Andrew Wilson vs. Naima From Jubilee (Feminist, Leftist, Anti-Trump) | Whatever Debates #20
Date: 2025-05-20
Duration: 3h 48m
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_03Naima (Jubilee)(guest)
SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)
Key Moments
00:01:36
IntroBrian introduces debate: Andrew Wilson vs Naima (USC senior). Topic: feminism.
01:13:30
Key MomentAndrew fully articulates Force Doctrine
01:43:48
Key MomentNaima: men have no obligation to enforce women's rights. Andrew claims full Force Doctrine concession.
01:43:54
QuoteAndrew walks away to smoke — Naima thinks it's rage quit, he says it's standard break
02:19:42
Key MomentOlive jar challenge: neither can open greasy olive jar. Crew member Jake opens it.
02:34:54
Key MomentBrian fact-checks Trail of Tears: ~4-6K deaths, not millions as Naima claimed
Topics Discussed
00:10:09
Force Doctrine
Andrew's core argument: men monopolize force, women must appeal to men for rights.
00:10:10
Voting Rights/Limited Democracy
Andrew argues for limited democracy. Naima defends universal suffrage.
01:17:30
Bodily Autonomy
Whether inherent rights exist or all rights are force-enforced privileges.
02:14:00
Feminism Outcomes
Andrew: feminism caused no-fault divorce, single motherhood, declining birth rates.
02:34:00
Colonization Debate
Trail of Tears fact-checked: ~4-6K Cherokee, not millions.
03:19:00
Sex-Segregated Schools
Andrew proposes 2-hour school days. Naima calls it segregationist.
Transcript
Page 4 of 4
02:56:57
Andrew Wilsonthe labor force are women. And then she acts like that's a choice, right? She's like, "No, women are empowered because they they have the choice to do that." It's like, "No, they don't actually have the choice to be stay-at-home moms in
02:57:09
Andrew Wilsontwo income economy anymore." And that is taking choice away from women. That's not empowering anybody. And if you look at the mental health crisis of women,
02:57:20
Andrew Wilsonit's almost always related to their obligations at work and family where if they could just focus on one or the other, those mental health issues tend to deteriorate. on basically every
02:57:31
Andrew Wilsonsingle point my opponent lost. It was wild to see, but she mostly lost because I was willing to stand up to the internal critique of my view of force doctrine and still got the concession
02:57:43
Andrew Wilsonout of her on what force doctrine was and the application of it. Um, and then on top of that, every subsequent point, uh, I basically got a concession out of. So, I don't really know how much more I
02:57:55
Andrew Wilsoncould have won this particular debate, but I do appreciate having it. You want to keep going? Uh, did you hear back from No, I didn't.
02:58:05
Brian AtlasBut let's just do it. How long? Yeah, I'll do the 30. Okay. Uh, here. So, let's do this. We'll do overtime, but first we have a quick moment. Well, then why did we just do closings? Well, we
02:58:16
Brian Atlaswere That's why I said we'll do closing and then there's here. Pickle jars, please. All right, guys. So, uh, we have pickle jars for each of you. Why doesn't someone have to pay an additional thousand dollar for me to open it? How do you know they didn't? Well, cuz it
02:58:28
Brian Atlassaid it on it says that doesn't mean he shows every single All right, just go ahead and, uh, give it and we've given you, uh, if you need to wipe it down or whatever. I can't do this with my nails on, but okay.
02:58:41
Brian AtlasAll right. I didn't get it. Give it another Come on. No. Got to tap it. You got to tap it. All right. Let's see. Do it on the table if you can.
02:58:52
Brian AtlasOh. Oh [ __ ] Wait. Put it on the table. Put it on the table. Ripping the [ __ ] Uhoh. Oh, I got myself. Oh no. There we go.
02:59:03
Brian AtlasOkay. Just got to be on the [ __ ] thing. You uh you undersold yourself a little bit. You undersold yourself. That wasn't that hard. All right. Take them off the table, please. Uh well done. I got myself really messy. Well done to
02:59:14
Naima (Jubilee)both of you. Um I do just want to go back to some of the claims you made in your closing. Um, I'm not really interested in debating my closing. No, I'm not debating your closing. Let's focus on feminism, though. So, bring it to feminism. I mean, it's all all of
02:59:27
Naima (Jubilee)this is feminism, though. I think that part of the issue is that you seem to have this inherent need to Why do you say inherent so much? Doesn't make you sound smarter. Are you going to let me finish? I Well, I just I'm really actually wondering why
02:59:40
Naima (Jubilee)do you say inherent so much? Because you've argued this point on several many claims. You seem to have an inherent need to limit the free will of others. You say you don't want more people to vote. You say you don't want women to go
02:59:52
Naima (Jubilee)to college. You say you don't want women to be in the workforce. Everything is about limiting the free will of both men and women on a certain point. When it comes to
03:00:04
Naima (Jubilee)um the concessions, I agree that I did concede on a few points, but I think that that's healthy to admit when you know your opponent makes a valid argument. However, I will say in terms
03:00:14
Naima (Jubilee)of your argument, out of both your desire for less people to vote, out of your belief that stupid people should be somehow prevented from voting, and out of your beliefs on feminism, you don't
03:00:25
Naima (Jubilee)actually promote a practical application of those beliefs. What does that mean? What's impractical about any of the applications of my beliefs? It's impractical to create an IQ test for
03:00:36
Naima (Jubilee)people to be then paid to do unpaid labor that's volunteer-based, but you're paying for their housing in order to allow Do you agree that you can have
03:00:45
Andrew Wilsonlike 50 different options for how you can uh limit the idea that uninformed voters can go after informed voters? Who's creating those options? Are you creating Can I Can I finish the answer?
03:00:56
Andrew WilsonNo. Just let me know. No, you can do it. I'm joking. Yeah. Yeah. So, if you can see that you can have like 50 different ways in which you can skin the cat, right? Some of those ideas, you may bring up valid points against them and
03:01:09
Naima (Jubilee)say, "Okay, well, perhaps that's not practical, but like here's a practical application. If you limited voting to the age of 35, what's impractical about it?" It's impractical because half of all of the population that's under 35
03:01:20
Andrew Wilsonwould be subject to laws that they have no say. So, what? See, so that's what I'm saying. All that doesn't tell me how it's impractical. What's impractical
03:01:29
Andrew Wilsonabout it? Not necess It's impractical because millions of people would not be able What are you doing? I'm trying to figure out where we get to the impractical part. What's impractical? You're just giving me more descriptors.
03:01:43
Andrew WilsonMillions of people won't be able to do something. Yes. Millions of people right now can't kill people. Is that's impractical. It's like what makes it impractical? Because throughout human history, people have fought for the
03:01:52
Naima (Jubilee)right of self-determination. It is clearly a right that here we not all throughout human history. What are you talking about? That's one example. We fought a war about it. The British fought a war about it. The Haitians have fought a war about it. Lord, so you're
03:02:05
Andrew Wilsontalking about fought. That's not all throughout history. It is entirely. That's one block of history. Modern history. Hol. What does that have to do with anything? What are you talking about?
03:02:17
Andrew WilsonWorld War II was founded on a belief that people should not be killed. That was a fight in terms of free will. That was a fight for the free will. War II was founded on the belief that people
03:02:29
Naima (Jubilee)should not be killed. Nazi the Nazi party and Hitler was trying to limit the free will of others. Yes or no? No. They weren't. No. At the beginning of the war. You don't think that taking over other people's countries and territories
03:02:41
Andrew Wilsonis limiting their free will as a country? No. You're talking about practical applications. When you're talking about like the beginning of the war, you're talking about the Treaty of Versailles.
03:02:51
Andrew Wilsonthe tree of Versailles to led to western and eastern Germany being divided by the war powers. The war powers when they divided them it created all sorts of conflict in Germany. Hitler began off of
03:03:03
Andrew Wilsona a campaign for unification of eastern and western Germany. Okay. And then he actually you would make be making the point that because there was conflict in the first world war which led to the treaty of Versailles that Germany got
03:03:15
Naima (Jubilee)[ __ ] That's what you would be arguing. But then he went on to invade several many countries which he went on to invade. Yeah. Yeah. He went on to invade Poland about hatred. And we went on to invade Germany. Like what's your
03:03:25
Andrew Wilsonpoint? So did the Russians. Exactly. All of these fights are about sovereignty and free will and self-determination. All of them. No. Not all these fights are about free will and sovereignty and self-determination. Some of them are about exploitation. Some of them are
03:03:39
Andrew Wilsonabout wanting land. Some of them are about money. Some of them are about expansionary considerations. It is the denial of someone's free will. That is what that is. No, they're not. All these fights are not about free will. You'd have to demonstrate that. How is every
03:03:50
Naima (Jubilee)fight about free will? Not every single fight. Well, then what the he What are you talking about? Thousands of fights throughout human history. People have fought throughout human history for their free will. Most people never
03:04:01
Andrew Wilsonfought in human history for the purposes of freedom or free will or anything else. Yes, they have. I'll tell you what, give me the examples. Before the 20th century, in fact, let's start.
03:04:12
Andrew WilsonLet's do it easy. Before the year 1700, name a single place on earth that was fighting for free will. Um, the feudal system. We can talk about the invasion of France. The feudal system was fighting for free will. No, I'm saying
03:04:25
Andrew Wilsonthose who fought against the monarchies and the overthrow of so many queens and kings. The people fighting against monarchies were people who wanted to be the monarch. Not entirely. If you were fighting against a monarchy that is
03:04:37
Naima (Jubilee)usurping Waiting for an example. Give me an example. I'm waiting. If you are fighting against a monarchy that is usurping your free will, you are fighting against free will. But what I'm saying is consistently throughout this debate, you have advocated against the
03:04:49
Andrew Wilsonfree will and the sovereignty of other people. And I think that that is inherently divisive. It's inherently wrong. Why are you doing that? Yeah. So this would be the same exact answer for why it is that tribalism I would want to divide tribalism because I don't like
03:05:03
Andrew Wilsontribalism. So I would want actually want it divided into larger blocks that tribalism went down. Bigger tribalism. I don't know. Well, you would actually at least um have some sort of sort of
03:05:13
Andrew Wilsonvoting block that made sense that wasn't completely decadent on social programs where all of us had to tribalize together to build these blocks, try to fight against everybody else. A terrible idea, always has been. You conceded that
03:05:26
Andrew Wilsonit is. You keep on saying I'm fighting against free will, but I don't think that a representative. You keep on saying that I keep fighting against free will. That sounds like a two party. You haven't actually demonstrated for me. We don't listen. You're talking about a national system is too party. Localized
03:05:39
Naima (Jubilee)systems are not that way. Andrew, you literally said that free will is a privilege that people do not deserve. You literally said that. When when did I say that people didn't deserve free will? When we were talking about the equal force auction, you don't even understand what I'm saying to you. So,
03:05:52
Andrew Wilsonwe'll try this again. Understand what you're saying. What you're saying to me is immoral and wrong. Let me show you. If it's immoral and wrong, tell me what makes limiting free will immoral. You are hurting other people. You are
03:06:04
Andrew Wilsoncausing them pain. and you were inflicting a net benefit, net negative on society. So what makes what makes that bad though? It makes it bad because you are causing someone pain. How do you
03:06:16
Naima (Jubilee)not agree with me that causing someone pain is bad? Like how are you not understanding that causing causing people pain is bad? Why? Because causing them pain is bad. Yeah, but why is that? Increasing human suffering. You are increasing human suffering. Yeah, but
03:06:28
Andrew Wilsonyou haven't you haven't told me why that's a problem. So you think that increasing human suffering is moral? Do you understand that if I ask you a question, you haven't told me why Butterfingers taste good and you're like, "So, you're saying Butterfingers taste bad? Makes no [ __ ] sense." You
03:06:39
Andrew Wilsonthink that increasing human suffering is moral? No, I don't. But I have I have epistemic justification for that. Why do you think it's bad? Why? Because you're increasing human suffering. That doesn't
03:06:52
Naima (Jubilee)tell me why it's bad. You're fracturing society to like you're talking about you don't like tribalism, but yet people need to usurp their right to exist based on force.
03:07:02
Andrew WilsonThat's as tribalistic as it gets. Their right to exist based on force. So then force doctrine is true, right? By your definition force. So I just want to make sure I got this right. I'm just
03:07:15
Andrew Wilsonagreeing with your definition. So when we start with what it is, if this thing is bad because it's bad because it's bad. Then let me try this. Limiting democracy is good because it's good
03:07:26
Andrew Wilsonbecause it's good. Ask me why it's good. Why do you think limiting democracy is good? because it's good. But that's not what I said. I gave you multiple reasons as to why. Oh, I think it's good because it reduces tribalism. I think it's good
03:07:39
Andrew Wilsonbecause it reduces tribalism and it actually voters then would have some sort of responsibility and we we I think there's all sorts of perks which I've named for systems of limited even monarchies I think would be better than unfettered democracy. You're advocating
03:07:51
Naima (Jubilee)for a monarchy. I think it would be better than a democracy. Are you joking? Oh no, not at all. Are you crazy? No. What? I'm sorry. So you are trying to limit people's free will under a monarchy. You systematically have less free will. Says who? You are not being
03:08:04
Andrew Wilsonrepresented by your government. Why is that bad? Because they're not acting in your interest and in the interest of the general. I don't think Oh, so my government's acting in my interest. Go ahead and tell me. Lie to me. My government's acting in my interest.
03:08:15
Andrew WilsonWell, we've talked about NGOs. Is my government acting in my interest? We would hope that it would. That's the point. Representative, is it is my government acting in my interest? I agree that this democracy is Can you
03:08:26
Andrew Wilsonanswer my question? Is my government acting in my interest? Sometimes when when it's not being a corrupt piece of [ __ ] Yeah. When what is it doing that's acting in my interest? I mean by
03:08:38
Andrew Wilsonestablishing laws that maintain So force doctrine. It acts in my interest by using force doctrine. That's not force doctrine. Establishing law. A monarchy also can provide security of law using force doctrine. What are you talking a
03:08:50
Naima (Jubilee)representative democracy? You haven't demonstrated why a representative democracy is the ultimate good. Because why should you yield to a law that you have literally 0% say in who makes the law and what the law is?
03:09:02
Andrew WilsonAgain, right now there's all kinds of people who make laws that I must obey that I had no participation in whatsoever. True or false? What laws? So, you don't vote? No. Even if I voted,
03:09:14
Andrew Wilsonthat's the participation. So, if I go to [ __ ] Indiana, am I subject to Indiana law? Yes. Did I vote in any of them? No. then that made then your whole entire argument just fell apart. If it is the
03:09:26
Andrew Wilsoncase that people can make law, which I am subject to, all over the world, which they do, including my own nation, which they do, even in a local municipality right next door to mine, which they do, and I have to adhere to them and can't vote in it, you have to say that that's
03:09:40
Andrew Wilsonimmoral. But if you become a legal citizen of Indiana, then yes, you can. If you become a permanent resident of Indiana, yes, you can. Okay, great. If you become part of the aris aris aris ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar aristocratic like uh [ __ ] hierarchy, you can. But why should you get to go on
03:09:52
Naima (Jubilee)vacation and then vote in that place and then leave? That's the point. If you are a permanent resident, if you're saying if you go to Indiana you'll be dictated to those laws. Yes, but you're not a permanent resident. That's why you participate. Yeah. You're just giving me
03:10:05
Andrew Wilsondescriptor. problem with you is like you keep saying a representative democracy where everybody has this an equal say in law is the best system because otherwise you're limiting their cognitive ability
03:10:16
Andrew Wilsonto have free will and it's like okay but most laws you have no participation in which you follow almost all of them in fact you're following laws right now that were made before you were even [ __ ] born most of them in fact you're following that which were made before
03:10:28
Naima (Jubilee)you were even born you had to zero participation I don't think that which is why people fought for the right to
03:10:38
Andrew Wilsonvote. I don't think if one man has uh the right to make laws that he has less responsibility to his kingdom than you, the voter did. Because some laws were made before I was born. Almost all of
03:10:50
Andrew Wilsonthem. Not almost all. Almost all laws which you follow were made before you were born. New laws are made every year. What's my claim though? My claim isn't whether or not new laws are made every year, but whether or not most of the laws which you follow on this planet
03:11:01
Andrew Wilsonwere made before you were even born. How do you justify a monarchy, though? That doesn't make any sense. So because I follow laws that people listen to, you have not even justified yet why a democracy is good. It all you say is
03:11:14
Andrew Wilsonbecause we have more participation rights in law and and that and by not doing that we we're limited somehow. But it's like most of the laws you follow you never participated in. It is
03:11:25
Naima (Jubilee)limiting to not be able to actively participate in laws that you consistently you don't even have political power right now. You have to bank on tribalism for political power
03:11:36
Naima (Jubilee)because you have zero. So then why would removing millions of voters give me and others sorry because you have the ability to hold those voters accountable
03:11:47
Andrew Wilsonlike you would a monarch. That's why. But I can currently hold my Congress people accountable through my vote. No, you can't. How do you hold a monarch accountable, Andrew? When you hold a monarch account, if you think
03:11:59
Andrew Wilsonaccountability is they can do whatever the [ __ ] they want, leave multi-millionaires and you just voted them out of office, great. I don't consider that accountability. How are you holding a monarch accountable? Well, a monarch would be overthrown for having
03:12:11
Naima (Jubilee)unjust laws. So then why would you system in which the only way to overthrow the powers that be is through violence? If a monarch gets overthrown, they get killed. It sounds like you're moving us backwards. Why are you
03:12:22
Andrew Wilsonadvocating for more violence? Aren't you How is that an advocation of more violence? You said you want a monarchy. You said that the way in which to control a monarch is democracy. Democracy has not prevented social
03:12:34
Andrew Wilsonviolence at all. In fact, it has increased it. Are you trying to tell me that in the last decade, democracy has saved us from political violence? Are you [ __ ] serious? No, of course not.
03:12:46
Naima (Jubilee)The monarchy is not going to save us from political violence. Oh, hey, people are really mad about the right that they don't have free choice. Let's give them less. What? I'm not I'm not even advocating for a monarchy only telling
03:12:57
Andrew Wilsonyou that you have not justified why a monarch would be worse than unfettered democracy and you haven't justified that I have with limited democracy I've shown you all the benefits for reducing tribalism the NOS's all the things that
03:13:09
Andrew Wilsonyou hate under your current current in a limited democracy under your current because you can hold the voters who are in the limited democracy responsible you publicize their names
03:13:20
Naima (Jubilee)and their votes you want to dox voters [ __ ] yeah What the [ __ ] is wrong with you? I'm sorry. You don't want to know who votes in your interest? But you're like encouraging violence against those people. They're going to be harassed. I
03:13:32
Naima (Jubilee)guess they better [ __ ] vote, right? I literally just signed a document saying I couldn't dox the studio. Why can't I dox the studio? You're entering a private contract. Is Brian representing you in government? No. Would you would you ever Hang on. Would you ever elect a
03:13:45
Andrew Wilsonpolitician who was anonymous? But that's how we know who the legislators are, not the voters themselves. Again, I want to hold both of them accountable. both that sounds like you're increasing the amount of violence against those people.
03:13:56
Naima (Jubilee)How is that increasing violence? Because if someone votes in a way that I do not disagree with and I'm a crazy [ __ ] I can go and shoot them. It's opening so many people up to vulnerability. You can do it right
03:14:08
Andrew Wilsonnow. If they're like, this is real quick. Just real quick. So, real quick. Right now, aren't there millions of people who publicize who they voted for? Yeah. How come they're not getting shot? because it's
03:14:20
Andrew Wilsontheir choice and they would still be their choice. We all have the right to vote though, Lord. Why would that make a difference? The right to vote, then we can't get mad at people. Actually, if it is the case that you thought that political violence would increase based
03:14:33
Andrew Wilsonon how many more people have the right to vote or less people have the right to vote. If more people came out saying they voted for the political candidate you don't like, you should see an increase in political violence. And you
03:14:42
Naima (Jubilee)don't. But if only a few people have the right to vote and if our politicians, okay, but they're elected again, they're still elected officials. If we're talking about the right to vote, not the
03:14:53
Naima (Jubilee)right to be a politician. If only a few people have the right to vote and the rest of us are all disenfranchised and we see that that person votes against our interest and we have absolutely no other way to control them. What do you think is going to happen to those
03:15:06
Andrew Wilsonpeople? The same thing that would happen right now. What would be the distinction if you came out and said, "I voted for Kla Harris and you're not getting shot now." Why would you be shot later? Because now millions of people don't have the right to make that choice. They're going to be mad about it.
03:15:19
Andrew WilsonMillions of people don't make the choice now. You don't think millions of people millions of people don't make the choice now. And not only that, what here's what happens. Here's your great benefit. Millions of people do. I'm going to explain the great benefit that you have. If you have it set that way for voters, right, where you have a voting class
03:15:32
Andrew Wilsonwhich is at least somewhat elite based on the idea that they were infranchised the proper way, even if it's just at 35, what you do is you reduce the fact that the NGO and the lobbyists can bribe that
03:15:44
Andrew Wilsonelectorate group, especially if it's public. If they be they can't approach voters, they can't do things like that, you eliminate that problem. But those things are public for legislators now and we still haven't. No, they're not
03:15:55
Andrew Wilsonbecause what happens is they bribe the electorate. They bribed the electorate through uh drafting NGO legislation for the voters. Trump just took a million and upon million. He took a $400 million
03:16:07
SPEAKER_04bribe from the Saudis. No, he didn't. Yes, he did. No, he didn't. The plane. What plane? He just got a private jet donated to him. I got to let the chat come in. I got to let this chat come in
03:16:18
SPEAKER_04from Glockavius. Avatar Glavius donated $200 for you. Nima, what would you say are your top three takes that would trigger Andrew? Oh, also, can women be
03:16:29
Naima (Jubilee)sexist towards men? Can black people be racist towards white people? Let's do this. Answer the two questions at the end, then come back to the the Okay. Um, I think that there are different types
03:16:41
Naima (Jubilee)of sexism and different types of racism. So, in terms of I actually have the definitions of some of the types of sexism here, I'll pull them up. Um, no, I got you. I got you very quickly. While you're looking at that, I'm going
03:16:53
SPEAKER_04to let this pasty. George donated $200. Thank you, PY. Appreciate it. Disease was a significant contributing factor in the decline of the indigenous people's population.
03:17:04
SPEAKER_04It was the primary cause. The infected blankets were minor in correct. Thank you, Pasty. Um, okay. So, can women go back to the question? Can women be sexist towards men? Can black people be racist towards white people? Okay. Yeah.
03:17:16
Naima (Jubilee)So, there's actually multiple types of sexism and racism. There's hostile sexism, benevolent, systemic, interpersonal, internalized, and ambivalent. Now, I think that women can
03:17:28
Naima (Jubilee)be all of those except for systemic and institutional. Institutionally, if you don't have power, as in you are not the vast majority in a government and you are not actually trying to remove others
03:17:40
Naima (Jubilee)from institutional power, then you can't do that. Especially if you don't have the power to. But isn't wait let's let's just get through the whole thing. Okay. But I think that you can be hostile towards men on the basis that they are
03:17:51
Naima (Jubilee)men and that would be hostile racism. And I think that you could be interpersonally sexist towards men on the basis that they are men. And I also think you can have internalized sexist beliefs about men. And then what about can black people be racist towards white
03:18:04
Brian Atlaspeople? Would it be the same? Basically the same. And then uh it seemed like Andrew wanted to bite on that really quick, but for the top three takes that would trigger Andrew Wilson, what would they be?
03:18:15
Naima (Jubilee)Um, top three takes that would trigger Andrew Wilson. I don't know. Humans deserve free will, I guess. I didn't even think that was a triggering. I thought that was a universally two others if you have any.
03:18:26
Naima (Jubilee)Um, honestly, I kind of like trolling Andrew and like trying to piss him off because I think he tries to do that to a lot of his guests and I'm sure that that is annoying, but you know, it is what it
03:18:40
Andrew Wilsonis. Well, let me know when you succeed at it. I don't know, man. You did kind of rage quit there for a minute, but You mean I went and had a cigarette and then you went and had a cigarette? You were very upset and then you left. That to me is a rage quit, but okay. You mean you conceded the debate and I said, "Okay,
03:18:53
Naima (Jubilee)I'm going to go have a cigarette." No, you got very very upset. Oh, okay. That sounds like coke from a person who lost the debate, but Okay. Sounds like you're kind of lying to yourself because you don't want to feel emasculated, but Okay. So, if I'm a person who every
03:19:05
Andrew Wilsonsingle debate that I do on this uh podcast at about an hour to an hour and a half mark, I stop the and get up and go have a cigarette. Do you think that I'm going to like change that behavior because you're here? No. Okay. So, then
03:19:17
Brian Atlasit would follow that I just got up and went and had a cigarette cuz the specific timing of when you did that was a bit specific. Anyway, Andrew, you wanted to you wanted to respond to her position on like I it sounded like the systemic she would have to the problem
03:19:30
Andrew Wilsonwith this is like when you're talking about systemic is she very she's very conveniently only points to hierarchal government right at the top and says well uh because that's male right at the top then uh then it can be systemic but
03:19:44
Andrew Wilsonit can't be systemic unless there's no at the top echelons of government. It's like okay but what about like schools which are completely inundated with women most of the teachers are women most of the institutions are women most of the people participating are women
03:19:57
Andrew Wilsonlike overwhelmingly that's a female institution it's like so can't teachers at the very least show sexism towards men systemically if an entire school decided we are not going to hire male
03:20:09
Andrew Wilsonteachers yeah I'd say that no how about like just systemically most of the teachers decide that they're going to institute standards which benefit little girls over little is do they do that currently? Yeah. What standards would
03:20:20
Andrew Wilsonyou say? Just even things like hold still for long periods of time, be very quiet in class, fold your hand, clasp your hands. When we look at studies for how boys learn versus how girls learn, boys rambunctious, they need breaks for
03:20:32
Andrew Wilsonmuch longer periods of time. Rough and tumble play needs to be encouraged, things like that. So, schools definitely favor young girls over boys. Well, I would say part of the reason why you have to sit still and be quiet in classes to maintain class order so that
03:20:44
Andrew Wilsonyou can learn. And I would also say as a young girl who's very rambunctious that that does negatively benefit some female students as well. Though that's really silly then because the negative outcome would be on co-ed schools which is what
03:20:56
Andrew Wilsonfeminists push for. Whereas we used to have sex segregated schools where you could teach boys, you know, based on how boys uh benefit from being taught and girls. Now it's all I'm saying that if I'm a girl who benefits from how boys
03:21:09
Andrew Wilsonare being taught, then why would separating me to a school that is exclusively No, we would se you would get separated to a class with other girls who are like you. But if the entire group So you're a segregationist
03:21:20
Andrew Wilsonif the entire What do you mean that? How is that is saying that co co-ed schools have worse outcomes than girls or boys only school a segregationist? So what
03:21:30
Naima (Jubilee)like hang on answer my question first. You plan on segregating boys and girls and separating them so they're not in the same schools. Yeah. And you want that universally everywhere. Yeah. But what do parents want their kids to be in classrooms? Why would they want that? So
03:21:44
Andrew Wilsonthat they can learn how to socialize with the opposite sex. Maybe they can learn how to socialize with the opposite sex. Like after school events, uh various things like if you got sisters, you would go to them the same way that we always did. Before we had co-ed schools learn the same way and not all
03:21:57
Andrew Wilsongirls learn the same way. But inside of those schools, it would be up to those schools to segregate those students who learned in different ways to put them in special education classes. Why not just do that in co-ed classrooms in which you have students who all learn the same
03:22:08
Naima (Jubilee)regardless of gender because of universal because of universalization of the rules favoring one sex over the other, which they do. Okay? But if you had a co-ed classroom in which all students who learned a specific way
03:22:20
Andrew Wilsonregardless of their gender were in that room, why not separate them on the basis of learning style instead of just the basis of sex? Yeah. So if you're asking me like why wouldn't we take x amount of these kids and separate them over here
03:22:32
Andrew Wilsonand separate them over there? It' be just a resource issue. So we're already looking at 5% GDP. If you were to have uh all all girls schools and all boy schools, right? And you separated them on the basis of all girl all boy. You
03:22:45
Naima (Jubilee)would be able to limit resources and allocate them much better to those genders. Okay. But in public schools, that's public schools. I understand that. So in public schools, there's a certain amount of schools per district. If you were going to separate all of
03:22:58
Andrew Wilsonthose schools, then there would be either double the schools for you could use the same amount. You could use the same amount of resources to double the school. So if it's the case that right now you had a school which was co-ed,
03:23:11
Andrew Wilsonright? You could split that school in half and still make one side boys only, one side girls only if necessary. That happened many, many, many times. Why not just do it based on learning style? Because because again you have x amount
03:23:23
Andrew Wilsonof resources which are allocated to a group. If you begin to try to relocate every individualistic student into whatever core group you think they might learn best with ultimately rather than
03:23:35
Andrew Wilsongender segregate you know that the core at least most of them share and then pick those the you know like the problematic kids out of that pool. You're going to save a shitload of resources. We tried that with black
03:23:47
Naima (Jubilee)people and it did not go well. We're not talking about segregating based on race, but I mean, if you're segregating based on sex, what if one group is then funded less? And I want you to think about So what if let's say what if we did do that and then there was a case in which
03:23:59
Naima (Jubilee)teachers who were majority female were systemically discriminating against young boys. Yeah. Then you should get rid of those teachers and they defunded the schools that were boy. How would they defund them? Or they choose not to
03:24:11
Andrew Wilsonteach those classes or they choose to teach those classes in a way that is not actually helpful to young boys. Yeah. You could get teachers in that would do all male definitely do all male classrooms. They have them right now. And not only that, we always had this by
03:24:23
Andrew Wilsonthe way. See, this is I think the hang on hang on. Let's get into it. Like so for instance, let me give you another few core ideas here. Uh if it is the case that you had sex segregated schools, do you think sex and sexual
03:24:34
Andrew Wilsonintercourse and teenage pregnancy and STDs in schools would go up or down? It depends on how we're teaching sex education in this. No. Just like trivially. If there's no women around, they're not going to get pregnant,
03:24:46
Andrew Wilsonright? I don't know. If people want to have sex, I can find the ability to sex. You know what this is giving? It's giving like the number one birth control advice. So, let me So, let me just make sure I got that. I got this right. If girls and boys go to different schools,
03:24:58
Andrew Wilsonyou don't actually think that they would be having underage sex more or less. Do I have that right? I don't think that we can necessarily say if it would be more or less. So, I mean, are they less horny?
03:25:09
Andrew WilsonLike no, they're just as horny, but they just don't have access. They don't have access. Why don't they have access? Because they're in different schools. But do they not have a phone? How How is they even if you have a phone? How do
03:25:22
Andrew Wilsonyou have the same access you do if Susie is sitting three [ __ ] desks down? That's insane. This is like a very This is giving Boomer a Are you ever going to respond respond to the argument? You still have access to them through social
03:25:34
Andrew Wilsonmedia. Oh my god. Hey, you want to meet up? And is it as easy to meet up with them if you're not in the same school? No. I thought you just wanted to split schools in half. Some you could do it for some, but for the other many open
03:25:46
Andrew Wilsoncampus schools, especially, right, especially high schools are so large, you could split them in half and it would be like how a lot of high schools are now where you have one here and one just down the road, okay? And then they'd walk just down the road and oh my
03:25:58
Andrew Wilsongod, look, there's you still don't have you still don't have the access for talking to them, for arranging it. It's not to say that that wouldn't still happen, but it would necessarily reduce that, wouldn't it? Just necessarily. It would be trivially true that if they did
03:26:10
Andrew Wilsonnot have as much access to each other, the chances that they're getting that they're having sex is triv at least trivially going to go down. Right. Sure. But why not just increase the level of sex education in this because we've done
03:26:21
Andrew Wilsonnothing but promote sex education in school and it has not done anything to reduce the idea of STDs in kids at all. I think that very much depends on the state and the district. I think that's
03:26:31
Andrew Wilsonvery much we do not have a universal sex education. Let me just ask you like this is that this is such a thing that's common sense and it drives me crazy with the left cuz they're so disingenuous about this. Do you really think as you
03:26:44
Andrew Wilsontell me kids are smart and they have smartphones and they're going to [ __ ] if they want to [ __ ] but they're so [ __ ] stupid they don't understand what sex is. What are kids so [ __ ] smart that
03:26:56
Andrew Wilsonthey're going to intelligently bypass your sexually segregated schools in order to find each other to have sex, but they're so [ __ ] stupid they don't know what sex is? No one is claiming kids don't know what se sex is. We're
03:27:08
Naima (Jubilee)claiming that they don't know how to have sex safely. Oh, you're So they're so smart they can do that, but they can't figure out how to put a [ __ ] condom on. Apparently. Apparently. I mean, we see it all over the country. Children who do not have access to sex education have a 10. These little
03:27:20
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] MacGyvers are going to figure out how to grab their smartphones and MacGyver out how to [ __ ] navigate to find each other to [ __ ] but they're not going to be able to figure out how to slap a condom on. You've never been a child with a phone. I have. And I can tell you it's not that hard to find if
03:27:34
Andrew Wilsonyou really want. Is it really hard to Google how to put a condom on? Yes, but a lot of kids just genuinely do not know or do not latex or it hurts. They're so [ __ ] smart. And and by the way, the idea too that religious parents don't
03:27:45
Andrew Wilsoninstruct their children on what safe sex is insane. I never said that. And by the way, the other problem that you have here is again you're attributing that these people that these kids have maggyver like stealth [ __ ] you know,
03:27:58
Andrew Wilsonprowess where they can meet up with each other, plan all this, coordinate it when they're in sex segregated schools, but can't figure out how to put on condoms or take birth control. That's [ __ ] insane. They should, but it's not even about putting them on. It's about having access. I didn't know how to have
03:28:10
Naima (Jubilee)access. They would still have they still have the same access. They're just in sex segregated schools, but they just don't know. But that's what I'm saying. You don't have to do all that. If the goal is to eliminate unprotected
03:28:20
Andrew Wilsonincreasing sexual education in schools is not preventing these issues at all. Yes. Especially not when it comes to learning and how the rules favor little girls over little boys. It's not helping with any of that. How is sex ed helping
03:28:34
Andrew Wilsonwith that? Sex ed so that kids know where to go. Like I learned what planned parenthood. How is that helping with the bias towards little girls over little boys in school? How? Well, not sex education. Are you talking about safe sex or the
03:28:47
Andrew Wilsonbias? Yeah. What I'm telling you is that you have additional benefits with sex segregated schools on top of the primary benefit of not having favoritism over one sex over the other. Okay. But there are a lot of ways I feel like one thing
03:28:59
Naima (Jubilee)that I'm really not loving about your argument is how different you claim girls and boys and men and women are. They are very different. They're not that different. We are 99.9% similar. And how similar are you to a chimpanzeee?
03:29:11
Naima (Jubilee)The same. So, are you very different from a chimpanzeee? Yeah, but we have multiple chromosomes different than chimpanzees. Wait, wait, wait. I'm
03:29:18
Naima (Jubilee)sorry. You just said we're 98 I'm sorry. How much? 98%. No. 99.9% similar. 99.9% similar. How genetically similar are we to chimpanzees? Yeah. Pull it up. Now, I kind of want to know how genetically
03:29:31
Brian Atlassimilar are human beings to chimpanzees. Are we the same species? Yes or no? The same species. Men and women. Yes. Humans and chimps share a surprising 98.8% of
03:29:41
Andrew Wilsontheir less. 98.8% and we're very [ __ ] different, aren't we? 99.9% is the difference between one chromosome. Yeah, but do you
03:29:52
Andrew Wilsonunderstand chromosome that if you're 98 or like almost, by the way, that's almost 99% similar to like one of your ancestral cousins and you have that much of a stark difference that a 0.1
03:30:04
Andrew Wilsonpercentile can mean a huge difference. And it does. And here's the things that it means a difference in. One sex can reproduce, the other sex cannot. One has physical characteristics that the other one does not. One has uh strength
03:30:16
Andrew Wilsonadvantages, the other one does not. One has emotional problems due to uh hormone regulation built into the body for reproduction that the other does not. The list goes on and on and on of the
03:30:27
Naima (Jubilee)distinct differences between males and females, and they're huge. I actually wrote down all of the distinct differences between men and women. Um so in terms of the physiological, yes, men have denser and stronger bones. are 34%
03:30:39
Naima (Jubilee)denser. The difference in average oh we have difference in skull shapes and jaw shapes. Men have higher muscle mass percentage than women which attributes to the strength. Women have higher body
03:30:50
Andrew Wilsonfat percentage. Men on average are 7% taller. And then mentally it's mostly hormonal differences as we also you missed reproduction. Oh sure. Yes. Yeah. Women that's the big one, right? Women have reproductive
03:31:02
Andrew Wilsoncapacities, including a uterus, and they have trouble with hormone regulation due to the fact that they engage in reproduction. Right. It's so funny that you say women have trouble with hormone regulation, and all the time I hear how hard it is for men who have testosterone and how hard testosterone No, you don't.
03:31:15
Andrew WilsonYou don't hear that. It's the fountain of youth for men, keeps men young, and it helps with their mood. What you'll usually hear about for testo for testosterone in men is that if they have lower testosterone, they have trouble with mood regulation. Okay. Yeah. So, if
03:31:27
Andrew Wilsonyou're talking about women though, they have trouble once per month with hormone regulation due to their reproduction cycle. Sure, but that's not a ridiculously huge difference. It's a massive difference that 12 times a
03:31:38
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] year, you have significant hormonal issues. And by the way, other significant hormone issues come up with the use of birth control, the use and the use of things like this, which are
03:31:48
Andrew Wilsonagain tailored to one sex, the sex that um is capable of reproduction. So when you're talking about the distinctions between these sexes, they're way wider than you are pretending they are. Why do you keep trying to separate us? Because
03:32:01
Naima (Jubilee)we're not the same. We're not the same people. We're not survive without each other and we are the same species and these differences are necessarily negative. Can you tell me again how it is that we're not night and day difference when you have one sex who's
03:32:14
Andrew Wilsonextremely who's much stronger than the other much. It's it's significant. I don't know. We both were not able to open that olive can. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, um, one sex is significantly stronger than the other sex. One sex
03:32:27
Andrew Wilsondoes not have the same trouble with hormone regulation, does not have a uterus, doesn't even have the same internal organs. Their plumbing doesn't even work the same way. The way they urinate or the way they urinate other than a uterus. No, no, no. The way they
03:32:39
Andrew Wilsonurinate doesn't doesn't work the same way. The the entire sexual plumbing doesn't work the same way. The physiological differences are actually quite wide. All you've mentioned is reproductive organs. Yes, we all know we have different reproductive not just
03:32:51
Andrew Wilsonreproductive or o or organs. We have different ways in which we engage with the world due to the different types of hormones we have and how they're regulated in our bodies. We even have different brain patterns of how we think. Yes, that's true. But that's not such an horrifically and exclusive and
03:33:05
Andrew Wilsonlarge difference. We should treat each other differently. In many cases, no. And in many cases, yes. In so what cases would you I already told you like in cases where you have a predominant occupation of one sex over the other where they have power over young people,
03:33:18
Andrew Wilsonright? and they're in the dominant position. They can only look at it from the preference of that sex. If that's the case, then if you had sex segregation in schools, you would end up having more tailored education to that
03:33:30
Naima (Jubilee)particular sex. So, can I say just my issue with all of the things that you're talking about is practical application. It comes down to that is practical. It's not impractical. But wouldn't it be
03:33:39
Naima (Jubilee)slightly more practical if we um encouraged men to be teachers instead of having to separate both the sexes just increasing the amount of males so that both men and women This is a great
03:33:52
Naima (Jubilee)point. Can you can you explain a phenomenon which happens called male flight? Yeah. Male flight is when a career or profession becomes increasingly female dominated and then
03:34:04
Naima (Jubilee)men tend to leave that profession and the pay rates go down. Yeah. Why do they say that they're leaving that profession? I think there's a few reasons. What's the primary reason? I'm not sure actually. Will you give it to
03:34:14
Naima (Jubilee)me? Give it hazard a guess. What do you think it is? Cuz women are mean. Be Well, just hazard a guess. What do you actually think it is? Um, in all honesty, it might just be
03:34:26
Andrew Wilsonthat they don't want to be they don't want to [ __ ] deal with women. They don't want to deal with the the overage of women and the problems which are unique to them that women don't
03:34:35
Naima (Jubilee)understand. and vice versa expect to have a wife or a family or female children. Well, it's really interesting, right? Don't want to deal with women.
03:34:47
Andrew WilsonYeah. The difference is is that having women have authority over you in a dominated female field is like hell on earth for men inside of your personal home where men are generally considered the head of the household. That problem
03:35:00
Naima (Jubilee)doesn't exist. So men are incapable of working with women if women hold. I didn't say incapable, did I? You said it was hell. I asked you about the Is it really hard to have a female boss, Andrew? Not female boss. It's when you
03:35:11
Andrew Wilsonhave a saturated When you have a saturated female demographic in a job, you have male flight. You said we have male flight and you hazarded. Your only guess was cuz they don't like women basically. Can you actually look up the
03:35:24
Naima (Jubilee)reasons for male flight? Yeah, look it up. I mean, that just sounds like [ __ ] to me. It's like, oh, I can't have a job because women are here. I mean, that's crazy. because they cause unique problems, right, from the perspective of the men who they're in
03:35:37
Andrew Wilsoncharge of. And you don't think men cause unique problems to women? Perhaps, but here's the thing. Women don't fly away from male-dominated professions. It's only men who fly away from female dominated male dominated professions tend to make more money. I mean, that
03:35:48
Andrew Wilsonmight be part of No, that's not always the case, especially not with education. I mean, when we're talking about male flight, the phenomenon like nurse, let's take like nursing for instance. Nursing is a very highly paid profession, but
03:36:00
Naima (Jubilee)one of the reasons that they can't get male nurses in is because they don't want to [ __ ] deal with women. You say that nursing is a very highly paid profession. But compared to doctors, which are much more male-dominated, they
03:36:12
Andrew Wilsonmake significantly more than nurses despite both having to get Are you saying that women have the same access to become doctors as men? In fact, through your ideas of DEI, not go to
03:36:24
Naima (Jubilee)college. You can still go to college. Well, not if we wait until Okay, actually, let's go back to your whole let's wait until after you have kids to go to college. If a woman really wanted to become a doctor, that's four years of college and six years of medical school
03:36:36
Naima (Jubilee)and then a residency and then a residency. So, that's But they're doing the residency as a doctor basically. Yeah. So, that's like But it's about like it's around like I want to say 10 years. Yeah. So, okay. So, if you start
03:36:47
Andrew WilsonMhm. going to college at 40 after your kids Well, would you say you start at like 32 33 probably and you'd be done about 41 42? involved in a residency while you're raising children for that
03:36:58
Naima (Jubilee)particular occupation. Yeah. As well as school. Why is that any different than just having a job while you're raising kids? What do you mean? Well, the whole premise is that women would wait after they've had children to go to school.
03:37:11
Andrew WilsonBut you also said that women in the workforce, it doesn't split, it doesn't split the attention from the children and the attention on the job. Like for instance, would you say, especially this example, you picked the worst one. attention
03:37:23
Andrew Wilsonin Would you say that if a woman wanted to become a doctor and have children that that would that would be considerable in the way of time that she
03:37:34
Andrew Wilsonwould have to spend working on being a doctor? Like a considerable amount of time, especially at a residency. But I'm not against women spending time on their careers while children. Yeah. Yeah. But
03:37:45
Naima (Jubilee)but don't you think that that's going to defer attention in a major way? Well, if you're taking care of their children as well, they're working. But if both partners are working and if both partners are taking care of their kids and their kids are getting equal, what's
03:37:57
Andrew Wilsonhappening is you're just outsourcing care. You're just going to outsource the care from the mother. You don't have to do that. You do have to do that. How do both parents work, but you don't outsource any care? My parents did it. How? My dad had a more flexible
03:38:09
Naima (Jubilee)schedule. When my mom was there, she took care of me. When my dad was there, he took care of when nobody was there. Who took care of you? I mean, I think they were almost always there. Okay. So, unless they went on like a date night. So, then they both
03:38:22
Andrew Wilsonweren't working full-time then. They were both working full-time. Okay. So, you happen to be in the one unique position where so flexible one parent could always be home with you. Yes. I went to school. That is not the case for the vast majority of your children go to
03:38:35
Andrew Wilsonschool. They're outsourcing. So, you're outsourcing your care to school. Mhm. So if a person starts So if these people start their workday I thought you were talking about a nanny consider school to
03:38:45
Naima (Jubilee)be outsourcing child care. Yes, of course. Okay, but it's also like like it's illegal to not provide an education. Yeah, but does school need to be 8 n hours a day? I mean it's like 8 to if we are
03:38:58
Andrew Wilsonproducing some of the least educated children on planet earth in any western nation. Is the 8 hour school day really something that's beneficial? The reason it's 8 n hours is exactly for that to try to accommodate a two parent income
03:39:11
Andrew Wilsonand be a babysitting apparatus by the state. So what would you advocate as the amount? Yeah, I would say two hours of school a day is perfectly acceptable. Two hours of school? Get the [ __ ] out. Well, I don't know how many hours of
03:39:23
Naima (Jubilee)school a day that you do. What do you What is it like 10 minutes for social studies? Half an hour? No, no, no. You don't do you don't do subjects like that. People don't learn like that. So what do we do? We do farming. Oh, you would do you would do months on just math or months on just reading, writing,
03:39:35
Andrew Wilsonand arithmetic. You don't have to split the studies. Two hours a day, a month of each subject. Sure. Why? Because people's minds, especially young minds, are tailored much better when you're
03:39:47
Andrew Wilsontrying to learn detailed things like this with having um you know, an hour or two and then a lot of play time and a lot of unlearning and a lot of things like that. Kids actually do a lot better. Yeah. They unlearn things. You're learning things for two hours and then you just spend the rest of the day unlearning what you just learned. No,
03:40:01
Andrew Wilsonnot unlearning what you just learned. You would be unlearning other things like what? Like bad habits that you'd have like you can't take the cookie out of the cookie jar because you get your
03:40:10
Naima (Jubilee)hand smacked. By the way, it's 7:16 and he's calling me now. Hey, bun. You want to come up? Do you mind grabbing my boyfriend for me? Yeah.
03:40:22
Andrew WilsonWe're gonna close out now. Okay. All right. See you in a sec. Love you. Bye. But just real quick, I got this last question. Sure. How is it that you you went to school and had hours and hours and hours and hours and
03:40:34
Andrew Wilsonhours and hours and hours and hours of learning, right? Yes. Okay, great. How did you think that millions of people died on the Trail of Tears? Then they were forcibly removed from their You thought millions of people died on
03:40:46
Naima (Jubilee)the trail of tears. I guess all those hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of history really didn't sink into well. Well, I mean, learning complex thought and reading comprehension doesn't just mean like most kids can read. You got a number wrong like
03:40:58
Andrew WilsonAndrew. And and here's the thing, right? Is like if you're especially when you're talking about reading and literacy, home homeschool kids outperform public school kids. Oh, it's not even in the same universe. And usually most of those
03:41:10
Andrew Wilsoncurriculums hour or two a day. What is your source on that one? Oh, I can pull up a ton. Homeschooling has become one of the biggest alternative and most studied alternatives since co 19 because of the lockdowns. I have a pretty cool documentary about homeschooling. I guess
03:41:21
Brian Atlasdo you guys want to do a mini close? You each get like a final one or two minutes. Well, I'll just make it super easy. So, or well, should we'll let her go first, then you. So, go ahead. If you
03:41:32
Naima (Jubilee)want to do a one to two minute close, then you then we're out. Okay. I mean, I just think a lot of what we just talked about is objectively a little bit ridiculous. I don't understand why you
03:41:42
Naima (Jubilee)would segregate children and massively increase or decrease the hours that kids are in schools and now women don't work and now all of these things. It sounds like you want to turn society upside
03:41:53
Naima (Jubilee)down, which you know, good for you. But I would advocate that it's better to It's not completely broken, but it's not like if you
03:42:05
Naima (Jubilee)understand like the system we live in is not completely broken to the point where you have to completely and radically destroy it and create an an alternative
03:42:14
Naima (Jubilee)that has no practical application at all. Like we've never done that. We've never done segregated schools for two hours a
03:42:25
Naima (Jubilee)day. Really? When did we nationally have public schools that were 2 hours a day separated by gender? It's your clothes. Okay. Yeah. I mean, to me, this just
03:42:37
Naima (Jubilee)seems unrealistic. It seems unnecessary and it doesn't seem like it's really benefiting other one anyone but you, I guess. And I don't understand why you
03:42:48
Naima (Jubilee)would advocate for such impossibly impractical things other than to sell your debate course. You should have taken it. So the what's
03:43:01
Andrew Wilsoninteresting is like uh your entire closing statement just a giant fallacy. It was just an appeal to incredility. It's just like I just think it's like really like impractical and like it doesn't make sense. It is impractical.
03:43:12
Andrew WilsonDid I interrupt your clothes once? No. No. you just I just like think like it's impractical and stuff. It's like well that's not an argument for anything and you can see it on all the descriptive points that I give for these problems. You say I just don't like the
03:43:25
Andrew Wilsonprescriptions. That's fair. You can criticize the prescriptions but when I ask what the criticism of the prescription is. It's just like uh well like I just like think maybe it won't like work or or or whatnot or you know what we've never done this before. We
03:43:37
Andrew Wilsonhave we never had sex segregated schools. We did. They only they never only lasted a couple hours a day. They most certainly did. Like if we go back through history and you look at what local schools used to be, yeah, they they didn't take very long. There was
03:43:50
Andrew Wilsonone single school master. These were in much smaller towns. The tailoring, by the way, if you look at what an eighth grade education was like a 100 years ago, it's the equivalent of a college education today. And the literacy rate was through the roof in comparison to
03:44:02
Andrew Wilsonwhat it is now. It's not even the same universe. If you go back even to the uh 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, it's not even in the same universe. when you're talking about
03:44:12
Andrew Wilsonuh co-ed schools, um there's all sorts of dis disadvantages which include sex, which include uh STD rates, which include now revenge corn, which include
03:44:23
Andrew Wilsonall sorts of things which now technology has enabled. And it's like you can deal with a lot of those problems, especially with how kids are related to by female teachers when they're young men by
03:44:33
Andrew Wilsonsegregating out the sexes in school. It's a great idea. Most everybody does it at least if they have a brain and it works great. You keep separating us and sending us back. The closings are done. You don't
03:44:46
Andrew Wilsonwant you want to argue after the close. Weird man. I'm sorry that I have prescriptions and I have arguments other than weird. I mean if you guys want to continue the conversation but it you know
03:45:00
Naima (Jubilee)it's like weird man. Like everyone should just get together like and sing kumbaya man. No, we shouldn't just get together and sing Kumbaya, but we should try and advance the society instead of trying to do things that we already did thousands of years ago. The literacy
03:45:12
Naima (Jubilee)rate's doing real well. Good job advancing society. The literacy rate is not doing bad because of feminism. Andrew, get over yourself. Like, this is what is it doing bad? Because why? How can you attribute it to
03:45:24
Andrew Wilsonfeminism? I asked you a question. Why is it doing bad? The literacy rate in this country is largely failing because the public education system which is full of women teaching is incredibly underfunded and inherent 5% of our GDP more than any
03:45:37
Andrew Wilsonother nation. It's underfunded. It is underfunded and we continue to overfunding but that's by it's the most it's the most overfunded underfunded thing in the planet. It's by district. It's not funded by the federal
03:45:51
Naima (Jubilee)government. And they get the same amount per district. Public schools are Yes. No, they don't. Yes, they do. No the [ __ ] they don't know [ __ ] Public schools are funded by property taxes. Depends on the district. You get paid by
03:46:02
Naima (Jubilee)the head for federal funding. Federal funding. Yes. But public schools do not receive the primarity of their funding or the majority of their funding through
03:46:12
Brian Atlasfederal funding. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. No, they don't. All right. Here's what we can do. If you guys are both open to it, we'll do a
03:46:22
Brian Atlasround two uh at some future date. Would you be interested in doing a secondary a second conversation? Hit me up. It depends. We'll talk when I'm coming back. Sure. Sure. Sure. We'll we can
03:46:34
Brian Atlasalways discuss it. Uh I want to thank both of you very much for participating in this discussion, in this debate. Thank you guys so much. GG.
03:46:43
Brian AtlasWell played to the uh to the viewers, to the debaters. Last call. Please hit the like button on your way out. Thank you for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you are here with us. I appreciate that. Thank
03:46:56
Brian Atlasyou to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show. Uh our next dating talk uh podcast will be live again. We'll be live Sunday 5:00 p.m. Pacific. I want to see 07s in the chat.
03:47:08
Brian Atlas07s in the chat. Let me just double check make sure we're not screwing over like any last minute chatters that came through. Unfortunately, guys, we do got to wrap. I saw I see some super chats, but we got to uh wrap it up here. I'll
03:47:18
SPEAKER_04let Z come in and then we're we're wrapped. Zed donated $200. Thank you, Z. Andrew is correct. I was also homeschooled myself. Homeschooled kids
03:47:29
SPEAKER_04graduate college more compared to co-ed schools, 67% to 53%. They also are socially and emotionally better since they aren't bullied. Correct. And they don't have to worry about revenge corn. They don't have to worry about the
03:47:41
Andrew Wilsonnegative aspects of socialization. Absent adult supervision for hours and hours at a time. They also don't have to worry about the positive aspects of socialization either. No, they they still get the positive aspects of socialization. You know, you can go to
03:47:53
Andrew Wilsonmost after school programs if you're homeschooled, even if you don't go to that school. All right. 07's in the chat, guys. Not everyone has the financial ability to homeschool their kids. Literally have to
03:48:04
Brian Atlasgo. Thanks to feminism. 07's in the capitalism. Thanks to feminism. Stay tuned for round two. Stay tuned for round two. 07's in the chat. Good night, guys. We'll see you next time. Yeah.