Cat Fight RAGE QUIT! BIG ANNOUNCEMENT! Andrew Wilson IN STUDIO! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #182
Date: 2024-07-29
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Jolie Elena(guest)
SPEAKER_03Selena Imai(guest)
SPEAKER_04MJ / Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_05Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas (fragments)(host)
SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_12TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_14Andrew Wilson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:23
IntroBrian Atlas opens show, apologizes for late start due to no-shows/flakes.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:02:50
IntroMJ introduces: age 22, UCSB grad (film/media and religious studies double major), Palm Springs, unemployed.
“my name is MJ I'm 22 years old um I am a recent UCSB graduate and I studied film and media and religious studies”
00:03:37
IntroSelena introduces: age 19, from LA, occupation is porn star since January 2024.
“my name is Selena I'm 19 I'm from LA and my occupation is porn star”
00:03:49
IntroCC (Claudia) introduces: age 20, pharmacy tech. Roommate had family emergency.
“hi my name's Claudia I go by CC um I'm 20 years old and my occupation is I'm a pharmacy tech”
00:04:33
IntroJesse Taylor introduces: 26, Clearwater FL/LA, CX Network, TikTok #1 comedy, OnlyFans, music, property, getting married, has a baby.
“hi I'm Jesse Taylor I am from Clearwater Florida born and raised and I live out in Los Angeles um I own property um I manage my property I was fortunate enough to buy my house in cash”
00:06:30
IntroJolie Elena introduces: 19, criminology/justice studies bachelor's (simultaneously earned associate's), content creator @jolieelena on TikTok/Instagram/YouTube.
“hello my name is Jolie Elena I am 19 years old um I just graduated from cesson with my bachelor's in criminology and Justice studies”
00:07:30
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces: host of The Crucible (fastest growing YouTube debate channel), political analyst.
“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing YouTube debate channel”
00:08:02
OtherBig announcement: Brian and Andrew launch debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course. 80+ videos, 6 hours.
“me and Andrew have uh teamed up we've released a course called verbal combat that's available at debate university.com”
02:51:40
ControversyJesse escalates fight: threatens to sue, calls Selena a prostitute, brags about having $100k cash, calls others broke losers. Near-physical confrontation.
“until you have $100,000 in cash I don't want you to talk to me okay bring me $100,000”
03:09:10
ControversyJesse Taylor rage-quits the show after mic mute by viewer Gerald. Andrew says 'give us the rage quit'. Jesse leaves saying 'I think I should go'.
“I think I should just remove myself before I anybody else... I think I should go”
03:10:00
OtherBrian pops champagne after Jesse's rage quit. Thanks Gerald for the mic mute donation. Called it 'scary'. Praised Selena for handling it 'like a trooper'.
“scary um you handle that like a TR good job uh AB Che thank for the gift to 20 memberships”
03:13:46
OtherBrian introduces Morgan as replacement guest mid-show. Morgan is 18, city college, political science.
“welcome we have Morgan joining us Morgan uh do you want to introduce yourself Morgan”
03:14:10
IntroMorgan introduces: 18, city college, political science major.
“okay that's it they know go to the city college and I'm majoring in political”
03:14:40
OtherRatings round begins: Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10, can't pick 7.
“ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of one to 10 can't pick seven”
03:47:20
QuoteJolie presents anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power over men.
“there's scarcity in um there's value in not being sexually promiscuous and and there's so much value that comes from it that you'll be treated much better for it”
04:54:12
QuoteWhatever stats displayed: 181 episodes, 1,381 guest appearances, 80% non-sex-worker vs 20% sex worker/OF.
“181 episodes longest show was number 177 longest show 9 hours... 1,381 guests we've had 168 repeat appearances”
05:37:09
ControversyBody count round. Selena: porn body count ~100 scenes; civilian count unclear (~10 estimated). CC: stated 5 (with ambiguous 'multiply by 3' comment).
“what's everybody's body count... starting with Selena what is uh body count um I don't know my body count but I don't count the porn bodies”
05:46:00
QuoteBrian offers Selena a call to action: commit on the podcast to quit sex work entirely.
“would you consider stopping sex work entirely and making a commitment on the whatever podcast to stop”
06:00:00
OtherAndrew asks Selena to confirm definitionally: men pay her for penetrative sex on camera = prostitution?
“you can confirm that men do pay you to have penetrative sex on camera for the purposes of sexually gratifying other people”
06:30:00
OtherShow end. Brian thanks panel; 'only the DJs (Selena and CC) made it to the end'. Raid to SandTV.
“GG well played to the panel those of you who made it to the goddamn end... W Selena W CeCe”
Topics Discussed
00:00:23
Show open / announcements / debate university promo
Brian opens show with announcements. Apologizes for late start due to no-shows and flakes. Guests introduce themselves. Big announcement: debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course (80+ videos, 6 hours) launched by Brian and Andrew Wilson. Trailer played.
00:02:50
Guest introductions / relationship status round
All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship status round follows — each guest shares current status, longest relationship. MJ discusses 'special connections' vs dating; Selena discusses only-fans/porn work context; Jesse discusses engagement and baby; CC discusses long-term boyfriend since age 14; Jolie discusses views on promiscuity and dating standards.
01:34:40
Traditional relationships / submissiveness debate
Selena discusses wanting traditional dominant-submissive dynamic despite her porn career. Andrew and Brian challenge the contradiction. Selena cannot articulate what she brings to the table. Discussion on what men with traditional values would want from a partner.
01:36:00
Age gap dating debate
Discussion on older men dating younger women. Whether men who date younger women are predatory or simply more attractive. MJ argues circumstantial; Andrew argues generalizations are valid. CC (SPEAKER_05) makes biological clock arguments. Jolie (SPEAKER_02) discusses benefits of dating older men. Panel mostly concedes age gaps are acceptable.
01:53:20
Porn industry / long-term consequences debate
Extended debate on whether Selena's porn career will have long-term consequences for relationships. Andrew argues risk mitigation logic; Selena acknowledges consequences but continues. CC (Jesse/SPEAKER_05) escalates argument with Selena about hypocrisy (OnlyFans vs porn). Family structure arguments; Christian household upbringing; parental acceptance. Andrew offers: 'If you quit now you have a good chance it gets buried.'
02:51:40
Jesse Taylor rage quit / cat fight
Jesse (SPEAKER_05) escalates fight with CC and Selena. Rapid insults about body count, OnlyFans, money, property, intelligence. Near-physical confrontation (~2:21). Jesse gets mic-muted by viewer Gerald (mic mute donation). Jesse rage-quits at ~3:09:10. Brian pops champagne afterward. Panel discusses Jesse's behavior; chat later DMs Brian with alleged sex videos of Jesse.
03:14:40
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10, can't pick 7)
Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7, after Morgan joins). MJ: 8 -> 6. CC/others: 8 -> 6. Selena: 8 (face 6, body 8) -> 3 vs Megan Fox. Jolie: 8 -> 4-5 vs Megan Fox. Morgan: 6.5. Andrew: 4 then 5. Andrew challenges the concept of subjective self-rating without objective comparison. Chat votes Jolie over 38-year-old Megan Fox.
03:14:40
Will women age better debate
Andrew asks if panel will be better looking in 10-20 years. Jolie thinks yes at 29, uncertain at 39. CC thinks she'll peak in her 30s-40s. Selena thinks she could be a milf at 40. Brian argues most 35-40yo women are not as attractive as 19-20yo women; panel concedes.
03:47:20
Promiscuity / body count / sexual standards debate
Jolie presents strong anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power; sleeping around destroys dating market. Debate on whether men caring about body count is insecure. Selena defends not judging body count; says men who care about body count due to comparison anxiety are insecure. Andrew presents evolutionary paternity uncertainty argument for male disgust at promiscuity.
04:00:00
Polygamy / red pill ideology critique
Jolie critiques Fresh & Fit style influencers promoting polygamy. Andrew presents evolutionary argument for why asymmetric polygamy (one man, many women) is more evolutionarily stable than polyandry. Debate on whether normalizing it on platforms is harmful. Jolie agrees with Islamic polygamy context (historical scarcity of men) but disagrees with modern normalization.
04:21:40
Feminist identification / women on easy mode debate
Brian asks if anyone considers themselves feminist. Selena: technically yes but doesn't label herself. Others similar. Andrew: if you believe in equality you can't avoid the feminist label if you think women need advocates. All agree women have it on easy mode for quantity of dating. Jolie argues women have it easier for quantity but harder for quality. Andrew challenges the quality/quantity framing.
04:54:05
Debate university / verbal combat announcement (second plug)
Brian and Andrew re-announce debateuniversity.com Verbal Combat course launch. 80+ videos, 6 hours of content. Monthly Q&A membership group. Brian tipsy from champagne pops during announcement.
04:54:12
Whatever stats review (181 episodes)
Brian displays audience-compiled Whatever Podcast stats: 181 episodes, longest show #177 at 9 hours. 1,381 total guest appearances, 168 repeat appearances, 1,145 unique guests. Top guests: Andrew (36x), Chase (13x), Q (11x), Prio (9x), Shania (9x). Average guest age: 25. Relationship status breakdown: mostly single. Sex worker breakdown: ~80% non-sex worker, ~17% OnlyFans, ~3% professional sex worker.
04:55:00
Women's voting rights / military draft debate
Andrew argues women should not be able to vote for politicians who can send men to war when women cannot be drafted. Selena struggles with the logic. Andrew offers compromise: women can only vote on non-military matters. Selena concedes she hadn't considered voting. Panel discussion on women's rights being secured by male soldiers (force doctrine).
05:01:40
Dad bod vs six pack debate
Brian reacts to tweet claiming women prefer dad bods over six packs. Panel discusses whether the 'dad bod' shown is actually average. Jason Momoa comparison. Brief discussion on body hair, shaving.
05:37:09
Body count reveal round
Brian asks everyone's body count. Selena: civilian ~10 (uncertain); porn scenes ~100 in 7 months; worked with ~4 women and many men (some repeats). Jesse (already left). CC: approximately 5 (said '5, multiply by 3 for the real number'). Morgan/Maddie: 'if you know you know'. Jolie implied zero (virgin). Discussion on porn body count vs civilian body count distinction.
06:00:00
Selena / prostitution definition debate
Andrew asks Selena whether men paying her for penetrative sex on camera is prostitution by definition. Selena disagrees; does not consider herself a prostitute. Andrew walks through the definitional argument. Brian asks Selena to commit on the show to quitting porn; she declines.
Transcript
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04:41:58
Brian Atlasam okay um uh let's see hold on well uh here we're going to do sorry
04:42:09
Brian Atlasguys just it's always annoying man um we're going to do bro I'm sorry they're [ __ ] talking back there she can if she wants to stay
04:42:21
Brian Atlasin the studio she can rejoin the panel otherwise she needs to kindly exit the studio can we can we have
04:42:39
Brian Atlasthat oh my God okay um sorry guys it's just frustrating people noow people cancel your friend [ __ ] cancelled we wouldn't have had
04:42:50
Brian Atlasto uh family emergency it's always convenient though that somehow the family emergencies always tend to
04:42:59
Jolie Elenamanifest mere hours before our show it's weird I like harassed you guys for like a year to get on like I really
04:43:10
Brian Atlaswanted to get on so I don't I don't get get it uh people are just incredibly flaky so uh it is what it is but um okay so I'm going to go back to my
04:43:22
Brian Atlasnotes Selena you said you wanted to talk about um you had a bad date anecdote oh like my bad dating story
04:43:32
Selena Imaiyeah something about um you got dropped off on the side of the highway yeah so like I don't know it might have been like a year and a half two years ago now but I went on a date
04:43:45
Selena Imaiand everything was fine you know like he picked me up because this was before I had a license um so he picked me up we go we eat whatever on the way back um he
04:43:57
Selena Imaijust randomly brought up like oh I really want to have a threesome with my ex for whatever reason and then I was like no that's weird and then he's like okay get the [ __ ] out of my car
04:44:09
Selena Imaitype thing um so then from there I just had to Uber home like how how long ago was this this was about a year and a half ago probably so
04:44:20
Selena Imaiyou weren't doing your profession at this time or you were um I had an only fans but this was before I started camming so I didn't really have an audience on only fans yeah but you were
04:44:31
Andrew Wilsondoing only fans yeah do you think that that's had an expectation sure for in his mind sure yeah did he bring that up as a
04:44:40
Selena Imaijustification to why he thought it would be okay yeah um no he didn't he didn't say oh cuz you have an only fans I thought you'd be down he didn't say that
04:44:50
Selena Imaiwas it implied sure yeah but you know I mean it's his perspective and you know whatever but um yeah that was crazy
04:45:02
Selena Imaithat's definitely the craziest experience I've had on a date he dropped you on the highway yeah damn
04:45:14
Brian Atlasit's crazy at least I I had enough money to Uber home though it was interesting you did say I we already pretty much talked about it but you said uh age Gap uh dating but I think you are fine with
04:45:26
Brian Atlasage gaps is my understanding yeah I'm cool with age Gap dating um you said that disagreements I've heard various things I've disagreed with uh one of which was the marriage divorce thing
04:45:38
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywhat was the disagreement there well on one sec sorry Brian uh Maddie can you read it I just wanted to make sure my Woods was a blank free environment Andrew come
04:45:49
Andrew Wilsonon out we can hang out and do some fishing I bet I catch more than you do okay thank you be in the woods you're not going to you're not going to catch more than me but anyway go
04:46:00
Selena Imaiahead what what were your disagreements with the marriage divorce thing so before I was on the podcast I only saw one video about it and it was on MO
04:46:11
Selena Imaicritical Channel and there was this guy I I even forgot what they were talking about critical doesn't he go by another name I
04:46:19
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04:46:30
Brian Atlaswhen dining out like she is in the studio you're you're like short right you're like 411 yeah okay I don't do you use booster seats okay no um I I mean I know exactly what you're
04:46:43
Brian Atlastalking about that was a panelist on the show uh I don't agree with his position so there's really no point for me to like have you state right oh yeah I
04:46:54
Selena Imaidon't agree with his position so I'm not prepared to like argue on his behalf but was there [Music] something that was it it was yeah that was pretty much it that was the only
04:47:06
Selena Imaiexample I had seen of the podcast before coming on but you said you've heard various things you've disagreed with um I don't know I guess I worded it badly I had seen things in that video that I did
04:47:17
Brian Atlasnot agree with right that was another male guest panelist who is not a host of the show who what did he
04:47:26
Brian Atlassay not I don't want to I don't want to okay is there anything else you said you disagree with the various things though
04:47:35
Selena Imaino I that was pretty much it okay um
04:47:43
Brian Atlasyour I saw in your Ling tree your off is called malicious Kitty MH what why just
04:47:51
Selena Imaiwhy um well I put the name malicious Kitty for my only fans name um I just thought it was like a cute like I don't know CUNY name at the time like I mean I
04:48:04
Selena ImaiI was thinking about changing it to my stage name which is Selena imay and I was thinking about changing it to be more professional but I'm like like I I think it's like a cute name for more professional well yeah cuz my stage name
04:48:16
Andrew Wilsonversus like just a random username you know but yeah okay I I like it you know I'm not actually familiar with what is considered a professional or
04:48:27
Andrew Wilsonnonprofessional level of of porn names to be honest with you well cuz like my stage name is Selena IMI but like my only Fan's name is just a random
04:48:39
Selena Imaiusername so like if someone wanted to find mine it might be harder for them to find it based off a random name okay mhm uh guys go to twitch. TV slever
04:48:50
Brian Atlastwitch.tv was there something we were supposed to pull up Nick yeah there's a couple what was the totally forgot uh
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04:49:45
Brian Atlasyou're just tuning in me and Andrew have uh teamed up we've released a course called verbal combat that's available at debate
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Brian Atlasuniversity.com and there's 80 plus videos six hours of content Andrew Wilson the
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Brian Atlasmaster debater teaching you so what wait so is it like videos from the both of you or uh it's it's Andrew and he has
04:50:15
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04:50:36
Brian Atlasum I don't I'm not much of I'm not much of a debater but I in any case so we have that program available debate university.com there's a uh there's the
04:50:47
Brian Atlascourse and then we also have a monthly membership group where me and Andrew will be doing uh monthly Q&A sessions those will be fantastic you really I'm
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Brian Atlassomething really high quality together and that's exactly what we did rock and roll rock and roll now guys we're going to get into some of the stats the whatever stats 181 episodes this is
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Brian Atlastaken from it'll take us just a minute or two to get through this pull it up Nick all right uh put us on the other
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Brian Atlasyou can go big yeah that's fine okay scroll down a little bit page two I wonder if you yeah uh the corner put put me in the the other Corner other Corner
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Brian Atlasleft corner yeah small do small I think all right guys we've done 100 corner is there a left small Corner okay whatever
04:52:57
Brian Atlasum 181 episodes longest show was number 177 longest show 9 hours damn rip uh like I was on that one I think
04:53:07
Brian Atlasyou were scroll down uh guest appearances we've had over we've had
04:53:15
Brian Atlas1,381 guests we've had 168 repeat appearances uh unique guess, 145 okay that is crazy top 10 most frequent guesss
04:53:26
Brian Atlasnext all right we have uh number one Andrew with 36 Chase with 13 Q with 11 prio with nine Shania nine
04:53:36
Brian Atlasdamn she's been on nine times Mason 8 Kelly 7 Jake seven Kiko seven Lauren roses six okay cool age average age people say we bring on like super young
04:53:48
Brian Atlaspeople but I mean average age 25 uh okay next uh that one's not super interesting but relationship this is the
04:53:59
Brian Atlasrelationship status breakdown of everybody we got mostly single people and okay next now this is the most interesting one cuz people uh is that
04:54:12
Brian Atlasall scrolled all the way down yeah sex worker status so uh it's
04:54:19
Brian Atlasabout 80% 80% non-sex worker 20% sex worker we often receive this criticism
04:54:28
Brian Atlasthat whatever is a o Ad Agency and this has been levied multiple times we only they claim we only bring on o girls it's actually looking at the stats for all the episodes
04:54:41
Andrew Wilsonit's uh it's pretty minimal you know and I wonder what the percentage of the female population at 25 who's on o even is that might be interested you know I'm
04:54:53
TTS/Donationsinterested to see it's probably not 20% $69 question to everyone who you voting for Brian we all know you're voting for
04:55:03
Andrew Wilsoncarela bro stop the cap and but I noticed you made a distinction there which was interesting
04:55:11
Andrew Wilsonmhm it actually says only 3% are sex workers and then it says 17% are only fans workers so by women's metric how
04:55:22
Brian Atlasmany of them are actually sex workers then wait by women's metric yeah so this guy whoever put this together you're saying like by women's metric of girls are not sex workers oh
04:55:34
Andrew Wilsonokay um yeah it was like 2% 3% two yeah 3% yeah am I wait am I missing something well yeah so if they're accusing you of having a
04:55:47
Andrew Wilsonbunch of sex workers on oh right so then the distinction there is well wait do you actually consider only Fan sex work m a lot of the female perspective it seems like they don't
04:55:57
Andrew WilsonM I think they're sex workers I think I think they're that's why well yeah you included them mhm you said 20% sex workers so you included sex worker oh okay and only fans but I'm saying from
04:56:09
Andrew Wilsonthe position those who were critical like feminists for instance they wouldn't consider the only fans girls to be sex workers so it's actually from their perspective it's only 3% I see
04:56:20
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyokay true that's true right Maddie well I feel like the people who don't cons the only fans girls who don't consider themselves sex workers are like solo content girls which is obviously still
04:56:31
Andrew Wilsonsex work but yeah I think that's what I don't know yeah but it's from the perspective of an internal critique yeah so most the people who are going to be critic of whatever are going to be
04:56:41
Andrew Wilsonleftist feminists MH not usually a lot who aren't le as feminists there's there's some who aren't I agree there's Christian conservatives who are also pretty critical I think that they would
04:56:53
Brian Atlasagree that of is sex work yeah but I'm not sure leftist feminist would true interesting very true stats guys he did ask a question though who are you voting
04:57:06
Selena Imaifor starting with you um I don't honestly like I'm uneducated in politics so I wasn't even planning to
04:57:17
Selena Imaivote which I know is bad but it's like not bad because promise I know no no but here's the thing I know that I am uneducated in politics so I don't feel like I should vote because I'm uneducated totally agree do you promise
04:57:29
Andrew Wilsonyou're not going to vote this cycle no I I don't want to you prom prom promise she's promising if you if you promise the steakhouse of your choice Crucible
04:57:40
Brian Atlaswill send you to you promise I promise you're not voting right I promise okay wait is this like voter is this like a crime to be like I will give you money to not vote no I'm down it's not it's
04:57:53
Andrew Wilsonnot even a crime to give them money to vote wait really no you can just do it through a steakhous I was just curious perfect yes The Crucible will send you to the steakhouse of your choice but you
04:58:04
Andrew Wilsonpromise you're not voting promise not briber is it not word okay no it's not it's not briber it's not bribery she already said she wasn't going to do it okay we're just incentivizing her to continue not to just encourage who cares
04:58:16
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyI don't have a pack anyway I'm a private I'm a private citizen I can bribe people if I want to who you voting for um I don't know um I'm uneducated too but can I just say
04:58:29
Andrew Wilsonthat I vote for somebody because they fun dinner steak dinner and you know funny is that bad do do you like steak no how this okay okay what's your favorite meal chicken nuggets if if I
04:58:40
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyget you 20 piece mbang like mukbang on 20 piece chicken nugget the sauce of your choice and you promise you're not voting well I've never voted I don't deal about to take I just don't see
04:58:52
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyrelevance but never mind I'm going to say it all right was funny who you voting for oh um I was told this was like a dating and
04:59:04
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyrelationship podcast I prefer not to talk about F politics it but it isn't politics something that comes up in dating a lot I wouldn't know I mean I I feel like it
04:59:18
Andrew Wilsonis I think it does yeah yeah I think it I think it does definitely does definely yeah you want you want to date somebody who has the same values yeah or even if you don't have the same values you're going to you're going to discuss
04:59:31
Andrew Wilsonpolitics at some point but there those are interesting conversations though yeah they are it's just like fun you know they are and then you can with chicken nuggets bribe them not to even vote it's perfect and um avocado line
04:59:42
Andrew Wilsonyeah food like as bribery I'm always going to pick the food to be honest look and we're we're going to make sure that you get that stake because you're not going to
04:59:52
Jolie Elenavote oh um I wanted to vote for RFK but now I just have to vote for Trump who's RFK uh
05:00:00
Jolie ElenaRobert if Kennedy uh John F Kennedy's son or great grandson related to Jon of Kennedy so
05:00:11
Andrew Wilsonokay you're voting for Trump yeah yeah okay cool as long as it's Trump we're good sorry I'm show so so I just want to
05:00:19
Selena Imaimake sure I got this right no vote no vote no vote sure I think she want my dad my dad works for the county so I can't talk
05:00:31
Andrew Wilsonabout any of this stuff online plead the fit that's about who you're going to vote for CU your dad works for the county I I just can't okay you're
05:00:41
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyunderestimating and then Trump right I wish RFK but listen man the county serious business Andrew which county cuz there's a lot of counties
05:00:53
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyOrange County is he even a politician or is he just worked for the county suff county it's New York oh bro that's New York yeah oh yeah we don't even know oh I forgot it's all the United States New York not just California New York New
05:01:06
Brian AtlasYork I thought they were presidents for California for not talk about who you're going to vote for if you're no it's it's against the law F it's against the law what was the other thing was there something else it's not against the law
05:01:18
Brian Atlasreact to okay while he's doing that does is there any dadbot thing yeah we could do that
05:01:27
Brian Atlasall right boys saw this tweet saw this tweet uh so this girl says Dad bods over six packs now there's one glaring issue that
05:01:38
Brian Atlasthat's not a [ __ ] dad boss not a [ __ ] D that's like average where the beell that's like average you think that's average bro that's cute wait you think
05:01:48
Selena Imaithat guy you think Jason mimoa is a on the left yeah you think on the body I thought it was pretty aage you think on the left is an average physique yes yeah cuz like he doesn't like have like PEC
05:02:00
Selena Imaiso he's not going to the gym but he's not like he PS are invisible he got some do you think that men that look like that don't go to the gym because they don't have sixpack not at all I'm just
05:02:11
Andrew Wilsonsaying like I feel like that was an a that dude on the yeah he clearly works out I don't I don't know what you're talking about only honestly but like compared to this guy yeah but his body fat percentage is a little bit lower but
05:02:23
Brian Atlaslike Jason mimo is going to have like ABS well like strength which guy do you think weighs more if you look at their biceps their biceps look this guy weighs more I mean it's hard to do comparison
05:02:34
Selena Imailike this I'm not the gym person yeah he's like hella tall yeah well he's like a bigger man huge I just like my man by the way I just want to point out that the dude on
05:02:44
Andrew Wilsonthe right has no body hair mhm wait so he shaves yeah oh do you know that guy no but I I have been told that men should shave their arms no men
05:02:56
Andrew Wilsonwhat no show us your tummy Andrew no no I I like hair well they're showing their tummy true he doesn't have shaved arms that's true so true hair is manly you
05:03:06
Andrew Wilsonknow like for me what would you think if if like a um let's say you were at an event and a bald former prisoner lost his mind and told you to show him your
05:03:18
Andrew Wilsontummy would you do it I would run away you wouldn't stand your ground and tell him that he was like dumb and stuff like that the prisoner no I'm running
05:03:30
Andrew Wilsonyou're running I'm running what if he told you you should shave your arms would you shave your arms yeah I get laser hair removal so that's irrelevant so you're not shaving your arms my my
05:03:42
Selena Imaiarms are are bald cuz I get legs are hair removal all right fair
05:03:49
Brian Atlasenough wait bow video bow bow oh wait okay a couple things uh any uh disagreements from anybody on
05:03:59
Brian Atlasthe panel who's seen the show like any other disagreements maybe you've seen Andrew maybe you've seen me something we said you disagree with any disagreements
05:04:11
Brian Atlasokay then I'll just throw out let me see if any of you are going to bite on any of this so all right hold on all right let me just throw out some [ __ ] toxic [ __ ] toxic [ __ ] all right uh women have
05:04:24
Brian Atlasdating on easy mode what does that mean like they can get easier as compared to Men Women way easier for wom I think they can get dates easier
05:04:33
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyes okay cool sweet we all agree women have it on easy mode you're 200% what yes definitely I think that because there's more like men begging women to
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Jolie Elena[ __ ] than girls begging a man to [ __ ] facts that's facts that's facts facts good answer you think what women have
05:04:53
Andrew Wilsonbetter chances wom women women I think I'm saying wom no you said I I paid attention you said woman woman Nick am I
05:05:02
Selena Imairight I said he heard woman he heard woman is it like an LA thing I don't say every woman on plan but did I say
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Brian Atlaswoman I think you any go ahead go ahead make your wa your woman is the same sounds the same anyways go ahead
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Jolie Elenaum forgot okay I think with women um with women um I think it's more about
05:05:34
Jolie Elenawe have better chances with we have it easier when it comes to quantity but not with quality and and with men it's like the other way uh I I think men are more
05:05:45
Jolie Elenalikely to find a good woman depending on the man but I think in the age range too I
05:05:58
Jolie Elenamean Hello I want to make sure I got this right I don't understand explain say say it one more time one more con have better chances with quantity so they will
05:06:10
Jolie Elenaeasily have men all over them like they want to hit you know they they can easily find a date men can't find a date that easily because they have to put
05:06:19
Jolie Elenaeffort more effort into pursuing a woman but women have a harder time finding quality men even though they have a quantity of men around them
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Jolie Elena[ __ ] um but why do you think women end up in women women women I'm saying no you said woman I'm telling you but what but regardless of the reason behind
05:06:41
Jolie Elenawhether it's women's fault or men fault cuz I do believe it's well we're not talking about fault there's there you made a different claim that's what I'm saying but regardless I'm I'm putting that aside cuz I feel like you were
05:06:50
Jolie Elenagoing to like bring that up um I still think women women have a harder time like seeing identifying who's a good man
05:07:01
Jolie Elenaor not which is why they end up in a lot of relationships and I think it's kind of contradicting to argue that that's not the truth because a lot of men well well you changed your
05:07:11
Andrew Wilsonclaim that wasn't your claim your claim was uh quantity versus quality yes so to
05:07:17
Andrew Wilsonbe concise um yes uh there's a lot more quantity for um you know for for what men to choose from and then it's the quality on the women's part they can't
05:07:30
Jolie Elenafind a good quality man it's like it's harder for them to find a quality man because for multiple reasons like they can't identify it maybe they're out there I'm not saying that it's hard because they're don't they don't exist
05:07:41
Jolie ElenaI'm saying like maybe they just not taught well how to identify a good man okay so what's equality ma'am um I mean it's subjective but people with
05:07:52
Andrew WilsonObviously good well hang on hang on if it's subjective how are they not being how are they not finding them if it's a subjective metric wouldn't that mean
05:08:04
Jolie Elenathat their metric would be [ __ ] up well most women want the same thing so if if I say it's not subjective I I mean I'm just pointing that out because people could disagree with my definition
05:08:15
Jolie Elenaand speaking for everyone like you know cuz I would be speaking for everyone um but someone who doesn't cheat someone who has morals and um doesn't cheat has
05:08:26
Jolie Elenamorals has morals and attractive that's obviously and they're obviously attracted to like the masculine that's part of quality
05:08:38
Jolie Elenalike having ambition goals and um not there's details about it too like certain habits like there's a lot of men
05:08:49
Jolie Elenathat are addicted to corn and I don't think people like I think that's just majority and I think that's really hard to find okay so so backing up real quick let's take the first four they have to
05:09:01
Jolie Elenabe attractive do you remember the other three um good morals um loyal mhm and and um ambitious ambitious okay we'll
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Jolie Elenaleave it there what is a quality woman um loyal mhm [Music]
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Jolie Elenaum uh morals good morals um attractive and Ambitions in different ways in different
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Jolie Elenaways because I do believe what Ambitions are we looking for in women exactly I okay I would say Hobbies what hobbies are men looking for in women an ambitious cooker I do believe a man and
05:09:45
Jolie Elenalike does kind of look for a woman that has like personality at least like you know yeah but women are looking for men with personality right sorry just stop
05:09:56
Jolie Elenatouching the men men are looking for women with personality as well yeah so women that are at like have class like won't embarrass them basically like educated they have aren't women looking
05:10:07
Andrew Wilsonfor that quality in men as well um yes okay so then what's our fourth criteria here I'm not sure I can't I'm like so then I don't understand if
05:10:18
Andrew Wilsonthere's only three criteria for women but five criteria for men um then then it seems then it seems like
05:10:28
Jolie Elenathere would actually be more quality men than quality women no because women require more for men which is why there's less quality oh they require
05:10:38
Andrew Wilsonmore from men and but so it's not really that there's a quality issue with men it's that women require higher quality men than men require higher quality
05:10:50
Jolie Elenawomen but our requirements is what sets that standard for them to be quality I mean regard like I still think they aren't quality men because I mean we're the who else are they going to date like
05:11:00
Jolie Elenathere's like other men like the women set that standard and determine what is a quality man like they set that standard so it's still a lack of quality but is the standard higher than what men
05:11:11
Jolie Elenahave um you could say like as like I believe in equity not equality I do believe women probably have more standards but it's Bal okay Define equity and don't use a [ __ ] box in
05:11:23
Andrew Wilsonyour example I already know you're going to use a box in the example Define equity I honestly can't give you like a Oxford dictionary definition just like
05:11:32
Jolie Elenayour own definition definition it's when things are fair um in in that context I mean I could give
05:11:42
Jolie Elenaan example like you could say women and men are you could argue there's equality if they fight in a boxing match but it's not really equal because women have a
05:11:54
Andrew Wilsonless Advantage physically they aren't physically okay okay fair enough so let's back it up super quick because we only have so much time for the conversation if the standards and
05:12:04
Andrew Wilsonquality are lower for men to women than women to men then how in the world can you say that women have a harder time finding a quality partner if men's standard for what a quality partner is is lower than women's towards men well
05:12:17
Andrew Wilsonbecause I think the standards that we set for men are justifiable it's something that I'm not saying they're not I'm assuming they are so what so real quick listen to what the actual question I'm asking I'm going to assume
05:12:28
Andrew Wilsonthat you're correct and that women are assuming the standard for what quality of men are and vice versa but if that's
05:12:37
Andrew Wilsontrue mhm if women desire higher quality in men than men desire in women then how
05:12:47
Andrew Wilsonis it that uh that women are having trouble finding a quality partner I not understanding I think women
05:12:57
Andrew Wilsonand I'm I'm confused on the question let's back it up again let's go over our standards let's start way back at the beginning yeah what are the qualities
05:13:07
Jolie Elenathat you think women wanting men um ambitious loyal um good habits um attractive uh
05:13:19
Jolie Elenamorals I'm not sure if I said something else but that's what I so now let's move over to the other side what do you think it is that men want in women um
05:13:30
Jolie Elenaattractiveness good morals loyalty and good personality mhm so the standard is lower yeah yeah so when you're saying quality
05:13:42
Jolie Elenayou're just actually saying that women have a higher standard than men do yeah yeah that's it right it's like it doesn't balance I thought you believed
05:13:51
Jolie Elenain equity it's like I it you Technic say that women require more but it's almost
05:14:00
Jolie Elenalike how's that Equitable it's almost like it's inevitable it's like the only extra thing we require is how's it Equitable what are you asking how is it
05:14:13
Andrew WilsonEquitable that women have higher standards for men than men have for women we have what does equitable mean well she
05:14:22
Jolie Elenajust explained it standards okay well the original question was can women find quality yeah but you brought this to a
05:14:32
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allysubjective me like seriously I'm lost I'm like on the dead I just think that a woman that a woman can demand certain quantities fromang hang let us finish we're almost done because we're going to
05:14:43
Andrew Wilsonbring it way back again instantly how this argument started or how we we got on it yeah because we're talking about the standards yeah that
05:14:54
Andrew Wilsonmen have versus women have for the opposite sex you say it's subjective so therefore women are going to set the standard for what is a highquality man right women set the standard for what is
05:15:06
Andrew Wilsona high quality man yeah okay so if women set the standard for what is a high quality man and you're saying their standard is higher than what men's standard is for
05:15:17
Jolie Elenawomen for what is high quality right um so yeah women set the standard for what is quality mhm and like it's like the way the way I
05:15:29
Jolie Elenacould simplify my thought process is like it's not my fault like sorry this sounds Rudd but like to sum it up it's like not my fault of men require less like there's a reason behind like a biological reason but at the end of the day there's still because they require
05:15:42
Jolie Elenaless there's still an abundance of quality women and because women require more there's a lack of qual quality in men so then so then let us solve the
05:15:51
Andrew Wilsonissue okay men should raise their standards um yeah actually I do believe that so you're so the way that we would solve
05:16:03
Andrew Wilsonthat issue to make it Equitable is that men should raise their standards and then there would be less quality women right but I would like to just for
05:16:15
Jolie Elenalike the people sitting at home like specify what that means could I express what I mean oh I can't wait to hear it okay so what do you think where do you think
05:16:26
Jolie Elenais the first place a man should like raise their standards in a woman cuz that's where I think we would argue like I think a lot of men will be like well I'm going to start requiring a woman to
05:16:36
Andrew Wilsonsplit bills 50/50 and I think that's like what where I would find an issue I think that they they should begin to try to move towards women remaining Chast I agree that's what I mean by men should
05:16:49
Jolie Elenaraise your standards I think a lot of men look at any woman and they expect her to be good but she's like they don't look for good qualities like educated women like good women yeah wait well I don't educated women I think I think
05:17:01
Andrew Wilsonthat the qualities that you listed for what women are looking for in men aren't good qualities either sorry I think qualities on the opposite end that you're listing for men not necessarily good qualities either
05:17:13
Jolie Elenawell so here's the things I didn't hear I didn't hear you say virtue well that cuz I correlate that with morals I correlate that with I tie that into morals I could get specific
05:17:25
Andrew Wilsonand list like stoicism and stuff like yeah so so okay morals he doesn't steal but does he hump a bunch of checks before he meets you I that's why I said
05:17:36
Andrew Wilsonloyalty okay loyalty but but if you're just saying that the way to correct this imbalance mhm so this you're actually thinking about this the wrong way okay so you say uh when I think of the word
05:17:48
Andrew Wilsonquality I think of better than right cool so if I said this is a [ __ ] Cup this is a quality cup which which one's
05:17:59
Andrew Wilsonbetter if you were to say one is a garbage cup and one is a quality cup which one do you think is better the quality Cup right so if you say
05:18:09
Andrew Wilsonwomen have trouble finding a quality man MH but men don't have trouble finding a quality woman you can realize where most of us would say ah it sounds like you're
05:18:20
TTS/Donationssaying one of these is better than the other right CDT 5,074 donated $69 women want men who earn more money
05:18:30
TTS/Donationsthan they do now women in the primary dating age bracket out earn men they are illogical they want to hijack the workforce in order to disqualify men as
05:18:42
Brian AtlasMaids women want men who earn more money than they do okay I want to try to bring in the rest of the panel here soon so I'm super super close I'm just saying that if if
05:18:55
Andrew Wilsonwe're looking at what is quality versus what is quantity mhm I think that if the standards are going to be higher for women to men than men to women that doesn't mean that it's
05:19:07
Andrew Wilsonquality that doesn't mean that it's it's it's actually quality that they're looking for right I I
05:19:17
Andrew Wilsonguess I'm just kind of lost a little but I I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out how to frame this so that you'll understand it um subjective preference real quick real quick we have a subjective
05:19:30
Andrew Wilsonpreference right women set the standard right okay if they set the standard higher than men repeat that never mind cuz I'm distracted right now there no problem
05:19:41
Brian Atlashas it been the whole show it has Chad is saying the whole show she's been playing with her microphone and there's been audio issues the whole
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Brian Atlasshow i' I'm gonna add it to the another thing to the pre-show notes but
05:20:05
Brian Atlasum it looks I mean the cable looks pretty loose to me it could be she loosened it cuz she was [ __ ] with it the last B I don't think the
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Production crewwhole on it we just hold this and then I'll craw well we already have multiple microphones on the table do you want just put down and
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Production crewgoing to take this one one down here so which one which mic is that that's four three
05:20:48
Brian Atlasthree okay take let's bring okay all right careful okay uh a few more minutes or yeah just we'll just
05:20:59
Andrew Wilsonquickly wrap it up okay you're just talking about an over standard so you're just saying one has a standard that's higher than the other but I'm not sure that that makes it quality
05:21:09
Andrew WilsonI mean I guess I agree yeah so I mean if that's the case then all you're saying is that men need to raise their standards right yeah so that women have higher
05:21:21
Jolie Elenastandards for men than men have for women women have higher stands standards for men than men have for women yeah but because of that I to the original question I think it's harder for women to
05:21:33
Jolie Elenafind quality men to them because that's what they determine to be quality like through those standards oh yeah so for men it's just you're hot that's that's usually enough of equality right that was my intention of answering the
05:21:45
Jolie Elenaquestion is like women have more standards and there's like reasons behind that and I mean I guess if if we could just agree that um the answer to that would be men raising their standards then I I don't really have an
05:21:57
Brian Atlasissue with it yeah I don't I don't really see a way around that right yeah so okay we can moving on Brian okay um
05:22:08
Brian AtlasI did want to ask just who here considers themsel a feminist anybody honestly can I I don't even know like the real definition of feminist
05:22:21
Selena Imaifeminist not not the feminist feminist not okay um well the definition is like equality between
05:22:31
Selena Imaiwomen and men but like yeah I don't identify as a feminist okay like baby the first equality for
05:22:44
Selena Imaiher because she didn't know the definition of a feminist but I don't identify myself cuz like I think there's a lot of negative stuff associated with the label of a feminist and I don't know in today's day like a lot of people that
05:22:57
Selena Imaiclaim to be feminists don't actually practice the definition of feminism so to me it's like why label yourself how do they not practice the definition of feminism from I mean on the internet I
05:23:08
Selena Imaifeel like a lot of people that claim to be feminists usually um as women they try to be Pro women only but the whole point of feminism was supposed to be
05:23:19
Andrew Wilsonequality between women and men yeah but you if yeah so if you thought that men were above you and you wanted equality what would you be advocating
05:23:30
Andrew Wilsonfor men or women if you thought men were above women and you're trying to equalize it then who would you be advocating for women to make it equ so then a feminist would be advocating for
05:23:42
Selena Imaiwomen right they don't believe we're equal all right yeah that makes sense yeah so then by that standard are you a feminist um sure like I I believe in
05:23:53
Andrew Wilsonequality like equal rights you know yeah and to Advocate on behalf of women because you don't feel like they're equal to men um sure
05:24:06
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyokay feminist um um honestly she needed to tell you no no
05:24:17
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyno I just I need just to think about it for a sec but honestly if it's between equality I don't think that men and women are equal
05:24:25
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywise should they be though no no which way shouldn't they be equal in just in everything I feel like they both have different things like you know woman has certain you know women has the characteristics of being a mother
05:24:39
Andrew Wilsonwhile mean while a man has a character of being a father what about rights should they have equal rights yeah I definitely do believe that so what do you think what do you think that's different you're trying to contradict me what would you think that
05:24:50
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywomen's advocacy would be for that men can have children or equal rights no I'm just saying that they're not equal in that way because a woman a woman could be a mother that's her that's her so
05:25:02
Andrew Wilsonshe's not equal feminist asking for men to have children or no I'm just saying why I think they're not equal yeah I I okay I understand they're not equal in action men can't have children
05:25:13
Andrew Wilsonwe agree on that right yeah yeah but do you think that feminists are advocating that they do no they're advocating that they have equal rights right okay when it goes to equal rights
05:25:25
Andrew Wilsonthen yes okay so then you want to have all the same rights that men have right I feel like that's already what it is sure but that's what you want
05:25:35
Andrew Wilsonright yeah okay and if there was any balance to that you'd want it corrected right so that men and women stayed with their whole equal rights thing right no I feel like if a woman thinks
05:25:48
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythat and feels that she could do what a man can do then she should do it that would still be equal rights that's why yeah yeah so then yeah you're a feminist
05:26:00
Selena Imaino okay yeah how could you not be there's nothing wrong with that just as long as you're not like I mean there's something wrong well I mean there's some people that are
05:26:10
Jolie Elenalike angry and like just very it's just too much just I'm just chill about it like by definition technically but like I like I wouldn't call myself a feminist yeah I don't label myself technically like okay yeah I mean you don't want the
05:26:23
Andrew Wilsonbaggage that comes with the fact that you have an incoherent worldview I understand that but like uh for instance if you really believe in equality how come none of you demand to be drafted that's what I was going to say I was going to say the reason I'm not a
05:26:36
Andrew Wilsonfeminist is because I don't want to go to war well there's like some woman so then do you want to vote no I already said I don't want no no I want the right to have a decision to vote oh how come you think you should have the right to
05:26:47
Andrew Wilsonhave a decision to vote for men or for politicians who can send men to war when you don't have to go to
05:26:58
Selena Imaiwar um how is that the same as going to war well you see men can be drafted and you cannot right well because in politics and with like you know the values of
05:27:10
Selena Imailike the you know Republican liberals all that there's different values and people are going to vote for their values it's not all about War I totally agree people are going to vote for their values it's just weird that men can if you can vote for a politician who can
05:27:22
Andrew Wilsonsend men to war but they can't send you to war how's that fair it's not fair that's why I don't identify as a feminist yeah I get it so why should
05:27:32
Selena Imaiwomen vote because voting doesn't all have to do with war many factors of why I would vote for that affect
05:27:42
Andrew Wilsonwom yeah so let's get into this like but like also could you just
05:27:50
Andrew Wilsonwho who who takes the American population of War you men do men yeah like you're saying the people that get sent to war right I'm sorry females can't be politicians no no I I thought
05:28:02
Selena Imaiwho sends them to war um whoever is in office I guess and who I'm not politically educated yeah but who is that it's men and women right that vote for a certain politician yeah
05:28:14
Selena Imaiyes yeah but who has to fight the war the men yeah but women fight they can volunteer to fight that's why so then they can't be compelled so if we go back to the
05:28:25
Andrew WilsonTraditional Values so the government of the dominant man regardless of they were drafted or not they're still in the War the government can't come to you and say guess what princess you're going to strap on a helmet and go to the front
05:28:37
Andrew Wilsonlines we're going to use you to walk through this mine field so that we can make sure that there's no Minds in this field but also like a great job I don't
05:28:47
Andrew Wilsonagree with take that job cuz I think it's like no unhuman you know like I feel like it's like that's nice you don't agree with War I don't agree with War I don't think it goes anywhere and it's just unnecessary it's nice that you don't agree with war but now let's
05:29:01
Andrew Wilsonassume that there's other countries that don't share your value which there are Who attack your country that you live in mhm whether you agree with war or not you're in a war right right who's going to fight it the men because that's and
05:29:13
Selena Imaiwhy do you get to send men to war I'm not sending them to war are you voting for politicians I haven't voted yet yeah but can women vote for politicians absolutely but men also vote for people
05:29:26
Selena Imaithat go to office that send men to war so it's like the same thing yes but they should be able to because they're the ones who get sent to war but also if we talk about other rights with women like
05:29:37
Andrew Wilsonabortion not to get into that but it's like that is a woman's right so it's like a woman's rights are only secured by how powerful the military is which secure their rights that's it but what
05:29:47
Selena ImaiI'm saying is in the context of voting if there are laws that they you know want the right to an abortion maybe they vote this way versus the other so it's kind of the same thing with the war it's
05:29:57
Andrew Wilsonnot the same let's back up um level of severity but it is kind of so all of women's rights are secured by men soldiers specifically
05:30:08
Andrew Wilsonhere's my example to demonstrate this for you if you have no Army of men to protect you at night if the Chinese said you don't have any rights and just came into the United States they could just take it over right could women do [ __ ]
05:30:21
Andrew Wilsonabout that I mean if they're in the war I say all the men in the United States disappeared tomorrow they were just gone and the Chinese sent all of their men over here
05:30:34
Selena Imaito go to come and take over the United States because women do anything about that yeah of course what could they do they I don't know I mean it depends what they
05:30:43
Selena Imaido like again if it's in the fight the red Chinese Army women no but I'm saying in the context of the war like they could still like you know try like yeah what are they going to do what are they
05:30:57
Andrew Wilsonare they going to throw baked cookies at it like what do you think women are going to do if all the men in the United States things strong women I think that can fight how many strong women do you think are going to repel the red Chinese
05:31:09
Andrew Wilsonwell I'm not saying that yeah so what I'm saying is is that absent the men in society if another society's men wanted to take your Society over and take all of your rights could women actually do
05:31:21
Selena Imaianything to prevent that well I don't know I mean I guess they're not in the war so they're not there's no one to fight for us basically you're saying how would you feel if you
05:31:32
Selena Imaididn't eat breakfast this morning if I didn't eat breakfast um I I didn't need breakfast yeah I thought you didn't all right I had a coffee
05:31:45
Selena Imaiyeah but what was like the wraparound point that you were making if you
05:31:55
Andrew Wilsontake so so you wake up tomorrow all the men in the whole country are gone they disappear they
05:32:05
Andrew Wilsondon't exist they they're out of existence another country sees it and sends all of their men over to take this country over can you tell me what women
05:32:16
Selena Imaicould do about that I mean whatever they want I mean if they have a gun they can shoot or something right if they feel threatened or fight or attempt to fight back right but it's like it at that point
05:32:29
Selena Imaithere's no traditional War because there's no men to fight the war right so do you think that women would lose quickly probably cuz they're not trained to be in war those men wanted to take all of those women's rights away could
05:32:40
Andrew Wilsonthey probably so we need men to fight in the war for us right so if that's the case I'm not denying so then if that's the case I'm not denying I like that's the case should men be able to determine
05:32:50
Selena Imaithe fate of who sends them to war but that doesn't mean that only men should have a right to vote well okay but because again the voting isn't all about the war okay well
05:33:01
Andrew Wilsonthen how about this women can never vote for a politician ever who has any authority over sending people to war which would be all of Congress is that a good
05:33:15
Andrew Wilsoncompromise so you're saying that women wouldn't be able to vote at all NOP I'm saying that they could never vote for the president or Congress or the Senate that's
05:33:26
Selena Imaiit well that's mostly what people vote for I mean there's other things we voted for like you can vote for property you can vote for property taxes and [ __ ] right right but it's like you know I mean that's a big part of it cuz like
05:33:40
Andrew Wilsonthe president and like Congress they run the country and who sends everybody to war the Poli president and Congress right congress makes an act of War
05:33:51
Andrew Wilsonpresident's the commander-in-chief they send everybody to war right right yeah so how is it fair that they can send us to war but not you they can send women
05:34:02
Selena Imaito war if they want they can't why because they're not compelled to be drafted only men are right but it's like I'm not saying that like one day a politician isn't going to make how about
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Andrew Wilsonthis a compromise then what if women had to be drafted would that be fair it would be equal it would be scary though yeah you don't want to be drafted then why do you want to vote I never
05:34:26
Selena Imaisaid I wanted to vote so do you think women should have the right to vote um I think it's hard hard question should no
05:34:37
TTS/Donationsgirl women should be able to vote it's a hard question because guys again like you're only focusing on the war donated $30 that's a pretty major as
05:34:47
TTS/Donationsone W era bricks when we getting a Morgan B video make her wear a baseball
05:34:55
Brian Atlasuniform um what when do we get a Morgan a what a bow video excuse me no that uh make make her wear a baseball uniform
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MJ / Morganwhy they want you to Bow Morgan you down to hit a bow right now sure [ __ ] it right now like stand up stand up into this camera hit a bow what's a bow you got this you
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Brian Atlasgot I'm just kidding like like in like scoot over to your this way a little bit yeah a little
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Brian Atlasmore yeah okay hit it like this B the hands go like yeah the hands go there okay
05:35:43
Brian Atlasgo it that was pretty bad no offense Morgan it was it was the first time though I'm proud of you good good job would have been like that she did good she did good for first first go by
05:35:53
Brian Atlasthe way TTS is uh We've dropped it to 30 guys uh 29.99 technically but 30 will do it what's up Nick the batt video I guess we could do
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Brian Atlasit all right guys here's the bow Andrew needs a Sig he needs to take a little smoke break all right boom huge this is I think this is kind of like what I'm looking for in a
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Selena Imaigirl like the bow you know what does that mean though it's like a sign of respect it's respect it's a sign of respect she's bowing to a man yep she's bowing to a man is he a king is he a
05:36:29
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyking bro look at this Penthouse you know how much [ __ ] this probably is this Korea honestly if a man got me like that then I'll bow to him I'm not look at that look at that nice apartment he's
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Selena Imaiproviding [ __ ] yeah boom the bow one more time let's see it boom boom huge bow look at that look at because he's providing the things
05:36:50
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythat she needs provider I love that I love providers fantastic depth though oh like the quality did like a begrudging like like that you know that little like
05:37:01
Brian Atlasstring guy outside like the C oh yeah Maddie you can move for just while our good friend Andrew Wilson's out
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Brian Atlasthere smoking all right boys chat we're going to ask the chat um oh I know what's everybody's body count mhm damn I should have asked that [ __ ] sooner before everybody [ __ ]
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Selena Imaithat should been the first question God damn well was Zero for that one girl oh wait who who was Zero her oh her but what about joliee we didn't get I don't know I don't know if she was giving me innocent or Not Innocent well cuz her