Cat Fight RAGE QUIT! BIG ANNOUNCEMENT! Andrew Wilson IN STUDIO! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #182
Date: 2024-07-29
Duration: 6h 52m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Jolie Elena(guest)
SPEAKER_03Selena Imai(guest)
SPEAKER_04MJ / Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_05Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas (fragments)(host)
SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_12TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_14Andrew Wilson(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:23
IntroBrian Atlas opens show, apologizes for late start due to no-shows/flakes.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:02:50
IntroMJ introduces: age 22, UCSB grad (film/media and religious studies double major), Palm Springs, unemployed.
“my name is MJ I'm 22 years old um I am a recent UCSB graduate and I studied film and media and religious studies”
00:03:37
IntroSelena introduces: age 19, from LA, occupation is porn star since January 2024.
“my name is Selena I'm 19 I'm from LA and my occupation is porn star”
00:03:49
IntroCC (Claudia) introduces: age 20, pharmacy tech. Roommate had family emergency.
“hi my name's Claudia I go by CC um I'm 20 years old and my occupation is I'm a pharmacy tech”
00:04:33
IntroJesse Taylor introduces: 26, Clearwater FL/LA, CX Network, TikTok #1 comedy, OnlyFans, music, property, getting married, has a baby.
“hi I'm Jesse Taylor I am from Clearwater Florida born and raised and I live out in Los Angeles um I own property um I manage my property I was fortunate enough to buy my house in cash”
00:06:30
IntroJolie Elena introduces: 19, criminology/justice studies bachelor's (simultaneously earned associate's), content creator @jolieelena on TikTok/Instagram/YouTube.
“hello my name is Jolie Elena I am 19 years old um I just graduated from cesson with my bachelor's in criminology and Justice studies”
00:07:30
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces: host of The Crucible (fastest growing YouTube debate channel), political analyst.
“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing YouTube debate channel”
00:08:02
OtherBig announcement: Brian and Andrew launch debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course. 80+ videos, 6 hours.
“me and Andrew have uh teamed up we've released a course called verbal combat that's available at debate university.com”
02:51:40
ControversyJesse escalates fight: threatens to sue, calls Selena a prostitute, brags about having $100k cash, calls others broke losers. Near-physical confrontation.
“until you have $100,000 in cash I don't want you to talk to me okay bring me $100,000”
03:09:10
ControversyJesse Taylor rage-quits the show after mic mute by viewer Gerald. Andrew says 'give us the rage quit'. Jesse leaves saying 'I think I should go'.
“I think I should just remove myself before I anybody else... I think I should go”
03:10:00
OtherBrian pops champagne after Jesse's rage quit. Thanks Gerald for the mic mute donation. Called it 'scary'. Praised Selena for handling it 'like a trooper'.
“scary um you handle that like a TR good job uh AB Che thank for the gift to 20 memberships”
03:13:46
OtherBrian introduces Morgan as replacement guest mid-show. Morgan is 18, city college, political science.
“welcome we have Morgan joining us Morgan uh do you want to introduce yourself Morgan”
03:14:10
IntroMorgan introduces: 18, city college, political science major.
“okay that's it they know go to the city college and I'm majoring in political”
03:14:40
OtherRatings round begins: Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10, can't pick 7.
“ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of one to 10 can't pick seven”
03:47:20
QuoteJolie presents anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power over men.
“there's scarcity in um there's value in not being sexually promiscuous and and there's so much value that comes from it that you'll be treated much better for it”
04:54:12
QuoteWhatever stats displayed: 181 episodes, 1,381 guest appearances, 80% non-sex-worker vs 20% sex worker/OF.
“181 episodes longest show was number 177 longest show 9 hours... 1,381 guests we've had 168 repeat appearances”
05:37:09
ControversyBody count round. Selena: porn body count ~100 scenes; civilian count unclear (~10 estimated). CC: stated 5 (with ambiguous 'multiply by 3' comment).
“what's everybody's body count... starting with Selena what is uh body count um I don't know my body count but I don't count the porn bodies”
05:46:00
QuoteBrian offers Selena a call to action: commit on the podcast to quit sex work entirely.
“would you consider stopping sex work entirely and making a commitment on the whatever podcast to stop”
06:00:00
OtherAndrew asks Selena to confirm definitionally: men pay her for penetrative sex on camera = prostitution?
“you can confirm that men do pay you to have penetrative sex on camera for the purposes of sexually gratifying other people”
06:30:00
OtherShow end. Brian thanks panel; 'only the DJs (Selena and CC) made it to the end'. Raid to SandTV.
“GG well played to the panel those of you who made it to the goddamn end... W Selena W CeCe”
Topics Discussed
00:00:23
Show open / announcements / debate university promo
Brian opens show with announcements. Apologizes for late start due to no-shows and flakes. Guests introduce themselves. Big announcement: debateuniversity.com 'Verbal Combat' course (80+ videos, 6 hours) launched by Brian and Andrew Wilson. Trailer played.
00:02:50
Guest introductions / relationship status round
All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Relationship status round follows — each guest shares current status, longest relationship. MJ discusses 'special connections' vs dating; Selena discusses only-fans/porn work context; Jesse discusses engagement and baby; CC discusses long-term boyfriend since age 14; Jolie discusses views on promiscuity and dating standards.
01:34:40
Traditional relationships / submissiveness debate
Selena discusses wanting traditional dominant-submissive dynamic despite her porn career. Andrew and Brian challenge the contradiction. Selena cannot articulate what she brings to the table. Discussion on what men with traditional values would want from a partner.
01:36:00
Age gap dating debate
Discussion on older men dating younger women. Whether men who date younger women are predatory or simply more attractive. MJ argues circumstantial; Andrew argues generalizations are valid. CC (SPEAKER_05) makes biological clock arguments. Jolie (SPEAKER_02) discusses benefits of dating older men. Panel mostly concedes age gaps are acceptable.
01:53:20
Porn industry / long-term consequences debate
Extended debate on whether Selena's porn career will have long-term consequences for relationships. Andrew argues risk mitigation logic; Selena acknowledges consequences but continues. CC (Jesse/SPEAKER_05) escalates argument with Selena about hypocrisy (OnlyFans vs porn). Family structure arguments; Christian household upbringing; parental acceptance. Andrew offers: 'If you quit now you have a good chance it gets buried.'
02:51:40
Jesse Taylor rage quit / cat fight
Jesse (SPEAKER_05) escalates fight with CC and Selena. Rapid insults about body count, OnlyFans, money, property, intelligence. Near-physical confrontation (~2:21). Jesse gets mic-muted by viewer Gerald (mic mute donation). Jesse rage-quits at ~3:09:10. Brian pops champagne afterward. Panel discusses Jesse's behavior; chat later DMs Brian with alleged sex videos of Jesse.
03:14:40
Self-ratings round (looks 1-10, can't pick 7)
Brian asks panel to rate looks 1-10 (can't pick 7, after Morgan joins). MJ: 8 -> 6. CC/others: 8 -> 6. Selena: 8 (face 6, body 8) -> 3 vs Megan Fox. Jolie: 8 -> 4-5 vs Megan Fox. Morgan: 6.5. Andrew: 4 then 5. Andrew challenges the concept of subjective self-rating without objective comparison. Chat votes Jolie over 38-year-old Megan Fox.
03:14:40
Will women age better debate
Andrew asks if panel will be better looking in 10-20 years. Jolie thinks yes at 29, uncertain at 39. CC thinks she'll peak in her 30s-40s. Selena thinks she could be a milf at 40. Brian argues most 35-40yo women are not as attractive as 19-20yo women; panel concedes.
03:47:20
Promiscuity / body count / sexual standards debate
Jolie presents strong anti-promiscuity argument: female sexual scarcity is women's power; sleeping around destroys dating market. Debate on whether men caring about body count is insecure. Selena defends not judging body count; says men who care about body count due to comparison anxiety are insecure. Andrew presents evolutionary paternity uncertainty argument for male disgust at promiscuity.
04:00:00
Polygamy / red pill ideology critique
Jolie critiques Fresh & Fit style influencers promoting polygamy. Andrew presents evolutionary argument for why asymmetric polygamy (one man, many women) is more evolutionarily stable than polyandry. Debate on whether normalizing it on platforms is harmful. Jolie agrees with Islamic polygamy context (historical scarcity of men) but disagrees with modern normalization.
04:21:40
Feminist identification / women on easy mode debate
Brian asks if anyone considers themselves feminist. Selena: technically yes but doesn't label herself. Others similar. Andrew: if you believe in equality you can't avoid the feminist label if you think women need advocates. All agree women have it on easy mode for quantity of dating. Jolie argues women have it easier for quantity but harder for quality. Andrew challenges the quality/quantity framing.
04:54:05
Debate university / verbal combat announcement (second plug)
Brian and Andrew re-announce debateuniversity.com Verbal Combat course launch. 80+ videos, 6 hours of content. Monthly Q&A membership group. Brian tipsy from champagne pops during announcement.
04:54:12
Whatever stats review (181 episodes)
Brian displays audience-compiled Whatever Podcast stats: 181 episodes, longest show #177 at 9 hours. 1,381 total guest appearances, 168 repeat appearances, 1,145 unique guests. Top guests: Andrew (36x), Chase (13x), Q (11x), Prio (9x), Shania (9x). Average guest age: 25. Relationship status breakdown: mostly single. Sex worker breakdown: ~80% non-sex worker, ~17% OnlyFans, ~3% professional sex worker.
04:55:00
Women's voting rights / military draft debate
Andrew argues women should not be able to vote for politicians who can send men to war when women cannot be drafted. Selena struggles with the logic. Andrew offers compromise: women can only vote on non-military matters. Selena concedes she hadn't considered voting. Panel discussion on women's rights being secured by male soldiers (force doctrine).
05:01:40
Dad bod vs six pack debate
Brian reacts to tweet claiming women prefer dad bods over six packs. Panel discusses whether the 'dad bod' shown is actually average. Jason Momoa comparison. Brief discussion on body hair, shaving.
05:37:09
Body count reveal round
Brian asks everyone's body count. Selena: civilian ~10 (uncertain); porn scenes ~100 in 7 months; worked with ~4 women and many men (some repeats). Jesse (already left). CC: approximately 5 (said '5, multiply by 3 for the real number'). Morgan/Maddie: 'if you know you know'. Jolie implied zero (virgin). Discussion on porn body count vs civilian body count distinction.
06:00:00
Selena / prostitution definition debate
Andrew asks Selena whether men paying her for penetrative sex on camera is prostitution by definition. Selena disagrees; does not consider herself a prostitute. Andrew walks through the definitional argument. Brian asks Selena to commit on the show to quitting porn; she declines.
Transcript
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03:45:33
Jolie Elenayes what does that go ahead I believe that sexual promiscuity once again the same way uh being in the corn industry damages Society I think sexual
03:45:45
Jolie Elenadamages society and ruins the dating game and ruins it for everyone people who don't even deserve it to be ruined for I think people and women preach about women empowerment through sleeping
03:45:58
Jolie Elenaaround but it's actually the opposite it's what's the opposite of ower depower um
03:46:06
Jolie Elenabecause there's scarcity in um there's value in not being sexually Pro promiscuous and and there's so much value that comes from it that you'll be
03:46:18
Jolie Elenatreated much better for it than when you are sexual promiscuous and um I think when women complain about
03:46:29
Jolie Elenahaving a hard time finding a man it's because women are casually sleeping with them to the point where men have SE no point in putting effort into a date or
03:46:39
Jolie Elenapaying on paying for the day or Romancing them like romance is just done chivalry is dead because women are giving it up easily like that's the
03:46:49
Jolie Elenathat's the power that women have over men just as it is like that's what we have over men I think that's where our power comes from is our
03:47:01
Jolie Elenakeeping our sexuality um for one person or less people and you said you can argue why body count does matter yes and you
03:47:14
Brian Atlasbelieve it's wrong for both men and women to casually sleep around let's go around the table though first uh so do you think men who care about a woman's
03:47:25
Brian Atlasbody count are insecure starting with you no do you object to men having that preference like if a guy didn't want to
03:47:37
Selena Imaidate a girl because she was promiscuous you object to that no okay okay what about you um I think it's a little insecure because I
03:47:49
Selena Imaimean me personally I don't judge if a guy has a high body count so I would expect the same a little insecure okay um and what about if a guy won't
03:48:01
Brian Atlasdate you because of the work you do also insecure or that's fine I'm not going to force you to date me like whatever does make does it make them insecure no that's his decision but how how's that
03:48:13
Selena Imaidifferent than a guy not wanting to date you because of your body count well with body count I was just saying I don't judge your body count so for me like it
03:48:26
Selena Imaiwould be a little insecure because they're judging mine I guess right but like why is that make them insecure um I don't know maybe they're worried I mean I've heard this from a
03:48:36
Selena Imaifew guys like they're worried that their sexual skills don't compare to other men so like sure that's kind of what I'm thinking about when I say that mhm what if the guy is confident that
03:48:49
Brian Atlashe's good in the bedroom he just doesn't want to date a girl who's had a bunch of bodies that's fine that's his decision okay is he still insecure though um I
03:49:00
Brian Atlasmean I guess not mhm but you're saying it would be insecure if he was like worried about his how he measures up to other guys she
03:49:10
Brian Atlasslept with right yeah but if but I'm sure you can agree that there might be other reasons why guy might not want to date a girl with a high body
03:49:20
Brian Atlascount yeah so what if the reasons are those and have nothing to do with him not feeling like he would measure
03:49:31
Selena Imaiup I mean I guess like if you change factors mhm I mean if a man is secure in saying I want a woman who's a virgin or I want a woman with the body count under
03:49:42
Selena Imaifive that means that he's secure in what he wants but if a man um rejects me for a high body count because he is worried about like I don't know um how he
03:49:55
Selena Imaicompares to other men sexually that would be a rooted insecurity and most of the men that I've talked to that do judge body count it was because of that that's what they told me but again that
03:50:07
Brian Atlaswas just what I was I do have a question on that so
03:50:12
Brian Atlasum I guess well we'll perhaps get this a bit uh okay we'll go there so as a woman
03:50:22
Brian AtlasI'm just curious I'm genuinely curious if you found out and I'll know the degree of your I don't know if you found out that a guy had been with a girl
03:50:32
Brian Atlaspreviously who was like multi-orgasmic came super easily he had to do nothing basically whereas for you I don't know what the case is for you but let's let's
03:50:43
Brian Atlassay that you struggle to climax during sex maybe you can't even climax during sex but this last girl could come 10 times just from
03:50:54
Brian Atlasintercourse MH would that make you what well it's true that [ __ ] happens uh would would that make you
03:51:02
Selena Imaifeel insecure no it would make that you're nothing not not me personally no because I mean with everybody everybody
03:51:13
Selena Imaihas something especially for women I feel like it's harder to climax than a man during sex so it's like I feel like you know when you're in a relationship your partner would cater to your needs
03:51:25
Brian Atlasfor you to climax but I don't get insecure if a girl can climax easier just from like my perspective of being a woman the sex that he had with his
03:51:35
Brian Atlasprevious girl was undeniably better because of the ease with which she could climax mhm I it doesn't make me feel insecure
03:51:46
Brian Atlasno not insecure even if the sex with her was better than the sex it was with you yeah I don't feel insecure oh okay all
03:51:55
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyright uh so going to you object to uh men caring about body count um I think that genuinely it's not being insecure just because like let's say I wouldn't want to you know mess with a guy that
03:52:07
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyhas more than a body count than 10 just simply because in the like like world that we live in everybody just messes with everybody like literally I I'm not even going to talk about that but like
03:52:17
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allytalk about it no I can't talk about that [ __ ] do it like it's just a lot because like you can have you know you could be talking to somebody and then like you know they ended up you know you never knew that but they messed with your friend too and it's like oh [ __ ] you
03:52:30
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyknow like what do you do then does that happen to you a lot yes because I I live in a small like I live literally live in LA like Downey area like everybody knows everybody it's crazy it's crazy son uh
03:52:43
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywhat about you um I don't think it's about being like insecure I don't really care what preferences like a guy has about that okay Jo well Jolie we've
03:52:54
Brian Atlasalready heard your take on that um now you said that uh you said your general stance on MAR dating is that it's gone completely downhill I believe both men and women have just lost their
03:53:05
Brian Atlassenses and standards you have a few hot takes you support a dominant man submissive woman relationship Traditional Values you believe sex work har Society porn harm Society gender is not social construct there are some
03:53:18
Brian Atlasissues with the wokeness community um and but all that aside excuse me you said you wanted to debate the extreme red pill
03:53:30
Jolie Elenaideology I don't know if you categorize this podcast as that but I wrote that a long time ago so um like um I wouldn't
03:53:41
Jolie Elenasay necessarily debate it but like I want to it's more like I can I've seen extreme Parts where like I I remember you had forgot her name but she was
03:53:54
Jolie Elenasaying don't you think it's a limited mindset that you cannot commit to one girl and that's an extreme that's something that I find in extreme is when a man says that
03:54:04
Jolie Elenathey or encourages like if you want to do that individually sure but if you're encouraging that it's okay to for men to sleep around while women
03:54:15
Jolie Elenaaren't I think that's harmful because I think it breaks women women what not women women women oh sorry thank you um what is hold on you see how far the
03:54:28
SandTV (raid target)termites have spread and how long and well they've done okay rip Christopher Hitchens okay
03:54:39
Jolie Elenaum what makes that red pill ideology I don't know um I mean that's just what people
03:54:47
Jolie Elenacategor categorize it as like uh just people on social media like they can you name one um no but that doesn't mean I I I
03:55:00
Brian Atlashaven't seen it I just I'm not going to remember well you're talking about when Lyla Rose was on with Justin W yes lla Rose yeah and so I mean I actually I mean I think there's actually an evolutionary
03:55:11
Brian Atlasargument that can be made for why this exists now I'm not saying it's right I actually believe that uh it's better U I think monogamy is better I think uh I don't think men or women should be
03:55:22
Brian Atlaspromiscuous but I actually do think that there can be an argument to be made for uh men Desiring that sort of arrangement I understand it I just don't
03:55:34
Jolie Elenaagree with when people with big platforms like that I don't know his name that was with lla rose um Justin
03:55:44
Jolie Elenayes I just don't agree with that being advertised because men will see it who aren't on his level of um you know richness and we think that applies to
03:55:56
Jolie Elenahim wait so you're saying a guy has to be rich to be able to pull that off well it's definitely more ethical than if you're broke because you're at least providing some type of value but even
03:56:06
Brian Atlasthen I hold on wait wa hold on if you have sex with a guy the guy has sex with you it's an equal value EXP exchange what repeat that it's a sex is an equal
03:56:18
Brian Atlasvalue exchange a lot of women don't view it that way but sex if I get sex you get sex too and I can actually make an argument y'all are the ones that can come like multiple times that's not what
03:56:30
Jolie ElenaI believe Val part that's not the part that I'm arguing isn't valuable what I'm arguing is women do get jealous and they do like loyalty on the other end and if
03:56:40
Jolie Elenathey're sorry I think I am saying women I just don't think I'm pronouncing it I do say women well you I could totally wrong I don't know we'll I'll rewatch it
03:56:49
Jolie Elenayou could totally be right sorry but um I just believe that either way it is harmful because what I what what I care about
03:57:01
Jolie Elenathe most is family structure that's the emphasis so anytime I disagree with the corn industry um sexual promiscuity it's because it destroys the family structure
03:57:12
Jolie ElenaJustin is that his name mhm he I don't know him personally but I know from what it how he speaks he probably has multiple families that don't have him
03:57:23
Jolie Elenaalways present and I actually think that's a root to the issues that we like sexual promiscuity and people going to the corn industry it's from a lack of a father in the home people like
03:57:34
Jolie Elenato say oh fatherless activities and it's well I agree but I also agree that we shouldn't have fathers handling multiple families even if they say they can I do not think that's help
03:57:45
Jolie ElenaI have a dad I understand that but I have a dad too but it doesn't mean it's always um I want to hear your Evolution argument huh I want to hear your Evolution argument against this okay
03:57:59
Brian Atlasso if a woman has 10 husbands and they're all they're all sleeping with her who's the father you don't know
03:58:10
Brian Atlaswhereas if a man has 10 wives you know who the father is in each instance and you know who the mother is in each instance so on that basis and
03:58:20
Brian Atlasthis is one of the reasons not just for kind of why that sort of arrangement might be more appealing to men and
03:58:28
Brian Atlasunappealing in the reverse uh it's also a strong argument when it comes to men's stronger um shoot what's it called men's
03:58:39
Brian Atlasstronger disgust response to promis promiscuity and women
03:58:49
Brian Atlaswait what so okay I know the body count thing is separate but men's stronger disgust response when it comes to female promiscuity one of those reasons is due
03:58:59
Brian Atlasto paternity uncertainty so if a woman's promiscuous and she is sleeping with 10 10 men this is before the age of DNA
03:59:08
Brian Atlastest right yeah uh you can't determine who the father is so it's a major uh major one of the biggest uh L's a man
03:59:19
Brian Atlascan take in his life is to be raising like a child who he thinks is his who he's been tricked into believing is his but actually isn't um so I think that's
03:59:31
Brian Atlaswhy that Arrangement is I'm not advocating for that sort of arrangement but I I can understand why it's uh perhaps more acceptable yeah I I agree I never disagreed on why it's more
03:59:43
Jolie Elenaaccept acceptable I definitely agree that if it's going to happen if it's going to be done that way it should be like that I just disagree with having it on a platform and encouraging it or
03:59:54
Jolie Elenamaking it normal normalizing it I think Andrew Tay and sneo I love Andrew T the only part is like I don't really agree with is when he'll say stuff like oh and
04:00:06
Jolie Elenawhat's his religion his Muslim they're like they're like okay they're like um oh in our religion we can have four wives but that
04:00:19
Jolie Elenathat there's a context to that you can have four wives because um I mean it says that they can have four wives because I believe it's because there was a scarcity of men that could take care
04:00:30
Jolie Elenaof a w like a w their wies so multiple women would have would be dependent because women were dependent on men they needed to kind of share the husband what changed
04:00:41
Jolie Elenaum in this Society I don't think there's a scarcity like right now we're women AR entirely dependent in like as they are
04:00:51
Andrew Wilsonin that context or culture so why so while I agree with you in principle that um that polygamy is bad polygamy and
04:01:00
Andrew Wilsonpolygamy is bad yeah there's a big huge gaping hole in your argument okay which is your referencing hypergamy this is
04:01:10
Andrew Wilsonthe idea that women will go towards man who has a ton of resources and so you point this out you say there's a scarcity of men who have the resources that can take care of x amount of women
04:01:22
Andrew Wilsonbut wouldn't it follow then that women would be attracted to men who have the capability of doing that for them um yes there are wom so then in modernity that
04:01:33
Andrew Wilsonwould still include a small select few amount of men who could do that yeah so then I don't see what the disagreement
04:01:43
Jolie Elenawould actually be I just I disagree with um the way it's portrayed on social media like if you like I could you could I could you
04:01:54
Jolie Elenacould totally flame me for this but the way I perceive or the way it comes across is that these people a lot of these influencers like on fresh and fit my and agitates Nico Justin they're like
04:02:04
Jolie Elenaoh I'm traditional we love traditional women but they aren't traditional and they are in some ways but they they're they have this platform and other people are going to see what they're doing and it's not going to
04:02:17
Jolie Elenacontribute to society they're going to have multiple families multiple and although there's women that are attracted to it I could also argue not every woman is in love maybe like I
04:02:30
Jolie Elenaunderstand attracted and can grow to love a man but it's it I guess it's a to each know what you value like if like personally if I was a man I would have some sort of insecurity if like a woman needs to be
04:02:42
Jolie Elenawith me and I like you know what I'm saying like I need to sleep around I can only sleep around if like so let's well let's back up do you think that hypergamy is real
04:02:54
Jolie Elenayes then I don't understand your argument okay I just think it's you know technically it's ethical to you know be hypergamous and then have the man sleep around it's value in that
04:03:07
Jolie Elenathere's value that they're providing to each other and it's fair but to society and to kids it's ruining the family structure that's what I mainly then how is it ethical it's ethical in the context that for like between the two people in the in the relationship okay
04:03:20
Andrew Wilsonit works for them but the kids are being affected and the family is being affected well what what is our ethical standard we're using here for this arm is are you just using like a basic harm
04:03:30
Jolie Elenaethical standard um psychological harms are multiple factors that could lower the value of a good family like like I said to her I
04:03:41
Jolie Elenadon't like even if kids will turn out fine I don't it's comes off as mediocre it's not the intention of having the best for that kid and and you're not looking for what's
04:03:52
Jolie Elenabest for them if you're okay with the father going back and forth between families and also for overall Society men aren't being encouraged to live a fulfilling life and have deeper
04:04:06
Jolie Elenaconnections where they're just committed to one woman if they're sleeping around Okay so those guys aren't here Tate's not here
04:04:17
Brian AtlasWaller's not here it's not a position I hold don't really feel inclined to Devil's Advocate their position so moving on uh you said you disagreed with the host what uh you disagreed with the
04:04:29
Brian Atlashost was when they were kind of mocking or calling this girl a dictator in her marriage for finding her husband through rotational dating you do believe
04:04:38
Jolie Elenarotational dating is good for women uh so rotational dating means what exactly um so the I've seen people on
04:04:49
Jolie ElenaTik Tok completely not use that term correctly and make it like they ended up just like hoing around but in this specific
04:05:00
Jolie Elenaepisode you had someone who rotationally dated which meant that she would date she wouldn't kiss wouldn't touch wouldn't even hold their hand and she would just get to know them
04:05:12
Jolie Elenathrough conversation look at their values and then whoever was the best for her in her eyes and her rotation she would marry or the person that like proposed I don't know what her standards
04:05:23
Jolie Elenawere but it's very similar to how women used to kind of
04:05:29
Jolie Elenadate like no nothing intimate physically um just see what's out there and so you
04:05:39
Brian Atlasso you're saying a woman should for example be dating five men at the same time and pick the best one um talking to them if that's what we
04:05:50
Jolie Elenaconsider cuz some people don't consider that dating uh T like talking to them just talking yes if you cross the line and you turn into something physical that's where it's wrong if you're being physical with five people at the same
04:06:02
Jolie Elenatime that's wrong but if you're talking to them just talking to them that's so what about just going on dates but nothing physical happens that's good that's good so for example I really like
04:06:12
Brian Atlasthis girl and I take her on a date and then she goes on a date with another guy immediately after my date with her I
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Jolie Elenamean totally cool no problems yeah if she's open about it and most like she's open she tells me this yeah I mean most likely the guy most likely people who are going on dates
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Jolie ElenaAren't Loyal I mean they're on that date for a reasons cuz they're single and they want to get to know people so they're getting to know people multiple times they're not being loyal to anyone or commit it to anyone and most likely
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Jolie Elenapeople aren't going to do two dates on the same day but if it had to then sure I mean no problem yeah well I suppose a a woman could do that yeah she could do
04:06:56
Brian Atlasthat from the guy's perspective though uh which you seem to often ignore uh no I'm willing to I trust me I right so at least in in my book so even
04:07:08
Brian Atlasif I'm on a first date with a girl and she tells me by the way I have a date with a guy mhm after I hang out with you I've instantly lost all interest I don't
04:07:20
Brian Atlascare how attractive she is I don't care how cool she is well she's just been she's precluded from me ever taking her seriously is she states it in that way like I'm going on a day after you like
04:07:31
Jolie Elenait doesn't no no no she could say it in the most congenial polite way possible I would still just disregard her what if you she told you I'm going uh like if
04:07:44
Jolie Elenayou cuz on the first day you're getting to know each other and you're trying to see each other's values you get to know her values and you ask her are you traditional and how do you date like how do you and it comes up that well I'm traditional I'm a virgin I don't sleep
04:07:56
Jolie Elenaaround I don't touch I don't kiss I don't do any of that she's never kissed someone and she's like and I'm dating around and I'm a virgin I'm just waiting
04:08:05
Jolie Elenatill marriage and I'm mols shouldn't ask me that go ahead continue and and she goes on to she lets you know that she's going on a second date because she's
04:08:15
Jolie Elenalooking because of how picky she is on who she's going to lose her virginity to okay but so we have 52 weeks in a
04:08:28
Brian Atlasyear so let's let's just say like why do you need to go on five dates in a week like
04:08:38
Brian Atlaseven if I grant you as a woman like do you think going on one date a week is is like that's too little that would be 52 first dates in a year are you that
04:08:50
Brian Atlaspressed when it comes to your dating life that you got to be dating like five dudes at the same time like 52 first dates in a year is a [ __ ] ton of people I wouldn't argue for like dat and I
04:09:03
Jolie Elenawould like I'm not arguing like dat like talk to people have five days in a week what I that's what rotational dating is isn't it no rotational dating like the woman that you brought on is when you're
04:09:14
Jolie Elenatalking to people you don't have to have five dates with them in the same week it means you're talking to them so like you yeah I wouldn't be interested in that
04:09:24
Jolie Elenagirl I mean that's you I me I at Le look maybe my standards are a little crazy that's kind of the point of rotational dating is to eliminate who is who works for you and who doesn't and as you guys
04:09:35
Jolie Elenaunderstand the value that dating P value is the most women have the most when they're young which is why they don't have time to waste their time is precious and they need to they need to hurry up if they're looking to marry and they want to lose their virginity to
04:09:47
Brian Atlassomeone special not have time around might save you time and it might work for you I'm just saying that at least my standard would be if we go on the first
04:09:58
Brian Atlasdate and if you're like going on a date later that night I would feel kind of weird about it but I'll say this if I go on a first date with a girl and if she wants a second dat with me and there's
04:10:10
Brian Atlasother dudes in the picture I'm not interested I mean I'm arguing that there's nothing wrong with rotational dating and most likely someone that's doing rotational dating you can look as
04:10:20
Brian Atlasa girl you can do it I'm just saying I think you have the potential there to lose a guy who you would otherwise like and secondly I'm actually advising men
04:10:31
Brian Atlasif you I mean look if you're interested in something serious as a guy if you go on the first date with a girl she wants a second date and she's still dating
04:10:41
Andrew Wilsonother dudes I think it's a rap I think it has to be a rap yeah I mean you dis yeah yeah I do I mean she's right right so I'm trying to think of it from her perspective from from a woman's
04:10:54
Andrew Wilsonperspective here and even from a man's perspective if the idea is that Chastity and virginity is virtuous and it's
04:11:04
Andrew Wilsonimportant and you have knowledge that this woman is willing to marry you while she's young knowing that that is a thing of value and if she dates she's not
04:11:14
Andrew Wilsonhaving physical intimacy with any men I don't actually see why that would be problematic what do you mean well how would it actually be problematic if
04:11:26
Andrew Wilsonshe's let's say a woman's dating five different guys but is physically intimate with none of them and is a chased virgin isn't that like if you if you had a daughter if you were going to advise
04:11:38
Brian Atlasher in dating and he wanted her to get the best spouse possible wouldn't you advise her to have a physical relationship with none but to date many well I mean I would say that while I
04:11:50
Brian Atlasmean they in terms of her sexual attention you're saying she's not having sex with anybody yeah uh that's off the table her romantic interest is divided
04:12:00
Brian Atlasso uh in the same way that you could cheat on a partner you're an option you could cheat on a partner without having sex with somebody else for me and look people have different timelines as to
04:12:12
Brian Atlaswhat's acceptable when what's not acceptable yeah I and also I would just think like even if she goes on this if I go on a first date with a girl first date and
04:12:22
Brian Atlasshe tells me I have another date planned immediately after some people might not have an issue with that I just feel like that's just kind of generally
04:12:33
Andrew Wilsondisrespectful um she's she can do it that's just how I I would feel think it would be dis I mean that's fair I'm I'm trying to think of how you have a wind
04:12:45
Andrew Wilsoncondition so what's the wind condition in dating so I think the wind condition for for most young men is I want a woman with a really low body count virgin
04:12:54
Andrew Wilsonpreferably um but if I'm going to get this valuable thing which is a virgin going to bury bury my children they have X amount of years like she she points out we have very few years that are
04:13:07
Andrew Wilsonfertile to give you lots of children if they're starting at 22 23 that's good right 26 27 H not so great so if we're
04:13:17
Andrew Wilsontalking about a limited window between 18 24 what have got 6 years um it seems like if they were outdating uh multiple men but having a physical relationship with none of them that that
04:13:29
Andrew Wilsonwould broaden their options to the point where they could try to select for that best partner it seems like it's a win condition for both well so I guess let me ask you this so you're saying This Woman's a virgin she's waiting until
04:13:41
Brian Atlasmarriage y um now in this scenario let's say she goes on just one date a week so that this scenario of and
04:13:52
Brian Atlaslike if she likes the guy she'll continue seeing him and she won't date other men she won't go on dates with other men but you're saying well if she has the opportunity to kind of be uh
04:14:03
Brian Atlasconsidering multiple suitors not sex just on Dat multiple suitors say five suitors at the same same time So within a a week or two period she's gone on
04:14:16
Brian Atlasfive dates with these different men and she's she's still kind of considering all of them so she's going to continue going on second dates I mean I would think that a woman who's a virgin who's not immediately jumping into bed who's
04:14:27
Brian Atlasdesirous of marriage if there's 52 weeks and she starts dating at 18 there's 52 weeks in a year what would actually be wrong with her with just going on one
04:14:36
Andrew Wilsondate per week that would be 52 first dates in a year that's a lot of First Dates and so if we we expand that out well I mean we can we can say that right
04:14:47
Andrew Wilsonbut let's say it's uh it's every 3 days she's got the gold bar if she's got the gold bar everybody wants the gold bar she's got it and so
04:14:58
Andrew Wilsonif she does and it's that valuable and everybody else is wasting their gold bar so all women are all given this gold bar that all the men desire and they just like give it to them for free so one of them looks at it and says wait a second
04:15:09
Andrew Wilsonthis is really [ __ ] valuable yeah I can get what whatever I want with this why the [ __ ] would you discourage him right at that point it seems like
04:15:20
Jolie Elenathey did everything right the very same women that we're complaining about are the women that will give you the time for free just for you they will they will stop talking to other guys and then
04:15:32
Jolie Elenajust date you easily those are those the women that men say are ran through a lot of the times are women that have been in multiple relationships because they have been gone on the first date liked the
04:15:42
Jolie Elenaguy I decided to jump into a committed relationship then broke up it didn't work out because that was the only option they saw then they jumped into another relationship and then continue
04:15:52
Andrew Wilsonto sleep with them yeah I'm not sure about that but I am sure that um if if you're dating multiple suitors and you're not sleeping with
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Andrew Wilsonthem I don't see how the opposite sex could have an issue with that if they say well I just want pure exclusivity with you on the first date um I think that's good and on the first date not
04:16:15
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allylike on the first date but like if you really genu like me personally like I went on a DAT last week and I really love VI with this person but your gold bar is gone right huh your gold bar was already
04:16:26
Andrew Wilsongiven away for free right yeah so that's let's let us assume virginity is a golden bar that when you're born but half this generation no one's a virginity okay just because half of the people give away their gold bar 95% it's
04:16:39
Andrew Wilsona lot more than let's say okay let's say5 let's say 99% give in fact that's the best example let's say 99% give away the gold bar
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allydoesn't that make the remaining 1% of gold bars even more valuable exactly but a guy you think that a guy that wants a grow that's a gold bar also has his gold
04:16:58
Andrew Wilsonbar mhm but it doesn't no no no no hang on hang on back up who cares but it if the man who has his gold bar and doesn't have his gold bar and by the way for men
04:17:09
Selena Imaiit's not a gold bar for women it's a gold bar okay no so it's a different standard so it's just not fair well no no wait wait Fair wait a second who the hell who the
04:17:20
Andrew Wilsonhell said who the you said that women if you're a virgin it's a gold bar but if you're a guy it's okay not to be here's what gives things value what gives things value what gives the money in
04:17:30
Andrew Wilsonyour pocket value what gives that camera value what gives the screen value is the fact that people desire it MH as long as women desire men who don't have a gold bar men aren't ever going to keep a gold
04:17:43
Andrew Wilsonbar cuz women don't [ __ ] want a gold bar the distinction is is that men do and so that's what makes it valuable but men want a gold bar to satisfy their ego so right I would say there's like a hang
04:17:54
Andrew Wilsonon hang on so what do they want it yeah Okay then if they want it it's valuable right yeah then if it's valuable and you gave this really valuable thing away for
04:18:05
Andrew Wilsonfree and the chick next to you isn't she's like nah that was really dumb you had a million dooll gold bar and you just gave it to this [ __ ] [ __ ] okay okay what if what if like the guy that wants the gold bar he gets the gold
04:18:17
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybar he has her everything good to go but then he's like oh she's not a gold bar anymore let me go find another one that's why you wait till marriage but what if you really hard right what if you wait till marriage and you do it at
04:18:29
Andrew Wilsonthe first night and you're like oh damn I don't like this boy do you think so that's hey let's engage with the argument okay do you think that men who marry virgins on their wedding night are
04:18:42
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allymore like likely or less likely to get divorced more guess what you're going to this is going to blow your mind I'm wrong way less likely why would you say that is because they're like well damn
04:18:54
Andrew Wilsonlike I feel like there's more a relationship that's viable thanin might as well stay because it's because no it's because Chastity is directly linked with religion and so the more religious people are the more they tend to say
04:19:05
Andrew Wilsonchased and the thing it keeps their marriage together those are the men who they value virtue what if they're not religious if they're not religious they still value virtue and even in those relation scientifically tested yes even
04:19:18
Andrew Wilsonin well it you don't even have to scientifically test it you can use statistics true so even in I I mean that is science but it's it's not it's not hard science wait but using statistics
04:19:30
Andrew Wilsoneven virgin women who get married to non- virgin men who are secularist still end up staying married longer but they could they could like still stay married but what about is a man cheating that's
04:19:40
Andrew Wilsonwhat wait hold on I that's a whole do you think that a man cheating would be a requisite which would lead to divorce yes well then they must cheat less right you don't know that yes we do know that
04:19:52
Andrew Wilsonbecause we have the statistics on the reason given for divorce but everybody gets divorced for different reasons yes but they give a top four reasons okay and infidelity is low on the list it's usually just
04:20:04
Andrew Wilsonpartner dissatisfaction interestingly enough men who end up with virgins tend to have the least amount of partner dissatisfaction what a shock like sexually like in the like you know when they're having sex yeah I don't
04:20:16
Andrew Wilsonknow where this idea comes from that like and you should know this because of the industry you're in but all the parts basically work the same way with everybody they don't really work very
04:20:27
Andrew Wilsonvery differently between different people every man's penis is essentially designed for every woman's vagina and vice versa the idea of sexual
04:20:37
Andrew Wilsoncompatibility is not really a thing most people most people historically right they got married without ever having sex and they stayed married their whole lives and most of them had good sex
04:20:49
Andrew Wilsonlives because we designed to have sex with each other we're designed that way mhm you can sense the tension too without doing it like the chemistry yeah oh I'm really super attracted to you until I got you naked and had sex with
04:21:01
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyyou said no guy ever in history I know no yeah literally that that could be possible I could be super attracted to a guy I think he's super like you know cute but he's just like not like I just don't Vibe with him like like you know sex what are you comparing to though if
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Selena Imaihe's your only partner right so that's why they would stay very longer because they have nothing to this is bad why not well I mean it's like if there's better out there like
04:21:25
Selena Imaisexually so they should all so they should all be a bunch of skanks because they could find Mr Wright penis no no not at all what I was arguing um is that I feel like the or at least from my
04:21:36
Selena Imaiperspective the reason why a man would want a virgin is because the Virgin doesn't have anything to compare it to so there's no competition not just that it's just like they only had one
04:21:48
Andrew Wilsonboyfriend so what he should do so then let's use the reverse of this okay so would you advise a man then to go to his virgin soon to be wife and say you know
04:21:58
Selena Imaihoney should go out and [ __ ] at least 10 guys before we get married so you know that I'm the right one no but I then what would you bring up marriage lasting longer and I feel like it's just not
04:22:10
Selena Imairelevant to the factors of a marriage lasting longer just because she's only had one sexual partner you know why would that not be relevant I don't think
04:22:19
Selena Imaiit's relevant because there's like I feel like I've heard from women that were married or were in a committed relationship with one guy that like they weren't sexually satisfied but they
04:22:31
Andrew Wilsonstayed with them anyway you know what I mean so it's like oh darn I feel like they wait they were with the person that they loved and they weren't sexually satisfied so they got rid of their he
04:22:43
Andrew Wilsonso they set aside their Hedonism in order for to obtain higher value those sons of [ __ ] you realize that Hedonism and self-pleasure is not the
04:22:55
Andrew Wilsonpurpose of life and if you get married to somebody make a commitment to them why would it be a problem for you to keep a commitment because you feel like you're sat unsatisfied in a single area of life right and that's the that's the
04:23:07
Selena Imaicomplicated part that's why for me at least me personally like I would never marry some someone that I didn't know I had sexual chemistry with you know what I mean like that's why I do think you
04:23:18
Selena Imaican have sex before marriage because if you I feel like sexual chemistry is very important in the relationship I don't feel like sexual chemistry is hard between people I don't you pretty girl
04:23:29
Selena Imaiyou handsome guy they have it mostly works out don't agree because you don't agree right imagine it you can feel the because I've liked sex better with this person but maybe not with this guy you
04:23:40
Andrew Wilsonknow but it's like yeah but but this is because you're making a comparison between many guys assume for a second that you had what you consider right this second to be mediocre sex but you
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Andrew Wilsonjoke in your reality what does that mean thank you orl Lord he's just saying that once you put news of yourself out it's forever U or you have sex with guys on camera it's forever which is true of
04:24:24
Andrew Wilsoncourse but anyway so back to this assuming for a second you were a virgin you married a man you had what you would right now consider to be mediocre sex with that man but it was still the best
04:24:35
Andrew Wilsonfeeling thing you'd ever you'd ever had because there was nothing comp there was nothing else compared to how the world could you in the world could you make a reference that oh it could be better over here no no that's not what I'm
04:24:48
Selena Imaisaying what I was saying is that I feel like from what I've heard from a lot of women that are divorced they didn't have the level of sexual chemistry that they wanted and
04:25:01
Selena Imaihad all of those women been [ __ ] by other dudes before their husband I I don't know what would you think I mean I I'd like the perspective of a virgin person right now now that
04:25:13
Andrew Wilsononly had one partner cuzz I don't have that perspective so I don't know well what virgins report is that they're highly satisfied in their sexual relationships that's what they report when they're asked good for them okay let's say let's
04:25:26
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allysay it's a virgin and you know a guy whatever they get married and everything and they're just together for 10 years what happens in if in those 10 years they're just like oh I just don't want to be with you anymore what happens what happens if you're not a virgin and that
04:25:36
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyhappens that's why either or cuz you're saying that people who are virgins last longer in their marriages so what happens if that not the case what happens with anybody if it's not the case no but I'm directing it
04:25:48
Andrew Wilsonspecifically to your comment on saying that I'm explaining to you why it's a nonsensical circular question so what if I retain my virginity and then have the same outcome as if I didn't retain my
04:26:01
Andrew Wilsonvirginity that's what I'm saying this that's not different yeah no it's different so again let's let us assume that we have
04:26:09
Andrew Wilsonnine virgins one non virgin okay the outcome for the non virgin X bad okay now let's say it's it's worse than these you know the non- Virgin the outcome is
04:26:21
Andrew Wilsonworse than the nine okay now we take two of those virgins who also get married and they have the same outcome as that non- virgin which group is still more likely to have better
04:26:34
Andrew Wilsonoutcomes The Virgins The Virgins so even if it were true that some virgins have bad outc comes similar to those who are not virgins at marriage most virgins
04:26:47
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allystill have better outcomes than them right okay that's if you know men like the man that's marrying that woman cares about their virginity you know their specific virginity like not every man views it as being the gold bar you know
04:26:59
Andrew Wilsonwhat I mean so you remember how you said every there yeah right agree with you not every man does right but let me counter with this do you think that most men if they could take you they could
04:27:11
Andrew Wilsontake you these are your romantic Partners but they could take away every man you've ever [ __ ] before them would they yeah okay then anything else you guys want to add to that TCH it
04:27:22
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] Nick Nick why you got to come on bro why you got to do what about you do you think any romantic partner that you have who's a man that's a good question
04:27:33
Selena Imaiif they could unfuck you would they do it like you're saying oh like so it well but doesn't that make them insecure
04:27:42
Andrew Wilsonbut doesn't that make them inse they do it I I guess but like well then then the question does the question now see but then that's an insecure man that's insecure why is it insecure because you
04:27:55
Brian Atlasdon't want her to have any comparison except you what if that's not the reason that doesn't make sense what's the reason the reason was our last CH I know have you have you ever had a traumatic sexual relationship like you dated guy
04:28:07
Andrew Wilsonhang traumatic I'm going to use your logic back okay a man doesn't want a woman because she has 10 kids M he's
04:28:18
Selena Imaiinsecure right but that brings kids it hang on he's insecure or not insecure no because there's 10 children that he would have to be a father to that's not the same as hang on hang on hang on he's
04:28:30
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allynot insecure if she has 10 kids right I just want to make sure we got that answer no not not insecure or he's insecure if you won't date her cuz she has 10 kids I definitely think that he has a a spot to
04:28:43
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allybe insecure simply because he still would have to deal with her the past baby why would that be insecurity though but okay your your question is would a man be insecure if a lady has 10
04:28:54
Andrew Wilsonkids nope my question is if a man didn't want a lady with 10 kids does that make him insecure no it just makes him he just has self resect and he doesn't feel comfortable being with a woman who has
04:29:05
Andrew Wilsonmultiple kids with different guys so he has a preference self resect right and part of self-respect is preference yeah that's his preference is to not be with the wom if your preference is to be with a virgin and not with a woman who has a high body count that's not insecurity
04:29:18
Jolie Elenathat's perfectly fine it's not insecurity right it's not the women that sleeping around are risking having kids it's kind of almost the same thing the only difference is the actual part of having the kids like the woman with 10
04:29:31
Jolie Elenakids with different men it's kind of the same thing with the woman that sleeps around because she's still risking pregnancy with all of those men the same way a woman was willing to get pregnant by all those men and have those kids I think it comes down to that it's just
04:29:43
Jolie Elenaunattractive that a woman would disrespect herself because respect is attractive to be willing to risk pregnancy STI and all and just be willing to be that intimate with someone
04:29:54
Jolie Elenawhen they just met them or without certain requirements it doesn't it's just it's basic psychology when someone well not only that but think about it let's let's insert yourself in a man
04:30:04
Selena Imaishoes for a second mhm on your wedding night you say this really valuable thing I saved it for you how good of a feeling would that be for a man I know but we're already
04:30:16
Andrew Wilsonmarried but what about a girl though okay we're not not we're not adding hang on hang on engage with what I'm asking first and then change the conditionals that's fair right from a man's
04:30:28
Andrew Wilsonperspective let's say you're a man tomorrow you wake up and you're a man okay right and a woman on your wedding night says I saved my virginity for you
04:30:40
Andrew Wilsonbecause that's how much I love you right would I'm sorry would you not be extremely pleased and happy with that outcome I mean she's marrying me she
04:30:52
Andrew Wilsonchose to say yes to the marriage that would already be enough for me as a man yeah but okay but she kept her virginity and told you those words I kept myself
04:31:03
Selena Imaichased to give this to you right because she felt like I was the right person to get it to how would you not how would that not make you feel like a million as a man I don't know I just I don't know I
04:31:14
Selena ImaiI don't an argument no no but I'm saying in my mind I don't view virginity as valuable I'm I'm not asking you I'm not asking you to view it from your
04:31:23
Andrew Wilsonperspective I'm asking you this assume for a second that I crammed a man's brain into your head okay and then your physiology changed tomorrow and now
04:31:34
Andrew Wilsonyou're in a man's body and now suddenly your value structure in the way you think of things change and in your head you crave women who have a low body count you marry a woman who's a virgin
04:31:47
Andrew Wilsonand on her wedding night she says these words to you I saved my virginity for you nobody else ever got this but you cuz that's how much I love you how could
04:31:58
Andrew Wilsona woman ever give you the man a better gift than that I mean I don't know I just I think the marriage what else could she give that could ever be more valuable than
04:32:09
Selena Imaithat else say yes to marriage kid a child saying yes to marriage I feel like that means more than a virginity no I but hang on hang on anybody who's a man can give you a kid who who's fertile
04:32:22
Andrew Wilsonwhich is most men right you can only give your virginity to one man and so if that is the case you saying well I chose to marry you right and I'm fertile so I
04:32:34
Andrew Wilsoncan accept your seed you can do that with any man correct but you can only give your virginity to one and if you say I gave this to to you this one man he's the only one who's ever going to
04:32:45
Andrew Wilsonhave that no other man ever will how could you give him something more valuable than that there's nothing else you could ever exchange to him that that uh couldn't be replaced with something else you couldn't give him a car that he couldn't replace you couldn't give him a
04:32:58
Andrew Wilsongold bar he couldn't replace you couldn't give him anything that could not be replaced except that that's the only thing you could ever give a man that he can't replace but how long is
04:33:09
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allythat high going to last like oh I I took her virginity like I'm like I feel great how long that took her virginity of your wife hopefully for life I don't know I gave you the most
04:33:21
Selena Imaivaluable thing she had ever that she'll ever have but again like I mean I don't know I just I I just I don't see like what's valuable about
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Andrew Wilsonvirginity it's not it's not I'm not understanding again what determines value it's what people want it's like that's the society view yeah it's what people want right no I believe yeah well you know what let me ask you I don't
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TTS/Donationsknow what gives what gives money value I don't even know this nebulous War 69 you w donated $69 Brian please do not allow these
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04:34:06
Brian Atlastotally reasonable this entire episode I don't I don't I actually don't know what that warlord think thank you for the uh TTS man um I do want to uh maybe we can come back to that a little later I do
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Brian Atlaswant to move it on a little bit going around the table uh I got to get through some of my commonly asked questions here at the end uh would you rather be Al
04:34:29
Brian Atlaswould you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or a random bear starting with you a random man really I thought you were going to
04:34:38
Selena Imaisay bear that surprised me no no H yeah um a random man because then he could build us a shelter and then he
04:34:50
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywould go get food for me and then like if there was a bear he would just kill it okay reasonable response I think a bear because they're so cute no they eat no seriously and because like let's say like there is a man the bear can just
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allykill the man if the man don't like the man you know like a caveman like a caveman it's cuz the Bears are cute I just don't see a reason being suck in
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywith a random man they'll kill me what about you oh we're just going Morgan's answered it like a bunch okay
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyum I think I liked your answer about the the man cuz the okay what about you uh a man cuz most likely the average man is not going to like you you do realize these aren't koala
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Andrew Wilsonbears they're not cute panda bears is it a sloth bear they could be a [ __ ] grizzly bear but grizzly bears are cute oh they're cute oh why why friend or why friend shaped if not friend ask let me
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Andrew Wilsonlet me ask you this question okay I'm going to agree with you that most grizzly bears are cuter than most men would you say that yeah but if you went
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Andrew Wilsonover and patted a random man on the head or a random grizzly bear on the head which one do you think would be more likely to [ __ ] kill you well obviously a bear oh well obviously a bear so now which one would
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Brian Atlasyou rather be trapped with in the forest again a bear oh okay checks out makes sense yeah makes sense totally rational I could see that YOLO well okay next
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Brian Atlasquestion going around the table who's the primary victim of war men or women men wait what of War mhm yeah you mean
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Brian Atlaslike that are drafted to the military men no that's not the question war war in general the victim of War yeah victim men okay
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Brian Atlaswomen just being a contrary yeah that that was what I was detecting there men um men okay why are women the primary victim of War cuz I made that
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Ally[ __ ] up right now sexualize you guys sexualize a lot men sexualize women a lot what does that have to do with it that's war no I would war is War I don't know what kind of War killing it's not
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Andrew Wilsonthe war for Helen of Troy like the Army what like oh like the war like fighting what war what the [ __ ] are you what war do you think we're talking about here
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Andrew WilsonWar you're referring to a lot we're not talking about World War sex like what what are you talking about okay then can you specif like be specific with the question War and what
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allyhow is it not specific you said you said you said what what was the question well okay let's start let's back up what is a war a war there's so many like there could be a war between like whatever was going on yeah
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allywhat is a war um like shooting killing opposites countries and who usually fights those men well guys yes I thought we were
04:37:52
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allytalking about like so who's the primary victim of War guys oh okay so then why did you say women because I thought you were meaning it in like like you know boy to girl way not like fighting like
04:38:04
Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / AllyWar has there been a great man versus woman war that I'm not aware of or I think she probably her like in general like in life who's the you know talking about dating and whatnot I didn't think we were talking about like you know war war like guns shooting yeah but I mean
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Andrew Wilsonwar war would have a relationship to dating when you consider that there's Wars going on all over the world and women do have to make choices when it comes to whether or not they're going to date soldiers whether or not they're going to date men during war time because there's going to be drafts well
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Jesse Taylor / CC / Madison / Allya lot of women a lot of women choose to not date men that you know are Marines or simply because it's just difficult sure sure I totally agree with that but that's why the question is asked who's
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TTS/Donationsthe primary victim men or women so they based on that answer determine who bear underscore incore thecore Woods donated
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TTS/Donations$69 get these delusional entitled baby gravy storage units out of my damn Forest we don't even want to eat them #
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Brian Atlasstop Cod oh damn okay thank you bear in the woods appreciate it bro thank you boo bear appreciate it my d uh
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Brian Atlas[Music] is that a rage quit um is that a rage quit or I don't think so is it a rage quit I think so chat I think there's no I don't
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Production crewthink I think there's a rage quit should just I think it's a rage quit should we just whisper about it while she can still hear
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Brian Atlasus I think is it is it a rage is that a rage quit
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Brian Atlasare are you rage quitting or hello huh are you rage quitting or no I just was I
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MJ / Morganleave oh yeah sorry like mid conversation do you want to answer a few more
04:40:05
Brian Atlasquestions um no you should wait stay for another how about like 15 does that sound good can you can I get before
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Brian AtlasI what can you P me before I go no we're in the middle of the show um so you can figure that out I
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Brian Atlasguess okay yeah no I'm going to head out but okay yeah after see yep okay you can leave have a good night it was nice to me you [ __ ] what mess today all
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Brian Atlasright uh can we get people back at the table uh here can you guys scoot down this way Morgan you'll take that seat like no just like take take her SE take
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Production crewher seat oh I have to move like I don't want to talk about my dating life I don't want to talk about my [ __ ] D oh I don't feel like talking
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Brian Atlas[ __ ] waste of a seat bro [ __ ] nothing the whole show all right sorry I'm on my
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Brian Atlasperiod H okay um well um
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Brian Atlasthe [ __ ] is going on back
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Brian Atlasthere I don't know sorry hold on take another drink andw I