HEATED Debate With Harvard Grad! HER League = Henry Cavill?! Chloe Roma Army! | Dating Talk #261

Date: 2025-09-22

Duration: 8h 09m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlyssa (Harvard)>

MMadam Houston >

SSarah (Baptist)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Chloe Roma(guest)

SPEAKER_04Jenny (UK)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Summer(guest)

SPEAKER_07Alyssa (Harvard)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Britney(guest)

SPEAKER_09Violet(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madam Houston(guest)

SPEAKER_13Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sarah (Baptist)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves including Alyssa playing piano

ControversyBrian challenges Summer: Christian + OnlyFans = vegetarian eating hamburger

Key MomentHarvard verification quiz: Alyssa identifies Annenberg dining hall, Drew Faust as president

QuoteMadam Houston: Kirk died 'doing what he loved, badass way to go out'

ControversyHeated clash between Chloe Roma and Madam Houston

Key MomentBrian negotiates Britney from $500K to $90K in Idaho

QuoteSummer's KFC date: man defecated, took vegan to KFC, ate her ass, stole her panties

ControversySarah vs Brian: Ephesians 5:22 submission debate. Sarah accuses Brian of twisting scripture like Satan.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All guests including Harvard grad Alyssa who played piano live.

Christianity vs OnlyFans

Summer claims God is happy she makes men happy. Sarah dying inside.

Charlie Kirk Memorial

Panel discusses assassination and public response.

Relationship Status Round

Summer single 2 years. Violet never had boyfriend. Britney single 1 month.

Feminism Debate

Brian: feminism is women's advocacy not equality. Jenny: all women are 10s.

Body Count Round

Summer 8. Britney personal <10/work 100+. Jenny ~30s. Chloe 11.

Bow/Submission Segment

Brian shows ex bowing video. Sarah vs Brian on Ephesians 5:22.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas>> bat broad talking here because >> let's get Sarah a Viking. Go to Scotland girl. Thorough big. >> We are about pretty cool.

Chloe Roma>> All right. Uh Chloe, what about you? Height. Any height requirements? >> No, I'm 5'9. I've dated taller, shorter. All right. I don't discriminate. >> All right. Let me narrow in here on uh

Brian Atlasour good friend. Let me What did you write? Uh, you wrote, you said 5'11. The guy has to be 5'11 >> minimum. Yeah. >> And he has to make $500,000 a year.

Britney>> In California, you know, when you're taking care of two households, it's like when you commit to me, you're also committing to what I come with. >> How big?

Britney>> Okay. You really want that answer? I don't like them big. I think that big one >> because you used to do porn. So, I feel like if you used to do porn, feel like you're kind of >> they're overrated. Uh-uh. You don't like the >> Uhuh. No BBC.

Brian Atlas>> I 100% agree with you. >> All right. Well, anyways, um >> I I feel Look, Britney, I love you. You're a nice gal. >> Got to give you a little I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Go for it. >> 40 sex worker. Ex sex worker. Porn ex porn star. Single mom.

BritneyTo be fair, your kid's older or whatever. So I I don't know. >> 500 thou. You want a guy make $500,000 a year and he's got be 5'11. >> Think you gota, you know, >> in the state of California in California

Britneyterms. And when you're committing to me, like I said, you're committing to taking care of two households cuz my mother, >> you know, so it's one of those things, you know, and if I'm if I'm the one at

Britneyhome, I'm taking care of the homeront. I'm his piece. I cook. I clean. I take care of everything and anything that he comes with. So, say if he has parents, then I'm also taking on that responsibility and those traditional roles.

Brian Atlas>> So, and like I said, the cost of living here in California is >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yes, it's very expensive in California, but $500,000. That's a 1% man. Then you want him to be 5'11. That chips away even further.

Madam Houston>> 500 before taxes. >> That's even worse. >> I think it's fair in taxes. Before, not after. I think it's fair what she's asking for, especially if she can. It's a equal amount of give and take. Like

Madam Houstonyou sound like you could be a good woman. You could have sex, sexually satisfy your man, take care of him, do all of that. And I think that's fair to ask for when you know you're the type of woman that you're looking for in a man. >> What's the age range of guy you're

Britneywilling to date? >> Um I definitely nothing under the age of probably 37. >> Okay. 372 >> older.

Britney>> 50. >> Will you Will you date a 60-year-old? 70 >> year old. >> I don't know if I would have a connection with a 70-year-old. >> 50 is 50 year cut off. >> I mean, that's only 10 years older than you. >> Don't move the mic. Just put put it to

Britneythe edge. >> I I mean, 50 is only 10 years older than me. >> So 5 What's the cut off? 55, >> let's say. Yeah, 57. >> 57. All right.

BritneyThat's probably the cut off, but that comes with a lot of things. They have to have like common interest as far as like health, a healthy lifestyle, like want to thrive to be healthier and you know what they put in their body, you know, versus just

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> it slothing around. >> I guess look, my again just my issue here is so okay, here's what you want. $500,000 a year, 5'11. And there's probably other things you

Brian Atlascare about, too. Like he can't be a piece of [ __ ] He has to obviously like you back. He has to be like probably somewhat pleasant. Whatever. Whatever. >> 100%. I definitely have a few things that are absolute no-gos for me. >> Yeah. Like >> I will never ever in my life

Brian Atlas>> date a wai. >> Date a liberal again. >> Oh, liberal. Okay. >> Ever. >> Well, >> I can't do it. >> Do liberals make good money? I don't know. You're probably fine. Just kidding.

Brian Atlas>> Some of them do. Anyways, uh wait, you won't date the liberal. Oh, now that puts you in more trouble though, I think cuz like I feel like a liberal guy might be more

Britneyforgiving of the sex work. >> Well, when I meet that my person, all of that's done. That's on out the window. That is no longer a part of my life. >> Well, >> I mean, it's always going to be attached to me. Yes. 100%.

Britney>> However, >> who I am moving forward, who I am as a wife, who I am as if we have children >> is completely separate. to have children. >> I would consider I would >> want you want more kids.

Britney>> I would love to have another child. Absolutely. I'm giving myself maybe like about two years. >> Yeah. You got you got >> I have some time on that [ __ ] >> So, >> um but hold on. But men care about a woman's past. >> 100%.

Britney>> Especially a conservative guy. >> Oh, 1,000% they do. >> So, that could be a bit of a problem. >> Well, then I'm just going to keep praying on it and waiting for it because >> it'll come. I like I said I I can never

BritneyI can never ever in my life again >> and no offense to anybody at this table but I can >> you can offend. It's okay. >> I I can't do it. I absolutely cannot do it. >> Can't do what? >> Um data liberal ever again in my life.

Brian Atlas>> Ask why? [Laughter] >> Like that might be a story for a long time. >> Is it the pegging like they want to be pegged? Is that >> that's what it is, right? It's not that,

Britneybut it's not too farfetched from the com. It's the lack of masculinity. It's the um they they want they want you to hold their not literally and actually, but they, you know, figuratively want

Britneyyou to hold their skirt while they curtsy. and it's like this this equal opportunity thing, but I still want you to embody all these feminine traits, but I still also want you to do da da da da

Britneyda or there's just like certain things um that I just can't get like I can't wrap my head around and be okay with it. You know, for an example, if we were to have more

Summerchildren, there's no way in hell I'm going to marry somebody who's going to be okay with filling them up with vaccines. M. >> Oh, can I >> just I'm I'm anti I'm not vaccinated. My

Summerparents are antiax. Okay. And I am the sickest person you'll ever meet. Aren't I? I'm sick all the time. And I didn't have a choice to be antiax or like I don't have any vaccinations. Like >> would you look at that? A TTS just came

SPEAKER_00through. >> Donated $200 for chair three. The former porn star. Best I got is $50 and six piece McNuggets. Bonus style humble. Take it or leave it, daddy. >> Daddy. Daddy. >> What the [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Oh, >> he said it's from daddy. >> He he uh he's saying best he can do is $50 in six piece at McDonald's. Will you >> take it or leave it? >> Take take him up. >> And in the words of the gentleman in um

Violethangover to [ __ ] >> if he's got $200 to be dropping on that comment, I feel more than my guy. I think even if you're even if you're a

Britneybillionaire, you should take a girl >> first date. First couple dates >> or act as broke as you can. >> McDonald's. >> Yeah. >> McDonald's. Maybe in America. >> Oh, yeah. >> Well, maybe even the first date, something a little bit shorter because

Britneyyou don't know if that first date you're going to want to escape. I am all for >> that. That might be a little too long. I'm all, listen, I am all for a coffee date for that first date because that

Britneygives you enough time to kind of pick up on the energy, but then to be like, I'm good. And then the following up with the, you know, >> can we get you, you know, look, I'm just I'm trying to help you out here. You know, I'm trying to help you out. I'm

Brian Atlashere for it. >> Can we get you down? Let's do a little negotiation. Can we get you down to 56 and 70,000 a year as your minimums? 70,000 a year in the state of

BritneyCalifornia. >> Into the into the mic into the mic. >> 70,000 a year in the state of California. >> Yes. >> And last just say >> after taxes >> still 70,000 a year the state of California.

Brian Atlas>> Look, you guys can have a very >> I don't think nobody should be dealing with somebody that can't maintain. >> You guys will be fine. Just live in Rita. You'll be fine. >> She's asking for somebody that can maintain her. So that's >> SF.

Britney>> I think that's pretty I would be >> it's beautiful this time of year. >> The SFV >> San Fernando Valley. >> Yeah. >> Along with you know like the Inland Empire and all you know >> Bakersfield. >> Bakersfield. Absolutely.

Britney>> Let's send you to Bakersfield. >> But there actually though in Bakersfield there is that is a be there is parts of it that are absolutely gorgeous. But let's talk about this the the stereotype of Bakersfield which is the devil's armpit. Yeah. >> And oh lordy.

BritneyBut, you know, do you think we could get you >> 375? 375. >> No, no, no, no. Absolutely not. >> Well, it it's just it's like you got take care like there's two there's two households I want and if and like I said

Britneyin California, >> you know, outside of California >> Yeah. >> Did I sell like that? >> You did. Go ahead. >> There's a little bit of a draw there. >> Outside of California, it's different, you know, and it's true. >> And it's like then it's like in the same

Britneybreath, it's like if I >> Okay. come with, you know, my farm, my ranch, and I have everything that I need to raise and grow myself. >> You sure you want the homestead? That's just a lot of work. >> Oh, I love it. My father retired from

Britneythe entertainment business and bought a home and some land in Kentucky in '98. And he's the healthiest man I know. And and he that's all he does is he farms. And >> expensive though. >> Not once you get it going. Once you get it going, you don't need much.

Britney>> Where you going to go? Idaho. >> Actually, there are some places in Idaho that are absolutely beautiful way north. >> Here's what we're going to do. We're gonna get you Idaho $80,000

Britney5 foot8 final offer. Take it or leave it. >> Can I go down an inch and up about 20?

Britney>> You want to You want to It's 57 and you want to get to what on a good day. >> You want 100K. >> If If I had to really calm down, but I'm

Brian Atlasgonna be careful what I speak and what I let leave. I can do 90,000 and half an inch. >> Final offer. >> Final offer for the next 24 hours. I'll take it.

Brian Atlas>> Are we talking inches off of height? >> Height. >> Wait a minute. Daddy, >> would you rather >> Can you guys mute that back there? Would you rather Would you just

Brian Atlas>> Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike? Starting with you. >> Oh god. >> Oh wait, sorry. One thing before

SPEAKER_00Blaze donated $200. >> Jeffrey is in delusion world. >> Delusion calculator says she is hoping

SPEAKER_00for a top 1% guy. Better drop one zero and consider a guy making 50k. Top 1% guy can get a 22 year old. >> Donate 400.

Brian Atlas>> You want kablask? Are you wanting to date her? Is >> would I? >> Yeah. Kablas >> is Kablaska liberal >> 40.

Britney>> Uh single mom ex porn star kid lives with lives with mom. >> Yeah. So up north cuz he goes to school

Brian Atlasup north in a smaller town. So >> it's not LA is not for certain caliber of child. >> You do want a 1% guy. Are you a 1% woman? >> Yes.

BritneyI could absolutely be that for the right person and and make changes and alter certain things. Like I said, my past is going to always be my past. That will never leave. But the woman I'm becoming

Britneyand the woman I am for the right man >> has nothing to do and how I am for him and the family that he wants to create and

Britneythe home that he yearns for. >> 5 foot five, $40,000 a year. Final offer. We we already shook up we we already shook up the deal. We did a verbal deal shake.

Brian Atlas>> I'm re I'm reagging on the Okay. Uh would you rather cross paths with a random bear or random man in on a hike? >> By random bear, is that opposed to a bear that I know?

Brian Atlas>> Uh random bear. So you don't know you don't know either of these people, >> right? Uh I I think a man. >> Okay. What do you pick? >> It depends how hot the man is. >> He's average.

Jenny (UK)>> Maybe a bear. Okay. What about you? >> A man. >> Okay. >> I guess it depends on the circumstances. >> Okay. So, >> what circumstances would you want to run

Jenny (UK)into a bear? >> I mean, it depends if the man gives me like >> Sorry. It depends. If the man is giving me a bit of a weird vibe, >> it's a random >> It's a rando. >> Oh, well. >> He could give a weird vibe.

Madam Houston>> You don't get to You don't get to inspect the energy. It's either pick or chase >> then. Yeah. >> Okay. What about you, Texas? >> I think anybody that picks a bear is just trying to be provocative. Like, I would rather run into a man any day than a bear.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> Okay. What about you? >> I say this every time I'm asked this question. I don't care. I would never go hiking alone unarmed. Anyway,

Brian Atlas>> so it doesn't American girl right there. >> But if you were uh if you were on a hike and you had to pick one, which would you

Britneypick? Oh, I mean the man. I would feel terrible if I had to shoot a bear, >> right? Same. >> That was such a good answer. All right. >> You want to be a man? You

Sarah (Baptist)>> All right. What about you? >> Terrible joke. >> I wrote that I would take on both as long as it's not a woman scorned. >> You wrote feminist here, but okay.

Brian Atlas>> Interchangeable. >> So, if you had to pick one though,

Brian AtlasI don't know >> if you had to pick. Oh boy. All right. I'm just going to skip Chloe. What about you? >> Uh, >> not not You had your chance. >> You dug your own grave. Now lay in it.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Don't get to participate in this really important segment. >> Boy, what do you pick? >> Yeah, obviously a man. >> All right. There's nothing really, nobody provided anything for me to push

Brian Atlasback on. So, um, questionnaire here. Questionnaire. Oh, okay. Um, h >> sorry. >> Uh, I guess question. Who here considers

Brian Atlasthemselves a feminist? Do you consider yourself a feminist? >> I do. >> You do? Okay. Would I feminist? >> Absolutely not. >> Feminist. Feminist. >> It depends on the definition of feminism. No.

Chloe Roma>> Okay. Chloe, are you are you a feminist? Chloe, >> I'm I'm a basic like level. Like I think I would fight for a woman's rights just as much as a man's. But am I if you in my textbook definition of what feminism

Brian Atlasis today? Absolutely not. >> All right. >> Like you're looking at fourthwave current feminism and how like what that movement stands for today. >> Yeah. I Right. >> Something like that. Really quick, I

Brian Atlaswanted to do a dating question. We're going to come back to the feminism. Uh, I might have stepped away when you were talking about this. You're single, correct? Yes. >> Everybody here is single except for you. >> I'm not single.

Violet>> And and Chloe. Okay. Uh, have you ever had a boyfriend? >> Um, not exactly. >> Do you currently have a guy in the picture? >> No. >> Have you ever had a roster?

Violet>> A roster. >> Yeah. Um, no. >> She's 18. She's a baby. >> No, I have never had a roster. >> Okay. Um, you have had a boyfriend or >> No.

Violet>> What's the longest period of time you've dated a guy? >> Um, couple months. >> Couple months. Okay. And you've been single for how long? >> Well, if I've never had a boyfriend, I guess like 18 years.

Brian Atlas>> Well, since the last time you were like involved romantically at all with somebody. One year. Okay. Have you When did you move here? Just like a couple days ago. >> To Santa Barbara. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you just got here. Any prospects yet? No,

Brian Atlas>> nothing. >> Hardly left the dorm. This is like the first thing I've done. >> Dating apps, anything like that? No. Okay. Have you met any guys at the dorms or? >> No, not really. >> I literally moved in like yesterday. >> And when does school start? Is it this week?

Violet>> The 25th. >> The 25th. Okay. Have they had like orientation type stuff where they were like, >> "Yeah, there were multiple orientation periods during the summer and you can pick which one to go to?" Mine was in

Brian Atlaslike early July. Do do they do like tutorials like uh like anything related to dating or not dating but like >> in orientation for college

Brian Atlas>> like consent >> like anything around life skills maybe? >> Yeah, I would. Yeah, I think so. >> Like did you have like a consent tutorial where they're like >> God I can't even remember. Um I mean

Brian Atlas>> how to do it yet? But there's like a training thing that you have to do at UCSV. It's insane. We can do it. I think I still haven't done it. >> Is it It's on just the web the internet. You can just find the >> Yeah, maybe you and I can figure out

Brian Atlasanother time. >> Yeah. Yeah, sure. Okay. I was just curious about that. Um but it sounds like you haven't done >> Well, they talk about resources and stuff, but they don't give you a tutorial on consent. >> Oh, okay. Maybe they haven't done it

Brian Atlasyet. I don't know. I've heard something where they you do have to I don't know, read a pet >> like training or something. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh All right. So, you're a feminist. Yes, I am. >> Uh, when you describe yourself as a

Violetfeminist, what do you mean? >> Uh, I believe the feminis, excuse me, feminism movement is centered around empowering women and um making sure that women are treated equally to men. >> Okay. Do you feel like women are not

Violettreated equally? >> Of course. >> How so? >> Uh, in many ways, I feel like women are uh respected less than men. I feel like women are obviously paid less than men. We could talk about the wage gap or whatever, but that's a, you know,

Violetbeating a dead horse. Um, >> what what do you mean? >> I'm sorry. >> How would it be beating a dead horse? >> Well, I just feel like that's the argument that people bring up in every >> Okay. >> in every conversation. >> Sure. Are there are there other things? >> Um, yeah. Again, I feel like women are

Violetrespected less than men. I feel like women are sexualized more than men. Um, I feel like women are uh I don't know like put in positions

Violetmore often where they have to fight for their rights more than men do. >> Which rights are those? >> Pick one. All of them.

Violet>> Which one? >> I mean like speaking their mind, being able to like >> Well, the first amendment freedom of speech is not gender specific.

Violet>> No, it's not. You're right. But um I I guess maybe less of a a right in the legislative sense like you were said before, but more like the right to be listened to and respected. >> Wait, you said the right to speak your

Brian Atlasmind? >> Do you do you genuinely think it's the case that women are like somehow prohibited by the state? >> That's not what I meant. Not speak your mind, more like >> I feel like when women do speak their

Violetmind, they're listened to less and held to a not >> Do you think this is reflected in social media? What do you mean? >> Well, for example, I would make the argument that there's like,

Brian Atlassorry guys, phone going off. I'd say that there's way more women who are participating in social media and like propagating their feelings and opinions. Like I'd say, I don't know what the precise

Brian Atlasnumber is. I couldn't cite to some study, but women are far more involved creating and posting on social media. While men also do this too, it's like a much uh smaller proportion of men who

Brian Atlasengage on social media. You look at t Tik Tok, Instagram, etc., it's overwhelmingly women who sort of dominate on these platforms. And if you like whether it's like making silly

Brian Atlasdance videos or like spreading rhetoric or whatever, you see far more women engaging in that sort of thing without any sort of reprisal or like limitation on their speech either platform wise or

Violetby the government. Well, sure they're engaging in it, but like I said, sorry, I revised what I said before. Of course, everybody has free speech, whatever. But I don't feel like women are taken as seriously >> by who? >> Everyone. Even even other women. Even women. Yeah,

Brian Atlas>> women take women less seriously, >> I believe. So, >> what if I told you there was a study that indicated that actually women have an in-group bias. They have a strong in-group bias for other women and then

Violetmen actually have an outgroup bias, slight outgroup bias for women. >> Yeah. Well, I think that makes sense, but that doesn't necessarily I mean, what do you mean by in-group bias? Just who you feel more comfortable with?

Brian Atlas>> I mean, I know what in bias means, but >> yeah, it could be. So, an ingroup bias would basically be like if you're a woman, your in-group is women. Your out if you're a man, your out group would be women. >> Yeah, I know. >> So, if you have an ingroup bias, you

Brian Atlashave a bias towards your same, you know, what it could be, it could be race, it could be gender, it could be, whatever. Uh, it could be your political affiliation. So women have an ingroup

Brian Atlasbias towards other women and then men have an slight outgroup bias. >> I know what ingroup bias and outgroup bias mean. I mean what what is the bias? Like what are they biased to? >> Oh sure it could manifest in all sorts

Brian Atlasof ways like women will have a greater tendency to you you seem to make the claim that even other women don't show respect to women. I would make the counter claim that I actually think women tend to show more respect to other

Brian Atlaswomen and have less respect towards men. So that would be like an example of an ingroup bias that women are going to value the words of other women over the words of other men

Chloe Roma>> or the statistic that women will most often um excuse the same behavior they wouldn't excuse from men just because a woman's doing it. >> Sure. Well, I think that comes from a

Violetand I feel like, you know, every conversation about feminism turns back to this eventually, but I feel like the ingroup bias just from my own personal experience and perception of other women

Violetcomes from the idea of safety and women feel more safe around other women. And so, um, the beh like an example of a behavior like what do you what do you mean like a behavior they would excuse? I don't think I don't think you're

Chloe Romawrong. I just want to >> um Oh, that's a good question. Let me think of a a good um example. Uh

Chloe RomaI don't know. It's it's tough to put to put an example on it. I think that we will see okay you know uh for example you know women will get together at like brunch or something and they'll participate in the you know maybe the

Chloe Romaculture of like [ __ ] on your husband and like complaining about your husband and stuff. Whereas if men were sitting at the same table >> um debating how shitty their wives were, like that wouldn't necessarily be accepted. But as women, we tend to let

Chloe Romaeach other pass on certain toxic behaviors just because we're women. I mean, it it can really be anything. It it can go from like sexual >> I think that's just inroup bias in general where you like I'm men do the

Violetsame thing for them. I'm sure that if men heard a bunch of women [ __ ] on husbands, they would be upset, but I I know for a fact that men get together and [ __ ] on their wives and girlfriends. So >> Okay. Mhm. >> Oh, we have a message here from

SPEAKER_00>> Blask. >> Donated $200. >> Sorry. >> Not interested in dating ch feminism is ruining the USA. What's the panel's

SPEAKER_00thoughts on the shift towards the whole Passport Bro movement? >> Southeast Asia women are where it's at. >> Anybody have any thoughts on the Passport Bro? >> Could you explain? >> I actually have some thoughts on this. I

Alyssa (Harvard)worked on cruise ships for a few years and we see a lot of that where either American or European men are seeking uh

Alyssa (Harvard)basically what a passport bro is they obtain a passport to for the purpose of going and seeking a wife or girlfriend in another country. Uh in a lot of these

Alyssa (Harvard)countries, there are far less opportunities for women financially and academically. And they are also come from cultures that tend to be more

Alyssa (Harvard)conservative, more subservient, and more religious, therefore making them way more of a traditional wife and mother. >> Additionally, a lot of these women are

Alyssa (Harvard)coming from countries where they have far less opportunity. First of all, the GOP of these countries is way less. So what might seem like an average or like

Alyssa (Harvard)not great salary in our standards is a very very rich man in the Philippines or Cambodia. Um, additionally,

Alyssa (Harvard)because of things like human trafficking, um, in certain parts of the world where there are where women actually do not have the same legal standing, it is a very attractive offer

Alyssa (Harvard)for a woman from one of these countries to come to the US and live a new life as the wife of an American man or a European man. >> I see. And um I worked on cruise ships

Alyssa (Harvard)for several years. So a lot of the cruise companies are not American flagged and they purposely do this with the intent of hiring large amounts of workers from other countries where you

Alyssa (Harvard)don't have to pay them the minimum wage where they are working for 9 months at a time because they have excellent work ethic and they you know will go home at the end of that

Alyssa (Harvard)contract with what might not seem to a great salary to us but is makes it you know they're the richest person in their village. um in the cruise culture um for

Alyssa (Harvard)a lot of those Filipino and Indonesian women, if you can get an American or European man to get you pregnant, then like you're considered set for life, like your child and your life and you

Alyssa (Harvard)are going to like move to that country and um I I can I can see the appeal as to why American men are doing it because they first of all they're, you know,

Alyssa (Harvard)unique and and exotic. like they don't look like everybody else in the countries that these women are coming from. And these women tend to be subservient and uh good mothers and and

Alyssa (Harvard)religious. However, I think something that is not talked about at all. And I is is how careful you have to be because

Alyssa (Harvard)for a lot of these women if your choices are you're either going to be trafficked or have to get involved in the sex trade and and not in the you know optional way

Alyssa (Harvard)that you're doing it like in in places where this is very much a reality for women because they don't have the opportunity. Um they will do anything to get out of the country that they're in

Alyssa (Harvard)or the situation that they're in. And you do see men falling victims of being of a fraud um of women lying about not

Alyssa (Harvard)being married about women scamming men. So while it has become a more attractive option for a lot of men in this country,

Alyssa (Harvard)I think it also needs to be talked about just like meeting anybody else online or the potential risks that are involved and how you can get scammed out of thousands and thousands of dollars by

Alyssa (Harvard)just trying to, you know, >> get away. I mean that's unfortunately like a lot of men are scammed not even with just foreign women but with you know these fake Facebook profiles and

Alyssa (Harvard)because you know they these scammers take advantage of these men being lonely and just wanting a connection and wanting love. So um it's pretty big right now. I don't know if uh how big it

Summeris for you guys in in Scotland and the UK. I know that um Thailand has banned uh like white males from coming into certain places because they're taking advantage of the women.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> So obviously that's not good. I >> I think I was reading actually there was a pretty interesting story. It was a group of older women from the UK that were going over to some African country

Alyssa (Harvard)and they were like doing it reverse. Like they were, you know, finding these like young buff tall like African uh dudes and they were just like living their best, you know, grandma grandma life.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> They should. Do you think they could just be using them for the green card or the money? Well, you did say. >> Oh, absolutely. Oh, green card marriages. That is also a huge thing like in the cruise industry that I've seen. >> Yeah. I don't know how I feel about

SPEAKER_03passport bros. I mean because I think a lot of them just want the green card or the money. >> Oh, for sure. For I I think it's reckless to like encourage

Alyssa (Harvard)>> to encourage anything without like the proper warning and especially when the you know the odds are really great that you can be taken advantage of and you can be the victim of a scam and fraud.

Alyssa (Harvard)And anytime your emotions get involved in it, that's when people are more susceptible to fall for those sorts of scams. >> What are we talking about? >> Passport Bros. >> Passport Bros. Isn't that an American

Summerthing? >> I think it is. Yeah, we've never heard very common. >> Damn. Uh, wow. How long was that monologue going on for? >> I I was Yeah, I rambled.

Brian Atlas>> I tend to do that. I'm sorry. >> No, I mean, I think you made some good points, though. >> He did. He did. couple of queen. >> Uh, okay. So, back to this feminism thing. You were saying something about women's rights. What was that? >> Uh, I don't remember.

Brian Atlas>> Like women don't have rights or something or >> uh we were talking about inroup outgroup bias. >> Oh, yeah. I'm I'm over that. I'm >> You're over that. >> Well, I'm just I stepped away. I'm bringing it back to kind of the original

Violetconversation. and you were making claims about like women not having rights or what like why are you feminist I guess I don't know >> uh I'm a feminist because I believe that

Violetwomen should be regarded in the same image as men. I don't believe well first of all I think we should get to a consensus on what we our belief of feminism is because there's been a lot of talk about what feminism we're talking about. So if you guys want to

Brian Atlaschime in. >> Okay I'll chime in. Thank you for that. I appreciate it. >> Uh so okay I'll give you two definitions. I'll give you my charitable definition and I'll give you what I actually think is real. My charitable

Brian Atlasdefinition of feminism would be feminism is a women's advocacy movement. That's the charitable definition. Nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but let's not parade around this farcical nonsense

Brian Atlasthat feminism has anything to do with equality. Equality and women's advocacy are two different things. femin feminism has nothing whatsoever to do with equality despite the many uh

Brian Atlas>> do you mean >> attempts attempts at no point has feminism ever been about equality but >> it's a it's a woman's advocacy movement nothing wrong with women's advocacy but again we shouldn't paint it >> as something it's not we should try to

Violetbe honest we should never lie >> I can't agree that it is an equality movement and people tw okay if you disagree I think that it is a women's or you know equality movement. I think that

Brian Atlaspeople twist it but I think at its core feminism was born out of the desire for women to be regarded in the same >> image as men. >> Now now I still do need to give you my actual definition but I'll to engage on the charitable definition. I'll explain

Brian Atlaswhy I don't believe it's an equality movement. So feminism or feminists rather will at times fight for equality only if said equality stands to benefit

Brian Atlaswomen. Oh, >> so if there is a form of equality that somehow conceivably came to the detriment of women in some way, for example, if women conceivably had some

Brian Atlasprivilege over men, they of course would never try to equalize this privilege or equalize whatever it was that was granting women the privilege. So for this reason, if women or excuse

Brian Atlasme, if feminists won't fight for equality across the board, even in in situations where perhaps uh securing equality would be for the benefit of women, but especially if it's to the

Brian Atlasdetriment of women, you can't call yourself an actual equality movement if you only seek equality in specific positions where uh privileges women. So for example, I'll give you an example because you might be like, well, what

Brian Atlashow so? oftentimes feminist organizations will fight against things like equal uh custody, the the granting of equal custody when it comes to child custody disputes. The other the most

Brian Atlasclear one to me would be military conscription, the draft. So >> I was going to say >> feminists, >> it would it would create equality. It would create equality between men and

Brian Atlaswomen to make women subject to forced military conscription. But feminist movement is not really trying to either. And you might say, "Well, why don't we just get away with get rid of the

Brian Atlasdraft?" They're not even fighting for that. And uh or they could fight for, well, women should be drafted, too. >> Women have had the right to vote since when was it ratified? 1920.

Brian AtlasMaybe that the law was passed in what? 1918, ratified 1920. Whatever. Women have had the right to vote for over a century. In order for men to be able to vote, they have to be subject to the selective service, forced military

Brian Atlasconscription. We've had a century of feminism. They've still for some reason just been refusing to acknowledge this inequality that exists between men and women as it relates to the right to vote. That's sort of interesting to me.

Brian AtlasThat's sort of the right to vote. Women's suffrage is basically the genesis of feminism. How could you overlook this totally inequal where it basically says women, you can send men off to war, but you can never

Brian Atlasface any of the actual physical ramifications of said war. But men, women can send men off to wart and and die basically through their vote. This seems like

Violetextremely unequal. So I guess how would you reconcile? >> Well, I think that is a good point and I think that that's it is part of the same discussion, but it's also I think unrealistic to imagine that any group

Violetwould go out of their way to make things worse for themselves. I don't think any, you know, uh like marginalized group would do that. I but I also think I do think that's a good point and I think

Violetthat that is for sure part of the discussion but I also think that it the you know main goals of feminism are not to do with the draft like I think >> but then let's not call it an equality

Brian Atlasmovement let's call it what it is a woman's advocacy movement which again I don't have any quarrels with women's advocacy >> but >> your contention was about the term equality and my same with me my contention is is also with the term

Madam Houstonequality. >> Well, here's why I think it's equality. Because it's advocacy in the in the um areas where women feel marginalized. >> In my opinion, I don't think that women

Madam HoustonI think the feminist movement I think they kind of lost their way. So, at first it was about equality, but now they it's more so about women having the upper hand and I don't think that's the point of a movement. So, they kind of

Madam Houstonequity now. They kind of lost their way. And so now they're more for women have more power than men. And I just think that's misconstring the point of the movement in the beginning. So now I

Madam Houstondon't think that women are actually feminists. I think they just hate men cuz they don't actually be for women. And that's my second. I think all that [ __ ] is fake in my opinion. >> That's my second definition. We'll get

Brian Atlasthere in just a moment. But what would you call it if men lived in a society where they were trying to protect their privileges that they had over women? >> Aren't they That doesn't answer my question. Go ahead.

Brian Atlas>> What would I call >> Yeah. Like a society where men had privilege over women and perhaps it could be it would be detrimental to them to lose their privileges. What would you call that? >> Patriarchy. >> Yeah. I mean, sure.

Violet>> So essentially what you're saying like feminism is the counter like is is the mere opposite of patriarchy then? >> But I don't think I I think you're pushing a certain narrative where women are actively fighting against the draft,

Brian Atlaswhich I don't see that often. I would say I would say cuz you were saying well like who's going to obviously nobody's going to advocate for something that would like come to their detriment. I mean if you're one thing to say that it's something's coming to your

Violetdetriment and it's another thing to saying I'm protecting I don't want to lose my rights. Like you're what you just said was that um a society where men want to protect their privileges over women which is a problem. I don't think women are trying to protect their

Brian Atlasprivileges over men. So, a component of feminism is trying to protect existing female privileges that women have that men don't. >> I can give a good example. You're saying the draft

Chloe Roma>> the uh like the patern uh what is it? Legal paternal surrender, the paper abortion stuff. >> You know me so well. Yeah. So, there's there's a bunch. I think you made I think you made a good point. I would classify you as first wave feminism

Chloe Romabecause there's different waves, right? So the first was about, you know, women suffrage. Simple things like women should be able to, you know, have their own bank accounts, wear pants. Uh >> I would classify myself as a secondwave feminist cuz I think it's more than just

Chloe Romathe baseline. >> What the hell does any of that mean? Is you a feminist or not? >> First wave feminism is it's like the like the hardcore stuff that like women didn't have a right to do like you know a man could like essay his wife and

Chloe Romasimple stuff like that. Second-wave feminism was really about breaking down the nuclear ideology of what a woman is, right? So, gender roles for women, specifically things like, you know,

Chloe Romawomen have to be in the home and cook and clean and just these gender stereotypes, right? And then you have third wave, which is like I I like to call it u an intolerance for

Chloe Romaintolerance, right? So, anything that women view as, you know, slightly disadvantaged, they're like angry about. Now you have fourthwave feminism which is very much about superiority and I

Chloe Romahave two good examples. Number one is men struggle with mental health disproportionately to women. Um and in the UK specifically there have been multiple attempts to have um what are

Chloe Romathose called like seminars for like suicide awareness for men and it's been shut down every time. There's clips all over social media. >> That's not true. We're from the UK and there's multiple a lot actually especially >> well if you want to take a second and

Brian Atlasjust Google it. There's a lot of Baby, I live there. There's very There's a lot. >> Wait, hold on. Earlier in the conversation, you guys were like, "We don't know jack [ __ ] about the politics and what's going on in England." >> Yeah, you can just Google. >> I'm not from England. She's talking

Brian Atlasabout Scotland. >> The No, I said England. She said the UK. Yeah. Earlier, by the way, you guys said like, "Oh, we don't give a [ __ ] about what's going on in the UK." >> Say I just said that I don't mind talking about it. But >> you >> Sorry, I said I just don't mind talking about it, but it's not really relevant.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> Yeah. I also thought you were talking about immigrants. >> I would also say I didn't think you were talking about anything like that. The fourth wave of feminist has of feminism has also become synonymous with movements that I don't really think have

Alyssa (Harvard)to do with women's empowerment but have gotten thrown in there like the transgender movement the I don't want to say body positivity but the like

Alyssa (Harvard)promoting of unhealthy lifestyles like celebrating promiscuity like things that are not necessarily about equality in

Madam Houstonsociety um but like have come to take on these ideals that are not representative of of of equality whatsoever. >> It just sound like if you leave it up to women, y'all going to complicate the

Madam Houston[ __ ] out of it. Cuz what is all of this? First wave, fourth wave, second wave. >> It's just different. It's different parts in history. >> All that two woke [ __ ] >> But you could say the same thing as being a Democrat or a Republican, it means different things in different context. >> Those are actually very specific eras of

Alyssa (Harvard)American, >> right? Being a Republican 50 years ago or being a Democrat 50 years ago is very different than that ideology today. That's the same thing with feminism. The ideology from a >> like slave owners or whatever. >> Correct.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> I kind of feel like they're still the same, you know, just >> right. Like feminists 100 years ago are fighting for the right to vote and now >> wear pants and now they're fighting for the right to sell themselves and like be respected. and not even not even for the

Alyssa (Harvard)right to sell themselves cuz we have that. But to be celebrated and to like promote that is like this is something you should be doing. That's my my biggest rub with the modern feminist movement is that it's promoting things

Violetthat no longer have to do with equality but are now pushing a very specific agenda. >> I would say what I've experienced is that it's less of a a whole like movement to push that stuff and more of just that it's more readily available

Violetbecause of social media and stuff. And I think that obviously, you know, any of the whatever you were saying, like selling yourself or whatever wouldn't have been as, you know, accessible back in the day. And so I think that

Alyssa (Harvard)>> Oh, no. It's definitely been accessible. Like it's the oldest, it's the oldest prostitute. It's the oldest profession. >> It's different though. It's different than social media. >> I know.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> Well, it Yes, it's different. But I I would say like the second or third I would say the third wave of feminism is when we started getting away like like

Alyssa (Harvard)[ __ ] shaming. That was a really big thing like hey we should not criticize women for being overly promiscuous and that was like third wave. Now I feel like it has

Alyssa (Harvard)>> I like to call it the post feminist world like where we've now crossed that line. Like not only should we not criticize women for this, but we should like celebrate them as this is some sort of empowering sort of thing. And like I

Alyssa (Harvard)said, I have no problem with what you do, what every what anybody does, but I don't think this is something we should be telling people as a society like this is aspirational. When I grow up, I want

Alyssa (Harvard)to do this. I, you know, encouraging that sort of behavior, which is what it has led to. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and to touch back on what he was saying about the uh the

Chloe Romasituations where women are, you know, actively uh advocating for something that would no longer benefit them. Paternity is an amazing one. Uh a great example because as women, now obviously

Chloe Romait varies state from state. Uh I'm from Canada, abortion is 100% legal there. Um but we have many different forms um to protect ourselves against an unwanted pregnancy. We have safe haven law which

Chloe Romasays that you can drop your child off to a social services worker, firefighter, EMS, right? We have uh adoption. We have the morning after pill. We have all of these different ways. But a man, if an

Chloe Romaunplanned pregnancy happens on his side, he has absolutely no say whatsoever. And that's something that's heavily debated in my community and that I push for. I think men should have the opportunity to

Chloe Romapull out of a pregnancy at the same timeline that a woman does, right? Um, but that's something that women are finding unacceptable. They're suggesting that that's just a way to encourage men to, you know, abandon their babies. And

Chloe Romait's not really what it's about. It's about having rights over your own autonomy. And if you look at like men don't even have access to proper birth control. They've got condoms. We all know condoms suck, you know. So, that's a really good example of something where

Alyssa (Harvard)women are, it would like equally benefit us, but because it's benefiting men more, they're just not for that. M >> well I would I would take it even a step further than that because I think

Alyssa (Harvard)sometimes women the way that this feminist movement looks now women don't even advocate for things that would benefit them and >> just just let me finish and and like one

Alyssa (Harvard)thing that doesn't make sense to me is why the feminist movement if we truly want to protect women and we want equality is why does the modern day

Alyssa (Harvard)feminist women not advocate for this is going to sound shocking to you is why do we not advocate for female firearm ownership and training? >> Because >> teach us how to protect ourselves, right? >> Exactly.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> Why do you have to protect yourself if men are so superior? >> It's not that. But that's the thing is I don't think they're superior, but they are bigger. They're stronger. They're going to they're more of a threat to me than I am to them. >> No, I agree with that.

Violet>> That's true. But I think that that and you might listen, I'm not disagreeing with you because I think that's an important conversation, too. But I think that again that centers the idea around women protecting themselves rather than men just not being a threat.

Alyssa (Harvard)>> Oh, absolutely. Well, but the problem is I mean things sound right. I I studied government. I studied political theory. Things can work out in theory, but that's not how the real world is. And I

Alyssa (Harvard)I wish that I I've said before I'm a vegetarian. Like I do not believe in firearm ownership for the sake of hunting or owning or, you know, killing

Alyssa (Harvard)animals. I think it's really sad that we live in a world where random girls are getting attacked on a bus or being followed after they're, you know, walking home from work or they're just

Alyssa (Harvard)on a run. They're minding their own business. And if we if men are stronger and have, and I'm not saying all men, but if some of them are a little kooky

Alyssa (Harvard)and then enact that violence on women, why are we not promoting more ways for women to be able to protect themselves? Because in that case, that firearm is the equalizer. That is true.

Madam Houston>> A true feminist is going to see it happening as an equal on the other side. Men, women are just as dangerous. So, you can't be a feminist and not take women accountability. You got to be able

Madam Houstonto say women are dangerous, too. You got to be able to say women are [ __ ] up, too. Instead of being like, well, men men this something you said about we should teach

Brian Atlasmen not to do these things, right? Do you think like broadly speaking men are just like completely ignorant? Like they they just No, of course not. >> They just innately want to just like essay women. Is that kind of your position or

Brian Atlas>> No, that's the opposite. >> But like can I ask you a question on this? Cuz I hear this argument a lot and look obviously nobody should be victimized ever. But like living in reality, for example,

Brian Atlasthe United States, I forgot which governing body it is or what what the uh what the institution is called. I I don't know if it's the State Department, but they say, "Here are certain countries that as an American, not because you're an American, but as an

Brian AtlasAmerican, we don't recommend you going there for any reason whatsoever because these countries are dangerous." Right? Um would you like, let's say I went to Somalia, one of the countries they say don't travel to is Somalia.

Brian Atlas>> So global >> if you're if you're American, right? They say this country is like really dangerous. There's a bunch of corruption. Like you're probably going to die if you go there, etc. Like if an American goes to Somalia, I

Brian Atlasdon't want anything bad to happen to them. They like nothing bad should happen. But like if you end up like would you be kind of surprised if they end up >> So what's the comparison? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you were making this argument we should only put the we should only put the onus on the perpetrator, right? And look, I think that >> but what's the action the woman's doing that would put them that's what I want

Brian Atlasto know. Like what's the comparison? What's going to Somalia? >> Yeah. So, well, first just do you agree with me on the Somalia example? Like clearly there are actions that you can take on the individual level that put you yourself in harm's way. You

Brian Atlasshouldn't be like attacked or murdered or anything like that. But like if I go to a bad part of town, there's definitely stuff you can do. If I go to a bad part of town, even in the United States, at like 3:00 a.m. and I'm like in gang territory and I'm wearing like certain colors, like

Brian Atlas>> right, >> I shouldn't I should not be surprised when some it shouldn't happen, but I like how So maybe I should be like, I'm not going to wear red in this neighborhood at 3:00 a.m. >> But what's the comparison? That's what I want to know.

Violet>> Sure, but you're trying to >> No, you brought up an analogy. I want to know what it's comparing to. >> I can I can help with this one. Sure. Okay. I I can weigh in too, but go ahead. >> Do you want to go? You're the host. >> Well, I I would say like I don't know.

Brian AtlasYou're you're alluding to like essay, right? >> That's what you were. >> Yeah, I think you're alluding to essay. >> Sure. Yeah. I would say like women can take certain preventative measures to protect themselves. Obviously, >> a woman should never be essay. That's a

Brian Atlasterrible crime. Absolutely. But there are certain things like you can do to protect yourself. Like for example, don't go get like shitfaced blasted at a frat party. like you shouldn't be sad in that circumstance, but like prevent it to prevent something like

Brian Atlasthat from happening. >> But why should she have to? >> I can I can No, I agree. >> I'm not saying Hold on. Just to be clear, just to be clear, I'm not saying a woman should not be essayed under any circumstance. But I'm saying like the

Brian Atlasthe reality is that these crimes do occur. They're [ __ ] disgusting. If I were to witness it, I'd want to like kill the guy or whatever. I'd want to beat him up, you know, whatever. You might Brian, you're a little flappy. Come on. What are you going to do? But like if I saw this, I would I would

Brian Atlasabsolutely go berserk. It's a despicable [ __ ] crime. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But like if I was if I had a daughter, I wouldn't just I wouldn't live in fantasy land and just be like, you know what,

Brian Atlasjust go get totally shitfaced drunk at a frat house. I would be like, "Maybe no, don't do that." >> Well, I think you're totally right. >> Quick question. What are frat houses here?

Summer>> Yeah. I don't like authority for men. >> Yeah, it's a Greek thing, actually. Oh, so are you are you saying that frat are they dangerous people? >> No, not necessarily. I mean, I'm not I'm not making >> I'm not like like

Violet>> No, I think you're right. But I also think that both things can be true at the same time. But I think we can I think women can protect themselves and I also think that men can be taught to not >> totally >> like I never I I just I don't want you to think that what I was saying was that women shouldn't take measures to protect

Chloe Romathemselves cuz I definitely do. >> Right. I think where this conversation gets tough is, you know, we both get victim blamed, men or women, but historically women have had uh a much higher rate of uh, you know, being

Chloe Romavictim blamed, especially when they're victimized. And so these conversations um can be tough because it comes across like maybe the woman deserved it or she did something. And that's not what

Chloe Romaanybody's saying, but the reality is is that using preventative measures is very important. And we understand this when it comes to children, for example, right? Like I'm a mom of two. And I do

Chloe Romaeverything I can to protect my children against pedophiles, right? We tell them like, don't talk to people on the internet. Don't do this, this, this, and this. That's not suggesting that if anything were to happen to my child that

Chloe Romathat was their fault. It means that it's my responsibility to put certain measures in place so that they can protect themselves. And it's the same ideology. It just comes across as very salty when you tell women like, "Oh,

Chloe Romawell, if you don't want to get essay, just like protect yourself." It's not the reality. It's just that >> we live in a very sick world and nobody deserves to be like essayed or assaulted, you know? But it's the same

Chloe Romaideology. If you have, you know, if Brian here is rich as [ __ ] and he goes out, you know, into a crowded place in town and he's counting all his money and flashing his Rolex, if he gets robbed,

Chloe Romais that his fault? No, it's not. It's 100% the onus is on the perpetrator. However, could he have been a little bit more responsible not to attract that? Yeah. That doesn't mean it's his fault. >> Exercising caution.

Brian Atlas>> Right. Right. Yeah. >> Yeah. We should we should obviously acknowledge that these sorts of crimes should never occur if we want to live in like function in good society where we like harm reduction. >> These things, that's the word,

Brian Atlas>> right? These these things should like never happen. But knowing that there are people out there who are either like crazy or they have ill intent or whatever we do, it's like why do we have militaries? Like I don't think anybody's

Brian Atlasin favor of going to war, but like sometimes you even need something. You need a military for defensive reasons. Like what if somebody else invades us? How can you move through the world in a

Brian Atlasway knowing that there are evil people out there to protect yourself? Again, it's not it shouldn't happen, but knowing that there are bad people out there, how can we take actions to

Chloe Romaprotect ourselves? >> And we got interrupted, but you you made a comment to me about me thinking men are superior. Do you feel like I've come across that way? >> For sure. >> How so? >> Just your demeanor. >> Okay. And that's a negative thing to

SPEAKER_00think that men are superior. >> No, I'm not saying that's a negative thing. I'm saying that's how you come across. >> You have a chat. >> How so though? >> Oh, one sec. Barrier Wisdom donated $200 >> for chair three deals upgraded to

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BritneyExcellent. We love that we because then we go from a six piece to a 10 piece. >> Okay, we like that. So, what was the next >> military man? I'll negotiate on her behalf. >> I love a man. I love a man who serves. Oh my gosh.

Chloe Roma>> It depends what your disability rating is. So, how much you have coming in? >> Like, God bless America. Come on home, honey. >> Here, we're going to move on. >> Can I get an answer on where? No,

Chloe Romaplease. I don't know why you're rolling your eyes. You said something. I have a right to just get some clarity on >> please stop calling me that. I like other people may not realize it's condescending, but like you and I are

Chloe Romaboth women. We know that women call each other that to like cupcake. >> I like that. >> All right, sweetheart. >> I'm I'm going to call you a cupcake. >> I'm just curious where um what I said, how it came across that I think that men are superior. >> It's just your demeanor.

Chloe Roma>> How so? >> It's literally just your demeanor. >> Do I look like a man? Is that what you're saying? >> No, I'm kidding. You don't. You're actually very pretty. >> Thank you. So where what what part of my demeanor has come across? >> You come across. >> Can you explain a little bit?

Chloe Roma>> I do what you just did, bro. >> No, bro. Saying it's just how you come across isn't giving me any clarifying. >> You're giving like I hate women. >> Do you think so? >> For sure. >> That's very interesting. You know, I I get that a lot because I choose to take

Chloe Romaa >> So, if you get that a lot then >> Mhm. Yeah, I do because I take a a male stance and not a lot of people like that. However, um the people that know me know that I'm actually like quite a girl's girl and I'm both. So, just

Chloe Romabecause somebody may have like an understanding or bring a perspective of men doesn't mean that they're just like naturally >> against women, but I think it's just how

Summeryou girl like real [ __ ] >> I love men and I love women. I love both equally, but I still don't come across that way. >> So, what what about my demeanor though has come across like I think men are superior. >> No, it's just your energy, man. And

Chloe Romayou're just kind of soul sucking. >> I'm soul. Not in a good way. >> Okay. H I'm wondering if you can clarify on that a little bit. >> Girl, I just >> The onlybody sucking souls here is you, lady. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> I love to suck. So >> she not sucking my inappropriate, but how you coming for my girl Chloe, bro? >> I know. >> Put some respect. Put some respect on my >> I think she's totally hot, but like home girl.

Chloe Roma>> This home girl. >> My Caucasian. >> You're my Caucasian clothing. We were talking earlier about how like women will excuse certain like behavior coming from women and I think this is like

Chloe Romasomewhat ties into it where like everybody is a girl's girl until another woman goes against maybe like your basic beliefs or what maybe you think women should >> that's how you come across to me because I don't believe

Summer>> but you can't give me an actual reason as to why you're just like well it's your demeanor >> talk you do I do >> girl just not saying anything of substance >> that's how you come across to me You're saying, "Oh, a girl's girl until you do

Summersomething that you don't agree with." I do something you don't agree with. And then you immediately come for me, come for my job because you don't agree with it. >> Can you give me an example? >> Yeah. Give an example. >> The fact that I love God and I love

Chloe Roma[ __ ] Like you That was actually So I don't really think you have a reason. I think that you see a woman that's taking like a male stance and trying to give perspective, which is equality, by the way. I think you said that you were

Chloe Roma>> But it's not if you're taking a male stance then you should be taking both stances. >> I have if you've paid attention I actually I actually have you straight me. >> So okay well I think maybe I'm saying some things that you are out of your

Madam Houstonperspective and you don't like that. So you want to label me as >> it just sound like you're talking about her energy and not like actual just an energy babe. >> Okay. >> Yo Crazy Ace. Thank for the gifted 10 subs. I don't know why it's not letting

Chloe Romame pull it up but thank you man. Appreciate it. Uh, did you want to continue on, Chloe, or >> No, I don't think she's willing to have a I don't think she has an actual reason. I think she sees a men's rights advocate and automatically assumes that we like suck men's dick, but if you're

Chloe Romafamiliar with me or my content, I call both out very equally. >> So, but I appreciate your judgment. I'm sorry I'm coming across that way. >> That's okay. >> Don't know how Scottish. >> It is. >> Scots fiery.

Brian Atlas>> Maybe it's the Romanian in me. I don't know. Just come. >> I love it. >> She loves it. Okay. Uh, how about this? Women are just So, the I know not all of you had a chance to do the

Brian Atlasquestionnaire, but I'll just ask it to everybody. Women are just as physically strong as men. Summer, >> you agree with that statement, and I believe that's it. Uh, >> [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Do you do you think women are just as physically strong as men? >> Uh, I mean, I think it depends on the individual, but as a whole, I would say no. >> Generally, what do you think, taxes? Uh, I don't think women are stronger than

Brian Atlasmen at all. >> Uh, you said women are just as physically strong as men. Why is that? >> I think it depends on the man. >> So like if you're a weak man and I'm a strong woman, we're the exact same. >> Right. So I agree that there are definitely women who are physic some

Summerwomen who are physically stronger than men. Absolutely. But in totality, if you were to compare, >> also we have like a um what is it like our pain perspective or whatever it is

Madam Houstonlike we handle pain a lot better >> threshold. We handle pain a lot better than >> on the inside but physically uh accepting the fact that a man could beat my ass will get me out of a lot of situations. >> Oh, for sure. But like if I'm a very

Madam Houstonstrong woman and a very weak man stepped up to me, I'mma beat his ass. I think a man that's weak, perceived as weak, could still beat your ass because ain't nothing like a man's strength in my opinion. >> But if he's weak, >> that's just a fact. Actually, it's not

Brian Atlaseven my opinion. >> Average strength. Are men on average strong? >> Probably. Yeah. But if there's a weak man, >> a strong woman, then it's the same. >> Right. But there's more. >> Well, I guess I'd frame it like this.

Brian AtlasThere's more strong men than there are strong women. >> Yeah. Biologically, men are stronger. >> Okay. >> Okay. Nothing to push back on then. Uh, women can't be sexist towards men.

Brian AtlasDo you would you agree with that? Women can't be sexist towards men. >> Uh, women can't be se like >> Well, here I'll change the framing so I

Brian Atlasguess it makes a bit more sense. Uh, people of color can't be racist towards white people. Do you agree with with that? >> I do. Yeah. >> Okay. Going around the table. >> What do you think? >> I agree. >> You agree? What about you?

Brian Atlas>> Sorry, I agree. uh that women can't be sexist towards men. >> No, people of color can't be racist towards white people. >> I mean, they are all the time and it's but >> Okay. So, you disagree. Okay. What about you? Can

Brian Atlas>> I agree? >> So, okay. Like a black person can't be racist towards a white person. Okay. What do you think? Can a Can a person of color be racist towards a white person? >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> Yes. I agree.

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