Patrick Harrysince we can't choose seven, I'll just I'll boost my ego and I'll say I'm an eight. Okay. I give myself a five. Sticking with that one. Give myself a five. So, we have a 10. We got the Oh my god, it's not about that. If we're

Audrey (DT248)talking about real Okay, please let me talk about this topic. So, if we're talking about realistic, because I'm a very realistic person. I know that when I go outside, not everyone's going to think I'm attractive, and that's okay. I'm realistic. But when you're talking

Audrey (DT248)about rating yourself, I feel like every individual should feel that they're a 10. They should feel that about themselves. That's the best way to live. I don't if we're talking if like I had to come to realistics, right? And you're like, "Do you think you could be on the cover of Vogue?" I know that I can't,

Audrey (DT248)right? That's okay. But and also, if we're if I'm having to rate myself, if someone's like has a gun to my head and they're like, "Rate yourself. Give me a number." I could give myself a number. But as myself, I rate myself a 10 because I know who I am and I know what

Audrey (DT248)I'm about and that's what I give myself. But I'm also realistic. So, what do you rate me? I love this question. I think with the

Audrey (DT248)beard, you're like a seven, eight. Without the beard, I think like a six. I just rate yourself because you rate everyone else. I'm giving you a rating. Well, I think beard I think you're a 10 though in my eyes. You know what I mean?

Audrey (DT248)No, but you just said I was a six. No, because you are very like you will tell girls that there, you know what I mean? So, I'm giving you the same energy back, but in my eyes, you're a 10. I feel like Brian probably wears the beard because

Audrey (DT248)like my ex-husband, if he shaved his beard, he just had a baby face. That's what I'm saying. It like that's why the beard I feel like when I see girls taking their makeup off, I've seen more dramatic beard shavings than makeup

Audrey (DT248)taking off on like just a haircut. No, literally a man taking off his beard is like gain ch. That's what I'm saying. When do you think you should tell a girl that you can like a picture of you before the I have I have like most of my Instagram is me with Well, not you. I'm

Audrey (DT248)saying in general like well I guess you and in general like do you think a man should have to if they have a beard they should they should do the same thing. I feel I don't think beard is a fair comparison to makeup. Why is it with the man thing though? Like why is it like when it is a very big difference when

Audrey (DT248)you have no beard on and when you have a beard on you look very different and that's okay. So why is it different without the beard better? Thank you. Thank you Chloe. I appreciate that. Thank you. I like the beard. Beards are

Audrey (DT248)cool. It's not a one to It's not a similar comparison. Why? Well, but it's a part of his body. I understand it's natural, but the way it changes your We're talking about changing appearances, right? Maybe a

Brian Atlasfourth of the face, but um the the beard one, it's natural, so it's not something that's artificial, right? Um so that I mean that's one of the big differences that I would say. Why do you want women

Audrey (DT248)to rate themselves 1 through 10? What does it give you? What do you think it does for people? Why do you think we need a rating? Like, what is this segment even about? You know what I mean? Cuz I go around the circle and this woman calls herself a five. And

Audrey (DT248)that makes me want to cry cuz you're not a five. You're hot as [ __ ] And you're hot. You guys are all hot as [ __ ] And then a woman thinking themselves as a five is so sad to me because I think you only get one life and you should yourself feel like you're the hottest girl in the world. Like you don't think

Audrey (DT248)you're better than anyone, right? You can think you're hotter than everyone but also not think you're better. Do you know what I'm saying? You can you can live on the same plane. You can still think like you're pretty and not be condescending and not be realistic. Like this show is always about realistics.

Lindsay LeeRealistic is like who cares? I don't care. But I also think like I can be realistic and not care what others think about my appearance. Absolutely. Like I don't need to feel pretty

David Patrick Harryin the way you feel about yourself and the potential of who you can be. It can be separate from how you compare to the general population. And I think the point of the segment, the reason why people like it is because it gets back

David Patrick Harryto the attention economy and how social media has altered the way in which women perceive themselves based on the amount of attention they can get. And so men, we don't we just don't live in that world. I can't post selfies of myself

David Patrick Harryand garner an audience. That's just not how it works. Maybe for a few people. We're on right now. But even bodybuilders, it's like men. Anybody who's works out know it's men that

David Patrick Harrycongratulate you or appreciate your fitness more than women do. So it's like the whole idea you get fit for women. Uh rarely ever does a woman come up and say, "Wow, you have great shoulders." Or whatever it may be. But we also have gay

David Patrick Harryfor pay. So there's Well, that's a wholly different dynamic. You're talking about You're talking about homosexuals then. That's a totally different They're not homosexual. Gay for pay. Yeah, that sounds pretty gay and homosexual to me.

David Patrick HarryJust because the act is doesn't mean they are. that I think pay for pay like you're straining. Yeah. Behavior dominate. Again, I'm not going to go based on what somebody labels themselves as. I'm going to go based on their what

David Patrick Harrytheir behaviors are. So, but it's still winning over favor of men. Sure. And I'm sure there's lesbian for pay. I don't know. I'm not in that world. But anyways, my point in regards

David Patrick Harryto the segment Oh, yeah. there is lesbian for is because in our industry is because women typically historically like let's say the average five male and the average five female they would get

David Patrick Harrytogether and have a family but because of the way social media has altered the perception the self-perception of women is the average five is like really waiting for the seven the eight the nine and and this is why then it's

David Patrick Harryinteresting for people to watch the show and see how women rate themselves to see like where how realistic are they in regards to like the actual full spectrum dating market. I understand. So you think when you say a five and a like you

David Patrick Harrydon't think that a hot person and a five like can coincide or like they could absolutely. My point is though that's why the average man is having such a difficult time of finding a woman to

David Patrick Harryactually build a family with because the average woman probably has had one night stands, promiscuous encounters with men that are more attractive than the man that she could actually form a long-term relationship with. See, that's what I'm

Audrey (DT248)saying. When you say actually form, actually like you mean like why can't they form someone with someone that's like a lot of people that talk to me are ext like people are into big women. They're the tens of the tens. They're the hottest people. Like I've seen a lot of people who come who are plus-siz that

Audrey (DT248)come on this podcast and people think that that's not the truth. It is like people that look like you, you're a very attractive man, hit on me all the time and that's just the reality of it. And does that mean I'm taking away from the average man of like because I'm fat I have to be with someone who's average?

David Patrick HarryLike do you guys You don't have to. No. And and maybe again the category where these men find you as a you know a fat queen. Maybe that well that's kind of way you phrased it earlier. So I'm just

David Patrick Harrya goddess. Okay. Well, however you want to phrase it. Um okay. So that again that's kind of the exception to the rule and and but generally speaking this is why it's so difficult in the dating

David Patrick Harrymarket for average people to find average people. And women have are they because you guys have access to sex and you have that leverage. And then men are so lustful and simpy and can't control

David Patrick Harrythemselves. I mean, you guys are able to have experiences with people that the average man is not having he's not having one night stands with the the female eight and thinking, you know what, maybe I'm a five, but one day I could actually, you know, settle down

David Patrick Harrywith an eight. We're just more realistic. Men are forced to deal with reality, and women are able to live in the world that men construct and kind of be shielded from it. So, even thinking in that manner of like I'm gonna be end up with like I don't even think like that. Like I don't think like this is

Audrey (DT248)who you know what I mean like I just date who I date and like if they're four or whatever like even like the fact that we're talking about a number scale on someone's looks I just hate that in general like that someone is a number like why does it matter like a bigger

David Patrick Harryissue of how like you know looks is such a big thing in the world and it's just crazy that it run but it will always be like that. Yeah. It's just a superficial way to kind of view how people perceive themselves in relationship to the

David Patrick Harrygeneral market of dating and and like you know couples finding finding other people. So yeah, I mean no matter what number you are that shouldn't diminish your human worth or who you as a person. And I don't think anybody watching this

David Patrick Harrythinks that's the case. What the the people watching this are interested in is like what do the chicks think about themselves? cuz I I they probably have some type of rating and they want to see if it concords with reality or again they live in a fantasy world where

David Patrick Harryeverybody's a 10 and everybody and that's fine if you have that personal belief in yourself. I think that's great to be self-confident but but the real the reality of it all is that we all are

David Patrick Harryon a spectrum of of appearance and attractiveness and and even the 10 it's not like all people are attracted to what would be the the prototype 10.

David Patrick HarryYeah. But typically, statistically, probability on average, people date and marry the people on their same level. And the problem is for young men is they can't get the woman that's on their

Lucy Lotuslevel because they're constantly focused upwards on this dating spectrum because of the attention that they get online. Makes sense. I don't know. In the adult industry, I've noticed that like BBW is

Lucy Lotusa very consistent niche. Like I've noticed that when I gained a little bit of weight, like I got more scenes and I got more action. Not saying I like got

David Patrick Harryto the BBW level, but I fluctuate weight. I'm a thick girl, so I'll speak for the thick girlies, but Well, and couldn't that be because the average man is wanting to fantasize about somebody

Lucy Lotusthat they think is actually like potentially realistic for them? Possibly. But I also think that it's like a like I don't know just it's it's

Audrey (DT248)a very like Yeah, it's a huge fetish. Like a huge fetish. I don't think you guys understand like how big our you guys don't there's two like cuz obviously I understand everyone like there's two different ends of it.

Audrey (DT248)There's people who fetishize us and it's like literally only about our actual fat. Like they don't care about us. They care about like my belly. It's weird. Like and that is a whole another section of it. But there's also people who are just into women and and a and a person and they're into me as a person. You

Audrey (DT248)know what I mean? And that's a whole another thing. Like they'll date anyone. But I feel like a lot of people say that there's not lots of men out there for bigger women. Not a lot of people like it is huge. So many people like big woman your brothers, your cousins, your

Audrey (DT248)dad, your uncle, everyone. And you might hide it and you might not. And that's okay if you're not like in high school like I didn't get a lot of guys talking to me in high school because I they were embarrassed, right? It's like I I had a lot of friends. I was very popular in

Audrey (DT248)high school, but I didn't the dating scene was not a thing for me. When I got out of high school, they the gates flooded open. You know what I mean? Cuz they felt like not insecure to like hold my hand out in public. It's more of like a school thing, like their friends picking on them and stuff like that.

Audrey (DT248)When they grow up and they realize that they have their own decisions and they can make their own choices and they realize that they actually have always liked bigger women. And it's not a bad thing. Like it's different. Like you you look like you're very physical and you like you might like to go on hikes and stuff. I understand that someone might

Audrey (DT248)not want to be with me because I physically can't. I'm not going on hikes every day. I can go and go to, you know, Universal and walk the park all day and that's fine. There's things I can do, but I'm also not going on bike rides and

Audrey (DT248)doing all these things. And I understand my my lifestyle might not match their lifestyle and that's completely okay. But and also you might not be attracted to me and that's okay, too. But to be like acting like this is not a reality

Audrey (DT248)of like people. No, I'm not saying you are. I'm saying people. It is such a reality. Whenever I go out, I get hit on all the time. More than I feel like skin because I feel like they want they think I want it more because I am big. But

Shulait's like all the time. You know what I mean? And erroneous. Erroneous. Erroneous. You know what? I don't think it's a fetish because if you if you think about it historically, women didn't didn't used to be skinnier. Like women used to be like much fatter than

Audrey (DT248)we see nowadays. I feel like there's different levels of it. Like when it's my side, I don't think you were seen as like richer. Yeah, you were rich, bigger.

David Patrick HarryYeah. But no one was like certain historical period cultures, too. Yeah. Certain historical periods. But I mean, you look at like if you're talking

Brian Atlasabout statues in Greek culture, they weren't they weren't like stick thin. They had some curves, but they were not like anywhere approaching obese. They weren't obese, but they had

Shulathey had the body. You know, like in the Russian culture, like we're from Russia. We can, you know, it was considered to be beautiful for a woman to be fat. But I wouldn't say again Russia. Yeah, it

Brian AtlasRussia is my if you're I'm sorry. If you're used to Yeah, used to be. Now, who cares about what used to be saying like we're still wired the same way, you

Brian Atlasknow? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. It's not wired, though. Wired is being attracted to healthy bodies. Obesity is not healthy. When you're talk, what

Brian Atlasyou're talking Stop, stop. What you're talking about is not wired. You're talking about a specific social phenomenon in like feudal Europe where

Brian Atlasthere was mass amounts of poverty and most of the peasantry was like hungry and starving. And so a woman who was obese perhaps was an indicator that

Brian Atlasshe came from a wealthy family. That is the basis of like the it was a social construct and a determination of like okay well she's uh wellfed so

Brian Atlasthat's the basis perhaps for the attraction but there's not a wiring for men to be attracted to fat women. The thing is that like if the basis for

Shulaattraction is reproduction right? Yes. So like if a woman is very very skinny, she's not That wouldn't disprove my claim. Yeah. But I'm saying like you to successfully have a child, you need to have some curves. Like you need to have

Chloe Yummysome my mom is so skinny and she Yeah, that's not true. Like the woman hips thing. Yeah. I think she If you have

Anastasiatraditionally if you have wider hips, it can be easier to give birth. She has wide hips but she's skinny. Yeah. I don't know. But but the point generally speaking in regards to like

David Patrick Harrythe statuary you're referring to, those aren't fat women. And yeah, they may have some body fat on them, but it was a it was a signifier of fertility. So when we're talking about like obese people,

David Patrick Harrythis is later in European history, and this had to do with kings wait presenting themselves. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Can you hold

Brian Atlason? Don't change, please. What? You can you fix your top, please?

ShulaTo any art museum, like you see all these paintings and you're like, well, this woman needs to Yeah. The Mona Lisa, she wasn't super skinny, but she also wasn't obese or fat, right? But like by modern standards like that's not you

Brian Atlasknow I just don't also I mean I don't I don't know if like depictions in

Brian Atlasuh in ancient art or uh like statues is necessarily I don't know if we can draw anything necessarily from that

Audrey (DT248)but quick thing uh okay so you you're a 10 I I say as my own self. I kind of said it to piss these people off, but I also feel like, like I said, I'm realistic, but I think of myself as a

Audrey (DT248)10. Like, and you said I was a a six as like a I think you're a good-looking man, Brian. I don't think you're ugly. So, but would you would be settling for me? Like, you would be doing me a favor. Yeah, I would be doing you a favor. Yes.

Brian AtlasNo. Is that No. Genuinely, I'm I'm not going to be offended. I don't I don't like rating people. No, but it would you feel like from a physical perspective that you would be settling for me? No. Because I rated myself a 10. Are you

Audrey (DT248)saying okay? That's what I'm saying. This doesn't that have to be the case though? I get what you're saying, but I don't think you're you're less attracted than me cuz I rated myself a 10. You get what I'm saying? Like I think I am a 10, but I don't think that's what I'm saying. This thing is so stupid cuz like

Audrey (DT248)I feel like we shouldn't even be this shouldn't even be a topic or like a discussion. But well, women rate men all the time on a variety of measurements and factors. Measurements literally.

Brian AtlasWait, but hold on. Like for I'll give you perspective. You said that you would not date another fat man. And that's a determination based on a measurement of his weight. No, but we're talking about physical manifestation. I know. See,

Audrey (DT248)that's the thing. I would date a man that's fat if I was skinny. We're talking about like realistic. But you're right. But in practice, for technicality reasons. Yes. For practicality reasons. Yes. It just doesn't work. Yeah. So,

Brian Atlaswhat are you saying? What are you asking? But I'm saying you make determinations in terms of who you will date or what you I don't want to say you probably find Do you find fat men attractive? Yeah, I find anyone I find

Brian Atlasso many people attractive. I won't misrepresent. I don't think I I'm My brain is wired differently than a lot of people. I think that you make assessments based on who you're going to partner with based off of measurements. Will you date a guy who's shorter than

Audrey (DT248)you? Um, it depends on how much shorter. I don't mind. I I I would rather the same height and like maybe two inches is the most I would do cuz How tall How tall are you? I'm like 5'7. See, that's

Audrey (DT248)Would you date a guy who's 5'6? Yeah, I would. Is it your preference though? No, but I'm like What's your preference? Tall. But I would date someone who's shorter. I I I'm in love with It's not your preference, though. No, but I'm It's not your You wouldn't date a fat

Brian Atlasperson if that's your preference and that's okay. How big is the If If she has a big labia, I might I might give Did we just say big labia? I only date women with large labia. Do you have a large labia?

Audrey (DT248)Who's laughing? I don't know. I'm glad I do. Over here have penis size preferences. I I do. Well, do you Okay. Do you think it's okay to You don't think it's okay to have a penis preference? Because in my scenario, I didn't have sex for three and a half

Audrey (DT248)years because I was in love with this man. And that's not okay. I don't think that's okay if you can't have sex with someone because their penis is too small. That's okay to have a preference. I think if like Wait, so my preference is not okay? No, I did say what preference. You not wanting to be with a

Audrey (DT248)fat person? No, I was talking about labia. Oh, I think Okay, see that's the thing. Labia is more like visual. Penis is more like physical. You can't That is

Audrey (DT248)true. A a labia isn't making the sex t be worse. Like a a Okay. What is a labia doing that's getting getting in the way of the the fornicating? No, it doesn't get in the way. It does change. It does.

Audrey (DT248)How much labia do you like? I want Guinness World Record level labia. Yeah. All right. Never mind. So, see, but then your nonprofit says what was that again? Big labia. Big labia matter. See, big

Audrey (DT248)labia matters. Mean like No, it's the Audi versus any the little flip-flops. You know what I mean? But Patrick's loving this conversation. I feel you can't compare the two. Like I also don't think it's okay to judge

Brian Atlassomeone off of any like Okay, if they have a Inies are fine. I I'll innies are cool, too. This is a comp I have a preference for Audi's. Okay, that's fine. But I feel like Oh, I feel like the comparison's like an ugly penis or a

Audrey (DT248)non-usable penis. Like we're talking about size or the the way it looks like a big labia is like an ugly penis or in your comparison. Do you get what I'm saying? Like if someone had a non Do you get what I'm saying? Like some people

Audrey (DT248)don't Okay, let me not all small penises are micro penises where it's like practically impossible to have. True. But I'm saying if it's anything like for me, I can't have intercourse with certain sizes. So that's not a choice. It's like that's just what it is. You

Audrey (DT248)know what I mean? But I wouldn't not date someone cuz they had an ugly looking one. Like if it works and it's usable, I don't care what it looks like. You know what I mean? Like I feel like that's more judgy than like saying it's about the size. Why are you acting like that? Doesn't make sense. The size of it

Audrey (DT248)is like you physically can't do stuff. The look of it is like judging. That's the same thing of a big labia. That's the same thing. So are do you object to my preference or I'm No, I think you're allowed to feel how you want and not

Brian Atlaslike I I don't who cares? Yeah. But I mean, look, women make all kinds of assessments uh when it comes to men and if they're going to be attracted to them based on various literal measurements,

Brian Atlaspenis size, uh height, their their physicality. It could be uh also what else? Uh oh, like hair. Mhm. If they are balding, women typically prefer men with

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