Debate RAGE QUIT/She Is SUING?! 150 IQ Ivy League Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson | Whatever Debates #19
Date: 2025-05-18
Duration: 3h 39m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Kylie Brewer(guest)
SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:00
IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Kylie Brewer (Brown University, claimed IQ ~150)
00:13:30
ControversyKylie walks away after Andrew says 'you don't have your TikTok mute button, sweetheart'
00:59:25
Key MomentAndrew presents Force Doctrine. Kylie concedes: 'Currently in the patriarchal society, yes [women appeal to men for safety].'
01:24:45
QuoteKylie claims IQ approximately 150
02:23:00
Key MomentKylie concedes pillar 2 of feminism 'is not really about choice' when tested with gun rights
02:29:00
OtherRAGE QUIT: Kylie leaves permanently. Brian offers double fee. Andrew holds up 'I WIN' notepad.
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Opening Statements
Kylie cites wage gap, WHO violence stats. Andrew attacks McKenzie study replication failure.
00:13:30
First Walkout Threat
Kylie walks away after Andrew says 'you don't have your TikTok mute button, sweetheart.'
00:19:00
DV and SA Statistics
Contested stats: WHO 1-in-3 vs NIS showing 68% maltreated children harmed by females.
00:59:25
Force Doctrine
Andrew's Force Doctrine: women's rights derive from men's physical supremacy. Kylie concedes women appeal to men for safety.
02:10:00
Four Pillars of Feminism
Kylie presents 4 feminist pillars. Andrew debunks pillar 2 (expand choice) using gun rights contradiction.
02:29:00
Final Rage Quit
Kylie leaves permanently. Brian offers double fee. She says she'd cry for triple. Andrew holds up 'I WIN' notepad.
02:36:55
Post-Debate Commentary
Brian and Andrew analyze the rage quit. Book recommendations. Champagne for $1K donation.
Transcript
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01:58:36
Andrew Wilsonhad two really good faith interlocators we've gone back and forth with. I don't hold any ill will towards them, but it's like, you came to do the debate. I flew out here to do the debate. Do the [ __ ] debate. Stop. You know what I
01:58:46
Brian Atlasdo? Just do the debate. Yeah. Yeah. And uh and I think we've been uh probably very I don't know if
01:58:54
Brian Atlascharitable is the right word, but uh almost uh bent over backwards. Yeah. like you know uh super annoying really
01:59:05
Brian Atlasat the beginning she was trying to dictate terms and look to the audience I know you guys didn't like that I was trying to kind of plate things a little bit but in you know like I was telling Andrew just in furtherance of ensuring
01:59:17
Brian Atlasthat the debate actually happens if you got to you know walk back an inch you know to to be able to make it further then so be it. But uh we let me do these super chats while they come
01:59:30
Brian Atlasthrough. Yo, Gerald, appreciate it. Coastal operator, thank for the membership. Uh, okay. JJ Mad, thank you for that message. Uh, let's see here. We
01:59:41
Brian Atlashave uh I'm honestly kind of lost on some of the chats here. Okay, all good.
01:59:51
Brian AtlasYeah, I'm good. All right. Um, oh, whoops. Didn't mean to do that. Uh, so, okay, here's where we left off,
02:00:01
Brian Atlasright? Right. Uh, Xerxes was, uh, can women be sexist towards men? Can minorities be racist towards white people? Is misogyny worse than, uh, mis misandry? Excuse me. Uh, Andrew, it
02:00:13
Andrew Wilsonseemed like you wanted to uh, yeah, so it's just it's just academic double speak. It's just it's a way for them to hold uh, dualistic standards. So,
02:00:24
Andrew Wilsonum, what they mean by what they mean by racism is exactly what they mean by racism across the board. It's just that in order to make whatever they consider the oppressive class not be oppressed, they call it something else by saying there's not enough institutional power.
02:00:38
Andrew WilsonBut if you were to ask them something like, well, what about over in South Africa, right? They would still say that, nope, whites really have the institutional power there no matter what. No matter what. So, it's like um
02:00:49
Andrew Wilsonit's never and I've been in these debates multiple times. It's never a consistent definition. It's an academic double speak. Uh um when it comes to misogyny, worse than Missandry. Yeah,
02:01:01
Andrew Wilsonright. Um the only reason that she says that is because she believes in a bunch of stats which are completely false. They're totally false. We've been over them multiple times. Women do just as
02:01:11
Andrew Wilsonmuch damage with their m Missandry as whatever she considers misogyny to be. And the truth is it's all just de demonization. Yeah. I don't know why she's crying. I don't know. I have no
02:01:23
Andrew Wilsonidea. I'm not I'm not crying right now. But yeah. Okay. This seems very manipulative, by the way. I'm just pointing that out. But
02:01:33
Brian Atlasyeah, you're entitled to your beliefs. Mhm. Would you like to engage with uh uh the misogyny being worse than uh misandry?
02:01:44
Kylie BrewerUm sure. Topic. Yeah. I mean, I I'll just read out the statistics that I have here um about violence against women, and
02:01:55
Kylie Brewerthat's basically what my, you know, my belief that misogyny is worse. Misogyny kills and misandria noise is sort of a phrase that people say. I think both
02:02:05
Kylie Brewerdefinitely aren't healthy, but um one in three women experience violence in the home or just generally in their lifetime. World Health Organization, 50% of women are murdered in 2017 were
02:02:18
Kylie Brewerkilled by an intimate partner. United Nations um a lot of child brides um with victims being women married to older men as well as 71% of human trafficking victims being women. Um we often use for sexual exploitation purposes and that a
02:02:31
Kylie Brewerlot of that is rooted in the belief that women are property and objects that men can do what they want with. Um and yeah, so that's why I believe that misogyny is worse. I think again though I will
02:02:42
Andrew Wilsonconcede I think both can be harmful. And can I just point out real quick that uh sexual liberation is a key cornerstone of feminism including only fans things like this and that's been linked heavily
02:02:52
Andrew Wilsonto sexual trafficking. And still the left does everything they can to promote that women should be able to engage in prostitution even though it leads to those very same outcomes which is
02:03:03
Andrew Wilsoninsane. On top of that she says misogyny kills misandry and noise. That's not true. We look at uh post- divorce stats for suicidality for instance. uh same thing even pre when it comes to men's
02:03:15
Andrew Wilsonhealth they do want to allow themselves higher rates right now I would still argue that that's mostly because they're better at it but also because and what I mean by that is that like women will
02:03:26
Andrew Wilsonbasically not use they just won't use guns right and men use guns um but yeah I would say also when you we're talking about misogyny versus misandry what's really interesting about this is they'll
02:03:37
Andrew Wilsonoften only point to the stat of death as though that is the only stat which is worth looking at you look at what's going on in society, we also have to look at children, the effects and
02:03:47
Andrew Wilsonoutcomes of children. The demonization of men through misandry often will lead to men or uh uh boys, young girls, things like that, losing respect for men. It also leads to men losing custody
02:04:00
Andrew Wilsonof their children, which leads to bad outcomes for children. Like just be even if it were the case that I accepted all of her stats, it it by the way that also proves that feminism. It's not doing a
02:04:11
Andrew Wilsongood job protecting women. Literally failed its promise of protecting women. But on top of that, let's can we just point out that she doesn't bring up the outcomes for children ever. They never
02:04:22
Andrew Wilsonbring up the outcomes for children, which are completely and totally awful when we have these split family homes and the glorification of single motherhood, which feminism has done.
02:04:33
Andrew WilsonThey only point to the fact that well, misogyny can lead to the unalive. Also, can I just point out uh what about the fact that there's about you know a
02:04:44
Andrew Wilsonmillion women plus a year who murder men's children in the womb. I just want to point that out while she says well this is basically Miss Andrew's just harmful harmless annoyance at the same
02:04:55
Brian Atlastime remember having a million abortions a year. May I just ask were you I'm trying to Were you Were you listening? Okay. All
02:05:05
Kylie Brewerright. Um, I was listening. Okay. Do you wanna Sure. Um, refute or counter. I think that like being pro-choice it like the way that
02:05:17
Kylie Brewerit's it's defined about taking life is always going to be open to interpretation. I think people will think um, you know, different things about when life begins. And so ultimately the crux of that it seems do
02:05:28
Kylie Breweryou it seems like you believe in God? Do you? Yeah. So um I think that because of that we will never see eye to eye because I don't consider it to be murder before a certain point. Like obviously like if the fetus is viable if you know
02:05:40
Andrew Wilsonlike there are certain points where I only ever use secular arguments. So even if it is the case of believe in God. Yeah. I've only ever used secular arguments. So what would your argument be? um like that the case for sentience
02:05:52
Andrew Wilsonmakes no sense and that scientifically the established scientific consensus the legitimate scientific consensus non- sociological consensus is that this is a human life at conception immediately that is the scientific consensus you can
02:06:05
Kylie Brewerlook at any source you want that's the scientific consensus so if that's the case right then we should treat it as though it's a human life sure yeah and I again I think that's going to vary from person to person um I think that there's
02:06:17
Kylie Brewera lot of people in the scientific community. And again, the scientific consensus does vary on when life begins. It does not because the religious uh idea is the consensus does not vary. There's no source you could ever look to, and I'm willing I'm willing to be
02:06:30
Andrew Wilsoncorrected right now live. There is no source I've ever been able to find, right, which refuts that the scientific consensus is that human life begins at conception. Oh, thank you. There would be no other way to determine human life other than that it began at conception.
02:06:44
Andrew WilsonYou wouldn't even be able to determine it another way. But you can go ahead. What does scientific consensus say? When does human life begin? Um, sure. I'll
02:06:58
Kylie Brewerwait. So, it's saying that there are three different perspectives. The scientific, philosophical, and religious. Scientific. Most biologists agree that a new unique human
02:07:10
Kylie Brewerorganization comes into existence at fertilization. So, a human life at at conception. at conception, right? But but they're saying that a new human organism, but there's people that have different agreements. That doesn't necessarily necessitate that. That that
02:07:23
Kylie Brewerdoesn't mean life. Well, what is life? It's alive. I mean, that's that's it's um that's what I'm saying is it's different for everyone. They're saying that the human organism forms at conception, but that doesn't mean it's life. Well, what is an organism? Is it
02:07:34
Andrew Wilsonalive? I mean, like they're talking about human life. Yeah. Okay. But what Yeah. What is life? It would an organism would be alive, right? I mean, but again, there's a difference between human life and an organism.
02:07:47
Andrew WilsonDon't you agree? Isn't Well, if an organism is alive and it's a human organism, then it's human life, right? How could it not be? I mean, yeah, you can believe what you want. I think just different people are always going to have different opinions on it. And I I
02:07:59
Andrew Wilsonwas just pointing out the scientific consensus. Yeah. And I was correct, right? Scientific consensus by most biologists, which would be consensus. Yes. Say that human life begins at conception. Right. Sure. Yeah. So then
02:08:10
Andrew Wilsonwhat we're left with from the secular perspective is sentience and that really makes no sense. That's it. So I would always use a secular argument. Secularists can't determine when sentience begins. Since they can't determine when sentience begins, there's
02:08:24
Kylie Brewerno reason for us to assume it doesn't begin at conception of life. Okay. Yeah. I I mean there's different arguments for like So I think your argument is more biological. That makes sense. Um I understand your argument. I mean there's
02:08:34
Kylie Brewerdifferent reasons people argue for being pro-choice and pro-life. So, pro-life, pro-choice, but um you know, there's different ways of looking at it and I don't think we'll ever agree, so I don't know. Um but yeah, but good. I like I
02:08:47
Kylie Brewerenjoy hearing about your arguments and what you have to say. So, I've never been, you know, yeah, I never heard that specific point. So, Kyla, you mentioned that there were some topics you would
02:08:58
Kylie Brewerhave uh other topics you would have liked to speak on. Is there uh from your prompts, would you like to bring any of those up or Yeah. Um I just would you so
02:09:09
Kylie Brewerdo you really believe that out of the four components of the four principles of general feminism which is working to increase gender equality that's number one and expanding human choice number
02:09:20
Kylie Brewertwo how do you suppose that those two things could be problematic? Yeah let's start with um expanding human choice actually. Okay that's one of my favorite
02:09:30
Andrew Wilsonones. So you're not really for expanding human choice right? Like just only kind of I like you don't want me to have a choice to be able to drink and drive, right?
02:09:41
Andrew WilsonUh sure. Yeah. You don't want me to have a choice to stop at a stop sign. Like Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Like short of some like externalized emergency. So what choices do you want
02:09:52
Kylie Brewerme to be able to have? Let's start with those. Sure. Um anything related to agency. Um like within reason without harming others. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean me drinking and driving doesn't harm
02:10:04
Andrew Wilsonothers. Opportunity, right? Um does me drinking, driving actually harm others? It can. But everything I do can harm others, right? So that's that's a strange argument because when you're talking about freedom of choice and you
02:10:17
Kylie Brewersay, well, we can limit this choice because it can do harm. That would be everything. So let me let me um clarify then. Okay. expanding human choice such
02:10:27
Kylie Brewerthat it promotes autonomy and agency without infringing upon the rights of others or the safety of others. Yeah. Now you see why I was so specific about rights because it's definitionally part
02:10:39
Andrew Wilsonof what you believe, right? Being specific is important. So yes, it's being specific is super important. I was very specific about rights. That's why I wanted to know where they came from because I looked at your definition which I wrote down earlier which was the four parts. And I'll read it to you. the
02:10:53
Andrew Wilsonparts if you don't believe that I wrote it down. No, I believe you. I believe you. You've definitely been paying attention. So, but you keep but you you kept on saying like I don't think that this is pertinent when we're talking about force doctrine and rights. But the entirety of your second pillar of
02:11:06
Andrew Wilsonfeminism revolves around choice and rights. So you everybody should have a choice unless it expands to infringe on someone else's rights. Right. Like a living person. Yeah. Yeah. Like a living person. Okay. We'll just we're going to
02:11:17
Andrew Wilsonleave abortion and all that aside. We're just talking about we'll we'll just say like you're alive at least we'll agree you're alive at when you come out of the womb. Sure. Right. We can agree to that. So, but here's the problem, right? It's
02:11:29
Andrew Wilsonlike let's take something easy like guns for instance, right? Um should I be able to own an AR-15? Depends on who you ask in which state. I'm asking you. Do I think you need an
02:11:42
Kylie BrewerAR-15? That's not what I asked. Should I be able to own one? Should you be able to own an AR-15 that has Cuz there's specific types, right? There's like ways you can prevent the AR-15 from firing round. I mean, a fully automatic machine
02:11:52
Kylie Brewergun. Okay. Why are you taking away my choice? Um, because like that would be an example of the specification that I made about how it infringes upon the safety of others. Okay. What about a
02:12:02
Kylie Brewersemi-automatic? Um, that's a good question. Um, I don't really know why anything that even that large and semi-automatic would be useful, but I don't know a lot about
02:12:14
Andrew WilsonAR-15s. I understand. I'm not trying to hold any potential ignorance you have about the operation of guns against your argument. After all, I can say tractors do a lot of damage and not know anything about tractors, but still know they do
02:12:26
Kylie Brewerdamage, right? So, I think that that's a legitimate argument for you to say. I mean, I know. Yes. But yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm just Well, Dean, well, what is it chambered in then? I mean, my dad is like has a lot he has like a gun safe and he I grew up with him like shooting
02:12:39
Andrew Wilsonand stuff. So, do you know what what caliber an AR-15 shoots? No, I don't. Okay. So, I mean, again, I'm not familiar with AR-15s really, but Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so we would say like functionally, you don't know too much about the product we're talking about.
02:12:52
Andrew WilsonI'm fine with that. I was just pointing that out to be hypercharitable. But how how is that considering the fact that I will never and almost nobody who ever owns an AR-15 will use one in a violent
02:13:03
Andrew Wilsonact? Why is it worth limiting our choice? Is that true? Oh yeah. Do you know for instance um almost all gun crime is committed with handguns and almost all of it is committed by one
02:13:16
Andrew Wilsonsegment of the population with handguns. When it comes to long guns, that would be uh the black population mostly with handguns. With handguns and then with shotguns, is that what you're saying? No. No. With rifles or shotguns, you're
02:13:28
Andrew Wilsonmore likely to be beaten to death with hands and feet than than a rifle or a shotgun. H including an AR-15. That's if we took all of the mass things. I can't say what they are, but the mass things that you know happen. If we took all
02:13:42
Andrew Wilsoneven all of those into account, you're still more likely to get beaten to death with hands and feet. Interesting. Than you are to So, but how does that expand my choice then though that I that this is an operational thing that I want and
02:13:54
Kylie Brewersomebody definitely wants to sell it to me and I want to buy it. Why are you limiting my choice? Yeah, I mean I think that's a good question. And I feel like it's very um philosophical at that point. Um I do think like the stigma
02:14:06
Kylie Breweraround owning guns. Like I I'm definitely for stronger. I just don't understand why anyone would need to own like a fully like just the fact that if anyone got their hands on it, it just is scary. Um I don't know why anyone would need to be able to shoot that many
02:14:19
Andrew Wilsonrounds that quickly. Well, you believe in rights, right? Yes. The right to own guns I do believe is important. Yeah. So that would be a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Right. That's our second
02:14:31
Andrew Wilsonamendment, right? Yeah. No, I mean, and that is a right. Sure. And wouldn't it be infringing? I'm not trying to take it away. Like, yeah. Well, you're trying to limit my choice with that right. And you haven't explained how exactly it
02:14:42
Kylie Brewerinfringes on anybody that I own an AR-15. I mean, there have been Yeah. I mean, I think the most notable example, wasn't it? I mean, I I'll have to specifically check, but the one in I can grant any like mass, you know, homicide
02:14:55
Kylie Brewerevent that may have happened with an AR-15. Sure. What does it have to do with me? Um, right. I think the the point being I think is to determine if something
02:15:05
Kylie Brewerinfringes upon the rights of others or or the safety of others should be uh is something that is up for like debate. And so I'm not here to tell you like what does or doesn't what is or isn't like I'm not like a governing agency.
02:15:19
Kylie BrewerYou should probably ask somebody who knows more about that. But it's the second pillar the second pillar of your ideology, right? talking about human agency in terms of like not like the right like I'm specifically talking about the ability for someone to get the job they want. Like you you immediately
02:15:32
Kylie Brewerbrought it back to guns. I'm talking about the ability to have the equal opportunities to like have someone take care of your children while you go to work and stuff so that you can advance your career. Like I think that's fair. I think that's a fair a fair point to make. So if like a woman wants to get a
02:15:44
Andrew Wilsonjob at a firm where a man controls the firm, doesn't want to hire because she's a woman, you would say that that's infringing on her choice. Sure. Yeah. Okay. I think that that's completely fair. If it is the case though, it's like I don't know enough about guns to
02:15:56
Andrew Wilsonbe able to like accurately come up with something. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we could use anything that you could ever know about gun gunwise and just use that instead of an AR. But the point is is that if I wanted to have
02:16:07
Andrew Wilsona firearm of my choice, Yeah. Right. And it wouldn't actually hurt anybody. The expansive of choice seems like you're saying that that business owner doesn't have choice because she has the right.
02:16:18
Andrew WilsonRight. However, if it harms him and his business, it's the same argument you're making for the AR-15. You're saying because other people may do bad thing
02:16:28
Andrew Wilsonwith this, right? May may do, you know, like horrible things. Some people may the vast majority of people do not, right? We need to govern their choice in order to have safety for society or
02:16:40
Andrew Wilsonsafety for individuals, right? How is it though that if you tell people who they have to hire, you're not also limiting choice? How how how does that work? It's
02:16:49
Kylie Brewernot saying who you have to hire. It's saying who you cannot discriminate against. Like you know the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
02:17:01
Kylie BrewerI think that racism is designed to combat or that legislation is designed to combat racism and sexism. Yeah. Versus like so the the protection is
02:17:11
Kylie Brewermore for the person like there's more protecting being done for the person who is being hired than there is harm being done to the business by being told they can't be racist. So that's how it
02:17:23
Kylie Breweroutweighs it. Can you demonstrate it? Sure. Um, so if I'm a woman and I'm equally qualified as a man and I go in to get a job and I, you know, they're
02:17:35
Kylie Brewertelling me that I can't be hired because I'm a woman, then that causes immense psych psychological and financial harm, right? For the company to have to hire me instead of the man, even though I'm
02:17:45
Kylie Brewerequally qualified, that does not actually harm them in any way because I have the same qualifications and abilities as the man does. Okay? I want to go buy a fully. Does that even
02:17:57
Andrew Wilsonharm the company? I don't know. Well, I think it does because well, because it limits the choices and demoralizes the agencies at the top who may not want to hire you for whatever arbitrary reason, but like let's say specifically it's
02:18:09
Andrew Wilsonlike they don't think women are good in like at the job. Sure. Let's just say that that's true. You think that should be pro protected. Well, I mean, from their view, it's going to hurt them, right? Like there's no doubt that that's going to hurt them. You may not agree
02:18:20
Kylie Brewerwith the reasoning why it hurts them, but you can't it's going to hurt them. Subjectivity versus like you're saying for the subject it's all subjective there, right? No, but the subjective No, I mean not necess like the objective there is an objective truth that
02:18:33
Andrew Wilsondiscrimination is harmful. Wait a second. You don't agree? Wait a second. Hang on a second. Then that would also be an objective truth then that if people are forced to do things they don't want to do like hire people they don't want to hire then I would make the
02:18:46
Andrew Wilsonsame argument that you think that's as bad as racism. Did I say as bad or objectively harmful? Okay so let's so so when I say like I want to go buy an an
02:18:56
Andrew WilsonAR-15 and you say no you can't. Right. That's doing the exact same thing. I don't understand like what's the distinction here? It sounds like you're telling me what I have to do. Yeah, I mean I think some people some
02:19:09
Kylie Brewerpeople see it that way. I I do have an interest in public safety though. So um I think that sometimes um you know certain actions if they're racist, sexist, harmful, cause a lot of
02:19:22
Kylie Brewerpsychological or financial or other physical harm, I don't think that those should be protected over the beliefs of the inferiority of a person. Are you aware of that? Based off of a characteristic they can't control. Yeah.
02:19:33
Kylie BrewerAre you aware of how many DEI laws there are? I mean, I know there's a roll back now that Trump is in office, but sure, go
02:19:44
Andrew Wilsonahead and explain. Yeah, I mean, um, when it comes to hiring practices or non-discriminatory practices, right? There's hundreds and hundreds of laws of both the local, state, and municipal and at the federal level, right? Hundreds
02:19:58
Andrew Wilsonand hundreds and hundreds which govern this behavior. M you're telling me that none of those, which all of them are designed to expand choice, are infringements upon the hiring practices of people want to hire who they want. Like if I wanted to
02:20:10
Kylie Brewerhave a male only firm because I just wanted one, why is that actually a problem, right? I mean, I guess to your point, there are like women onlyly gyms, you know, and yeah, if I want a male only
02:20:23
Andrew Wilsonfirm, and literally I'm public about it. I'm like, I just don't want to hire women cuz I don't really like them that much. If I just said that like outright, I just don't really like them that much and I just don't want to work with them
02:20:34
Andrew Wilsonand it's my company. I [ __ ] own it. I built it. I invented everything. What is actually the problem with that? Why can't I just do that? Um, why do you want to Why do you want to like infringe on my choices? Like the 1964 like Civil
02:20:47
Kylie BrewerRights Act is probably going to be a problem for you. I don't Well, let's Well, well, I mean, do you know what freedom of association is? Freedom to associate with who you want. Yeah. Do you think that that's an inherent right?
02:21:01
Kylie BrewerUm, I think for corporations, corporations aren't people. So, I don't corporations are people. What else would they be? They shouldn't be people. I think that's where we disagree because in a some cases the Supreme Court has upheld that the corporations like have
02:21:15
Andrew Wilsonthe same rights of people. So, if you own a company and you're religious, then you don't have to pay for like reproductive services or birth control, right? What else would you couldn't classify them as anything but people. People are the things which run corporations. Corporations are people. I
02:21:27
Kylie BrewerI disagree. Um, I think that corporations are entities. They are run by people, but I think that they should be held to different standards. Is there any conscious entity that you can think of that talks and can speak like you and
02:21:39
Andrew Wilsonme and make decisions like you and me that's not people? Um, yeah, sure. Uh, no. No. So, that I mean, if that's the case, they're making the same types of decisions that you and
02:21:50
Kylie BrewerI are making, why wouldn't they be assumed to be people? because they have different um sort of way like standards of operation. They have laws they have to follow that
02:22:01
Kylie Brewerare different from people like in terms of the government's eyes. I believe it should be considered not a person. I think it there are just it's fundamentally the way that it operates is different. I mean it's not one it's
02:22:12
Andrew Wilsonlike a conglomerate of things and um people who work in a company. So, like, so I don't have a corporation, let's say, then, and I have a private business practice, right, where I'm a landscaper, and I just, there's a woman who comes
02:22:25
Andrew Wilsonin, she's definitely qualified for the job, and there's a man who comes in who's slightly less qualified for the job, but I just kind of want to hire him anyway because I just don't really like women. Why is that not something I should have the freedom to choose for
02:22:38
Kylie Brewermyself? Why? I mean, I just think we're operating at a different moral capacity. I mean, a lot of my things that I say are rooted in morals, and you're making yours vote like in sort of like laws. I'm asking you for the moral argument.
02:22:49
Kylie BrewerI'm telling you that I believe it's wrong to make someone feel ashamed and not hire somebody and give them different outcome based off of their race or sex or But you don't believe it's wrong to tell people that they must
02:23:01
Kylie Brewerdo a thing they don't want to do? Not at all. No, I don't. Because I Because So then it's not about choice then, is it? I suppose if you want to make the argument you're making then no then it's
02:23:12
Andrew Wilsonnot really about choice. Okay. So the second pillar of feminism is uh not just debunked it like so fast just like that. It's pretty Yeah, it's pretty false. You just said it's not really about choice.
02:23:22
Kylie BrewerIt's really about an agenda, right? What was the third pillar of feminism? Um well I think we're getting close to the end. Is this what we want to talk about for the last, you know, few minutes?
02:23:33
Kylie BrewerWell, we have another 30 minutes. Sure. It's 5:59 right now. We have All right. Well, I might just have to take another break because I'm not feeling so hot. Is that all right? Um there. But
02:23:45
Brian AtlasI'll tell you what I would like to talk about next, though. Uh one thing here, I think it would be fair. I just told you I have medical issues though. Like I genuinely need to take a break. Hold on. I'm fine with you taking the breaks. Okay. But given the frequency and the
02:23:58
Brian Atlasduration of said breaks, I think it's reasonable to ask for an additional 10 15 minutes to make up for the breaks that have uh occurred thus
02:24:09
Kylie Brewerfar. Sure, I will give you 10 minutes more. We can go till 6:40, but other than that, I truly cannot stay longer. Like I have problems like Yeah. No, look, do you want to go ahead and take
02:24:21
Brian Atlasthe break and we'll let some chats come through? Okay.
02:24:32
Brian AtlasUh, all right. Uh, we're gonna Here's what we're going to do, guys. Uh, since we are getting close to the end of the show, make sure you get your messages in now. There's quite a few. Andrew, if you
02:24:43
Brian Atlascan just stay for just a sec. Uh, there's there's quite a few. Uh, we'll try to get them all in. Uh, we'll we'll do a bit more. So, streamlabs.com/ whatever. $99 TTS. Also, like the video if you're
02:24:56
Brian Atlasenjoying the stream. I need to do a quick sidebar with Andrew here really quick. I'm gonna put it on intro screen. Give me 10 15 seconds. We'll be right back.
02:25:38
All
02:25:50
Brian Atlasright. Sorry. Sorry about that, guys. We are back though. I'm going to read a couple chats here. Uh, Riptor, the problem with feminism is that men overwhelmingly allow allow women to redefine what masculinity should be,
02:26:02
Brian Atlaswhile women often concede no such ground to men who have a preference for how women should behave. How is this equality uh since she's gone? Andrew, do you want to quickly like Yeah, very
02:26:13
Andrew Wilsonquickly. Um, I this is why I always tie them to virtues and thus far nobody has argued this definition. It's a big defeater for feminist ideology as well.
02:26:24
Brian AtlasAll right, Riptor, thank you for that. We have Lucas. Here it is. Truth is, the little lady is weak and intellectually feeble. The other and otherwise mired in eco chamber with her views never challenged. Just a hunch here, love, but
02:26:36
Brian Atlasan oral argument in front of Scotus is probably not in the cards for you. Now, bring out the therapy dog. Um, okay. Uh, you know, I Lucas, I you maybe wanted that directed at her, but she she did
02:26:48
Brian Atlashave to step away for for a moment, but the audience uh did get to see it. And uh we do have a bit of a time limit here. So I'm going to see if there's any Streamlabs messages that we can let come
02:27:00
Brian Atlasthrough. Get the super bring in the super chats. Do it. Let's see here. One sec, guys. There's a lot. So I'll try to get through to all of them. Uh one sec.
02:27:12
SPEAKER_05Ah, shoot. Uh we have USMConated $100. Big fan of Andrew even though I'm older
02:27:23
SPEAKER_05than him. Member at Crucible. This lady hasn't had an argument since you hacked her phone reception. Lola. Yeah, we uh you know we've got what what
02:27:35
Brian AtlasFaraday cage in the studio, so they can't. It allows our signal to get out, but uh All right. Thank you for that. Christopher Murphy, thank you. Or Christopher Christopher Murphy is about
02:27:46
SPEAKER_05to come through USMC. Thank you. Christopher Murphy donated $100. I'm a proud Crucible member. You and Rachel are finally getting the
02:27:55
Brian Atlasrecognition you two deserve. Keep it up. Brian, don't apologize for being a good host. You're the man. I appreciate it, Christopher. Thank you. I I'm trying to
02:28:05
Kylie Brewerbe as fair as I can. Um, all right. Here, I'll let the I've actually had someone offer to pay me because I'm assuming if I leave early, you won't pay me. So, but I've had someone in my comments offer to pay me the amount that
02:28:17
Brian AtlasI was paid to be here. So, I'm going to go because I again I have medical problems. I'm not feeling good. What if somebody in our chat offers to pay you more?
02:28:30
Kylie BrewerDo you think they would? Yeah. Well, they would pay me and then Yes. If someone offered, I would stay and I would cry on camera, but I don't know if they will.
02:28:42
SPEAKER_01This is why we have the wage gap. This is literally why we have the wage gap, ladies and gentlemen. But I highly doubt that someone will offer that. I wonder. So they're they're offering you
02:28:55
Brian Atlasuh they're offering me 50. So So if you stay for another two hours, what what would that cost? Oh my god. Like 500
02:29:04
Brian Atlasbucks? No. My god. More on top. like probably double double uh 500 or so thousand the
02:29:16
Brian Atlasoriginal. Okay. Double the original. So I think we would need in order would you actually if if it was doubled would you if it was actually doubled I would stay cuz again I am like I do have problem
02:29:28
SPEAKER_01like so I could probably stay a little longer. Two hours. I would just have to beyond. So we're talking 8 uh 8:30.
02:29:37
Brian AtlasSure. Then I would I would need like triple because I I like Troy triple. You're a tough negotiator, Kylie. You're a tough negotiator. Again, this girl over here, tough negotiator. I genuinely do have shoes though. Like I'm not
02:29:50
SPEAKER_01That's not a lie. So I just don't like to talk about it, but I like I have a hard time. Yeah. Like I could like What is the issue anyway? I don't really like
02:30:01
SPEAKER_01to talk about it, but I've had like concussions and stuff like that. So concussions you are you brain TBI? It's well yeah I mean traumatic brain injury. Yeah it was a traumatic it was it's like
02:30:13
Brian AtlasI get like really bad headaches and like do you want we have like breathing Tylenol or ibuprofen. We could give you
02:30:22
SPEAKER_01but I don't really want to go too much into it. Okay. Um but um I have had someone offer me but I just don't think this is a good environment. So, I think um I'll just
02:30:34
SPEAKER_01take the offer that the person has given me of the original amount and I'm just going to head out. I think so. Yeah. I just um I think my health and is more important than whatever you've offered
02:30:46
Brian Atlasme, which is not much. So, I mean, I don't think it's fair. You know, we've been very generous here at the whatever podcast. I don't know if that's a fair categorization. So, you said the double. So if somebody does essentially
02:30:58
Kylie Breweruh somebody want to send in like an Ethereum and and again like this isn't really my network so I I don't think anyone's going to offer it. So but I guess you know nothing is impossible. Um
02:31:10
Brian Atlasare there any takers in the chat who want to see this? Wait, let me ask the chat. Why don't I pull the chat chat? Does anybody want another two uh uh 2
02:31:20
Brian Atlashours on top of so like 8:40 Pacific time? Pacific. Is it standard time or standard? Is it standard time or is it
02:31:31
Andrew Wilsondaylight? All right. Standard. I know how we can raise the money. So here on my notepad right down here. Okay. I have We're going to play hangman. I'll play hangman. Chat. We're going to play Okay. Yeah. We're going to play chat. Hangman.
02:31:45
Andrew WilsonOkay. Hey, here's what we're going to do. We're going to play chat hangman. It's only four letters. That's it. You send in a hundred bucks. It gives you the letter. I'll put in the letter, but we got to do it quick. Okay. And then
02:31:58
Andrew WilsonI'm going to rule them out. We'll play chat hangman. That's how we'll raise the [ __ ] We'll look. Hey, tell me. You got a better idea? You got nothing. All right, let's do chat hangman going. Let's Let's do a crystalall pop. A crystal pop. You got ogle in the chat.
02:32:10
SPEAKER_01You guys have been lovely, but I really like again I need to leave. Like I'm not feeling good. But do you Well, I appreciate the debate. It was fun. Do you want to give a closing statement?
02:32:22
Kylie BrewerMy closing statement is that I love to learn and to meet new people. And I I wasn't putting my medical issue aside for money. I didn't know how long this
02:32:33
SPEAKER_01was going to be. That was my fault, I will admit. But I appreciate like learning new perspectives. I was hoping this would be a more calm and demure experience because I've been trying to be more, you know, about facts and
02:32:45
Kylie Brewernegotiating, but I appreciate the time that I've had here. Um, and I'm, you know, looking forward to learning more about you both. So, wait, what does that mean? Oh, I I just I mean like like learning more about like I I knew about
02:32:58
Brian Atlasyour network before coming in. I had seen some videos, but now I'm more interested in like you guys. Yeah. So, um, what about this? We'll double We'll
02:33:07
Brian Atlasdouble uh but we add two hours on top. So that's uh it's like we'll double it. I'm not going to ask the audience. We'll double it. Whatever podcast we'll double
02:33:17
SPEAKER_01it, right? Uh you stay. If I didn't have an actual issue, I would stay for the money. Like if that makes sense. But I I I like have to go. So I'm going to go. Like it's not like a money thing
02:33:29
Brian Atlasanymore. Are you willing to stay for Andrew's closing statement and a few chats? Yeah, I will stay for that. But can we make it five minutes? Okay, 10 minutes. That's fair. That seems fair. I I mean
02:33:41
SPEAKER_05I'm I literally just here just We got Leonitis here. Listen to Leonitis. Then Andrew is going to give his closing statement. Leonitis donated $100. Kylie curious age of kids you
02:33:52
SPEAKER_05teach. Also, what is a woman? Also, are women as a group oppressed in the USA? If so, how are you as a woman oppressed?
02:34:03
Kylie BrewerIf so, how? And are men as a group oppressed? And you said you're an educator. Are you teaching? Like, are you tutoring? I'm a private tutor. And I'm also a substitute teacher and I
02:34:14
Kylie Brewerteach in, you know, three primary high schools in Chicago. Um, yeah. So, you teach like uh elementary school kids? No, high school. Oh, high school. Okay. Uh, he asked, "What is a woman?" Quick
02:34:24
Kylie Breweranswer if you can. I think um a woman is someone who is I mean it depends like biologically female is different from being a woman but someone who is a woman is someone who's
02:34:36
Kylie Brewercharacteristically a person who um you know associates themselves with femininity and that is open to interpretation of who wants to identify as one. If I may just ask one clarifying
02:34:45
Kylie Brewerquestion can a uh can a female become a male or can a male become a female? Like biologically speaking, I believe like you know the sexes of male and female but I think if a person wants to be a
02:34:57
Brian Atlaswoman or a man. Absolutely. Yeah. Uh and then uh are women as a group oppressed in the USA? Your answer? Um I think it's possible but I really need to leave. Can may I just at least Can you stay for
02:35:09
Brian AtlasAndrew's clothes? No, I don't. Look, we're not we're not kidnapping you. We're just I'm just asking if you can at least stay. You have to clarify you're not kidding. Yeah. Yeah. But you said you could stay five minutes. Come on.
02:35:21
SPEAKER_01I'm leaving. I I mean what? No, I'm going. But I hope you guys have a good day. Thank you for the experience.
02:35:31
Brian AtlasAre you oppressed? Do you want to just answer that? You don't need to say into the mic. Just yell it out maybe.
02:35:43
Andrew WilsonThat's my closing statement. But for a champagne pop, for a champagne pop, you guys were here for this. For a champagne pop, I will send you the Andrew Wilson notepad with a special
02:35:55
Andrew Wilsonnote right here for all my feminist um little notes that I took along with the complete and total dominant victory. I
02:36:03
Brian Atlaswin. I [ __ ] win. Just saying. It does say I just just want to point I win. I think that was a pretty I mean that's a pretty decisive victory. I'd like to
02:36:15
SPEAKER_02congratulate you on your victory as the moderator. Pretty happy. Pretty happy about it. Not upset a bit. The thing is is like um I Why Why are they so
02:36:26
SPEAKER_02[ __ ] you know these are the [ __ ] ass kicking? Oh, women can [ __ ] be in the military and ninja up men. They [ __ ] You get in a debate with them and suddenly they're [ __ ] crying and [ __ ] You barely say anything. Barely
02:36:38
Andrew Wilsonsay anything. [ __ ] [ __ ] tired of it, dude. Tired of it. [ __ ] chirro on the one hand and then on the other hand they're so sensitive they just break immediately because you're just talking about you're having
02:36:50
Andrew Wilsona [ __ ] debate. What does she think a debate with? You know what it is? I know what it is. They think a debate is they hit the mute button on TikTok and then just talk to talk at you. That's what
02:37:01
Brian Atlasthey think a [ __ ] debate is. And you were there was like a both of you were doing it a little like uh mocking each other which is fair. It's a
02:37:13
SPEAKER_03debate. It's rhetoric. It's rhetoric. I you know look uh she had a bit of a tone. The men do it. The men do. Hey, we want equality. Was there not a man yesterday who we were going back and
02:37:25
SPEAKER_03forth? Lots of mocking going on. [ __ ] like that. Well, that guy on Thursday, too. Yeah. And did it look like Did it look like anybody was going quiet? Go. Well, you know what's interesting,
02:37:38
Brian AtlasAndrew? You've raised this point before, is that, you know, you're treating them as equals because you, when you're debating a man,
02:37:48
Brian Atlasso you conduct yourself in the same way. Exactly the same way. And so, you're giving her equality basically. I'm You You tend to word this a little better than I do. I'm I'm treating her exactly like I
02:38:01
Andrew Wilsonwould treat a man, which is exactly what she demands I do. Which is wild to me. And you know, we've had so many debates now, nobody can say any different. Nobody could ever accuse Andrew Wilson of not being the same
02:38:12
Andrew Wilsonuniversally with men and women. And the the thing is is like look at the reaction and there's and they they pretend that they want give me a [ __ ] break. They the like a [ __ ] cheap chair. I barely
02:38:25
Andrew Wilsoneven pushed on the world view. I barely even pushed on. She had 10 topics. I had one topic. We get to my topic first. The rest of it's going to be a critique back. And what happens? Folds right
02:38:36
Andrew Wilsonaway. [ __ ] ridiculous. Andrew, let me ask you, uh, can you ask the audience to like the video? We need to like We need likes on the ladies and gentlemen, especially those of you watching live from the Crucible who right now are putting W's in the chat. And you better
02:38:49
Andrew Wilsonget the [ __ ] over here on whatever and put W's in the chat here as well. Please like the video and send in just hundreds and hundreds of dollars for the kindness of Brian. He did, by the way, on his own
02:39:00
Andrew Wilsondime fly me out here. He did take care of the hotel rooms. We do want to we do want to we do want to play the kickback game. Remember the Crucible's motto is always we take care of the people who
02:39:10
Brian Atlastake care of us. Thank you, Andrew. Appreciate that. And uh by the way, I just you know, I was getting a little heat in the chat at the beginning of the show when I was kind of trying to mo
02:39:22
Andrew Wilsontrying my best to it's an impossible it's an impossible position for Brian to be in for those of you who think well that's not really fair or Brian's being too nice or something like this. Brian's
02:39:33
Andrew Wilsonjob is to keep the debate on course. It's a way harder job than you think when you have such ideological distinctions. You're trying to keep the peace. Cut him a little slack. I've been in his chair hundreds of times. Not that
02:39:45
Brian Atlaschair, but been in the moderator chair hundreds of times, and I'm telling you, it's a harder job than you think. Guys, if you want, get in some chats here. Uh $100 TTS if you want. Uh maybe we'll uh
02:39:58
Brian Atlasif you're fine with it, Andrew, we we'll probably try to wrap this earlier than we have been usually, but maybe we'll lower the TTS a little bit. Let some audience questions come through. Let them roll, ma'am. Yeah. And by the way, I I I I win. Oh, were you playing
02:40:10
Andrew Wilsonhangman or no? Oh, you win. Yeah. Well, that was the four-letter. That was the four letter was going to be I win. I thought it was clever. Here, I'm going to read. Pretty good for a guy with an average IQ against a 150 IQ. You know what's funny actually, Andrew? The that
02:40:23
Andrew Wilsonwoman on Twitter who was who she challenged you to do a IQ test. An IQ test. Yeah. And Brian contacted her. It was Jiggly and said, "Okay, I'll we'll we'll do it." He would get a person in here who was unbiased to give the IQ
02:40:36
Brian Atlastest. And guess who didn't want to do one? Yeah, we're She said, you know, I've been waiting on her to try to give me a date. She's not going to do She's not
02:40:47
Brian Atlasgoing to do an IQ test because she was a DEI hire. We have Kakashi. Thank for the super chat. Thanks to Andrew and Brian for pressing feminist women and men for their weak world views. From the outside looking in, seems like what these
02:41:00
Brian Atlasdebates are asking feminists to do is uphold uh world views to a standard. Sometimes the answer is not it depends, it's relative. Thank you, Kakashi, for that. Lenny, thanks for the gifted membership. Appreciate it. Thank you.
02:41:11
Andrew WilsonThank you. If guys, if you want, let's get it in. By the way, to once again the whatever audience for being kind enough to host me. It's always a pleasure to see you guys. Um, I know that there's a
02:41:23
Brian Atlasthere's a bit of crosspollination where you guys come over and chat with me in the Discord from time to time. I really do appreciate that. All right, here's what we're going to do, guys. We'll do if you we'll do like Q&A for a little bit. We're going
02:41:34
Brian Atlasto lower it to a $69 TTS. Give me a sec to get that going. I'll let some chats come through here. Maybe Andrew can answer some of them. And I do apologize. I know some of you guys directed these chats at her, but she left. Nothing I
02:41:47
SPEAKER_05can do, but I'll let them come through. Thank you, Jason. Appreciate it. Jason Castle donated $100. A hostile environment. What? Are you implying that you feel threatened by
02:41:57
SPEAKER_05Andrew and Brian because they are asking questions? You really are Bos. You are trying to hurt their reputation. Real Bos. Well, and Brian did every Do you know why Brian tried to extend that? He
02:42:10
Andrew Wilsonwas trying to extend it so that she could meet her agreement so that he could pay her out. That was the ultimate [ __ ] kindness. He was trying to extend it to make sure that she met her into the obligation and she just
02:42:20
Andrew Wilsonrefused. She just adamantly refused. In fact, told Brian, "Stuff your stuff. Stuff what our end is in our deal. Somebody else offered me a higher bid. I bid you a due." And it's like, you think, "Well, Brian, why is Brian trying
02:42:33
Brian Atlasto keep her here?" Well, he's just trying to make sure that she upholds her end of the of the the contract, right? Yeah. And not I mean, not to mention also uh you know, we have we've had a
02:42:45
Brian Atlaslot of uh scheduled things for Andrew so far, but we had this scheduled for him today. He flew all the way from Michigan, you know, the flight, the hotel, all
02:42:56
Brian Atlasthat. Not to mention his preparation for the debate, which Andrew does significant preparation for the shows and don't want wasted time and money for
02:43:06
Brian Atlasfor either of us. So that's just Yeah. Anyways, um we have Michael G here. I live for the rage quit. Now we get quality bro time. That's right. Uh her
02:43:16
Brian Atlasasking the moderator she was a if she could leave is proof her worldview shattered. The patriarchy wins again. And the second the sec I can tell you the exact moment it was. One of you guys can clip it. The exact moment was when I
02:43:28
Andrew Wilsonsaid, "How is that not you appealing to the patriarchy?" And the the thing that she said is she went through it and she was like, "Well, it is true that we have to appeal to the government, which is mostly run by
02:43:39
Andrew Wilsonmen and then went like this." And that was it. That's when it shattered. Just so you guys know, you can look that up. I took a little note in my notepad. It was right then that it clicked.
02:43:51
Andrew WilsonI should actually I've got Patrice there. I should actually put a black crystal. Black crystal. Yes. Yeah, that's appreciate that. I'll just leave this one here. All right. There crystals. The pink the pink one seems a
02:44:03
Brian Atlaslittle gendered, Brian. You know that. Yeah, that seems a little bit gendered. Uh All right. We have uh Thank you, Michael, for that. Appreciate it. Uh let me I need to get everything changed, but
02:44:14
Brian AtlasI'll try to get these uh coming through here. One moment, guys. And guys, if you're enjoying the stream, once again, like the video. We have Christopher Murphy for the fund. Christopher Murphy
02:44:25
Andrew Wilsondonated $100. I tried. I tried the fund. Well, it's going to go into the Brian back pocket fund, which he deserves. He took um you know, he he he spent uh several for those of you who don't know,
02:44:38
Andrew Wilsonlet me give you a little bit of backstory. Brian has spent several weeks several weeks. In fact, it was over a month. Um, you know, presetting these up in order to meet with my schedule
02:44:50
Andrew Wilsonappropriately so that everybody can kind of converge at the same time uh for the purposes of getting these debates done, the panels done, this and that. It's a lot of work. You know what I mean? It's a lot of work and you can imagine flying
02:45:03
Andrew Wilsonpeople from all over the country from different locations into one location, setting them up with hotels, airplane tickets, uh, all of that. It's a ton of work. You know what I mean? So, credit where credit's due. Thank you, man. We
02:45:15
Brian Atlasuh you know, a month in advance, all of these were planned and so far, I got to say, they've gone pretty well. Yeah, these have been some really good shows and uh yeah, there's a lot that goes
02:45:26
Brian Atlasinto doing the guest booking and you know, there's people who are in, they cancel, got to bring somebody else in. And uh well, especially the the and you've probably encountered this because
02:45:37
Brian Atlasyou request to debate people. It's uh it's difficult to get left-leaning Democrat feminist people to step outside their uh their mute button. Yeah. So,
02:45:49
Andrew Wilsonit's difficult to get it's difficult to get uh opposition who will debate uh who will actually show up and debate. Um and he he's right about that. Not only is he
02:45:59
Andrew Wilsonright about this, but let me give you um an interesting example. So, you guys have been live with me many times during the Tik Tok invasions. You might as well call them the mute Andrew invasions
02:46:10
Andrew Wilsonbecause the second I make a point muted and then overtalking. What happened here was immediately I can tell you how this went. It was this idea of social dominance. So the idea started with like
02:46:21
Andrew Wilsonyou will not do this and the idea of me laughing and scoffing at the very idea that you're going to govern how I debate. That was it. The second it was the realization is well I can't control
02:46:32
Andrew Wilsonthe tone. I can't mute. I can't threaten. I can't abuse. That's when it was over, right? And so then the world view collapses shortly after there because you you don't have
02:46:44
Andrew Wilsonany control anymore over what the opponent's asking or what the debate um you know is over. Where I take it or where you take it is no longer specifically up to you. This whole
02:46:56
Andrew Wilsonthing, all of this, by the way, just so that you know, was about one thing. Wasn't about no chick being [ __ ] sick. Don't be stupid. It wasn't about no [ __ ] health issues. Don't be
02:47:06
Andrew Wilsonstupid. It was about one thing and that was I want control and I don't have it and that's it. And for any of you who wanted to know what feminist ideology is really like in front of a patriarch, you
02:47:19
Andrew Wilsonjust saw it. And well, in front not a patriarch, but in front of the patriarchy, right? In front of anybody who won't cowtow to a feminist. That's actually what usually happens. And then they go appeal to simps and the simps need to come beat me up and do this to
02:47:32
Andrew Wilsonme. You know what I mean? That's how they actually run their um their ideology, their ideological worldviews, their NOS's, all their bull. That's how they run it. All right, guys. We've gotten the TTS
02:47:43
Brian Atlaslowered $69 TTS. On that point, though, Andrew, um do you think some of that was um performative manipulation? Of course.
02:47:55
Andrew WilsonOf course. But it starts with this idea. The idea was like, "You will do this." And the second the second there's no cowtowing. And I say, "No, I'm not going
02:48:06
Andrew Wilsonto do that. I'm going to have a legitimate debate like I always do." That's it. Right. What do you mean? I can't threaten. I can't coers. I can't browbeat. I can't do this. And then the
02:48:19
Andrew Wilsonsecond that Now, what happens when all of that fails? What happened? The water works. The final form of manipulation. Oh, I can't coers. I can't threaten. I can't do this. This guy doesn't give a [ __ ] He doesn't care if I rage quit,
02:48:31
Andrew Wilsonright? He does. He doesn't care. He's here to have a debate. Then came the manipulation. That's the waterworks. I health, you know, and I'll cry. But what did she say? I'll cry on camera for
02:48:43
Andrew Wilsonenough money. Don't tell me it's not [ __ ] manipulation. I'll cry on camera for enough money. Brian, did she say that? Yeah. She said, "I'll stay and cry on camera if it's for $1,000." Oh, man. That's wild. It's unbelievable. And like
02:48:55
Andrew Wilsonyou guys, you guys, you know exactly what I'm tell you. See, how many hundreds of these have you seen now with me and feminists? It's always the same [ __ ] If they can't control or dominate,
02:49:05
Brian Atlasright, they lose their [ __ ] minds. Uh, Kaibaka again, I'm sorry. I don't know why Streamlabs keeps doing this. Uh, she looks like she
02:49:16
Brian Atlasgifted 20. Yo, Kaiaka, thank you. 20 gifted memberships over there on Twitch. We're We're going to let Do you see Michael, bro? So funny. I'll pull it up in just a sec. Let me uh let me get
02:49:28
SPEAKER_05these Streamlabs, though. We have PeaceCraft here. Hey, PeaceCraft. Thank you. Peacecraft donated $100. I strongly support the woman's right to pro-choice. And you should pro-choose to get the flowers out of the
02:49:40
Andrew Wilsondebate chair after getting your bunnies paddled. Refund the degree. Almost for that, Mr. Peacecraft should be allowed back in the Discord mystery
02:49:51
Andrew Wilsonjust for that comment, you know, make it so. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I can see PeaceCraft already seething. I do love you, PeaceCraft. You know that we have Lucas here on Streamlabs. Thank
02:50:02
SPEAKER_05you, Lucas. Lucas donated $100. Appreciate it, man. One/ho screw the tone policing and her playing the crying woman card. Toughen up, buttercup. Dot. There are a [ __ ] ton of female attorneys
02:50:14
Andrew Wilsonthat are total beasts. Do you think Camille Vasquez Johnny Depp to which he continues and it's hard for me to argue with that because I've had feminists across from me who go right for the
02:50:26
Andrew Wilsonjugular and they're brutal debaters and I'm like you know [ __ ] yeah here we go. You know what I mean? Let's [ __ ] do this. What a [ __ ] disappointment.
02:50:36
Brian AtlasWhat a [ __ ] disappointment. Right. Right. And you know what? She she could have just made arguments. Yeah, she could have just made arguments. I would have loved that. That would have been
02:50:46
Brian Atlasgood, but half the time it was tone policing and yeah. So, uh, we have Lucas with his continued message here. Thank you. Lucas donated
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SPEAKER_05$100. Two/ dot dot would have wimpered out like this manipulative snowflake. You should be embarrassed. The world has no obligation to coddle you and cater to your weak constitution. Especially when
02:51:08
Andrew Wilsonyou're saying that women are not in a position of privilege, but are instead the oppressed class and that they deserve the equality with men. You can't even sit across with one and have a [ __ ] debate. You I you guys, you
02:51:19
Andrew Wilsondon't even have a perspective because it's on camera. This table is really long across, right? We're not that close to each other at all. Like there's no
02:51:31
Andrew Wilsonthere's just nothing. You know what I mean? Like the whole thing is [ __ ] cope. That's why the water works happened. Do you really believe? Does Do any of you really believe that suddenly this chick forgot she had a medical
02:51:43
Andrew Wilsoncondition that she didn't previously disclose? Suddenly she's crying because of this medical condition and on top of that didn't do any research on how long these debates go even though Brian asked her, "Haven't you done research?" And
02:51:56
Brian Atlasshe's like, "Yeah, the last two have been about 5 hours plus." So she knew. It's [ __ ] It's [ __ ] [ __ ] Mhm. Also, just I want to add one point
02:52:06
Brian Atlasof clarification. I originally reached out back I reached out to her March 28th of this year. So that's almost two
02:52:16
Brian Atlasmonths ago. Uh asking if she would like to come do a debate on our podcast. Um and let's see. Yeah. And I think we we
02:52:27
Andrew Wilsonlocked it in. Uh, well, how does that feel for an almost 100 IQ guy if I'm lucky on a good day against a 150 IQer, Brian? How that must all of those
02:52:38
Andrew Wilsondegrees and all that big IQ, you know, to some guy who [ __ ] is drinking some mixed vodka and soda drink. Very masculine drink you have there in your
02:52:48
Andrew Wilsonhand. That That wasn't like a shot, was it, Brian? That wasn't a shot at [ __ ] Not a shot. It is a masculine. It's very masculine drink. Uh,
02:53:00
SPEAKER_05we got Shaw here coming in. Hey, Chaw. Thank you, man. Your XD donated $69. What are the odds she was soliciting excuses to leave each break she took?
02:53:10
Brian AtlasSeems pretty high to me. I suppose in fairness to her, having your world view dismantled is pretty There's no way he's not right. I've been there. Oh, well, a couple things. You remember when her
02:53:21
Brian Atlasphone went off? I could I guarantee you she probably didn't end up using the excuse, but it was like, "Oh, somebody's calling me." Uh, you know, you ever like, "How do I get out of a situation? Okay, call me in 10 minutes. Tell me I
02:53:34
Andrew Wilsongot to go." What happened was made the excuse to go into the bathroom to make the text and then Right. That's Yeah, that the whole thing was Yeah, it was set up for sure. He's right. Tell me
02:53:45
Brian Atlashe's not right. Well, and what's weird though is who would offer to like the conversation was pretty tame. It was it was especially look maybe at the beginning it was what even at the
02:53:56
Brian Atlasbeginning when there was a a modeicum of heat it wouldn't have warranted I need to leave but then that passed the conversation she was losing the debate
02:54:08
Brian Atlasbut the conversation was fine. Yeah, conversation was fine. No need to leave at that point but whatever. Uh, we'll let the rest of these chats come
02:54:17
SPEAKER_05through. We have But you know what she'll do? I tan donated $100. Wait, wait. She can handle teaching at three Chicago high schools, but the
02:54:29
Andrew Wilsonslightest push back and she gets crippling headaches. What a load of Oh, total [ __ ] That's a good That's a really good total [ __ ] Well, not just that, bro. like Sancho, let's point
02:54:40
Andrew Wilsonthis out that um Brian was extremely charitable and we came down on her end. Came down on her end and was like, "No, this is going to go uh Andrew, you're going to A, B, C,
02:54:53
Andrew Wilsonand D." And I was like, "Okay, I'll conform to the moderator." Now, that's part of my agreement. Part of my agreement when I come on the show is that yes, I will adhere to moderation. And I've always been pretty good about doing that. There's sometimes where I
02:55:03
Andrew Wilsonget maybe upset with the moderator as every debater is going to do, right? But I that's part of the agreement is to adhere to moderation. That's what makes a debate fair. There is no [ __ ] way
02:55:15
Andrew Wilsonno way that this wasn't a setup, dude. Where she was setting up an exit strategy when she realized she was losing and losing quickly. M and with
02:55:25
Brian Atlasthe phone also this do you think that uh and it hasn't come up too much in previous debates we should disallow phone usage. Do you think that that like neither
02:55:38
Andrew Wilsonperson can use their phone? I think cuz she was on it. I think it's fair to I'm like I'm okay when people are bringing up stats and she's like let's pull up the stats. You got to have some way to do that. In a legitimate debate you
02:55:50
Andrew Wilsonshould be able to pull up the stats that you want. But what happened was I crushed her with the stats immediately. And what what got her immediately was she was like, "Well, I just looked those up and I can't find them anywhere. Do
02:56:02
Andrew Wilsonyou know how long that comprehensive analysis is?" And I'm like, "There's no [ __ ] way." And one of the chatters points out, he's like, "Go to page this, this, this. Everything Andrew is saying
02:56:12
Andrew Wilsonis right there." Oh, but I looked. She didn't look. What? She was not prepared for the argument. And neither are most of these sociologists who are feminists. They're never prepared for the argument that these people are [ __ ] wrong
02:56:25
Andrew Wilsonabout their stats. They're wrong about the things that they're saying. They're not telling you the truth about any of this. Feminism has led to far more abuse of women than anything a patriarchal system could ever even envision.
02:56:40
Andrew WilsonSo, you think allow the phones? I think you should allow the phones for the purposes of stats. I don't think that like chat gpting an argument is legit. Yeah. But I think that if we're doing statistics or we're pulling up studies,
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SPEAKER_05I need to be able to look at what she's referencing. She needs to like I'm fine with that. Got it. Got some chat. That seems I mean that seems fair, right? Intel Wild donated