Plus Size Model ONLY Dates Men Who Make $1,000,000+?! Rachel Wilson CRASHES SHOW! | Dating Talk #189
Date: 2024-08-21
Duration: 7h 16m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_05(audience)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Shannon(guest)
SPEAKER_12Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_13(guest)
SPEAKER_14(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:59
IntroShannon introduces herself: 28yo, LA, self-employed (influencer marketing, petsitting, reselling).
“hello my name is Shannon and my age is 28 I'm originally from Los Angeles California”
00:03:50
IntroLindsay introduces herself: 20yo, Venice, DJ producer, parents support her financially.
“I'm Lindsay I am 20 I live in uh Venice I'm from Manhattan Beach and I'm a DJ producer and my parents give me money”
00:07:47
IntroStar introduces herself: 26yo, Valley LA, TikTok singer/YouTuber, new song 'NPC' out next week.
“my name is star I'm 26 um born and raised in the valley in LA and I'm a Tik tocker singer YouTuber”
00:40:00
QuoteStar describes becoming celibate after paranormal experiences and religious conversion through a 20yo Christian virgin she fell in love with.
“last day to the Virgin that showed me the presence of God while I was having paranormal Supernatural experiences now I'm super spiritual religious after that and celibate waiting for marriage”
00:56:19
QuoteStar reveals her body count is 24, including hosting a sex party at age 14 that got her kicked out of treatment.
“24 how many men how many women mostly women... six men and I regret part of my body count I got kicked out of treatment at 14 cuz I hosted a sex party”
01:11:31
OtherAbby (chair 4, Ventura) leaves the show ~71 minutes in. Had blood drawn earlier and had a panic attack backstage. Brian announces it on camera.
“she had like a full panic attack... she said she got a blood draw today for the first time and then she said this whole experience just kind of freaked her out”
01:53:33
OtherAndrew Wilson joins via video call after his day debate. Video lag issues at start. Greets the panel.
“how you guys doing tonight doing good how the DEA yeah it was a absolute disaster but oh um yeah just a disaster”
02:16:36
QuoteShannon gives herself a 6.5 self-rating, then Andrew Wilson laughs audibly (mic was on).
“I would give myself a realistic 6.5 [Laughter] my God rud Andrew”
06:16:24
ControversyRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) crashes the show and confronts Shannon about wanting men to pay on dates while being childfree and feminist.
“Rachel literally got dragged out of bed for this... I hear my husband is a woman hating misogynist and I'm here”
06:20:00
QuoteRachel Wilson delivers argument: women must choose between traditional treatment (men pay, protect) and equality (split costs, handle own problems).
“you guys have to choose do you want to be strong independent equal women or do you want chivalry and protection and provision you want the best of both”
07:01:00
QuoteStar reveals body count is 24 (6 men); Lindsay's is under 20 mixed, under 10 men; Mia's is 11; Morgan's is 1.
“yeah 24... six men... somewhere with under 20 under 10... 11... Morgan one Uno”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Guest introductions
Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status. Panel: Shannon (28, LA), Lindsay (20, Venice), Ayra (20, Hollywood), Abby (27, Ventura via Kansas), Star (26, Valley LA), Mia Huffman (22, OC/LA), Morgan (18, Bay Area), Ava (24, Santa Barbara).
00:09:20
Relationship statuses and dating histories
Each guest shares current relationship status, longest relationship, and recent dating experiences. Star discusses falling in love with 20yo Christian virgin (incompatibility over virginity pledge). Lindsay discusses talking stages and bisexuality. Shannon discusses 6-month relationship via Bumble. Abby leaves early (~71 min, panic attack).
00:33:20
Hookup culture and sexuality
Lindsay and Shannon discuss hookup culture. Lindsay is bisexual, hooks up with both men and women. Star discusses Christian virginity pact and her own celibacy decision. Extended discussion on who Lindsay is casually seeing.
00:50:00
Who should pay on first dates / chivalry
Extended discussion on whether men should pay on first dates. React videos played. Most panel members say men should pay. Brian argues for women paying their own share as fair given modern feminism. Shannon and Lindsay favor men paying. Morgan neutral. Andrew Wilson call-in agrees traditional arrangement requires women to fulfill traditional roles in return.
00:54:00
Feminism and traditional gender roles
Table-wide discussion on whether guests identify as feminists. Shannon is moderate feminist. Star, Morgan, Ava are not feminists. Debate on modern wave feminism vs. equal rights feminism. Discussion of stay-at-home wife role as valid labor.
01:53:33
Andrew Wilson call-in
Andrew Wilson (Daily Wire) calls in via video chat for ~5 hours. Topics include chivalry and feminist hypocrisy, virginity and body count, the bear vs. man debate, traditional gender roles, abortion, misogyny accusations, who should take the bullet for the other, and laundry/chores. Notable moments: Star accuses Andrew of misogyny; Andrew responds with structured arguments. Video lag issues at start.
02:13:20
Self-ratings (1-10 attractiveness)
Prompted by Stiffler (chat donation). Shannon: 6.5. Lindsay: 9-10. Star: declined (cited malicious intent). Mia: 8.5. Ava: 7 (said 6 last appearance). Brian: 5. Andrew: 4.
05:26:40
Bear vs man debate
Standard Whatever segment: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the woods. Panel gives varying percentages on likelihood of man attacking. Brian concludes the women are 'crazy.'
05:38:20
Laundry and domestic tasks
Brian asks if women should do a man's laundry first time visiting his house. Extended comedic segment where Brian admits he expects domestic tasks on first visit. Andrew Wilson agrees with traditional framework. Star and Mia have mixed views. Morgan says no.
06:16:24
Rachel Wilson crashes the show
Rachel Wilson (Andrew's wife, stay-at-home mom) comes downstairs ~376 min. Debates Shannon directly about feminism, childfree choice, men paying on dates, and what women offer in traditional vs egalitarian arrangements. Rachel argues women who want equality should pay their own way. Shannon argues she has intrinsic value as a woman. Heated exchange on traditional vs modern womanhood. Rachel leaves ~401 min.
07:01:00
Body count round
Near end of show. Lindsay: under 20 mixed (under 10 men). Shannon: pleaded fifth. Star: 24 (6 men; mentions sex party at 14). Mia: 11. Morgan: 1.
Transcript
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03:42:49
Andrew WilsonI'll pray for you when you're whenever you're in an argument with a Christian right or somebody's identifying as a Christian just usually Protestants and they say when you're arguing and they're wrong or something like this like I'll pray for you that usually just means
03:43:02
Andrew Wilsonyou that's usually what it mean the argument's over and you that's usually what they mean by that does he have any info about like Deliverance like she had discussed earlier let's move it on was that what you wanted to I
03:43:12
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03:43:24
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03:43:45
Brian Atlaswe have Shannon Shannon you said you're okay hold on dating apps complicate but also help current dating having a dating roster
03:43:58
Shannontalking to multiple men at once while dating as a woman is a good thing I think that um a lot of men date multiple women at once and that women
03:44:10
Shannonshould also probably be dating multiple men at once um I think having a roster that you're not sleeping with is probably a good thing when you are
03:44:20
Shannondating just to kind of have different options I guess and just kind of like see who you're best fit with but also to not waste your own
03:44:31
Brian Atlastime okay um who do you think has the ability to be dating multiple people like who has a better ability to do that men or women
03:44:43
Brian Atlascuz you said well a lot of guys do this a go women should do it too because men do it I think it's only fair that both do
03:44:53
Shannonit I mean in the in the talking stages in the dating world I think that some people only talk to one person at a time but I think majority of people who are
03:45:04
Shannonlooking for a long-term relationship they go on dates with multiple people at the same time to kind of feel it out now you said it's only fair if both do it is
03:45:14
Brian Atlasit going back to the previous discussion is it only fair that women pay for dates or pay for their selves on dates excuse me if a woman wants to pay for herself
03:45:25
Shannonon a date she can but I don't think that's the norm why not because of what I said before there's chivalry men a lot
03:45:34
Shannonof men still want to at least for the first couple dates pay to show romantic interest no none none of none of them anymore want to pay for want to do that anymore well then they're probably not
03:45:47
Andrew Wilsongetting second or third dates so so well then well then well then it's not really a matter of cuz you kind of frame this like I'm doing this
03:45:57
Andrew Wilsonbig favor to them by allowing them to embrace their chivalrous nature and pay for my date wow how nice of me to do that for them but as it turns out that's
03:46:09
Shannonnot really the case the case is that you just want him to pay for the date right that's actually what the case es I think because it shows romantic interest I think a lot of women if a man doesn't
03:46:20
Shannonpay for the first or second date they think oh maybe this guy is just interested in being friends or they see a Down the Line oh we're going to be going 50/50 on everything if I'm already
03:46:32
Shannonpaying 50/50 for a first date or if I'm paying fully for the first date then what what makes me think this man's not gold digging after me yeah but I mean if
03:46:43
Shannonhe's going 50/50 with you um I I don't understand what what's the actual problem with that on the first couple dates I think a lot of women it's kind of like guys are keeping it safe like oh I don't want to spend all this
03:46:55
Shannonmoney on this girl but you know that if they were with like their dream woman then they would have usually no problem paying the entire thing so it's kind of showing well could you just reverse the
03:47:07
Andrew Wilsonlogic there and say okay if you're with your dream man you'd have no problem paying for everything personally my dream man would not have have me paying for everything yeah but that's beside the
03:47:18
Andrew Wilsonpoint right so I understand that's not your preference but couldn't the logic itself be applied the same way so if you
03:47:25
Andrew Wilsonsay um the type of man my dream guy the dream guy is going to pay for everything uh wouldn't the reverse of that for the man be okay the dream girl pays for
03:47:37
Andrew Wilsoneverything wouldn't that be the same standard applied sure if if that's what their dream woman does then that's their dream woman you can't argue that so how is how is the idea that you want them to
03:47:49
Shannonpay for the meal anything short of entitlement I don't think it's entitled I think that what is he doing I'm sorry I think I'm so I'm sorry
03:48:01
ShannonI think this just kind of how our society has normally been that men show chivalry through these acts of whether beholding for all your not all of
03:48:13
Shannonit but I think at the very beginning of dating there is the courting phase where a man will should bring flowers should uh hold the doors open and pay for the date what does the woman do just show up
03:48:25
Andrew Wilsonyes I was going to say yeah what should women do then you should show up looking your best and prepared for the date and I would hope that so nothing so the expectation is that you put on makeup
03:48:37
Andrew Wilsonand show up that's really the pretty expensive oh boy do we have to do the math on this
03:48:47
Brian Atlaswait is that the justification though is this just like a summary of the podcast what is what this person we had we'll later we'll pull it up later
03:49:01
Shannondisregard um no I think that women go into dates with the expectation some women of that I want this to be a long-term committed
03:49:12
Shannonrelationship and I think a a guy even having a woman give them the courtesy of going on a date with them when so many women are nervous and afraid to go out
03:49:23
Shannonone-on-one on Dat with men like yeah I think it's a privilege it's a privilege to pay for your dat privil yeah I think it's a privilege to be seen out in public with a woman you find
03:49:34
Andrew Wilsonattractive there so there so wait so it's not that women are privileged and that you're privileged because you have the expectation that men will pay for for the dates to go on it's actually
03:49:46
Andrew Wilsonthat men are privileged because they're allowed to take you on a date they should be grateful to even back in the day to even like be on a date
03:49:58
Shannonwith a woman you had to usually like ask her father and uh have a good job and already have some type of like thing you could provide to her to even get appeal you're just appealing to history right
03:50:10
Andrew Wilsonthat is not the day we live in that is not the age we live in definitely don't have to ask women's fathers to take them on dates some do though and there's some people who are still old-fashioned in
03:50:21
Andrew Wilsonthat sense yeah but there's expectations that came with that so from for instance the the expectation for chivalry you can't just give the one side of the coin and say well Once Upon a Time men were very chivalrous and they were only um
03:50:35
Andrew Wilsonyou know when they take us on dates they'd pay for everything they would bring us flowers etc etc that's all true but what about the other side of the coin which was the women's responsibility like oh here's one you only date one guy at a time right you're
03:50:47
Andrew Wilsonnot dating any other guy why you're dating one guy that would be a a responsibility that the woman had uh they're always on time they're always presentable also they're good company that would have been a requirement for
03:50:59
Shannonthem as well none of those requirements for women now why would any of those be requirements for men I mean for some men having a woman whose good company is a requirement and those women who don't bring that to the table for that
03:51:09
Andrew Wilsonparticular guy also don't get second or third dates yeah but your expect ation isn't that just traditional men pay for the dates the expectation to be non-traditional men also pay for the
03:51:21
Shannondates right if you're a non-traditional man and then you wouldn't necessarily pay for the date that makes sense but most traditional men would pay for a first
03:51:33
Shannondate and is that what you're after as a traditional man um I'm kind of in the middle uh cuz I'm not planning to be a stay-at-home mom so I don't need someone who's a full-blown provider do they pay
03:51:45
Andrew Wilsonfor the date I don't get why what what are they paying for the date for they're traditional traditional men value they value that a woman is out being their company and they enjoy the company do
03:51:55
Andrew Wilsonyou think that when men were shival usly paying for everything for women that they would have the expectation that the women would be virgins um probably back in the day yeah
03:52:06
Andrew Wilsonyeah and do you think that they can have any such expectation now some men yeah some men do want women who are virgin you think that they can have the expectation that almost any woman they go on a date with is actually going to
03:52:19
Andrew Wilsonbe a virgin in this day and AG they could ask beforehand or they could get to know the woman figure out that's not my question my question is do you think that most men would have the expectation that basically any woman they went on a date with would be a virgin I think it
03:52:31
Brian Atlasdepends on how they met the woman if it's off of a random dating app then perhaps wait I just got to come in on that but do random women on dating apps have the expectation that men should pay
03:52:41
Shannonfor first aides usually yeah I think so yeah just because a woman's not a virgin doesn't mean you don't pay for the first date yeah but that but here's the thing
03:52:53
Andrew Wilsonso all you're doing is saying that men should have this holdover responsibility of chivalry from a bygone era where they have the expectation that the women that they were with were only dating them and also were virgins don't you think that
03:53:05
Shannonthat's kind of a raw end of the deal for men now well men nowadays can you know it's legal to go 50/50 or have a woman pay on a first date it's not illegal
03:53:16
Shannonit's just preferences yeah it's just preferences so um sure men back in the day wanted to go and pay for everything for specifically a virgin and now the goal poost has shifted where men want to
03:53:28
Shannongo on dates with women and they may or may not be virgins but it's kind of an odd thing to ask before none of them are going well wait almost none of them are going to be almost none okay then they should hold out for someone who is if
03:53:40
Andrew Wilsonthat's what they want right but why so basically if if if a woman or if a man would have the preference of a very low body counter virgin woman and goes out
03:53:50
Shannonon any date with a woman who isn't that uh why the hell would he pay for everything that just makes no sense then he wouldn't and that's not the girl for him so I understand him wanting to go
03:54:01
Shannon50/50 but also me too there wouldn't be a first date like I I think if you have these um sort of not rule Breakers but like
03:54:12
Shannondating uh non-negotiable then that's something that you should probably put in the talking stage before you go on a physical date with that person and spend your hard-earned money yeah but why should there be an
03:54:23
Andrew Wilsonexpectation of a woman is not traditional she slept with like many many men for instance okay or any number of these non-traditional traits that modern women have why should they have
03:54:35
Andrew Wilsonany expectation to have any sort of traditionalism out of a man like paying for dates opening doors and chivalry I don't even understand how is that anything other than entitlement I'm not going to do any of the
03:54:46
Andrew Wilsonexpectations for the things that women used to do for this chivalry but I still want the chivalry can you explain how that's not actually entitled it I guess
03:54:55
Shannonit's just to each their own like I I would expect a man to not be a virgin but or I would I would expect yeah a man to not be a virgin but still
03:55:05
Shannonbe wanting to pay on a first date so why myself going on a first date potentially as a nonvert virgin would I expect a man to not want to pay I mean
03:55:17
Andrew Wilsonif so I mean if if you're not a virgin and he's not a virgin I still don't understand why he's paying here that yeah I mean men value having a woman to go out with if he didn't want
03:55:30
Andrew Wilsonto pay he didn't want to be there he wouldn't ask the person on the date in the first place well that's bizarre if you wouldn't accept I would hope if you didn't want to be there and didn't want
03:55:41
Andrew Wilsonto go with him unless it was just for the purpose of getting like a free dinner out of it no I don't think most women are going well if it's not if you're not going to get free then
03:55:52
Shannonyou're there for the same reason he's there right no I'm there to see if there's potential for a long-term relationship I think a lot he's there
03:56:03
Andrew Wilsonfor I think he's there for the potential of a long-term relationship or a short-term relationship I think other woman so every but that's a preferences
03:56:13
Andrew Wilsonof anybody so any woman going out with a man it could be the same thing right but the thing is I assume that if a man asks you out you're not there cuz you want free you're there because you want to know the potentiality of having a
03:56:25
Andrew Wilsonlong-term relationship with him if that is the case then again you haven't really shown me why he's supposed to pay for everything other than you just want him to well we answered the love at
03:56:36
Shannonfirst sight question so most of us agree that love at first sight isn't a thing but attraction and wanting to get to know the person further is is so if you've been messaging on a dating app or
03:56:47
Shannonyou met in person you already have this initial attraction and want to get to know the person more so then if you're a guy and you want the chance of getting to know a woman further usually you
03:56:58
Andrew Wilsonwould pay for the date and not go 50/50 because well wait wait wait doesn't the isn't the woman going on the date to also do the same thing get to know him further otherwise why is she going yeah
03:57:10
Shannonand I want to know what kind of guy you are and if you're going to make me pay for the bill or split that's to me a bad sign of a long-term relationship like
03:57:21
Shannonyou're already expecting off the bat for me to be paying half why is that an unreasonable expectation just for me personally it's just not my cup of tea I
03:57:31
Shannonjust don't think that it shows true romantic interest like I want them to be investing in the relationship not only not only time but also some finances I mean it seems like a complete double
03:57:42
Shannonstandard but I won't believe the point I think that's why a lot of guys maybe don't get second or third dates because sometimes it's just from splitting the bill maybe some women just don't like
03:57:53
Shannonthat approach but also I think maybe if the chemistry and the vibe is off and even if the guy pays the whole bill they might not get a second or third date because the vibe's just off it just kind of depends on the person you're
03:58:08
Andrew Wilsondating I thought it was like cuz biologically me wait wait do you think that the vibe wait I just want to make sure I'm clear on this you do you you would not date let's say he's Mr Perfect he's in the looks
03:58:20
Andrew WilsonDepartment personality everything else but he just says look uh I don't think it's fair for me to have to pay for the for the entirety of this date if we're both here for the same purpose you're saying that's a disqualifier for you
03:58:33
Shannoneven though all the other marks are checked if it's like a first or second date I wouldn't find it very attractive but after a while I think that you know
03:58:44
Shannongoing back and forth on paying for dates after you get to know the person but I really want to see um effort on the guys part that they're invested
03:58:55
Andrew Wilsonin getting to know me well let me just ask you I'll follow up this last thing if it were the case that a man told you asked you out and said that he did not
03:59:06
Andrew Wilsonwant to pay for the date would you consider that a red flag yes then why do you have the expectation that he wouldn't see the same red flag with you
03:59:15
Shannonif you refus I think a lot of guys do um like they don't like a woman who just expects men to pay on the first date um
03:59:26
Shannonwhich you are one of those women but my expectations come from my lived reality which is that pretty much for the most part every date I've been on the guy has paid um but come towards the second or
03:59:38
Shannonthird date I'll offer to split and most of the time they don't want to well have magnanimous of you uh okay I I appreciate the uh the back and forth
03:59:49
SPEAKER_14there did you oh I was just going to say I just thought that it was cuz biologically men were providers and protectors and women were nurturers and caretakers so I thought biologically we
04:00:01
Andrew Wilsonwould look for those traits and they would look for that in us like yeah so I don't uh I don't dispute that I think uh the ontology of men and women follows this pedigree however I think that if
04:00:13
Andrew Wilsonthat is true aren't women supposed to be acting in that pedigree and not acting in some other manner meaning okay I want
04:00:23
Andrew Wilsona provider and I want a provider to take care of me and uh etc etc in this case you the woman is the nurturer blah blah blah blah blah but if that's the case and you want to do this the correct way
04:00:35
Andrew Wilsonwhy would the expect why wouldn't the expectation of the man be then that you did everything in that traditional way meaning that you virginity or body count
04:00:44
Andrew Wilsonat the very least or uh the submission portion of this uh etc etc why wouldn't he have those expectations it's like you can't ask him to provide you with all
04:00:55
Andrew Wilsonthose things and then not give your end of that right otherwise uh you know what are you what are you doing here yeah I'm just saying that
04:01:05
Brian Atlasbiologically just feel that way like that's just the way we feel okay I guess biologically men also
04:01:14
Brian Atlasprefer women who are not promiscuous and virgins but biologically men like paying for dates Brian yeah well this all stem from I
04:01:25
Brian Atlasthink this all stem from we were talking about rotational dating women you said while men do this men they date multiple women at the same
04:01:37
Brian Atlastime so women should do the same and then I think I that's how we got back into it about well so then women should pay because that's
04:01:48
Shannonwhat men do it's not illegal to pay for a first date if you're a woman you can but I just think that typically women are under the assumption that if a man asks
04:02:00
Brian Atlasthem out and wants to get to know them further that they would be more than happy to pay for a first date uh sure yeah most men are more probably more than happy to pay for the
04:02:11
Brian Atlasfirst date but the thing is is that I as a man can never go into a date with the same expectations that women can go into a date are you going on a date with another
04:02:21
Brian Atlasman how I don't see how that's then you can maybe have that expectation of getting your date paid for with a man that's not that doesn't map on one to one about the conversation we're
04:02:33
Brian Atlashaving because we're talking about women dating men and men dating women it's not even clear to me I don't know how gay guys go about it I thought they just I I I didn't think that I don't know how
04:02:44
Brian Atlasthey do it you don't know yeah I don't know how you're kind of giving Vibes like you might know BLM wait how does Leia get come into
04:02:56
Shannonthis it comes into everything well it gets comed in but what the you D um well like you're upset because you want the expectation to be a man goes into a
04:03:07
SPEAKER_14date with a woman and she would pay right no he's saying the expectation that if he would prefer if women prefer men to pay for dates they equally could have the same expectation that women
04:03:18
SPEAKER_05would not be promiscuous the argument was why do you and well met oh look donated $200 2 it's simple Andrew she
04:03:28
SPEAKER_05needs to get paid for her time same as any other escort call it what it is prostitution modern women are trash it's
04:03:37
Brian Atlasjust the way I feel your energy is of a l paladins we do not tolerate that that misogyny disavow um go ahead with your
04:03:49
Andrew Wilsonthat's just simply what the argument is it's just if you if you expect to be paid for for the first date and I'm not decided it's even more pointed right I mean she's she's right but it's even
04:04:00
Andrew Wilsonmore pointed than that it's just to ask oh I want to be a boss babe and I want to not be a stay-at-home mom and I don't want to give you children I don't want to do any of the traditional that men would want in their provider role
04:04:12
Andrew Wilsonthe things that they get out out of it I don't want to do any of that but I want all the perks of as though I am providing all of those things and it's like at that point isn't it delusional to have that expectation but you're not
04:04:25
Andrew Wilsonproviding whole panel wouldn't that be delusional you're not providing those things on the first date you're well you're already signifying that you are providing that yes wait first
04:04:37
Andrew Wilsondate the what the woman shouldn't what woman shouldn't pay oh that well I was actually going to sort of related to that I was gonna ask hang on hang on hang on hang on though real quick before
04:04:48
Andrew Wilsonyou go into that yes there is a signifier here if you're saying I will I like a traditional man who's going to pay for my uh even the first date you
04:04:58
Andrew Wilsonare sending out the signal that you are a traditional woman right that is what you are essentially inferring and so of course you're going to show up on the first date and feel like he got robbed he's going to be like what the kind
04:05:10
Andrew Wilsonof is this you don't want to be a stay-at-home mom you don't want to any still got to pay for the first date that seems absurd right well at least in the relationship that I'm actually in uh my
04:05:21
Shannonboyfriend and I have discussed having children in the future and it's not that I have decided I'm not going to be a stay-at-home mom I'm crushing your dreams it's that we both agree that
04:05:33
Shannonhaving kids is probably not something that we want to do together so I don't think that just because a woman doesn't want to be a stay-at-home mom or or have
04:05:44
Andrew Wilsonsomeone's children did he pay did he pay for the first aid yeah sucker what a sucker all right but I'm in a relationship with him now wait question yeah he's as big a sucker now as he was
04:05:55
Brian Atlaswhen he paid for those first two days I don't think he would wait so you've been dating this guy for 6 months is he you guys live together yeah does he do you
04:06:05
Shannonguys split rent no because he owns the property so hey it's not rent does he pay mortgage his it it's complicated because his his family is involved well
04:06:17
Shannondoes his family own the property yeah him and his family own the property does his family live on the property him and his brother okay but I'm assuming but I help
04:06:28
Shannonwith I help with some of the bills what bills um I help with rent and I have didn't I just ask that yes well well like I help with mortgage but it's like it's not rent per se it's just like
04:06:40
Shannonhelping with utilities and stuff wait so is it rent is it utilities is it I would consider it rent cuz it's not my mortgage I don't own the property but uh I guess I just help with like the
04:06:51
Shannonhousehold stuff that they so you pay rent a little yeah I guess or do you pay utilities uh whatever they put the money towards cuz it's not technically a rent like to me it is but for them it's a
04:07:04
Brian Atlasmortgage well I mean but that it's essentially rent because you're not paying the mortgage directly I'm assuming you're giving them money for you to live there and putting it towards
04:07:14
Shannonthe mortgage like any other like any other landlord would do um does and what about dates does he pay for dates yeah and I've talked him about it too i' I've
04:07:24
Shannonmentioned you know if you want me to pay a certain amount like for dates and stuff like if money is ever tight like let me know and he says no there are date nights like he wants to provide
04:07:41
Brian Atlasthem um okay doesn't seem very egalitarian what do you mean he's pay he's paying for everything
04:07:50
Shannonpretty much well I pay a portion of the rent so well my own rent how much do you pay as personal but let's say it's uh I
04:08:00
Brian Atlasfeel like it's very affordable do you pay as much for the accommodations that you're receiving do you pay as much as
04:08:08
Brian Atlasyou would get uh as you would pay in the open market for a similar Able Property
04:08:16
Brian Atlasno the perks um okay so dating for 6 months around around 6
04:08:27
Shannonmonths um he pays for mostly everything then um I'll like you know his birthday's coming up so I've gotten him some gifts and I've paid for a couple of
04:08:38
Shannonthe dates like he um when we first started dating I told him about my like weight loss Journey I've been on and that in the first month I lost 20 pounds because did you say I'm sorry did you
04:08:49
Shannonsay your journey it's Journey I'm on it that's the journey okay go ahead go ahead so my first month I did no fast food no take out just
04:08:59
Shannongroceries I lost like 20 lbs so that was pretty sweet thanks people in chat who probably recommended that on the last podcast I was on um so I did it and so I
04:09:11
Shannontold my now boyfriend about it he finished the challenge and so um yeah I I rewarded him how long how long have you guys been living together um
04:09:22
Shannonprobably like 2 months what's the distribution of the household chores uh we kind of take turns uh but I I we both do cooking and cleaning um
04:09:33
Shannonthere is a I think like housekeeper maid who comes like every couple weeks to do like deep cleaning do you do do you do the laundry um I do my own laundry and some
04:09:47
Brian Atlasof his laundry but it's not like on a consistent basis that we're like always doing laundry or so he pays for all the dates you get heavily discounted rent perhaps
04:09:59
Shannonuh but you don't the cooking is 50/50 um or does he he's actually a really good cook and he's really good at baking so he likes to do those things
04:10:12
Shannonand I help him as is like Sue Chef when he cooks and then I'll take on cooking some of the meals who who cleans the dishes whoever Cooks cleans the dishes but it sounds like he does most of the
04:10:21
SPEAKER_14cooking not most Cooks clean dishes yeah crazy when I cook for my friend he like the one I don't like when he cooks I
04:10:31
Brian Atlasonly cook and he cleans everything so it's I have a question so would you do you agree with the following statement
04:10:41
Brian Atlasmen should pay for first AIDS yes okay women should cook and clean sure yes you're should yeah you're fine with that statement that's fine is it a sexist statement that women should cook and
04:10:53
Shannonclean is it the sexist statement I think it depends on the relationship if that's kind of what the expectation is I think that most relationships nowadays people
04:11:04
Shannonkind of take on whatever works with their schedule so if he's out you know working he helps with filming stuff then I'd be on my own to cook but we we kind
04:11:15
Shannonof plan our meals out and figure out who's going to be cooking what which day depending on just like life schedules women should be
04:11:27
Shannonsubmissive it depends on the woman but I mean if you have a man that you can trust to lead sure okay it depends but you wouldn't
04:11:39
Shannonsay the same thing about uh men should pay it depends on the man you would say I think it depends on the man I think some men who some men are like sugar babies but here's the
04:11:49
Brian Atlasthing right so as a woman you can go into a date with the expectation of this guy's going to pay for the date or the the I suppose the
04:12:00
Brian Atlasminimum is we might have to split like you can girls go on dates sometimes the guy splits um there's typically never an expectation that the woman's going to go into date with the expect
04:12:13
Brian Atlasthat she's going to pay for the whole bill as a man it's impossible the best I can hope for is maybe split but I'm going in with the expectation that I'm going to pay for
04:12:25
Brian Atlasthe whole thing I don't think there's any like dating meta that exists where a guy can go into a date expecting the
04:12:33
Brian Atlaswoman to pick up the entire tab yeah if she's a sugar mama okay but yes that happens but it's exception rare most
04:12:44
Brian Atlaswomen are not going to tolerate that kind of uh Arrangement okay wait what's the question then he's saying like generally
04:12:54
SPEAKER_14most men when they walk into a first date they knowingly have the Instinct that I am most likely if not going to have to pay the entire bill I may by
04:13:05
SPEAKER_14chance pay 50% of it but I'm most likely if not expected to pay 100% of that bill the woman on the other hand does not have that pressure she does not have
04:13:15
SPEAKER_14that pressure of anything else she has the pressure of arriving maybe she wants to clean up maybe she does not but that is what he's playing out is just there is a simple expectation of men that of
04:13:26
SPEAKER_14which is not equivalent to that of what is placed onto woman on first States why is that doing why is that being so that's all it is and is there a reason that women have any offering towards
04:13:37
SPEAKER_14that do women offer anything in addition to that of why they 100% should be taken care of on that first date or that of maybe why they should be even just considerably paying only 50% of that
04:13:47
Brian Atlasbill that's the argument why right mhm yeah um well I won't belabor it for too much longer but uh I
04:13:58
Brian AtlasI suppose the and maybe this is hypothetical the question is do non-traditional women deserve traditional treatment or
04:14:10
Shannonchivalry yeah why not I think that if you're going into a first date and you're looking to have a
04:14:21
Shannonwoman's time and attention thank you for the time and attention even if it doesn't lead to a long-term relationship could be paying for the first date because women like we are aware of like
04:14:32
Brian Atlasthat women have more to lose if they go on a first date than a man does well okay we can get into that but you said that the woman's time and attention so is it your position that women ought to be
04:14:58
Shannonpedestalize um you said that women have more to lose when going on a first date what does that mean um a woman could get pregnant
04:15:08
Shannonon a first date if they decide to uh partake in or even if they don't if something happens uh where a woman can't
04:15:17
Shannonconsent there is a risk of that there's a risk of getting um you know kidnapped or trafficked or L be the same for both it's less likely for men no you'd be
04:15:29
SPEAKER_14getting a girl pregnant and you have to deal with it just as much as a woman getting pregnant with that's a good point a good point and to get kidnapped and stuff if you're talking about dating apps it could be a setup you could be
04:15:40
SPEAKER_14getting setup it's I think it's just is likely you know a man for a guy yeah I don't think it's as likely uh just like you know celebrities and stuff they've
04:15:50
Andrew Wilsoncame out and said like you know back okay but but even if I were to grant for a second that this is correct I think that you're right to one small degree
04:16:01
Andrew Wilsonthat maybe the chances of um like SA or things like that uh for women of course are going to be higher than men probably on a date I wouldn't even dispute that that's true however the likelihood of of
04:16:13
Andrew Wilsona woman getting taken advantage of on a first day not nearly as high as that of a man meaning most men are not going to do this the overwhelming majority I'm talking 99 something per are not going to do anything to you on the first date
04:16:25
Andrew Wilsonbut they could definitely get taken advantage of and uh you can hang on hang on let me finish the point then you can respond to it they could easily get uh taken advantage of by let's say oh I don't know a woman who's not really
04:16:38
Andrew Wilsoninterested in them having pay for the entire date pay for their dinner pay for their Night Out pay for their drinks pick them up drop them off the whole thing is on their dime and let's not pretend that women don't do this all the
04:16:50
Andrew Wilsontime I would say that men are running a much higher realistic uh risk than women are the risk of this happening to a woman on the first date is is not very realistic it's extremely rare whereas
04:17:02
Andrew Wilsonfor men this happening to them is extremely common happens non-stop all the time in fact I wouldn't be surprised let me just ask you this and be honest with me have you ever gone out with a
04:17:14
Shannonguy because he paid for the whole thing and you just wanted to have a nice night out no I usually will go on dates with guys because I see potential in a relationship okay well how many women here have have gone out with a guy
04:17:26
Shannonbecause they just wanted to have a nice night out none of you really I think majority of women who have selfesteem and find
04:17:37
Shannonthemselves to be attractive typically are not going and have money Ty typically don't go out with men just for free things okay well let me ask this question a different way how many of you
04:17:50
Andrew Wilsonwomen have gone out with a guy and had a first date with him and then never talked to him again after that or never went back out with him yeah but that's on the guy not the woman I'm sure it is yeah I'm sure that that I'm sure that there was never any type of motivation
04:18:03
Shannonthat you weren't really that into him but you went anyway just because well it was free so two things to say to to this the first thing is if you're very afraid
04:18:14
Shannonas a man to pay on a first date because you think a woman is scamming you you should be vetting the women that you go on dates with yeah you can by asking them to pay for half the date right that
04:18:25
Andrew Wilsonseems like a really easy way to vet it I think you could vet before the date and probably figure out if they're the type of woman yeah you can by asking them if they're willing to pay for 50% of the date if they're willing to pay for 50%
04:18:36
Andrew Wilsonof the date then I think that she's probably not going to scam you but if she's not willing to I think that your risk would you say that your risk drastically as a man goes up of being scammed by a woman for just having a
04:18:48
Andrew Wilsonfree date by the fact that she demands that you pay for the entirety of the date and don't you think it decreases drastically if she's willing to pay for 50% my second point is hang on can you
04:18:59
Shannonanswer to my first point I I am answering the F the first thing I said was that if you're so concerned about a woman scamming you you should be vetting them before you get on
04:19:11
Andrew Wilsonthe first date with them yeah but wouldn't an easy way to do that be to just ask them pay for 50% of the date that's after you guys have already been on the date though why do you why do you need to go on a date in order to ask
04:19:24
Andrew Wilsonthem if they'll pay for 50% of the date up front it just doesn't happen usually but my second Point here yeah but that doesn't answer to the question the question is wouldn't a great way to
04:19:35
Andrew Wilsonmitigate getting scammed by women who just want free dates and free from you be to just ask them to pay 50 % wouldn't that greatly mitigate this risk
04:19:45
Shannonfor men if you are so concerned about the 50% that you're going to have to pay to have a woman out on a date perhaps you can't afford to have a woman maybe well wait that doesn't even follow you
04:19:57
Andrew Wilsoncould have a million dollars in the bank and still ask a woman to pay for 50% of the first date but you wouldn't need to because you have you don't need to but that's not the point so I'm going to ask the question again you this the fourth
04:20:09
Andrew Wilsontime you've avoided it I'm going to ask one more time okay is it it true that a great way to mitigate getting scammed on a date as a man would be to ask a woman to pay for 50% of the date wouldn't that
04:20:22
Shannonbe a great way to mitigate getting scammed by woman sure you can definitely ask but I don't think that a woman who does I didn't ask if you could ask I didn't ask if you could ask wait I
04:20:33
Andrew Wilsondidn't ask if you could ask that I know they can ask that I asked if it would be true that if a woman would be willing to pay for 50% of the date the chance she's just scamming him to go on a free date
04:20:45
Andrew Wilsonwould be drastically lower because after all why would she pay for 50% of the date if she just wanted the free date right but I doesn't that follow I need
04:20:56
Andrew Wilsonwell wait I don't not saying anything else that's tangential to this I want you to say yes or no that would mitigate scamming of of women trying to get free
04:21:07
Andrew Wilsondates yes or no would that mitigated or not mitigated I don't think need you are going to be SC would that mitigate it or not mitigate
04:21:18
Shannonit women aren't scamming going to need that yes or no from you going to need yes going to need no would it mitigated or not mitigated yeah you should definitely ask a woman to pay 50% before
04:21:31
Andrew Wilsoneven meeting her to go on a first date so again I'm going to ask this one more time can you just answer yesterday it would yes yes okay thank you but I don't think the woman's a scammer because doesn't want to go out
04:21:43
Andrew Wilsonwith a guy who wants her to pay 50% of the date yeah I'm not but that nobody said that a woman is a SC you're saying would
04:21:53
Andrew Wilsonit reduce stop stop I didn't say that does not mean the any women are are scamming because they're asking a man to pay for 50% of the date what it does
04:22:05
Andrew Wilsonmean though is that men get scammed for free dates all the time and it would be a great way to mitigate that that doesn't mean that doesn't mean a woman asking for that is scamming them now I never said that I
04:22:18
Andrew Wilsonjust said a great way to mitigate getting scammed would be to ask for 50% right I honestly I don't think it's a good way oh okay well then can you explain to me how your risk of getting
04:22:29
Andrew Wilsonscammed on a date would go up if the woman pays for 50% of it if the woman's paying for 50% of the date you are not you to repeat my
04:22:40
Andrew Wilsonquestion back to me you just answer the question you're notely get me how your chances would go up of getting scammed for free date if a woman pays for 50% of the date can you are you more concerned
04:22:54
Andrew Wilsonabout getting scammed by a woman or finding your future the question why do you avoid questions like the plague just answer the question you don't have to ask me a question just answer the
04:23:04
Andrew Wilsonquestion can you explain to me how your chances of getting scammed would increase on a a first date if a woman paid for 50% of the date can you explain
04:23:16
SPEAKER_05how your CH and well met LOL paladins donated $200 2 cents I have dated a lot more than Andrew and I'm a multi-millionaire a good way of weeding
04:23:27
SPEAKER_05out chicks like this scammer is to take them out to KFC or Twisted te's in the Park yeah but I mean I don't even disagree with that but but hang on don't answer to that don't answer that answer
04:23:37
Andrew Wilsonto my question please can you explain to me how your chances how your chances of getting scammed would increase if a woman paid for 50% of the first date you won't be getting a
04:23:49
Shannonsecond date part no but prior to the date she already agreed to paying the 50% if she already agreed to pay then she doesn't care then she's really curious about going out with learning
04:24:02
Shannonmore about you I guess and wouldn't that decrease your chance of getting scammed on that date for a free date sure but I think women who have high self-esteem for the most part want
04:24:13
Shannonto go out with a guy who's showing them that they are willing to invest in the
04:24:20
Brian Atlasrelationship uh I have a couple things here on that um you uh used to do sex
04:24:28
Brian Atlaswork correct uh of so sex work essentially okay um do you think men with high self-esteem would refuse to go on a date with a sex
04:24:39
Shannonworker even a past sex worker I think so I think it depends on the type of guy and their values some men are fine with it uh others
04:24:49
Brian Atlasaren't just depends on their values okay um so let me read a couple chats here
04:24:59
Brian Atlasbecause uh Ava has to uh leave but we'll kind of jump right back into it we have uh Killa I can't pull it up but kill of Serial said did it ever used to be a trial by death if two people of different religions were sharing
04:25:11
Andrew Wilsoncardinal know of each other like in the way back days or currently trial by death if two people of different religions so he's basically asked if well it wasn't really a trial by death
04:25:24
Brian Atlashe would just some religions just get put to death is that I yeah I don't know uh I mean isn't it the case for these
04:25:35
Andrew Wilsonreligions that even just premarital sex is well for many religions you're not allowed to date outside of that religion or have a relationship outside of that well you're defitely not allowed to marry sometimes you can date outside of
04:25:47
Brian Atlasit but you're not allowed to marry outside of it we have Danny M I'm in my soft guy era I want to be whined and DED on the date why should I have to pay for the date aren't men and women equal now quick answer he admitted he's in his
04:25:59
Shannonsoft guy era and it's giving that yeah but so like why should he have to pay for the date if he's a soft guy and he's looking for a woman to pay on the date that's his right
04:26:14
Brian Atlasbut what but you're saying okay let's say your position is you think well men should pay women should not tolerate men
04:26:23
Brian Atlaswanting to split so why yes we get that men can want it but why should men pay because I think men understand that
04:26:35
Shannonwomen are looking more for a provider type and it kind of shows off the bat that they're willing to provide at least a a little bit of um their Expendable
04:26:46
Brian Atlasincome on them yes so we get that women want men to pay why should men pay because don't men want women but yeah sure but what is the
04:26:59
Andrew Wilsonargument from women as to why men should do it like what's the actual argument she's kind of consistent on this point right so the consistency on this point is just to say
04:27:10
Andrew Wilsonshe believes from her from her Paradigm that women are a prize and that if you want the prize you got to pay for the prize mhm right isn't that basically what you're saying yeah yeah I mean I
04:27:23
Shannonthink women who have high enough self-esteem to see themselves as a prize would conduct themselves accordingly yeah that's consistent but I just I I just want to ask you this since since it is consistent do you think that
04:27:35
Andrew Wilsona man with high self-esteem should see the woman as the prize or should he see himself as the prize they should both want to be king and queen of the castle they should both do kings wait wait I'm
04:27:45
Andrew Wilsonsorry if Kings pay for the queen isn't the queen supposed to serve the king to a certain extent yeah I I'm not so sure that you know what kings and queens do well he pays that's all that
04:27:59
Andrew Wilsonmatters [Laughter] so okay we have I think you got to be consistent here too I think it's consistent to say that you think women are the prize I think that that's consistent to say that men should pay
04:28:11
Andrew Wilsonbecause because you think that women are PR the prize that's totally consistent I can at least understand where where your thought process comes from there that makes sense to me but what man who considers himself to be high value or to
04:28:24
Andrew Wilsonhave high value or to have high self-esteem would ever accepted a million years he's not the prize isn't that what makes him the the guy who's high value and high status I'm the prize
04:28:35
Shannonnot you I think that that's kind of devaluing the woman if a guy has high way you're valuing him no I don't think so because a guy who has high
04:28:47
Shannonself-esteem would want a Woman by his side who he can you know show off that he has got yeah I mean who has that sounds like a
04:28:58
Andrew Wilsonsucker not a high not not a guy who has high self-esteem why would a high self-esteemed guy who thought a lot of them was highly confident go oh you know what I'll just go pay for all your you know you have to do
04:29:09
Andrew Wilsonanything I just want to flex I just want to show you how great I am wouldn't that be the opposite of high self-esteem to do that to have to impress you wouldn't
04:29:18
Shannonthat be low self-esteem no I think a lot of men gain value in monetary things
04:29:25
Shannonbecause they want to be able to have a high status woman I think that's a lot of wait a high status woman that's
04:29:37
Andrew Wilsonthat's really weird wait a second if if you think you're going to get a high status woman you're high status man right you think that the only way to do that is to give her your
04:29:48
Shannonmoney it's not just about the money it's showing that you're willing to invest in the relationship so not only money but time and effort and it takes effort her investment what's her investment back in
04:30:00
Andrew Wilsonthe relationship to a guy who considers himself High status if he so for in other words if I'm if I was a multi-millionaire and you know 10 times more handsome than I am and I wanted
04:30:11
Andrew Wilsonsome chick right I desired her uh and I said okay let's go out and let's have a date and she just saw me as a wallet why why would I ever humor that would I just go right to the next you don't get it
04:30:22
Shannonyou don't get it it's not about seeing someone has a wallet it's about showing that a as a guy you are putting in not only your time but your money and your effort towards getting to know the woman
04:30:35
Andrew Wilsonyeah but usually you get something for that yeah you get like do you not value your relationships with what you're still doing what you're still doing is considering the woman the prize I don't
04:30:46
SPEAKER_05believe that a high status man consider $100 men need to know that if a woman refuses to pay half she may refuse to do other things that matter in future when
04:30:56
SPEAKER_05it comes to Milestone changes in life together an ethical SL supportive type pays half yo kale serial thank you for the TTS Man by the way TTS has been
04:31:07
Andrew Wilsonlowered to 100 uh if you guys want to get your right I don't get it because I would not ever think that a high a very high status man who was very
04:31:17
Andrew Wilsongood-looking who had high self uh confidence would ever see a woman as a prize why would he so do you like not
04:31:27
Andrew Wilsonvalue your relationships with women oh I'm happily married and you what you didn't pay for the first date with your wife we didn't have a date on
04:31:38
Shannonour first date where either of us had to pay we had a picnic okay who brought she I guess she paid then cuz she made the food okay good for her if that's what she wants to do I'm
04:31:50
Andrew Wilsonglad that that's legal what what is yeah I but nobody was disputing the legality of this thing I'm just saying everyone loud loud like I'm
04:32:02
Andrew Wilsonjust saying even if I had taken her out and I had gone on a date with her and I had paid for the date uh each individual situation would be different and would
04:32:12
Andrew Wilsonstill consider myself to be the prize inside of that Paradigm so if I had said to her look uh I want she to pay for half I don't even think she would have
04:32:22
Andrew Wilsonto maybe just the willingness to might be enough maybe you'd still be like I'm still going to pay but just knowing that they would right
04:32:32
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04:32:43
SPEAKER_05True Religion handkerchief shirt sex on first date isic plus size model could more attractive if she loses
04:32:53
Brian Atlasweight thank you Dragon Slayer 304 you want to say anything to Dragon Slayer 34 thank you Dragon Slayer 34 okay thank you appreciate it man uh
04:33:05
Brian Atlasour new hire AA does have to uh leave at the moment do you want to say a parting word I'll see you all again I'm happy to be here though thank you to everyone
04:33:17
Andrew Wilsonwatching you're way too talkative AA you need to dtive I just need to okay yeah it's out of control I just need to be quiet you're right cool
04:33:29
Brian Atlasum I think we might shift the chairs a little bit but uh thank you for coming AA we'll see you next time thank you thank you bye and uh nice to meet you
04:33:39
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04:34:10
Brian Atlasgoing back to your notes here you said uh um
04:34:21
Brian AtlasH I'm trying to think where we left off uh do non-trad so okay we were talking about chori hoes you think men should be
04:34:33
Shannonchorous in all instances even with non-traditional women correct look if that's how they want to treat someone it if they want to have a relationship with someone they should
04:34:45
Shannontreat them with respect kindness and try to go the extra mile if they're really interested in pursuing a relationship okay it doesn't really matter if the woman's traditional or not
04:34:55
Brian Atlasokay but let me ask you a question do you think non-traditional women are right for Desiring traditional treatment from men is that
04:35:07
Shannonfair sure so you're fine with that women can have whatever standards they want to have for their own dating yeah I mean if they're not finding anyone to
04:35:18
Shannonlive up to that standard maybe they need to reassess but I think that initially if a woman decides she doesn't want to go out with a guy who will make her pay 50% she's entitled to have that
04:35:29
Shannonopinion if a guy doesn't if a guy doesn't want to pay the 100% because she's not traditional enough that's his take he doesn't have to pay for her well
04:35:40
Brian AtlasI'm not really interested in having a conversation of should people be allowed to have these preferences for example I
04:35:49
Brian Atlasam allowed to have a preference that I only want to date uh a 20-year-old woman with double D's and a big fat ass and
04:35:59
Brian Atlaswho's a virgin and who's a billionaire arys and I I'm allowed to want that but is it realistic can I get that you can
04:36:08
Brian Atlasyou can change your expectations a bit if you're not finding your dream woman right so but how about this so I'm a uh
04:36:19
Brian AtlasI'm a guy who's slept with a ton of women and I'm uh I've been promiscuous and I'm not saying this is the case I'm just painting a hypothetical here yeah I've been
04:36:30
Brian Atlaspromiscuous and uh I want to date a virgin and I but I don't want to pay for first dates but I want like a a woman
04:36:39
Brian Atlaswho's super submissive who's a virgin who's beautiful who's feminine but I don't want to pay for First Dates I don't want to be traditional but I still want her is that
04:36:52
Shannonlike realistic if you can find it and go for it not the question I don't know if it's super realistic but I think it happens
04:37:03
Shannonand if that's how you want to live your life then you can now is it a good deal for the girl to date me it's up to her to decide but generally speaking I don't think so think you
04:37:14
Brian Atlasdon't think so so then is it a good deal for a traditional man to date and provide and be chivalrous and be traditional with a non-traditional woman is it a good deal for him yes or no if
04:37:27
Brian Atlashe's really interested in I just need a yes or no I guess not okay so then should non-traditional women expect or demand traditional treatment
04:37:42
Brian Atlaslike I said I think Everyone's entitled to have the standards that they have for dating I well then okay then I am entitled or let's say this hypothetical
04:37:53
Brian Atlasman hypothetical man who's promiscuous non-traditional wants to date multiple women at the same time and doesn't want to pay for First Dates doesn't want to do anything traditional uh he wants like
04:38:04
Brian Atlasa traditional virgin submissive feminine woman uh he should he should you know it's okay for him to want that right yeah you can have whatever you want is
04:38:14
Shannonit realistic probably not but at the same time who are we to say you should completely change your ideals on what you want in a partner just because of
04:38:24
SPEAKER_05maybe your past like maybe he's changed Alvin Sam donated $100 why should a woman be called high status when her husband works long hours
04:38:35
SPEAKER_05and demanding jobs so she can have an easier comfortable life you make zero logic I sense ffs uh Alvin Sam good to see you back in
04:38:47
Brian Atlasthe chat man I feel like we haven't seen you too much recently really appreciate your TTS thank you man um why should a women be called high stands when her husband that's a good question um I
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Brian Atlasguess to move things on um I just it's interesting to me like so who what kind of woman do you think is deserving of chivalrous treatment