2 RAGE QUITS! $12,000,000 A Year BARE MINIMUM?! Do Modern Girls Deserve Chivalry? | Dating Talk #256

Date: 2025-08-18

Duration: 7h 19m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLauren (Model)>

RRose (Sovereign)>

SSelena (Bottle)>

MMichelle (55)>

AAndrew Wilson >

AAmelia (Swinger)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Sonia(guest)

SPEAKER_04Selena (Bottle)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lauren (Model)(guest)

SPEAKER_06KJ(guest)

SPEAKER_08Aya (Casino)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Amelia (Swinger)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_13Michelle (55)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Rosie ($12M)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 11 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentRosie states $12M/year BARE MINIMUM for husband income

Key MomentAndrew: 'women think they ARE the table' when asked what they bring

Key MomentBrian reveals he's developing 'Tally' app for men to log women's body counts

OtherFirst rage quit: KJ leaves during religious debate with Andrew

Key MomentSonia: locked in closet, starved, hit by car by abusive Discord boyfriend. Escaped by hacking security cameras.

QuoteSonia: did Carl Weezer voice during sexual act. Man still calls every Saturday.

Topics Discussed

Relationship Status Roundtable

11 guests including Sonia (asexual, chess 2300 ELO) and Rosie ($12M minimum).

Income Requirements

Rosie: $12M/year bare minimum. Rose: 'dirt poor.' Michelle: $100K.

What Women Bring to the Table

Andrew: women think they ARE the table. No one says 'virtue.'

Bear vs Man / Uber Analogy

Brian draws racial discrimination parallel to gender safety preference.

Body Count and Past

Andrew proposes 'Her' app for body counts. Brian developing 'Tally' app.

KJ Rage Quit

KJ leaves during religious debate with Andrew.

Sonia Abuse Story

Locked in closet, starved, hit by car, forced heroin by Discord boyfriend. Escaped by hacking security.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_00the panel. But plenty of average mid men are available and looking in the world, lol. Good times. Good times. Thank you, Pasty George. There's There's a couple more

Brian Atlascoming in, guys. If you want to get the message in, read is 100 TTS 200. That's streamlabs.com/ whatever. Thank you, Pasty. >> Pasty George donated $200. >> You're popular.

SPEAKER_00>> J five. Many women like you always choose men who are digs, bad boys, etc. who don't settle and leave for another woman. And then you complain about men being evil and other BS. Are you my ex?

Brian AtlasIs that you watching? >> That That is your ex. >> Yeah, cuz you sound like it. >> Can you see what you're sharing with? >> Sure. >> Thank you, Pasty George. Appreciate it. I believe we have two more coming.

SPEAKER_00>> Oh, it's all him. >> Pasty George donated $200. >> Seven. I got my millions via a large settlement and then invested in co ownership with a few casinos in Canada.

SPEAKER_00How is that delusional? Are you scuffed in the head? Chair seven in red. Is that for her? Okay. >> Do you want to respond?

SPEAKER_00>> I mean, how did like what was his mindset getting there? Like what was he thinking about? >> Hustling. He was hustling. >> Hasty George donated $200.

SPEAKER_00Chair nine. A bike doesn't just appear out of thin air and poof, you got a bike. No, it still had to be built by someone and someone had to pay for it. manifestation delusional [ __ ]

Lauren (Model)>> It's true. >> You don't understand the depth of how far it goes, how every single thing that we're experiencing on this earth vibration. >> I want to just I I I want to take a hard stance on this manifestation [ __ ]

SPEAKER_00>> after Pasty George. >> Pasty George donated $200. >> Thank you, man. >> Chair nine. I can manifest gold in one hand and then take a [ __ ] in the other. Which one is going to get filled first? >> Personally, I think the gold is going to

Brian Atlastake longer to Do you believe in alchemy? >> I'm not too well versed in that >> the conversion of base metal into gold. >> Uh I don't know enough to speak on that. >> Anyways, whatever. So here's my stance on manifestation. I'll do it super

Brian Atlasquick. >> I think it devalues actual hard workers. So those people who have achieved things not through luck or

Brian Atlashappen stance or through you know some right time you know it devalues significantly those people who

Brian Atlashave achieved who have earned things whether material or otherwise not through thoughts good vibes energy but through their own determination through

Brian Atlastheir own hard work through blood sweat and tears and I hate this manifest ation [ __ ] because I know and and this isn't just a gender thing. There are plenty of women who do hard work and

Brian Atlasthey achieve things. It had nothing to do with good vibes and frequencies and energy or or this [ __ ] And many men who have also achieved great things

Brian Atlasand it devalues it by saying that this same level of success or achievement can be achieved by manifestation. All right. Here I have an example for you. So two people can

Lauren (Model)work in the same >> Listen to what I said, but okay. >> I did I I listened to it. So two people can work in the same corporate job right now. One of them may um take a manager position. Why is that? >> They're both working the same position right now. One of them may get a

Brian Atlaspromotion. >> Hopefully if it's like a corporation that's not like [ __ ] and DEI because of merit. >> Because of merit based on scale, >> right? So So if two people were trying to manifest this one position, what's

Lauren (Model)the difference between the two? Why is only one of them Why is one of them going to rise above? It's because like you said, merit. One of them has merit. Now that's part of manifestation. When you want something, you have to live as if you have it. You have to be living as a manager.

Lauren (Model)>> I don't. >> You're telling me you don't believe in manifestation. Then you're telling me the rules of how it works. >> I work in business. It's by basically skill and experience. >> Right. But it takes the determination

Lauren (Model)from the human being to to get this determination to get the skill. Right? What's going on? >> So, what if I wanted to be a knight? Would I just live like a knight lives? >> Yeah, dude. There's probably communities

Andrew Wilsonout there for you. >> So, would a king be able to knight me then? >> Probably. >> [ __ ] >> Oh, a king would. So, I would just pay for Andrew. I'm Sir Andrew of Wilsonia.

Andrew WilsonAnd I acted as though I was Sir Andrew of Wilsonia and wore armor as Andrew of Wilsonia should wear. Uh, one day if I manifest hard enough, a king, an actual

Andrew Wilsonking, is going to ride his noble steed and knight me. Is that >> So, let let me ask you, can can you truly truly >> answer the question first? >> Okay. Okay. Go ahead. >> Yes. >> Uh, Cat, thank you for the 15. Go ahead.

Lauren (Model)>> Um, yes or no. >> Um, no. Um, and let me explain why. Because to truly be living like a knight, you need to be in a society of others who are in the same timeline,

Andrew Wilsonwhich you are not. >> I understand. Why can't I just manifest manifest hard enough that every we bring back the system for God's sakes, right? >> It's not about how hard you're manifesting. It's about the action behind it. That's what I'm saying. You

Lauren (Model)can't manifest the knight experience if you don't live around other knights around kings. You know, how does that make >> interesting? So, >> can I can I pray to God? Can I pray to God to be the next queen of England? So,

Andrew Wilsonso to get this right, manifestation can actually only operate within the confines of what is even possible in the social society that you're in. The social society in which you're in, you're talking about things like

Andrew Wilsonlong-term planning, right? Uh, you know, saving money, uh, things like this. What are you what what is manifestation actually bringing to the table? What is living like a manager look like? What

Andrew Wilsondoes that even mean? Doing your doing your research, taking initiative. >> Let me ask first. Let me ask first. If you took 8,000 different managers, they're all going to be living different lives, very different lives with very

Andrew Wilsondifferent skill sets and bring very different skills to managing. You could never even give me a subset of skills in which living like a manager uh uh even would fit like you couldn't even do it.

Lauren (Model)>> AI could live like that. Do it. >> AI could I don't have my phone. >> You got to Google. >> No, I said AI. I said AI could do it. But there's definitely if you wake up every day with the idea that you want to

Lauren (Model)be a manager and you're studying and you're working hard and you're coming to work early, showing up, you're going above and beyond, you're you're preaching to the to the current management that you want this position. You know, you're going above and beyond what a normal average worker would be

Andrew Wilsondoing. And that's what I'm saying. If you live it, you're going to attract it. >> Yeah. See, now a person other successful managers will give you the exact opposite advice, though, wouldn't they? They would say things like, "If you become the person that can be counted

Andrew Wilsonon, right, then you're just going to get a lot more work dumped in your lab." And upper management actually gets there by being very cutthroat, very devious, and using a lot of srifuge in the ways that they operate in the business world. They

Andrew Wilsonmight give you an exact opposite way in which to behave, to act like a manager. So, how do you even know what you're manifesting here? >> Um, well, that's Brian laughed at me earlier, but the reality says it all.

Lauren (Model)That's what I'm saying. Look, look, you can manifest to be a manager, but you can also be manifesting bad things, right? Like going to bed late and [ __ ] like that. That's going to deter your manifestation from happening. That's what I'm saying. But do you do you understand that that's post hawk

Andrew Wilsonrationalization? It's like saying because you are a manager, right, you must have manifested being a manager. It's unfalsifiable. But the thing is so funny about it is like it makes no sense because there's tons of different ways

Andrew Wilsonto behave like a manager. Tons of different ways to act in a in a process to uh become a manager. Everything from really hard work to devious subtrifuge to backstabbing to conniving to all

Andrew Wilsonsorts of different things that I've seen in the workforce and so have all of you. If you've all had a job, you've probably seen the exact type of stuff I'm talking about. So which type of management should lifestyle should I be living? Should I be living the conniving,

Andrew Wilsonbackstabbing lifestyle, which gets me what I want? That works to get to management. Or should I be the hardworking work mule that they can all count on because that could get you to management, too. There's no right way,

Lauren (Model)in other words, to live like a manager. >> I agree with that. Yeah, there's no one way to do it. I mean, there's plenty of ways to do it, but it's about putting it to practice instead of just saying it. >> I don't think about putting what into

Lauren (Model)practice. What are you putting? Nobody's nobody's saying that your manifestations don't require hard work and basically like what you say planning for the future. I think it's kind of like with religion how you can you can call it God

Lauren (Model)or you can call it the universe or you can call it jaw you know it's just a different way of saying you know it's a different interpretation of how people want to get there. But, you know,

Lauren (Model)besides me manifesting giant boobs, you know, if you want to manifest a work position, it's it's just setting yourself up to figure out how it is you're going to get there, you know, and but believing that you can do it because

Lauren (Model)if you don't believe in yourself, there's a very low likelihood you'll be able to make anything in life happen, whether or not you're manifesting or just working hard towards it. >> Or there's people who just don't really think very much about it at all. It's

Andrew Wilsonnot a lack of confidence, but just no overage of confidence. Sometimes people just get lucky for no apparently good reason. Sometimes little blockheads get rich and sometimes really smart people stay poor and it has nothing to do with

Andrew Wilsonthem manifesting. Generally it just has to do with accountability. Ultimately what I've seen is the best success metric is two things. Your intelligence and your ability to take accountability. That's how you grow as a person. >> Yeah.

Andrew Wilson>> Like oop I made a mistake. I'm not going to do that again. I agree with that. You know this manifestation thing always seems like oops I made a mistake. I must have been manifesting the wrong thing. Can I say something on manifestation? Uh what you were saying when you

Soniamanifest something, you're like wanting it and you're striving towards it. Wouldn't it technically be the same thing as praying, but you wait, but you don't. So praying would be you get what

Soniayou need. Jesus gives you what you need. Manifestation would be you're asking for what you want and that's what you're going to get. I guess it just depends on how you're doing it because I can ask

Lauren (Model)the universe to put me in places where I can meet the people who are going to bring me to the next level in my life. I I when I manifest, I do it very broadly. I'm not asking for specific things

Lauren (Model)>> per se. Can I manifest uh love from someone that I've never met, say like a celebrity? >> Um I wouldn't manifest from a specific person. When I've manifested love into my life, I've manifested

Lauren (Model)not only finding but being the partner that it is that I'm looking for. Someone who I can, you know, provide stability and love to, who will provide that back. Someone who can be a friend to me.

Lauren (Model)Someone who, you know, when we are in hard times, we can build together. But I would never manifest a specific person because you don't know that person is right for you and you can't force them to be the right thing for you. What I'm

Soniaasking is would you say that manifestation the definition of it would rather be hard work and planning rather than >> Sure. If if you're thinking >> from thin air or something.

Lauren (Model)>> If you're an atheist then it's probably hard work and planning. If you are a religious person it's probably praying. If you are a spiritual person then you might call it manifestation you know.

Lauren (Model)But I think that it those are synonyms basically. Yeah. But why call it a manifestation? If >> just makes you happy. Some people, it just makes people happy. If you're already on the hippie dippy, you know,

Brian Atlaskind of wavelength, then you want to say something like that. >> Yeah. >> Hold the crystal in the air and I'll >> I got to move things on from this manifestation [ __ ] But >> I said that last time. >> I'm going to adjust the seating here a

Brian Atlaslittle bit. So, can I have uh you know what? Let me have you three just scoot down one seat. >> Sleep. >> Yeah. >> Where do you want me? Just one over each of you. And then Felicity, you're just going to take

Brian Atlas>> process. >> Uh I'm trying to think. Do I actually put Felicity next to me? >> I guess so. I'm actually dead right now. >> Sorry. One sec, guys. We're playing

SPEAKER_00musical chairs here. Uh hold on. While while I'm doing that, we have a TTS coming through. >> Desert Judge donated $200. Chair 9 is only manifesting retardation of the self.

Lauren (Model)Let's just send everybody down. Everybody go down. >> One, two, three, four, five, six. I don't know. I would say I'm I'm pretty knowledgeable on certain things. Not fully [ __ ] at least. >> Uh, Desert George, thank you. Appreciate

Brian Atlasit. Uh, Cat, thank you for the gifted memberships again. We have a couple reads that we're going to do. Felicity, I'm going to have you read them. Okay. >> Okay. That was my thighs.

Brian AtlasThat >> Felicity. Hey, I can smell it, man. Oh [ __ ] That's so bad. >> My thighs. That's happened before. >> Crazy. Crazy. Andrew. Andrew, if you were here, you would be going out for a smoke break right now. >> Oh my god. >> Uh, all right. We have Josh Brooks.

Lauren (Model)>> What happened? What? >> Oh, a fart. >> I sat down and it made a fart sound. >> All right. >> With my read. >> All right. I got to ask I got to ask it. Most embarrassing dating or carnal knowledge stories for either party.

Brian AtlasWhat's something that really stuck with you? >> Okay. Who We can't have everybody do it, so we'll like do top three. Uh, whoever raises their hand first gets to share. >> Or crazy dating stories.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I'll go first. I'll make it super short. Okay, so this was in June or July or something of 2020. It was the BLM riots and I was like dating this girl

Brian Atlasand uh I didn't post a black square and then she broke up with me >> because I didn't post a black square on Instagram. >> No. >> Yeah, I know, right? >> Seriously. >> Yeah. Don't date wokies. Um,

Rosie ($12M)>> don't date wokies. >> Okay. Yeah, go ahead. >> Um, I was d I had went to the DR and I was there for like I think like two days already and this guy I met I was hanging out with them. 4 days later he got my

Brian Atlasname tatted and then he got my face tatted. >> Yikes. >> That is definitely embarrassing. >> I'm not even with him. Yeah. >> How soon after meeting him? >> 4 days.

Rosie ($12M)>> He got face and name tattooed where? >> Yeah. >> Like I got my name right here and then my his face my Well, it's a picture of us and it's on his shoulder. I have pictures on my >> That's kind of scary, not going to lie. >> Yeah.

Rosie ($12M)>> Were you scared? >> I thought it was weird, but I was like, "Oh, that's cool. No one's ever done that before that quickly." >> I think I I think I have a good one. >> That's not cute. >> Um I went out with a on a date with a

Lauren (Model)guy who reached out to me through Instagram DMs. He was from Colorado. He came into town and he picked me up in his friend's car and he like honked his friend's horn and it was an air horn and

Lauren (Model)I used to date the guy who owned the air horn company and it was his car and I was like, "Oh, you know Matt and he's like what?" >> And then the whole date was about how I had dated his other friend. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Wow. >> Love that for you. Okay, we uh Anybody else have like a story or anything? >> Kind of. >> Too many. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00>> Hasty George donated $200. Damn, Felicity, how long were you holding? >> It wasn't a fart. I swear to God.

Lauren (Model)>> It was not $200 just to say that. >> I think maybe it was the cushion. >> No, it was just like air. I sat down

Lauren (Model)really fast. It was my thighs. I swear. >> We aren't you defending me? Whatever. I don't know. >> He said, "We need to get views up

Lauren (Model)somehow." >> We have uh Jay Nico here. >> Could you read this one? Uh, Felicity >> Andrew, when you asked last when I asked you last week when you would be on

Lauren (Model)whatever next, you could have just said next episode. The griff continues. All you women better listen to this man's wisdom. >> Well, uh, just to be fair, this was kind

Brian Atlasof a spontaneous sort of impromptu uh, thing here. Great to have Andrew on the show. I think we'll have him in person soon, it sounds like. Uh so that's uh

Brian Atlassomething to look forward to. And uh but yeah, Andrew, this this was just like kind of super last minute. We have Je. Oh, okay. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. All right.

Lauren (Model)[ __ ] it. Whatever. We read the hate comments, too. >> Andrew should honestly take over this show. Fan of the show, but Brian is a [ __ ] host. Not funny, interesting, or

Lauren (Model)>> intelligent at all. Horrible speaker. Sounds like an idiot. Acts like a love. Get better. >> Oh, little [ __ ] It changed it. Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh, thank you for the thank you for the hundred bucks. Appreciate it, brother.

Brian AtlasIf you want to send another one, you can talk some more [ __ ] Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. >> Uh, let's see. Did we I think this TTS came through. Uh, did this one come through? >> Chair nine.

SPEAKER_00>> Hasty George. Did this one already come through? >> $200. >> Share. Nine. Many indigenous people, myself included, believe in a great spirit and that it is in everyone and

SPEAKER_00everything. We practice our traditions and culture in thanks but never ask for anything. >> Yeah, that's beautiful.

Lauren (Model)>> And he's gone.

Lauren (Model)>> Thank you, M George. Appreciate it. Chair nine. So that would we have to rearrange like who that was maybe meant for or something. >> I think we know who we know who it was meant for. >> Oh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Uh super chats, Nick. Super chats. Felicity, you're going to read these the hundreds and ups. >> Again, guys, stream uh streamlabs.com whatever. Our super chat functionality

Lauren (Model)is scuffed. Go ahead. Read Zeus. >> The Okay. The women do not value virtue that much is obvious. Uh please ask each person to pronounce the word woman and

Lauren (Model)then the plural version of the word. >> Oh, that's >> woman. >> We could do that super quick. What? Uh should I don't know what >> women is plural.

Lauren (Model)>> Woman is a woman and women is >> Is it women or woman? >> I thought woman is singular and women is women. >> Woman, I'm assuming. Yeah. >> Pull it up.

Lauren (Model)Can the girls on the panel say, "By what metric are men of value supposed to measure women's worth or value as a potential wife?" Do they understand that their own subjective and selfserving,

Lauren (Model)overly inflated opinions of themselves don't carry any weight? >> Have we talked about our opinions of ourselves yet, or is he just insinuating based off of our uh, you know, the way we carry ourselves?

Andrew Wilson>> No, no, no, no. He's uh he's giving a reference back to when we were asking uh some of the panelists, what do you bring to the table? >> Yeah. >> The idea there would be an idea of selfworth,

Andrew Wilson>> but he's he's asking specifically from the man's perspective, which is what the point of the question is. From the man's perspective, what would you be bringing to the table? Not from your perspective. That's what he's saying essentially.

Lauren (Model)>> Okay. >> Again, I didn't I didn't get to answer that question. So, >> you have more, Nick? Yeah. Let's pull it.

Lauren (Model)>> After years of hearing absurd, I want my man to make answers. It's clear most women don't want real provision. They want men to make $300,000 plus to spend

Lauren (Model)it and take photos of the tangibles on IG. It seems a decent house/car and health insurance isn't enough. Again, that was like what, four people's point

Lauren (Model)of views, but there were there's a good amount of us who don't need a man who has over $300,000 on this panel at least today. >> Next. >> That's it. Okay, cool. All caught up,

Brian Atlasguys. If you can because our super chat functionality is not working. Uh I mean, you can send in the super chat, but we have to pull it up in this roundabout way. Streamlabs.com/ whatever if you want to get a message in. Uh 100 is

Andrew Wilsonread, TTS is 200. So, >> chair one, chair one, you've got the worst resting [ __ ] face ever. It's like the worst resting [ __ ] face I've ever seen. You got to like perk up a little

Lauren (Model)bit. Just like a little smile, you know? >> Do I need to apologize for the way I look? Like I don't What do you want me to do? >> It's just terrible. It's terrible. Like just the You know, >> I sit here with my like What do you want me to do? Apologize? Like I don't know. You don't like I mean you can What? I'm

Lauren (Model)just saying if you don't like the way I look up, >> daddy. You're like this. You're like, >> whoa. Do I need to apologize for the way I look? Is all I'm asking. >> What?

Lauren (Model)>> I Well, you want me to just apologize for the way I look? Like, I'm I'm lost. >> Well, I mean, it could be the camera, could be the cam shaft, could be the angle. I >> So, now you want to give me some slack. Okay. >> All right. I'll cut you some slack.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. All right. That was that was good. Uh, did we do the bear? >> No. >> No, >> the bear. Um, really quick, we we won't linger on it long. Uh, would you rather cross paths with a random man or random bear on the

Brian Atlashike? >> I think I said bear. A man bear. >> I answered a line. >> Into the mic. Into the mic, please. >> I answered a line or a tiger. >> Wow, that's great. Thank you for being a

Soniagood faith participant in this podcast. >> I would pick a man. >> A man. >> Definitely a man. >> Okay. What about you? >> Hello.

Sonia>> Probably what is are they like like random random or >> a man? >> Okay. >> I like the way that question is worded

Lauren (Model)cuz it's a little bit different than like, you know, it's on a hike. Of course, I'm gonna see men on a hike, you know, versus versus if I'm camping in the woods, like somewhere desolate, and would I rather see a bear or a man?

Lauren (Model)Maybe the bear that way. >> Okay. So, it was you who picked bear and you picked bear and I think that was it, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Really quick, why' you pick bear? Why don't you pick man? >> Um, I guess like it lacks any context. So, I'm like, are we like in a public

Lauren (Model)park? Like, are we like are there any other people around or anything? I wouldn't mind seeing a random man, but I'm thinking like if I'm alone in the forest, I would rather see a bear because I know what to do when I see a bear.

Lauren (Model)>> You can like prep for that. >> You see a random man, he might have the craziest intentions or a weapon. >> Is he in the woods? >> Right. >> Yeah. I mean, so I I guess the way I would frame it is it's on a hike, so

Brian Atlasit's not >> out of bounds that you would run into somebody, but perhaps this is like not a super populated hiking trail. So there there are gaps. >> I mean it's not baked into the question. It's kind of just whatever your sense of

Brian Atlaswhat the hype is, >> but it's it would be for example, well here's the scenario that I'm I'll give. >> There is an expectation that you will cross paths with people, but you're not

Brian Atlasfrequently there's not like a bunch of people around. So you could encounter a person whether a man or woman like and there's no other people around. I mean,

Lauren (Model)>> but you're it's not odd that you are encountering them, if that makes sense. >> I mean, [ __ ] I want to say bear just because you know what to do when you see a random bear. >> Tell us what to do. >> You like, don't you like just stand

Soniastill and try to pretend like it's not there or you have bear spray? >> No. So, for a bear, you would need at least one extra person with you. You have someone on your shoulders. >> I was going to say I'm not a bear to intimidate them.

Brian Atlas>> I I don't go on hikes. Can I say this? >> Why do you pick there? You just never know like somebody's intentions or like why they're out there. You never know. Like everybody's such a stranger. >> Okay. Sure. Uh is there some concern that the guy could murder you or essay?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. What What percentage of men do you think would do this? >> I don't know. I don't know. >> But like there's some risk assessment you're doing there where it's like, okay, I think this percentage >> dangerous like >> Well, it's a random answer. thinking

Brian Atlasthere's a this percentage x percentage of men are murderers or they're going to try to do something to me inappropriate whatever. >> What percentage is that like in your

Lauren (Model)head? >> I don't [ __ ] know. Holy [ __ ] This is such a crazy ass question. Like >> I'd say less than like 1%. >> I mean there's maybe like less than like a 5% chance that he could be dangerous because I'm just saying like a guy who's

Lauren (Model)in that situation where he's like in the forest. him like alone off path like you got to wonder like it's a little bit higher because it's not like he's just walking on the sidewalk. This is an odd place for me. >> I'm going to Sure. So you say the

Brian Atlaspercentage is low though. I'm going to sort of pivot this a little bit. So a couple weeks ago Uber had this new feature released where women can choose to not match with male drivers or female

Lauren (Model)drivers can choose to not pick up male fairs. Uh you you guys think this is like good? Okay. I >> I think it's good. I personally two years ago was drunk in the back of an

Lauren (Model)Uber and sexually assaulted by my driver. Um, and so I like the option of being able to choose. Okay. >> Especially just if it's going to be late night, I'm by myself. I'm a woman. Maybe I've been drinking. If I could have the

Lauren (Model)option for a woman, but most of the time I feel generally safe in Ubers >> and >> Hey, Brian. Yeah. >> You want to check for a slip over there? >> I promise I'm good. >> It's funny on camera.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, okay. Yeah. I know. I I made sure I put something on underneath so that >> it's okay. It's okay, Nick. >> Yeah. >> Okay, cool. We're good. >> Um, you don't have to answer this question, but just for the sake of the

Brian Atlasconversation. >> Uh, when people say essay, this is like a umbrella term that encompasses like a lot of different potential crimes. >> Um, are we talking full-blown grape or

Lauren (Model)are we talking like he like touched her leg? What are we talking? I was um so uh he he parked when he like brought me home and he grabbed me by the neck and

Lauren (Model)forced himself on top of me in the back of the car. Um I was able to talk him through not fully raping me, but um he was grabbing underneath my clothes, trying to take them off, um choking me,

Brian Atlasslapping me. >> Okay, so definitely crime, like very egregious crime status. Okay. Um, I guess my question is then, um, and this is related to the bear. This is

Brian Atlaswhy I did a bit of a pivot. Who here, just really quick show of hands, is okay with this Uber policy where women can choose to match with women for Uber

Brian Atlasrides? Show of hands. Okay. Would you be okay with a sort of equivalent policy, but would you be okay with a policy where white people only wanted to match

Lauren (Model)up with white people, >> whether you're the driver or the passenger? >> Honestly, >> are you okay with a policy like that? Mhm. >> I think I I I think that if people are

Lauren (Model)so gung-ho about only wanting to be with their own race, that might even just eliminate, you know, the problem of someone of color being in the car with a racist person.

Lauren (Model)>> Okay? >> You know, I you know, I think to each their own. If you really don't want to be around certain people, like you I feel like you have every right. >> This could go in the other direction, too. like black person doesn't want to ride with white person.

Brian Atlas>> Sure. Totally okay. Yeah. I I mean I don't I don't see why it should be that big of a deal. >> Anybody have any objections to like a racial preference on this? >> I think

Brian Atlas>> yes or no. Can somebody No. Yes. So everybody here's okay. I'm going to take it. Everybody here is okay with racial uh segregation when it comes to Uber. >> No. No. >> No. >> No. Yes. She's okay with it. Anybody?

Brian Atlas>> No. else. >> Why would you segregate like that? That just causes more division. >> I'll explain I'll explain kind of what I'm getting to. So, >> all of you cited either you had a personal experience or you heard the

Brian Atlasstory or you would site to crime statistics as justification for Uber making this sort of segregation between men and women. Women can ride with men, etc., etc. Well, why can't that

Brian Atlasjustification also be valid when it comes to race? So, let's say uh a black person had a bad experience with a white person or the reverse, a white person had a bad experience with a black person

Brian Atlasand this is their justification for not wanting to get either to pick up uh passengers of a certain racial group or if you're the driver, pick up passengers

Lauren (Model)of a certain racial group. No objections to that. It would be cool like uh I think how you know if you go on a search function and you can say it's you're on Yelp and you're like oh I only want to

Lauren (Model)look at Chinese food. If there was a kind of a search function like that on Uber where you could pick your preferences for the type of driver that you have. I don't see an issue with that. >> But that would then encompass being able

Brian Atlasto choose different races or uh genders or things like that. >> Okay. But you don't think, for example, I guess my question is, would it be racist if a white passenger specifically

Lauren (Model)did not want to be picked up by a black driver? Would that be racist? >> I don't think I think that this world is racist and to eliminate racism is like a weird thing to do, you know? Like,

Brian Atlas>> so you're in favor? I mean, I don't know how you're gonna that might be a hard thing to defend. Uh, so you're in favor of racism then? I think I the majority of the people I've met in the world are

Lauren (Model)racist and people who think that they're not racist even when I've been in school. >> So, is racism good or bad? >> Um, I would say that the majority of people think that racism is good, especially when it comes to protecting yourself.

Brian Atlas>> So, I understand that there are racist people out there, but my question is, is racism good or bad? >> Is racism good or bad? >> There's no dispute that there are racist people. >> Yeah. Um,

Lauren (Model)>> is it good or bad? >> I I guess it depends because I think that if we're hate crimeming people, that kind of race level of racism isn't good. But there's a certain level of >> justified racism is what you're saying?

Brian Atlas>> I I think so. Yeah. >> So, there is a level of justified racism from whites to blacks that you're comfortable with. >> Uh, or blacks. I know plenty of it racist towards white people,

Brian Atlas>> right? I'm just using this easiest example. there's some allowable white toblack racism that you're okay with. >> Um, as long as it's being provided for every race. Yeah. Like like it doesn't

Brian Atlashave to exclusively be >> right. So ju wait, am I understanding this correctly? So long as that white person also hates hates Asians, too. >> Oh, I know. I feel like most racist

Lauren (Model)people would agree that they are free game racist. They're not just racist towards one ethnic group, but like anyone can catch these hands. >> But what about Uber drivers? >> Crazy argument. >> Do you think that they don't get

Lauren (Model)assaulted? >> Yeah, there's definitely Uber drivers that get And I think the Uber drivers can also opt in this case scenario to only drive women if they are a woman. >> Hold on, I'm going to let the chat come

SPEAKER_00through. >> Nook subm donated $200. >> You're the man, Brian. Don't let the haters or 304 simps bring you down. >> Thank you, man. Appreciate it. >> Much love from the Crucible crew.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, thank you, man. Appreciate it. Thank you for the uh TTS. >> Um I don't know. It got really quiet here at the panel when all you you were in favor of this, you know, women having

Lauren (Model)uh you know, segregated Ubers or whatever, but if we talk about race seems a little less tent tenable. I'm just gonna say for this reason exactly, I do not take Uber and I probably won't

Lauren (Model)ever. I avoid it at all costs. >> You're a lift user or >> No, I don't use period >> because of the >> like I'm just afraid of being in the car with someone else by all means. >> So, you just drive yourself. >> Yeah. Okay. But

SPEAKER_00>> yeah, >> that's uh one way we have. Hasty George. >> You just don't have the problem. >> Hasty George donated $200. J5. Holy [ __ ] you are so scuffed in the head. that my face.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, Andrew, can I want to run this argument by you? We The bear thing's been beat to death, so we won't linger long. Something that just occurred to me that's like perhaps a counter to my argument that I've been

Brian Atlasmaking is, well, hold on, Brian, bathrooms are segregated. And me personally, I don't have issues with the segregation of bathrooms. I suppose my counter there would be well when there

Brian Atlasare certain considerations when people are in a state of undress that warrants a separation of the the sexes. Uh but Andrew, do you think that would be an

Brian Atlaseffective counter-argument to my point of well okay hold on but people don't society broadly doesn't have issues when it comes to segregation uh you know with bathrooms, dressing

Brian Atlasrooms, locker rooms, but if there were segregated even segregated bathrooms based on race, there would be broad societal uh disagreement on that. What what do you think? What do you think about that?

Andrew Wilson>> Social cohesion doesn't have to be consistent. though it's not logically inconsistent. So just saying that people want to segregate based on sex but not based on race is not logically inconsistent. There doesn't have to be

Andrew WilsonSo you're talking about two different situations. You don't have to apply an equal standard. >> Mhm. >> It's a I mean it's that simple, right? So um people socially sex segregate in this country, but they don't sex segregate in all countries. There's some

Brian Atlascountries where women and women get undressed together and it's not a big deal. But do you think this would be a defeater to my argument about like the Uber um the Uber example? So, okay,

Brian Atlasthere's this policy where the women can match with women. Well, okay, is that sexist? And then if a white person doesn't want to ride with a black person, is that sort of the

Andrew Wilsonis that similar? >> Yeah. I mean, I think that that's jumping over to a different classification. So, you're jumping it then from sex to race. And I think that you could make uh potential racial

Andrew Wilsonarguments there, which would just be like, look, um we're not talking about a specific subset of this group being inherently more dangerous than another, and that's where you're taking it. Instead, we're just saying that by and

Andrew Wilsonlarge, everybody in this group is more dangerous than everybody in this other group. So, it just depends on how much you want to whittle it down. >> Is it a defeater? >> No, it's not a defeater. Yeah,

Andrew Wilson>> it's not a defeater. The thing is though is like the the the logic here though for me is the reverse. So >> if women can pick whether or not they have a female driver, I'm fine with

Andrew Wilsonthat. I just want to be able to pick that I never have a female driver or that I'd never have to pick up a female. I think that that's fine, right? That seems like it's uh it's fine the other way. It's just that it's going to

Andrew Wilsondisproportionately affect women because most men are the drivers. So, and I think if most men can pick and choose whether or not they want to pick up women, >> they probably won't. >> In fact, I I did a thread on that and it

Andrew Wilsonwent super viral on X. You remember that, Brian? >> So, I retweeted it and said, "Yeah, so I get to choose not to pick up women women, right?" And women went crazy cuz they were like, "Wait a second. It's mostly men who are the drivers. So, it

Andrew Wilsonseems like it disproportionately affects women, but that does seem to be what's fair. If you can choose the sex, we get to choose the sex, too, right? I wonder if there would be push back

Andrew Wilsonthere though from the other side of well hold on that's sexist towards women you know so I don't know >> why how could that be sexist towards women not towards men

Brian Atlas>> well I think it would be sexist towards both but they would have there would be more societal objection to men having an option to opt out of riding with women

Andrew Wilsonversus the reverse >> yeah I agree I just don't know what that would be justified on They would just say, "Oh, well, it's dangerous for me." It's like, "Okay, but it's also dangerous for men to pick up women." >> Yeah. >> So, because they can get false

Andrew Wilsonaccusations, all kinds of s stuff. Just because you say the percentage is lower than that of a man doesn't instantly give it justification.

Brian AtlasI think I guess the connection that I make to this is the reason that women sight to for why they would prefer to either you know they pick the bear or

Brian Atlaswhy they would prefer to ride with another woman is they've had bad experiences with men. So they site to bad experiences with men, crime statistics or you know they an anecdote

Brian Atlasfrom somebody else or like collective an anecdotes from women of having bad experiences with men. So if that's the foundation for creating these sort of this sort of

Brian Atlassegregation, well I I can't see why there would be any objection to like say an individual white person who had a bad experience or multiple bad experiences with a black

Brian Atlasperson saying because of my own anecdotal bad experiences and my own safety concerns, I don't I'm going to employ racist segregation practices. >> Yeah, that's true. I mean, you can

Andrew Wilsonwhittle it down the same way. It's just that in the first case, when you're talking about just sex, women, let's say women appeal to the fact that men are committing >> uh, you know, overwhelmingly the majority of these types of sexual crimes as opposed to women, especially in

Andrew WilsonUbers. That's true, >> but that doesn't negate the fact that it's still really rare. >> It doesn't happen often to almost any woman who's a rider. So, even if it is

Andrew Wilsonthe case that one group is doing this overwhelmingly more, it's still rare. So if we can appeal to rare bad thing that happens, then we can appeal to rare bad accusation, too. There's no reason.

Andrew WilsonThere's not a set threshold, right? Does it have to be 200% more more likely, 300% more likely? As long as the likelihood is there, the preference should be there or it's not actually a

Brian Atlasfair policy, right? >> True. True. Uh, moving on. Uh, let's see here. Let's see if there I'm just a girl. Somebody uh Rose.

Brian AtlasRose. >> No, no. I just heard you say I'm just a girl and that was >> Oh, that was you. >> Damn. [ __ ] cursive. They have very rigid beliefs when nature's nature in

Lauren (Model)>> Oh, yeah. Nature's going to be nature. >> What What are the rigid beliefs? I guess >> I don't know. When I hear you guys talk about the um the gender roles and whatnot, it's like >> you're always asking, "Well, what what

Lauren (Model)should it be? what what should we have in society? What's the right noble thing to do? But in reality, it's like >> humans are nature. We just are. You know what I'm saying? Like there's no And

Lauren (Model)there's evolution of course, but >> a little closer to the mic if you can. >> Sorry. There's no right or wrong way. It just is. You know, this is the time period that we're in. There's different variables around us right now. And

Andrew Wilson>> well, if that's true, there is no right way. Then what's actually wrong then with men just going ahead and I don't know making sex cages for all the women

Lauren (Model)and they just run everything and women just become breeding stock if it just is >> well if men if men like I'm I'm not saying that that's acceptable but that's the >> why not it just

Lauren (Model)>> if that's the nature of men then men are going to do what men are going to do >> now thank thankfully men the nature of men they have a little bit of kindness in their heart not to do that but >> I see so you're appealing so when You're

Andrew Wilsonappealing to the nature of men. You're actually appealing to men's kindness. >> Okay. >> So, you're saying men are kind. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I agree. Men are very kind and very benevolent that they don't do that. Huh. >> Yeah.

Andrew Wilson>> That's very benevolent. They should get a lot of credit for not doing that because they could, right? And they don't because they're very kind. >> We have a chat coming in here from Hasty. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. >> Hasty George donated 200.

SPEAKER_00>> I saw this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In Britain, there are now female disguised as joggers and they detain and warn men who cat call them. >> Actually, >> mark my words, this next level of insane

Brian Atlasfeminism is coming to Canada and the US soon. >> Yeah, that's I saw that. Um I don't know. I feel like a bigger fish to fry in in England with all the knife

Andrew Wilsonstabbings and >> thefts. And these aren't even crimes. Like it's not a crime to cat call in England. It's not a crime. And they have Why do they have female police officers putting themselves in positions to be

Lauren (Model)catc calledled so that police officers can go and talk to the person cat calling? >> I mean, it sounds insane. >> It's not a crime. >> I also know in England though they're like people get arrested for their social media posts. >> Oh yeah, England is cooked.

Brian Atlas>> They're they seem incredibly cooked and I hope that America is not on that route. >> Yeah. Well, even even I saw in the in the video that I saw about this honking. Like if you're in a car and you honk,

Brian Atlaslook, I don't think cat calling is good. Men should not cat call. Men shouldn't honk, whatever. But it's not a crime. Like police should not be wasting their time and taxpayer dollars to be >> pursuing this. Um,

Sonia>> no. Exactly. And when we look at the practice, it's ineffective anyway. >> Yeah. >> Can I >> totally ineffective? >> Can you what? >> Can I say something on this? >> Yeah. Go ahead really quick. I don't like how we're talking more about, oh,

Soniawomen feel uncomfortable, women feel uncomfortable, blah, blah, blah. Why don't we talk about how men feel uncomfortable as well? Why is it only about what the women want, not Cuz men can feel uncomfortable by women, too. Men can get caught, men can get essayed, all this.

Sonia>> Yep. >> But why is it only headed towards what the women want? Are the women the only ones that complain? >> Because men bad, women good.

Brian Atlas>> Men bad, women good. That's well I I disagree. No, I disagree with that. But that's sort of the narrative in society

Brian Atlasand especially in cucked England. >> Uh that's definitely uh there's a there's been a lot of I mean I don't know their whole government

Brian Atlasand police force has been ideologically captured. So um we do have to move it on though. >> We got one super chat

Brian Atlas>> to Yeah, we'll go ahead pull that up. Cat, chair 11 was the actual farter. >> Nice. Who's chair 11? >> Are you chair 12?

Brian Atlas>> Uh, >> you. >> No, I'm >> Wait, am I >> now you are? Yeah. >> Oh, she's calling me out as the farter. Okay, there it is. Yep. >> Guilty. Guilty is charged. Uh, getting

Brian Atlasinto the questionnaire here. We're going to blast through these. Uh, we're going to try not to linger too long on any of these, but sorry, Shelby, you said so the statement is a man dating a

Brian Atlastransgender woman is straight, to which you agree. Why is that? >> I didn't mean to do that. >> Oh, you put like a little mark through. So, does that mean you disagree with it or >> what was the question again? >> A man dating a transgender woman is straight. So, you agree with that?

Brian Atlas>> He's not straight. >> Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. >> That's what I Into the mic. >> Into the mic, please. Oh, he's not. He is straight. >> Well, then the next one. Women are just as physically strong as men. You also

Brian Atlasput them >> I didn't mean to. I guess Okay. Somebody else also marked for that. It was >> Yeah. You said women are just as physically strong as men. Well, you agree with the statement anyways. Why is

Soniathat? >> Because women can do anything that a man can do. Anyone at this table can say, "Oh, a woman can't do this, but a man can do this." If you work hard enough, you can do that. >> Can I add something to that?

Aya (Casino)>> Yeah. >> If we were in a fight, though, he would beat me every single time. Even if I have a black belt. So, >> well, if you have a black belt, you'll know how to defend yourself. Go to the gym every day. You might be able to take

Aya (Casino)>> I was saying like literally genetically like I did a little research about lions and tigers and I really like lions, right? But in a fight, a tiger will win

Aya (Casino)every time. And that doesn't mean a lion is weak, but a tiger is bigger by size. So logically, if something is bigger than you, it has more chances into be like beating you. Like they're probably

Aya (Casino)going to win. So if I was like maybe a 200 lb girl, then yeah, I could definitely take down a man. at my size right now. >> I'm saying the hypothetical of say everyone here went to the gym or went to

Soniauh >> still not enough background >> or self-defense background any type of uh defending yourself. >> Let me ask you just a couple clarif clarifying questions here.

Brian Atlas>> So, I'm prepared to acknowledge and it it is the case that there are definitely women who are stronger than some men and could beat up some men could whatever.

Brian AtlasUh but the question is sort of more of a general general one uh do you think it's the case that generally speaking women if they through physical training like

Brian Atlasyou said they can be generally stronger than men? >> Yes. >> Or just as strong as men. >> Yeah. >> So >> if they have the training >> like here let's make it super simple. If every single man and every single wh woman woman in the world did I just do

Brian Atlasthe woman thing? M >> if they all everybody had the most optimum training and nutrition etc etc would the wi all the women in the world be just as strong as all the men in the world

Sonia>> to a degree yes >> what do you mean to a degree >> it matters on different people have different uh things say like high metabolism some men some women have that

Soniathey might not be as strong as the other everyone has different body types different >> Could we maybe do this a different way. Um, so you you seem like you're a pretty uh logical person, pretty reasonable

Andrew Wilsonperson. >> So let's just uh let's just move to theory for a second. So you said like theoretically anything that a man can do >> uh job-wise a woman could do, right? >> That's that's your statement. Okay.

Andrew Wilson>> Yes. Could you theoretically envision that there could be a job which would require a malespecific physomy to do because they have the uh skeletal and

Andrew Wilsonmuscle density to be able to do that specific job that no woman could do. Theoretically, >> logically and theoretically, yes, that >> whatever that job is is a job that women cannot do. thus negating

Andrew Wilson>> negating my statement that anything a woman can do or anything a man can do a woman can do is we've just theoretically demonstrated that can't be true. >> So I will logically say that I was wrong

Andrew Wilsonin that theoretical position. >> Okay. So the thing is is like uh now one I could use pragmatically but could never say I couldn't say for sure a woman could never do it

Andrew Wilson>> right that would be impossible for me to say but what I can say is a woman never has been able to which is a Navy Seal. There's never been a female Navy Seal and many have tried. >> Not actually did not know that. I

Andrew Wilsonappreciate that. >> They can't do you know why they say that that that's uh really hard for women to do if if not impossible. And they've really groomed a lot of women to do this who are very very physically fit. It's

Andrew Wilsonbecause of weight proportions when it comes to equipment lugging. So they have certain parts in their training where they have to swim many many miles with distributed weight around their body. And women just don't have the physical characteristics to carry that type of

Andrew Wilsonweight for those elongated periods of time. Their bodies aren't designed for it. So that's at least a practical thing I could point to that women have not been yet been able to accomplish. Not saying that they never could,

Brian Atlas>> but at least they never have so far. >> I understand. Yes. Thank you for >> Has your position changed or you still >> I My position has changed. >> Okay. So, men are generally stronger than >> Generally, yes.

Brian Atlas>> Physically stronger. >> Like, how about a couple clarifying questions? Is the world's strongest man stronger than the world's strongest woman? >> In the logical hypothetical that we put

Soniaout there, yes. To this day. this day >> as he was saying about like the Navy Seals, you know, how women there isn't one woman Navy Seal right now.

Brian Atlas>> So, >> not not right now. There's never been one ever. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> Well, I guess my question is more so because you said, well, you know, if there was some sort of equality when it

Brian Atlascame to physical strength, training, nutrition, whatever. Yeah. >> So, I'm talking the strongest man in the world and the strongest woman in the world. That would that sort of would grant that they both have the peak

Brian Atlasoptimum physical strength training routine, nutrition, >> both be like the same height, same weight, class, all that. >> I'd be actually willing to grant same height and same weight. And I think the the man would still

Brian Atlas>> be a fair fight. >> Nah, the man would still be stronger, but >> Okay. Um I and I'm not even sure if women are

Brian Atlascapable of that degree of uh strength building, but but this I I don't think that the world's strongest woman is the same

Brian Atlasheight or the same weight as the world's strongest man. Uh I'm just saying whoever the world's strongest man is and whoever the world's strongest woman is, >> which one's stronger?

Andrew WilsonProbably the man. >> Probably the man. Okay. >> So, if your job then was to be the strongest person in the world, a woman actually couldn't do that, could they?

Andrew Wilson>> They could not. >> So then, by this logic, we've now deduced that there's at least one potential job >> that a man will always be able to do that a woman cannot, which is to be the strongest person in the world.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yes. Uh, moving to Courtney, you say or well, you agree with the following statement. Women are the primary victims of war, not men. Why is that?

Brian Atlas>> I circle that. >> Yeah. Maybe you didn't intend to. Is so women are the primary victims of war, not men. You agreed with that statement.

Lauren (Model)>> Okay. Is that is that true or did you missir >> in a sense? Yeah. Like just because they tend to be more like on cuz women and like children tend to be more victims just because I don't know they're

Brian Atlasnormally seen like they're taken as like the hostages normally from what you see or like they're more like casualties >> taken as hostages more frequently than men are in warfare.

Brian Atlas>> Like prisoners of war are almost >> exclusively men. >> Sad. But there's there's there the other components of your argument. I'm happy

Brian Atlasto hear. I just wanted to go in on that one. Um >> uh well, I guess my question to you is um when when a woman is going through

Brian Atlaspregnancy, would you say that women suffer through pregnancy like physical pain, >> maybe other types of pain, whatever those that might be? Mhm. >> Uh and would you agree that sometimes,

Brian Atlasyou know, if they have a boyfriend or husband that it can be stressful to the husband to see that their girlfriend or wife is >> Yeah. >> that can cause them some kind of mental

Brian Atlasscar or something. >> I I don't think it would, but whatever. Maybe it's stressful. >> It's stressful for them, right? It's definitely >> would it be fair for me to say that because of that

Brian Atlas>> like are women the primary sufferers of pregnancy or are their boyfriends or husbands? >> Feel like that's mostly women. Yeah. Just cuz you're so like you're actually like going through it. >> Like for example, when the How about the

Brian Atlasactual birth? So the woman's pushing out a child and maybe she's holding your hand while she's doing it and she squeezes your hand really hard and it hurts. I think maybe the man's the primary sufferer and >> she hurts her ears with all the

Andrew Wilsonscreaming, >> all the screaming. Oh my god. Super obnoxious. Like, oh, I wish you would just shut up. It's terrible. >> Good point. >> Maybe nine. I don't know how long you have to be pregnant. But during the nine

Soniamonths of pregnancy, I would say that if you are in a married or you have a relationship with a man, the man's going to be the primary subject to stress because he's going to be taking care of you. But as you're pushing this child

Soniaout of your body, that is going to be your most painful point. >> Uh I mean, I don't know if I would >> say I disagree with you. >> That would be my personal logic. >> Look, I think we can give women

Brian Atlassomething >> like Yeah, pregnancies progreg harder for women. >> Maybe you guys could say war probably has a disproportionately

Selena (Bottle)harsher negative impact on men. >> I agree. I agree. >> Okay. I heard labor is extremely extremely painful. I can't say that. >> You know, women are always women are always bitching about that, but like

Andrew WilsonI've seen this now many many many times. And I'm just going to tell you right now, I think kidney stones hurt just as bad. And men get kidney stones all the time. >> I've had those two. >> Oh, you had that? >> Which one was more painful? >> I've had those two. >> Which one's worse?

Michelle (55)>> Yeah. >> Um, >> depends. I kind of I I would have to say that because kidney stones pass a lot faster than child birth >> sometimes. >> Yeah. Depending on how long you're in

Michelle (55)labor for. >> Sometimes sometimes labor's >> it was excruciating with the kidney stones. And actually my son, my youngest son just had that happen to him. >> Damn. >> Uh

Andrew Wilson>> so so this whole like women have a monopoly on we go through the most painful thing ever which is child birth. It's like naturally I'm like nah no you don't. Kidney stones just as bad. If you look at the pain levels that people

Andrew Wilsonreport for that it's like men get that all the time. It's on par with child birth. So you know I don't think they have the monopoly on that. >> It's funny you it's funny you say that because my son asked me about it and he

Michelle (55)goes what kind of pain did you go through? I said it's the same thing. That's what I go through with child birth. And he's like I okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But I'm not saying it doesn't hurt like hell for for women

Andrew Wilsonmost of the time. You know what I mean? Some of them some child births are not so bad. You know, it's like uh labor's not even very long. Some of them I've seen is like 25 hours and they're agonizing pain. But I've seen that with kidney stones, too. I've seen people it

Michelle (55)takes >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Same thing. She She popped them out in like 3 hours. No problem. >> Jesus. >> With me. Well, Andrew, you tried to give us something.

Brian Atlas>> Um, okay. So, I don't know. Is your position the same like women there? There. So, there's no doubt that everybody during war experiences suffering. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Children, women do experience very negative things during war.

Lauren (Model)>> But, okay. I mean, I know people in like >> Does your has your position are are you still firm on your position? >> No, that I'll disagree. >> But I'll think I don't think she was

Brian Atlasever that firm on it. No. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, so the majority of casualties of war are meant injuries, deaths. >> I guess then I'm just not that educated on it. >> Speaking of war, why don't we do this?

Brian AtlasThis is a, you know, you know, it's topical. Uh, what years were World War I? Starting with you. >> Oh god. World War I. >> Uh, what years? >> Honey, I got no idea. >> Guess. >> I'm not even going to guess. I'm not

Brian Atlaseven going to guess. Wild guess. Actually, so bad. No, I actually zero clue. >> Uh, how about this decade? Just tell me the decade. 1930s,4s,50s. >> No, I can't even give you a ballpark on that.

Lauren (Model)>> Just guess. Come on. >> I literally I have no idea. >> I got almost no history education cuz I went to like a religious school. So like any of the history was all just

Brian Atlasreligion- based. Okay. Um, yeah. >> Do you want to just just throw something out there? 1830s something. >> Oh, I really don't. >> How about century? Just tell me which >> you're not going to get an answer. >> No, wait. Century. That's a fair shake

Brian Atlasthere. >> You're not getting an answer. >> 1800s, 1900s, 2000, uh, 1700s, 1600s. >> Next caller. >> Century. Come on. Century. >> Next caller. >> All right. Uh, what years were World War I? >> U, like 1840s.

Lauren (Model)>> Okay. What about you? >> I would say like the 1930s. >> Okay. Okay. What about you? >> 1916, 1920. >> Okay. >> I was going to say like end of the 20s, beginning of the 30s. >> So 20s to 30s. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> 19. >> What about you? Into the mic. >> Like 1940s. >> 19 uh scoot into the table a little bit if you can. 1940s. What about you? World War I. >> Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_11>> Just >> 19 the early 1900s. That's all. >> 20s. Just take a guess. Decade. Which decade? 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. >> Uh 1920s. >> Okay. What about you?

Sonia>> 20s. >> Uh 1800. >> 1800. >> Yeah. Is World War II, right? >> No. World War I. Yeah. World. Yeah, of course. World War I.

Brian AtlasI don't remember this. >> Okay. All right. Let's do, you know, World War I. Not as recent. Let's do World War II really quick. World War II decade.

Lauren (Model)>> Uh it was it in the early early 19. Uh, I want to say like 19 No, because my grandpa was literally in it. Like I'm literally gonna get roasted. Um,

SPEAKER_01>> I want to say it was 1940. >> Okay. What about you? >> 1950s. >> Into the mic. >> 1950s. I was going to say 1960s. >> 1960s. Sure. >> 1944 and 1948.

Lauren (Model)>> All right. What about you? World War II. >> I was going to My original answer was for World War II. So, >> Sure. What about you? >> Uh, 1969. >> Okay. believe it's 1940s.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> 30s. 1940s. >> Uh, all right. Well, uh, World War I was 1914, 1918. World War II, 1939, 1945.

Andrew Wilson>> Wait, so it was only the first World War only lasted a couple years. >> Four years. >> Four years. Okay. >> Okay. >> Y. >> Now, Brian Brian, I got I got a like a Hail Mary here to throw at you. >> Uh, oh.

Brian Atlas>> What year was the Korean War? Uh, so it was in the 50s. >> Okay. >> But I don't have the that was the decade. I don't have the exact dates though. >> It was in the 50s. You're right.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. >> 50 to Yeah. 50 to 53. That's a tough one because uh that's like the forgotten war. >> Yeah. Was Vietnam 60s7s? >> Yeah. 60s into into the 70s. Yeah.

Andrew Wilson>> Yep. >> Vietnam actually lasted a really long time. That was a That was actually a pretty long war. We just really like >> Well, Andrew, I have a question for you. >> Uh oh, no. No, don't do it. >> When was the third crusade?

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