Debate RAGE QUIT/She Is SUING?! 150 IQ Ivy League Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson | Whatever Debates #19
Date: 2025-05-18
Duration: 3h 39m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Kylie Brewer(guest)
SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:00:00
IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Kylie Brewer (Brown University, claimed IQ ~150)
00:13:30
ControversyKylie walks away after Andrew says 'you don't have your TikTok mute button, sweetheart'
00:59:25
Key MomentAndrew presents Force Doctrine. Kylie concedes: 'Currently in the patriarchal society, yes [women appeal to men for safety].'
01:24:45
QuoteKylie claims IQ approximately 150
02:23:00
Key MomentKylie concedes pillar 2 of feminism 'is not really about choice' when tested with gun rights
02:29:00
OtherRAGE QUIT: Kylie leaves permanently. Brian offers double fee. Andrew holds up 'I WIN' notepad.
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Opening Statements
Kylie cites wage gap, WHO violence stats. Andrew attacks McKenzie study replication failure.
00:13:30
First Walkout Threat
Kylie walks away after Andrew says 'you don't have your TikTok mute button, sweetheart.'
00:19:00
DV and SA Statistics
Contested stats: WHO 1-in-3 vs NIS showing 68% maltreated children harmed by females.
00:59:25
Force Doctrine
Andrew's Force Doctrine: women's rights derive from men's physical supremacy. Kylie concedes women appeal to men for safety.
02:10:00
Four Pillars of Feminism
Kylie presents 4 feminist pillars. Andrew debunks pillar 2 (expand choice) using gun rights contradiction.
02:29:00
Final Rage Quit
Kylie leaves permanently. Brian offers double fee. She says she'd cry for triple. Andrew holds up 'I WIN' notepad.
02:36:55
Post-Debate Commentary
Brian and Andrew analyze the rage quit. Book recommendations. Champagne for $1K donation.
Transcript
Page 2 of 4
00:59:17
Andrew Wilsoncame up with which tries to describe a phenomenon which you yourself are going to have to concede is true that half of the world right now if men decide to they can basically exterminate every
00:59:29
Andrew Wilsonsingle woman inside of their nations and there's not a damn thing women can do about it. We can find this in most of the Middle Eastern nations. We can find this basically anywhere that we look. Right? They can't actually do anything
00:59:39
Andrew Wilsonabout it. Also when it comes to rights, rights are a social construction product of the mind because of that they are not inherent. And since this is the case, force is what is the practical
00:59:51
Andrew Wilsonapplicator. And if men decided to by force take away women's rights, women cannot do anything about it, the opposite is not true. If women wanted to take away men's rights uh and men didn't
01:00:02
Andrew Wilsonwant to let them, they could not. And because of this force doctrine application, women's rights all come from men, not inherently from themselves. Therefore, feminism is a
01:00:13
Kylie Brewerlie. Complete lie. That's force doctrine. I don't know if you had anything to say about it. Um well, aside from the fact that that is genuinely a terrifying idea, um I think
01:00:25
Kylie Brewerthat the idea that men could just take away our rights and wipe us away is the nec is why feminism is necessary is because um we are trying to get enough men I suppose on our side if you think about it in terms of like a military occupation so that we that wouldn't
01:00:38
Kylie Brewerhappen. Um because I think that it is possible for men to take away our rights at a blanket pace. But I don't agree with your conclusion based off that premise though. I don't believe that women inherently don't have rights that it's given to us by men. And the reason
01:00:49
Kylie Brewerwhy is because I believe that all human beings inherently should have equality and human dignity which is a although I'm not Catholic. It's a term that was very much focused on in my Catholic high school. I went to public school and then Catholic
01:01:02
Kylie Brewerabout humanity. Yeah. It's just a matter. Yeah. I mean it's still like important though to me because I think that because the societies that we have created have necess necessitated the the need or have created the need for um
01:01:14
Kylie Brewerlaws and for structure and government. And so there are many philosophers that have talked about how important it is to have government, right? But because of the fact that men can take it away does
01:01:24
Kylie Brewernot mean that men g thus give to us, right? Like men are not gods. It is it is something that is inherent to each of us that we should have the ability to live and self-govern and have autonomy and um I think the fact that men could
01:01:37
Kylie Brewertake it away actually goes to my point about how a lot of them do and a lot of them try to take our autonomy and um make us feel unsafe and harm us um which you were previously refuting but actually seems like you agree with me on that that it's a possibility for men to
01:01:49
Andrew Wilsondo that. No no it's well it's descriptively true. I'm not giving an aught. I'm giving a descriptive of descriptive reality. But because it's a descriptive reality, we have the truth is is that you appealed to patriarchy. I have no idea what I I have not said
01:02:02
Andrew Wilsonappeal to patriarchy. What are you talking about? When you said the whole goal is to get more men on our side. You're appealing to a patriarch. The whole goal, but is a goal. Yes, I should correct myself. And so what you're trying to do is you're trying to appeal
01:02:13
Andrew Wilsonto the very demographic which can take away your rights at any time, conceding that if you do not have them on your side, you cannot maintain your rights. That is not ever true of men, which is why you'll always end up with a default
01:02:26
Andrew Wilsonpatriarchy. The more especially the more feminist push. I don't know if you're looking at the modern world. Oh, it's the modern world cuz not necessarily a default. It's always going to be a default. But in a lot of tribes, they were very matriarchal and like women were at the head of the family. There's never been a matriarch in the world.
01:02:39
Andrew WilsonThat is not true at all. Give me one. Okay, I will look it up. It's going to be an Indian tribe and I'll refute it. Watch. Well, indigenous people largely have. It's going to be an Indian tribe and I'm going to refute it. I think you should just use the term ind. I think you should just use the term Indian. I
01:02:51
Andrew Wilsondon't see any problem with it at all. Oh, I think they do. I don't think so. Indians themselves call themselves Indians often. Indigenous people in the United States do not call themselves Indians. Yes, they do. Just like black people call themselves black people, not
01:03:02
Andrew WilsonAfrican-American. What are you talking about? Um, do you think that all black people call themselves African-American? This is a moot point, so I'm not going to even go into this with you. Well, you're the one who wanted to tell police and say that I had to say Native
01:03:13
Kylie BrewerAmerican instead of Indian. Um, so basically, I'm pulling up the matriarchs for you. Um, and there are obviously a number of societies that have thrived
01:03:24
Kylie Brewerand there's a whole document, but in China, um, in Costa Rica, the Briber people, yeah, name one. Any of them that you think is a matriarchy. Okay. Um, a matriarchal society. They have a society
01:03:36
Kylie Brewerwith an estimated 12,000 to 35,000 members. That is a matriarchy. And that is B R I B R I Bri in Costa Rica. Or you could look at the um there's a Kenyan tribe that's u M OJ A. um that are all
01:03:49
Andrew Wilsonmatriarchies. They have women at the helm that are leading their why the Bribery tribe societies often describes matrineal, it's not actually a matriarchy. Women are the heads of households responsible for passing down
01:04:00
Andrew Wilsonculture and land. But the men have the most important role as the authority officers of the tribe. They are the ones who defend and ult they have chiefs too. Male chief, that's not a matriarchy. Well, this I found a different article.
01:04:13
Kylie BrewerWe could just go back and forth all day. Yeah, let's look at it. Um, so the brib. So this is the intercontinental cryb bre. I don't know if you speak Spanish, but bribun matriarch mo. So I speak a little bit, not like I'm not like fully
01:04:25
Kylie Brewerfluent, but anyways. And they're talking about how um the clan structure means that tribal lineage is passed down through the mother and matrineally. Yes. And also in the home I know the difference. But if something is matrinal doesn't make it a matriarchy. I know.
01:04:38
Andrew WilsonBut they're saying that women in this article play a primary role in in government as well in Yeah. Not. But see what you did there? You did a smuggle. They play a primary role in government. That doesn't make it a matriarchy. But
01:04:50
Andrew Wilsonit's a system. You know what a matriarchy is though? It's a It would be women broadly in charge of all of the It's a system of social structure where they hold a lot of power. They hold the majority power and the decisions of the
01:05:02
Kylie Brewermen are at their behest in any but that's what the article just said of the Bree tribe. I I don't know. I don't know. Again, I just found a different article. Any should speak to like what's going on. matriarchy that I've ever investigated which is supposedly a
01:05:14
Andrew Wilsonmatriarchy we find very quickly that men are in the prominent positions of authority on force which means that any matriarchy is living at the behest of the men that's it so is your point that men are better then because they have brute force or like what's your point
01:05:27
Andrew Wilsonthat men should be in charge governmentally my point is not I'm not giving an aught we have to agree first to a descriptor the descriptive truth is that it is in fact the case that women have to appeal to men for all of their
01:05:39
Andrew Wilsonrights period by your own admission. That's why you're trying to get them on your side because if you don't have them, they can basically cage women up if they wanted to and there's nothing women. But that doesn't mean that men are there for better or should be in charge. Like I'm confused. Like what's
01:05:53
Andrew Wilsonthe actual point? Like the conclusion that you're making here? The point here is that men being in charge is obviously and clearly they're very benevolent because at any time they so choose, they can lock all women up. There's nothing they can do about it. And the reverse is
01:06:05
Andrew Wilsonnot true, which is so interesting. You're literally at the mercy. Women are at the mercy globally and always have been of men. And yet we're monstrized and demonized by feminists. That's what
01:06:16
Andrew Wilsonwe're we're literally considered demons by feminists. You did it by your own admission today with your own stats trying to make us out to be sexually assaulting monsters. Didn't even know the counter stats. Didn't say that. Never. Yeah, that's what it appears to be though from the onlookers
01:06:30
Kylie Brewerperspective. I feel like you have these generic like talking points that you try to apply to feminists, but I haven't like really been very reactive or calling you names. I'm trying not to. I have. But you you have acted exactly like a feminist today, madame. Okay. But
01:06:40
Andrew Wilsonum nobody's going to be confused about that at all. The whole the whole snobbery the whole snobbery towards authority. You're going to do what I want. The finger clap thing. You did the whole feminist trope. The entire thing.
01:06:53
Andrew WilsonBut what I would like is a reputation here. Can you agree? I feel like it's my time. Can you agree that it is the case that women have to appeal to men for their rights and not the other way around? I will not I will not ever agree to the fact that we should appeal to men
01:07:06
Kylie Brewerfor our rights. I think that is an inherently misogynistic question. Have to have to. No, do not. Okay. Well, then where do rights come from? They should be inherent to every person. But again, I think I should be able to like
01:07:19
Kylie Brewerthis. You make your So, give me a second because again, like you've just been a little bit insulting the last few minutes. So, I feel like when that happens, it's just like a good change of pace is important. Um, but well, I I I do need to keep it on the topic at hand,
01:07:31
Brian Atlasbut which again, where were we? Can you repeat the question? Rights. I asked you where rights come from. Where rights come from. If you can address that. Okay. But then I get to respond. Yeah. Yeah, you can. But it's on force doctrine and rights. Go ahead. Okay. Um,
01:07:43
Kylie Brewerwell, I think the fact that we're debating a topic that you came up with is a little bit strange personally, but um I was going to say that I think that rights are inherent. Um, I think that they should be related to all people. Just like the fact that we are human
01:07:56
Kylie Brewerbeings, we shouldn't have to appeal to any person for authority. And again, the fact that men are stronger, bigger, more powerful doesn't mean that they give or take away people's rights. I'm not religious necessarily, but I think if I if I was, I would probably tell you that
01:08:08
Kylie BrewerI think God is the person that, you know, relates and who is who gives people their human dignity and rights, but I think it's inherent. I think that we should all have the right to live and be free of violence. And I think that those who offend and try to put people
01:08:21
Andrew Wilsonin cages, those are the people that should be um jailed. Like, I don't think that that's a a blanket statement. Yeah. Yeah. So I would just Okay, you keep on saying rights should be inherent. That
01:08:32
Andrew Wilsondoesn't tell me anything about where rights come from. Where do rights come from? Where do we describe rights? Well, I think that you're thinking very like United States like governmententric. Anywhere. You can pick anywhere on
01:08:45
Kylie Brewerplanet. I don't care where you pick. Where are rights coming from? They are coming from the set of people that are in charge, the government. And to your point, that's the patriarchy. However, I agree. So I I concede to that point.
01:08:56
Kylie BrewerHowever, I'm saying that that is not that does not mean that men since they create the ability to give people um like rights and take it away, that doesn't mean that men it should be that way. It shouldn't. It like I don't know
01:09:10
Andrew Wilsonif that makes sense. So men have been guaranteeing your rights the entire time you've been alive. No, that's definitely not true. Well, I don't understand. I thought that you just said rights come from the government. The government is the patriarchy. The patriarchy then is
01:09:22
Kylie Brewergiving you rights, right? Right. But like the government isn't inherently like the government is influenced by patriarchy, but it's not like all men making decisions like in the past it was. Would you say it's mostly in charge
01:09:32
Kylie Brewerby men? Yeah. But again, like I think that your um your points that you're making are very uh misogynistic. Like I think the point of what you're saying listen is like we should be grateful to I think the points you're making are
01:09:44
Kylie Brewervery misand that it doesn't tell us. But I don't hate men so that's not a very good Okay. But your question inherently is rooted in the fact that you think that there is male superiority and that men are in charge. Descriptively, men are
01:09:57
Andrew Wilsonstronger than women. Yeah. Descriptively. Yes. There's You're not going to argue that point, right? On average, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. On average. Well, I mean, it's a strong average, though. Sure. Yeah. Like I
01:10:08
Andrew Wilsonmean, you know, teenage soccer teams are beating, you know, female pro player teams, right? You agree that that's the case? Okay, great. So if that's the case and we can agree and you agree that the governments of the world are patriarchal
01:10:21
Kylie Brewerthen you have to concede that the patriarchy is giving you your rights right now. I again I will never concede that. And the reason why is because I think that that is rooted in the idea that women should be grateful. Like you're telling me that I should essentially be grateful to you for the
01:10:35
Andrew Wilsonfact that I'm not in a cage right now and that someone's not assaulting me as we speak. Like that does not mean that about just your like your right to free speech and the fact that it's enforced by men. the patriarchy is the ones giving you that by your own admission. Listen, so my theory is the way it
01:10:47
Kylie Brewershould be. This is what I think. This is the way that it was before we had col, you know, colonization and all the imperialism and stuff. There's a blanket statement, right? Or there's a blanket right to to life, to um autonomy, to all these things, right? That are just given
01:10:58
Kylie Brewerto you by the nature of being human. And there are certain entities and people and oppressive regimes that then come in and they try to take those things away from you because waring tribe theory. Well, because they they give you those
01:11:09
Kylie Brewerthings or because the government gives you the right to exist now, right, doesn't mean it's a benevolent uh patri like doesn't mean the patriarchy is benevolent because it is currently giving me these rights and I'm not like
01:11:21
Andrew Wilsonsitting and trapped in my house like I am. What would make it malevolent? What would make it malevolent? Um I think in places like um talking about here in the United States, which is a patriarchy by your own admission giving
01:11:34
Kylie Breweryou rights, what would make it malevolent? Um I think that there are a lot of current things that are malevolent um like in legislation and things like that that are you know like right attacks on bodily autonomy and like the overturning like the DOS decision or the but you would consider
01:11:47
Kylie Breweryour first amendment a benevolent right your third amendment your your fifth amendment I think these are things are all inherent gener like I don't like just because it's written in by the government doesn't mean that it should inherently be it can't be that's a contradiction you can't say it's
01:12:00
Kylie Brewerinherent and the government gives them to us that's a contradiction the government does but it it doesn't mean anything like we should already have these things like just like if I how do you have them? How do you have them
01:12:10
Kylie Brewerabsent government? You should just be able to walk around and be free and how do you have that without force? How how is it even possible? I think you're looking at it through a lens of like imperialism and I don't think that like
01:12:23
Andrew Wilsonforce was always ne it hasn't always been necessary. I'm looking at it through a lens of I literally told you my lens of force doctrine explained it described it has nothing to do with imperialism has to do with this. You're walking around there's no government. If
01:12:37
Kylie Breweryou're walking around there's no government, where do your rights come from then? Okay, this is just like such a silly question. Please answer the question. Okay,
01:12:47
Kylie Brewerso if I if there's no government and I'm walking around, my right to be alive, my right to uh find a can someone come around and kill my can someone come around and kill you? Yes. But in that
01:12:59
Kylie Brewercase, there have historically always been place ways of punishing people who take those away. So the people who take them away are Hold on. Just let her finish a government. Go ahead. Hold on
01:13:09
Kylie Brewerthen. Go ahead. The people who take those things away from you, if they don't decide to take it away, it doesn't mean that they're good. Right? So like a
01:13:19
Kylie Brewerreally horrible example that for a lot of women is true is if I am a woman and I have not had intercourse with anybody and a man is my friend and he decides
01:13:30
Kylie Brewerthat he's not going to take my virginity from me. Um does that mean he is a good person inherently by not assaulting me? No it doesn't because that should be the standard. Right? And so if someone comes in and they take it away and then they
01:13:42
Kylie Brewerthey tell me that they can or they can't in the future. Right? That's essentially to me what you're saying is just because the government is is giving me the right to walk around and have this conversation with you today means that I should be thankful and I should, you
01:13:55
Andrew Wilsonknow, not be concerned with things and that you guys are actually benevolent. The patriarchy is benevolent because I'm not in a cage because I'm not being assaulted. Yeah, that's not what it's being said. Anyway, can you answer my question though? Where if there's no government, where do your rights come
01:14:07
Andrew Wilsonfrom? Um, I think we've already been over this. I think you've asked me quite a few answer. Listen, what you did was I mean I've already told you human dignity. So well human human dignity account you can't account for dignity in
01:14:19
Kylie Brewera secular worldview. What is dignity? It's just whatever you think dignity is. So tell me this real quick. You have rights they're inherent. I'm talking about legal moral or human. Let's let's omit legal, right? Because I I'm talking
01:14:31
Kylie Brewerabout in a hypothetical. Okay. Moral and human rights in for me it's rooted in the philosophical natural law. Natural law is Catholic. You don't believe in Catholicism. You would have to have God
01:14:43
Andrew Wilsonto back up natural law. Okay. But that is what I developed my beliefs around because I used to believe in that. No, that's a if you don't appeal to God for your natural rights, you're making a naturalist fallacy. Okay. How do you know that I don't believe in
01:14:56
Kylie BrewerGod? Because you told me. Okay. Well, I just again I think this is like a really ridiculous Why is it ridiculous? So, where do you get your rights from if they're not from God?
01:15:05
Kylie BrewerUm, okay. So again, I still subscribe to the human rights theory, which is uh the un universal declaration of human rights if you're if we're not going to go talk about God or naturalism, right? Which is
01:15:16
Kylie Brewerthat every human being has universal inalienable rights that are fundamental to each person. And so this is what you know the UN subscribes to and stuff like that regardless of whether there is a government in place or not. So is that
01:15:28
Kylie Brewersufficient to you? No, that's an axiom. That's so all you're just saying is I think we have inherent rights because I think we have inherent rights. I think we have inherent rights because we are human beings who deserve to be treated with compassion, love, and respect. And I don't think you think that. So yeah,
01:15:41
Andrew Wilsonbut that's pretty wild. But the qu the question comes in here. Let's say that a group of people doesn't believe in these inherent human rights, right? They don't believe in them. I mean, there are definitely groups that have Yeah. They just don't believe in these inherent for
01:15:52
Andrew Wilsoncertain people. Yeah. They just don't. So what is it that protects those inherent rights for you? Well, you're right. There is a typically like a
01:16:01
Kylie Brewersystem in place of force. It's not force per se. All force, right? Anything that's not like there's a way to like isolate those people um with
01:16:12
Andrew Wilsonwhat? Force. I mean, not necessarily. Not what else could you isolate them with if they don't want to be isolated? Well, not not every arrest is made through force, right? Like they might Yeah. Well, actually, all all arrests
01:16:23
Andrew Wilsonare made through the implicit implicit threat of force. Either you come with me or else, right? Sure. So, that would be force, right? You would agree with that? The implicit? Yeah. I mean, just this
01:16:34
Kylie Brewerinherent topic to me is very just like violent and seems like a moot point like um but I mean I'm kind of I I feel like we've talked this through. No, I haven't talked it through yet. But you you can continue. I mean, I don't really have much else to say. I've already like
01:16:46
Andrew Wilsoncritique of your worldview so that we can understand who you're appealing to for these so-called rights you believe everybody has. In this case, it sounds like you're banking on force from men to protect your rights. I mean, how are you not how are you not banking on the force
01:16:59
Kylie Brewerof men to protect your rights if you say they're inherent, but all these inherent rights require force? Well, also men is a is a generalization. I mean, again, there are a lot of people who are currently working to enforce the system of government that we have. It's not
01:17:10
Andrew Wilsonjust men, but they all rely on male force, don't they? I just told you that wasn't true. I mean, okay. Can you tell me how that's not true? Like, what what agency of government doesn't rely on male force? No, no, no. My point is it's
01:17:23
Kylie Brewernot all exclusively men. There are men and women and everyone else as well that work to protect people here like like in the army it's not like if you're using force, right? The army isn't just male troops. So like you're saying male Yeah.
01:17:35
Andrew WilsonThere's there's there's women who aren't allowed in combat for the most part almost ever unless it's by accident who are in the military as pay masters and things like this, but they're not the executors of force. There's not female armies being fielded to protect rights.
01:17:48
Kylie BrewerI just I'm not super interested in this line of questioning because it it just seems like misogynist. If you're interested in it, I want to know the worldview. I think you care because like it's your podcast and like I'm kind of Okay. Well, you know what? In your next
01:18:00
Kylie Brewerargument, I'll just say, "Well, I'm just not very interested." Okay. What does that do? Well, you're not really letting me talk or like, you know, I'm just asking you basic questions. You refuse to answer them. That's it. I just wish you would
01:18:12
Andrew Wilsonactually answer the questions and then we could get somewhere, but you just refused to. I'm like, "Okay, so what does that mean?" And you're like, "Well, I just explained it." when he didn't actually explain anything and then we get to the root of it. So what you keep doing is appealing to patriarchy for
01:18:25
Andrew Wilsonyour rights by saying I would never say I appeal to patriarchy for my rights. You say hey I want to I want to appeal to men because we need men in order to protect us from the patriarchy which means you're appealing to men for your rights. I just like it seems like it's a
01:18:39
Kylie Brewerbig circle. So I'm just trying to decipher it out. That's it. That's it. Okay. Not not going to not going to engage anymore. All right. I I already told you I just don't have anything else to say on this. So I I feel like we've had a good conversation. I mean I I've enjoyed hearing what you
01:18:52
Andrew Wilsonhave to say, but I just don't have Yeah. I mean, I would have enjoyed, you know, like actually critiquing the view, but since you don't make the view, you have for like the last like 15 minutes. Yeah. No, you've just been very evasive and you've been very unwilling to actually answer questions. Even when you've
01:19:04
Brian Atlascontradicted yourself, we want to acknowledge it. So, okay. Well, we can take a little uh there's more prompts, but we'll uh take some audience questions. There's some super chats that
01:19:14
Brian Atlaswe can get to. So, we have uh let's see, we have just Gerald here with the $100 super uh donated $100. When women say, "I wish I would have
01:19:27
SPEAKER_05gone to school or focused on a career instead." I hear my children are preventing me from freedom. If only these kids weren't alive, I could be happy.
01:19:38
Brian AtlasAll right, just Gerald. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. All right. And if you guys are enjoying the stream, be sure to like the video, please. And uh make sure to uh Oh, if you're watching
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01:20:02
Brian Atlaswould anyone This is from earlier. This came in. I saw this. That's funny. Uh why would anyone care if you leave? Who are you? You're supposed to be defending your worldview. W Andrew from Cole. Thank you, Cole, for the super chat. Do you want to respond to this or Oh, sure.
01:20:14
Kylie BrewerYeah. Um, yeah, my name is Kylie Brewer. I'm sort of like an upand cominging like activist type person. Um, I I feel like I have my goal here was to educate um just about feminism generally. So, um
01:20:26
Kylie BrewerI'm sorry if that hasn't like held up to your standards. Um but yeah, I if I do leave, I think the debate would end. So, I think that might be why people would care. But anyways, thank you for your comment. We have chaotic fuzz. Why are
01:20:38
Brian Atlasyou letting her hold the debate hostage? She's being a child saying if I don't get my way I'll leave. It's disrespectful to the platform and listeners. Um I think uh it's disrespectful to be
01:20:50
Kylie Brewertalked down to the way I am. Um so that is why it's not just about like leaving and holding the platform hostage. It is rather a fact of protecting my um integrity and I will never let myself be
01:21:02
Kylie Brewerin a place where I feel unsafe or um like I'm being belittled. So if that does happen and continues to happen, I will leave and it's not a a reflection of you know the platform or anything.
01:21:12
Brian AtlasIt's just like for me um as well. So okay, we have Lucas here. Ma'am, kindly address your emotional dysregulation. It's unimpressive, but more importantly, a telltale sign of an intellectual
01:21:23
Brian Atlasmediocrity flailing away. Wow, a lot of big big words here, Lucas. uh in the undertoe of cognitive dissonance, facious logic, and ultimately a fully
01:21:34
Kylie Brewermetastasized mind virus. Do you want do you want to respond to that from Lucas? Sure. Um Lucas, it sounds like you pulled out your thesaurus for this. So, congratulations on that. But I would like to say I have my IQ is relatively pretty high. I'm not going to like talk
01:21:47
Kylie Brewerabout where I went to an Ivy League, but that doesn't matter if you disagree with me. You're going to hate what I have to say regardless of whether I'm intelligent or not intelligent. So, but thank you for watching regardless. Thank you, Lucas, for the message. Little Miss Feminist isn't interested in debating,
01:21:59
Kylie Breweronly educating bad faith debate. You want to respond to that? Thank you uh Reszle for the soup chat. Um for me, like a debate is about exchange of knowledge. So if it doesn't become that, it feels more like um an ad homonym
01:22:10
Andrew Wilsonattack on me, I just will not talk. Well, what it what a debate is to me is the reputation of ideas. Uh or it can be the sharing of knowledge, also the reputation of ideas. We're here to
01:22:20
Andrew Wilsondebate feminism. the idea of debating feminism that I'll even grant one point that my opponent got which was me dunking on me right was that I confused the mankind initiative with the mankind
01:22:32
Andrew Wilsonproject right so that's one thing one thing I even did right dunked on myself right by misspeaking on on one of these things so there's a concession but here's what I won't do what I won't do
01:22:44
Andrew Wilsonis let you cross your arms and throw a fit and refuse to engage when you go no I'm just not going to engage anymore it's like Well, then we're not having a debate anymore. So, I'd like to get back to the actual debate and I'd like to
01:22:58
Kylie Brewercontinue. I like don't have as much of a stake in this as you do. So, like I'm definitely if we end right now, I'm more than happy. Like, I'm so serious. I would go and like lay out in the sun, enjoy the farmers market. I'm here to You're just not So, so why did you come to a debate if you're unprepared to
01:23:11
Brian Atlasdebate? Oh, because no, I'm not unprepared. I thought we were going to have more of an exchange and this feels more like again like an attack. So, that's why I'm not having very much fun. I mean, look, I don't think that's a fair characterization of the exchange you guys had. There was a slightly open
01:23:24
Brian Atlasto interpretation. There was a slightly heated moment exchange from both of you at the beginning of the show. I think it's okay. We're going to continue on with the conversation. Let allow me to let uh we have about three chats coming
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Brian Atlasthrough and then we'll get back to the debate. Rachel Wilson says, "This is, by the way, this is uh Andrew's uh wife here." Oh. Uh nobody's talking down to you, princess. Uh oh. She wants to do Colin. Uh, do you want to talk to to
01:23:47
Brian AtlasAndrew's wife? Maybe she can get some. I don't know, but okay. Uh, Andrew is just beating your arguments easily and you feel embarrassed, so you're pretending he's insulting you. Okay. Thank you, Rachel, for that. Appreciate it. Donner,
01:23:57
Brian Atlaspage 199, section 6.3 of the NIS-4 shows all the stats Andrew pointed out about female perpetrators. Anyone in chat can look it up. All right, thank you for
01:24:09
Brian Atlasthat. Even though she said she looked it up in two seconds, even though there's no possible way. on. Uh, somebody says unmute. Okay, thank you Andrew. I'm not sure what's going on with that, but we
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SPEAKER_05have two chat two chats coming here and then we'll come back to the debate. So, we have one sec. We have Glockavius. Thank you, Gloavius. Glavius donated
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Kylie Brewer$100. Kylie, you said you have a high IQ. What's your IQ? Um, I haven't taken an IQ test in a while, but when I was a child, they had me evaluated for having a high IQ because I was like talking really young and all these things, but
01:24:45
Kylie Brewerthe last time I took a test, I think it was like around a 150, but I don't know currently. It was a while ago. 150. Yeah, that's genius level. And I know you're going to say I'm not, so it's like funny, but I know it's you probably think it's ironic. I didn't say anything. I just said that that's
01:24:58
Kylie Brewerconsidered genius level. Thank you. He was about to congratulate you. Oh, sorry. I'm on the defense a little bit, but thank you. I appreciate it, Andrew. I appreciate it. Poor me. I just have an an average IQ. Okay, we literally have average IQ. And you know what? Look
01:25:11
Brian Atlashere. Here's a little, you know, a lot of the soup chats been a little mean. YOLO Swagons says you're hot. Thank you. So, if it's any uh, you know, if it's any, you know, thank you YOLO Swagons
01:25:23
Brian Atlasfor that. That does actually make me feel nice. Thank you, YOLO Swagons. And then chat here, then we'll get back to the debate. Sixpack Chad donated oneack Chad. I didn't go to school for 4 years
01:25:34
SPEAKER_05to be talked to like this. The girl boss can't handle the big meanie. Andrew, you are the most insufferable broad I've ever seen on this show, including the
01:25:43
Kylie Brewerhookers. We have had a couple hookers. Yeah. Um, I've actually had that uh said to me quite a few times. So, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm glad you like Andrew and like you guys have that sort
01:25:55
Andrew Wilsonof connection. I think it's important to have people that you look up to and content and stuff. And uh so getting back to the debate at hand, Andrew, did you want to continue on with the force doctrine conversation? I but like I need you to actually engage with my inquiry.
01:26:08
Andrew WilsonThe the reason I'm giving you maybe Oh, I thought we were going to switch topics. Oh, we're staying on this one. So, the I think he wanted to just finish. Yeah, we weren't done with it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, the reason I want you to engage with it is because it's a
01:26:19
Andrew Wilsonfalsifier for your worldview. Okay. And if you refuse to engage, it looks like you're just refusing to allow the falsifier for your worldview. So, can can we get if we can get back to it, I'd like to. My question starts with
01:26:31
Andrew Wilsoninherent rights. You claim that they're inherent and I'm asking you if a government's not giving them to you and God's not giving them to you, where are they coming from? That's a good
01:26:42
Kylie Brewerquestion. So, if we just existed, there was no government and I was an atheist, I would in theory have the uh ability, the right to walk around freely, to make myself food, to do all these things
01:26:53
Kylie Brewerwithout the fear of uh violence. But if violence did happen um then we would have to create how would you in theory be because I believe that communities to just walk around without any threat of violence because there were plenty of
01:27:05
Andrew Wilsoncommunities that have done that in Does a rabbit have the ability to walk around without any threat of violence inherently? No, but I'm I'm not a rabbit. Yeah, I know. But the thing is is like why not why doesn't the rabbit have that? Because there are predators. So what would our predator be? Are you
01:27:18
Andrew Wilsonsaying men are the predators? Well, or women or But if men are the predators, that goes against everything we talked about. Or women. Did you hear that part? Or women, like women can assault you. Doesn't require a man, doesn't require a
01:27:29
Andrew Wilsonpenis for somebody to assault you. So the thing is is like if it is the case then that that the rabbit has no inherent rights because there's predators or people who would be predatory or even if we said that there
01:27:42
Kylie Brewerwould be some men who would be predatory even. Mhm. How do you have this right to walk around unmolested and the rabbit does not? Um, so you are wanting me to
01:27:53
Kylie Brewersay that we have force. We have to enforce it, right? Which we do. But I don't think we have to enforce it through like physical force. I think we can enforce it through like words and like being able to like speak to each other and then like the rabbit screams
01:28:06
Andrew Wilsonand the coyote doesn't care. So if it's a case that people don't care about whatever the wolves don't care about what the rabbit says, right? They don't care about the rabbit screams. Does the rabbit have rights?
01:28:18
Kylie BrewerUm, if the wolf doesn't care if the rabbit screams, does the rabbit have rights? Is an interesting question. I suppose the rabbit has the right to not get eaten by the wolf. But like again, I
01:28:31
Kylie Brewermean, I think most people would agree that there is a fundamental distinction between humans and animal societies. So, I don't understand how it's relevant to my point. In this case, the equation
01:28:40
Andrew Wilsonwould just be a rabbit is a biological walking being, right? And so is a wolf. The rabbit does not have the right not to get eaten by the wolf. What gives you
01:28:50
Andrew Wilsonany inherent right to not be in any way assaulted, molested, undignified, or whatever? If if it is the case that people want to do this to you, what is the inherent right there? Right. I could I could ask you the same thing. Yeah.
01:29:04
Kylie BrewerBut why don't you answer the question then ask yours? No, no, no. I'm I'm saying like like I could ask like figuratively I could ask you the same thing in terms of like what would give you the right to walk around and to like
01:29:15
Kylie Brewerbe respected and have your wife Rachel like you know like talk to you and force but I don't I don't think it has to be. I think historically a lot of it has been force but I don't think it has to be. I think there exists an egalitarian
01:29:27
Kylie Brewersociety where we can all collectively have the ability and you know we they used to just I don't even disagree with this. Can can this happen? Well, they used to just um like sort of expel people out of the community and they
01:29:39
Kylie Brewerwouldn't be able to survive without the community. Like they would die. And so that's not necessarily in my mind force. Yeah. It's force. They can't go back to the community. So people are forcing them out, right? But it's not like a physical force. It's physical force.
01:29:52
Andrew WilsonIt's backed up by physical force. Why can't you go back into the community? What happens? Well, there's also the emotional component of like ignoring the person, not giving them food. It's not That's not what people did. They didn't ignore them. They said, "If you come back here, there's going to be consequences, right? Otherwise, that's
01:30:05
Kylie Brewernot really a banishment. I mean, what would stop them from just walking in and being like, "You can ignore me, but I'm going to take your food and whatever I need to survive." Sure. Um, but the point being for me, I believe that
01:30:16
Kylie Brewerbecause those types of societies are possible to exist, right, without the physical threat of force and having to put people in cages and kill people to preserve the social order. Then
01:30:28
Kylie Brewertherefore I think that we should not have to um have a patriarchy or a matriarchy. I think we should just be able to exist in the right because the right come within us. I I agree that you
01:30:40
Andrew Wilsoncan have all sorts of different arrangements for how a society because of those things then. Yeah. But that doesn't give us the answer here for why it is that the rabbit doesn't have the right to not get eaten by the but you
01:30:52
Andrew Wilsonhave the right to not get assaulted by another human being. What gives you that right? I mean, I don't think I'm going to at any point give you the answer that you're looking for. I'm just looking for the answer. What you said is because future societies can look different. That doesn't tell me anything. That's
01:31:04
Kylie Brewerreally not like what I was saying. I was also drawing from the past, but um I I mean, personally, I think that Sorry, the problem here is that we
01:31:14
Kylie Brewerhave seen um we have seen the patriarchy as something that should be either seen as malevolent or benevolent. And I don't
01:31:24
Kylie Brewerthink that it should be classified as something that we need generally speaking. I think there are systems of organization where we don't have to rely upon men. Can I try this because that
01:31:36
Andrew Wilsonseems to be what you're trying to Let me try a different way. Can you repeat my question to me so I know that you understand what my question is? No, no, no. I I would just I mean again, can you repeat my question to me so I know you
01:31:48
Andrew Wilsonunderstand what it is? Please. I'm getting real close. I'm Why? Because you won't answer this question, right? I am answering in a way that you don't find satisfactory. I'll say, "What do you want to eat tonight?" And you go, "Margarine hat." It's like it doesn't
01:32:00
Andrew Wilsontell me nothing. But you're asking me the question repetitively because you won't answer it. No. No. No. I won't answer it in the way that you want. No, you just won't answer it. Period. Listen. Do you think Do you think it's a fair answer for you to say, "How tall are you?" And I say,
01:32:12
Kylie Brewer"83." Is that an answer? Well, I don't I don't need an answer from like I'm not demanding. I'm not someone who you're looking at me like I have to answer you. Like just because I'm here doesn't mean I have to do anything. What are you doing in a debate if you won't answer questions about your worldview? I mean,
01:32:24
Andrew Wilsonthere's a lot of reasons to be here, right? Like answering questions about your worldview, your brand. Do you think you're promoting your brand? Well, when you won't answer questions about your worldview, I mean, that's objective. And I have been answering questions. You haven't you what you've done is every
01:32:36
Andrew Wilsonsingle time I ask you this question, right? You appeal to something that doesn't answer it. You say, "Well, there could be future according to you." Okay, I'll tell you what. But I've given you the answers I have. That's why you're trying to force me into a corner that I just I don't have the answer. Let's try
01:32:49
Andrew Wilsonthis. Let's try this instead. Right. Because when people people do this all the time. They say, "I am answering the question." When they're not answering any question at all. Can we just try this? Can can you just give me a re like
01:33:01
Kylie Brewerreal quick summary? Where do rights come from? Okay. So, I think that and I'm you're going to say, "But you don't believe in God." So, but I'm going to give you because this seems to be the only naturalist or the only explanation you will accept for from me is the
01:33:13
Kylie Brewernaturalist explanation. I think that they are inherent. And let's say human beings are God, right? Some people believe that each person has an essence that belongs to God. So let's say that. So therefore it's it comes from God. We
01:33:24
Kylie Brewerare God. I believe that each person is made up of a collective that could be considered like a human spirit. So yes. So but you don't believe in God. But a human spirit to me is God. So I think that each person has the ability to
01:33:36
Kylie Brewerself-govern and those rights are given to us by ourselves because whether we're God or not. Okay. The rights come from us. Okay. Yes. So and and that's coming from the humanist perspective. So rights
01:33:48
Andrew Wilsoncome from you the individual. That makes Okay, that's at least an answer. So rights come from individuals. So how do individuals then if they grant
01:33:57
Kylie Brewerthemselves these rights keep them? Um by communication and compassion. I'm an optimist. So ideally we don't have to use force. And somebody does not uh want
01:34:08
Kylie Brewerto agree with you and says I don't care what you say. What what what happens then? So, okay, I will I will concede your point that to preserve the order to
01:34:20
Andrew Wilsonpreserve rights. Sure. You would have to appeal to force then there are occasional needs for force. Sure. Okay. Well, let me make this because I know that's what you're trying to Let me make this even wider.
01:34:32
Andrew WilsonLet me make this even wider. I don't believe that you can name any any uh type of governmental system or any type of anything in which force is not going to be the backer for what the
01:34:44
Kylie Brewerestablishment is period. I don't even think it's possible like how could it even be possible that you're not always force. Let's say I concede then what's your point like relating back to my point is always yeah you're always going
01:34:56
Kylie Brewerto be appealing to men for your rights. But why do men have to be the enforcers? Like let's say your forces like force do because women can't overpower men only men can. But weapons exist. So like what if women is better with weapons and who who makes weapons? Okay. But what if
01:35:09
Kylie Brewerlike women somehow took over all the weapons and going into this hypothetical? Right. Sure. Women take over all the weapons. We teach each other how to use it and men can't do anything in theory. Could then a matriarchy exist? So I could say that it
01:35:22
Andrew Wilsonwould I'm genuinely curious. Yeah. Yeah. So, I could say it's logically possible, but just so you know, when I say logically possible, Superman's logically possible, Wolverine's logically possible, all the X-Men are logically possible. Though, I can say that this is
01:35:34
Andrew Wilsonlogically possible that women could seize all the means of production, all weapons, and enslave men. Logically, there's no contradiction. The descriptor for reality though is that I would say
01:35:44
Andrew Wilsondescriptively in reality it's impossible that women could never overpower uh men collectively, take over any means of production nor begin to produce weapons ever and have any great effect if men
01:35:56
Kylie Brewerdidn't want them to. It's not even possible. I don't I don't see how it's possible. So your conclusion though is based off of this scenario that you are saying isn't possible, but you're saying it's it's logical. So I mean I I disagree. I think it is possible though.
01:36:09
Andrew WilsonLike but try to understand the difference between logical possibility which just means no contradiction. Yes. So almost anything's logically possible. Yeah. Right. Um it just seems like like there's a world in which you're a man
01:36:21
Kylie Brewerand a misogynistic man. That's logically possible, right? Yeah. So like so that doesn't tell us much, right? But but I'm saying like your force doctrine though, like you're saying, okay, so let's say I
01:36:34
Kylie Breweragree with the fact that force is necessary to keep a necessary precondition. Right. So let's say I agree. Yeah. But then your conclusion that you're male because of this men are the enforcers, right? Because they're
01:36:46
Andrew Wilsonphysically bigger. Therefore, men give us our rights. Yeah. Well, no. I would give it I'll give it to you in this premise form. It would work like this. Yes. Women cannot collectively overpower
01:36:56
Andrew Wilsonmen. Men can always collectively overpower women because the sexes need each other. Literally need each other. Cannot be disassociated. Otherwise, there's no humanity. Um it there'll
01:37:08
Andrew Wilsonalways be a banking of an enforcement arm which protects women and men and children and that will always have to go to men because men are the physically dominant sex. So if that's the case, it will always be the case. You have to
01:37:20
Kylie Brewerappeal to men for the very rights in which you you think you have, right? Um yeah. So, I mean, I think that what follows what based off of what you're saying makes sense, but I I'm still
01:37:33
Kylie Brewergoing to always disagree with the fact that women like your like your initial statement that women cannot uh overpower men with weapons. I just I think that that would be Can you name a time has ever happened in history? Collectively, doesn't mean it can't. Just because
01:37:46
Andrew Wilsonsomething hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't happen. Wolverine can't h Wolverine can happen. Superman can go on with this forever, right? But no, but not really. Because if we're talking about descriptive reality, do you honestly believe that you're only disagreeing with this cuz you just don't
01:37:59
Andrew Wilsonwant to agree, right? Cuz you said, "I agree that what you're saying it makes sense." I just fundamentally don't think this is like a very u entire worldview because you'd have to say that you have to appeal to pages
01:38:11
Andrew Wilsonhere of like rather talking about like I don't understand. This kicks the pillar of your worldview out. Do you believe that you need to appeal to men for you to be safe or not?
01:38:22
Kylie BrewerDo I need to appeal to men to be safe or not? Yeah. Currently in the patriarchal society, yes. Do we should we have to? Do can is it possible for us to not have to? Yes.
01:38:33
Andrew WilsonAnd do men protect you? Not always. Yeah. But mostly, unfortunately. No, not even mostly. Aren't they the ones who are aren't they? Yes. Mostly. I'm sorry. Are most women dying? Are most women dying from violence? No. So, they're
01:38:46
Andrew Wilsonmostly being protected. It depends on what you mean by like protect though from harm. Like there's just a lot that women are harmed by men on a day. Like you live in a nation in which you're granted massive amounts of rights. You're protected while you sleep. You
01:38:58
Andrew Wilsoncan dial 911, have officers there almost immediately in most places, but you're attributing all that to men. They're the enforcement arm of all of those collectives. Yes. Right. So like police officers, you would agree vast majority
01:39:09
Andrew Wilsonmale, right? and that women tend to uh to underperform in almost every standard because we lower standards for police officers so that women can be them even though they don't actually perform very well against their male compatriots, do
01:39:22
Andrew Wilsonthey? Sure. So, if that's the case, then you're still appealing to men, aren't you? Sure. Okay. I just I don't really want Yeah, I know. I know you you'll just concede just to concede. I mean, fundamentally, I don't think this is very interesting. It's kind of funny, right? It's there's a reason this isn't taught in like a man's verbally
01:39:36
Andrew Wilsonassaulting you. You're just rolling over and taking it cuz you got it. You just roll it over. I would actually prefer to leave. You just went dead fish on me, right? You like a like a bear is attacking. You went dead fish because you just can't refute the arguments. It's not about that. It's just about not
01:39:49
Kylie Brewerbeing disrespected. If I feel like I'm being I'm not disrespecting you by asking you questions about your worldview. No, no, no. you're just being um how do I say very uh demanding and overbearing because it's actually I know I know I'm like debate I need you to
01:40:03
Kylie Breweranswer my question that I would rather talk about and we've been talking about your topic for 45 minutes and I've barely even had a opportunity to steer this conversation. Do you have a bunch of topics that you brought? I brought one. Why can't we talk about mine too?
01:40:14
Andrew WilsonWe are. Oh great. Then what's your complaint? You're hiding a little behind the mic. Can you try to You don't know now what your complaint is. Did you Did that argument not work very well? You brought 10 topics. I brought one. You don't want
01:40:27
Brian Atlasto talk about my one topic, but we should talk about your 10. Fantastic. Fine. We can move on. But unbelievable. We will do a couple chats here and then we'll get into our next topic then. Bring in the chats. I'm going to go out
01:40:40
Kylie Brewerof smoke. All right. He sounds good. Maybe you should just Can you pause it or do should I stay here while he goes out? Can I take a break after him? Yeah, we can. We can do that. Uh, okay. So, we
01:40:50
SPEAKER_05have Xerxes here or actually Xerxes donated $100 on these. Hi, Kylie. Are you a communist or anti- capitalist? Can women be sexist towards men? Can
01:41:02
SPEAKER_05minorities be racist towards white people? Is misogyny worse than Missandre? That's a that is a great question. Yeah. Sorry. Can I answer it? Yeah. You know what? Why don't we do this just cuz maybe Andrew will want to
01:41:15
Brian Atlasweigh in on he'll probably have things to say. We'll wait. Okay, that's fine. Let's see if any of these here. I'll let this one come through because this one's
01:41:22
SPEAKER_05kind of just general. Red Fox donated $100 humanism, naturalism, theism, and relativism. What a mess. Your world view
01:41:33
SPEAKER_05in incoherent and destructive. Your pretentious presentation is a turnoff. Bring on Mrs. Wilson. Not one step back.
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Kylie BrewerAnything you want to respond to there? Um, no. I I just wasn't like prepared on this subject and it's an interesting topic. So, I will uh learn more. I mean, I'm always open to learning more, so I
01:41:55
SPEAKER_05will go do my research. Got Jason. Thank you, Jason. Jason Castle donated $100. Thank you, man. People sleep peaceibly in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on
01:42:07
SPEAKER_05their behalf. This quote sums up reality, but you refuse to concede because you don't like men, dumb. Yeah, I really um I do believe that men are
01:42:17
Kylie Brewerimportant figures in our society and I admire a lot of the bravery of men. Um so if you want to call me stupid, whatever you want to call me, that's totally fine. But I never said that I hate men. I I do believe that men are
01:42:29
Brian Atlasimportant and I like men. I'm close with my dad. I have a partner who is a man right now. So yeah. All right. And if you guys want to get your own message in, you can do so. Streamlabs.com whatever. We're doing $100 TTS. We have
01:42:42
SPEAKER_05Jordan Flores here. Hey, thank you, Jordan. Appreciate it. Jordan Flores donated $100. Thank you. Can someone tell her that the restaurant kids menu crossword puzzle isn't an IQ test? Also,
01:42:54
Kylie Brewerironically enough, when she mentions quitting every 15 minutes, it proves Andrew's point. Yeah, Jordan, I'm not I'm not like mentioning quitting. I'm genuinely trying to leave here because I do not enjoy this environment. It's very
01:43:07
Brian Atlashostile. Um, and I know that the restaurant menu is not an IQ test. That's kind of a funny joke, though. But thank you. Okay, we have some super chats here. Honest question for the feminist. How's feminism in any way
01:43:18
Brian Atlasabout equality when every single policy and law it advocates for is literally a move away from equality? Even Charles Forier, who coined the term feminism was
01:43:28
Kylie Brewera staunch massandrist. Drist, maybe a little typo there, but do you want to answer Manny's question here? Um, yeah. So I mean again that's an absolute not every policy is about a move away from
01:43:41
Kylie Brewerequality. Feminism has never been about female supremacy. It has been about the importance of creating equality between the sexes and creating protections um from you know for for women in various
01:43:52
Kylie Brewerareas economic political whatever it is. So um yeah I don't know if that answers your question but all right we have Andrew back here. Manny thank you for that soup chat. We have two from Lucas here and uh two more. It looks like some
01:44:04
Brian Atlason Streamlabs. Lucas, thank you, man. Uh, honey, you don't want to go toe-to-toe on credentials and alphabet soup with me. I assure you the alphabet soup is far more expansive than the law
01:44:15
Brian Atlasdegree that Brian and Andrew might possibly be aware of. That notwithstanding, as logician, rehetor rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric, and
01:44:25
Brian Atlasdebater Andrew continued, is superior to me by order of magnitude. Rest assured that piece of paper signifying your full-fledged year, four full-fledged
01:44:36
Brian Atlasyears of imbecillic indoctrination is mean meaningless. Oh, but hey, how many genders are there? Would love to hear your take on that. Do you want
01:44:46
Brian Atlaswant to respond to uh him on that or Lucas on that? I bathroom break if you have anything to say because remember I was going to Yeah. Do you want to do a quick response to Lucas or Oh, okay. And
01:44:58
Kylie Brewerthen feel free to take um Yeah, that's an interesting um that's an interesting question. Um I think that for me, I believe that sex is biological. So, it's what's assigned at birth, you know, so it's like male, female, and then gender
01:45:10
Kylie BrewerI think is really like open to interpretation. But like definitely, you know, man, woman, um trans man, transwoman, non-binary are the ones that I really like, you know, see pretty often. But, you know, there's room. I I mean, I just think it's very individual.
01:45:22
Brian AtlasSo, but yeah, good question. Okay. Yeah, feel free to take your break. We'll uh read a couple chats here. All right, we've got one sec,
01:45:35
SPEAKER_05guys. Uh we have one sec. Where is it? This one's for you, Andrew. Chat for you from from USMC. Useated $100. Andrew, if you had some cleavage,
01:45:47
SPEAKER_05maybe you could garner some soft feelings, too. Also, M's dipstick is touching the right side of her nose when she wants to be fed an answer. Uh, USMC, thank you for your message
01:46:00
Andrew Wilsonhere. We have Well, the thing thing is is like it's not like you can't look up a thousand different debates that I've done easily, right? And know that you're coming into a debate with somebody who
01:46:11
Andrew Wilsondefinitely is going to press your worldview. I haven't even been mean. Like it's just like how how is it that these women are such girl bosses but at the same time they're so fragile they just break, you know? It's like you
01:46:23
Andrew Wilsonbarely even touch the sur they just break. They just crumble. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Um you know what? One sec. I want to put it on I I need to put
01:46:32
SPEAKER_06it on intro for just a sec, guys. No, it's okay. I'll do it.
01:46:52
Andrew WilsonSorry about that, guys. Folks, we're we're back. Just needed a little private word there with uh with Andrew. Uh let's see. I was I was officially chastised
01:47:02
Andrew Wilsonfor no for the idea only for the idea that I wasn't reading enough of these super chats because you guys aren't sending enough of them in. So do that immediately. We're on a what we call on
01:47:14
Andrew Wilsonthe crucible an obscene profit break. And with obscene orthodox looking beard comes obscene profit break. And don't tell me you haven't been entertained. Yes, guys. Are you not entertained?
01:47:26
Brian AtlasYeah, the viewership has been uh gang busters. It's 13,500 concurrent just on my channel. On I don't know what you I think you have maybe 3 4,000 on yours. And then on
01:47:37
Brian AtlasTwitch on our end, we have Speaking of Twitch, uh we have how many on Twitch? Uh over over a thousand watching on Twitch. So, by the way, real quick uh
01:47:49
Andrew Wilsonmessage here. If you guys can go to twitch.tv/ whatever, drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one. Um, Brian, do you mind real quick while we have such a large concurrent viewership? If I do, just a couple of shoutouts, I'd
01:48:01
Andrew Wilsonreally appreciate it. Like to shout out uh some whatever guests who've come on recently. Jay Dyer would be one. Made by Jim Bob would be another, of course, Jake Rattlesnake. I highly suggest all of you guys check their channels out.
01:48:13
Brian AtlasThey are fantastic. I'm doing a little bit of shilling and making Brian a bit uncomfortable, and I'm fine doing that. No, it's fine. Yeah, we've had them on recently. They have some good shows. All
01:48:24
Brian Atlasright, guys. Uh if you have been enjoying the stream, like the video, please. Also, you can always support us. Venmo, Cash App, whatever. Pod, they don't take a cut. Just uh Ashley, thank for the five. And I think that's it for
01:48:36
Brian Atlasthe shout outs. Thank you for the five on Cash App. $100 TTSDreamlabs.com/ whatever. We do have a chat coming through here from let's see
01:48:46
SPEAKER_05this one. Yeah, Xerxes donated $100. Hi, Kylie. Are you a communist or anti- capitalist? Can women be sexist
01:48:55
SPEAKER_05towards men? Can minorities be racist towards white people? Is misogyny worse than misandry? So, there's like four there. Why don't we start with the first
01:49:05
Kylie Brewerone? Um, how do you what's how do you categorize yourself? I guess um I'm reluctant to use any like label in terms of this, but I think that there are like definitely cons to capitalism, but there are a lot of pros like um you know like
01:49:18
Kylie Breweringenuity and like invention and creativity. So, yeah. Um, but I think that there's always room for improvement in a system, but no, I would never describe myself as like a communist or anything like that. Okay. And then there
01:49:28
Kylie Brewerwas the uh can women be sexist towards men? Yeah. Uh, good question. I think that women can definitely like have like not like men and have like a lot of like maybe prejudice towards men. But I think
01:49:40
Kylie Brewerlike just the term sexism generally refers to like a systemic issue. So like you know how for decades and decades like women couldn't uh you know work in certain fields or they couldn't get a job, women couldn't open a bank account until 1974. That's like sexism because
01:49:54
Kylie Brewerit's a systemic issue. So that's the way that I think of it. Obviously I'm sure he has different opinions on that. Um but yeah, men but you're not here to elevate women over men even though No, I
01:50:05
Brian Atlaswould like for women to like be but they can't be sexist though only men because it's systemic. There was one more, right? Uh yes, but it seems like Andrew wants
01:50:16
Brian Atlasto engage you on that, but here uh yeah, we'll go how about we'll go through all I feel like we might go for a while on that one. Yeah. So we'll we'll we'll get back to it. But can minorities so I guess like black, Latino, whatever. Can minorities be racist towards white
01:50:30
Kylie Brewerpeople? Um there's there yeah like there's definitely um an a level of like maybe strong dislike or like maybe like prejudice towards white people. But I would say the same thing about uh like
01:50:42
Kylie Brewerserious like like racism is like systemic. Like there were laws to uphold it like you know Jim Crow laws and a bunch of other laws to uphold um you know even like the institution of slavery which is really you know for like hundreds of years. And so because
01:50:54
Kylie Brewerof that, the the racism that is embedded into like our laws, whether on purpose or not on purpose in the United States is systemic. And so that makes racism
01:51:03
Kylie Brewerprimarily that way. Um, and yeah, so I don't think minorities can be racist to white people. I think it's prejudice, though. I think the terms are different. It's like, you know, you know what I mean? Like the hatred or the the fear
01:51:16
Brian Atlasexists about certain groups, but the term is the way I explained it. Okay. And then the final one was just uh is misogyny worse than misandry? Um yeah, I would say so. And the reason why is
01:51:28
Kylie Brewerbecause misogyny is built into uh laws and policies as well versus misandry is just like a lot of the time is rooted in genuine fear. Doesn't make it, you know, okay, but I think like it's better to,
01:51:40
Kylie Breweryou know, see people as they are. But um I think misogyny is again more of like a deeply systemic issue and a lot of violence, gender- based violence is rooted in misogyny um which cannot necessarily be said for the other way around. Obviously there's always
01:51:53
Andrew Wilsonexceptions to everything. Got it. And then so Andrew there was the can women be sexist towards men? Can minorities be racist? So I reject Yeah. So I categorically reject these definitions. These are what are called institutional
01:52:04
Andrew Wilsondefinitions. what they are as their definitions in order to reinforce a worldview rather than actually give descriptions for what is reality. So if we're talking about race
01:52:15
Andrew Wilsonfor instance, right, and racism, uh if you're talking about what are perceived racial groups, why couldn't minorities be racist towards the majority? Well, what they what academics do is they play this pretentious game where they're
01:52:29
Brian Atlaslike, well, you have to have institutional power. Well, that's also Hold on. Uh, can you just I I hate to interrupt you, Andrew, uh, can you just can you repeat what you just said to me privately there? Yes. Um, I would I will
01:52:42
Kylie Brewerbe needing to leave at 6 p.m. So, for anyone who is leaving um or who was watching and not 6:30 because uh I have a lot of reasons and one is that I have to drive 2 hours tonight um in the dark.
01:52:53
Kylie BrewerSo, I would like to leave at 6 p.m. and I'm making that known and um I hope that our agreement can be fulfilled. Uh but can you specify I mean you agreed to do
01:53:03
Kylie Brewer6:30 I thought 6:30 that that was the agreed upon right yeah um I mean I don't again asking me to continue to explain myself is a little
01:53:13
Kylie Brewerbit tiring but I just I there's a lot of reasons I mean I have some health issues I just sitting here for this prolonged period I was not told by the way that this was going to be 3 hours I thought it was going to be an hour max so I
01:53:25
Brian Atlasagreed we didn't we didn't specify that it was going to be an hour max So why would I actually was very poor communication on your end. But anyways, I'm telling you that I will be leaving communication on your end. You're going to a show and
01:53:38
Kylie Brewerdidn't bother asking how long it was going to be. No, I did when I got here, but I will be Wait, wait, wait, wait. When you got here? I'm I'm leaving at 600. Okay. So, we can have as much of a debate as we want. Yeah, we we understand. That's not satisfactory. I
01:53:51
Andrew Wilsonwould like I will leave now. Like, I'm just letting you know like this is not an environment for me that I am uh Oh my god, you whine so much. You're such a whiner. You just whine and cry. Yeah. I'm I'm just letting you know. I don't But what was Okay. What was the other
01:54:03
SPEAKER_02thing you said? We can't do a debate. He's going to ask me questions about my will be deal wasn't prepared for. I'm just here to teach and monologue and I don't want I don't want [ __ ] ridiculous. If the con like we I signed something about coming agreed she agreed
01:54:15
Andrew Wilsonto 6:30 right in front of me. I like and now she's retracting it. It's like what what is going on? I don't know. And mind you, uh Andrew has just already done two
01:54:25
Brian Atlasdebates. He did one on Friday and and flew in also for my opponent and very kind to me. You're welcome. Those debates I also don't live here. I flew in. I'm in Chicago. So, right. Those
01:54:36
Kylie Brewerthose debate Wait, I'm a little confused. You flew in. I flew in. My have family that lives an hour away. So, I spent, you know, a little bit of time with them this morning and then I'm going to see them again before I fly out tomorrow.
01:54:48
Brian AtlasWell, okay. That we'll discuss that after the show. But um and the if you looked at our channels and the length of our previous debates, the past two
01:54:58
Kylie Brewerdebates that we had were gone 5 hours and yeah, I mean again I have health problems. Yeah, but why would you have a different are you [ __ ] serious? [ __ ] serious. Why would you have a different assumption? Why would But why
01:55:11
Andrew Wilsonhow would we know that? I'm telling you now. Of course. But don't you think that if you saw the last two episodes, they went 5 hours. Why would you presume that yours was going to go less and that we would know you had health issues?
01:55:22
Brian AtlasBecause I'm telling you, I have When you get to the show, oh my god. Wow. This is an initial this is a disclosure now. But look, so we're going to continue the conversation, but there was one other thing you said to me there in private.
01:55:35
Andrew WilsonShe's like, she's you're fundamentally a dishonest person. Like fundamentally dishonest. There's no reason for you to have hold that presumption at all. On top of the there being no reason for you to hold that presumption whatsoever. uh
01:55:46
Kylie Breweryou get to the studio then say you have health issues. It's like yeah, you know, it seems fundamentally dishonest, right? I mean, that's just kind of something that you don't want to disclose cuz it's a little embarrassing,
01:55:58
Kylie Brewerbut we're not asking you. Are you going to cry? Look, strong woman. We're not asking you. I thought you were a strong woman. You guys have a really good day. I'm leaving. Hold on. We're not asking. Hold on. Hold on. We're not Look, I
01:56:10
Brian Atlasthought you were strong woman. Kylie, do you want to just take like three minutes to gather? No, I'm leaving. Like I'm driving home. Um I mean you look you agreed to I agreed to appear not stay for the entire Yeah, but that you can't
01:56:23
Brian Atlasdo some technicality where Well, I showed up for 2 minutes and I'm just going to leave and get the benefits of Look, Kylie, just take a five minute breather. It's You still there, Kylie? Yeah, I'm
01:56:35
Brian Atlashere. Look, do you want to take a five minute breather? Come back and we'll we'll talk more. Okay. Um All right. Uh here I'll do some chats. I'll read
01:56:47
Brian Atlassome chats. Uh let's see here. We have Oh boy, there's a lot. Um and I and I think we were about to get into a really good segment there
01:56:57
Brian Atlaswhen it came to uh is misogyny worse than uh mis misandry? Uh can you be uh sexist towards men? Can or can women be sexist towards men? So let's do this.
01:57:08
Brian AtlasUh, here we got Wait, Kylie, you I'm great. I'm happy. Okay. Okay, that's fine. All right, I just uh All right, so we have Red Fox here.
01:57:22
SPEAKER_05Red Fox donated $100. Brian, great job as a mod. Andrew, I am sorry you have been putting in so much work and this is the quality of
01:57:32
Andrew Wilsonyour opponent. Glad your family is safe. Not one step back. Look, bring on the blood sport. And for those of you I know there's probably a few of you in chat who are like, "How would he do that?" Well, here's the thing, right? It's like
01:57:44
Andrew WilsonI've been engaging in good faith, engaging in a a typical debate. They're going to they're you know what I mean? And the whole time it's been all about tone and Andrew's bad and this and it's like, you know, and then we get to it. She lied to routine. She agreed to 6:30
01:57:57
Andrew Wilsonbefore the cameras rolled. I'm telling you, she not only agreed to it, but uh basic I mean they discussed it and she was like, "Yeah, 6:30." Then she changes her mind, right? And then kind of was
01:58:10
Andrew Wilsonvery dishonest about the reasoning behind it. And you know, there's a form of female manipulation which happens when they're like, I don't want to disclose any health issues because it could be embarrass. It's like, well, then why did you agree to the show? We didn't ask about the Yeah. No, but of
01:58:23
Andrew Wilsoncourse not. It's all fundamentally dishonest. And so it's like, you know, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to look at her when they turn on the waterworks when, you know, it's clearly manipulation and be like, "Oh, okay then. Yeah, [ __ ] that. [ __ ] that." I've