Cat Fight RAGE QUIT! BIG ANNOUNCEMENT! Andrew Wilson IN STUDIO! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #182
Date: 2024-07-29
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Jolie Elena(guest)
SPEAKER_03Selena Imai(guest)
SPEAKER_04MJ / Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_05Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas (fragments)(host)
SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_12TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_14Andrew Wilson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:23
IntroBrian Atlas opens show, apologizes for late start due to no-shows/flakes.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:02:50
IntroMJ introduces: age 22, UCSB grad (film/media and religious studies double major), Palm Springs, unemployed.
“my name is MJ I'm 22 years old um I am a recent UCSB graduate and I studied film and media and religious studies”
00:03:37
IntroSelena introduces: age 19, from LA, occupation is porn star since January 2024.
“my name is Selena I'm 19 I'm from LA and my occupation is porn star”
00:03:49
IntroCC (Claudia) introduces: age 20, pharmacy tech. Roommate had family emergency.
“hi my name's Claudia I go by CC um I'm 20 years old and my occupation is I'm a pharmacy tech”
00:04:33
IntroJesse Taylor introduces: 26, Clearwater FL/LA, CX Network, TikTok #1 comedy, OnlyFans, music, property, getting married, has a baby.
“hi I'm Jesse Taylor I am from Clearwater Florida born and raised and I live out in Los Angeles um I own property um I manage my property I was fortunate enough to buy my house in cash”
00:06:30
IntroJolie Elena introduces: 19, criminology/justice studies bachelor's (simultaneously earned associate's), content creator @jolieelena on TikTok/Instagram/YouTube.
“hello my name is Jolie Elena I am 19 years old um I just graduated from cesson with my bachelor's in criminology and Justice studies”
00:07:30
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces: host of The Crucible (fastest growing YouTube debate channel), political analyst.
“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing YouTube debate channel”
00:08:02
OtherBig announcement: Brian and Andrew launch debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course. 80+ videos, 6 hours.
“me and Andrew have uh teamed up we've released a course called verbal combat that's available at debate university.com”
02:51:40
ControversyJesse escalates fight: threatens to sue, calls Selena a prostitute, brags about having $100k cash, calls others broke losers. Near-physical confrontation.
“until you have $100,000 in cash I don't want you to talk to me okay bring me $100,000”
03:09:10
ControversyJesse Taylor rage-quits the show after mic mute by viewer Gerald. Andrew says 'give us the rage quit'. Jesse leaves saying 'I think I should go'.
“I think I should just remove myself before I anybody else... I think I should go”
03:10:00
OtherBrian pops champagne after Jesse's rage quit. Thanks Gerald for the mic mute donation. Called it 'scary'. Praised Selena for handling it 'like a trooper'.
“scary um you handle that like a TR good job uh AB Che thank for the gift to 20 memberships”
03:13:46
OtherBrian introduces Morgan as replacement guest mid-show. Morgan is 18, city college, political science.
“welcome we have Morgan joining us Morgan uh do you want to introduce yourself Morgan”
03:14:10
IntroMorgan introduces: 18, city college, political science major.
“okay that's it they know go to the city college and I'm majoring in political”
03:14:40
OtherRatings round begins: Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10, can't pick 7.
“ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of one to 10 can't pick seven”
03:47:20
QuoteJolie presents anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power over men.
“there's scarcity in um there's value in not being sexually promiscuous and and there's so much value that comes from it that you'll be treated much better for it”
04:54:12
QuoteWhatever stats displayed: 181 episodes, 1,381 guest appearances, 80% non-sex-worker vs 20% sex worker/OF.
“181 episodes longest show was number 177 longest show 9 hours... 1,381 guests we've had 168 repeat appearances”
05:37:09
ControversyBody count round. Selena: porn body count ~100 scenes; civilian count unclear (~10 estimated). CC: stated 5 (with ambiguous 'multiply by 3' comment).
“what's everybody's body count... starting with Selena what is uh body count um I don't know my body count but I don't count the porn bodies”
05:46:00
QuoteBrian offers Selena a call to action: commit on the podcast to quit sex work entirely.
“would you consider stopping sex work entirely and making a commitment on the whatever podcast to stop”
06:00:00
OtherAndrew asks Selena to confirm definitionally: men pay her for penetrative sex on camera = prostitution?
“you can confirm that men do pay you to have penetrative sex on camera for the purposes of sexually gratifying other people”
06:30:00
OtherShow end. Brian thanks panel; 'only the DJs (Selena and CC) made it to the end'. Raid to SandTV.
“GG well played to the panel those of you who made it to the goddamn end... W Selena W CeCe”
Topics Discussed
00:00:23
Show open / announcements / debate university promo
Brian opens show with announcements. Apologizes for late start due to no-shows and flakes. Guests introduce themselves. Big announcement: debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course (80+ videos, 6 hours) launched by Brian and Andrew Wilson. Trailer played.
00:02:50
Guest introductions / relationship status round
All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship status round follows — each guest shares current status, longest relationship. MJ discusses 'special connections' vs dating; Selena discusses only-fans/porn work context; Jesse discusses engagement and baby; CC discusses long-term boyfriend since age 14; Jolie discusses views on promiscuity and dating standards.
01:34:40
Traditional relationships / submissiveness debate
Selena discusses wanting traditional dominant-submissive dynamic despite her porn career. Andrew and Brian challenge the contradiction. Selena cannot articulate what she brings to the table. Discussion on what men with traditional values would want from a partner.
01:36:00
Age gap dating debate
Discussion on older men dating younger women. Whether men who date younger women are predatory or simply more attractive. MJ argues circumstantial; Andrew argues generalizations are valid. CC (SPEAKER_05) makes biological clock arguments. Jolie (SPEAKER_02) discusses benefits of dating older men. Panel mostly concedes age gaps are acceptable.
01:53:20
Porn industry / long-term consequences debate
Extended debate on whether Selena's porn career will have long-term consequences for relationships. Andrew argues risk mitigation logic; Selena acknowledges consequences but continues. CC (Jesse/SPEAKER_05) escalates argument with Selena about hypocrisy (OnlyFans vs porn). Family structure arguments; Christian household upbringing; parental acceptance. Andrew offers: 'If you quit now you have a good chance it gets buried.'
02:51:40
Jesse Taylor rage quit / cat fight
Jesse (SPEAKER_05) escalates fight with CC and Selena. Rapid insults about body count, OnlyFans, money, property, intelligence. Near-physical confrontation (~2:21). Jesse gets mic-muted by viewer Gerald (mic mute donation). Jesse rage-quits at ~3:09:10. Brian pops champagne afterward. Panel discusses Jesse's behavior; chat later DMs Brian with alleged sex videos of Jesse.
03:14:40
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10, can't pick 7)
Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7, after Morgan joins). MJ: 8 -> 6. CC/others: 8 -> 6. Selena: 8 (face 6, body 8) -> 3 vs Megan Fox. Jolie: 8 -> 4-5 vs Megan Fox. Morgan: 6.5. Andrew: 4 then 5. Andrew challenges the concept of subjective self-rating without objective comparison. Chat votes Jolie over 38-year-old Megan Fox.
03:14:40
Will women age better debate
Andrew asks if panel will be better looking in 10-20 years. Jolie thinks yes at 29, uncertain at 39. CC thinks she'll peak in her 30s-40s. Selena thinks she could be a milf at 40. Brian argues most 35-40yo women are not as attractive as 19-20yo women; panel concedes.
03:47:20
Promiscuity / body count / sexual standards debate
Jolie presents strong anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power; sleeping around destroys dating market. Debate on whether men caring about body count is insecure. Selena defends not judging body count; says men who care about body count due to comparison anxiety are insecure. Andrew presents evolutionary paternity uncertainty argument for male disgust at promiscuity.
04:00:00
Polygamy / red pill ideology critique
Jolie critiques Fresh & Fit style influencers promoting polygamy. Andrew presents evolutionary argument for why asymmetric polygamy (one man, many women) is more evolutionarily stable than polyandry. Debate on whether normalizing it on platforms is harmful. Jolie agrees with Islamic polygamy context (historical scarcity of men) but disagrees with modern normalization.
04:21:40
Feminist identification / women on easy mode debate
Brian asks if anyone considers themselves feminist. Selena: technically yes but doesn't label herself. Others similar. Andrew: if you believe in equality you can't avoid the feminist label if you think women need advocates. All agree women have it on easy mode for quantity of dating. Jolie argues women have it easier for quantity but harder for quality. Andrew challenges the quality/quantity framing.
04:54:05
Debate university / verbal combat announcement (second plug)
Brian and Andrew re-announce debateuniversity.com Verbal Combat course launch. 80+ videos, 6 hours of content. Monthly Q&A membership group. Brian tipsy from champagne pops during announcement.
04:54:12
Whatever stats review (181 episodes)
Brian displays audience-compiled Whatever Podcast stats: 181 episodes, longest show #177 at 9 hours. 1,381 total guest appearances, 168 repeat appearances, 1,145 unique guests. Top guests: Andrew (36x), Chase (13x), Q (11x), Prio (9x), Shania (9x). Average guest age: 25. Relationship status breakdown: mostly single. Sex worker breakdown: ~80% non-sex worker, ~17% OnlyFans, ~3% professional sex worker.
04:55:00
Women's voting rights / military draft debate
Andrew argues women should not be able to vote for politicians who can send men to war when women cannot be drafted. Selena struggles with the logic. Andrew offers compromise: women can only vote on non-military matters. Selena concedes she hadn't considered voting. Panel discussion on women's rights being secured by male soldiers (force doctrine).
05:01:40
Dad bod vs six pack debate
Brian reacts to tweet claiming women prefer dad bods over six packs. Panel discusses whether the 'dad bod' shown is actually average. Jason Momoa comparison. Brief discussion on body hair, shaving.
05:37:09
Body count reveal round
Brian asks everyone's body count. Selena: civilian ~10 (uncertain); porn scenes ~100 in 7 months; worked with ~4 women and many men (some repeats). Jesse (already left). CC: approximately 5 (said '5, multiply by 3 for the real number'). Morgan/Maddie: 'if you know you know'. Jolie implied zero (virgin). Discussion on porn body count vs civilian body count distinction.
06:00:00
Selena / prostitution definition debate
Andrew asks Selena whether men paying her for penetrative sex on camera is prostitution by definition. Selena disagrees; does not consider herself a prostitute. Andrew walks through the definitional argument. Brian asks Selena to commit on the show to quitting porn; she declines.
Transcript
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00:55:47
Brian Atlasdogs it was very depressing just for one year I mean not to boil this down to like a legal podcast but like if you willingly and maliciously bring a legal
00:55:57
Brian Atlasaction without any Merit and you do so for uh sort of a a frivolous and vexatious reasons they can actually they can then go after you and
00:56:08
Brian Atlasseekne not a good idea they can seek they can seek attorney's fees they can seek uh com uh what's it called May is that isn't that
00:56:18
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydefamation I would be maybe I do small claims a frivolous lawsuit anyways um so I don't think we it's not going to happen I'm just you know this is funny
00:56:28
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyto me you know okay uh relationship s um I have a boyfriend I just had a kid a month ago we've been together for a year and we are planning the wedding but he wants to get married in San Francisco
00:56:40
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycuz that's where he's from I want to get married in Las Vegas and so it's not really he wants like have all his family there and Sue each other and see who
00:56:50
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywins no but I just I rather just have it like very small and intimate like with our child child and you know my family like my intimate family but he wants to invite like wait how long have you been
00:57:01
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydating him a year but I have a child with him how long did you you've known him for a year total no no no I've known him for four years but you only started dating yeah dating him for a year but he you know he was like an acquaintance
00:57:14
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylike I would hang out with him in a group and stuff like that but there was never like a point to like maybe like a year and some months ago where we're like hey like we've never really like hung out alone and then we like wait so
00:57:25
Brian Atlasquestion I mean had you had you guys had hooked up no never okay so no started dating 2 months into the relationship you got pregnant um no two three months
00:57:37
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyeah two like couple months yeah but I told him straight up like I told him it wasn't an accident I said listen I'm looking for a serious relationship I'm 26 years old I was 25 at the time and I
00:57:48
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywas very open and honest and I said I do want to start a family and I already knew him for a while so all the girlfriends that he had prior two three two threee relationships a five-year
00:57:59
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyrelationship and I knew that he was like the type of guy that was not only a good guy but he was holding you know serious relationships and I told him from the
00:58:08
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allystart you know I want to have kids I want to get married this is what I want I want to start my life you know I'm not happy sitting alone in Nashville you know what's wrong with him wanting to
00:58:21
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyget married in front of his family though um what oh well it just there's nothing wrong with it it just I rather just go to Vegas you know he wants to invite every Aunt every cousin
00:58:33
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyevery friend it's his wedding too it's fine yeah I mean it just I and then he wants to get married like in a church and all this stuff that bastard I rather church and family that
00:58:44
Andrew Wilsonson of a [ __ ] man this guy I love him so much I love him to death man he wants to like already yeah I just I feel like
00:58:53
Andrew Wilsond how dare he so out of line wants his aunts and his uncles there rude Aunts Uncles family and a church what is this I just feel like cute though it's cute I
00:59:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyjust feel like Vegas would be more fun and I just I want to get married like with like you know the Elvis impersonator my daughter's name is Priscilla so I mean I'm a big Elvis fan so I just you know I thought it'd be
00:59:17
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyreally cute it's like a reverse UNO card it's like you want to go have a shitty wedding and he wants to have a real wedding I guess I mean I just I feel like it'd be fun to like you know my cousin's like one of my best friends
00:59:28
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylike you know have my cousins out with me in Vegas and but his aunts and uncles that says you know they could come but I mean they're not not invited wait you want to go to Vegas so you can party I
00:59:40
Brian Atlaswould like to party after the wedding with him yeah and your friends reception well my cousins yeah typically after a wedding you have a honeymoon that's typically not spent with can't you go to
00:59:51
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyVegas I don't know I just I love Vegas and I just feel like that would be a fun fun wedding so I know how dare he wanted traditional wedding I know that bastard uh what's the longest relationship
01:00:03
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou've ever had um just with him like a year too far from oh sorry just with him like a year but I was and prior to that so I was alone for one year literally just going to music classes coming back
01:00:15
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyI was actually rescuing dogs wa can you stop banging on the table I was rescuing dogs for like a year basically before that and I was you were a dog mom yeah I had like three dogs to five dogs in my house at a time just like taking care of
01:00:28
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythem and then also going to like music school but it was temporary like I only had three dogs now I only have wait hold on can we arrive at the point here yeah before that I mean for a year I was
01:00:39
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allysingle before that I was really single not really talking to anyone too so I guess like two years really just alone and not even dating anyone just single
01:00:48
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyand the year before that I did try to date somebody um but it didn't work out and he just told me he wasn't like looking for anything serious and then once we broke up he got a girlfriend but
01:01:00
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyhonestly I truly believe everything happens for a reason and I have a beautiful daughter I have a family I was very up all part of the journey man yeah
01:01:10
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybut um I guess yeah I'm really happy with like him and my daughter and my family is like involved now so I no do you have uh some neck tattoos what's that one that's right in the center this
01:01:22
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyone it's an eightball um I just thought it looked cool when I was 22 I don't know like does is there a meaning or no there's like no mean
01:01:35
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythere's another one on the side of your NE yeah um I just so like when I was I have a few but when I was like 2122 I never had tattoos and I met this tattoo
01:01:46
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyartist and he was like if you give me a shout out on Instagram I'll do all your tattoos for free and I was like okay why don't I SP myself up and then I've had
01:01:57
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allytattoo removal over 50 times so yeah wait what expensive wait you you got the tattoos but then you were getting removed them removed them like a few years later like I was like 21 when I
01:02:09
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allystarted I got I started tattoo removal at 23 and I'm still doing tattoo removal till this time all right um relationship status for you I'm single all right
01:02:21
Brian Atlasuh hold on how long have you been single for 18 years all right uh what's the extent of your
01:02:29
Brian Atlasum relationship experience I had one situationship like a month ago and it was it lasted like a month are you uh
01:02:39
Brian Atlasgoing into your freshman year yeah at UCSB yes okay um you said you had one situationship it was a month ago how long did it
01:02:47
Brian Atlaslast um a about a month one month um okay and that's the longest yeah and when you say
01:02:59
Brian Atlassituationship is it like that's the only guy you've ever had anything with yes like first kiss yes first
01:03:08
Brian Atlaskiss more was there more no just kiss mhm a one month kissing situationship okay
01:03:17
Brian Atlasum any dating apps no okay um are you religious at all uh no not really so you are uh you're a virgin then yes are you waiting until
01:03:29
Jolie Elenamarriage no not waiting just waiting for the right guy yeah okay got it all right uh what about you um I am in a
01:03:39
Brian Atlasrelationship how long have you guys been together 4 years and 6 months all right I'm assuming that's your longest relationship yes okay all right cool so
01:03:51
Brian Atlaswe've got everybody's relationship status certainly some interesting answers there uh I did want to come back to you can you try to make sense of your I
01:04:03
Brian Atlasdon't I still don't have any idea what's going
01:04:10
Brian Atlason do you want to ask like a question that could like yeah I okay so um like a special connection have you ever had like a one night stand or anything like
01:04:21
MJ / Morganthat I don't really want to answer those questions you don't want to answer like on camera like in you know in this context isn't
01:04:32
MJ / Morganisn't that within the purview of like dating and relationships though yeah but to be fair I did get recruited off the
01:04:42
Brian Atlasstreet like right so pretty I I didn't really know completely what it entailed I prefer keep you told them
01:04:51
Brian Atlasdating in relationships right okay right okay uh so what what dating and relationships things are you at Liberty to
01:05:07
MJ / Morgandiscuss why don't you tell me what you yeah you tell me what your at Liberty to discuss um I would be open to
01:05:21
MJ / Morgandiscussing I just honestly I would prefer not to put a lot of my personal details out on the table like that but I didn't expect that those
01:05:33
MJ / Morganquestions would be asked like I have never seen this podcast um yeah sure so it was just out of you know being a little naive and uninformed um yeah but
01:05:45
Brian Atlasit is like dating and you don't have to answer that specific question it is just dating and relationship uh relevant uh in any case you said you've dated a guy
01:05:56
Brian AtlasI don't if you consider dating for eight months that's the longest period of time you've seen somebody he asked you to be girlfriend you declined how long how soon into the
01:06:07
MJ / Morganeight months did he ask you this question the will you be my girlfriend question like at the towards the end towards the last two
01:06:20
Brian Atlasmonths okay is that what caused the breakup that he wanted more I guess you could say that
01:06:28
Brian Atlasyeah okay um all right and so what are you looking for right now do you want something more serious or you fine just kind of with
01:06:40
MJ / Morganmore casual stuff I think that right now actually I want to be single and not even have something casual with anyone um just
01:06:52
MJ / Morganbecause I like I mentioned earlier I did just graduate so I'm going through a lot of transformation in my life right now and a lot of things that I want to tend to in my own um mind that kind of nag at
01:07:04
MJ / Morganme and I think that if a relationship were to happen it would be outside of my expecting one so I'm actually I I would
01:07:12
MJ / Morganlike to be single right now at least in this month or so because I'm also moving
01:07:21
TTS/Donationsand oh yo back uncore to uncore the score Roots donated $1,000 pop champagne thank you Brian Andrew and the crew for doing what you
01:07:33
Brian Atlasdo yo thank you bro really appreciate it thank you for uh great YouTube channel by the way thank you man appreciate it thank you for the uh pop for the pop uh here I need a honestly only me
01:07:46
Brian Atlasand Andrew are allowed to drink this show um can you give me a uh can you get me a uh like a hand towel or something I gu
01:07:56
Brian Atlaswhy are the girls not allowed to drink uh well we have people who are not of age and
01:08:04
Brian Atlasum if if I give you a bit of this super pricey champagne maybe the more ju details will you tell me she saw the champ I'm 22 we can share
01:08:17
Brian Atlasokay while I get this [ __ ] thing open what the [ __ ] where's the tab bro oh I found it okay it was tucked uh Andrew you want to take over for a little bit
01:08:26
Andrew Wilsonwell so I'm still hung up on the conditionals of a of what one of these special connections I know it was it was a bit silly but it's because
01:08:40
MJ / Morganum uh a lot of the relationships that I've had with people have been quite complicated and that's it just comes back to actually flaws in my own personality that sometimes are a bit uh
01:08:52
MJ / Morganwhat's the word what's the word word when you kind of like crazy you're crazy son am I crazy no I'm not crazy um like avoidant that's exactly what a crazy
01:09:04
Andrew Wilsonlady would say by the way right I'm not crazy all right all right so so back to so back to the condition I think I get it I think I understand what you're saying you're saying look it's it's complex these different situationships these different types of relationship
01:09:16
MJ / Morgansituationships yeah yeah I was explaining it a little interesting but no yeah like a situationship where it's like I don't really know how to feel about
01:09:27
MJ / Morganit and I also tend to avoid certain things cuz um yeah just my inability to to meet people there
01:09:37
Andrew Wilsonso yeah I hope that kind of provides some clarity yeah I mean kind of but I think I think the reason Brian's trying to get into details and I get I get what you're
01:09:51
Andrew Wilsonsaying you don't want to put your personal life on the table that's fair um but maybe you can kind of walk us through a little bit of the background without doing too many of those hyp specific details and kind of generalities right that way we can
01:10:04
MJ / Morganunderstand better because it's flitty right it sounds flitty like um a bit evasive I feel like I would need a question to
01:10:13
MJ / Morganlike to know what where to go because I have had like um experiences with multiple people but it it's complicated because
01:10:25
MJ / Morganbecause of the circumstances that the relationship starts on so it's like we're about to graduate we're about to move maybe there's someone else in the
01:10:35
MJ / Morganpicture um maybe we're friends maybe we work together and so these things kind of it's like a yeah like a blockage between me and
01:10:47
Andrew Wilsonsomeone else really fully being so last this this last elongated relationship you had well not a relationship cuz it no there was no label right yeah cheers
01:10:58
MJ / MorganM There's No Label he wants the label you say no well that wasn't the last one the last one
01:11:08
MJ / Morganthat I was exclusive with for 4 months that was actually so bad so bad and also he like lived in New
01:11:18
MJ / MorganYork and actually I wanted more so bad it was really he was like quite a bit older than me and I was inexperienced in many ways
01:11:30
MJ / Morganand um I was exposed to a lot of new experiences through him and it put me in a lot of dangerous situations
01:11:40
Andrew Wilsonand and he and he wanted it to be more and I wanted it to be more then I wanted it to be more right and then it didn't so the guy who wanted something to be more with you now [ __ ] that guy the guy
01:11:53
MJ / Morganyou're in dangerous situations with you want more right that's what goes back to like me being a little [ __ ] up too where that's why I prefer to be alone right now because I could see that yeah maybe
01:12:05
MJ / Morganmy perception on what love is is a little [ __ ] up and I should probably work that out before I get into but isn't that pretty common that women gravitate it is really common it is really common no I mean that women
01:12:15
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allygravitate towards men who love bomb they love bomb well is it love bombing or is it they love bomb for you they love bomb for a week buy you this buy you that and then it's like they do it to the next person the next week and then again the
01:12:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allynext week but didn't you didn't you love bomb your ex I loved BB him to before he broke up with me and he wasn't my ex there just some
01:12:39
Andrew Wilsonguy I talked to he's irrelevant some guy that you were living with and sleeping with who definitely wasn't your ex first that was the 2year one oh F mistake yeah
01:12:50
Andrew Wilsonthere yeah no yeah no no wait was that the was that the two-year I thought you said that this last guy 6 months yeah but you did okay no no he came over to your house yeah yeah so he didn't we
01:13:02
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydidn't live together he would we just go back and forth okay but he broke up with you because of your family situation right yeah okay he did tell me it was nothing I did and he cried about it he
01:13:12
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycried to me about it he said I'm not the problem you were definitely the problem I mean definitely the problem no I'm nice trust me I'm like the coolest person [Laughter]
01:13:26
Brian Atlasfeel like you might have been the problem no no that doesn't sound right you didn't do no of course not of course not
01:13:37
Brian Atlasno well we're going to get into some of the uh pre-show notes here so uh let's see who do we start with well actually I I guess I'll come back to you or wait hold on Angel who's
01:13:49
Brian AtlasAngel oh right okay that's that's one of the flakes okay God damn all right my notes out the table actually she does have something I'll pull it up really
01:13:59
Brian Atlasquick Nick could you pull up that photo it's like the girl in the yellow shirt or whatever she was supposed to be on the show today she's flaked I saw this on her Instagram I thought Andrew would
01:14:08
Brian Atlaslike it oh my God Andrew her t-shirt says Jesus loves you oh oh sorry no what
01:14:16
Brian AtlasJesus L porn stars excuse me Andrew uh does I don't I'm not an expert does Jesus yeah love porn stars yeah Jesus loves
01:14:28
Andrew Wilsonloves everybody yeah oh okay yeah sex is natural but um no no no that's now you just now you just went over the threshold you went over the threshold
01:14:38
Andrew Wilsonyes Jesus will still love you but that doesn't mean you should be a porn star right that's not um it's not within the purview of Christian ethics so yeah
01:14:50
Brian Atlasno it would still be a big no on that yeah yeah yeah anyways I just thought I'd bring it up I actually will'll do her notes really quick cuz [ __ ] it uh she said she's had a couple boyfriends
01:15:01
Brian Atlassteal money from her one stole 2,000 the other stole 20,000 Honestly though I think she deserves it because she flaked on us so she deserved it you can't say anything because it's Petty and
01:15:13
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyvindictive and you like that [ __ ] yeah that's right she deserved it totally she inconvenienced us if you guys feel like that you guys feel like
01:15:22
Brian Atlasthat she inconvenienced us I think it's Justified uh this is a post talk justification the thefts are Justified
01:15:32
Brian Atlasbecause even though that happened in the past she inconvenienced us so anyways um she also says I don't know I'm curious how much [ __ ] he gets I don't know if this is to Andrew or to me this is one
01:15:45
Brian Atlasof her notes she's curious of how much [ __ ] we get um unfortunately she's not here but it's not clear to me even if me and Andrew were both gigachad virgin
01:15:55
Brian Atlashow would that diminish any of the things that we say or the arguments or the positions that we have um in any
01:16:05
Brian Atlascase it's a good question thank you Angel for uh not being here so uh going to Cece C CeCe that's you okay uh you said you caught your ex picking up a
01:16:18
Brian Atlashooker oh my gosh oh what the [ __ ] sorry sorry did not sure why not sure why that came up my elbow bump it
01:16:28
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally[Laughter] yeah okay go ahead I hate Andrew T because his name's Andrew the one that picked up my name's Andrew his name is Andrew wait I didn't mean to say that
01:16:41
Brian Atlasout loud but yeah that's his name tle him uh so your ex you caught your ex picking up a hooker yes you want me to tell you the story yeah us the story so
01:16:52
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybasically one night we were home we we always we used to fight the time um he left the house one night he he has two phones and iPhone like two trap phones whatever he left one home and then I turned his location on on the phone he left home he was going to the bank from
01:17:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythe bank he went I don't know if you guys ever been to Arizona but there's Bethany Home Road in 27th a it's like fig thank you for sharing the exact street corner that this it's like Figaroa it's where the prostitutes are
01:17:16
Brian Atlasyes the hookers like multiple hook like loads of them loads loads like he left the load for them you know anyways if you know what I mean you know what I mean are you talking about ejaculate
01:17:28
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyshe's talking about that talking yes yes so when I pulled are you talking about ejacalate yeah just checking okay yeah so when I pulled up to him so I told my best friend to drive me to his location he didn't know I was going so I saw his truck there and there was like like you
01:17:41
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyknow a couple hookers surrounding surrounding his car and then I swung I like kind of like this is his car and I parked right in front of it so he couldn't like leave so I like yanked his like door open and then he had cash in his lap and you know how like when you
01:17:54
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyknow you do the dirty in the car the car smells you know like the dirty like after I don't know if you guys been that but I mean if like you premature ejculate it's not that bad yeah no but
01:18:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylike he had somebody in the car like if it's quick you know like you're not going to like build up a sweat so okay I don't know keep going story so stank
01:18:15
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyeah it's it's stank like you know whatever bedy but um yeah he basically so he was already on round two probably going to be maybe round three four I don't know bigh had a lot of cash prostitutes do that they do round two no
01:18:28
Brian Atlashe just got to go to like five different prut right like he said or she said they're they charge by the hours so I guess if you like you like you try to come quick like some charge by the hours some charge by like what you do like is
01:18:40
Brian Atlasthere buy the nut what's the nut I don't know I'd love to ask him how much he charged him but cuz like what if they buy an hour but like the guy's like super quick does he still get the hour like can he
01:18:51
Brian Atlasmake her like wash his car or some [ __ ] I don't know I wonder oh my god do you think you could like if if you're like trying to get a prostitute you like you don't actually want her to have sex with you you just
01:19:02
Brian Atlaspay her this her rate to like like wash your car or some [ __ ] you think she'd do it yeah I think she would I think she would no I'm pretty sure she car wash huh go to a car wash not going do real
01:19:14
Andrew Wilsonwork come on you don't think so I know I'm just curious there there's tons of people have gone out and tested that videos all over YouTube of them going they say no yeah they say no you know what we should do Andrew we should go I'm definitely not doing whatever it is
01:19:27
Brian Atlasyou're about to suggest hear me out whatever it is he this out okay we go but like we we challenge them to like a game of chess and we'll pay them their rate but we just like play chess with them and if they're not smart enough we'll do we'll bring Checkers but what
01:19:40
Andrew Wilsonif one of them beats me my ego could never recover from that they you sue what if she's like a under Sue [ __ ] her ELO what is it the ELO rating or
01:19:52
Andrew Wilsonwhatever so hang on your big plan is to go play chess with hookers sounds great what do you you don't like it I'm not sure a couple is
01:20:02
Brian Atlasit figuro Andrew are pretty hey Andrews are pretty good with hookers so go for it what's the street in Santa Barbara no we're really good with chess there's haly Street Haley Street has
01:20:14
MJ / Morganhookers there's hookers in Santa Barbara yeah yeah I think so yeah at the did you used to work the by the STP Club I know you see but one of my
01:20:26
MJ / Morganfriends uh she was a h no no no her ex-boyfriend like uh cheated on her um with hookers at the this massage this Chinese massage place why you got to the
01:20:38
MJ / MorganChinese under the like infamously known for massage plac giving massages ending Happy Endings exactly I went one time to a place for a legit massage but then they tried to like do more I'm like H
01:20:51
Brian Atlasget your hands away from me no I was legit trying to get massage I didn't know it was like mean yeah right may I ask something where do you guys find these people that cheat on you
01:21:03
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywith hookers oh um I found my man or my ex on um he was his mom was best friends with my aunt since before me and him were born so they set us
01:21:13
Jolie Elenaup oh okay cuz I've never like not even in my circle do I know someone that's been cheated on or has slept with a hooker like I think that's something so specific like well it's cuz he's a sex addict H thank you man wait so did you
01:21:26
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyfinish the story though so you you confronted him right yeah did you tell us that part or no so yeah I did confront him so I when I opened the car door I was like what the hell are you doing he was like he honestly was in shock and he was like oh like let's go home talk about it like completely
01:21:39
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allymanipulated the situation so I got in the car we went home and then as soon as we got home he started like cussing me out like he ripped the phone out of my hand you know he was like you know like why like why are you going through my phone you're crazy D like how'd you find
01:21:51
Brian Atlaswhere I was and you know one thing led to another and stuff like that what do you mean what do you mean one thing led to another just you know boys you you were kind of gesturing like you did like
01:22:01
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allya a that yeah did you [ __ ] him up no other way around you did you smack him around no the other way around like instead of me hit me yeah he hit you yeah after you [ __ ] a prostitute yeah
01:22:14
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydamn that's heavy and he he almost pushed me down my stairs and how long did you stay with him after that I left the week after I just couldn't I just couldn't come back here because I didn't have my own car so I had to wait to get paid so I can come you you should have
01:22:24
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allygone [ __ ] a prostitute that's what you should have done I don't know I just know he needs to get like tested or something cuz I don't know bro was weird are there male prostitutes yes yes I
01:22:35
Brian Atlaswould just B his Instagram like but do girls need like can't girls get dick any time it's probably like uh like gay guys who are prostitute no but I mean like straight male prostitutes that [ __ ]
01:22:47
Brian Atlaschicks oh yeah is that a thing I have no idea where a thing attractive woman probably like the magic show yes even unattractive women can get dick pretty
01:22:57
Jolie Elenaeasy I don't know maybe just a really women have getting sex on on easy mode I mean there's sugar mamas so that's a thing it's rare though find me a I'll I'll take a sugar mama
01:23:11
Andrew Wilsonwhere's the sugar mamas I feel like you want to be my sugar mama no no I I charge I'm keeping all the money I'm keeping it all for my allowance is really your degeneracy tonight is level
01:23:21
Brian Atlas10 10 DJ bro took two shots swear to god dude I'm a lightweight I don't drink I'm already you don't hear me slurrying my words okay anyway in truth there or in wine there is truth
01:23:33
Brian AtlasBrian Andrew I'm just having it's a little banter it's just a little banter you want to be my sugar mama I'm a little it's a little ban bring Brian some more champagne
01:23:44
Production crewshe's what and what what does that have to do with you want a 19-year-old Sugar Mama yeah she you're doing well yeah I ain't giving you the money it ain't for
01:23:55
Brian Atlasyou wait but so I'm just curious what what's the objection is it just cuz like you she's 19 so she doesn't have money is that the objection or she's too young
01:24:06
Andrew Wilsonfor me specifically yeah like how old are you 35 yeah she's like pretty young what oh wait just to be clear I mean but but
01:24:18
Andrew Wilsonwhat if somebody was paying her to sleep with him would you have an objection to that like private I I didn't say anything about each their
01:24:29
Andrew Wilsonown but I'm but I'm bringing it up because I want to know would you object to the chick who does corn next to you
01:24:38
Andrew Wilsonif she was getting paid to sleep with a 35-year-old versus datam um I think
01:24:53
Andrew Wilsonthat I think that that's a moral dilemma I it well yeah that's why I'm asking the question it's a moral dilemma yeah in order to be consistent you either have to say yes in both cases or no in both
01:25:05
MJ / Morgancases right well that's fair I think that it's a moral dilemma and I think that in certain ways decide on this moral
01:25:15
MJ / Morgandilemma I would probably say that to each their own but maybe I don't think that it's right either way so you object to both lowkey yeah High
01:25:27
MJ / Morgankey yeah but not not necessarily like I think I I object I object to both low key I object to both but at the same
01:25:37
MJ / Morgantime I object to both but at the same time I don't object to both because I believe in Free Will and that people are free to do as they please and I actually
01:25:46
MJ / Morganwon't judge someone for doing that and maybe more likely if it's a 35y old man well hold on hold on just to be clear so I said nothing about sex at all simply
01:25:58
Brian Atlassugar daddy so she would just pay me money and she would get nothing in return essentially that's what women do in any case um so you have an issue is
01:26:09
Brian Atlasthat a moral dilemma what does that mean no she wants to give him money that's cool but you said people have free will and they can do what they
01:26:19
Brian Atlaswant but not let's say she wanted to date a 35-year-old doesn't even have to be me could be somebody else right if she wanted to date 35-year-old would you object to her
01:26:31
Selena Imaiwanting to date the 35-year-old or to the 35-year-old wanting to date her to the 35-year-old wanting to date her okay it gives you the ick doesn't it no because it just shows their
01:26:43
Selena Imaimaturity is low like why would you want to date a teenager at 35 that makes no sense like you mean an
01:26:51
MJ / Morganadult um I think that I say the latter because a 35-year-old man has more experience than a 19-year-old girl
01:27:01
MJ / Morgan35-year-old man huh so does a 25-year-old man right but like 10 more than 10 years is like quite a bit have
01:27:11
Andrew Wilsonyou ever dated a man who you had a 10year gap with have you see I've noticed I want to tell you this trend that I've noticed right I used to think
01:27:21
Andrew Wilsonthat all of the women who said I have zero moral argument to this whatsoever and people should be allowed to do what they want but I just think it's icky I used to think that they were just dumb
01:27:32
Andrew Wilsonand I'd be like you got to just be dumb to believe that because you have no moral argument against it at all so why do you believe but then I figured this out after talking to so many of them all of the ones who go I gives me the ick
01:27:46
MJ / Morganthey've all been in an ageg Gap relationship wait did I say it gave me the I say yeah you did kind of say it gave you the ick that what other objection could you have no it's not that it gives me the ick it's that I think that there's a gap in
01:27:58
Andrew Wilsonknowledge and experience there's a gap in knowledge and experience with people your own age you can date somebody your own age exactly your age and they could be 10 times more sophisticated than you
01:28:08
MJ / Morganand dumber than the 35-year-old down the street right but in that situation it puts young girls at risk to be put in really negative life altering situations
01:28:19
MJ / Morganreally that as a man you put that younger woman in that position what what position would this be um a position that maybe she was too
01:28:31
MJ / Morgannaive to know she was getting herself into yeah but she could be in that position no matter what right but especially more why is age the factor
01:28:41
Andrew Wilsonbecause of experience okay in the UK there's a a department of uh of Statistics they took all of the Rel
01:28:54
Andrew Wilsonrelationships ever all of the marriages on record ever that they have they wanted to see if the age Gap relationships failed as much as the similar age
01:29:05
Andrew Wilsonrelationships they don't they don't fail at any higher rate they said there's no statistical anomaly between the two how could that be if the sophistication is
01:29:16
Andrew Wilsonsuch that these men who are older and they were time 20 years in some of these gaps can you explain why it is that those relationships wouldn't fail us any more than similar age
01:29:33
MJ / Morganrelationships so I don't want you to misinterpret me here because I'm not anti- AG Gap relationships but I'm just saying that it puts you more in it puts I think especially in America
01:29:45
MJ / Morganspecifically it's different because of the culture and it puts younger women at more of a risk to be in situations that that might leave them the
01:29:56
Andrew Wilsonrisk part I don't get I don't understand why would it be a higher risk than dating somebody who's going and getting hookers at 22 right why why what is the what is this risk issue may I ask a
01:30:09
MJ / Morganquestion it's because the certain Sor it's this certain type of man who is 35 and has a relationship with a 19-year-old girl who clearly has no
01:30:17
MJ / Morganagency by the way it's um no definitely women do have agency but especially young women they have agency but their
01:30:27
MJ / Morganlack of knowledge translates into a lack of wisdom and often those women are a bit more naive because of like I said their lack of experience also as a
01:30:37
MJ / Morgan35-year-old man when you can't obtain a relationship within your age dating pool and you go for someone who's younger maybe based on
01:30:49
MJ / Morganattractiveness or maybe you guys do have certain things that are that similarities at the same time May you're less I find that 30 men
01:31:03
MJ / Morganwho are older who go for women who are younger are less likely to actually be able to sustain a relationship with women in their age age group and I think that that goes for a certain level of
01:31:15
MJ / Morganmanipulation but that's not always the case cuz I'm I don't believe initial point I just want to make sure that I heard you correctly right you have no objection to an age Gap
01:31:26
MJ / Morganrelationship no I'm not I'm not I'm there's nuances but I'm not objecting I've been in an age capap relationship knew it knew it knew it hang on hang on
01:31:36
Andrew Wilsonso I was right but that's why you were in an age Gap relationship so why say so you're projecting you're projecting right no I'm speaking from my was a good or a bad experience bad experience right
01:31:48
Andrew Wilsongo ahead no it was a good experience until it was a bad experience right so it was a bad experience I I have so many questions every single time by the way I just want to point this out that I did
01:31:59
Brian Atlascall that right yeah but I'm speaking from experience I'm sure you are goad hey can you guys be quiet back there guys we're in the middle of a
01:32:11
Brian Atlasshow okay so I'm a little you said you had an age Gap relationship yeah what was the Gap it was over 10 years it wasn't over 10
01:32:22
MJ / Morganyears tell us the Gap just how was the G it was 9 years okay how old were you how old was the guy I was 21 and the guy was
01:32:31
Brian Atlas29 and then I turned he turned 30 and I turned 22 shortly after okay
01:32:39
Brian Atlasso um you said that man slit my mind okay um So based on this negative experience right that you had with this
01:32:50
MJ / Morganguy you're not in any way projecting that other people don't have similar experiences to that in an age Gap relationship no I think that age like I think that those relationships could
01:33:02
MJ / Morganwork and this was actually the relationship that the ex the exclusive relationship I was in for 4 months at the beginning of this year that I wanted to work but I just found so you wanted
01:33:13
MJ / Morganthere to be more right and he said what did he say again no he didn't say no it just I it's complicated how does he know not say
01:33:25
MJ / Morganno because he kept trying to contact me but I didn't let it continue further I I initially wanted it to be more until
01:33:36
Andrew Wilsonthings went South and then I cut it off okay so in this age Gap relationship where you wanted there to be more mhm why did you want there to be more because he was really cool mhm it
01:33:49
Andrew Wilsonwas that because he had more experience and was more sophisticated and had more money and all that yeah and he was really cool he did and you had agency to to choose for that and
01:34:00
Andrew Wilsonyou wanted more out of it right right but I was naive I don't understand though he sounds like he was hyper Predator he's praying on a poor helpless
01:34:09
Andrew Wilson21 22-year-old girl she just the The Experience Gap was so wide right she he was he was a super Predator right no he wasn't predatory at all he wasn't he
01:34:20
Andrew Wilsonwasn't predatory at all right so this is this is my whole point so when you when you kind of bring it up and you frame it oh these guys they can't get anybody in their own age bracket this guy couldn't
01:34:30
MJ / Morganget anybody in his own age bracket really well maybe he wanted to but uh I guess he didn't have luck doing that or he just found a younger chick he thought was more attractive for him I actually I
01:34:42
Brian AtlasI wanted to come in on the whole so you you made an argument about how men who are older who date younger women they do it one of the reasons they do it is because they're incapable of getting women their own age I have a bit of a
01:34:54
Brian Atlascounter to this I actually think a man who's attractive enough at 35 to date a 19-year-old is probably he's so attractive that he's
01:35:04
Brian Atlasable to uh from just being able to date a 19-year-old that the women in his age range are probably more attracted to him than to men that are incapable of
01:35:15
Brian Atlassecuring uh romantic or sexual interest from 19 20 21 year old women cuz typically for a guy who's in his 30s to date like a 20
01:35:26
Brian Atlas21-year-old he has to be really attractive to pull that off most men who are 35 40 they're not attractive enough to pull off dating a
01:35:39
Brian Atlas21y old so actually this whole argument of they they're incapable of securing relationships from women in their whole age range therefore they go for younger
01:35:48
MJ / Morganmore attractive more desirable women I think kind of Falls flat on its face I think it's very circumstantial to not generalize and then also it's kind of this thing where the roles are reversed
01:36:00
MJ / Morganright where when a girl is Young she kind of has a larger dating pool and then as a man ages and gets more agency and money and maybe gets his priorities
01:36:11
MJ / Morganin check um the rules kind of revers where now his dating pool is kind of expands and as women age maybe they don't have the same dating pool as when
01:36:23
MJ / Morganthey were young and maybe that's another reason why men date younger but just kind of contradicted yourself no but it's because there's new there's a gray area you know but younger women have an
01:36:33
Andrew Wilsonexpansive dating pool and then when men get older they have an expansive dating pool if the younger women's expansive dating pool would exclude all 35 40y old men's because there's are the whitest at
01:36:45
MJ / Morganthat point why wouldn't they go for them in their own age mhm no you you bring up a a really good point I did contradict myself but at the same time I just want to end by saying that it's always circumstantial and it's hard to
01:36:57
MJ / Morgangeneralize so I take back my generalization easy to generalize it's it's not productive to generalize I think it is I think it's productive to make General statements like there's a
01:37:08
Andrew Wilsonbunch of palm trees outside that's a pretty general statement I didn't tell you how many but you can agree that there's definitely a bunch of them out there right can I add something I would
01:37:19
MJ / Morgansay h let us finish the exchange I I think that it is even important
01:37:32
MJ / Morganto not generalize how important or how productive it can be to generalize sometimes it is sometimes it's not that's why I'm saying like you can't make a generalization about everything
01:37:42
Andrew Wilsonbecause context matters circumstances matters personal experiences matter with you in principle that you can't generalize everything but you can generalize a lot of things with a pretty good degree of accuracy you live most of
01:37:55
Andrew Wilsonyour life through generalization true but when it comes to conversations about men and women MH there's a lot Lost in Translation when there's generalization immediately you are generalizing because
01:38:05
Andrew Wilsonyou say men and women this is both of those are just general statements right we're not having a conversation about a specific woman a specific man but men
01:38:15
MJ / Morganand women so aren't you generalizing yeah got me there it's it's in terms about the conversations that you have within the
01:38:28
MJ / Morganwithin the niche you have to see this gray area or else um a lot is lost you don't see you get further from the truth the more yeah you get further from the truth the more that you generalize
01:38:39
Andrew Wilsongenerally it was that is that hang on was was that statement you get closer to the truth you get further or further from the truth the more you generalize did that come from one of your these um
01:38:51
Andrew Wilsonspecial connections did they teach you that the truth now [ __ ] off did they no no no
01:39:01
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyno I don't know okay you something I want to 100% agree with what Brian said um and especially when you get to be my
01:39:10
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyage I'm 26 I'm the oldest one here right now when I had a motherly Instinct at 23 that okay I want to find somebody like that's when I really started to feel like that I want to find somebody that
01:39:23
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycan settle down with and even with my relationship I was you know very upfront of what I wanted and as a woman that gets you know it's to and not all wom but for me it was very important to me
01:39:34
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyto find you know somebody to build a family with and a boyfriend before I'm 30 because once you turn 30 as a woman your dating pool you know gets really small cuz guys do want younger girls
01:39:46
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythat is the truth especially if they have money and stuff and guys I feel like they can you know depending on the guy nobody really a guy can basically you know they can have kids as long as they want especially the kid situation
01:39:59
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywhere you know as women get into her 30s they have to do IVF where men can keep having kids basically as long as they want so I feel like they can have natural bursts but you're going to have a lot less of them lot less yeah and
01:40:10
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylike my dad um he had kids with a woman that was significantly younger and he's in his 50s and the kid actually came out how much younger um I think 17 18 years
01:40:21
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyand um I don't agree with it cuz I don't personally like her as a person but the kid came out actually wa wait does that mean you don't agree with the age Gap or you just don't like her I don't like her
01:40:32
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyeah but um their kid came out disabled so which is because of how old she was um how old he was he was like in his 50s and how old was she she was um I believe
01:40:43
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally32 or 33 well why would you put in on him I don't know maybe it could be both I'm not sure but I know that you know I'm not I don't know their situation
01:40:55
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylike that but I do feel like you know women personally me my um opinion is woman should think about hang hang on hang on hang on so you got to stop you got to stop why do you keep saying woman in Li
01:41:07
Andrew Wilsonof women women I think should yeah but why do you think women do that why do they say woman instead of women I don't know
01:41:17
Andrew Wilsonthat's my bad but I me is it is am I being super pedantic but every time I have a conversation with modern women
01:41:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythey say woman has the plural version of women good point why why why I don't know I I I didn't even think twice when
01:41:37
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyI said that yeah yeah you said it seven times I didn't I honestly didn't even think about that perspective yeah but um I think you know to me what was important was starting a family and
01:41:51
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyfinding somebody that I want spend the rest of my life with and you know not many women are like that but you know when you get older the dating pools of
01:42:00
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywomen get smaller that's just my opinion but not everyone has to agree with it okay may I add on opinion to the
01:42:10
Jolie Elenatopic may I add my opinion onto the topic of the AG Gap um so I would argue that there's actually a lot of benefits to dating older because typically men
01:42:21
Jolie Elenamature more when they're older I'm not sure like someone can fact check this men are five to six is that true like years behind in the maturity no no okay
01:42:32
Andrew Wilsonthen never mind don't use that but it's it's commonly accepted that used to be so this is due to nourishment a lot of this goes down to nourishment science so
01:42:45
Andrew Wilsonit used to be that people didn't get as good of nourishment as they do now right food was a little scarcer this type of thing people were shorter uh qes were lower that happens a lot of that is directly correlated with how
01:42:57
Andrew Wilsonwell-nourished you are when when you're growing so used to be that women would get a lot of the lon share of the food they mature a lot quicker so that's kind of where that stereotype comes
01:43:08
Jolie Elenafrom um what did you want to add more yeah yeah uh so I would saying I would argue that there's a lot of um benefits to dating older because I find that a
01:43:20
Jolie Elenalot of men when they're young they're not established in their career and a lot of women go spend their youth which is when they have the most dating value so they spend their
01:43:32
Jolie Elenayouth dating a man who has no money provides no value to their life no marriage um nothing literally and they're sleeping with them and they get
01:43:42
Jolie Elenabroken up with when the man finally establishes career and feels secure finds confidence in himself and wants um to kind of upgrade his girlfriend starts
01:43:53
Jolie Elenalooking starts expanding his dating pool and then the woman just wastes her Youth and and then they're left with nothing
01:44:04
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybringing value to their life so I I could argue that some girls can all I you know obviously we're all females but I can argue that some girls as well like they'll be the ones that will use the guys for the money and then they'll come
01:44:16
Andrew Wilsonsuccessful and the guys just left with nothing um that you mean gold diggers yeah but like relationship wise yeah but you're talking about specifically
01:44:27
Jolie Elenareferencing gold diggers there right yeah the man has to have money for the woman well typic like you know if he doesn't have money to take advantage of there's nothing there so I'm talking about like in young relationships
01:44:39
Jolie Elenathere's it's not likely for a woman to like use the man and leave him with no money when he hasn't even established a career yet to be taken advantage of like that yeah women don't usually date
01:44:50
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydown can I add something I was uh financially very established when I met my boyfriend like when we started dating and um but what about potential
01:45:01
Andrew Wilsonpotential yeah so there's two there's kind of two theories behind this right and I think that they're both interconnected Theory one is uh they're going after men who have higher resources this is kind of biologically
01:45:13
Andrew Wilsoningrained in women makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint let's say the second is they also go after earning potential meaning right now maybe you're not making a lot but I can tell based on
01:45:25
Jolie Elenapersonality this that that you definitely will be yes like a man that has Ambitions not just Ambitions but the potential to fulfill ambition and like certain character traits that go along with successful
01:45:38
Jolie Elenapeople would like to speak from my experience I've been dating the person I'm with since I was 14 years old and I definitely see a lot of potential in him because he is constantly working he's investing he hasn't made it yet but I do
01:45:50
Jolie Elenabelieve he has extreme potential because he has discipline um and he's an outlier to the majority of the young men population
01:46:01
Andrew Wilsonexactly yeah I I that's great yeah yeah I do like that I mean so you might have been in other words you might have been established and had money like he had this settlement right successful
01:46:12
Andrew Wilsonchannels this kind of thing but wanted a family but are you saying that he doesn't have the potential he 100% does no he I think he definitely does then you're kind of proving the kind of
01:46:25
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyproving the point he definitely he's a lot more accomplished than me in many areas he you know I'm pursuing music he's already gold um and there's he's signed to a
01:46:37
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyrecord I'm not signed to a record so you're marrying up um essentially we we both balance each other out I might be you know doing better with you know the properties that I own the property I own
01:46:49
Andrew Wilsonor he might be doing better than me in music but I feel okay hang on yeah because you're kind of evasive here a little bit so let's just see if we can
01:46:58
Andrew Wilsonnarrow this does he make more money than you do no no is he going to um yes
01:47:08
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythat's it then yeah pretty simple right so you're still dating up mhm yeah I just I really loved him so I didn't care about M everybody always
01:47:20
Brian Atlassays that but then when you get into the nitty-gritty well once you have a family you have to you know everything changes you know so before we move on to a new topic did anybody else have any other
01:47:30
Brian Atlasfurther objections or arguments when it comes to the uh age Gap
01:47:37
Brian Atlasstuff so are you conceding the point on this that age gaps are perfectly acceptable is that your position yes are you yeah oh okay well
01:47:49
Brian Atlasdone Andrew uh all right moving on to Selena [Laughter] uh uh Selena I noticed in one of your profiles it looked like you had some
01:47:59
Selena ImaiArabic writing are you do you speak Arabic or no so actually I really wanted to learn Arabic but it was too hard so oh no I can teach you really I I really
01:48:11
Selena Imaiwanted to like learn other languages because when I grew up I um I was always in language class but I'm like really bad at learning languages so when I got old I really wanted to learn Arabic but
01:48:25
Brian Atlasfrom what my understanding it's just very hard and so I kind of just gave up uh you said that you if I recall from the pre-show notes you said that you personally like traditional dating do
01:48:37
Selena Imaiyou consider yourself traditional um as far as my work no but it's like um in my personal life yes like I like traditional like roles you
01:48:49
Selena Imaiknow with a man what what does that look like for me it's just like a that's dominant that will approach me um that has something that um that maybe I don't
01:48:59
Selena Imaihave like I don't know like that can bring like me happiness and like it's just for me I feel like I do better in relationships where the man is the
01:49:09
Selena Imaidominant one like you know even simple things like planning a date instead of you know leaving it up to me you know what I mean like I just like that dominant role in being the submissive one in a relationship so then other than
01:49:22
Andrew Wilsonnaming of thing which is reciprocal what I mean by reciprocal is if I ask you this question what do you bring to the table then that you would want this from
01:49:32
Andrew Wilsona man without naming a trait which is going to be reciprocal meaning he's bringing the same thing what a value are you going to be bringing to this
01:49:43
Selena Imairelationship I feel like that's subjective only because subjective sure well the man would decide that so it's like if he doesn't think I'm good enough to date him no this case I'm asking you what you
01:49:54
Andrew Wilsonthink I assume that he's going to that this potential guy is going to come up with all sorts of different metrics for whatever those are but M you
01:50:04
TTS/Donationsspecifically from your perception what would you be bringing ules the Pagan donated $200 part of the feminist indoctrination they put a chips in gen Z and Alpha's
01:50:16
TTS/Donationshead overriding their cerebral cortex making them say woman as the plural form motives only known by and yeah that's definitely about me I
01:50:27
Andrew Wilsondon't get it what does that mean thank you pag well he's saying that when Gen Z women are born the doctor puts a microchip in their brain which causes a
01:50:38
Andrew Wilsonshort circuit along their cerebral cortex so when they say woman as a plural form of women that's why it TR
01:50:48
Andrew Wilsoncomment okay wait you don't believe that no that's because he's trolling no I know you you didn't know you can't play it off now you messed it all up you
01:51:00
Andrew Wilsoncan't play it all you were so close so close so close anyway so so back to this question um yeah what would you be bringing to the table do you think that
01:51:12
Selena Imaithat is non-reciprocal so like if a man sees me on the street or something like what would what would be the traits that he would see that would draw him in no know
01:51:22
Andrew Wilsonwhat would you be bringing to the table that he wouldn't be bringing to the
01:51:30
Selena Imaitable in the context of what like I'm the of a relationship like as far as like the maturity anything
01:51:41
Brian Atlasum I mean I don't know it's just like I'm trying to like trying to be like open without thinking about like too like narrow-minded like you know what I mean can you restate back to us the multiple traits that you listed out that