Cat Fight RAGE QUIT! BIG ANNOUNCEMENT! Andrew Wilson IN STUDIO! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #182
Date: 2024-07-29
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Jolie Elena(guest)
SPEAKER_03Selena Imai(guest)
SPEAKER_04MJ / Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_05Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas (fragments)(host)
SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_12TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_14Andrew Wilson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:23
IntroBrian Atlas opens show, apologizes for late start due to no-shows/flakes.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:02:50
IntroMJ introduces: age 22, UCSB grad (film/media and religious studies double major), Palm Springs, unemployed.
“my name is MJ I'm 22 years old um I am a recent UCSB graduate and I studied film and media and religious studies”
00:03:37
IntroSelena introduces: age 19, from LA, occupation is porn star since January 2024.
“my name is Selena I'm 19 I'm from LA and my occupation is porn star”
00:03:49
IntroCC (Claudia) introduces: age 20, pharmacy tech. Roommate had family emergency.
“hi my name's Claudia I go by CC um I'm 20 years old and my occupation is I'm a pharmacy tech”
00:04:33
IntroJesse Taylor introduces: 26, Clearwater FL/LA, CX Network, TikTok #1 comedy, OnlyFans, music, property, getting married, has a baby.
“hi I'm Jesse Taylor I am from Clearwater Florida born and raised and I live out in Los Angeles um I own property um I manage my property I was fortunate enough to buy my house in cash”
00:06:30
IntroJolie Elena introduces: 19, criminology/justice studies bachelor's (simultaneously earned associate's), content creator @jolieelena on TikTok/Instagram/YouTube.
“hello my name is Jolie Elena I am 19 years old um I just graduated from cesson with my bachelor's in criminology and Justice studies”
00:07:30
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces: host of The Crucible (fastest growing YouTube debate channel), political analyst.
“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing YouTube debate channel”
00:08:02
OtherBig announcement: Brian and Andrew launch debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course. 80+ videos, 6 hours.
“me and Andrew have uh teamed up we've released a course called verbal combat that's available at debate university.com”
02:51:40
ControversyJesse escalates fight: threatens to sue, calls Selena a prostitute, brags about having $100k cash, calls others broke losers. Near-physical confrontation.
“until you have $100,000 in cash I don't want you to talk to me okay bring me $100,000”
03:09:10
ControversyJesse Taylor rage-quits the show after mic mute by viewer Gerald. Andrew says 'give us the rage quit'. Jesse leaves saying 'I think I should go'.
“I think I should just remove myself before I anybody else... I think I should go”
03:10:00
OtherBrian pops champagne after Jesse's rage quit. Thanks Gerald for the mic mute donation. Called it 'scary'. Praised Selena for handling it 'like a trooper'.
“scary um you handle that like a TR good job uh AB Che thank for the gift to 20 memberships”
03:13:46
OtherBrian introduces Morgan as replacement guest mid-show. Morgan is 18, city college, political science.
“welcome we have Morgan joining us Morgan uh do you want to introduce yourself Morgan”
03:14:10
IntroMorgan introduces: 18, city college, political science major.
“okay that's it they know go to the city college and I'm majoring in political”
03:14:40
OtherRatings round begins: Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10, can't pick 7.
“ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of one to 10 can't pick seven”
03:47:20
QuoteJolie presents anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power over men.
“there's scarcity in um there's value in not being sexually promiscuous and and there's so much value that comes from it that you'll be treated much better for it”
04:54:12
QuoteWhatever stats displayed: 181 episodes, 1,381 guest appearances, 80% non-sex-worker vs 20% sex worker/OF.
“181 episodes longest show was number 177 longest show 9 hours... 1,381 guests we've had 168 repeat appearances”
05:37:09
ControversyBody count round. Selena: porn body count ~100 scenes; civilian count unclear (~10 estimated). CC: stated 5 (with ambiguous 'multiply by 3' comment).
“what's everybody's body count... starting with Selena what is uh body count um I don't know my body count but I don't count the porn bodies”
05:46:00
QuoteBrian offers Selena a call to action: commit on the podcast to quit sex work entirely.
“would you consider stopping sex work entirely and making a commitment on the whatever podcast to stop”
06:00:00
OtherAndrew asks Selena to confirm definitionally: men pay her for penetrative sex on camera = prostitution?
“you can confirm that men do pay you to have penetrative sex on camera for the purposes of sexually gratifying other people”
06:30:00
OtherShow end. Brian thanks panel; 'only the DJs (Selena and CC) made it to the end'. Raid to SandTV.
“GG well played to the panel those of you who made it to the goddamn end... W Selena W CeCe”
Topics Discussed
00:00:23
Show open / announcements / debate university promo
Brian opens show with announcements. Apologizes for late start due to no-shows and flakes. Guests introduce themselves. Big announcement: debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course (80+ videos, 6 hours) launched by Brian and Andrew Wilson. Trailer played.
00:02:50
Guest introductions / relationship status round
All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship status round follows — each guest shares current status, longest relationship. MJ discusses 'special connections' vs dating; Selena discusses only-fans/porn work context; Jesse discusses engagement and baby; CC discusses long-term boyfriend since age 14; Jolie discusses views on promiscuity and dating standards.
01:34:40
Traditional relationships / submissiveness debate
Selena discusses wanting traditional dominant-submissive dynamic despite her porn career. Andrew and Brian challenge the contradiction. Selena cannot articulate what she brings to the table. Discussion on what men with traditional values would want from a partner.
01:36:00
Age gap dating debate
Discussion on older men dating younger women. Whether men who date younger women are predatory or simply more attractive. MJ argues circumstantial; Andrew argues generalizations are valid. CC (SPEAKER_05) makes biological clock arguments. Jolie (SPEAKER_02) discusses benefits of dating older men. Panel mostly concedes age gaps are acceptable.
01:53:20
Porn industry / long-term consequences debate
Extended debate on whether Selena's porn career will have long-term consequences for relationships. Andrew argues risk mitigation logic; Selena acknowledges consequences but continues. CC (Jesse/SPEAKER_05) escalates argument with Selena about hypocrisy (OnlyFans vs porn). Family structure arguments; Christian household upbringing; parental acceptance. Andrew offers: 'If you quit now you have a good chance it gets buried.'
02:51:40
Jesse Taylor rage quit / cat fight
Jesse (SPEAKER_05) escalates fight with CC and Selena. Rapid insults about body count, OnlyFans, money, property, intelligence. Near-physical confrontation (~2:21). Jesse gets mic-muted by viewer Gerald (mic mute donation). Jesse rage-quits at ~3:09:10. Brian pops champagne afterward. Panel discusses Jesse's behavior; chat later DMs Brian with alleged sex videos of Jesse.
03:14:40
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10, can't pick 7)
Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7, after Morgan joins). MJ: 8 -> 6. CC/others: 8 -> 6. Selena: 8 (face 6, body 8) -> 3 vs Megan Fox. Jolie: 8 -> 4-5 vs Megan Fox. Morgan: 6.5. Andrew: 4 then 5. Andrew challenges the concept of subjective self-rating without objective comparison. Chat votes Jolie over 38-year-old Megan Fox.
03:14:40
Will women age better debate
Andrew asks if panel will be better looking in 10-20 years. Jolie thinks yes at 29, uncertain at 39. CC thinks she'll peak in her 30s-40s. Selena thinks she could be a milf at 40. Brian argues most 35-40yo women are not as attractive as 19-20yo women; panel concedes.
03:47:20
Promiscuity / body count / sexual standards debate
Jolie presents strong anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power; sleeping around destroys dating market. Debate on whether men caring about body count is insecure. Selena defends not judging body count; says men who care about body count due to comparison anxiety are insecure. Andrew presents evolutionary paternity uncertainty argument for male disgust at promiscuity.
04:00:00
Polygamy / red pill ideology critique
Jolie critiques Fresh & Fit style influencers promoting polygamy. Andrew presents evolutionary argument for why asymmetric polygamy (one man, many women) is more evolutionarily stable than polyandry. Debate on whether normalizing it on platforms is harmful. Jolie agrees with Islamic polygamy context (historical scarcity of men) but disagrees with modern normalization.
04:21:40
Feminist identification / women on easy mode debate
Brian asks if anyone considers themselves feminist. Selena: technically yes but doesn't label herself. Others similar. Andrew: if you believe in equality you can't avoid the feminist label if you think women need advocates. All agree women have it on easy mode for quantity of dating. Jolie argues women have it easier for quantity but harder for quality. Andrew challenges the quality/quantity framing.
04:54:05
Debate university / verbal combat announcement (second plug)
Brian and Andrew re-announce debateuniversity.com Verbal Combat course launch. 80+ videos, 6 hours of content. Monthly Q&A membership group. Brian tipsy from champagne pops during announcement.
04:54:12
Whatever stats review (181 episodes)
Brian displays audience-compiled Whatever Podcast stats: 181 episodes, longest show #177 at 9 hours. 1,381 total guest appearances, 168 repeat appearances, 1,145 unique guests. Top guests: Andrew (36x), Chase (13x), Q (11x), Prio (9x), Shania (9x). Average guest age: 25. Relationship status breakdown: mostly single. Sex worker breakdown: ~80% non-sex worker, ~17% OnlyFans, ~3% professional sex worker.
04:55:00
Women's voting rights / military draft debate
Andrew argues women should not be able to vote for politicians who can send men to war when women cannot be drafted. Selena struggles with the logic. Andrew offers compromise: women can only vote on non-military matters. Selena concedes she hadn't considered voting. Panel discussion on women's rights being secured by male soldiers (force doctrine).
05:01:40
Dad bod vs six pack debate
Brian reacts to tweet claiming women prefer dad bods over six packs. Panel discusses whether the 'dad bod' shown is actually average. Jason Momoa comparison. Brief discussion on body hair, shaving.
05:37:09
Body count reveal round
Brian asks everyone's body count. Selena: civilian ~10 (uncertain); porn scenes ~100 in 7 months; worked with ~4 women and many men (some repeats). Jesse (already left). CC: approximately 5 (said '5, multiply by 3 for the real number'). Morgan/Maddie: 'if you know you know'. Jolie implied zero (virgin). Discussion on porn body count vs civilian body count distinction.
06:00:00
Selena / prostitution definition debate
Andrew asks Selena whether men paying her for penetrative sex on camera is prostitution by definition. Selena disagrees; does not consider herself a prostitute. Andrew walks through the definitional argument. Brian asks Selena to commit on the show to quitting porn; she declines.
Transcript
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01:51:55
Selena Imaiyou won in the man um I was saying I like a dominant man yep um is established mature and um I guess not an [ __ ] I
01:52:07
Brian Atlasdon't know but so it's very easy for you to answer what you're looking for but why is it a little harder for like here's all the traits that I wanted the guy why can't you just as easily say here's what I'm bringing mhm so what are
01:52:19
Selena Imaithose things I mean for me personally like it's definitely hard to like narrow things down because like the you don't seem to have any trouble narrowing them down for what you want right because that's in my perspective of what I want
01:52:31
Selena Imaibut it's like it's hard for us as people to reflect that Inward and know what traits you know what I mean really wait a second is it I mean in my opinion because I can easily wait don't you know
01:52:43
Brian Atlasyourself the best you've been living with yourself for 19 years you know everything there is to know about you mhm so how would not be able if you're
01:52:54
Brian Atlaslooking externally at externally about men who I might not even know I want XYZ but why can't you just list out well here's what I'm bringing here's me this
01:53:05
Selena Imaiis what I bring well I mean I'm I I don't know like it's just hard to like okay that's fair you know just it's just I think it's just the phrasing is like let me
01:53:16
Selena Imaiask the second part of the question what baggage would you bring baggage I mean relationship wise or just in general
01:53:26
Selena Imairelationship um baggage wise I mean I guess if they were to look at my sexual things you know like I guess body count or my profession um the fact that I
01:53:38
Selena Imaidon't have a lot of relationship experience um I think age could also play a factor because that comes with the lack of experience
01:53:47
Andrew Wilsonum so we have at least four four pieces of baggage right can we get one positive that you're going to be bringing to this relationship that's
01:53:58
Selena Imainonreciprocal from from what men have told me like in my personal life they like me because I'm honest with them I'm funny like in my personal those are
01:54:10
Andrew Wilsonreciprocal traits though you would expect honesty as you're getting honesty right right so that's reciprocal trait it's a non-reciprocal trait that you think you would bring
01:54:24
Selena Imaisomething that would benefit him no by being with you um I mean yeah I mean that that that's why I was saying it's up to the individual like I'm not going to be like
01:54:35
Selena ImaiI don't know like I'm just not like I don't have like a giant ego you know what I mean so I'm not going to be like oh he's going to get to date the baddest [ __ ] around and blah blah blah like to me that's subjective to whatever man I'm
01:54:47
Selena Imaidating or whatever man finds interest it's up to him to find those traits in me that he is attracted to and that's different for everybody wait
01:55:04
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyso how about I feel like I have like just a different question that kind of would give the same answer like what do you think a traditional man who's dominant who's a provider and all those
01:55:17
Brian Atlasthings you listed would want in a woman did she say I don't know if she said provider although that would be an entailment of being tradition traditional do you want a provider okay so that I'm assuming you
01:55:28
Brian Atlaswant a guy to pay for the first date right to leave you want a guy to pay would you want a guy to pay for like subsequent dates too uh like provider
01:55:39
Selena Imaiyeah like I mean I think that comes with the dominant role okay um so you would be submissive then mhm I assume that's what you would bring
01:55:50
Brian Atlasright so I have a question if you were dating a guy and he told you I want you to stop doing porn would you be submissive and listen to him um If I
01:56:01
Selena ImaiLoved Someone absolutely what if you didn't love him then I would not stop I I would be you're in a relationship with him I wouldn't be in a relationship you don't love him yet that's possible that's pointless to
01:56:12
Selena Imaime because I'm like if we're not I don't know if I don't love you yet I'm not going to quit my job for you yeah but somebody can grow to love somebody that's very possible right but I'm not
01:56:24
Selena Imaigoing to cut off my financials because you told me he's providing right but it's like I don't know like I feel like I would want to be in love with someone for them to like cut off like or at
01:56:36
Jolie Elenaleast attraction maybe not love but like attraction to them would you like give it up for them she ain't giving up if she's attract relationship yeah I
01:56:48
Selena Imaimean if I'm just attracted like I don't really care like but it's like how long does it it take for you to fall in love with someone I don't know I haven't been in love okay yeah a week for me so wait
01:57:00
Andrew Wilsonthe last question I got for you m why would a traditional man who had those traditional traits and values want somebody who see now I'm understanding
01:57:10
Selena Imailike anyway um I'm not saying they would I'm just saying what I like so it's like for me I'm not stupid like I understand what I do as a job I understand the way the world would view that in a negative
01:57:22
Andrew Wilsonlight or whatever and that at the end of the day that was my decision so maybe it's harder for me to find a man that I want but let's Circle we're going to circle all the way back now to the original question I asked you do you think that there's going to be any
01:57:35
Andrew Wilsonlong-term ramifications from you doing corn the response to this was everything except this answer which is that it could definitely have significant problems
01:57:47
Andrew Wilsonwhen it came to the relationship that you would want with a man who had the trades characteristics and values that you're after mhm how come you left that out um I wasn't thinking about that cuz most of the time when people bring it up
01:57:59
Selena Imaithey always thinking about it well they always bring up oh what is your what about your family what about your children they're not thinking about like oh F relation ass you're going to have children with somebody you're in love
01:58:12
Andrew Wilsonwith yeah of course and you want that person to have those values right of course that comes before the kid right of course so if that comes so that comes before the kid then step byep process
01:58:23
Selena Imaihere right the type of man that you're after for the values aren't you hamstringing yourself I mean no because I mean at the end of the day if a dude doesn't want me back I'm not going to chase it like I'm not going to look
01:58:35
Andrew Wilsonstupid like that but why would a man who had values structured values and was traditional which is what you want why would you want to be with a corn Star right I'm not saying a traditional man
01:58:46
Selena Imaihas to be so how's that not hamstringing yourself well because it's like I grew up in a household that was a Christian household and so maybe it's just the way
01:58:57
Selena ImaiI grew up that it's kind of ingrained in me to like certain traits in a relationship I'm not saying that's an indefinite um to what I'd be looking for like let's say I find someone and
01:59:08
Andrew Wilsonthey're not even like that at all but I love them and it works for us that's fine too really you think that you're going to be able to change things like you want them to be dominated a provider have attritional values you really think you're going to change your attractive
01:59:20
Selena Imaiwhat you're attracted to really I mean if you love somebody yeah Andrew can ask you a question on this um can a guy
01:59:30
Brian Atlasbe can a guy be dominant and a provider but not be traditional yes yes yes so that's what I mean that's where I I kind of think about this part of me when but
01:59:42
Andrew Wilsonbut there's an under there's an undercurrent here to look at yes so in other words I'm going to concede that this is logically possible right I don't ever see it though meaning that the
01:59:53
Andrew Wilsontypes of men I think who who desire to be in those roles generally seem to have a value structure which underpins why they want to be in those roles otherwise what the hell would be the point you
02:00:06
Andrew Wilsonjust go out and be a promiscuous Manor and hump every chick you saw and lie to him be a scumbag there wouldn't really be any negative ramifications to
02:00:15
Brian Atlasthat so why not do that on the provider front I I do Wonder though like if there's like liberal [ __ ] soy boy who's like just you know he's making they
02:00:26
Brian Atlasnothing precludes a liberal [ __ ] soy boy from making a ton of money so they can fall into the provider role it's not clear if they're the dominant component is a little more questionable generally
02:00:38
Andrew Wilsonbut let me ask the counter to this yeah so the liberal cuck soy boy yeah why does he want to fall in the provider role that's a good
02:00:49
Selena Imaiquestion maybe well it would occur to me Instinct cuz like weren't you talking about like male instincts or something earlier like what if it's just like ingrained from where they grow I would think it would be instinct to not be a
02:01:00
Andrew Wilsonliberal cuck soy boy too though right that seems instinctual but maybe it's not just purely Instinct so for backing up though what would be the incentive
02:01:11
Andrew Wilsonfor somebody who lives in modernity man who lives in modernity makes tons of cash right and um he doesn't see really any
02:01:22
Andrew Wilsonvalue in being a provider when he can just basically go out and hump whatever woman he wants what would be the principle underpinning behind that so you you said you're raised in a Christian household so you probably
02:01:35
Andrew Wilsonassume in your head the way that you think about it is it's supposed to be man woman children devoted wife right head of household husband these are the examples that you see do you know do you
02:01:47
Andrew Wilsonknow why that becomes ingrained though is because those are examples that work and so you look your whole life and you look around you and you see all kinds of examples that don't work traditionalism are is it really just the
02:01:59
Andrew Wilsonstudy of experiments that worked that's an experiment that always works seems to work the best out of every other experim work for my parents it doesn't always
02:02:09
Andrew Wilsonwork yeah right of course not but but even if your parents split that doesn't mean they won't enter into another traditional relationship with other
02:02:18
Andrew Wilsonpeople right mhm so again this is the experiment again seeming to work as it's supposed to even if with these two people it did not work doesn't mean they're not going to look for a Reformation for exactly that same kind
02:02:31
Andrew Wilsonof relationship again that's the examples that we see that work the most and so that's why we kind of are always looking at him and going okay why does this work mhm so
02:02:42
Andrew Wilsonyeah I mean I I don't know like that I don't think that's relevant to like the original point though I think it is because what you're after is you seem to be after all the the values of somebody
02:02:54
Andrew Wilsonwho has an underpinning ethical system MH the ethical system being what are the things you value honesty right Integrity honor part of that the nature of I
02:03:04
Andrew Wilsonprovide for woman I take care of wife wife doesn't have to work right I'll kill myself at the factory every day to make sure the family's taken care of there has to be some kind of under
02:03:17
Andrew Wilsonpending there for for ethics right otherwise why the hell would you do it right right yeah so you're saying like I'm saying that absent the ethical part I don't think you get you can arrive at
02:03:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythe traditional part I don't think it's easy to arrive there right does that make sense yeah I guess can I add something yeah nobody wants to be a single mom I have a child and I would
02:03:39
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allynot be able to do it alone I just got a C-section and I was in the ICU for septic shock and you know my boyfriend had to step up and take care of my kid I
02:03:49
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywas literally dying on my deathbed and I had to get blood transfusions everything I don't know how some women do it alone that is like it's sad that you know some wom go through it but that's definitely
02:04:02
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou want a partner that's going to stick by you now I couldn't even put on my own underwear but you got weren't you with this guy for for 3 months before well no I knew him for a
02:04:13
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylong time before then I knew I know but romantically right romantically yeah we'd hang out in like groups so wasn't that just a gamble um well I guess I took his word for it when he told me that he was serious and he did
02:04:26
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywant a family in a serious relationship and it just so happened that we got along and we have very similar interest so I mean it worked but I mean if you were to take yourself out of your shoes
02:04:37
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythis worked right for you this did work yeah you would never recommend it for somebody else though right honestly I got really lucky I won it because maybe they would end up a
02:04:48
Andrew Wilsonsingle mom honestly right that's what I'm saying is like I understand I understand the principle of what you're saying it's really difficult uh it seems like it seems like it seems stupid that
02:04:59
Andrew Wilsona woman would actually choose to be a single mom though they do yes um because you're right right it takes there's there's a lot more work involved then well it doesn't take a village but it
02:05:10
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydoes take a dad and also like you don't want your child growing up hey Mommy and Daddy are dating different people that's not a good example no you know that's just you know
02:05:22
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywhat though good example of having a traditional household of having yeah under hang on ethical underp yeah and then my daughter is going to grow up well my mommy and daddy weren't together
02:05:33
Selena Imaiso I'm going to go be a single mom right hypothetically you know not my situation that depends how you like view the world though I'm going to go around like for
02:05:44
Selena Imaime personally because I did grow up in in a certain way I'm striving to not have that happen not to be like you know nobody wait hold on because you grew up
02:05:54
Brian Atlasin a certain way wait you don't want so you do want to get married one day yeah you do want to have kids absolutely but don't you think simply by virtue of the work that you've
02:06:06
Brian Atlasdone that's going to make it much more difficult to have a stable relationship no impact whatsoever on the it'll definitely have an impact but for
02:06:16
Brian Atlasme like again as I was saying like well it doesn't need to be like the concrete like but if it'll definitely but if it'll definitely have an impact wouldn't
02:06:26
Selena Imaithat have a impact on the likelihood of the relation the success of the relationship no because I'm not going to get married to someone that I have like
02:06:38
Brian Atlasthings like like about my past you know like if you're mad that I did this job you're not the one for me you know but what if it introduces issues down the line in your
02:06:49
Brian Atlasrelationship that material realize years years later or for example this is perhaps one you won't be able to avoid if you said you want to have kids
02:07:00
Brian AtlasMH okay what what sort of complications will be introduced into not only your relationship with your partner but your relationship with your children which will invariably introduce Rel uh issues
02:07:12
Selena Imaiwith your partner If the child is bullied for example because of the work you've done um I mean I'm planning to have kids in like 15 years like I don't how would
02:07:24
Jolie Elenathey you never know you don't think you never know when you're to have kids videos of you in 15 years from now and not only that but'll be hologic next week not only that but in 15 years from now the father of that child will still
02:07:37
Jolie Elenabe the father and you could choose that father from today and they could be the father in 15 years and I don't think doing the industry that you're in I'm
02:07:47
Jolie Elenasorry was I not clear I understood what she said Keep no you weren't clear no Kidd I rephrase it um but and also so the father that
02:08:00
Jolie Elenayou choose now could be the father of your kids in 15 years and the father that you choose most likely won't be a better father while you're in the industry like do you really think you're
02:08:11
Jolie Elenamore likely to get a good man in the industry that you're in or or are you more likely to not get a good man while you're in the industry I mean based off
02:08:21
Selena Imaiof their argument it would be I'm less likely but what do you think for me like I mean I don't really care like for me like I'm wait you do care hold on hold
02:08:32
Brian Atlason but but you do care because you said that due to your past experiences yourself as a child you said you don't want that for you and you don't want that for your future children correct you said you don't want what happened to
02:08:44
Brian Atlasyour parents to happen to you correct but simply by virtue of the work you've done and the work you do it has increased the likelihood that that will be the outcome it's not a
02:08:55
Brian Atlasguarante not a guarantee but it's increased the likelihood that I mean true and when you have a kid you're going to want to protect them and you know I'll protect my kids but I mean
02:09:08
Selena Imaiit doesn't have to be in the context of what I used to do for work I mean I I know a lot of girls that I grew up with and their moms were strippers and stuff you know and like no one cared it's just like you like I feel like shaming
02:09:20
Selena Imaisomeone for their past at the end of the day well I mean sorry go ahead finish what I was saying is that shaming people for
02:09:30
Selena Imaitheir past like obviously that's an issue but I I feel like wait why well it's an issue because um like as you
02:09:41
Brian Atlaswere saying like would you date a broke guy a broke guy would you date a broke guy I have in the past yeah okay was
02:09:51
Brian Atlasthat the question no would you would I now absolutely not well so hold on because of a man's perhaps lack of action his current state of affairs he's
02:10:03
Brian Atlasbroke perhaps and this is due in part or in totality to actions or lack of actions he took he took in the past so
02:10:12
Brian Atlasyou are essentially essentially shaming him for his past actions no by not being at a place financially that you deem acceptable in the present but that's not
02:10:24
Brian Atlasthe same as shaming them I'm not shaming you for being broke but bro you chick shamed bills bills bills by Destiny's Child uh uh TLC no scrub I don't I have
02:10:35
Andrew Wilsonno idea bro but does does a man want to broke women so I mean don't care don't care
02:10:42
Andrew Wilsonabout what about shaming women for their future mhm like for instance I hear you okay that's fair mhm shouldn't shame me
02:10:53
Andrew Wilsonfor what I did a week ago right 10 days ago 20 days ago but what if the perception is okay but you're going to
02:11:02
Andrew Wilsondo this again tomorrow and next Tuesday and next Thursday is that okay then to shame or is it just what you're really saying is just not okay to shame people I didn't say it wasn't okay to shame
02:11:13
Selena Imaipeople but in the context of what we were saying which was my job which I'm not the only person in the world that has a controver IAL job age right sure
02:11:24
Selena Imaium it's just like what you guys were saying was coming under the context that it would cause an issue I don't even know like I could die tomorrow like and none of this would even matter yeah but what do you know what I me you know what
02:11:36
Andrew WilsonI mean like but if you're when when you live your life you live your life through risk mitigation whether you think so or not you don't blow through red lights right how
02:11:47
Selena Imaicome how come you don't blow through red lights for fun a legal you're most likely going to die if let's say it was legal mhm would you blow through red lights for
02:11:57
Andrew Wilsonfun no why because I would get T-boned oh so you're mitigating risk right right do you want to get into a car that had shaky Wheels no no why because it's
02:12:08
Andrew Wilsondangerous and so you're what mitigating risk it's risk you're mitigating risk so you live your entire life mitigating risk doesn't it sound like a little bit of cope to say well it just so happen
02:12:21
Selena ImaiI'm in this industry which has a high risk associated with it I just don't care about mitigating it I mean couldn't you say the same thing about like police officers or something like that put their life on the line every day like
02:12:33
Andrew Wilsonthat very safe job very few police officers die early sorry can I say something but it's like that doesn't relate to the point because I think it does relate to the point well because if we're talking about if we're talking
02:12:44
Andrew Wilsonabout risk mitigation assume for a second that every single police officer got shot while they were on duty do you think that anybody want to be a police
02:12:54
Andrew Wilsonofficer no no probably not right but if you were to have acceptable risk where you go okay almost no police officers actually get shot on duty now that seems
02:13:05
Andrew Wilsonlike it's not that much of a risky job right however when you're talking about doing corn for instance what do you think the risk likelihoods increase that they don't end up with happy marriages
02:13:16
Andrew Wilsonwith traditional men I don't know the statistics so I can't say anything if I were tell you though let's just say I were to tell you a ridiculous number like it's 95% M would that even change
02:13:28
Andrew Wilsonyour mind would you stop doing it tomorrow the truth no no so then it does so then I don't even know why why asked me the question of but I don't know the statistic regardless of what the
02:13:39
Andrew Wilsonstatistic was if it was 100% you still wouldn't stop right no so then ultimately you're just saying to hell with risk mitigation in this right cuzz
02:13:50
Selena ImaiI want [ __ ] do it right right yeah I mean you know it's life you make choices and there's consequences I'm not denying I never denied the consequences I'll say that I'm not like delusional like I I
02:14:03
Andrew Wilsonunderstand I'm not saying you're delusional there is a point you know and there is like a a place where you know it might be an issue in my life before that but what what if in 10 years though you remember that you were on this
02:14:15
Andrew Wilsonrandom podcast with this [ __ ] who told you who told you dum continue you could stop now and it'll mitigate risk overnight you can just
02:14:26
Andrew Wilsonstop you can go get a job as a secretary you go get a job as a car salesman you can go get a job as a as a I don't know [ __ ] standin teacher somewhere you can do anything but this and your life's
02:14:38
Andrew Wilsonoutcome is going to likely be better right wouldn't it be better if when you think about that objectively to not kick yourself in the ass in 10 years and go [ __ ] I should have listened to that guy
02:14:50
Andrew Wilsonand instead just quit do anything other than that well if that happens I'll find you and take you out to a nice dinner uhhuh right can I can I say something no you're going to find me and here's what's going to happen I'm going to tell you what's going to happen right 10
02:15:02
Andrew Wilsonyears I'll get the phone call and you're going to say man Andrew you were so right about this and I'm going to do this I'm going to
02:15:11
Andrew Wilsongo I told you dummy right because that's social shaming the hope there is that you'll take that laughter and internalize it and it'll make you see
02:15:21
Andrew Wilsonwith anger so that you'll speak out in 10 years to the Next Generation and say ah this didn't work out so well life you know you learn things right yeah I mean it who knows maybe it'll it'll go my way
02:15:34
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyand I'll be I'll call you and be like yo it worked out and laugh in your face maybe I love your opinion just now and I think that you know you're still 19 you're young he you know has I think he
02:15:46
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybrings a really good point but I want to ask you something would you date a guy mhm if like you could build a life with him like he doesn't have any money right now but hypothetically let's say you get
02:15:59
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allypregnant right and he's like you know I don't have the best job right now but I'm willing to get another job but who knows maybe he's making $2500 $33,000 a month would you be okay with dating him um if he's really trying and he does
02:16:13
Selena Imailove you well yeah cuz that shows ambition okay but it's like if you're just a broke man and you have no ambition and you have no plan and you have no like I don't know like again like what I was saying is like like a dominant man if you're not doing
02:16:25
Selena Imaianything to improve your life that doesn't attract me to and I would never get pregnant by a dude that couldn't afford a child but do you know why things can change he can get a job he
02:16:37
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycould say do you know what I need to step it up yeah but you're you're honestly like you're just exing like a bunch of guys that you know could potentially you know you could
02:16:47
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allypotentially date there's nothing wrong with that I you know not to get personal you know that's that situation happened with my boyfriend he he couldn't afford
02:16:56
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allya kid he got another job you know and you know I'm a essentially a lot better off than him financially I didn't care but there is guys that you know who cares if they're broke who cares
02:17:08
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyhonestly once you have $200,000 in cash are you going to care about a if a guy is broke seriously does $200,000 in your hand mean anything to you would it mean
02:17:18
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyanything to you well I already said that it's not about being broke it's about their Ambitions and their some people that you know money would make them happy I'm the happiest I've ever been in
02:17:29
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allymy entire life having a child and having a family and being a mother I don't give a [ __ ] fudge about money and I've seen that much money in cash easily I say
02:17:41
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allymoney how you support your kid without money without money you can how would you support your kid with that money yes you're saying you don't care about money but how would you support that husband and kid money to support a kid but you guys can be a team you guys can build a
02:17:54
Selena Imaifamily together that sounds like a gold digger comment that really does how was that gold digger to want um to find someone that wants to to be able to provide for
02:18:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythe child I'm not going to get pregnant if you if we cannot both that makes no sense you you know why every situation is different every guy is different but if a guy is willing to come up to you and say Hey listen I don't care about
02:18:17
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyour past I really don't I want to start a family with you you know I don't have a bunch of money but I'm willing to step up and get another job are you going to reject him cuz he maybe has $100 in his
02:18:28
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybank account no because he has that thing where he's not and money doesn't matter he has the ambition to get more money I'd rather be broke as [ __ ] and not have any money in my bank account
02:18:39
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allynot have anything to my name and have a loving husband and a child and be a happy family that's what really matters that's not about being broke or not exactly you can't provide for your you have no money yeah but you know what
02:18:52
Jolie Elenathere's assistance out there there really is there's govern assist stuff like that it doesn't matter the point is like there's so many options before can't even believe some people's like
02:19:03
Jolie Elenaperspective I think the point is like there's so many options you could do before resorting to that to working in that industry that would not have you go through all of those consequences and you're still young and you said that
02:19:15
Jolie Elenaokay there's consequences learn and I love that you're humble enough to understand what we're saying to you but for that same reason I would actually shame you more for understanding it and not doing anything about it than if
02:19:27
Jolie Elenayou but it's not just about like I understand that's your choice but that I'm going to shame people for their choices because I care about society and I think the worst part of this is the
02:19:39
Jolie Elenakids like the if you acknowledge that there's consequences with kids I think you're irresponsible if you know that there's going to be some type of consequence or something put on those kids and I remember you said well I have friends that have strippers as like moms
02:19:52
Jolie Elenaor all of that and you don't want that you don't want to raise your kids like that I could argue if we really go in depth there is consequences but let's say there isn't it sounds very mediocre
02:20:02
Jolie Elenaand I I I don't want to like I just really dislike people who want kids and they're like well it's fine instead of having the intention of I want to do my absolute best not mediocre not well
02:20:15
Jolie Elenathey'll turn out fine they'll have food and and roof over their head they'll have money from what I'm working at not with the intention of I want the absolute best thing for them not just
02:20:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou know you could go to college you could do a lot of I do want the best for my future you know nonexistent children what she's doing is her decision at the end of the day she could have better you shouldn't sit here you're a fake friend
02:20:38
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyif you literally sit here and say that it's okay for what she's doing long term she's going to probably have kids one day you're still young too so you might not get it I'm a lot older than I work at a pharmacy so I know what I want to do
02:20:51
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyI get it but you shouldn't sit here and condemn what she's doing it's wrong and I will say it right now it's completely WR okay we'll guess why I have only you have an only doesn't
02:21:02
Selena Imaimatter kind do matter okay but you're not going to sh for what I do when you have an only F and you have a child so what about you I'm not doing to seriously at least take your naked
02:21:15
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybody is still somewhere on the internet girl like sure but it doesn't what I'm trying to tell you should go if you're going to have a relationship you shouldn't go and [ __ ] guys and then come home and [ __ ] your
02:21:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyboyfriend you're disgusting for that if you ever do that I don't have a boyf you're literally and that's why you won't get a boyfriend because nobody wants to be with somebody that's going to have sex with multiple guys you probably are going to end up with some
02:21:39
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allytype of STI one day and also you're laughing you're next it's in her defense no literally you guys you guys are just immature and honestly this is wrong with
02:21:49
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllySociety like [ __ ] matter I don't have [ __ ] I can literally shut down my [ __ ] only and never have to [ __ ] work again for the rest of my [ __ ] life so shut the
02:22:00
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally[ __ ] up are you going to touch me I'm not going to touch you seriously you need to stop don't encourage that please don't put your hand in my face yeah I mean we could be calm about it I can
02:22:10
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydelete only fans and never work again in my life because I [ __ ] Rich that's why go home I'm calm no [ __ ] you go the [ __ ] home I'm calm girl I was just saying that it was it just sounded hypocritical to it doesn't matter find
02:22:24
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybetter for yourself you're young you have potential seriously that's I actually had a positive thing for you you are young you are 19 you have a whole life ahead of you go do something better
02:22:35
Selena Imaiseriously you have the capability absolutely I never said that I was going to have the same job for the rest of my life that was never something I said let's say I find a different interest and you know I feel like I actually
02:22:47
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywould like to see you do better and then she's sitting here saying um it's her choice you know you're wrong or whatever I you're judging her right now no I literally it doesn't [ __ ] matter I can shut down my only fans I have a
02:22:59
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydaughter to take care of I don't give a [ __ ] I can shut down my only fans but guess why I'm not going to I'm not going to cuz it's my choice and you're hypocrite there you go I'm not a hypocrite I'm not sitting here and doing
02:23:10
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally[ __ ] porn hypoc girl at the end of I actually do you know why I take back my good advice I hope you literally end up homeless in the street because you won't take good advice here's another thing I
02:23:20
Jolie Elenawill also judge a person for not being calm because the point the point is to to you guys are like young you guys don't get it until you have children you
02:23:31
Selena Imaiwill understand all I was saying is that it it was just coming from a place of someone that has an only fan so it doesn't [ __ ] matter I made it in life I made it in life I own a [ __ ] Mansion I can do whatever the [ __ ] I
02:23:43
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywant and I [ __ ] manage my properties and collect rent the [ __ ] do you do [ __ ] [ __ ] guys so shut the [ __ ] up not come for me I don't f i [ __ ] my [ __ ] husband thank you so much not
02:23:54
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyet he's not your husband yet it doesn't [ __ ] matter I have a child getting married if you actually care about reaching through her she's not going to understand by yelling if we actually want her to change if you actually care
02:24:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyno you guys honestly you guys are going to have a very tough time in life very tough time in life very tough time you're you're sitting there and laughing very tough time in life I'm a lot older
02:24:16
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythan you guys and also I've done a lot of stuff in my life and I actually to be [ __ ] nice to you and say that you have capability you have potential you're sitting here wasting it you could you don't you know you could be a nurse
02:24:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou could do so much be a nurse you could still be a nurse exactly nobody as well but nobody is saying take back what you did but you should at least strive to be better so maybe this is a stepping stone you know to get to where you're at
02:24:40
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybut at least have like another plan is what I'm trying to tell you I I'm not coming after you I'm trying to tell you there is a plan B you're laughing I mean should want better for your friends you
02:24:52
Selena Imaishould literally want better for your friends don't sit there and laugh where is the line for you though because I feel like like if you have an only fans oh I I can do I already okay how much money have you made on only fans how much money have you made on only fans
02:25:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allytell me a [ __ ] number right now how much money have you made I've made half a million dollars and I had can prove it on only fans okay I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want out of 10 let's drop down to
02:25:14
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyit too yes inside no like anyway and I've been doing social media since 16 you are 19 at the end of the day do better for yourself you didn't even give life a chance you literally went straight into porn you even try to do
02:25:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybetter for yourself read the comment what did you say it doesn't matter at the end of the day because guess what I can sh the [ __ ] I want I'm resue itn't both of you no
02:25:38
Selena Imaiboth of you brought up like the stripper thing so like where is the line for you like if I was a stripper would that still be as much of an issue because it's not online or is it just because want better use that as a stepping
02:25:51
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allystepping stone use it okay if you're doing porn right now okay do you know what I'm I hypothetically if I was you okay I'm doing porn I don't want to do porn in 2 years right I want to go to college I want to go to you know be a nurse whatever you want to do right use
02:26:04
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythat as a stepping stone and at least have a plan you're laughing your plan what is your plan that you're a model what is your plan how much money have you in your life I work Monday to Friday
02:26:14
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally9: to5 I make 23 an hour I work with 23 what is 23 an hour can you part of my my body on only fans being a hypocrite about it I know like girl I think more ready than all of youing up
02:26:26
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allymore than you guys doesn't matter and I don't say you're [ __ ] it's giving hater girl it's giving it's not hater do you know what it's not giving hater I literally said I wanted to see you do better and you can't accept that and you took it as you know me though you met me
02:26:39
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allytoday you don't know it doesn't matter I actually feel bad for you because you're 19 and you didn't give like a chance you can't decide where you want to get married do you know why do you know why that is a good reason to feel bad for me cuz I actually want to find out where
02:26:51
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythe [ __ ] I'm getting married to I would like Vegas doesn't matter at the end of the day you shouldn't sit here and laugh you don't know me either and I don't know you I don't know you people I don't know you but I said it would be nice to
02:27:03
Selena Imaisee you do better I don't know you're [ __ ] Str to me in life you're stranger to me this is exactly where I want to but here's the thing $10,000 a month at the end of the day what the hell is that me as a person though what
02:27:14
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyis how long is that going to last go that fill you in life the whole point just have all I'm trying to say is figure out how long you want to do this for if it's till you're 25 and then say you know what I'm going to save up this
02:27:27
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allymuch money and this is what I want to do next that's all I'm literally trying to say perfectly fine I never perfectly fine that's what I was trying to say and then she came and she like girl I can change careers whenever I want this is
02:27:39
Selena Imaiwhat I chose to do no you're choosing to do it and I'm saying that you're still young find out what you want to do next that's what I'm literally trying to tell you I never said I could erase the past but it's like if I wanted to change jobs
02:27:49
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyI could do that for me I don't want to change job let her resp and then you guys go and then let her respond and then you guys
02:27:59
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allygo okay thank go B right so like from from from what okay before you got mad okay and I'm on my boo stabilizer
02:28:08
Selena Imaipill for anybody want 25 milligram lctl girl whatever but I'm trying to tell you that before you popped off on me I was trying to say like where the line was
02:28:19
Selena Imaifor you because Al you would be in that UL is the Pagan donated $200 that's what I'm saying and also that's what I'm saying the same
02:28:32
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycategory you're not better than me you have more money girl it doesn't matter about having money I actually said I would like to you brought up the money multiple times so you said I'm rich I'm better okay person I'm very fortunate I
02:28:44
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allynever have to work again that's my prerogative if I want to work again I do music because I love trying to get money I do music because I love music at the end of the day but I I sincerely never
02:28:55
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyhave to work again that's my position so when I see other girls actually do have to work I'm like oh my God like so you're mad that I have to work no I'm not mad I I said I would
02:29:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylike to see you do better in the future that's it that's literally my point
02:29:13
Selena Imaihere my point my point is very simple my point is super simple you nothing you said made sense because it was just coming from the someone who was being a hypocrite and then went on I'm not doing
02:29:25
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyprofessional porn but here's the you have only fans girl earlier you literally said that your naked body pictures are online still you can't get no I literally didn't say that you did say that you said I can erase my only fans but doesn't mean I can erase my
02:29:37
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycontent that is true you can't erase content off only fans are you worried about you know your kid finding that no but there's ways to get it off why why should I be worried about my kid
02:29:48
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyfinding it I don't know your financial situation you might not be a millionaire moving forward all I'm saying if you are congratulations you too I thinkand that you all I'm saying is have a backup plan
02:30:00
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou might have to work until you're whatever years old I don't have to work again so I can really do whatever I want when I see when I see when I see 19-year-olds literally going straight into point and not did you go to
02:30:13
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyuniversity I went to Mississippi State University I did college first I tried first before I had an only fans but it didn't work out right that's why you did well guess what I'm a mother so I can do whatever the [ __ ] I want why I have
02:30:23
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyalmost a million followers what do you have how many follow you have you have th followers I Instagram you have a th000 followers I have almost a million followers I've been doing this for a long time I was on I was one of the
02:30:36
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyfirst live stream groups okay and I was also on television so here's the thing when I was your guys's age I went to University I didn't
02:30:46
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allygo straight to only where did I get you where a chance where did University get you do you know where it got me where it didn't get me anywhere shut the [ __ ] up your point
02:30:58
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allygirl I don't use my University your point I don't use you just came up to me and said you should go to Unity I don't have to work if you go to college maybe you might have to work unless you become a millionaire
02:31:11
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyovernight how did everything that you were saying I'm not a millionaire contradicting it okay all I'm saying is I might not have to use my degree I might not have to do any of that but you
02:31:23
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyknow you could you could do a lot of stuff you know what I I can't be positive with you because you take everything the wrong way I can't you here's the thing you guys knew each other coming in so obviously you know
02:31:36
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou're going to put your two cents in it doesn't matter you're going to put your I literally defended her just Gerald donated $200 stop killing no one cares how much
02:31:47
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allymoney I don't care at the end of the day there you go I feel bad for your child I don't know who's on your side a [ __ ] you what okay what do you have do you have money do you have
02:31:59
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyfollowers what the [ __ ] do you have what life I'm 20 years old I'm L and guess what when I was 20 years old guess where I was living I was living in a [ __ ] Penthouse in West Hollywood what the [ __ ] are you doing at 20 years old I pay for my I pay for my own car I have my
02:32:11
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydog congratulations you literally have a 20 you make $23 an hour got that kind of $23 an hour $23 hour guys viewers $23 an hour like that's going to get you
02:32:23
TTS/Donationsanywhere try to control so aggressive because you're better than her we get it make your good luck on $23 an hour is what I'll say making that for the rest of
02:32:37
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyour life we'll see where that gets you do you even have a raw you need to dis people a excuse me you don't even know what a raw
02:32:46
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyirated you have no retirement fun you guys are you guys can't even where's the mood stabilizer it's [ __ ] in my body and guess what you guys you guys have no retirement fun you
02:32:59
Selena Imaiguys are going to be losers for the rest of life I don't need a retirement fun you guys are going to be losers for the rest of your life I'm L what is your point so you're saying that it's a problem that she has an honest living
02:33:09
Selena Imaimaking $23 an hour at a normal job that's an issue it's an issue for only fans and it's an issue for porn but what is your point like all I'm trying to say you're mad is because use my brains to
02:33:20
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyget money while you had to use your body to get money a okay well guess what also on YouTube and Tik Tok and I was number one for comedy not even funny you are you're boring that's why you're starting up with me and you know I
02:33:33
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyhave you started up with me because you saw that I had a lot of followers and you want attention girl do you not know who I know you're irrelevant to me I don't care you're irrelevant to me I promise you I don't care I don't care
02:33:45
Brian Atlasstop starting up with me and shut okay uh okay youres that's a 10 minute Tod oh wow he really wants uh
02:33:58
Brian Atlasokay right all right you guys can pick it up in 10 minutes I guess uh I'll read a couple chats here that was that was eventful um sometimes it's best to just uh let let that play out you know and
02:34:10
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyokay Andrew you need a smoke or all right Andrew needs a smoke I need to smoke after reason that I was very popular for being a live streamer a long time ago cuz I said what the [ __ ] isn't her microphone muted okay yeah so
02:34:22
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyanyways I'm going shut up you okay stop you are Pi up $23 pick up in 10 minutes $23 an hour everyone
02:34:34
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycongratulations round of a [ __ ] it should not be just like mute a mic but that person can't talk fail okay um sorry the hell I want to see where you're at in 10 years if
02:34:46
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou're not a milon you cannot talk to me okay never make a million to talk to me yeah you got to stop talking so if you've never seen
02:34:56
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allya care about your opinion if you have if you have have made $100,000 in you can show it right now I will sit here and I'll debate with you if you don't have 100,000 in couch right now I don't give a [ __ ] about what you got to say take my
02:35:08
Andrew Wilsonside or don't take my can you stop talking we got to move this okay we'll move it okay hey put the cuckoo back in the
02:35:17
Brian Atlasclock for a minute okay calm down please all right so uh La paladins I'm going to read a couple chats here she's malleable women will become whatever the man they
02:35:29
Jolie Elenaattracted to wants goth prep actually Maddie can you read these goth prepi emo she's still a blank slate good sign she
02:35:37
Brian Atlashasn't been Alpha widowed this is in response to you I so it's towards me yes huh that's a compliment right you want
02:35:48
Brian Atlasto that was B my uh kill serial that was BS I demand you replay my $200 TTS she yelled all the way through it no one cares you still show your body off online so you're cheating on your husband emotionally that is true I
02:36:00
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyshould replay it because you guys uh I mean you know that's what they think I really don't care I've never Che on my husband yeah can you stop talking don't
02:36:09
TTS/Donationstell me killer of cereal donated $200 my TV volume is at 10 out of 100 and she's making it sound like it's at 50 you really trying to take control of
02:36:20
Brian Atlasthis life lesson so aggressive because you're better than her we get it make your blank blank blank uh kill of zal thank you man appreciate it sorry you know they were in the middle of their
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Brian Atlaslittle squabble or whatever we also have another one from Kill of cial here good to see Andrew in person I'm now a crucible fan and good to see you again Brian question for the panel what
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Brian Atlasis the most embarrassing moment you've experienced on a date I praise Almighty aist get through the chats killer but I promise you I'm going to write that down I'm going to say most embarrassing moments and we will go around the panel
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyin just a moment on that once I get through all the other chats we have MC daddy first time donating I listen every day Andrew's reactions are sending me right now as a 22-year-old woman these
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Brian Atlasother young females are embarrassing please get a real job the military has enlistment bonuses the military all right MC Daddy hey thank you for the message man appreciate your patronage uh thank you
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythank you for joining the stream and then we do have is there a backlog or there's quite a backlog okay I'll read this one Maddie can you read it what would happen when the Law changes
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyor school policies now ban any off content creators from schools AKA you can't pick up your kid go to their graduation and you'd likely be single the rest of your life is the money
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Selena Imaiyou've made today worth it short answer no great question that respond to that I mean it's just a hypothetical thing so I I mean I mean
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Brian Atlasjust to be I don't think that that would happen to be honest yeah no I don't think it would happen so uh but uh yeah Avalos thank you for the $100 Super Chat
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Brian Atlasman really appreciate it but if it did happen if it did happen would it be worth it the money if I had a kid no
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Brian Atlasokay all right and uh I have Nick I have a bunch in my streamyard that aren't showing up in over there uh here let me did you pull
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Brian Atlasthis one up uh no I don't believe can you is there another one here I'll uh there's this one these are below the read
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythreshold but no I don't I'm not jealous any I'm not jealous to anyone I love my life your mic's muted hold on uh my mic is muted yeah that's
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywhy they that's why we're telling yeah they paid to mute your mic that's why we're saying like your mic is not working so like but you didn't get those previous ones you might have to do a
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Brian Atlasrefresh it was like for 10 minutes uh so just hide the streamyard there so basically they can't in there and then sorry guys we're just rixing uh Andrew's
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allycoming back if you want to I thought that they were just that oh no someone actually like paid to do it yeah I didn't know that uh so this would be a
02:39:18
Brian Atlasgood time to um once Andrew's back we're going to who this is get into our next topic here um I know you had some pre-show notes though before we move on from some of this stuff
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Brian Atlasuh pull up your notes it's Joe joliee right yes you said that uh you're confident arguing against sex workers only fans in the porn
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Brian Atlasindustry you're hugely against it and can get fired up for it you have also well that's something else um so what's your arguments against sex
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Jolie Elenawork I just believe that it's I think everything is a slippery slope to what's going to happen in society and I think every detail matters I think something
02:40:05
Jolie Elenalike that isn't a small thing it's a huge way you're not contributing to society in fact you're doing the opposite you're downgrading society when you're doing that is what I
02:40:16
Jolie Elenabelieve and I understand that could be cont controversial but the main thing is I think parents who are in that industry
02:40:26
Jolie Elenaare more likely or statistically not going to raise better children than the people that aren't in that industry for multiple reasons one
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Jolie Elenathe person that is in the industry is more likely to be in that industry for a reason second the partner that they choose to have children with and reproduce with um is most likely also
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Jolie Elenanot going to be the ideal partner to raise a child with third um there's going to be um there's a more
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Jolie Elenapossibility for that child to grow up with shame um we've seen example examples of this already on social media uh children speaking out of how embarrassed they are because of the
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Jolie Elenaindustry that their parents or mother Works in um so yeah I just I think it's irresponsible and
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Jolie ElenaI um I think one of the greatest contributions to society is how you raise a child and paying attention to
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Selena Imaieven the partner you choose to make that child with and all of those other things I mentioned do you agree with her yes um I don't agree but I'm tired after yelling
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Jolie Elenalike I'm just like I don't even I'm like I wish we could talk about that before the yell I I really yeah I got you I really appreciate like how humble you are about
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Jolie Elenait um I truly care like I really do care about Society I I really care for the world to be a better place which is why I would never yell at you because I know that's not how I'm going to get to you
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Jolie Elenaor change your mind I genuinely care about like you understanding yeah no I appreciate um I appreciate um which why I also like I
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Jolie Elenawas I thought we were cool but now I'm just like I'm like no like that's annoying like I CU it seems like a person just
02:42:29
Brian Atlaswants to argue rather than actually help right right looking at me okay uh really quick question I know
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Brian Atlasyou guys is it unmute yet or no is it unmute is she is it been 10 uh we're at like no it's like one minute one minute on the unmute uh this would be a good
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Brian AtlasAndrew unmuted yeah you're unmuted Nick okay so you guys had a bit of a back and forth a heated exchange about
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Brian Atlasthe that she's involved in porn uh isn't that precisely what you do no I'm not like having sex on camera you've never done that I mean
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Andrew Wilsonprivately but there's no like you've never done BG content no okay all right but that's my choice I mean so can you confirm something for me so somebody
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allysent me a text I I guess it's familiar with your work and you can my work your work okay well it has gotten leaked before cuz I have gotten a leak but it was like against my will and that person
02:45:52
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyis actually getting investigated by the FBI and facing 6 months in prison nice so yeah laugh all you want he lives in Seattle his name is Sam he's 55 years old and he will be going to prison all I
02:46:05
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydidn't know any of that but they were saying hi hi my special agent that well the message I got said this and you can just you can confirm or deny but I guess you were on a live stream and gave
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allysomebody a blowy is that right no no no no a live stream I've only done um Adam ice Poseidon a long time ago and then I've
02:46:27
Andrew Wilsondone my own live streams but no I've never gave I look I don't know the context I'm just asking that's not true okay yeah I I if it was true I will sit here and I will stand on it so what what
02:46:39
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyabout their argument that I was actually trying to be positive and trying to say hey you're 19 when I was 19 I was in university why not you know try
02:46:49
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allysomething to do better you know end 18 and 19y olds that don't even give their life a chance that just jump straight into it it's like you know why didn't you try to you know when I was 18 I worked at McDonald's truth well hang on
02:47:02
Andrew Wilsonhang on let me ask my second question all right so you can confirm this for me or deny it is this the only child you have is with this guy yeah I can't have any more children okay um like medically yeah okay so then I'll die that's so
02:47:14
Andrew Wilsonthat's all good that's the only one you have that's the only child I have yeah with my so I just wanted to just wanted to clarify I unfortunately cannot have any
02:47:23
Andrew Wilsonmore children okay so so now they made essentially their argument to you is H how's a prostitute calling me out on prostitution that's the argument essentially mhm I mean I'm not a
02:47:35
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyprostitute I have an only fans but I've also I've made a lot more money than these girls sitting right here so do you know what even you know people in my family have encouraged me to keep an only fans because it generates more
02:47:48
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyincome why I just sit in my house all day and just live off my savings I could do that but eventually you know that money is going to run out maybe like in 10 15 years whatever it may take so wait
02:47:59
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allya second you're rich but you have I also spend $32,000 in a month well how much do you make on your only fans it doesn't matter I don't I don't want to say exactly as a percentage of your income I thought
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou're a millionaire no I'm not a millionaire I said she said but I'm saying if I sat at my house all day and just said okay I'm going to live off my savings mhm okay and I just had a
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyC-section I can't like hypothetically if I were to work it's going to be hard and you know I just had the baby a month ago so I mean I can't really like so but I mean if you're if you're making excuses
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyto do sex work how can you lecture people for making excuses when they're doing sex work I mean they're young so I was I had a good you're [ __ ] young you're young I'm almost 30 I'm almost 30 you're not walking around with a walker
02:48:47
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyGrandma right old but I mean you know I consider myself old unfortunately so when I see like young girls I'm like you know you should have at least given it a chance