Elon Musk Has Baby With Whatever HATER?! Mason! Is She CRAZY?! VIRAL Mugshawty? | Dating Talk #228
Date: 2025-02-17
Duration: 7h 39m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson (clip)(guest)
SPEAKER_02Bailey (Philly)(guest)
SPEAKER_03Alexa(guest)
SPEAKER_04Felicity Hughes(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ashley(guest)
SPEAKER_06Bailey Jane(guest)
SPEAKER_07News/TikTok Audio(audience)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Mason Gregoire(guest)
SPEAKER_10Elina(guest)
SPEAKER_12Ariel(guest)
SPEAKER_13Ashley St. Clair (clip)(audience)
SPEAKER_14Emily(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:13
IntroBrian Atlas introduces Dating Talk #228 with full show announcements
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast...I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:04:40
IntroBailey Jane introduces herself: 25yo, Illinois, creative/reseller/rapper/inventor. Very mysterious about her income sources and inventions.
“my name is Bailey Jane I'm 25 and my occupation is a creative”
00:09:15
IntroFelicity Hughes introduces herself: 18yo from Santa Barbara, dental assistant and business student
“my name is Felicity I'm 18 from Santa Barbara”
00:10:20
IntroBailey (Philly) introduces herself: 23yo from Central PA, BSBA in marketing/international business
“hi I'm Bailey I'm 23 and I just got my bsba in marketing and international business”
00:10:50
IntroAriel introduces herself: 24yo (birthday yesterday), Arizona/Santa Monica, bartender/model
“my name is Ariel I'm 23 well I'm 24 now my birthday was yesterday”
00:11:36
IntroElina introduces herself: 20yo, originally from Russia, Philadelphia, business student
“my name is Elina I'm 20 years old I am originally from Russia but I currently live in Philadelphia”
00:12:00
IntroEmily introduces herself: 24yo, Western Washington, BA Psychology, CPS social worker, dropped out MSW due to wokeness
“my name is Emily I am from Western Washington I just turned 24”
00:12:43
IntroAshley introduces herself: 25yo, San Diego, lash/nail tech and barista
“my name is Ashley I'm 25 I don't go to school”
00:12:55
IntroAlexa introduces herself: 29yo, Silicon Valley, eVTOL company, BS Business
“hi I'm Alexa I'm the old one at this table I just had a birthday so I'm 29 now”
00:13:24
IntroMason introduces himself: 28yo, NEET, bachelor in mechanical engineering. Brian acknowledges he's a top recurring guest.
“my name is Mason I am 28 years old...right now I have no job I'm a failure at life”
00:18:22
Key MomentMason shares full story of catastrophic motorcycle accident on September 11 — grade-4 aortic tear, 50 days in hospital, 12 operations, coma until end of September, near-death multiple times. Doctors say he is the topic at medical conferences. Credits fitness and faith for survival.
“on September 11th I got in a really bad motorcycle accident...I had a grade for aortic tear...about 90% of people who get that die”
00:26:35
Key MomentAlexa tells the story of how she met Mason: slid into his DMs after watching him on the podcast, prayed he would message her, eventually met for 4 hours in coffee shop. She stayed with him at the hospital for 3 weeks during recovery.
“I think he was on the podcast...I slid into his DMS...she stayed with me at the hospital for 3 weeks”
00:33:45
QuoteMason reveals he is a virgin, saving for marriage. Cites statistics on how more partners correlates with lower marriage success rates.
“I'm a virgin um yeah never been with a lady...saving it for marriage...extremely important to me”
00:35:31
RelationshipRelationship status round: Bailey Jane (single 2yr), Felicity (2yr relationship), Bailey Philly (single 1.5yr), Ariel (5mo w/ girlfriend), Elina (4yr relationship), Emily (engaged 5yr8mo), Ashley (single ~1yr), Alexa & Mason (together, met through show)
“uh what is your current relationship status”
00:37:32
ControversyFelicity "Taylor Drift" car chase story: played news TikTok of her police chase in Camarillo, charged with assault with deadly weapon and evading police after striking a patrol car. On diversion program. Gained 13k Instagram followers.
“driver at the wheel is alleged to be Felicity Hughes of Camarillo”
00:56:35
ControversyBrian discusses Ashley St. Clair announcing Elon Musk's 13th child — notable because she previously begged to be on Whatever then said the show "sucks," and also called for Brian to be deplatformed from YouTube.
“she made a tweet on Valentine's Day...she has a love child with Elon Musk”
01:01:08
QuoteEmily on the Ashley St. Clair situation: "I am not surprised for the amount of sh*t that she talked hypergamy seems to be rampant these days anyway"
“I am not surprised for the amount of sh*t that she talked hypergamy seems to be rampant these days”
03:04:55
Key MomentBrian vs Elina debate: do female incels exist? Brian says vanishingly rare — any woman willing to try can find sex. Elina argues they do exist even if uncommon. Brian offers to personally help a femcel as proof. Emily provides data point about My 600lb Life.
“if a woman is extremely ugly you think that she can get sex from a guy who is also extremely ugly sure yes”
03:25:35
Key MomentSelf-rating round (1-10, no 7): Bailey Jane=10, Felicity=5, Bailey Philly=6, Ariel=8.5, Elina=6.9, Emily=5, Ashley=6.5, Alexa=6.9, Mason=6.9, Brian=5. Chat GPT rated Brian 5-7.
“Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven”
03:38:49
Key MomentElina argues women shouldn't be drafted but should have a birth draft (forced childbearing during war). Brian points out this is more extreme than being pro-life. Elina says she leans pro-life and would support it in extreme circumstances.
“women shouldn't be drafted...they should still be drafted just for non-combat roles”
04:42:12
Key MomentPanel reacts to Andrew Wilson clip about male authority in marriage — "I don't care to have my authority questioned." Alexa and Mason both support concept of male headship while emphasizing respect.
“this is from our good friend Andrew Wilson we...let's react to this”
05:07:50
Key MomentExtended marriage debate: Brian anti-marriage (legal contract biased against men, women initiate 70%+ of divorces, divorce incentivized). Alexa pro-marriage (public declaration, burning boats). Mason: government shouldn't be involved, only the church.
“I don't think men should get married”
05:31:22
QuoteChat donation from Chris ($200): "41, make 2 million a year, not married to my girl...created a trust and gave her power of attorney...men who are winning and aware do not get married"
“men who are winning and aware do not get married”
06:48:45
ControversyBailey Jane claims she moved to LA because she psychically knew about the fires 5-6 years in advance, and believes most LA fires were arson/blue beams not climate change.
“I moved to LA 5 years ago because of the fires...I knew it wasn't going to be climate change”
07:05:45
QuoteBailey Jane explains she dated a guy who was Emperor Augustus reincarnated — same birthday as Augustus's father, visited Getty Villa and he pointed out the Augustus bust. Also dated Abraham Lincoln reincarnated.
“he was Emperor Augustus...my ex was Emperor Augustus in his past life”
07:37:28
OtherBrian closes the show, raids W Grandma on Twitch (83-year-old playing World of Warcraft retail)
“she is playing World of Warcraft retail it looks like there it is there's the raid shout out hello whatever guys she's 83”
Topics Discussed
00:00:13
Introductions & Show Announcements
Host Brian Atlas introduces the show, guests introduce themselves with name/age/location/occupation/education. Mason shares his motorcycle accident story and recovery. Alexa describes how she met Mason through the podcast.
00:35:31
Relationship Status Round
All guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, and how they met partners. Felicity reveals her car chase viral story / Taylor Drift mugshot. Ariel discusses her bi identity and long-distance relationship. Emily reveals her engagement.
00:56:35
Ashley St. Clair / Elon Musk Baby News
Brian discusses conservative influencer Ashley St. Clair announcing a child with Elon Musk. Panel reacts to hypergamy, single motherhood, Elon's prolific fathering, her penthouse apartment. Discussion of her requesting deplatforming of Whatever in the past after begging to be on the show.
01:20:25
Mental Health & Medication Disclosures
Guests go around the table sharing diagnoses and medications. Bailey Jane: ADHD/mild autism (unmedicated). Bailey Philly: PTSD, depression, anxiety, possible BPD (Zoloft). Alexa: PTSD (unmedicated). Emily: ADHD + PTSD (Adderall). Elina: none.
03:04:55
Female Incels (Femcels) Debate
Extended debate about whether female involuntary celibacy exists. Brian argues it is vanishingly rare (women can always get sex if they try). Elina argues it does exist. Alexa/Emily provide nuance. Brian offers to personally help a femcel as proof. Discussion of male vs female dating effort.
03:25:35
Self-Rating Looks & Peak Age
Guests rate themselves 1-10 (no 7). Bailey Jane: 10. Felicity: 5. Bailey Philly: 6. Ariel: 8.5. Elina: 6.9. Ashley: 6.5. Alexa: 6.9. Mason: 6.9. Brian: 5. Discussion of when each woman will be at peak attractiveness.
03:35:00
Questionnaire Round — Dating Opinions
Pre-show questionnaire covered: men should pay first dates, women's makeup for men vs themselves, women shouldn't be drafted, gender pay gap, body counts, marriage pros/cons, prenups, ambition in men, age gap relationships, racial dating preferences, height minimums, income requirements, bear vs man in forest, men are physically stronger, passport bros warnings. Bailey Jane's long notes read aloud by Alexa.
04:07:53
Racial Dating Preferences
Panel discusses racial dating preferences. Bailey Philly brings up Oxford study (Asian woman + white man). Brian states his preferences (white/Asian/Latina). Emily (mostly dated white, one Filipino/Black). Bailey Jane (gravitates to Black men/Hispanic). Elina doesn't care. Ariel doesn't have strong preference.
04:42:25
Andrew Wilson Clip Reaction
Panel reacts to viral clip of Andrew Wilson (not present, at NJ debate convention) explaining that he gives his wife what she wants but has final say and doesn't care to have his authority questioned. Panel discusses male headship in marriage — Alexa and Elina largely agree with submission in marriage.
04:54:53
Instagram Matchmaking & Rating Male Influencers
Brian shows photos of male friends/acquaintances (Zach, Felix, Kai, Speed, another) asking panel if they'd date them. Also rates male influencers including Asmon Gold.
05:07:50
Marriage Debate
Brian explains his anti-marriage position (legal liability, women initiate divorces, no fault divorce). Alexa and Mason defend marriage (commitment, public declaration, burning the boats). Emily discusses prenups. Chat donation from Chris ($200) agrees with Brian: men who are winning don't marry.
05:44:00
Body Count Round
Guests share body counts. Felicity: 2. Ariel: ~7 women, ~5 men. Bailey Jane: refuses. Bailey Philly: refuses exact. Elina: 2. Emily: refuses. Ashley: refuses. Alexa: refuses. Mason: 0 (virgin). Brian does test of asking single women if they'd hook up with him — all decline.
06:26:00
Bailey Jane Past Lives / Psychic Discussion
Extended discussion of Bailey Jane's claims: past lives, twin flames, Emperor Augustus reincarnated ex, Abraham Lincoln reincarnated ex, Dua Lipa as Augustus's twin flame, moving to LA guided by universe for fires, blue beam conspiracy fires. Emily and Brian push back on the math/logic. Roast session from chat.
06:53:28
Makeup Removal Segment & Roast Session
Makeupremoval: Alexa and Elina wipe makeup. Roast session from chat — mostly targeting Bailey Jane's psychic claims and Felicity's car chase. Various donations read including OJ Simpson, Michael Jones, Randy.
07:20:00
Show Close & Final Questions
Rapid-fire questionnaire answers. Final TTS roasts. Emily discusses real gender pay gap being in dating. Brian wraps show, raids W Grandma on Twitch playing World of Warcraft.
Transcript
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01:50:03
Brian Atlasthe monogamous relationship yes like you wanted to be in a monogamous sexual relationship with them mhm and early on in the relationship was the frequency
01:50:14
Bailey (Philly)with which you were having sex more frequent um earlier yes also you said you guys were in a long-term relationship so you guys wouldn't see each other very much right yeah yeah so then it was like when I got back like he
01:50:26
Bailey (Philly)expected everything like kind of right away you wait what do you mean right away when I got back from Australia you guys had been dating for n months or something right yeah I know but when I got to Australia like you know I'm
01:50:37
Bailey (Philly)getting back into this time zone like it it took him two weeks since he basically moved in without like saying he was going to move in and expected me to like drop everything to be with him every two seconds which of course in the beginning
01:50:48
Bailey (Philly)I was like yeah but like I also have to study I also want to see my wait so you're upset that your boyfriend wanted to have sex with you no I'm upset cuz sometimes when I say no he wouldn't well
01:51:00
Brian Atlasokay that's non-consensual but I'm my confusion here a little bit is it's like he you're saying he would
01:51:11
Brian Atlasforce himself on you is what you're saying okay well that's not appropriate that's nonc consensual the way you were originally explaining it though was he was pushed
01:51:23
Brian Atlaslike he would be like babe I really want to have sex yeah but do do you consider like if he wanted to like you would you consider him being pushy just verbally like hey babe I really want to have sex
01:51:35
Bailey (Philly)we haven't done it no but it wouldn't it wouldn't just be that is the issue but I explained it like that cuz I didn't really want
01:51:43
Brian Atlasit okay um well I'm uh I'm just I guess my confusion and I'm not excusing if I mean if there's not not consent that's in
01:51:56
Brian Atlasabsolutely unacceptable but um if there was this mismatch in terms of the frequency with which you guys wanted to have intimacy uh doesn't sound like this is
01:52:09
Brian Atlaswas a a good fit um uh
01:52:17
Brian Atlasso yeah I guess um any other questions I'm just curious how soon into the relationship did he start forcing himself um I don't
01:52:30
Bailey (Philly)know um like when I got back cuz everything was like fine I think it was the so how
01:52:39
Bailey (Philly)and so you guys were together for a year yes but I it was very you know uh distance like long had you not been with him for 5 months well yeah she was she
01:52:51
Brian Atlaswas in Australia well yeah like you didn't see each other physically for a while for mon so so hold on hold on so you had been intimate previously correct
01:53:01
Brian Atlasand every single time prior to that was consensual correct yes okay um and then you so you'd been with him for a year all your sexual encounters were
01:53:11
Brian Atlasconsensual but then he forced himself when you came back yes okay and because you didn't want to have sex with him he forced it yeah I mean I was changing my
01:53:22
Emilymedication and like getting back on the time zone so it's like can I ask a quick question uh was he financially providing for you at all while you were away no
01:53:34
Bailey (Philly)any anytime throughout the relationship um like hope for dinner like dates and stuff was it pretty standard that he paid for dates yes and no it depending
01:53:44
Bailey (Philly)sometimes I would but like I would get him lots of gifts um like I would be the one to drive down um when we were doing the little bit of the distance when I
01:53:53
Bailey (Philly)was in Massachusetts to visit him um like all of that was on me I drove down like I would get groceries I would like do all this stuff because he's the only
01:54:06
Bailey (Philly)one he was I don't know he still year was the only one in his family in the US um he didn't have like very much help
01:54:15
Brian Atlasfinancially wise like find yeah if that makes sense um and then I mean first off I'm sorry to hear that this happened but
01:54:24
Alexauh did this happen multiple times um I would say did you go did you go the police did you go the university no I mean I'm I'm
01:54:36
Alexagoing cut out real quick here some of these questions are a little hard like this is this is a lot for someone to talk about so thank you for sharing first of all what happened to is not okay and it happens far too
01:54:48
Alexaoften and yeah I'm I'm just going to put my foot down on this one and Ryan can be mad at me but there are certain things that she probably didn't want to come up and talk about this it's not a fun subject you never most of the time girls
01:55:00
Alexadon't come forward because it's you're dating the person so it's like how do you even tell people especially if it was consens consensual at one point so it's it's one of those things
01:55:11
Alexalike it's hard to go through thank you for sharing cuz it's not easy and I hope that you're talking toone about I I have one final question
01:55:19
Brian Atlasyeah you were so upset you were so upset at him because he broke up with you that you wanted to get revenge on
01:55:29
Brian Atlashim and you reported him to the campus for a minor petty theft if your intention was to get revenge on him why
01:55:39
Bailey (Philly)did you not accuse him of something more serious I think cuz in the back of my head I still cared for him a
01:55:49
Brian Atlaslot but I mean your intention here I mean you said you wanted to get you wanted to get him kicked off the
01:55:59
Elinateam and sent back to his country it's very vindictive I'm sorry I just think it's a little different when it's someone that you were in a
01:56:08
Elinarelationship with and there's background there's history um obviously if this was just a random guy I'm sure that
01:56:16
Elinadifferent actions would have been taken but this is just a complex situation where you know you can't really criticize somebody too much for how they
01:56:28
Alexareacted because because of the severity of the situation also it's one of those things it's I I'm just going to be honest with it it's it's you can go forward with it
01:56:40
Alexaand it's what you can prove and when you go forward you get pounded by people having to relive it over and over and sometimes you just don't want to do it
01:56:53
Brian AtlasI get it I agree well I mean that's kind of the extent of my questions you did tell us this story about your ex uh you had
01:57:03
Brian Atlasnot disclosed in your notes here that there was this other uh component of the uh relationship
01:57:17
Emilyum H interesting did you I'm sorry I feel bad because it's like I don't want you to think that I'm questioning you because I want like if you don't want to talk about this no no you're fine I don't even know okay I mean I it's fair
01:57:29
Emilyum I asked about the financial thing earlier partially because I think it's just just to kind of understand what's going on in his head you know going five months assuming he was you know not cheating on you during that time um you
01:57:41
Emilyknow men have needs and stuff and not by no means to justify but just to kind of understand what's going on in his head but I'm curious when that happened um
01:57:49
Emilyyou know following the incident at what point did you like did you immediately were you immediately like wow I was just essayed or did it take time to kind of
01:57:59
Bailey (Philly)come to that conclusion um I think it did take time cuz he was my first relationship and he would say you know
01:58:10
Bailey (Philly)you're you can't you're not you know raping a girl I don't know if I can say that you're I'm sorry I'm sorry uh essay essay you were not um essaying someone
01:58:23
Emilyif you're in a relationship um even if you're not married was that his yeah is that a cultural thing for him um okay I don't know okay just curious okay well
01:58:35
Mason Gregoireum uh I'm trying to think but so I guess like yeah I'm mean obviously uh he he went on he went down on um down some roads that he should never have gone
01:58:47
Mason Gregoiredown um this is obviously essaying some somebody or forcing yourself upon somebody um there is there is the the level of I mean of course
01:58:59
Mason Gregoireas when you're in a relationship with somebody when you're married to somebody and trying to pursue them physically it's you want to make sure that they're
01:59:08
Mason Gregoireokay with this so forcing himself that's terrible um but I I also want people to realize like you said you regretted the
01:59:18
Mason Gregoireoh gosh the the aspect of you anonymously yes telling that uh he did these terrible things after you guys broke up I mean knowing that you have
01:59:29
Mason Gregoireregrets for that that it's not something you practice now like if you went if you were in the same position you wouldn't do the same thing correct uh no I would not exactly so I
01:59:40
Mason Gregoiremean you learned your lessons obviously he like it's never something he should have done those couple times um but you know but I appreciate there is that growth we have a chat coming in oel
01:59:52
TTS/Donationsdonated $200 L Alexa you can't put your foot down if it's not your show go to youtube.com and start your own show friend anyways um we're just going to
02:00:04
Brian Atlasmove on but we have another chat here I do appreciate the uh message Ogle we have uh oh we do have this this came in a little earlier uh see Brian I told you Alexa was one of the good ones thank you
02:00:16
Brian Atlasinfinite Singularity for that and then we have another message coming in from M Mr basan more female privil this is from 30 minutes ago before we got into this topic more female privilege zero
02:00:28
Brian Atlasaccountability downplaying felonies injur injuring Leo brickson White Knight defenser I was scared crime should be punished L California L Society send
02:00:38
Brian Atlasanother asteroid there you go sending it for you man appreciate it uh let's see here thank you for that Ryan Ryan said oh that's below the threshold there it is for the read though uh okay cool
02:00:50
Brian Atlasthank you for that appreciate it guys uh let's get into some of the other pre-show notes here um we'll get into your other notes Bailey you sent some other notes but we'll get into those a little bit later on in the show let's go
02:01:02
Brian Atlasto the other Bailey really quick why don't we switch over to the other Bailey uh you describe yourself as a Godly girl in your Instagram yes oh it keeps going my bad uh are you
02:01:13
Bailey JaneChristian no I grew up Catholic um I even went to a Catholic High School where we had monks as teachers and then
02:01:21
Bailey Janealso just Catholic alumni um I agree in a with a lot that's in the Bible but since I don't agree on everything that's why I'm no longer Catholic and I'm no
02:01:33
Bailey Janelonger anything just yeah existing can we hear that rap or num probably not because I'm not going
02:01:43
Bailey Janeto lie I got to be in a more like upbeat State and yeah I'm kind of yeah sad
02:01:48
Brian Atlasright now okay all right uh do you let's see uh are you a witch is in my notes I don't know why
02:02:00
Brian Atlaswait what made you think that I don't know I saw somewhere in your Instagram that could indicate are you I don't know um so I guess more by
02:02:12
Bailey Janebirth um it's like something I never really wanted to get into like magic and stuff like that I always would try to avoid it but it came to the point where so many people around me were getting attacked to where I like if I didn't get
02:02:25
Bailey Janeinto it I know things would be a lot worse for those around me and myself than they are now so I do Godly magic though I don't do gray I mean um black or white magic I do gray magic which
02:02:37
Bailey Janepeople don't really know it really even exists and how to do it but that's what I do so just for protection magic gray magic gray magic purple magic like if you watch Star Wars there's like that
02:02:48
Brian Atlaslightsaber that's purple lightsaber yeah mace wind is okay uh are you a Satanist um no but I know he exists you
02:03:00
Brian Atlasknow Satan exists yes okay uh all right sure uh we're gonna um oh you did write something here in IG post then we'll get
02:03:12
Brian Atlasyou have other Notes too that we'll get into okay you said before patriarchal times Friday the 13th was a day to honor the divine feminine in the cycles of creation rebirth the number 13 was revered as a symbol of femininity
02:03:24
Brian Atlasreflecting the 13 Moon cycles in the calendar year Friday the 13th was a powerful day to manifest honor creativity and to celebrate Beauty wisdom and nourishment of the Soul yeah
02:03:34
Bailey Janeso a lot of things what um a lot of like sanness I would say and like just people in general in positions of power they're trying to like reverse a lot of things
02:03:44
Bailey Janeand they're using like the same type of magic but just in Reverse just they're trying to yeah they're doing a lot but it's it's a lot it's a deep Rabbit Hole
02:03:55
Brian Atlasvery deep okay uh let's see why don't we get into we'll do uh trying to confuse trying to yeah we we'll uh why don't we go to Ashley Ashley uh you were engaged
02:04:07
Brian Atlasat 19 you got a dog a car apartment and he cheated on you with a girl that he knew from high school and tried to
02:04:16
Brian AtlasFather her baby yeah okay um cheated on you multiple times yeah sent letters to multiple
02:04:25
Brian Atlaswomen yeah uh he was in the military yeah okay that's the uh that was like my longest Rel three year relationship
02:04:33
Ashleyright okay how'd you find out you um you know you just I kind of just had a feeling and then he would always take his phone everywhere and then like two
02:04:44
Brian Atlasweeks before I actually found out he told me to stop weing my engagement ring because he didn't feel like we were in a good place yeah now when it comes to the I guess moving on to the most recent ex that you
02:04:57
Brian Atlasdated for a year you Bro you've been broken up for a year at this point uh the love of your life as you describe him yeah that one um you said that you
02:05:07
Brian Atlaswait you got if I recall you got ghosted by him is that correct yeah like no contact yeah okay you said that did did
02:05:18
Brian Atlasyou say I love you to him on your second date is that what I recall from someone said that in the notes no I feel like last time I told the story I really explained it horribly but um I did tell
02:05:29
Brian Atlashim that I loved him like like three months after we oh three mon yeah somebody here said said it was the second time you met him what was long distance so I guess yes okay H that's
02:05:43
Brian Atlasokay that's different I thought it was like the second date you guys have been talking for a week wasn't the second day uh yeah uh you said that you love him
02:05:52
Brian Atlasbut you're not waiting for him something like that did I maybe I don't know uh I don't know does that ring a bell but really uh so you got and you've had no contact with him for a year no it's
02:06:06
Brian Atlasgoing to be a year and I have not spoken him and he ghosted you yeah okay um you're still are you're still in love with him though I still have a lot of love for him what does I don't know what
02:06:17
Brian Atlasthat means it means that like I'll still have a lot of love for him okay how about this if he contacted you and he was like hi Ashley I want to get back together would you get back with
02:06:30
Ashleyhim I don't think so but I can't tell you that for sure I don't know how I react you mean I mean it's a hypothetical so it's like you can't picture yourself in hypothetical like
02:06:42
Ashleyyou look at you pulled up your phone you look at it now and it's hypothetically I would want to tell you no and I would have enough self-respect but emotionally I don't know okay I could say like yeah
02:06:54
Brian Atlasno by I'd want an explanation why he ghosted you like I yeah okay all right um and uh I'm trying
02:07:06
Brian Atlasto think if there's anything else um do you have anything you want to add to that no not
02:07:13
Brian Atlasreally okay um any other dating related topics that you wanted to hit on not ones that we're not going to hit on
02:07:24
Brian Atlasso no what do you mean like I feel like if if there's one thing that you wanted to contribute to this podcast tonight what would it be
02:07:37
Ashleythat I'm not sure about dating I'm not sure no it's a dating discussion podc I don't have like a specific topic I would talk about I think the last time
02:07:49
AshleyI was on the podcast we like super deep dive into that story and I feel like I explained it horribly wrong but I like
02:07:58
Brian Atlasother than that I don't know sure okay um let's see what else there is we have uh I actually need to get up momentarily I need to use the restroom uh Mason can
02:08:11
Brian Atlasyou uh like ask them a question or something while I uh get up on I'm sure we could figure something out okay do you guys have any takes cuz I've been here at the table for 2 hours
02:08:22
Brian AtlasI need to get up for a moment I know I've been carrying this entire conversation but if you guys can like carry for five minutes while I just get up for a moment would appreciate it
02:08:33
Emilythank you guys I have a hot take I have a lot of hot takes actually I'm kind of scared of like pissing Brian off so that's like I'm like o spooked um but I
02:08:42
EmilyI see my my not Myck left the table my lack of participation to do that um so I one of the things that are what that's in the paper is uh whether or not men
02:08:54
Emilyand women have equal rights and I don't think that we have equal rights but I actually think men get H A Lot legally
02:09:00
Emilyuh I live in Washington and I am in social work um and I definitely see uh I see a lot of women with a tremendous
02:09:11
Emilyamount of power when it comes to their children and you know men men are still legally responsible for their children but meanwhile women you know get to make the decision about whether or not they're going to have an abortion without a man having any say in that
02:09:23
Emilywhatsoever um but can still hold him accountable for child support if she wanted to um and women tend to be the uh first first caretaker that um the courts
02:09:34
Emilymight look at um in the event that you know a parent separate um I I do deal with a lot of cases where you know there's both sides are you know saying
02:09:45
Emilyoh I I suffered domestic violence from the other party and uh I I've certainly dealt with my share of women who have uh been manipulative with that um and seem to to be aware and that's not all just
02:09:58
Emilyto clarify that's not all I wouldn't even say that's necessarily most um but yeah that's that's my that's my hot take right now uh also women don't get drafted so the next time I hear someone
02:10:09
Emilysay where's the law about men like what laws control men's bodies um there it is so just want to get that out on the table
02:10:19
Mason Gregoirenow any Tak I agree with
02:10:26
Emilythat um I don't work in that field so I'm probably not going to be the best like of Interest I feel like I don't think you have to be I think it's I think it's a
02:10:36
Emilypretty broad uh societal issue in in Western World go ahead I feel like I feel like it's a it's different
02:10:45
Arielin each like area because I feel like for me this is just my personal um I feel like with the whole like abortion I feel like it depends on the situation but I do feel like some what depends on
02:10:57
Arielthe situation you know's like there's women who get essayed and there's a bunch of other things it's a very small portion of abortions I just like to make that note not that it's not important but you know I feel like with this
02:11:09
Emilyconversation we tend to look at the exceptions to the rule and I think that's where you know I I don't think it's a fair argument because of a very large
02:11:18
Emilymajority I think it's like 97 98% of abortions uh I'm not super updated on the statistics in the last year or two maybe is that about right uh that's the case so you know if you're if we're going to have a conversation especially
02:11:31
Emilyabout contentious topics we have to speak generally um so yeah okay is is your only point about the that's literally my only Point okay Gosha yeah man nobody has any else hot nobody has
02:11:43
Emilyhot takes on this I feel like this gets me really hated a lot I didn't tell my co-workers about me being on this podcast for this reason fair fair do
02:11:52
Emilythey watch it do you know uh no I I I for a couple months like planted the seed trying to see who was responsive to like hey do you know Brian Atlas or like
02:12:03
EmilyAndrew Wilson or anything like that nobody nobody took the bait so I was like oh I'm clear I did double check with my supervisor to make make sure my job would be safe cuz I love my job but
02:12:13
Mason Gregoireyeah goodness it's kind of wild it is wild you checked with him but you know you never know maybe you just said those things when you get back oh sorry you're fine
02:12:24
EmilyBrian I was saying super the oh my supervisor she's like sorry SES no she she knows a lot of my hot takes I'm very vocal with her about them that's cool cool yeah she's she's a cool lady I I
02:12:37
Alexahave a feeling you'll have people come to you later and be like I saw you on the show I sever I have several coworkers that won ADM if they watch it but they're like I saw you on the show oh God yeah people did that to me they're like I didn't know you going to
02:12:50
Arielbe I was like I didn't even know going to be on oh my goodness I was just in the back and my like the next morning my brother calls me and he's like are you were you like in the back of the whatever podcast just like standing there I'm like yeah I was and he's
02:13:02
Mason Gregoirelike what I was like I didn't know he watched it exactly and also anybody who ever watches the podcast they never say they watch the full episode it's always I always watch Clips I just see Clips
02:13:14
Mason Gregoiresaw you on Tik Tok I saw I saw a clip of this it just popped up I just saw that yeah yeah kind of hilarious no hot takes you guys does anyone else have hot takes has anybody been a
02:13:24
Mason Gregoirecheater no no I feel like even if you did probably most people are not I'm trying have you no oh I love that for you hey I'm curious uh are the relationships that
02:13:38
Emilyyou have been in with these women that are you know just so happen to be long distance which I have so many questions about um it's really hard are you monogamous yes have you always been
02:13:48
Emilymonogamous yes by choice or necessity by choice are they monogamous mhm are any of them involved in like o or anything like that
02:13:59
Emilyno I know it's it's it's just mind-blowing like are the are you you you're from here I'm from Arizona Arizona where in Arizona I'm from like Tempe Tempe Phoenix area okay okay but there's like there's so many people like
02:14:12
Arielwhat's wrong with those people um I dated a girl in college and she lived in my neighborhood we went to high school together and then U we went to college together and then I actually moved and she stayed there so I made the decision
02:14:24
Emilyto leave my hometown and to move to California were you like serious like was this a partner that you considered a longterm relationship with like lifelong yes and no I needed a
02:14:36
Arielexperience life in my early 20s and go do other things I loved being with her but we tried to do long distance cuz I loved her so much but it just was it was
02:14:47
Emilyso hard being who ended the relationship she did she did okay so was hard on her yeah okay it was really hard on me too it was hard I mean yeah it sounds hard I just think it's like I was just curious
02:14:58
Arielcuz you've you're in these longdistance relationships now and I'm like I don't know I just don't know how you that I've only been in like one technically long distance relationship and that's the one
02:15:09
EmilyI'm like with now okay well I guess just it turning into a longdistance relationship interesting do you and your ex still talk huh no no no no no okay
02:15:19
Ashleyhard know on that one no can I ask you um like you being a virgin did that affect your past
02:15:27
Mason Gregoirerelationship is ship uh yeah so I mean yeah yes it did um not because like
02:15:36
Mason Gregoireuh they all wanted to lay with me um no no no it's more my my point of view on relationships is very much um I'm
02:15:47
Mason Gregoirefocused on getting married uh so that's primary focus for me most of the people in the US their primary focus on in dating um even though dating is not a thing that's even mentioned in the bible
02:15:58
Mason Gregoireum yeah their primary focus in dating is am I having a good time do I like this person it's do I have fun with them am I having this fantastic time um in the secondary maybe even tertiary thing they
02:16:11
Mason Gregoireconsider is do I want to get married with this person it's more of like an afterthought yeah um so most of the time when I get in a relationship with somebody or I even go on a first date first second date like I'm you can say
02:16:24
Mason Gregoirehammering them with I'm hammering them with these like really specific like involved questions that need like really detailed answers um like I'm asking them
02:16:35
Mason Gregoirelike their Church Life um uh how many kids they want um things like that like how many people have you been with in the past um yeah just various questions like that cuz I'm trying to figure out
02:16:47
Mason Gregoireit's kind of like a job interview like do you want the job to be my wife um I mean in our first in our first date grilled we grilled each other my
02:16:58
Mason Gregoiregoodness like it I was asking her um so I'm a I'm a Reformed Baptist so I was asking her about the um Five Points of Calvinism she she didn't know what that meant but like um so I'm like I'm grilling her about like doctrinal
02:17:10
Mason Gregoirequestions uh things like that I mean of course we talk about we talk about fun stuff we enjoyed each other's company it was four and a half hours so we got we got four and a half hours you know it's not all grilling but like I mean the
02:17:22
Mason Gregoiremost important part of being in a dating relationship to me is definitely is this person someone I want to marry so so far uh as far as I know I really want to get
02:17:34
Mason Gregoiremarried to Alexa I'm pretty sure she feels the same way about me as far as as far as we can tell and that is our primary goal I mean that's been our primary goal from day one um that
02:17:43
Mason Gregoireusually means like my my longest relationship was a year uh exactly a year um and then uh most of the other relationships have only been a few
02:17:55
Mason Gregoiremonths very short just because we figure out pretty quickly um they realize oh Mason's really into getting married uh is and they kind of realize their goal
02:18:06
Mason Gregoirein being in a dating relationship is very much kind of superficial so did it turn you off to them or did it turn them off to you yes okay okay there have been times where it turns me off to them um sometimes the girls pretty enough to
02:18:19
Mason Gregoirewere like you know you don't want to break up with them but eventually you come to the realization like it's time it's time because it's your primary focus yeah well and I think too so like
02:18:30
Alexafor me I grew up in an environment where I didn't see a lot of really healthy relationships and I used to do re uh user studies and research so for me I'm like I need to see the data okay what is the probability for having a really good
02:18:44
Alexarelationship what are the things you should look for maybe they're things that I don't know cuz if you really ask people how do they date for marriage or what are they looking for people have a really hard time articulating what they want in a life partner so there there's a saying there's a lot of people you can
02:18:57
Alexalove there's few people you can build a life with and like so there's actually a study that was done couple maybe like 15 20 years ago that said and the research showed if you can agree on they they're called the
02:19:10
Alexafour pillars and if you can agree on these four topics with your partner the probability of your relationship lasting is I think 95% but for each one you don't have obviously it's extremely detrimental and
02:19:23
Alexait's funny because like anyone that I know that broke up it's usually two of four and so like number one so the number one reason people get divorced in the US is money fights and money problems how do you value money do you think that your partner should only work
02:19:35
Alexado you think do you want to stay home what there thoughts on that um what is their you know opinion on debt how do they view the future do they spend everything today and hope hope things
02:19:44
Alexawork out tomorrow or are they a planner um number two is in-laws so that's parent siblings you know all those different your friends you know having people in your life that really love and support the person that you're dating um
02:19:58
Alexathree is kids whether or not to have them and how to raise them and four is um religion and so like I know a lot of people they great couple but and it's one of those things like you can be
02:20:10
Alexareligious and you maybe can say oh I don't need to date someone religious we that we respect each other but then once you bring a kid into the mix well okay well now how do we do it cuz I want my kid to go to church and they don't want
02:20:21
Alexatheir kid to go to church or like I had one of my friends it was funny we were talking about this and I was talking to his girlfriend they're no longer together but we were talking about this and they've been dating for a while and she goes oh like I like his family and she goes I don't really get the money
02:20:35
Alexathing and I said and I looked at my friend and I said hey and he's he was raised by a single mom too and I said where's your mom living when you're older he's like oh with me and it's the first time she heard it and she goes I'm sorry what so it's it's really like you
02:20:48
Alexaknow you there are things that people I think always think that you have to have the same Hobbies as your partner when in fact like for me I actually want someone who has different Hobbies I want someone who's open to learning mine and I want
02:20:58
Alexato be open to learning theirs yeah but it's it's do we do our values align on the things that we want so like for him and I we talked about okay what are your thoughts on
02:21:08
Alexamarriage do you expect your wife to stay home and do all the cooking and cleaning um what are your thoughts on kids do you want them to be homeschooled do you want them to be you know going to public school private school Christian school
02:21:21
Mason Gregoireum over are the other questions we grilled each other on I mean it was yeah it was like church life so we were diving into religion I mean it seems like that's probably something we would probably talk about oh yeah I was like I was like do you have debt and you don't
02:21:34
Alexahave to give me numbers but like what are your thoughts on it cuz I I think it's one of those things like if someone says Hey like I have student Debs a reality like a lot of people do but it's okay are you one like I met someone who was dating a girl who thought you can
02:21:47
Alexause a credit card Max it out and cut it up and be fine oh and I was like she doesn't realize you eventually are going to have to pay that she was like no I just cut it off and she goes they'll call me but that's a bad I think that's
02:21:58
Ashleymy issue with dating like I want to leave California because I don't think anybody here has intentions of marriage and that's all I want to be mom and get married it is rare to find literally
02:22:09
Mason Gregoiretook me some girl had to find me through this podcast and uh my goodness gracious and it was a lot I have a quick question for both of you guys um do you guys find
02:22:20
Elinathat it's common um that a date gets scared Away by you bringing up a conversation about the future and important values like children and
02:22:31
Alexafinancials and stuff like that yeah oh yeah I think I think it's how it's not what you say it's how you say it and so like how you said it kind of comes off as a job interview I think if you're dating with intention that's a very
02:22:43
Alexaclear thing that you can set that as a boundary but like the way that I would always bring it up on a first date is like hey I read this study that said you know if you agree on these four things it's very different bringing that up versus like do you expect your mother to live with you in your own exactly yeah
02:22:57
Mason Gregoireyou're not really going that I mean like on our first date we're having a great time we got coffee like great views it was nice weather we're we're enjoying each other's company we're talking about ridiculous stuff funny stuff but then like just bringing that kind of stuff up
02:23:09
Mason Gregoirejust naturally and I mean but the thing is if your priority is I'm going to get married one day I need to know like is this going to work out or am I wasting my time dating you M like cuz when when
02:23:22
Mason Gregoireyou like eventually someone else the random topic comes up oh do you want to have kids and you guys never talked about that it's been like three four five years into the relationship and you're go like I've already invested so much time in this
02:23:34
Alexaperson it's kind of like well and I think I think that's the thing you have to be strategic about when you date is the longer you spend people have this idea of like this Z of
02:23:45
Alexasun cost where it's like well I've spent 5 years if I lose that I have to start over it's like well you should have started in the beginning with okay I'm going down this path with this person I
02:23:56
Alexalike asking there there's a saying that I really like that says people picture their their future as a painting but they say it with their words so it's asking someone hey what like paint the
02:24:08
Alexapicture for me of what you want your future to look like cuz if you I think that's a way that you can ask people like what do they want cuz if if they tell you oh I want you know I'm super entrepreneurial I want like seven companies you're like okay well that's
02:24:19
Alexasomeone's that probably have to work 60 to 80 hours a week you know if if no kids are mentioned or like you know how how do you view your life with your family do you see your Christmas with your parents do you want to start your
02:24:31
Alexaown Traditions how how do you want to you know see that like we we asked all those questions and it was you know I asked him I said cuz his can I I won't say where but like they his family is in North Africa so I'm like okay are you
02:24:43
Alexaexpecting like every holiday to go back to North Africa to see them or you know do you want to make your own traditions and it's it's ask asking those questions and really seeing like what kind of Life Do you want to build with this person
02:24:54
Mason Gregoireand from there you have to choose okay do I want to sign up for that life yeah again it really all is just what is your primary goal when you get into a dating relationship if you want to be married
02:25:05
Alexain the future your primary goal probably should be is this person someone I would want to marry and I think this big thing to know about and I say this about I have I've you know I work in Tech I'm primarily surrounded by by men like
02:25:18
Alexathey'll talk about their relationships here and there and I can't tell you how how surprised I am when a guy goes oh I've been with this girl for 6 years we're just kicking it and I was like she has no idea like does she know that did
02:25:30
Brian Atlasshe sign up for that or is she just kind of waiting around hoping one day he's going to marry her and she's going to have a brutal Awakening getting into some of the notes uh so Alina yes uh you
02:25:42
Brian Atlassay that it's okay to go through each other's phones yes I so you you and your boyfriend you guys go through each other's phones yes you go through his we
02:25:52
Elinahave the same password on our phone so it's just open to whatever it's not like uh you just grab it and go through it it's more like you know it's
02:26:03
Elinajust it's not like a secretive thing that it's like my private property it's just like a phone you know what I mean mhm and uh any other people on the panel here do you think but I mean when you
02:26:16
Brian Atlassay go through each other's phones you're saying you do it with permission is that correct I think if you have suspicions um of somebody being unloyal
02:26:26
Elinathen you can say hey this is really bothering me like I've been thinking about this and this is impacting my ability to trust you um I think the
02:26:38
Elinaother person the I guess the correct thing for them to be um to do is to allow their partner to go through it to ensure that their trust stays solid do
02:26:49
Elinayou think that there are better ways to go about that or is that like the the optimal uh I don't think it's the optimal I think maybe the optimal would
02:26:59
Elinabe to have a honest conversation about your trust problems um yeah I I don't think I would recommend if I had a daughter or
02:27:09
Elinasomething or a son I wouldn't recommend to um go through your partner's phones but maybe if there are suspicions then you can have that conversation and um see what see what they say well do you
02:27:21
Brian Atlasthink it's okay to go through it with this is something that happens without their permission no just to grab in to go through random details who who here at
02:27:32
Brian Atlasthe table has gone through a guy's phone without permit like you just oh it's there I know the passcode whatever boom who's who's done that no you've never come on Bailey you've done that
02:27:44
Brian Atlas[ __ ] no be honest you've done that [ __ ] not even once I it's happened to me Felicity you done he was Che you done that shity I knew my Girl Felicity she's going through those PHS first date she's
02:27:56
Brian Atlaslooking is he talking to some other dude dudes other other guys other girls whatever Bailey number one number two I don't know you guys have to one you guys
02:28:06
Brian Atlashave to fight to the death to see who Jane all right what about you um I have in the past but I wouldn't do that now can you tilt your uh mic down just a
02:28:15
Elinalittle bit but uh okay you did in the past okay Alina have you done it I have what did you find did you find anything I did but it was did you dump him no it wasn't cheating or anything like that it
02:28:28
Elinawas like just a little like hurt feeling whatever what did you find their straps oh it was photos yeah okay it he wasn't like talking to a girl no no but it was in
02:28:41
Elinathe past even this type of thing nowadays would not hurt me nearly as much as it did in the past this was a couple years ago so yeah my mindset has changed on a lot of things since then
02:28:53
Emilyokay I have not looked through a phone but I did look through a journal probably the biggest mistake of my life that was it was it was way worse definitely way worse and it was also that was like the thing he valued the
02:29:05
Emilymost like I trust you he he trusted me to never look at his journal when he was sitting next to me I was 17 I was a real piece of [ __ ] back then nice my current partner shout out to my man he I I never
02:29:17
Ashleydid that to him or anything but he's had to he's forgiven me for a lot of of shitty things that I used to to do and be so Ashley well that's how I found out my fiance was cheating on me but I don't
02:29:29
Alexathink I'd do it again it was the one time trauma that I wouldn't do again okay Alexa that's how I found out my ex was cheating on me so there you go I feel like this I think like we have each
02:29:42
Alexaother's passcodes and I think it's one of those things if you have suspicions you we had that conversation pretty early on in dating too it's like hey how do what are your thoughts on that cuz I got burned that way and it was one of those things he kept changing the passcode and to me that was like the
02:29:54
Alexafirst sign I was like that's weird um but like we talked about that and it's like hey like I I have nothing to hide and I think that's the biggest thing is I I will give you permission and if something feels off you I I would
02:30:07
Alexaask that you would ask me in in like in front and just be like hey can I just go through your phone but like you have the passet we have each other we have permission to do that so it's it's one of those things I think you need to have the conversation about it and if in that
02:30:19
Alexaagreement you say like if someone has suspicions you give them the phone right then and there you don't go through and start deleting things or anything like like you got to both have that trust and that respect for each other I think it's the respect aspect of it it's how you
02:30:30
Brian Atlasapproach it okay uh we're going to get into Alina's other notes here you said alignment on political views is important for relationship I do think it's important because uh nowadays I
02:30:43
Elinathink your political views can say a lot about your moral values as well so which is very important if I could rephrase that I would say moral values obviously
02:30:53
Elinaare very important in a relationship um but I do think political values are important as well because I could not date personally somebody with opposing
02:31:03
Brian Atlaspolitical views yeah that's my I don't disagree you said
02:31:10
Elinaporn ruined dating why do you say that because um well if you give men material to be lost F they're going to be lustful
02:31:21
Elinaif you make that easily accessible the more easily accessible that it becomes the worse the problem will get and I think that uh the amount of porn even
02:31:32
Elinalike so soft can I say the p word or corn or yeah so the amount of just like things like that on the Internet it's uh it desensitizes men I think and I think
02:31:45
Brian Atlasit takes away from the purity of a traditional relationship M would you guys would you women be willing to do the following trade uh porn is banned completely
02:31:55
Brian Atlasbanned men can't watch it this conceivably would have positive impacts on your romantic relationships but and I suppose it would be H I want to make
02:32:08
Brian Atlasthis kind of like one thing banned for men one thing banned so I guess y'all can keep watching women can keep watching porn um porn gets baned for men but so social
02:32:20
Mason Gregoiremedia in exchange gets banned for women would you take that trade [ __ ] yeah yeah do you take the trade for what say it again my bad I have z uh corn for social
02:32:31
Mason Gregoiremedia so like men men can no longer watch corn you can no longer be on social media I would not okay you keep you keep it as is what about you Felicity um I
02:32:42
Arielwould get rid of both get rid of both okay I think that's fine both okay man I don't know I'm going to say for me no just because if my partner is going
02:32:56
Arielto do that they're going to do that they shouldn't do that even if it's accessible but that's just my like is it like wait is it saying like that they're going to watch porn
02:33:08
Mason Gregoirelike my significant other is going to do that no so men are banned from watching it like they are no longer allowed to watch it Well it can't even be made or well hold on we didn't ban for the women though I
02:33:21
Brian Atlasdon't know I don't know it's kind of women have the one I guess women can still uh watch it although it seems to be I mean look I think porn can be an issue for women but
02:33:31
Brian AtlasI think it tends to have like more vast majority more like negative out outcomes when it comes to male consumption by far I think it's still bad if women watch that 100% but you reasonable expect
02:33:44
Emilyunreasonable expectations go both ways but um I was just going to say women women statistically watch some really aggressive things too like extremely
02:33:53
Brian Atlaslike non-consensual type stuff and and like uh the what's it called like the violent like the BDSM and stuff like
02:34:02
Brian AtlasBDSM like rough like rough sex porn yeah uh would would you take the trade I think we should do it anyways yeah okay do you take the trade yeah 100% Alexa do you take the trade yeah I would okay uh
02:34:15
Brian Atlaswho do you think though I'm wondering on this question do you think this is like a men should stop watching it or should women stop participating in its creation oh
02:34:27
Brian Atlasboth of course it takes one for the other to happen it takes but if all women stopped right like it it starts with the women and then the men consume if men's if there was no Supply there would be no consumption yeah if there's
02:34:39
Bailey Janeno demand there's no Supply I mean there's still Supply yeah cuz I was say to the black market they're going to still do it even if creatures it's sad might as well make it legal and try to force it out of the
02:34:52
Bailey Janeblack market and probably do things like it's not regulated at all no I'm saying we should regulate it way more than it is for sure way more that next thing
02:35:01
Brian Atlashere though uh Alina you said fem cells exist I do believe that they're very rare but um I think there are some girls that just cannot get laid well so can
02:35:12
Brian Atlasyou explain what a fem cell is a fem cell is a woman who's involuntarily celibate okay and that's your definition yes okay because I've heard some people
02:35:24
Brian Atlassay um because incel involuntarily celibate that applies to men fem cell it's basically a female involuntarily celibate uh I've heard people have
02:35:35
Brian Atlasdifferent definitions though of what a fem cell is they'll they'll describe it as a woman who
02:35:42
Brian Atlasum can't get sex from the particular man or men that she deems attractive right my which isn't the same
02:35:54
Elinabut you're right it's not the same but my thing about this is if you can get laid by men who you are just so disgusted by that you just can't do it you still can't get laid because that's
02:36:08
Brian Atlasyou know yeah we'll go into that you still have to respect yourself a little bit uh going around the table I don't know if you guys are even like really familiar with this phenomenon whether it's on the male side or the female side uh do you think that there are fem cells
02:36:19
Bailey Janeso these are women who just they can't get laid um I'm sure of course there has to be a decent amount of women out there not a decent I'd say yeah thousands
02:36:31
Brian Atlasmaybe sure what about you do you think there's women out there yeah women do you guys know you have friends who okay what about you Ariel I'm sure there is okay sure yeah I mean statistically it
02:36:43
Emilyseems like impossible that it would be zero but the number I'm sure is very very low and even then like are they using the resources at their disposal to
02:36:53
Brian Atlasreally get it sure I agree with that I think they're yeah yeah I I want to I'm going to challenge you Alina so I I don't think it's actually possible for a woman to be a fem Cale okay to be
02:37:04
Emilyinvoluntarily cibit I think it's just uh it's impossible what if they have like a what if they got on like a terrible fire and they got like all these rashes and stuff and like they're vagina is all
02:37:14
Brian Atlasmessed up and sure yeah well I mean look I I think here's the interesting thing here's the interesting thing is there there are these women who will post on social
02:37:25
Brian Atlasmedia on Tik Tok and they actually Garner massive followings who are sign like very deformed and I'm not look I'm
02:37:35
Brian Atlasare weird I'm I'm empathetic to their uh some some of them have birth defects some of them were in terrible accidents some of them were victims of like
02:37:46
Brian Atlasum uh what's that called sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry [ __ ] brain I don't I don't sorry toaster brain um are you talking about you thr the acid yeah the acid attacks and this sort of thing but uh
02:37:59
Brian Atlassome of these women who are um very deformed and I'm not saying that to me just like it just as a matter of fact they have substantial followings on
02:38:09
Brian Atlassocial media and they get quite a bit of uh romantic and sexual attention from men so even like even granting this like
02:38:19
Brian Atlascrazy scenario where the woman is like among the most unattractive women to have ever existed even these women
02:38:28
Brian Atlascan get short-term sexual access now but when we're talking about involuntary men who are involuntarily celibate we aren't using extreme examples of like whoa
02:38:39
Brian Atlasthese men are like in the bottom percentile of ugliness they're in the bottom percentile a lot of these men are maybe like anywhere from average to
02:38:50
Brian Atlasadmittedly uh unattractive right so they're they're in that frame uh these men despite their efforts they cannot get laid um the difference is though
02:39:01
Brian Atlaswhen it comes to women um this idea of like a female fem cell female involuntarily celibate is sort of this implication that they cannot find men who are sexually interested in them but
02:39:13
Brian Atlasthat's just not the case it me the way I think you probably are using it or at least should use it is that they can't find men of the correct standard that
02:39:24
Brian Atlasare more than sexually interested in them so there's two components there meeting the correct standard that the woman has for men and then more than just sexually interested in them so a
02:39:37
Brian Atlasman who's willing to give her a relationship because there's a bunch of women who are like well I don't want to just have a one I want a loving relationship D D D D involuntarily
02:39:47
Brian Atlascelibate celibacy pertains strictly to sex it doesn't pertain to access to relationships doesn't pertain to whe whether it's a even a continuity of a
02:39:58
Brian Atlasshort-term relationship even if it's purely sexual celibacy sex that's it can you have sex one time with one individual my position on this is is
02:40:09
Brian Atlasthat even if you're a remark if you're in the bottom percentile of appearance when it comes to a woman you can get sex easily easily
02:40:20
Elinado you disagree with this well I agree with your definition of a fem cell that it only has to do with sexual relationships not uh anything more than that um and I do think like you said If
02:40:33
Elinaa woman was to go on social media and say I a fem cell I cannot get late or if she I think you talked about this in the past too if she had a sign on her like holding up a sign she went on the street
02:40:43
Elinaand she said that said like I want to have sex with somebody yes maybe she could find somebody she's she's not an incel then right let's say she did that for like 3 years she was posting on social media trying to look for guys she
02:40:57
Elinawas going on the street with the sign trying to look for guys and eventually she did find someone who would like to sleep with her up until that point she would have been a fem cell well have you
02:41:07
Brian Atlashas have you or has anybody conducted this experiment where they were actively seeking out a sexual encounter and for a a female for a period of 3
02:41:17
Brian Atlasyears wasn't able to get it I've never heard such a thing here's the here's an interesting thing when you you brought up the whole online thing is there were I guess there still are but there are
02:41:28
Brian Atlasfem cell communities there was one on Reddit for example I think they either had to private it or shut it down because these women were complaining about not getting sex and the men on
02:41:39
Brian AtlasReddit were sending hundreds of men were sending these women uh DMS direct messages making themselves sexually available a to these
02:41:50
Brian Atlaswomen to have sex with I think even many of them were offering these women conceivably relationships not just hey I just want to [ __ ] you want no like hey oh I'd be willing to go on a date with
02:42:00
Brian Atlasyou I'll be willing to like you know and so as a woman if you're turning down dozens or hundreds of men who are making themselves sexually available to you even if you consider your fem cell how
02:42:12
Elinacould you possibly be involuntarily celibate you would have to be voluntarily celibate so everyone has um standards on what
02:42:24
Brian Atlasthey would accept to sleep with but sure you know what I mean but I would argue I'll here I'll even I'll
02:42:32
Brian Atlaseven bring it there I believe any female uh incel any uh fem cell I believe that if she makes a good faith effort to try
02:42:42
Brian Atlasto get sex she can get sex with a guy who is at least as attractive as she is if she's a two she can get a two if she's a four she can get a four if she's
02:42:54
Brian Atlasa six she can get a six but what you have happening is you got women who are twos and fours who want the eight or the 10 and those eights and tens aren't get hell they
02:43:05
Brian Atlasmight even be able to get that guy to be honest but so this idea that oh well he does he just doesn't mean my like insanely high standards like if a girl was holding out for a
02:43:17
Elinabillionaire and a guy guy who looked like Brad Pit is she a femo well I'm not talking about extremely high standards I'm just talking about like maybe
02:43:27
Elinahygiene um maybe no STDs something like that and like you said with the Reddit messages um a message is one thing it's another thing if they were to actually
02:43:38
Elinago out of their way to meet this woman and you know go through that whole process you know let me ask you a question though who who here at this table has received a DM from a guy who's
02:43:48
Bailey Janelike willing to fly you out somewhere and he was going to pay for it yeah how many times probably actually not that much but recently a lot recently A Lot
02:43:58
Brian Atlas10 a dozen just 10 yeah Felicity yeah I have you've had that no have you had that yes fly out offers have you had that no no have you had that no actually yeah no okay so I mean there there's a
02:44:11
Brian Atlaslot of differentials between men and women like men a man is if a male is an
02:44:25
Brian AtlasIntel and a girl reaches out to him to [ __ ] he'll pay for the trip he'll pay for the trip bro how how
02:44:34
Brian Atlasmany of you as women you've gotten all these offers to be flown out have you ever like slid into a dude's DM and you said I'mma pay you to come see me have
02:44:46
Brian Atlasyou done that not pay but I said he could come stay with me right but you didn't you weren't pushing it you weren't at the level where you're like I'll take care of everything I'm going to make this happen I'm going to pay for you to come see me that's how much I
02:44:58
Brian Atlaswant you have you have you done that nope no have you done that nope nope no nope nope nope nope okay no so it's like
02:45:09
Brian Atlasthere's just to these differentials here so if a if a male incel had an offer on the table he would move mountains to get it women y'all don't move mountains to
02:45:19
Brian Atlasget dick you won't move mountains to get dick even normal dudes move mountains to get dick you don't think oh these guys trust me they'll move mountains to get some [ __ ] trust
02:45:31
Eliname but it's not classy of a woman to move mountains to get a dick and every woman knows that but but if the standard this is I mean this this is what drives me nuts about most most people when they
02:45:44
Mason Gregoireclaim that gender equality is something we should be pursuing like yes you should have the same rights and I I think we do in America first time in history where equal rights have been granted to men and women fantastic I
02:45:55
Mason Gregoirelove that however it goes to the the equality of outcome the equity argument um people who pursue that uh they will say that out of one side of their mouth