FINAL SHOW! RAGE QUIT Keeko vs. Andrew Wilson IRL! Shina! Shaman Pro Cuddler?! | Dating Talk #222

Date: 2024-12-18

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSheena Ray Reynolds >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Davia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lexi(guest)

SPEAKER_05Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_06Sheena Ray Reynolds(guest)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Maria(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian opens the final show of the year: 'I'm your host Brian Atlas.' Sets up the year-end finale atmosphere.

ControversySheena criticizes Davia for staying with a cheating ex-boyfriend. Davia pushes back hard. Lexi mediates. First major panel confrontation of the night — sets up running Davia/Sheena tension throughout the episode.

ControversyDuring the Davia confrontation, Sheena says 'I have a gun' — panel reacts with shock. Brian de-escalates.

ControversyAndrew asks Maria the shaman/animal communicator: if she can communicate with animals, could she ask an animal if it would consent to sex with a human? Maria responds: 'technically there is no problem.' Panel erupts in shock and disgust. Brian is speechless.

OtherA champagne bottle cork hits the ceiling during a celebratory moment, leaving a visible dent. Brian points it out.

ControversySheena uses a TOS-violating word (the r-word) despite prior warnings. Brian gives a final warning and threatens to ask her to leave the show. Sheena apologizes but panel and Brian are visibly frustrated.

QuoteBrian delivers his final warning speech to Sheena: explains clearly that this is her last chance, that she will be asked to leave if she uses TOS-violating language again. The speech is firm but measured.

Key MomentBody count roundtable: Kiko ~23 (disputed from prior episode), Lexi 4, Amanda 11, Maria 46 ('channeled from the angels via shaman reading'), Davia unclear, Sheena did not state, Brian claims virgin.

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Lexi says 6, Amanda says 9, Maria says 10, Sheena says 8. Brian rates himself a 5 ('really six'). Andrew abstains.

ControversyBrian calls Kiko the f-word (f*ggot) during a confrontation over her repeatedly interrupting and trying to grab pizza. Kiko objects strongly and loudly. Panel reacts — many are shocked. Brian does not back down immediately.

ControversySheena accuses Andrew Wilson of running a 'con artist dating service' — a case of mistaken identity. Andrew fires back hard and aggressively. This triggers a major verbal confrontation between Andrew and Sheena about how he has treated her 'like a piece of shit' throughout the show.

ControversyAndrew and Sheena's major verbal confrontation: Sheena says he treated her like a piece of shit all night; Andrew dismisses this and calls her out on the false dating service accusation. Both raise their voices. Brian has to intervene.

OtherKiko reads hate mail messages during the hate mail session. She reads messages roasting other panelists and eventually calls out Brian while reading a message directed at him.

QuoteBrian announces the final show wrap-up: going on a 3-6 week holiday break. Thanks the panel, the crew, and the audience for an incredible year.

Topics Discussed

Show Intro and Announcements

Brian opens the final show of the year, announces it's the last show before a 3-6 week holiday break. Addresses the panel format, previews the night's guests, and sets the tone for a rowdy year-end finale.

Guest Introductions

Brian goes around the table having all guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation, relationship status. First round: Kiko (bartender, Santa Barbara, in relationship), Lexi (student, OC, open relationship/bisexual), Amanda (law student, lesbian, in relationship), Maria (shaman/pro cuddler, 44, single). Davia and Sheena introduced later (~[0:15:09] and [0:16:59]) due to late arrival. Andrew Wilson last at [0:17:10].

Relationship Status Roundtable

Each panelist describes their relationship situation in detail. Includes Davia's situationship with cheating ex (sparking confrontation with Sheena), Lexi's open relationship, Amanda's lesbian marriage and divorce, Maria's recent breakup and restraining order filing, Sheena's 11-year marriage and 1.5 years single. Extended discussion on staying with cheaters, emotional unavailability, and red flags in modern dating.

Davia vs Sheena Confrontation

Sheena criticizes Davia for staying with a cheating ex-boyfriend. Davia pushes back; Lexi mediates. The conflict escalates with Sheena saying 'I have a gun' during the exchange (~[0:29:32]). The tension between Davia and Sheena persists throughout the episode. This sets up the episode's running interpersonal conflict.

Flake Statistics and Late Guest Messages

Discussion of the two guests who were supposed to appear but flaked. Brian reads their messages aloud to the panel — a mix of excuses and genuine issues. Panel reacts. Discussion of how commonly women flake on the show and what it signals.

Politics, Trump Voting, and Cutting Off Relationships

Panel debates whether it's reasonable to cut off friends or family over political differences (specifically voting for Trump). Lexi says yes, she cuts off people who vote for Trump. Amanda has a nuanced view. Andrew argues this reveals an impoverished social life and political tribalism. Brian contrasts cutting political ties with dating/friendship based on values alignment.

Transactional vs Duty-Based Relationships

Andrew presents his framework: healthy relationships are duty-based (you fulfill your role as husband/wife because it's right, not because of what you get in return). The panel largely operates on a transactional model. Andrew argues transactional thinking leads to instability. Discussion of whether women should submit, what men owe women, and how open relationships fit into this framework.

Transgender Identity and Disclosure Debate

Extended multi-hour debate on: whether trans women are women, whether a trans person must disclose their trans status before sex, whether a man who sleeps with a trans woman is straight or gay, the ethics of non-disclosure, and how biology relates to identity. Amanda (lesbian) argues trans women are women. Andrew argues biological sex is immutable. Brian explores the legal and ethical angles. Multiple panelists share personal takes.

Shaman and Animal Communication Philosophical Debate

Andrew asks Maria (the shaman/animal communicator) whether she could ask an animal via her abilities whether the animal would consent to sex with a human. Maria responds that 'technically there is no problem' — causing widespread shock on the panel. This leads to debate on the limits of spiritual frameworks, the difference between philosophical hypotheticals and real-world ethics, and whether Maria's worldview has any guard rails.

Does Whatever Teach Men to Hate Women

Panel confronts the recurring criticism that the Whatever podcast teaches misogyny. Andrew defends the show as exposing the consequences of feminist dating culture. The female panelists split: some say the show has value, others say it is structured to humiliate women. Brian defends his framing as honest observation, not hate. Discussion of online criticism, cancel attempts, and the show's mission.

Traditional Gender Roles and Patriarchy Debate

Andrew presents the case for traditional gender roles and patriarchy as a functional social structure that protects women and children. Lexi and Amanda resist strongly. Maria takes a spiritual angle. Brian probes whether any of the women would choose a traditional role if they could. Debate on whether feminism has helped or hurt women's happiness statistics.

Bear vs Man in the Forest Debate

The classic 'would you rather encounter a bear or a man alone in the forest' debate. Multiple panelists choose the bear. Andrew and Brian argue this reveals a deeply negative (and statistically unjustified) view of men. Amanda and Lexi defend the choice as a reasonable risk assessment. Extended debate on whether this reflects personal trauma, media-driven fear, or genuine statistical logic.

TTS Roast Intermission

Brian opens a $69/message TTS roast session. Donors send increasingly creative roasts of individual panelists. Sheena receives multiple roasts related to her TOS violations. Maria receives roasts about the animal consent moment. The session temporarily releases tension from earlier confrontations.

Open Relationships Discussion

Panel discusses open relationships in depth following revelations from Lexi (open relationship) and Maria (open to non-monogamy). Andrew makes the case that open relationships are inherently unstable and driven by one partner's desire. Brian asks whether any of the panelists' partners actually wanted the open relationship or just agreed to avoid losing them. Discussion of jealousy, communication, and the real outcomes of open arrangements.

Men as Primary Victims of War

Andrew argues that men are the primary victims of war — they are the ones conscripted, killed, and traumatized. The panel resists. Brian supports Andrew's framing. Lexi argues women are also harmed by war (as refugees, victims of wartime sexual violence, etc.). Andrew: the difference is men are deliberately killed in combat while women are harmed as collateral. Panel debates whether the draft and selective service are feminist issues.

Abortion, Bodily Autonomy, and the Draft

Panel debates the bodily autonomy argument for abortion. Andrew: if bodily autonomy justifies abortion, it also justifies men refusing child support and avoiding the draft. Lexi and Amanda argue these are not comparable situations. Brian explores the asymmetry: women can abort, men cannot compel or prevent birth, yet both are bound financially. Extended debate on equal reproductive rights.

Body Count Roundtable

Brian asks each panelist their body count in turn. Results: Kiko ~23 (disputed), Lexi 4, Amanda 11, Maria 46 (shaman reading), Davia unclear, Sheena did not state, Brian claims virgin. Extended debate on whether body count matters, the difference between men's and women's body count in terms of social value and pair bonding research, and whether caring about body count is hypocritical.

Self-Ratings Round

Panelists rate themselves on a 1-10 scale. Results: Lexi=6, Amanda=9, Maria=10, Sheena=8, Davia unclear (~5-6), Brian=5 (then 'really six'), Andrew abstained. Brian uses the ratings to discuss how self-perception correlates with behavior and relationship choices.

AI Age Filter and Aging Discussion

Brian uses an AI age filter on panelists to show what they'll look like older. Discussion of how aging affects attraction and whether people plan for it. Sheena, at 50, is the clearest case study. Maria takes a spiritual angle about aging and inner beauty. Andrew makes the case for marrying young.

Hate Mail Reading Session

Brian opens a $29/message hate mail TTS session. Kiko reads hate messages directed at various panelists. Messages roast Brian, Sheena, Kiko, and others. Kiko calls Brian out while reading a message. The session becomes increasingly chaotic as the show nears its end.

Patrice O'Neal Clip

Brian plays a clip of Patrice O'Neal discussing relationships and women's hypergamy. Panel reacts. Andrew and Brian use the clip to reinforce their arguments from earlier in the night. The female panelists are largely dismissive of Patrice.

Final Show Wrap-Up and Year-End Thanks

Brian wraps up the final show of the year. Thanks the panel, the crew, and the viewers. Announces the 3-6 week holiday break. Sheena and Andrew have their final confrontation just before wrap. Brian closes the year reflecting on the show's growth and upcoming plans.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonshe's been patiently waiting here while I don't think there's been a single time at this table where me or Brian haven't been present at the table you were both just gone two seconds ago I'm not delusional cuz he got up for no I don't

Kikothink I they were both gone they were both gone gone seconds we're just wasting a bun of time act like I'm crazy I was up for like you're gone again I smell the cigarette smoke that you just

Kikosmoked outside on the B shut up no that's fine you can your cette but you you were both gone you said there was no present point where you're both gone from the table but you were both gone

Brian Atlasone minute ago for one minute all right so thank you let's use intersectionality let's use intersectionality Kiko if we're talking about World War I and World War

Brian AtlasII who's the greater uh who's the primary victim of war men or women of the US population if we're talking about like us women versus us men or we

Kikotalking about men versus or women versus us men cuz we're talking about women in general versus the US men I don't know I don't know I don't know the exact but if you're talking you're talking about men if you're let me finish let me no cuz

Kikoyou asked me a question I'm answering it youing out if you talked about if you talk if we talking about World War II and men in America versus women in

KikoAmerica I would say 100% men had it much worse men had it much worse compared to you us woman but if you're talking about the women in the countries that we went

Kikoto it's a different conversation different conversation I'm not saying I'm not I'm not at least you're conceding that in these wars in versus a

KikoUS woman a US man is a primary victim of War over a US Woman No Doubt 100% okay why why because we as a Us in

Kikothe US here we were state fast women we didn't have to deal with anything besides men just not being in our households but what those men did in those other countries I don't know what's worse what what do you think is worse like here's

Brian Atlassay these are the numbers getting shot in the head or assaulted for hours no but it's not in sorry so like let's say there were 5 million essays of exclusively women versus 20

Kikomillion male deaths which is worse why is it 5 million essays versus 20 million deaths give me 20 million essays versus 20 million deaths actually I can demonstrate it so that you know

Andrew Wilsonright so if you have two countries are going to go to war you agree with me that it's going to be the men who go and fight each other first right right one Army cripples the other Army so let's

Andrew Wilsonsay in this particular case it's not even the United States will just make up two different countries right we'll call it koland and Wilson landland okay Wilson landland and koland are in a war

Andrew Wilsonand the men fight okay the Wilson lenders right Victoria ly finally conquer the kiko linders okay and after

Andrew Wilsontaking heavy losses they were able to then go through and dominate koland and put every man and woman to the sword even if that was the case that they did

Andrew Wilsonyou would still have more men who were victims and the reason why is because if these country's men are fighting they're taking casualties on both sides so even if one wins and then dominates the other

Kikocountry puts them all to the sword the men of both countries still would have had to have been the primary victims I I didn't hear assault come into that conversation once like that was no no

Andrew Wilsonbut can you can you juste to math like men if men are fighting the war then men on this side die men on this side die even if one wins and then invades and then puts all of them to the sword there

Andrew Wilsonstill had to be necessarily more men dying right right if I say yes will we stop well I just want to know is that the

Kikocase that it has to be that way that that has to be true I will come to a compromise on a different discussion but this one I'm pretty headstrong on so we can move on okay all right we have a

Brian Atlaschat here from Danny Boy how's the women on the panel's bow game thoughts on bowing for your partner well I think I'm not in Asia that's what I think have you seen the bow video I have multiple times okay

Brian Atlaswe'll pull we'll pull pull it up okay dark cavia are you there yes Chop Chop okay chop uh pull up the bow

Brian Atlasvideo all right uh girl again so this is actually a video I took of my ex-girlfriend I dumped her after uh well I'm not going to get into that but believe I dumped

Brian Atlasher serious start it start it from the beginning no no no no no no start it from the beginning all right play it boom huge bound all right this is my expectation

Brian Atlasfrom a girlfriend I she I she's got to hit a bow when I when I meet her do my laundry look at that she's got my dinner she had my dinner prepared very kind of

Brian Atlasher scolded her for those nothing Tomatoes just Tomatoes strange uh very attentive very attentive

Brian Atlasthis is my expectation in a relationship uh so Danny Boy does ask uh thoughts on bowing for your partner

KikoI don't indulge with rage bait how how would that be rage bait you see exactly what the [ __ ] she's doing what is she doing I guarantee she probably run [ __ ] in that house that is Rage bait how did

Kikoshe runs [ __ ] throwing the shoes throwing the clothes get the [ __ ] out of here that is Rage bait stop it that's that's low who does it make Angry no

Kikoit's that's like low vibrations for your own podcast to bring some rage bait [ __ ] like that in here would raage somebody it's are you upset are you enraged no you sound I think she's a [ __ ] idiot

Brian Atlasbut like that's not my problem she could do whatever the [ __ ] she wants hey don't talk about my ex-girlfriend she's a [ __ ] dumbass you're a dumbass is it because you do you hate Asian women

KikoKiko I think there's definitely some anti-asian actually the first episode I went on I was the only woman on the whole podcast she was said I would date an Asian man actually I was the only one

Brian Atlasthat said I would so you know that's not true got two thank you uh okay so you seem like you really don't like the bow uh no it's not the [ __ ] bow it's this

Kikoit's the what idiocracy just focus on the bow no [ __ ] the bow no don't [ __ ] the the bow was the least of my worries in that video the bow was was two seconds I don't even

Lexisee the bow the [ __ ] Lexi your thoughts um a I'm pretty sure the video was just a Tik Tok Trend um rage me

Lexiyeah I guess and B as for the bow it depends on if my partner if that was part of his culture if it was socially and like their culturally like Norm if it's like a symbol of respect that

Lexithey're really not willing to let go of I'd be willing to do it um but I don't know if my boyfriend right now asked me to start bowing for him I'd

Brian Atlasbe like no [ __ ] you like that's my stance on it you watch the same video I did wait scoot your my key Cod to the edge of the table your thoughts your reaction um yeah a little too much for

Mariame you wouldn't well you wouldn't do that for your girlfriend um no and I would not want her to do that to me either okay what about you Maria not in America in Japan it's

Mariatraditional but not in America screwed into the table

Daviasorry no I wouldn't do it but I want my boyfriend to do it that okay so whatever you got going on I don't know go ahead I don't want him to

Sheena Ray Reynoldsask me to and I don't think he would ask me to but if he did I think I might just saying sheina I think I mean I see it a lot in the Middle East when men come

Sheena Ray Reynoldsfrom work they wash their feet and make the food ready it's it's acceptable in many depends on the relationship like if my men this is what's going to be his thing I would do it yeah I have no problem all right um I do have some

Brian Atlasfollow I have some follow-up things on the bow just but going around the table do you consider yourself a feminist no no I've always said no I mean you are

Kikothough how you just you just are I mean there's no good I'm not a radical feminist maybe that but I'm not I think people confuse feminism with wokeism maybe whenever they break it

Kikodown on here though they kind of synopsize the two cuz I'm not I don't I don't think that we are a or whatever no I don't think are you

Brian Atlasfeminist yes but definitely not woke uh you you probably are a bit on the woke side what makes me woke well what you use the word what it what to

Lexiyou is woke like like I said I don't agree with either extreme side left or right I you kind of have to be woke though open relationship it's kind of like a like a synonym let's say let's

Andrew Wilsonsay one side I don't think anyone who's not woke will be an relationship yeah let's say one side is based we say the word Bas for one side and then woke for the other whatever the opposite of woke

Andrew Wilsonis okay but what would be whatever you think woke means whatever you think that is right we're drawing the parallel try to figure out your stance yeah and I'm trying to figure out what you define so

Lexithat I could say whether or not I agree with that was a woke statement so I just want to make sure why that was very woke of you so I just want to make so it's like the if you guys can't arrive within

Andrew Wilsona minute I'm moving it on so I just want to make sure right does woke mean something to you extreme far left okay great so then whatever the opposite of

Lexiwoke would be right let's say it's based right what is Extreme far right in tail what does that mean well I think that just means like you had said earlier

Lexipeople who deck out their freaking [ __ ] in Maga stuff and who are like brutally if you don't agree with me you're going

Lexito rot in hell that type of person okay yeah and then far left means farle means that they think that people on the far

Lexiright side are just never going to agree or we're never going to find like that middle ground and that we're just too separate to be able to like come back into the middle that doesn't tell me

Andrew Wilsonanything about far-left beliefs a far-left beliefs yeah what are they I give you guys an opportunity to wrap this up so you guys each have I just need I need to know it's important

Andrew Wilsonbecause because if you say I'm not this thing right and if I say woke is far-left and I ask you what a far-left belief is and you say it so happens to coincide with your beliefs then that

Lexiwould make you a far- leftist right yeah but so what's a far-left belief I just said a far-left belief is like the idea that we're two separate and that also

Andrew Wilsonthe people what no that's a that's a belief could believe that like what does actual opposes yes so so both of them think they can't get along great what is

Lexian actual far-left belief I guess a far-left belief would be like oh you used my wrong pronouns and then they go off on you or do you think people should

Lexiuse the correct pronouns I it depends on how close you are with the person if you're going to see them all the time then yes it sounds far left then right why that that is that's what that's what

Lexithe left that's a farle why is that a farle and what's wrong with that it's nothing wrong with it whether there's something wrong with it or not we're just trying to figure out the view belie that I feel like that's just a left belief we don't like

Lexito say pronounce well then what is a far-left belief far-left belief is is the people that literally are like you don't respect me you don't respect my pronouns you need to respect me just because I'm trans like I deserve all

Andrew Wilsonthese things don't you think people should respect people just because they're trans I think people should respect people period yeah so that would entail then that you think that people should respect be respected just because they're trans not just because they're

Kikotrans but because they're a human being that's a left far how is that a far I feel like that's just a normal far right do not believe in respect I believe it too but that's that that is what a far like today that is stereotypically a

Kikofarle Bel I'm just trying to differentiate the fact that you even like agree with that stuff and like into it that's a far I don't agree with the people that rage out out you know you know what I'm talking about that's yeah

Andrew Wilsonthat's like a social justice Warrior or something but we're talking about I don't agree with the people that freaking I get I get that you don't like the fact that there's people who yell and scream and rage out I'm not even

Andrew Wilsonasking about that what I'm asking about is there's a belief of a far leftist and the belief itself not this spurting out about the belief but the belief itself

Lexithat you disagree with is this thing that people are entitled to more than just just because they're part of the LGBT community I don't agree with that what far leftist thinks that you're

Lexientitled to more than a lot what does that mean it means that they think that they are better than everybody else and they are more deserving of opportunities and they should be given a job just

Lexibecause they're trans and you know stuff like that yeah there are people like that and that's what I would think is woke people that are that extreme yeah so there's one so there's one thing give me another thing why you just asked me

Lexifor the one thing yeah now I'm asking you for another thing okay um I don't know I just don't like how intense people are on either side okay

Andrew Wilsonis that fair yeah that's fair cool it doesn't really tell me much but I mean like if you were like Andrew what are a bunch of far-right beliefs I'd be like this and this and this and

Andrew Wilsonthis and this and this and you know what I mean what are some far-left beliefs oh far- leftist beliefs would be things like socialism universalization of Health Healthcare the idea of probably

Andrew Wilsongun control multiple stigmas against the idea that we need to have a nuclear family there's like the list goes on and on family yeah for he meant to say that

Andrew Wilsonwe don't need no no no listen I didn't stutter I said that we need a stigma against the

Andrew Wilsonidea we need a nuclear family oh okay there was no stuttering I I was completely 100% % correct stand behind what I just said but those would be like

Andrew Wilsoninstances of and I could keep going like I could to I keep going on far-left ideals or if you want farri ideals and so I can tell you exactly where I differentiate between these ideals right so that's all I'm asking you it's not a trick question I'm just saying if you

Andrew Wilsonsay I'm not on the left I'm not a far- leftist and the reason is because I don't believe in this thing this thing this thing this thing the farle believes in that's all I'm asking okay well I can give you a bunch of reasons as to why

Andrew WilsonI'm not far right um I you lean more towards the left I just don't yeah but what differentiates you from a farle is like I know I'm a right-wing nutcase

Andrew Wilsonlike I know I'm on the furthest right you can't get more right but but what is that like ultimately I can say that and I could give you the differentiate

Lexibetween me and like Centrist and leftist and far leftist and this type of thing so what just I just have met a lot of people that are super intense with like oh I'm better than everybody body else

Lexibecause I'm left and because I'm this and because I'm that I don't agree with that um but I don't actually know a lot of the super far-left beliefs uh I just know that I fall because they sound like

Andrew Wilsonyour beliefs to me honestly I'm not going to lie they do uh I don't I agree more with the left than I do the right that's all that I'll say

Amandaall right um feminism as an equal rights for women um 100% I okay feminist yep are you Fe are the question is are

Mariayou feminist a feminist I I haven't looked up what does that mean is that equal rights for

Amandawomen um equal rights for everybody like regardless of okay dark havia no not egalitarianism because I believe in

Amandahierarchies but of Merit so if feminism is egalitarianism between the Sexes then I just don't that's possible so no no

Sheena Ray Reynoldsokay she uh I think in the American perception of feminist then I'm not a feminist but I think how I think is the real feminism and not how they Twisted

Sheena Ray Reynoldsit in the in the last 50 years real feminism is to love a man and respect a man and not to hate on a man the definition of feminism in this country

Sheena Ray Reynoldsis to hate men that's what feminism is what what what other definition is is there what I don't hate men no I'm saying they say they don't hate men but they do here in this country I've never seen so many women hate men like in

KikoAmerica yeah yeah but that's talking about the new age like the [ __ ] walk and the whole anti-men sentiment I know exactly what she talking about but I don't so the thing is is um I don't

Sheena Ray Reynoldsactually understand when you say that there's a different definition of feminism you runoff of I meant in my country yeah even in your country what is feminism in your country even it's first of all it's displ to two we have

Sheena Ray Reynoldsthe radical leftist but the majority of the country that they like me my ethnicity it's completely different feminism like we we can be married we can have a career but still the husband

Sheena Ray Reynoldsand the kids is number one the man is the king of the woman you can have a great career but your men would come before anything your men and your kids so you don't believe in egalitarianism or equality equality between men and

Sheena Ray Reynoldswomen I think I think women have more rights than a man in general yeah but that's not what I'm asking do you believe that there should be equality between men and women depends on what depends on what because I think I'm not I don't have the physicality that a men have I

Brian Atlasdon't want to have equality and everything I I think it's destroying us so no no okay all right we qu we're going to come back to the feminism thing in here in just a sec can we go to Twitch guys go

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Brian Atlaschat here from realizer Network thank you for the big Super Chat man really appreciate it Donald Jr 2028 let's go uh thank you for the uh Super Chat man appreciate it thank you so much all

Brian Atlasright guys if you want you can get a readin at 100 TTS is still at 200 all right so I'm gonna come back actually no well feminism we might as

Brian Atlaswell get into the feminism conversation still need to do that too uh so Kiko I mean actually aside from the primary you think women you think women

Brian Atlashave equal rights to men you think women are yeah you think women are not oppressed in the USA and you don't think that there's a gender pay Gap that's a day uh Lexi uh you disagree with the following

Brian Atlasstatements women have equal rights to men in the United States women are not oppressed in the United States there is no gender pay Gap you disagree with all

Brian Atlasof them Amanda is gone but uh Maria the pizza's on the way Guys Pizza is on the way that's fine there's also

Brian Atlasbananas back there if you guys need any on the whatever um Maria you said uh you also disagree with those three statements

Brian Atlassay it again what's women have equal rights to men in the USA Women are not oppressed in the USA there is no gender wage Gap you

Mariadisagree with all of these okay there is a gender wage gra Gap and women and and women are

Mariaoppressed in the USA I agree that women are okay no actually are they oppressed in the US they are actually right now they are

Brian Atlasokay and that you also women have equal rights to men in the USA you disagree correct I disagree okay so for those of you who disagreed that also

Brian Atlasincludes Amanda but she's up at the table uh or up from the table uh let's start with women have equal rights to men in the

Brian AtlasUSA uh which ones do they not have like which rights do women not have equal access to about

Lexito say abortion I am just bodily autonomy okay cool what besides that

Lexinothing I think bodily aomy is a pretty important one so okay sure anything else though that they're not equal the

Brian Atlasstatement is women have equal rights to men in the USA so aside from B autonomy aside from from that is there any other right no I don't think so just that one mhm Maria that's all I could think of

Brian Atlasright now abortion okay uh I'm still waiting on uh Amanda here but sorry um so I'll just I'll go ahead I'll go ahead and dive into the

Brian Atlasthat um how would that be evidenced because when when we're talking about equal rights that would indicate like a man has a right that a woman doesn't

Brian Atlasright when it comes to abortion men have no Reproductive Rights

Brian Atlaswhatsoever and so wouldn't it actually be equality to actually completely walk

Lexiback women's rights to abortion that would that would create equal rights I'm sorry no so men don't have to carry a

Brian Atlasfetus two okay well hold on hold on no no no I I want to engage with you on that okay so men don't have to carry a fetus but how

Brian Atlasdoes what does that have to do when okay equal rights that has to do with comparisons between men and women okay right so men don't have any Reproductive

LexiRights so why where's the inequality okay um my second point is men when they want to get a visectomy that's an easy doctor's

Lexivisit they get pain meds they get told to stay off their feet for like 3 days they can get a vasectomy no worries but if a woman wants to get their tubes tied to prevent the same thing and because

Lexithey don't want to have kids they have to go through a bunch of like Hoops to jump through they have to depending on what state you're in and depending on what Doctor you have and insurance yeah

Lexiso so can I respond or do you have more um I was going to say that the requirements for that are you have to be married you have to have at least three kids uh give or take um completely just

Brian Atlasfactually untrue that's not no that's very true there's no is there a law you'd have it's not law it's not it's to the doctor's individual you go to a doctor so you're saying all doctors have this mandatory you need to have had

Lexithree children and you need to be married just saying it's a very heavy bias so it's not that's why fake news but okay fake news you want to tell the many many women who were denied getting

Sheena Ray Reynoldstheir tub you want to tell the many many women to get taken out because of endri private doctors that would do but you're

Brian Atlassaying you're like you're putting forth stop you're putting forth like a position where you're saying essentially all these doctors the requirement is the

Brian Atlaswoman has to have had three children and be married sometimes they even have to have the husband sign off on it too y well perhaps it could be the case that there there is anecdotal evidence that

Brian Atlasthis has occurred this certainly isn't widespread C and you would you would have to you would have to like pull these OBGYNs or whatever the doctor is that does this procedure you'd have to

Brian Atlaslike actually provide evidence that this is a widespread practice and like some sort of like and I don't think the medical literature indicates that that's the requirement to get a hit me the medical literature that literally hasn't

Lexitested women's uh period products for actual blood until last year you mean the same medical system that derived off of men and thought that women were many men even though they have completely different um organs different functions different hormones you're talking about

Brian Atlasthe same medical system hysterctomy thing yeah the same not homy that's different thing or what was it Tu EXC homy is usually a medical thing I

Brian Atlasmisspoke I meant I me I meant getting I meant getting your tubes tied so okay actually actually I'm happy to engage with this yeah

Brian Atlasso one of the differences that immediately comes to me is that it's a much more invasive procedure to get your tubes it is to get your tubes tied if I

Brian AtlasI don't know if you want to be another science denier it is medically more invasive to get your tub science to get your tubes tied the the uh getting the uh what's it called sorry I'm blinking

Brian Atlason it so a voluntary so a voluntary procedure the vasectomy you you're like in and out in 15 minutes okay so that's a privilege that men have that's but that's not that's just the kind of of

Kikothe nature like they're making sure that you're you are set in it because uh vasectomy can most times be reversed whereas getting your not your tubes tied can be reversed but like if you get them cut or anything like that it's a

Kikopermanent decision so his point is like they the medical staff is just making sure that you are completely sure in your decision because it's a lot easier to get a visectomy than it is to get your tubes tied well I yes both are

Andrew Wilsonstill voluntary procedures though so why but let me let me let me give you I was just saying what he was perhaps to piggy to piggy back off Kiko she makes a good point in spite of herself she didn't

Andrew Wilsoneven mean to make this point really good even though it's really good uh what does first Do no harm mean Do no harm first Do no harm that's

Andrew Wilsonthat's what every doctor operates under the idea of the of of hang on a first Do no harm yeah let me give you the argument then you can respond okay so my

Andrew Wilsonargument would just be this that if that is the case right that you take in the hypocracy

Andrew Wilsonprocris right or yeah um and he says Hey first you should always Do no harm if it is the case that a doctor let's say uh

Andrew Wilsonwas performing women getting their tubes tied at like 22 for these women and then would see them at 27 going I regret this this is awful

Andrew Wilsonthis sucks this is horrible and he had that experience over and over and over and over and over doesn't it stand a reason that that same doctor would say okay this is doing

Andrew Wilsonharm did that actually happen though it does yes not only does it happen but men are coached too when they get a vasectomy especially if they go in young you probably don't want to do this and you should wait and you should wait for

Andrew Wilsonan long long 0 period of time but the difference is is that men aren't going back to the doctor right and saying please undo this women are going back to the doctor and saying

Andrew Wilsonplease undo this or I have regrets or it's causing me mental health issues this and that if it were the case that that you're a doctor and this is being reported to you by most of your female patients who you do this on when they're

Lexiyoung and your oath is to not do any harm at what point would you think you were doing harm okay well what about the women that you're turning away from getting these procedures and they have severe endometriosis or ovarian cysts or

Brian Atlasif they get pregnant it can be detrimental women areen getting turned away for that wait I have a question for you I have a question for you so you're saying that these doctors who are

Brian Atlascontinuously Consulting with their female patients and checking on them and making sure that they're ready couldn't we almost reverse this argument and say

Brian Atlasthat this is actually evidence like oh the men go ahead sterilize yourself but the doctors give a bit more care when it comes to the

Lexiwomen you could say that it's care but oftentimes I believe it causes more harm uh my friend's mom had endometriosis and

Lexigot pregnant in a very like dangerous time to get pregnant and Luckily everything was fine but if something bad had happened like she

Brian Atlaswasn't able to get uh after we we're moving off the topic here the topic originally like was about uh it it was about rights Reproductive

Brian AtlasRights rights and then we were talking about abortion and then it came into this kind of more Niche thing I have to bring it back to how how is

Brian Atlasum women's lack of access to abortion I suppose in some states evidence of an inequality between men and women because it's blatantly refusing their right to bodily

Lexiautonomy ah I see bodily autonomy I swear if you bring up the bodily autonomy to Aus uh we will have a very long discuss W I'm not going to cool I'm not I'm just going to bring up

Andrew WilsonI'm just I'm just going to bring up the draft the draft yeah what about the bodily autonomy of men when it comes to being drafted I never said I agreed with the draft yeah maybe not right but whether you do or you don't wouldn't

Andrew Wilsonthat be a case of men being oppressed and women not being I mean yeah but who created that system why would that matter because you put yourself in

Andrew WilsonVed to go to war V for hang let's say it was a king or a queen who invented that system yesterday what would that have to

Andrew Wilsondo with the fact that right now today me and Brian can't do anything about that wait so and hang on since we can't do anything about that are aren't we

Andrew Wilsonoppressed by that system in the super hypothetical scenario of a king or queen like right now right this second no we don't have a king or queen we don't need a king or a queen right this second I

Andrew Wilsoncan be I can be drafted you can't yeah depends how old are you uh right now I'm 40 I don't think you would be drafted yes in fact the draft can be uh accelerated up to 70 like it is in the

Andrew WilsonUkraine and in Russia right this second uh or it can be or it can be decreased to 134 like it has been in World War I so the question is wasn't there wasn't

Andrew Wilsonthere talk about making the draft for females too yes but interestingly enough that's nice that you're talking about it yeah but it's not the case so if it's

Andrew Wilsonnot the case so if it's not the case you say you don't have any bodily autonomy but neither do I do you have to grow another person inside of you and I'm sorry do you have to go die in a war no

Andrew WilsonI don't have to but I can choose to great no no but you can be but I can be drafted you can't you could always break your leg too yeah I know you you can always just not take jizz in your

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] I I mean sorry like all you have to do is not let a guy come in your [ __ ] [ __ ] and then you don't have to worry about it yeah no you're totally right you're totally yeah I know it's almost like my mom was on birth control

Lexithey used a condom and my dad only had one testicle and she had to do is not let him jiz her [ __ ] they used all the proper things like not [ __ ] in the

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] I promise you that what happened in this case is your dad came inside your mom 100% inside of a cond that also happened to be inside

Andrew Wilsonso came inside your mom inside of a cond so came inside your mom inside of a cond wait I just want to make sure I just want to make sure that I got this I just want to make sure I got this right I'm

Andrew Wilsonsorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry excuse you you're not speaking I am speaking so your dad your dad listen you green-haired freak your dad came

Andrew Wilsoninside your mom right your dad came inside your mom answered the question Rachel she did nothing wrong just in case she's can you answer the question now how many beers have you had not enough can you answer the question

Andrew Wilsonobviously thank yes thank you how [ __ ] hard was that how hard was it to deduce it yourself [ __ ] oh how hard was it to admit a thing that you can't admit because you know it it it hurts your argument it why would it hurt my

Lexiargument why is someone choosing to have consensual sex and use all the the protection necessary to prevent a pregnancy why doing everything to prevent a pregnancy why should they why what's the thing you do that's 100%

Andrew Wilsoneffective to prevent pregnancy what can you do that's 100% effective to prevent a pregnancy what I'm sorry can you talk to me like I'm an actual person in front of you is as soon as you start answering questions I'll start talking to you like a person who can as soon as you start

Andrew Wilsonasking me relevant questions here's the question is there a thing you can do which is 100% effective AB yeah great great cool great how long have you don't say don't say I've done did you don't

Lexisay I've done everything were you 100% ready for a pregnancy every single time came inside a woman why would that matter it does matter what's the relevancy tell me what if you got a

Andrew Wilsonwoman pregnant what if I did what if you did were you ready that mean that that that I came inside the woman right yeah and does that mean that you get to dictate whether or not she has your kid no but the thing here's here's the

Andrew Wilsondistinction when you say to me no no no women don't have bodily autonomy they don't have any they don't have any except then you give an example of mom and dad you say they did everything

Andrew Wilsonright no if they're having sex right then the IDE a here is there was a form of birth control that they had at their disposal that they did not use

Daviacalled abstinence yes thank you you're welcome okay sorry a condom is a way for men can prevent women from getting pregnant and a form of women's condom is

Kikouh birth control like what like isn't that why birth control also men lie about putting on condoms all the time you know how you can prevent all of that me if you're yes what if you're

Lexiwhat if you're assault what if you are we're not talking about cases of assault but even in cases of assault I would just grant fine have the abortion in the case of assult take that that just granted So you you're saying that my

Andrew Wilsonbody has to be violated against my will and a pregnancy to happen for me to get the right to abort that pregnancy no what I'm saying is that your argument that there that your argument that

Andrew Wilsonthere's no I did everything right my parents did everything right when it came to using contraception no they didn't the truth is is that there was

Andrew Wilsonalways for your parents a 100% foolproof way that mom never would have gotten pregnant okay so you think that abortion shouldn't be an option you think that it should be illegalized you think that

Andrew Wilsonbecause they're forced to be going through sepsis before they get treatment for a miscarriage never happens yes it does name a case name a single what's what are the names name one name oh man

LexiI swear no I have I literally have Tik Tok posts about this I have TI Tok why why can't you name a single name because I suck at names yeah because here's the thing I looked into the well at at at

Andrew Wilsonthis point there's only two actually but what's interesting what's interesting is is that the cases themselves these are grievances brought forward but they're not even proven they're just bitching

Lexiabout it not even Pro and two out of all of the possibil families and husbands and kids are bitching about their mom dying to sepsis because they were refusing they could no they weren't

Andrew Wilsonbeing refused these women like many people do they sue for malpractice where they have no merit to do so okay so it's very hard to prove yeah I don't know what you're I don't know what you're Smur like people sue for

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] like this all the time even though they're in the wrong but the women women are not being refused treatment for sepsis ever no they the doctors refuse treatment until they get sepsis and by

Andrew Wilsonthen it's too late no they don't where it's literally happen where's name the case I can't because I I will em they don't you can email it and here's the

Andrew Wilsonthing in what I'll pull the case up and what we'll see is we'll see a grievance where the person claims that this is what happening is is happening whereas the hospital says that isn't what happened there have literally been cases

Andrew Wilsonwhere doctor said that it could have been avoided their death avoid years and years ago currently right this second if you have an atopic pregnancy or there's sepsis or there's any hurt to the to the

Andrew Wilsonmom from the pregnancy can be terminated in all 50 states and the doctors do it cool so like I don't I don't even know what the argument there is when it comes arent is if I get pregnant I would want

Andrew Wilsonan abortion I am not right that's the argument you want to kill your kids it's not killing a kid well I'm sorry you want to kill the man's kids no they're

Lexinot kids how do how do you know Spirit they how do you know they're not kids no okay so it starts off as can we ask the angels the kids wow what are the Angels

Daviasay I'm K joking a fetus how do you how do so a fetus a fetus someone who is not an actual person and cannot survive outside fetus is actually not considered a fetus until it's almost almost four

Daviamonths that's why you you're not allowed to legally have an abortion a before or after 4 months that's why it's now when you find out you're pregnant it's within

Sheena Ray Reynoldsa I do good it's within like the first two weeks or three weeks so you find out your have you ever seen an abortion actual abortion it's it's literally a

Lexibaby with two hands two legs have have you se but with no nerve endings no parts of the brain that can process P don't even form a heart a fetus a fetus

Lexidoes not have more rights than the woman growing it a fetus yeah sorry go ahead you you sure yeah I literally had

Brian Atlaspizza cheese than so oh are you vegan no I'm allergic oh by the way I do need to make an announcement really quick and then you guys can get back to talking

Brian Atlasabout killing unborn children but um a fetus yes sorry my bad children it's not somebody somebody I've been doing this podcast for two and a half years uh this

Brian Atlasis the first time ever somebody has managed to stuff the toilet congratulations to whoever that was I don't know who it is and any case you guys now need to use the waist bin and

Brian Atlasyou probably can't flush the [ __ ] toilet congratulations that toilet it was you no it literally wasn't you the last it

Brian Atlaswas stuffed when I went in there dorks so whoever used it whatever it doesn't matter look at the cameras who were before you oh my God I'm not I don't care who did it whatever but congratulations you win the

Brian Atlasprize you're the first after thousands of people using that toilet you managed to stuff it good job whoever it was good job you I don't know if you put

Brian Atlassomething down it a tampon I don't know Tamp [ __ ] flushing your feminine [ __ ] uh products down there I don't know what pretty sure on the box of

Brian Atlastampons it says not flushable yeah but congratulations if I had a trophy I would give it to you whoever you are for managing to [ __ ] up our toilet good good

Brian Atlasjob it would be well done good Keo you're welcome thank you are we doing the intermission row session I always got to feed my children

Brian AtlasI don't think so um I mean we could okay guys fine TTS is for like 10 minutes for 10 minutes TTS is um wait let me let these come through then hold

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TTS/Donation readerkikos the black Kuma Gremlin I'm sad I won't see more next week life goes on she she she's back there and she said

Brian Atlaswhat what what does that even mean she says what does that even mean should I be offended thank you rage do appreciate it guys TTS is temporarily at 69 just while we eat the pizza just so we can

TTS/Donation readerhave a little rage donated $200 wait your dad used a condom your mom on birth control and they still produced you that's what we call a raw

Brian Atlasdeal however they could have wed you into a vacuum be grateful life blessing I wish they did uh thank you rage I do appreciate it that's very kind

Brian Atlasof you $69 TTS while we eat this pizza guys just giving people a little food break here um Kiko was even so nice to get a cheese pizza but unfortunately still didn't work I guess I got cheese and

Kikopepperoni yeah so people who can't eat meat but yeah didn't really but he said it was Kiko she looks like she eats Taco Bell at 1:00 a.m. when else that's a roast why would I eat Taco Bell at any time besides 1: in the morning I feel

Kikolike it's more of a roast to eat Taco Bell like at 1:00 p.m. than 1:00 a.m. like M that's a very reasonable time to eat Taco Bell agreed sorry I'm young and turn dark cavia can you read this dark

Daviacavia can you tell the story about when you came over and saw my lightsaver oh that's um I know who that is

Brian Atlasoh so it's true what uh what color was the lifesaber blue what color was his

Brian Atlaspenis wow okay then she was really quick with those responses wait Lexi question for you though cuz you mentioned like the but who created that system right

Brian Atlasmhm when we were talking about like men being drafted um I think that's an interesting conversation to have but sure you do but before I I mean we it

Brian Atlaswas like 5 minutes ago I should have brought this up in the moment but I actually would be interested in having that conversation but first you need to

Brian Atlasconcede that men are oppressed in this Dimension I never said that they weren't yeah but are they sure oh

Amandaokay can I also concede that and then engage yes okay I like the bodily autonomy conversation you guys have sometimes especially when it brings up

Amandalike the draft and stuff um because can you guys share your position do you think removing the bodily autonomy of a woman's right to an abortion and then

Amandathe man's bodily autonomy and respect to a draft that those are equal

Amandain like severity yes yeah okay worse for the men no so then it's not equal in

Andrew Wilsonseverity yeah I know I just rethought it okay yeah can you explain why yeah okay

Andrew Wilsonso the general idea here at least for me the belief that I have is that that's a human life anyway and so all all I'm

Andrew Wilsondoing is interceding to prevent a murder whereas the draft women can actually vote to send me off to war and they don't actually have to fight in those Wars I consider that to be a worst and

Andrew Wilsonmuch more egregious um thing yeah have you have you fought in war before no would it matter no you just

Andrew Wilsonlike to talk about it have you had an abortion before no well then what like so what I wasn't talking about abortion but yeah but that's the comparison we're

Andrew Wilsondrawing you like talking about war yeah men like to talk about war they never been part of it sounds like Trum but you Val like to talk about abortion even if they never had an abort like what what's your point but you value a human life

Kikomore than an animal life yeah that's true yeah so it's all about also values H I don't think you're the one to speak for animal rights cuz you were

Mariatalking about letting humans [ __ ] well I'm I'm a vegan I'm a vegan so I could I could talk about vegan rights I'm talk about vegan rights but you already said

Kikoyou co ACK Dog and that's a whole different topic $69 TTS next 5 minutes we're waiting on the the reason that we should be able to

Andrew Wilsoneat animals is because they can't do anything about it what the [ __ ] and they taste really good okay so we should be able to they can't do do something about that so there we go I mean he's trolling

Andrew Wilsonyou guys literally literally what do you mean we can't the Supreme Court ruled it I have the force of the nation Supreme Court Of The Nation at my back it was a

Andrew Wilsonconstitutional right for 50 years and now it's not and now it's not so that's called Force Doctrine so the thing is it's like anim can't do [ __ ] about it

Andrew Wilsonthat's right cuz a force Doctrine yous can't kill your kids cuz of force doctr a fetus itself can not do anything about it yeah but the men can do something about it and we are you have a question

Brian Atlasgo ahead we outlawed it what are women going to do we got let talk we got you go back to the draft thing yeah go ahead and then do you guys

Amandahave like a position on do you think it should be like that the government should impose the draft I think everyone would say that well yeah they're going to have they're going to have to at some

Amandapoint yeah so so you think that there shouldn't be a draft no he just said he does think what's your question like do you think the should impose a draft yes

Brian Atlasthere has to be a draft has to be you mean should a draft exist like exist yeah should a government be potential for you to be drafted yeah it should and do you think

Brian Atlasthat both men and women should be a part of the draft you disag agree I do oh okay so I do too oh well let me I don't want anyone fighting for my country that doesn't want to willingly do it yeah but no let me let let me give you an example

Brian Atlasthen there won't be a country let me give you an example would you guys kindly shut up let me ask the question okay so you think there should be a draft you think

Brian Atlasthere or excuse me sorry misspoke alcohol whatever you think there should not be a draft you think there should not be a draft right okay

Brian Atlaslet's say in the scenario where there's a belligerent uh another Nation a belligerent Other Nation say China for example and we know that they're going

Kikoto invade us love this argument oh Ryan that's the

KikoBanquets wait wait good all right can party Foul okay hey still the

Brian Atlassh it's just that area doesn't work uh Damian can you write a out the message for the $69 TTS thing just so you know you know what it looks like maybe it's okay so China's going to invade right

Brian Atlasand let's assume in this scenario that China has a more powerful military than the United States and we have a volunteer Force this is hypothetical right so I'm I'm in this scenario I'm saying that China has a superior

Brian AtlasSuperior military right and let's remove nuclear weapons from this convers ation just because I mean that'll just be a nuclear uh apocalypse and so in the scenario where China has a stronger

Brian Atlasmilitary and you have a volunteer force and you know it doesn't even have to be China but let's say we know the intentions of what China's doing they're going to come in and here's what they're going to do they are going to put to the

Brian Atlaswell wouldn't be the sword because there's guns they're going to kill every single man in the country they're going to take all the women as War Bri

Brian Atlasand they're going to essay the women we can stop this belligerent Other Nation here's the thing we have to force

Brian Atlaspeople to go and fight and to prevent this do you think as a woman knowing that this other country if we don't go and force it could even be both men and women but it would be men if we don't

Brian Atlasforce the men to go and fight they're going to be killed anyways and then all the women are going to be killed or not killed they're going to be essay to do you would you then vote for the

Brian Atlasdraft no so just to be clear okay versus putting we and in this hypothetical there's a high certainty of probability that if we do draft the men to go to

Brian Atlaswar we would be able to repel this belligerent nation that wants to murder every single person in it and Essay all the women you would still vote against it yeah I know it it it would entail you

Amandabeing I know what that means all okay okay so I agree yeah you agree she made a great point that she was like I don't want anyone fighting for the country that doesn't believe in the country Andrew then brought up then you might

Amandanot have a country I understand both of those things that are being entailed and I do think that like that countries should like exist because people want them to exist but

Kikoyou I think that we have a plenty of people who are already willing I agree to fight if they're not they're Liars because all these trumpers magga flaggers whatever look like they're ready to go on up in front Force cuz I

KikoI'm not even a Trumper but I if it was like oh we were going to war I would sign up myself I don't think the majority of women would do the same thing but that's exactly why I agree Because unless you Forefront willingly want to fight for our country I don't

Amandawant you fighting for I totally agree I do not need in in this situation and especially if we're going to like talk about the United States I do not think it would ever get to the point where like you would need a draft I think

Brian Atlaspeople would I think people would voluntarily I mean that's fine that you think that but I but in this hypothetical these trumpers they have their but hold on in this hypoth stop

Brian Atlasstop stop stop in this hypothetical sure there would be plenty of men knowing that this would be the outcome would go and volunteer but even the volunteer

Brian AtlasForce isn't enough you would still have in order to uh expel this threat or defeat the threat you would still have to go ahead and draft men if you don't it's the end of the country

Brian Atlasthey're going to invade they're going to kill all the men they're going to you know do what they do to the children and to you I think it's horrible I I do can I

Brian Atlasthat's basically p word versus I word at that point like exact what we' been talking like do people at so look at least you're consistent in your belief of like hey not being for the draft but

Brian Atlasgiven the reality that men do have to register for the Selective Service it it like governments and nations are not going to relinquish their right to force

Brian Atlasits citizenry into a military conflict if they deem it necessary to ensure the continuity of the nation or the state or the government I don't disagree with

Brian Atlasthat I think it's wrong but can I add something well war is wrong War bad yes but war is a reality exactly it's not something that's going to go away they're not going to give up like

Brian Atlasthey're not going to give up the power to forcibly raise a military they just won't so it's just kind of like I understand what you're saying I'm just I want my position is that that's bad but so like all platitudes of like well we

Brian Atlasshould just end the draft and Selective Service it's just a waste of time and energy that should be devoted to um I would also argue that even if the

Andrew Wilsonselective service was removed that if wartime came around the government would just reinstitute it it would be towards Min again can I add something please I want to add something to this what

Sheena Ray Reynoldsyou're saying I actually just saw the proof in the last few months that it's completely wrong cuz like in my country a lot of women talk like you I don't want to go to war oh my God I'm against

Sheena Ray ReynoldsWar I'm against this but no but you said I'm against like war and fighting right that's what you say of course and I that's what I'm saying so let me just say something I know plenty of women and

Sheena Ray Reynoldsmen that said what you said and when [ __ ] went down okay they are the first one they are the first one they were like sorry to say that but they are the

Amandafirst one they've been persecuted okay oh okay well so to that I would also say some of those people would be the first ones to actually be like actually I'll fight so like but you sometimes you can't fight because it's too late and

Sheena Ray Reynoldsjust I want to add something in general to all of of all of you here the the level of oblivious the people and specifically women have in this country that it's cannot be a war in America

Sheena Ray Reynoldsjust a second let me finish no one's saying that it's no you you said before no it's not going to happen it's not going no I did not say that not you but they it's not going to happen got to make up for that this is this is

Sheena Ray Reynoldscompletely crazy because it could instantly be I agree with that be a war and if you not one and each of you be stepping up and be ready that something

Sheena Ray Reynoldslike that could happen regardless wait regardless wait let me finish I'm not saying to you I'm saying regardless to our feelings no no I'm I'm talking in general okay sorry but I meant to the

Sheena Ray Reynoldsmajority of the people here sorry I'm saying if people not prepared a man doesn't I give you an example a man doesn't have to go and be crazy and and Al living people right but the men need to know how to do it and be prepared

Sheena Ray Reynoldsjust in case something happen with that being said everybody should be prepared because everything is diverse that could chain in an instant of a minute okay I like what you said because I also think like it's been brought up before that

Amandathen it would always be the men but then the women might have this other obligation to birth children against their you know like their will if it came down to it needing

Sheena Ray Reynoldstoate repopulate that happened in Soviet Russia and I it's happening right now in my country their will exactly that they out point in my country it's happening right now they telling the women in the news everywhere they said you have to

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