FINAL SHOW! RAGE QUIT Keeko vs. Andrew Wilson IRL! Shina! Shaman Pro Cuddler?! | Dating Talk #222

Date: 2024-12-18

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSheena Ray Reynolds >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Davia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kiko(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lexi(guest)

SPEAKER_05Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_06Sheena Ray Reynolds(guest)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Maria(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian opens the final show of the year: 'I'm your host Brian Atlas.' Sets up the year-end finale atmosphere.

ControversySheena criticizes Davia for staying with a cheating ex-boyfriend. Davia pushes back hard. Lexi mediates. First major panel confrontation of the night — sets up running Davia/Sheena tension throughout the episode.

ControversyDuring the Davia confrontation, Sheena says 'I have a gun' — panel reacts with shock. Brian de-escalates.

ControversyAndrew asks Maria the shaman/animal communicator: if she can communicate with animals, could she ask an animal if it would consent to sex with a human? Maria responds: 'technically there is no problem.' Panel erupts in shock and disgust. Brian is speechless.

OtherA champagne bottle cork hits the ceiling during a celebratory moment, leaving a visible dent. Brian points it out.

ControversySheena uses a TOS-violating word (the r-word) despite prior warnings. Brian gives a final warning and threatens to ask her to leave the show. Sheena apologizes but panel and Brian are visibly frustrated.

QuoteBrian delivers his final warning speech to Sheena: explains clearly that this is her last chance, that she will be asked to leave if she uses TOS-violating language again. The speech is firm but measured.

Key MomentBody count roundtable: Kiko ~23 (disputed from prior episode), Lexi 4, Amanda 11, Maria 46 ('channeled from the angels via shaman reading'), Davia unclear, Sheena did not state, Brian claims virgin.

Key MomentSelf-ratings round: Lexi says 6, Amanda says 9, Maria says 10, Sheena says 8. Brian rates himself a 5 ('really six'). Andrew abstains.

ControversyBrian calls Kiko the f-word (f*ggot) during a confrontation over her repeatedly interrupting and trying to grab pizza. Kiko objects strongly and loudly. Panel reacts — many are shocked. Brian does not back down immediately.

ControversySheena accuses Andrew Wilson of running a 'con artist dating service' — a case of mistaken identity. Andrew fires back hard and aggressively. This triggers a major verbal confrontation between Andrew and Sheena about how he has treated her 'like a piece of shit' throughout the show.

ControversyAndrew and Sheena's major verbal confrontation: Sheena says he treated her like a piece of shit all night; Andrew dismisses this and calls her out on the false dating service accusation. Both raise their voices. Brian has to intervene.

OtherKiko reads hate mail messages during the hate mail session. She reads messages roasting other panelists and eventually calls out Brian while reading a message directed at him.

QuoteBrian announces the final show wrap-up: going on a 3-6 week holiday break. Thanks the panel, the crew, and the audience for an incredible year.

Topics Discussed

Show Intro and Announcements

Brian opens the final show of the year, announces it's the last show before a 3-6 week holiday break. Addresses the panel format, previews the night's guests, and sets the tone for a rowdy year-end finale.

Guest Introductions

Brian goes around the table having all guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation, relationship status. First round: Kiko (bartender, Santa Barbara, in relationship), Lexi (student, OC, open relationship/bisexual), Amanda (law student, lesbian, in relationship), Maria (shaman/pro cuddler, 44, single). Davia and Sheena introduced later (~[0:15:09] and [0:16:59]) due to late arrival. Andrew Wilson last at [0:17:10].

Relationship Status Roundtable

Each panelist describes their relationship situation in detail. Includes Davia's situationship with cheating ex (sparking confrontation with Sheena), Lexi's open relationship, Amanda's lesbian marriage and divorce, Maria's recent breakup and restraining order filing, Sheena's 11-year marriage and 1.5 years single. Extended discussion on staying with cheaters, emotional unavailability, and red flags in modern dating.

Davia vs Sheena Confrontation

Sheena criticizes Davia for staying with a cheating ex-boyfriend. Davia pushes back; Lexi mediates. The conflict escalates with Sheena saying 'I have a gun' during the exchange (~[0:29:32]). The tension between Davia and Sheena persists throughout the episode. This sets up the episode's running interpersonal conflict.

Flake Statistics and Late Guest Messages

Discussion of the two guests who were supposed to appear but flaked. Brian reads their messages aloud to the panel — a mix of excuses and genuine issues. Panel reacts. Discussion of how commonly women flake on the show and what it signals.

Politics, Trump Voting, and Cutting Off Relationships

Panel debates whether it's reasonable to cut off friends or family over political differences (specifically voting for Trump). Lexi says yes, she cuts off people who vote for Trump. Amanda has a nuanced view. Andrew argues this reveals an impoverished social life and political tribalism. Brian contrasts cutting political ties with dating/friendship based on values alignment.

Transactional vs Duty-Based Relationships

Andrew presents his framework: healthy relationships are duty-based (you fulfill your role as husband/wife because it's right, not because of what you get in return). The panel largely operates on a transactional model. Andrew argues transactional thinking leads to instability. Discussion of whether women should submit, what men owe women, and how open relationships fit into this framework.

Transgender Identity and Disclosure Debate

Extended multi-hour debate on: whether trans women are women, whether a trans person must disclose their trans status before sex, whether a man who sleeps with a trans woman is straight or gay, the ethics of non-disclosure, and how biology relates to identity. Amanda (lesbian) argues trans women are women. Andrew argues biological sex is immutable. Brian explores the legal and ethical angles. Multiple panelists share personal takes.

Shaman and Animal Communication Philosophical Debate

Andrew asks Maria (the shaman/animal communicator) whether she could ask an animal via her abilities whether the animal would consent to sex with a human. Maria responds that 'technically there is no problem' — causing widespread shock on the panel. This leads to debate on the limits of spiritual frameworks, the difference between philosophical hypotheticals and real-world ethics, and whether Maria's worldview has any guard rails.

Does Whatever Teach Men to Hate Women

Panel confronts the recurring criticism that the Whatever podcast teaches misogyny. Andrew defends the show as exposing the consequences of feminist dating culture. The female panelists split: some say the show has value, others say it is structured to humiliate women. Brian defends his framing as honest observation, not hate. Discussion of online criticism, cancel attempts, and the show's mission.

Traditional Gender Roles and Patriarchy Debate

Andrew presents the case for traditional gender roles and patriarchy as a functional social structure that protects women and children. Lexi and Amanda resist strongly. Maria takes a spiritual angle. Brian probes whether any of the women would choose a traditional role if they could. Debate on whether feminism has helped or hurt women's happiness statistics.

Bear vs Man in the Forest Debate

The classic 'would you rather encounter a bear or a man alone in the forest' debate. Multiple panelists choose the bear. Andrew and Brian argue this reveals a deeply negative (and statistically unjustified) view of men. Amanda and Lexi defend the choice as a reasonable risk assessment. Extended debate on whether this reflects personal trauma, media-driven fear, or genuine statistical logic.

TTS Roast Intermission

Brian opens a $69/message TTS roast session. Donors send increasingly creative roasts of individual panelists. Sheena receives multiple roasts related to her TOS violations. Maria receives roasts about the animal consent moment. The session temporarily releases tension from earlier confrontations.

Open Relationships Discussion

Panel discusses open relationships in depth following revelations from Lexi (open relationship) and Maria (open to non-monogamy). Andrew makes the case that open relationships are inherently unstable and driven by one partner's desire. Brian asks whether any of the panelists' partners actually wanted the open relationship or just agreed to avoid losing them. Discussion of jealousy, communication, and the real outcomes of open arrangements.

Men as Primary Victims of War

Andrew argues that men are the primary victims of war — they are the ones conscripted, killed, and traumatized. The panel resists. Brian supports Andrew's framing. Lexi argues women are also harmed by war (as refugees, victims of wartime sexual violence, etc.). Andrew: the difference is men are deliberately killed in combat while women are harmed as collateral. Panel debates whether the draft and selective service are feminist issues.

Abortion, Bodily Autonomy, and the Draft

Panel debates the bodily autonomy argument for abortion. Andrew: if bodily autonomy justifies abortion, it also justifies men refusing child support and avoiding the draft. Lexi and Amanda argue these are not comparable situations. Brian explores the asymmetry: women can abort, men cannot compel or prevent birth, yet both are bound financially. Extended debate on equal reproductive rights.

Body Count Roundtable

Brian asks each panelist their body count in turn. Results: Kiko ~23 (disputed), Lexi 4, Amanda 11, Maria 46 (shaman reading), Davia unclear, Sheena did not state, Brian claims virgin. Extended debate on whether body count matters, the difference between men's and women's body count in terms of social value and pair bonding research, and whether caring about body count is hypocritical.

Self-Ratings Round

Panelists rate themselves on a 1-10 scale. Results: Lexi=6, Amanda=9, Maria=10, Sheena=8, Davia unclear (~5-6), Brian=5 (then 'really six'), Andrew abstained. Brian uses the ratings to discuss how self-perception correlates with behavior and relationship choices.

AI Age Filter and Aging Discussion

Brian uses an AI age filter on panelists to show what they'll look like older. Discussion of how aging affects attraction and whether people plan for it. Sheena, at 50, is the clearest case study. Maria takes a spiritual angle about aging and inner beauty. Andrew makes the case for marrying young.

Hate Mail Reading Session

Brian opens a $29/message hate mail TTS session. Kiko reads hate messages directed at various panelists. Messages roast Brian, Sheena, Kiko, and others. Kiko calls Brian out while reading a message. The session becomes increasingly chaotic as the show nears its end.

Patrice O'Neal Clip

Brian plays a clip of Patrice O'Neal discussing relationships and women's hypergamy. Panel reacts. Andrew and Brian use the clip to reinforce their arguments from earlier in the night. The female panelists are largely dismissive of Patrice.

Final Show Wrap-Up and Year-End Thanks

Brian wraps up the final show of the year. Thanks the panel, the crew, and the viewers. Announces the 3-6 week holiday break. Sheena and Andrew have their final confrontation just before wrap. Brian closes the year reflecting on the show's growth and upcoming plans.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasviolence but I I do think the trans individual would be safer if they made a disclosure as early as possible for example agree for example if they were to go on a date and have sex with a

Brian Atlasperson and not disclose then this could potentially lead to a violent interaction if they were to disclose afterwards or this indiv individual were

Brian Atlasto find out but you did make a differentiation when it came came to uh who would be I guess obligated to disclose based on their uh based on how

Brian Atlasmuch of a transition they've made and you said well if they've not made much of a transition or they haven't had the genitalia surgery then yes they do but if they've done everything bottom

Brian Atlassurgery then no no Duty there uh but I I would argue that the I think the bigger bamboozle here because for example if a straight man would have an objection to

Brian Atlassleeping with somebody with a penis when the penis is inevitably discovered right because postop or pre-operatively uh this would then give them an opportunity

Brian Atlasto remove their consent and exit the situation however somebody who is genuinely heterosexual who is genuinely straight and you do have some sort of uh

Brian Atlaspassing Neo vagina which I think is unlikely because a Neo vagina is not a vagina but in any case granting that it is you have essentially forced somebody

Brian Atlasinto what I view as a homosexual act which I think is technically saay but I do want to say that you the from the safety concern uh you've gone ahead

Brian Atlaslike if there's a discovery of a penis the the person can while frustrated knows immediately and then can extract themselves from the situation if you have like I said a passing Neo vagina

Brian Atlasyou could induce an otherwise heterosexual man to engage in a homosexual act what makes a homosexual okay sure the fact I got it I got it I

Lexigot it okay so uh transgender women are women yes okay are transgender women female again I think if they've had all the surgeries and they're on all the

Lexihormones and they look which feminine which surgery TR changes your chromosomes which one is that it doesn't but can you see chromosomes in like a person yeah you can see the phenotypes

Andrew Wilsonfrom the chromosome okay so if you were looking at me right now what gender would you say I am I would say well F so I wouldn't say your gender at all I'd

Andrew Wilsonsay your sex I would think would be female based on secondary sex characteristics okay so um what what are the so your so your phenotypical expression so there's a

Andrew Wilsonphenotypical expression with your genotype okay so your genotype's male genotype female and then you have a phenotypical expression that goes with it but you changing the phenotypical expression well sure can can you see

Andrew Wilsonokay hang on can I do a magic trick right now where it would appear to you as though I could make a quarter disappear but did the quarter actually disappear no I can trick you right and

Andrew Wilsonpeople's eyes can be tricked but that doesn't actually mean that the phenotypical expression itself has anything to do with the actual genotype

Lexiokay but why why is not being able to change your chromosomes why is that a deciding factor for if it's homosexual

Brian Atlasor not okay yeah so uh straight is short form sling for heterosexual correct yes yeah uh so heterosexual and homosexual these terms have always related to one's

Brian Atlassex not their gender first of all the same sex attraction opposite sex attraction has nothing to do with gender so I'll go ahead and Grant that transgender women are women transgender women are not female so two males

Brian Atlasengaged in a romantic or sexual relationship definitionally is homosexual a male and a female in a hold on hold on a male and a female who are engaged in a romantic or sexual

Brian Atlasrelationship that would be heterosexual you can a male and a male who are engaged what makes that heterosexual the sex the literally the definition unless you're going to be a a science denier

Brian Atlaswhich is seems increasingly common amongst liberals you're going to have to explain to me how somebody can change their sex unless you're prepared to disregard

Brian Atlasand deny uh decades or even centuries of bi biological uh science which is in fact a science it's not a soft science uh so

Lexiunless you're prepared to deny science you're going to have to explain to me how a male can become a female with the surgery to give them the organs does it does that so wait wait hold on hold on

Lexihold on if you're going to nitpick the organ thing right now and start saying like oh uterus and okay um are they are they

Brian Atlasare are they are they a woman before the surgery no exactly wait so you're saying transgender women are not women wow

Brian Atlasthat's pretty uh insulting to people who are identifi as transgender saying what I'm saying is they can identify as a woman and they can have the characteristics of a woman and they can

Lexibe going through the process of becoming a woman a female but you're switching the topic you said that because the chromosomes won't change that makes it

Lexiuh homosexual and I was asking why is that Cas well there's a simple way to phrase it can a woman become a transwoman can a a woman become a trans woman can a female become a trans woman

Andrew Wilsonwhy not because they're already a female okay that doesn't answer my question though what you just said is that they can't change their sex they can't can't change any part

Andrew Wilsonabout themselves to make them more of a woman why can't they be a transwoman they can't be because they're already a woman so then what you're saying is that a trans woman it's not a woman right is not a woman no they are a woman exactly

Andrew Wilsonthat transition that transitioned into being a woman wait that's impossible how is that impossible I'm going to show you okay why can't a woman be a transwoman is the correct answer that

Andrew Wilsonyou're looking for chromosomes you know I don't I don't need you to look for whatever the correct answer is I'm just looking for your answer but that's what I'm asking because I don't have an

Andrew Wilsonanswer so is it don't have an answer is it why well I'm just asking why it's this is what do you what's your answer you well you think why do you need to know my answer to know your position no I'm not I'm wondering what your position

Lexiis why does it matter because you're the one questioning me and so my position doesn't matter saying you guys are the one saying that it's homosexual because you can't change it no no I'm not I'm not even asking that I'm just asking I'm asking about a previous thing that still

Andrew Wilsonhas know but but this is your but this is you can internal internally critique my position I'm fine with that but what you're doing right now is you're just office gting as you don't want to answer I'll answer your questions but answer mine first so why does yours need to be

Andrew Wilsonanswered first okay I'll tell you what I'll let you ask your questions right uh ask all of them but then I want you to promise that after I answer them all you'll answer mine okay okay go ahead

Lexiokay so why is why does not having female chromosomes make a sexual act home homosexual if the male to female transition has been fully complete wait

Brian AtlasI do need to correct you there you mean man to woman because you cannot go from male to female I reject your presupposition huh yeah for the sh for the sh agree she just agreed she said

Andrew Wilsonyeah fine man here well it it's actually really simple so um if two male dogs were having sex would they be engaged in a homosexual act um does one have a

Lexipenis or not they both have penises okay think about what dogs then it's not a male tooman transformation that we're talking about

Andrew Wilsonit' be a homosexual act right because both of them have penises yes okay what if one of the dogs didn't have a penis then how would they be having sex the one dog would be humping the other dog the one with the penis would be humping

Lexithe one without the penis yeah okay then I wouldn't say that that's homosexual why would that be homosexual so the male dog is no longer male I think comparing humans to animals in this scenario is is actually kind of

Lexidegrading but degrading where human beings are animals uh we have higher brain cognitive function and we have the ability so are you saying human beings are not animals I'm not saying that

Andrew Wilsonbiologically what are you talking about we're all animals like what do you mean we have a higher function I a dog cannot choose whether or not they want to be that's but that's the whole point that Brian's making now you got it right so if the dog can't make the choice the

Andrew Wilsongender Choice which is this construction of the Mind the construction of the Mind gender is not exist in objective reality the sex does exist in objective reality okay so if that is the case there's no

Andrew Wilsonway for you to ever determine that a dog could ever be a female unless it told you right yes yeah got it so then even if one dog had no penis and another dog did have a penis and that dog was having

Andrew Wilsonsex with the dog had no penis it would still be a homosexual Act Right sure then how would that so so then why wouldn't that translate to hum

Andrew Wilsonwell because the only difference is is that you're saying that if the dog one dog who currently is a homeless hang on hang on you're saying the one dog currently who's engaged in the homosexual act were able to somehow turn

Andrew Wilsonits head around and just speak in perfect English and say by the way I'm a girl dog it would now be a female that's why that's why it makes no sense okay

Lexilet me let me clarify if that dog was able to get uh a transitional surgery where it had a dog vagina and it had dog

Andrew Wilsontitties then yes it would be a female dog so so I just want to make sure if I were to like mad scientist this up and just grabbed a random male dog from the

Andrew Wilsonstreet took its penis off gave it a Neo vagina then gave it dog titties somehow hang on hang on I did all that I did all that when the other male dog comes in

Andrew Wilsonright and has sex with it right that other dog in your view is a female yes what what makes it that that I because it does not have a penis and it has got it so then what's the distinction then

Andrew Wilsonif that dog somehow had some birth defect that it grew titties and then it lost its penis because it got hit by a car how is it not still a male dog then how is it still not a male dog

Lexiwould it would it be a male dog then based off of looks I not based off of looks based off of male God based off of male yeah so your whole arguments coming back to chromosomes and how it was born

Andrew Wilsonno no I'm just asking you what would make it that is if a man lost his penis in an accident lost his penis in an accident and then had a massive quantity of right that's it there we go what does

Andrew Wilsonhe identify as so this is the social construction aspect which only humans can do yes yes this is the social construction aspect so if that is the case how is that not true I tell you how it's not true no no you don't say

Andrew Wilsonanything for a second let me finish holy [ __ ] before you [ __ ] it up again so so really simple really simple if it is a social construction mhm and it has to be identified as a social construction a as

Andrew Wilsona product of purely the mind okay then the physical aspect hasn't changed unless you go through the surgeries no because if it were the case that some man let's just say some man

Andrew Wilsonwas walking down the street and his penis was cut off and through some freakish [ __ ] accident okay a razor came flying down cut a huge slit open

Andrew Wilsonright there and he had to they had to keep it open for some reason a penis could fit into it technically then his body up the estrogen and he was able to grow boobs and he had to have that done

Andrew Wilsonfor some reason and he said that he was a man he'd be a man right thank you

LexiRobert what if a traumatic accident that's super unlikely to ever happen gave the same conditionals for the for this person all the phyes versus

Andrew Wilsonsomebody going through actual professional treatments yes how is that comparable because if all I'm saying is if there was some freak accident which somehow gave the same exact conditionals

Andrew Wilsonas what you would consider the phenotypical expression of a female to be but still call themselves a man you would say that they were a man so the only thing that would make him a woman

Kikois you saying they're a woman that's it right I mean if you want to put me in that box sure how well how else could it work it's not it's not what they're saying you don't decide what they are but you basically whatever someone says

Lexithey are you're going to agree it's not just what their overall saying because how how am I somebody who doesn't know their life doesn't know how what they've been through I don't know what's in

Lexitheir head it doesn't matter it's em it doesn't matter why do I can I tell you no why do I have the right to dictate what somebody else does with their own body because it's not about doing their

Sheena Ray Reynoldsown it's not it's not the point the point is that emotions emotions are irrelevant you need to look at reality in the face she doesn't born a woman she's not a woman it's simple as that

Sheena Ray Reynoldsyou guys got doctrinated for 20 years they brainwashed you that it's a it's a woman it's a woman but it's not a woman it's a man pretending to be a woman and

Sheena Ray Reynoldsgoing through the surgery and manipula manipulate let the the problem is that they manipulate their body okay it's a huge difference let's say I

Sheena Ray Reynoldswant to do a nose job right my nose is big I want to do a nose job I still stay my same sex I can change my face I can change my boobs but I'm still the same sex but they forcing people right who's

Sheena Ray Reynoldsforcing who the the people who I don't want to say names but the people who make that all agenda right they forcing let me finish they forcing people okay

Sheena Ray Reynoldsto have a male changing his sex and forcing and forcing regular men who are not gay by any mean okay to manipulate them to think that they are women this

Sheena Ray Reynoldsperson is not a woman it's a men pretending to be a woman and it's not correct because it's manipulating it's a huge manipulation in society you sit here for an hour and argument about chromosome you scared when Andrew and

Sheena Ray Reynoldshim told you about chromosomes everything time they mentioned the word chromosome yeah but it's like you fear from that and I I realize I realize all people that think like you scared from the chromosome thing not it's a

Sheena Ray Reynoldsbiological listen it's a biological fact you can so how about I'm 23 I'm not 50 I'm 23 I'm

Sheena Ray Reynolds23 I'm tall I'm I'm I'm whatever 6 foot I'm 23 and I'm 6 foot and you just don't look at me right is something wrong with your sight I want to understand what's wrong with your sight because I'm young I'm

Sheena Ray Reynolds23 is that is that seem the same it's manipulation and it's lying it's a complete lying and and you agree with a line it makes it a lie what makes it a manipulation who's manipulating people

Lexito change their gender it's manipulation because no no I actually I'm actually worried I'm actually really worried as to what makes you think people are manipulating other people plenty what

Amandaare you talking about especially have to allow the person to respond actually I would love to hear what you say because I haven't really heard much from this side of the table well I was just going to say especially if you disclose and if you agree that it's homosexual like

Sheena Ray Reynoldswhat's the problem like what's the issue I don't have problem I don't have problem listen I don't have problem right to De I don't have problem with homosexuals or with gay I even have a couple in my family I have no problem

Sheena Ray Reynoldswith that whatsoever but I lived in the '90s and the 2000 and I knew the gay community was completely different today wa I did I did I've been here since the 90s back and forth with my family it's

Sheena Ray Reynoldsnot true it's the same also also in Israel actually in Israel we have a huge gay community yeah we have a huge gay community it's even worse than here trust me T Aviv it's the worst but what

Brian AtlasI'm trying to this is getting [ __ ] too it's I'm cutting you off man you can't [ __ ] help yourself man I have a question for you no it's that's has to be [ __ ] TOS bro but it's not to I'm not saying something you don't know what

Brian Atlasto oh my you don't even what is TOS tell me what to is I don't know how to trans but I'm careful with my words N you're my God bro so the

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] massive [ __ ] mistake the question the question basically just comes down to this right so if if I if I show you a dollar do I don't know if you

Andrew Wilsonhave a $2 bill there or not but the idea is there we go so how much is this is this

Lexiworth $2 what makes it worth $2 that's what society and the government has um assigned to it so what is this in actuality paper that's the argument

Andrew Wilsonexactly so the idea here is really simple the idea here is is that the social construction aspect of this is that this seemingly symbol of two equals $2 and if

Andrew WilsonI hand it to you you and I have assessed that value as being $2 MH right or it could be a 20 or it could be a 100 but what are we actually looking at we're actually looking at objectively a piece

Andrew Wilsonof paper the construction side of the piece of paper is its value what you're doing is a bait and switch you're saying the construction side this is

Andrew Wilsonactually right in objective reality worth $2 it's not though it's worth whatever whatever you'll give me for it right whatever we agree to whatever we agree it is it will be that thing that's

Andrew Wilsonthe distinction between the social construction aspect and the reality aspect you and I both know though that it's just a piece of paper and so this when we when we dive into objective

Andrew Wilsonreality versus the social construction aspect when you say it's a woman a female right because I think that's a female right you can even get people to

Andrew Wilsonagree that it was right or this you know uh animal or person or whoever was doesn't really matter ultimately the

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TTS/Donation readershut this venomous creature up overweight women are not allowed to have opinions question why do women listen to respond and not to understand I think she's listening to understand yeah she's

Andrew Wilsonfine she's doing she uh Bron s thank you for the TTS um I haven't seen you in while can you can you go right in the mic and say that you're Dr roxo the cocaine clown cuz that would be awesome I don't know who that is I don't even

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TTS/Donation readerchampagne of beers Rachel has us laughing our's off on The Crucible a deip Tien is still a man no matter what it transforms

Brian Atlasin yo uh Frank Castle I do appreciate it man thank you uh and we have I'll let this one come through uh are they for real says it's coming in in just a

Brian Atlasmoment uh thank you guys for the messages in nature dangerous animals are brightly colored I.E poison dart frog venomous snakes blue ringed octopus do you have a response to this cuz of the

Brian Atlashair I guess cuz of the hair yeah yeah so they're implying that I'm dangerous because I dyed my hair I think so yes that's the implication cool maybe not

Brian Atlasdangerous but there's it's like brightly color colored like animals or bugs or whatever uh it's like warning like they already know they already know what your point of view

Lexijust because how you look like R radical liberal okay I wouldn't classify myself as a radical liberal uh because there are a lot of things that both sides do

Lexithat I don't agree with um I think it's weird to judge somebody based off of the color of their hair this was literally just for my birthday party uh so sure

Brian Atlasokay um I I did want to have a bit more of an exchange because I don't think we really got to finish unless perhaps I can have it then Andrew I know you wanted to POS some questions unless you've posed them already yeah well and answer them that was our Arrangement

Brian Atlasright I promised I would answer first oh so we didn't even get I just wanted to make sure that I finished whatever her inquiry was okay so well did you guys finish did you get to

Brian Atlasask your questions or I mean I would like to finish sure go ahead mine first and then you guys can have it go ahead so we were having a back and forth on like well what constitutes

Brian Atlasheterosexuality right um so again I just ask is a transgender woman uh female is a transgender woman female yeah if you're going based off of the

Lexidefinitions no because they don't have a uterus they don't have ovaries uh so no M well I mean there's females without OV and uteruses though yeah if they have

Brian Atlasthem taken out um are they going to be warm without them yeah they would still be female uh but so you do I want to debate okay happy to do it Kiko I you can jump

Kikoin if you want no it's different from this so yeah so you acknowledge that transgender women are not females no matter what degree of

Lexioperations they've had I mean if that added information of women can be born without ovaries and yada yada then sure they could be female then okay well even

Lexiusing I suppose your own definition of what male and female is does it even meet your definition honestly I don't I don't think it's that deep if somebody wants

Brian Atlasto transition they should be able to um yeah sure I'll grant that cool but are they female sure yeah okay um so then you

Andrew Wilsonwould agree then that it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman that it's not straight for a man to date a transom yes we're just going

Lexipurely off of homo meaning shame and sex meaning yeah so I definitely don't think it's homosexual for a male to be dating a transom okay so you think it's

Brian Atlasheterosexual then honestly I I would say that it's queer um it falls under the queer umbrella okay um that would be my response I'm actually

Brian Atlasfine with that but I don't think it can ever be heterosexual perhaps you disagree that it's homosexual I disagree that it's homosexual yeah yeah that seems to We can agree that it's not I mean but I don't even if they're not

Andrew Wilsonwilling to Grant it's homosexual but they'll grant that it's not heterosexual I'm I guess it's actually bizarre that with that te is even there like it's not even a requirement that there be same sex at all I don't I don't I've never

Kikoeven understood that but wait for what I see the the argument about how lgbtq like T shouldn't be a part of it because it's not it's it's not about sexuality

Kikonecessarily so it is random that it is involved in it it does seem kind of AG genda based in that sense I'll grant you that but there's but let's get to this else we put them okay sorry go ahead I

Brian Atlasmean and then Kiko are you I mean your positions seem to be that you disagree that it's not straight for men to dat a trans wom has your mind been changed on this or still I'm not going to tell somebody

Kikowhat classifies them as trans but but you will tell someone sorry go ahead go ahead but if you are a man sleeping with

Kikoa transgender woman and she has a penis still I would associate that as queer of some umbrella of course that's not straight but not straight but if it's a

Kikowoman if or if it's a trans woman who's gone through all the operations and no longer has the penis and has a manmade vagina I wouldn't consider that gay cuz

Kikothere's a lot of is it straight though yeah cuz there's a lot of wom who look a lot more like men that dudes have sex with that's considered straight and they give off a lot more

Andrew WilsonManish hang on Kiko that's totally fair the transwoman I just have a single followup then if that's the basis of the criteria I think you should tread lightly what makes what makes about this

Kikoconversation what makes a real if I'm being honest you're beautiful but if I saw you on the street I would think you were a trans man it's

Andrew Wilsonokay but I have a vagina that's fine right and a real one so what makes you any different than a man sleeping with you versus vagina but it's all about appearance actually this is a really good question for you then so then what

Andrew Wilsonjust makes a really ugly woman not a man cuz it's not about being ugly it's about CU but what if you were so ugly you looked just like dude I wouldn't say because you're ugly you look like a

Kikoman that's literally what no what I'm saying is because she's had so much work done she kind of not to her forget what you said to her before that when you

Andrew Wilsonwere giving your explanation you said specifically uh I actually know some women who look more like men than the

Andrew Wilsonmen and it's like okay then what you're doing is you're saying what if there's a really ugly chick who just happens to look like a man what makes her not one so that's what I'm saying to you is I

Kikounderstand what you're you're processing what I said as being ugly versus pretty I don't consider her ugly in the slightest she's a beautiful woman it's nothing about being ugly versus not it's just certain procedures it's certain

Andrew Wilsonprocedures if you're a female if you look just like a man with no procedures whatsoever what makes you not want so this is what I this is the conversation that I was saying I was like I don't want to bring this up right now bring it

Kikoup recently I sered somebody okay I check IDs that's part of my job is checking IDs I never look at the sex I never look at male versus female okay

Kikothis person who handed me the ID made me want to look are they male or female yeah it's Pat no there there was an ex there yeah it's Pat and looking at them I swear to God I

Kikocould not tell if they were a man or a woman yeah it's Pat so old Saturday night life that but that make a man gay for sleeping with them because they did give off a lot of features that looked manly I don't know what they had in their pants well it's not home well okay

Andrew Wilsonthat's why that's why it was a different conversation why I didn't want to bring it up when we were talking about that whole debate it was like a whole other thing that I was actually curious about but that's a point against you right cuz that would just mean that any if if any man out there slept with a woman who was

Andrew Wilsonugly enough to be perceived as a man that's not what I'm okay maybe not but but it's going to be the same but it's going to be the same argument either way it's about distinguishable features look like a or a woman who think a woman

Kikolooks like a man are going to perceive that woman as being ugly right no yeah no because it's all about perception cuz I think a lot of women look like men who other men will think are beautiful the most gorgeous woman

Andrew Wilsonever and I'm like she looks sure yeah that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying is that if you have a man if you have a chick who looks exactly like a man and a heterosexual man has sex with her but she's born a female you would

Andrew Wilsonnever say that that was homosexual ever can you wait repeat what you just said if you had a woman who just looked like a man a woman who for whatever reason they were born that way they just happened to look they had they

Andrew Wilsonhad I would say ugly parent but let's say not ugly right whatever your subjective metric is for this okay just look like it's Pat from Saturday you couldn't tell right looked like a man

Andrew Wilsonfrom your perspective wasn't right female born a female you would never say that the man who slept with that woman was a was a homosexual that would be crazy

Kikoright so it's all it's all about perception and what you believe that's why I've said I believe asking perception belief cuz that's what I'm saying there when you walk down the street some people believe that they can tell every

Kikosingle person who's transition it's that's not the case that's not the truth I didn't say it was okay so my whole point is if they still have male reproductive parts M and another male

Andrew Wilsonhas sex with them I would consider that on the queer Spectrum but if a manes so so a woman who doesn't identify is anything but a woman a female no I'm saying a manale with yeah but a female

Andrew Wilsonwho identifies nothing but a female okay and just happens to look just like a man if a if a heterosexual man slept with that woman you would classify that as being lgbtq no no no no no no that's not

KikoI said at all why not because they have a ah V that's right that's what I'm saying I cuz I I believe if you if she

Kikois a transitioning woman but fully is transitioned mhm that there they're an acting as a female but if you as a man or sleeping

Andrew Wilsonwith a trans woman who still has male reproductive parts I would consider that queer okay well let's find out if that's true so she's born right and unfortunately she had a deformed vagina

Andrew Wilsonthey had to close this up and she can only go to the bathroom through a catheter okay born a female okay Mary's a man right he loves her is he still is he is is is this now an lgbtq Rel I'm

Kikotalking about if this person had they don't have to have a vagina but if they vagina's gone now I don't care if it's gone I'm talking about if they have a penis if they're slinging dick and a man sleeps with them yes that's gay but if

Kikothey don't anymore I don't consider that gay born they're born with a penis it doesn't matter what they're born with I'm talking about in the moment they are in their donies in their pants if they have nothing I don't know what that is

Andrew Wilsonthat we need to make a word for that so what if you had a female who just was deformed she doesn't have a penis yeah but what if she had had something shaped like a penis but she was just deformed are you talking about an enlarged clitoris that's two different things than a pen yeah but it was so enlarged

Kikoit it was made to look like one but we know scientifically that wouldn't happen I'm talking it has happened I'm talking about a fool dick and balls they talking about a male talking a male two

Kikodifferent things I don't know how hard that is you're talking about a male versus a female that's my you don't even disagree with me right now no I do I do disagree I'm trying to I'm trying to show you something which is important so okay so here right I know you're married

KikoI know you have your life together MH but say you met a woman mhm and you slep with her sure and then two weeks later you find out that she's a fully transitioned woman would you now

Sheena Ray Reynoldsconsider yourself gay no cuz he didn't know about it of course not she deceived him if he knew that's a whole different conversation deceivement is a whole no deceivement is a whole different talking about the actual act disclosure yes it

Kikowould be deception that's the whole different debate though I'm talking about you if knew wait it's not and I can prove it to you okay we can just do a blind you were

Andrew Wilsonattracted to her you youed you I'll test the logic for you you didn't know you can take let's say that you had let's say you had a piece of cardboard okay piece of cardboard and it had a hole cut

Andrew Wilsonout in it and you were on a game show and on the game show they showed you a picture and said this is the woman that you're that's on the other end of that right and you're going to stick your thing through this cardboard and this is

Andrew Wilsonwhat you're going to have set with and you're like wow okay and on the other end it was actually a man are you

Kikogay I wouldn't say you were gay but why not if you enjoyed it then you consider why you like it why not why wouldn't you

Kikobe gay why wouldn't you be gay I I no I'm saying if you if I know you were deceived but if you enjoyed that then you might need to consider your sexuality cuz I feel like you should be able to tell the difference though you

Lexishould be able to tell tell how do you tell I feel like there's clear differences how do you know I thought you said that you should be able to tell how do you know say you should be able to tell I'm

Andrew Wilsonbisexual I feel like I could kly tell when there's a man versus a woman going down here's the thing have a follow again just real quick though the the second we add the deceptive layer a

Sheena Ray Reynoldsrandom cardboard hole I think we have other things nothing to you ever you ever the origal I'm all ears have you ever saw a vagina after

Sheena Ray Reynoldssurgery what have you ever saw a transgender vagina on not in person I lived in Thailand for a year a lot of them do the Sur looking at them this no no not just looking at them because I I

Sheena Ray Reynoldshappen to see it okay how did you see one well you're saying it I'm just curious I was working in a salon I was I was yeah I was working in a salon and waxing so I used to I used to see a lot

Sheena Ray Reynoldsokay and the vagina of surgery and a real vagina it's completely different thing by the way they have to do three four times a day to put something inside otherwise this whole closed they have to lubricate it they it's not three or four

Sheena Ray Reynoldstimes a day I know what you're talking about they do if they get sick factual I know sick and it's going to get Decay and it's going to go bad it will close up once a day and then it turns into

Sheena Ray Reynoldsonce every four weeks and then it turns intoit let's be factual though but I a talking about but wait listen I'm not arguing with you I'm tell I know you're but you bring up a lot of but let me tell you let me let me let me finish I

Sheena Ray Reynoldsknow a a Thai woman she was not doing it every day okay it eventually closes and then it's inside it's got rotten and she have to do a really really emergency surgery that she cannot pee anymore

Sheena Ray Reynoldsregular she can do nothing basically so for a regular woman wait my point is my point is that a regular woman doesn't have to go through this virtual in order to she does she not a woman anymore she

Sheena Ray Reynoldshas isues wait let me finish a regular woman have naturally fluence naturally she can have orgasm from her vagina and that's the same thing he said just because you're not a woman if you don't have an orgas like if you don't have organs you're not a woman if issues with

Sheena Ray Reynoldsyour vagina let me tell you something a person that need to change their sex in their mind when you imagine just yourself for a second imagine yourself for a second a whole different argument I agree different different argument let her let her talk let me let think about

Sheena Ray Reynoldsit for a second because I've been thinking about it because I tried to empathize and I and I thought about it think about it for a minute for real for real think about it inside that you all of a sudden you don't feel a woman you feel like you you want to have a penis

Sheena Ray Reynoldsand you want to feel like a male okay it feelings doesn't mean anything that's not what we're talking about feelings wait feeling I'm I'm saying it to both of you feelings deceive us feelings can lead us to chaos to destruction feelings

Sheena Ray Reynoldsare doesn't mean nothing based on their feelings they change the whole society based on their feelings they get support based on the feeling things happen they're not supposed to happen it's only feeling it's not real it's fictionary

Kikoyou feel G for sleep with a trans woman that's your feeling feel gay so tell you how it's I understand what you're saying but that's like a completely course it's affect everybody societ it's with numerous way first of all I don't want

Sheena Ray Reynoldsmy son when he go before to school he complain I or my friend daughter she go to school she have a a kid with a dressing like a girl that they complain it's a lot of things that affecting us it's not just one thing I cannot get benefit from the government you know the

Lexi[ __ ] people don't get the same benefit as they get it's so many things change in society you can't even speak about it because they crucify you okay so you're mad because you you weren't dealt with these hardships and you don't have these feelings and you don't have

Lexito go through what they go through and you're mad because your children in a public school are experiencing public differences of somebody else's choices and you guys are having issues with that

Sheena Ray Reynoldssounds like a you problem sounds like your family's problem it's not it's not a hardship you know what is a not doing this you know what is a hardship they are not you know what is a hardship you know what is a hardship when you raise your child he 21 or 22 and then God

Sheena Ray Reynoldsforbid he in a car accident you know what it's a hardship when your wife is getting cancer this is a hardship when somebody choose to go and cut themselves and deform themselves and take money from a taxpayer this is a problem this

Lexiis a real issue a very small percentage of tax dollars actually go it's not actually completely not it's actually completely not it wasn't Cala like she was in favor of like trans uh

Mariatransgender prisoners getting gender reassignment surgery actually I want to add something to this and there's a fact that there's such a thing as entity attachments and that's something that creates people to want to become a different gender yeah let's get let's

Lexiget into this real quick I don't know hang on hang on this wait wait wait can I can I ask the question that I wanted to ask okay okay but we're coming back to this yes and it'll be a quick question I promise I won't like attach

Lexionto it but when you were saying like oh if you or uh I think you asked if he slept with somebody that was a girl even though he was married and blah blah blah

Lexium and you didn't know and the perception is she got tricked yeah yeah would you consider that a homosexual act that you did so I think that these things are based around

Andrew Wilsonintentionality so the idea that you could be tricked right or in some way be moved to do things or the idea that um you know you can you can be pushed into

Andrew Wilsondoing a sexual so like I'll give you an example a good counter example I have to be very careful with how I use this language but

Andrew Wilsonum under people right they can be tricked into feeling pleasure at certain of these things right this is all bad though you and I would agree that this

Lexiis all bad it's not determination of their sexuality correct yes yeah how come but that's not how come how come like okay I need more information

Andrew Wilsonbecause that was very vague so I okay I got I got to move I got to move away from that but is we can talk about it after but the pr the the principle here is very simple right a person a

Andrew Wilsonperson being tricked right they're being tricked that this can happen to anybody you can be tricked in all sorts of different ways it's not going to be a determination though as to whether or

Andrew Wilsonnot you're actually attracted to men or women you have a perception it'd be no different than if I gave you drugs what if I gave you drugs and then you know you were your brain was frying and you P

Andrew Wilsonyou know you perceive that a horse was a woman does that mean that that if you banged the horse that that means that you are attracted to horses but like no no because you're under the influence

Lexiand you can't make fun and wait I want I'm actually really intrigued by this I want a question all I'm saying is would you consider that still because that person isn't um a female would you consider that a

Andrew Wilsonhomosexual act after the fact after knowing that they're yeah so that would the act itself would be a homosexual act okay that's all I was asking I just wanted to see your of it would be a homosexual actz like I was like what if

Andrew Wilsona guy's like that doesn't mean yeah right but that doesn't mean actually that makes my point you could be tricked you could be tricked even in that aspect so the idea here is like what Bri all Brian all

Andrew WilsonBrian's trying to say he's trying to distinguish between the act right go ahead go ahead he so he's just saying here's our act and here's not our act so would that be engaging in a

Andrew Wilsonhomosexual act oh yeah for sure nobody would dispute that that is true right would that make the person a homosexual though right I don't think so for instance a good example of this you're

Lexiin prison you're coerced right well that's a whole other issue but it's a homosexual Act Right mhm but does that make you a homosexual exactly it depends

Andrew Wilsonon if you're the giving or the receiving okay no that of course not that of course that's all we're arguing here is that makes you a victim here as well it's a form of coer trickery that's the

TTS/Donation readerwhole point I could partially agree with that yeah okay that's why I said I do king oneup donated $200 Kiko if you think Transmissions are

TTS/Donation readerwoman then I feel sorry for you listen to the IDF Queen questions to panel would you not be mad if you found out you slept with a fraud

Kikogender wouldn't be mad if youle some all you got out of what I was saying then well what I'll make it super easy right like that's I understand your brother

Lexiknows he's your brother you don't know he's your brother he sleeps with you are you upset yeah exactly yeah but that's insense why are you mad

Andrew Wilsonthough what if he tells you what if he tells you though I'm sterilized I can't get you pregnant so you're saying you're attracted to your own brother you incestuous lunatic right like does that

Lexieven make sense it's proving your point that's that's a very broad like separate discussion that what's Broad and separate about it do you feel like you're tricked um yes

Kikobecause I didn't know when he did exact there you go don't look at me CU you're working with her cuz I've already said that discretion verus what it's gay or

Sheena Ray Reynoldslooked at you cuz you have a beautiful nose got nothing to do with the conversation yeah but my point my point is that you want that disclosed because of how it would make you feel you shouldn't disclose it right I never said

Andrew Wilsonbut you only want to disclose cuz how it would make you feel I'm always like if he's sterile what's actually wrong with this except how you feel exactly thank you and I guess how Society feels about

Andrew Wilsonit how you feel exactly society would who informs your feelings exactly Society sure yes so I mean you're you're kind of making my point for me here I I

Andrew Wilsondid want to get to I I did want to just have a a quick back and forth exchange with you she's can I just add something small quickly before we wrap this to say to the a take the w Lady take the W the to

Sheena Ray Reynoldsthe audience 30 seconds go I wanted to say that I have nothing against transgenders or gays the problem starts when becoming somebody naturally feel like he's a woman to a massive every

Sheena Ray Reynoldssingle kid like from each School you see so many kids are changing kids want to be animals kids want to be gays what's the next step people too much too much too much you're good you're good yeah I know I know she going [ __ ] to no she

Kikodidn't say actually any words she didn't say any words God say any words so I think I think more no you don't understand you just don't know like I think more people are coming out as gay

Brian Atlasand trans because that's fine she's fine no no no no no I'm just I'm moving on I have to [ __ ] move off of this [ __ ] bro holy [ __ ] no no no no no can I engage over here I got to get through my [ __ ] all right all

Brian Atlasright nothing to do with that though Brian I do not care Frank Castle he says it feels like deja vu tonight K Kiko next to gorlock the Destroyer 2.0 school

Brian Atlaseducation doesn't mean intelligence Kiko oh my God bro got to chill

Andrew WilsonBrian okay uh rage quck countown um hold on I go ahead have the com all right oh my God so this is

Andrew WilsonU so this is something this is something that I do often rage quit I do often wonder he'll be all right Brian will be all right something I do often wonder

Andrew Wilsonwhen I talk to spiritualists who make the claim that they can speak to animals or at least uh communicate with animals there's a couple of questions that I

Andrew Wilsonhave for you okay can animals convey Concepts to you things that they want for example they say uh I want my owner to take me out more yes they can

Andrew Wilsonconvey those Concepts correct yes okay serious so this is an honest to God question it's going to sound very strange okay but I really need to know the answer to

Andrew Wilsonthis if an animal conveyed through a spiritualist that it wanted to have sex with a person how would that then be a problem to have sex with that

Andrew Wilsonanimal I don't I don't I don't grasp the question I'm not so an animal conveys so the big problem with beastiality and it's a big problem okay

Andrew Wilsonright is that um the animal can't consent but as you as the medium the animal could actually consent M so how

Andrew Wilsonwould that even be a problem then they don't know what they're consenting to no no no they do cuz they can tell her let her her let her answer Sisterhood calm this Sisterhood down just let her answer I

Amandagot to know the answer to this uh technically there is no problem oh my God wrong answer um I think maybe you would have the ethical dut to just like not not say that be the

Amandamiddleman and be like explain to them why that's who knows that's what you believe in who knows what well because she's the medium who has the knowledge

Kikoof what the animal is asking for but the animal wants it okay but when I was I control Duty not I'm sorry I don't think she's a medium I think it's that's we're

Amandawe're playing into it though we're not we're that's beside the point we're just but even if it's not that's what we're it's a debate we're could be that the medium should have an ethical obligation

Amandato like not disclose that because they're the only why because they're the one but that's what the animal wants exct why is doesn't

Andrew Wilsonmean Bieber Wait Wait wa the person let's say in this situation the person wants it and wants to know if the animal wants it so hires the medium the medium

Andrew Wilsonand stop the medium comes out and says I've talked to the animal green light what's the problem here it's an

Andrew Wilsonanimal and so the person wait wait wait wait wait I get that right we're assuming that this is true she can speak to animals so if we take the the objection the moral objection the animal

Andrew Wilsoncan't communicate this with anybody and they can't right but now they can this is Dr do little [ __ ] here okay this is some Dr do little [ __ ] the raccoon can tell you what it wants for [ __ ] dinner now so the animal says the

Andrew Wilsonanimal's like man stop Kiko let me ask the question before you answer the question let me at least ask it first so bam the

Andrew Wilsonanimal's like this is what I want medium medium goes to the owner and it's like that's what it wants right what's the actual problem here

Kikounless you're saying this whole communication thing can't be possible just because you want something doesn't mean it's right just because a uh under I'm I'm going to use words

Kikolightly here I'm going try to sure go around just because an underage person might say what does that have to do with anything we're talking about because you're talking about how because if they if they're vocalizing the point that

Kikothey want that even though as a society we deemed that as wrong if they can speak speak up from themselves and say no that's what I want to do just because someone who's not of the legal consent age says I want to do this doesn't make

Andrew Wilsonit right that makes no sense the animal the animal's fully grown in this instance it goes around and like [ __ ] murders like hyenas and [ __ ] it can do what it wants man even if someone under age murders kids it doesn't make them

Kikoright to do those things yeah that has nothing to do talking about you're talking about consent forget that is thing why can an animal consent to another then because they're both animal they're both the same field what makes

Andrew Wilsonthat okay then it's same thing why an underage kid can consent to another underage the same they're on wait wait Kiko here's the hole here's the hole it's very simple if an animal can consent to an animal if an animal could consent to an animal why couldn't it

Andrew Wilsonconsent to you cuz we have different communication stop [ __ ] listen when you're having a a conversation with somebody this is what drives [ __ ] Brian Bonkers I get it

Andrew Wilsonright I get that there's a Sisterhood right everybody wants to jump in on behalf of somebody else I've given you nothing but respect when it comes to these conversations listen to exactly what you the person is saying not the

Andrew Wilsonperson next to you right let him answer the question I'll do the same thing for you Kiko if an animal can consent to another animal why couldn't it consent

Andrew Wilsonto you because I'm not that animal I don't speak the same language they do that has nothing to do with anything why would that what would that have to do with anything if the animal can consent it can consent consent if it can consent

Andrew Wilsonto another dog why couldn't it consent to you and if you had a medium who came out and was like it's consenting then isn't the medium wouldn't you just have to air on the fact that you think the

Kikomedium isn't really a medium well that's a whole different point I would agree with that that's a whole different thing that I was trying to be nuanced about it and have a conversation debate about it but if you want to take it there those are two different things I don't think

Kikoany of that's real but I was just talking about the fact that two people on the same playing field can consent to each other doesn't mean it's fair game for everybody like two 16-year-olds can consent together doesn't mean a

Kiko16-year-old a 19-year-old I don't think two 16y olds can consent together well I do and that's a difference of opinion do you think two 12y olds could I don't think it's right but I think I don't consider it I don't think one of them should be in trouble for it no what what

Andrew Wilsonif two you're telling me sexually so you're oh here let me we're saying that they can't they can't the whole point here is the reason we have those laws is because we don't think they can and if they do what happens if they do then you're still saying you're still saying

Andrew Wilsonthe same nothing happened nothing happened you're still you're still saying the same thing though you're still saying they're not capable of consent that's what makes it wrong so the thing is is like ultimately here if an animal can consent to an animal you're saying it's right that an animal

Andrew Wilsoncan do that so if that's the case if a medium says a medium comes in and says well the animal consents to you then the only thing you could really say is that the medium was wrong right no first you can say mediums are

Kiko[ __ ] that's the first thing you should say secondly you shouldn't be talking about my dog wanting to sleep with me anyways like why we even like if you want I'm trying to have this conversation but then you guys of those Concepts if you want to think those

Kikothings then I will agree yeah I would never even be having this conversation but you guys were feeding into it so I was feeding into it too so don't make it seem like I'm trying to have this conversation something I would even talk about like you're defending this thing

Andrew Wilsonall I'm trying to do is show you a parallel so the parallel is for the psychic medium the person who is the shaman the person who is is the witch the person who is this thing if they

Andrew Wilsonmake the great claim of communication I can communicate with this thing you that you yourself can't communicate with it's fair to test it right yeah isn't it fair to test if they could really communicate with whatever

Andrew Wilsonthis thing is you can't communicate with I mean tell the pacy whatever it is sure not touch you [ __ ] so isn't a great way to test that to ask it a question like that ask him a question like that see my mind would never even go to ask a question that because that's

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] weird because it brings that's why what but the thing is is it brings up it brings up this great parallel that you can point to immediately and say even if it were true wouldn't we still

Kikohave to air on the fact it wasn't see I can't even go into those cuz when you ask me something like that all my mind's going to go to is I would never go and ask a medium if my dog wants to [ __ ] me like that's what my

Andrew Wilsonmind is going towards so I'm sorry I can't get past that part you're not asking the medium if your dog wants to [ __ ] you you're asking the medium you're asking the medium if the person says uh that the animal can consent to

Kikoany person doesn't have to be you why does it have to be you specifically well if I if a medium told me that my dog is consenting for this and third to happen first of all whatever there we go now we're getting somewhere if they I it's

Kikoso hard to say this so they be like why are you at the medium but I would say you're full of [ __ ] like you're delusional but that that's what I'm saying though I would say this but we were I thought we were giving in to this whole IDE concept but when you ask me

Kikoquestions like that hang hang on hang on Ando and what did she say there would be no problem and that's why that's why I jumped in cuz I was like you're delusional that's why I jumped in Andrew is cuz I testing the delusion

Kikomaybe I feel like we're maybe fighting the same evil right now I don't know but I'm it's really really common sense to me like I don't know how else to say you

Andrew Wilsonwould think so I got to go back to this right why couldn't the animal I like honestly could you get consent from the

Kikoanimal for something like that yeah yeah oh my God I'm going to go out and smoke honestly honestly doesn't mean you should hey what if they substitute

Kikoanimal with I have to be honest to say something like do you see like how that's like you're just well those are two different entities but you're talking about you're talking about

Kikoliving things that can't communicate living things that can't communicate without other entities so if you if they were like I want you to speak with my baby to me and you're like oh this is what I'm reading like I want to see how

Kikoyou guys you guys tried I used to do the same thing when I got into this podcast and sometimes you have to just own up to when you're wrong cuz I would double down and I would look stupid I will own up I would look stupid cuz I would

Kikodouble down on my own opinions but recognize when no like that's not okay like we I could be 15 years old and you could be reading my mind and I could be

Kikosaying yeah I want to sleep with this celebrity and this guy doesn't make it right doesn't mean that they should go then ahead and do it so just realize the words you're saying and those are two

Daviadifferent entities still they're not can I ask you a question watch go ahead so when you say that you could do it but would you do

Daviait ask the question again so like okay so say that like you're trying to um get consent from an animal uh would you do that and those typ of would you do it

Mariawillingly if someone came in um someone came in and said hey I'm trying to get consent for my dog I know you were able to do it but would you do it I'd have to sit with myself and see how I feel about it and also

Mariatune into my highest self and see whether I'm in alignment with that because I'm am just a medium at the end I'm not but do you understand how if you

Kikothe fact that you even consider it means that you have the possibility of saying you're open to it right correct which means that you could telepathically whatever communicate with this dog and if that dog was saying yes this is what

KikoI want you would to go tell their owner that that's crazy that's wrong and that's that should I think that deserves jail time I'm on your side with a lot of things but that's not okay that's your

Kikojudgment and it's not my judgment That's the Law that's actually the law cuz if they took your advice and went and did it and got caught they don't give advice I don't give

TTS/Donation readeradvice that's the final word to donated do think okay Andrew I'm convinced the woman and animal could both consent the reason it's still wrong is because it's

Brian Atlasan affront to God's moral law it's unnatural and is done purely for gratification yo graffito tag thank you for the TTS W's in the chat for graffo we do appreciate your message I need to

Brian Atlasmove things on from here so Robert Tanner thank you for the gifted 20 memberships do appreciate it man thank you so much W's in the chat for Robert uh Robert he also says this seems to be an argument between objective versus

Brian Atlassubjective reality objective based on facts and absolute truths subjective based on feelings and opinions if I feel I am the age of 20 must society

Lexiaccept this is for you guys that's my previous question if you feel like you're 20 must

Lexisociety accept that's the question yes um I'd say no because that's not how many years you've been alive and have had experien how is that different from

Brian Atlaswhat we argued before that a man is not a woman it's exact the same question if if you're biologically the age of 40 you're also biologically female or male or male exactly how biologically yes I

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