Plus Size Model ONLY Dates Men Who Make $1,000,000+?! Rachel Wilson CRASHES SHOW! | Dating Talk #189
Date: 2024-08-21
Duration: 7h 16m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_05(audience)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Shannon(guest)
SPEAKER_12Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_13(guest)
SPEAKER_14(guest)
Key Moments
00:02:59
IntroShannon introduces herself: 28yo, LA, self-employed (influencer marketing, petsitting, reselling).
“hello my name is Shannon and my age is 28 I'm originally from Los Angeles California”
00:03:50
IntroLindsay introduces herself: 20yo, Venice, DJ producer, parents support her financially.
“I'm Lindsay I am 20 I live in uh Venice I'm from Manhattan Beach and I'm a DJ producer and my parents give me money”
00:07:47
IntroStar introduces herself: 26yo, Valley LA, TikTok singer/YouTuber, new song 'NPC' out next week.
“my name is star I'm 26 um born and raised in the valley in LA and I'm a Tik tocker singer YouTuber”
00:40:00
QuoteStar describes becoming celibate after paranormal experiences and religious conversion through a 20yo Christian virgin she fell in love with.
“last day to the Virgin that showed me the presence of God while I was having paranormal Supernatural experiences now I'm super spiritual religious after that and celibate waiting for marriage”
00:56:19
QuoteStar reveals her body count is 24, including hosting a sex party at age 14 that got her kicked out of treatment.
“24 how many men how many women mostly women... six men and I regret part of my body count I got kicked out of treatment at 14 cuz I hosted a sex party”
01:11:31
OtherAbby (chair 4, Ventura) leaves the show ~71 minutes in. Had blood drawn earlier and had a panic attack backstage. Brian announces it on camera.
“she had like a full panic attack... she said she got a blood draw today for the first time and then she said this whole experience just kind of freaked her out”
01:53:33
OtherAndrew Wilson joins via video call after his day debate. Video lag issues at start. Greets the panel.
“how you guys doing tonight doing good how the DEA yeah it was a absolute disaster but oh um yeah just a disaster”
02:16:36
QuoteShannon gives herself a 6.5 self-rating, then Andrew Wilson laughs audibly (mic was on).
“I would give myself a realistic 6.5 [Laughter] my God rud Andrew”
06:16:24
ControversyRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) crashes the show and confronts Shannon about wanting men to pay on dates while being childfree and feminist.
“Rachel literally got dragged out of bed for this... I hear my husband is a woman hating misogynist and I'm here”
06:20:00
QuoteRachel Wilson delivers argument: women must choose between traditional treatment (men pay, protect) and equality (split costs, handle own problems).
“you guys have to choose do you want to be strong independent equal women or do you want chivalry and protection and provision you want the best of both”
07:01:00
QuoteStar reveals body count is 24 (6 men); Lindsay's is under 20 mixed, under 10 men; Mia's is 11; Morgan's is 1.
“yeah 24... six men... somewhere with under 20 under 10... 11... Morgan one Uno”
Topics Discussed
00:00:07
Guest introductions
Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status. Panel: Shannon (28, LA), Lindsay (20, Venice), Ayra (20, Hollywood), Abby (27, Ventura via Kansas), Star (26, Valley LA), Mia Huffman (22, OC/LA), Morgan (18, Bay Area), Ava (24, Santa Barbara).
00:09:20
Relationship statuses and dating histories
Each guest shares current relationship status, longest relationship, and recent dating experiences. Star discusses falling in love with 20yo Christian virgin (incompatibility over virginity pledge). Lindsay discusses talking stages and bisexuality. Shannon discusses 6-month relationship via Bumble. Abby leaves early (~71 min, panic attack).
00:33:20
Hookup culture and sexuality
Lindsay and Shannon discuss hookup culture. Lindsay is bisexual, hooks up with both men and women. Star discusses Christian virginity pact and her own celibacy decision. Extended discussion on who Lindsay is casually seeing.
00:50:00
Who should pay on first dates / chivalry
Extended discussion on whether men should pay on first dates. React videos played. Most panel members say men should pay. Brian argues for women paying their own share as fair given modern feminism. Shannon and Lindsay favor men paying. Morgan neutral. Andrew Wilson call-in agrees traditional arrangement requires women to fulfill traditional roles in return.
00:54:00
Feminism and traditional gender roles
Table-wide discussion on whether guests identify as feminists. Shannon is moderate feminist. Star, Morgan, Ava are not feminists. Debate on modern wave feminism vs. equal rights feminism. Discussion of stay-at-home wife role as valid labor.
01:53:33
Andrew Wilson call-in
Andrew Wilson (Daily Wire) calls in via video chat for ~5 hours. Topics include chivalry and feminist hypocrisy, virginity and body count, the bear vs. man debate, traditional gender roles, abortion, misogyny accusations, who should take the bullet for the other, and laundry/chores. Notable moments: Star accuses Andrew of misogyny; Andrew responds with structured arguments. Video lag issues at start.
02:13:20
Self-ratings (1-10 attractiveness)
Prompted by Stiffler (chat donation). Shannon: 6.5. Lindsay: 9-10. Star: declined (cited malicious intent). Mia: 8.5. Ava: 7 (said 6 last appearance). Brian: 5. Andrew: 4.
05:26:40
Bear vs man debate
Standard Whatever segment: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the woods. Panel gives varying percentages on likelihood of man attacking. Brian concludes the women are 'crazy.'
05:38:20
Laundry and domestic tasks
Brian asks if women should do a man's laundry first time visiting his house. Extended comedic segment where Brian admits he expects domestic tasks on first visit. Andrew Wilson agrees with traditional framework. Star and Mia have mixed views. Morgan says no.
06:16:24
Rachel Wilson crashes the show
Rachel Wilson (Andrew's wife, stay-at-home mom) comes downstairs ~376 min. Debates Shannon directly about feminism, childfree choice, men paying on dates, and what women offer in traditional vs egalitarian arrangements. Rachel argues women who want equality should pay their own way. Shannon argues she has intrinsic value as a woman. Heated exchange on traditional vs modern womanhood. Rachel leaves ~401 min.
07:01:00
Body count round
Near end of show. Lindsay: under 20 mixed (under 10 men). Shannon: pleaded fifth. Star: 24 (6 men; mentions sex party at 14). Mia: 11. Morgan: 1.
Transcript
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Shannontell is your name age location and occupation go ahead hello my name is Shannon and my age is
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Shannon28 I'm originally from Los Angeles California and I currently live there now and my occupation is that I'm
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Shannonself-employed I run an influencer marketing agency along with a petsitting business and I resell clothes got it and
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Brian Atlasyou did you used to do adult content uh in the past in the past okay and your agency does it work with is it like an of agency or just content creat uh they
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Shannoncan have an they can be of creators but it's not exclusively no it's for uh brand deals actually okay very cool very
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SPEAKER_14cool welcome welcome what about you I'm Lindsay I am 20 I live in uh Venice I'm
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SPEAKER_14from Manhattan Beach and I'm a DJ producer and my parents give me money so nice what's your what's your allowance
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SPEAKER_14that's the occupation uh they pay my rent plus send me whatever for whatever podcast name are they going to send a TTS in they're
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SPEAKER_14sending paying my gas to get here I'll tell you that um so you're a DJ yes do you uh I'm learning how to mixing things right now but you like air DJ show us a
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SPEAKER_14little air DJing you know how there's like air guitar show us your air DJ scratch you little little this little that you know mess around on the the little controller okay yeah rock and
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SPEAKER_14roll nice yes what about you hi my name is ayra I I am 20 years old I am originally from
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SPEAKER_14LA and Louis so I'm really the real LA right now I live in Hollywood California and my occupation that I am working on is being
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SPEAKER_13a model hopefully a runway model all right welcome what about you hi I'm Abby um I just moved here from Kansas a few months ago and I now live in Ventura
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SPEAKER_13California um did have a job when I came out here now I'm currently seeking employment um yeah and so I'm really
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SPEAKER_13just having fun age um I'm 27 27 you said you had a job but you no longer have a job yeah I came out here and um
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SPEAKER_13the employers were not very nice and so I decided I needed to [Laughter] leave oh so you you were in Kansas and you moved here because of the job or you
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SPEAKER_13going to move what what was the job um you don't have to say the company just what were you doing it was just uh managing I managed a store okay yeah but my roommate also uh she's my best friend
00:06:06
SPEAKER_13from high school and so she already lived in Ventura so I had like a nice like apartment already for me when I got out here so you quit or you got I
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SPEAKER_13quit fire oh I quit yeah okay uh any school yeah um I graduated in 2019 from Kansas
00:06:27
ShannonUniversity KU where were you majoring uh I was a photography major okay sorority I didn't do sorority okay uh any college for you yes I went to
00:06:37
ShannonColumbia College in Chicago shout out to Columbia College alumni if you're watching Shout Out Columbia College alumni uh the two of you that might be
00:06:48
Shannonwatching uh what did you study I studied comedy writing and performance is that that's a major there it is yeah it's very rare
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Shannonmore people have actually been on the show Survivor as contestants then have my
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SPEAKER_14degree wow yeah look at damn that you should put that on your resume I I'm self-employed there you go uh any school
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SPEAKER_14yeah College I did Community College yeah yeah College um I attend University of the West it's a private Buddhist
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SPEAKER_14University private Buddhist yes are you are you Buddhist no okay uh what are you studying there uh I'm studying business administration of accounting okay what
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SPEAKER_14about you no I didn't go to school oh just your whole intro name age occupation location hi my name is I I jumped around there a little bit so I kind of threw you off my name is star
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SPEAKER_14I'm 26 um born and raised in the valley in LA and I'm a Tik tocker YouTuber no silar actually um sorry Tik
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Brian Atlastocker singer YouTuber social media rock and roll and how long have you been singing for um my whole life whole life okay are
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SPEAKER_14you a soprano or I'm an Alto Alto can we uh hear something oh no not right now okay on the spot on the spot okay all right uh you have like a new album
00:08:23
Brian Atlascoming out or anything like that or just a new song coming out next week okay it's called NPC NP NPC okay uh is it about
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SPEAKER_14NPCs kind of okay cool very cool what about you my name is Mia Huffman um I'm 22 I'm from La content creator and student so always from La I'm originally from
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SPEAKER_14Orange County but I just say la because that's where I live now gotcha gotcha Morgan hi I'm Morgan I'm 18 I go to Santa Barber City College majoring in political science
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SPEAKER_14and I'm from the Bay Area all right hi I'm Ava I'm 24 um born and raised in
00:09:05
SPEAKER_14Santa Barbara and I graduated from UCSB this year what was your major
00:09:15
Brian Atlas[Music] sociology I know okay uh cool cool so we're going to go the table once more what is everybody's current relationship
00:09:26
Brian Atlasstatus so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polyle sex cult Harum whatever it may be uh if you're single how long have you been single and
00:09:36
Shannonwhat's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you I'm taken I am in a committed relationship all right how long have you guys been dating
00:09:47
Shannonwe've been dating almost 6 months okay longest relationship about a year and a half two
00:09:55
Brian Atlasyears okay I'll just say two years and how did you meet this current uh person off of bumble bumble okay what so
00:10:08
Brian Atlason Bumble the at least I'm assuming when you met anyways the woman has to send the first uh message what was your opening line so the woman I don't it's complicated on Bumble
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Shannonbecause I think that guys can message first based off something on your profile M so I don't remember messaging first I don't remember something about
00:10:30
Shannonit being Easter but we're both Jewish so but he was still doing something for Easter something like that oh yeah I haven't been on that in two years or
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Brian Atlassomething so maybe they changed it but it was right before they kind of got loky cancelled yeah they changed it recently now they just opened it up anybody can message anybody basically
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Brian Atlasbut apparently it was it was too much of a burden for the women to message first send the first message so they had to change it they had to change it that's
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Brian Atlaswhat they reported it was too much of a it was too hard too difficult for the ladies to send the first message so I have sent a first message before but I I
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Brian Atlasusually don't probably why they change that I guess um so you guys met on the on Bumble been dating for six six months very cool what about you I'm in the
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SPEAKER_14talking stage with like a few people okay um my last actual relationship was maybe like broke up like 8 months ago nine I don't remember so you've been
00:11:39
SPEAKER_14I've been single for a minute yeah and how long was the one that ended 9 months ago like a year-ish and is that your longest relationship no I dated someone when I was like super young like 14 for
00:11:51
SPEAKER_14like 4 years on and off does that count panel no it was like four years though high school count it was a lot of count it was a lot of cheating and this and that so I but it was like four years so
00:12:04
SPEAKER_14I was like I guess how many times did you cheat it was 12 it started actually well he cheated first oh okay so so me cheating second doesn't really count as me cheating how many times did he cheat
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Brian Atlason you first just once a couple times uncountable uncountable uncountable so like how many times did you cheat
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SPEAKER_14back it was so nonchalant that I don't remember you know it like it's so I I don't know oh okay like a few times like a few times like nothing
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Brian Atlascrazy I was like 14 you know I was in like people are like cheating on each other at 14 damn that's crazy it was a really bad relationship besides that so you said it was uh that was the longest
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Brian Atlasone you said the fouryear one but on and off how many times was it uh on and off like four or five okay and how long would those he went to treatment he went went to the Wilderness therapy
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SPEAKER_14Wilderness therapy yeah so it was like a year break go where did you go where did I go I I wasn't gone during that time I went to rehab later
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SPEAKER_14on wait how old were you when you went to rehab 14 the first the first time what the first how many times have you been to rehab twice no no three four
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SPEAKER_14time three times I well I went to an intake for a fourth one but I didn't end up going I got out of it like I I I told I'm like I don't do I'm
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SPEAKER_14like I didn't do anything like wrong and uh it was school the school told me I had to no my school so it wasn't on my record huh okay and so um it was off off
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SPEAKER_14and on for four years how long were the who oh who would end it it would it would be me but it would also be like I hate you and like the
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SPEAKER_14text the calls but the I didn't know I didn't know he was going to treatment the first time it was just like a week later I was I was like oh he's in he's in Wilderness and then I got a call a
00:14:08
SPEAKER_14year later like I got a call a year later when he was leaving he's like I'm at the airport I'm calling you on a pay phone H oh my God crazy um and then when
00:14:21
SPEAKER_14you guys were trying to get like back together who would initiate that you him I wanted drugs so I'd go back to him damn that's crazy like he had like drug he was like friends with like all these
00:14:31
SPEAKER_14like you know crazy like Compton people just like comp like Hood like like um gang members so so I was like I
00:14:43
Brian Atlaswant drugs excuse me okay yeah no no it's um so you said you're currently in a couple
00:14:54
SPEAKER_14talking stages yeah like talking is a little too far but like you know like the like hit you up type of relationships what what do you mean by the hit you up type
00:15:07
SPEAKER_14relationship no like the U up relationships it's like 1:00 a.m. I'm not doing anything oh the U up excuse me okay yes uh who sends the U up message you or the guys or both me you do it
00:15:18
Brian Atlasit's girls and guys oh you date both okay you're so you're by yes okay I suppose I should add orientation for you
00:15:25
Shannonthen um I'm I would say queer but but mostly just like bisexual pan or I don't
00:15:34
Brian Atlasreally take on panexual um are you bu or pan P by by sorry no I didn't I didn't no no I I didn't mean that either I was just I didn't mean it like that make the you got your tongue tied and I was
00:15:46
Brian Atlasof course that's why copying the tongue tie okay um canceled uh so I can I'm done uh uh multiple how many so how many girls right now are in the picture for you
00:16:06
Brian Atlasthree mhm people are watching this so what oh is it more than three or what is it more than three no I just don't want them to know that there's three oh yeah nobody watches the show they're they're
00:16:19
Brian Atlasprobably you're prob well that's how I met Lucy on hinge though and she said she's watching to oh okay um so and then how many guys
00:16:30
SPEAKER_14none really there's one guy that um me and my friend were hooking up with and I met him from like a three like this guy like this girl she's like oh I'm friends with this porn star and then we had him
00:16:41
SPEAKER_14over like just like to hang out basically sure he ended up like moving in with me and my roommate for a bit he's at my house right now [Music]
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SPEAKER_14but he does porn he like oh what yeah he's a porn star and he moved in so he moved in with us and he was like hooking up with me and my friend whatever like
00:17:02
Brian Atlasthreesome no no no no separate your friend lives your friend lives with you yeah so this guy is living rentree with you and both of the housemates
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SPEAKER_14he he like good deal he yells at our scary neighbor but now we're like super close friends to the point we're not I'm my neighbor threat because my neighbor threatened us and he's like the protector cuz we live in we live in Venice but there's always like hom and
00:17:25
SPEAKER_14stuff Venice is kind of and I have like a tendency to move people in I'm to move by myself and I already have my ex moving in with me I'm complicated sorry I'm taking up a lot of time oh no it's
00:17:37
Brian Atlasit's all good we we give people as much time as necessary uh so um so porn star moves in with you he's hooking up with you and your
00:17:47
SPEAKER_14housemate separately yes okay and then so he's the only guy you're sort of dealing with right now yeah but we're like he's like one of my best friends and then you has an apartment
00:17:59
Brian Atlasnow I see but he's staying with me because I like him there yeah and you guys have uh you're dating three women I'm not yeah well you're hooking up with three right so four currently um what's
00:18:11
Brian Atlasthe biggest your your hypothetically are these like side pieces or hypthetically yeah in the video game h Huh video
00:18:21
Brian Atlasgame like it's like streamer streamer lingo like you're not actually doing it it's in a video game okay like you want to like hurt somebody in a video
00:18:32
Brian Atlasgame sure you know I don't know what that means but yes probably you said it it's correct you say either uh wait so and the three girls you're seeing do you consider them are they side
00:18:44
Brian Atlashoses there's no m is there is there a main there's no M ho there's no main ho I like some of them but it's a secret who they're watching is it Lucy no I
00:18:56
Brian Atlasmaybe what you don't like Lucy's watch watching right now how how you going throw her under you just said no how you going throw Lucy under the butt Lucy you need to apologize to Lucy right now into
00:19:05
Brian Atlasthis camera no we're dating yeah exactly um so what's the bigest what is the biggest the roster ever
00:19:17
SPEAKER_14pin the roster gets big but the actual hanging out off dating apps is small does that make sense no no one else relates got what so got it does that mean like you'll hook
00:19:30
SPEAKER_14up infrequently no like we never actually met up cuz I just like got I get it I get overwhelmed like the ADHD kicks in but so like right now you have four on the roster three four are you not
00:19:43
SPEAKER_14counting the guy not really no but you guys are hooking up right not as often we hang out we skateboard well we yeah we when's the last time you guys hooked up two weeks ago 3 weeks ago we're not
00:19:55
SPEAKER_14like we're not like that you know it's like a friend it's literally a friends with benefit thing like we'll kiss and stff but that's it when's the last time you guys
00:20:04
SPEAKER_14kissed like 3 days ago oh okay uh what's the biggest The rosters ever been then four three but the actual hanging
00:20:16
SPEAKER_14out my body Count's not that big oh I wasn't asking that but no I mean you can if you want what is it no I mean like if the roster was nine like my body count didn't go up nine if that makes sense oh
00:20:27
SPEAKER_14I'm like a oneand done too type of person wait like we met at a club or this or that wait you're when you you like a one night stand one and done like a one
00:20:39
SPEAKER_14night stand yeah yeah no I know but you said that if your roster is this much it doesn't increase your body count but you because I didn't because I didn't like follow through like the like
00:20:51
SPEAKER_14the Instagram DMS are popping but like the actual like execution is not there okay that's fair yes exactly
00:21:00
Brian Atlasokay uh so you mentioned that you mostly do one and DS like one night stands yeah I'll kick people out if it's weird though too I had to kick someone yeah
00:21:12
Brian Atlasany yeah is it mostly like girls that you're hooking up with or yeah like which do you prefer guys or girls girls okay guys are just for fun
00:21:24
SPEAKER_14and girls are for what for fun I guess too but like I just get bored you I get bored she funny I get bored I get bored you get bored mhm what does that mean
00:21:35
SPEAKER_14cuz I'm like just like sitting around I'm like guys are so easy you get wait uh you get bored in like I get I just get bored I'll be like oh I kind of want to hook up with the guy oh I see cuz guys are so easy like
00:21:48
SPEAKER_14they'll like they're like oh I'll be there in 10 minutes like girls they're like oh let me get my makeup on and all this yeah damn it's true hm
00:21:59
Brian Atlasinteresting and so H so I'm just Pro there's a lot of information coming at me I'm trying to
00:22:09
Brian Atlasprocess uh so okay mostly so wait you said guys are just for fun like bored fun like I'm bored like but they're rare they're rare I'll put it that way but like for long-term serious relationship
00:22:23
Brian Atlasit would have to I I don't think I date a guy as of right now as of right now I wouldn't date a guy if that makes sense like no feelings okay yeah we can definitely jump into more of that later
00:22:31
SPEAKER_14on in the show what about you right now I am currently single I wish I had a boyfriend that would be so
00:22:41
SPEAKER_14great and um yeah okay longest relationship two to three years how long have you been single about two
00:22:52
Brian Atlasyears now last time you were on the show you said that you were involved sort of involved with this guy you want to get back with him but you kind of don't and it's kind
00:23:03
SPEAKER_14of toxic uh have you been in contact with him since the last time you were on the show no I haven't I've actually been
00:23:12
SPEAKER_14doing really good I think nothing okay nothing nothing question mark none of that but I think that since his birthday
00:23:23
SPEAKER_14is coming up I've been like really trying not to like I have to try hard to keep my self to myself interesting okay
00:23:35
Brian Atlasuh so you said you've been are you on dating apps at all no they're scary you said you've been single for 2 years but uh when is the last time you did see the toxic X well I don't know if he's the
00:23:46
Brian Atlastoxic one but yeah he when's the last time you saw the toxic relationship that is mostly 99% your fault but just kidding okay okay just kidding but seriously that was yeah it was
00:23:58
SPEAKER_14now I think it's been two months two months so in that time period have there been any guys in the picture um recently an old guy tried to
00:24:09
SPEAKER_14come back into my life like he's old as in his age or like old as in you old as in like I dated him a while ago I actually met him on
00:24:20
SPEAKER_14BLK what what's that it's a black dating app yeah you on that Desmond oh do you think I would do good on there can I join am I allowed to join
00:24:32
SPEAKER_14yeah low key I seen a couple people who wasn't black and I was like okay you know I'm saying but yeah it's like the plus- siiz one where like anyone can join like looking for
00:24:43
SPEAKER_14like somebody plus siiz okay they're just trying to promote black love like so that we could kind of feel like we can find someone that's the same race as
00:24:53
Brian Atlasus but we still have the option for other people would it be offensive if if what why did you say yeah before I even
00:25:03
Brian Atlasfinish you just know what I'm gonna say um so would it be wrong like to consider myself
00:25:13
Brian AtlasAfrican-American no let me let me explain hold on let me explain so my dad was born in North Africa and my mom was
00:25:22
Brian Atlasborn in America so if my dad was born in Africa and my mom was born in America technically I'm African-American I agree right I agree I
00:25:32
Austinage explain that guess yeah you're not black though of course yeah you can say but I can say can can I say I'm
00:25:41
SPEAKER_14africanamerican mhm yeah if that's the case I'm 3% African okay I don't want to tell you yes and then you go somewhere and then like go where would I go start
00:25:53
SPEAKER_14like AR don't you speak French was it a frankophone country possibly so then yeah I think you can say that you're African you're he was he was born in Africa my dad was born in Africa yeah you can say it okay anyways
00:26:07
SPEAKER_13uh so what about you relationship status um I'm single I've been single for four years now all right longest relationship year and a
00:26:19
SPEAKER_13half all right was that the one that ended four years ago no the one that lasted a year and a half was in college and then the one that happened during Co that lasted like 8 months gotcha uh so
00:26:32
SPEAKER_13in the 4-year period have you been dating at all um I've tried and then um I get into situationships and I didn't like see them coming I'm like no I don't
00:26:43
SPEAKER_13want that and then it just ends up being a situationship so what does that look like um it looks like all the benefits of a relationship with none
00:26:54
SPEAKER_13of the like commitment or actual like lab mhm so like guys will like they would like make me dinner or something and I'd be like oh they really want to date me
00:27:05
SPEAKER_13like they're doing like being proactive and like planning things and then uh they just be like oh like I don't know if I'm really ready to like take this anywhere they just wanted to like keep
00:27:16
SPEAKER_13it very surface level and I never see it coming mhm okay and when's your most recent uh situationship um that was like a month
00:27:27
SPEAKER_13ago but that ended very quickly so when did you move to California again uh 3 months ago okay so you've been dating somewhat in like I guess I can't even say it was dating it was like two dates
00:27:39
SPEAKER_13and then I got and then I was like never mind did you meet on the dating app no we met in person I prefer to meet in person I deleted all my dating apps where did you guys meet uh we met at a
00:27:49
Brian Atlasbar okay gotcha is a bar I I wonder if like meeting at a bar is it better than a dating app
00:27:58
SPEAKER_13or is it about the same I prefer in person because I'm mostly like it needs to be like I need to be like physically attracted to you and then I need to like
00:28:09
SPEAKER_13really kind of like know your your Vibe um off the bat I feel like every time I look through photos and um I just really
00:28:19
SPEAKER_13like I I'll X more than I ever like like so in person it's just a lot easier okay and so you're not on dating apps no I'm not
00:28:31
SPEAKER_13on any any guys currently in the picture right now no nothing no I'm honestly just going dormant at the moment like I'm looking for love and then I'm like looking for it in just really odd ways
00:28:43
SPEAKER_13and then um yeah I'm going on like dating shows or stuff like that but I'm honestly just like wanting to meet someone in person
00:28:53
SPEAKER_13you said you were on Jubilee yeah I recently did a the topic or whatever it hasn't come out yet um it was two best friends um swiping on 50 women and so like they swipe for each
00:29:06
Brian Atlasother and then it was like manyi speed dates got it okay uh so single for four years situationships longest relationship 1.5
00:29:15
Brian Atlasyears um any differences when it comes to dating here in California versus in Kansas or about the same um I honestly
00:29:24
SPEAKER_13left Kansas um and I lived in um Kansas City for a while and I left I'd been there for like years and hadn't found anyone and it's really hard to meet
00:29:35
SPEAKER_13someone um I don't know who actually wants a relationship there and I kind of I'm feeling like I moved here and it's the same so it's okay
00:29:45
Brian Atlasthough is uh Kansas the South or is that no it's the Midwest Midwest yeah that's okay I don't know geography is not my
00:29:54
SPEAKER_14strong suit what about you I'm single all right single how long you been single for um technically a year over a
00:30:04
SPEAKER_14year MH but I did fall in love a month ago a month ago or two months yeah
00:30:12
Brian Atlaslongest relationship um four years three and a half oh sorry okay and you said you fell in love a month ago what happened there well we didn't make it
00:30:24
SPEAKER_14out the talking stage but we fell in love um he was a virgin and he was a super Christian and very sweet and but he wanted to marry a virgin cuz he made
00:30:37
SPEAKER_14that PCT with him when he was a kid so he couldn't get past that cuz he made The Pact with who oh with himself that he would stay a virgin and marry a virgin and um I'm not a virgin so we
00:30:49
SPEAKER_14love each other but I respect that that's what he wants to marry wait so how long were you guys I guess talking or dating um like a month but we were friends for
00:31:01
SPEAKER_14a month and then we were talking for a month and fell in love oh you were friends first yeah I see okay but I
00:31:11
Brian Atlasmean like romantic love or like a friendship love romantic but no sex but I mean this whole virgin thing Tim sounds like it was a pretty big deal
00:31:23
SPEAKER_14right yeah he couldn't get past it like he wanted to but he was like I I I just really he was also 20 so maybe it was like kind of an age thing that may he'll get over it took some
00:31:34
Brian Atlasmil I'm kidding uh so you're 26 he was 20 yeah um uh of the guys you're interested in do you T do you like young guys or this
00:31:46
SPEAKER_14kind of more of a fluke situation um I used to like older guys or guys my age but recently they've been like 21 20 and I don't know why but that's just what's been coming my way and I'm like okay
00:31:59
Brian Atlasokay there you go that's the vibe now there you go so uh he wanted I'm just confused why if he was so set on this whole virgin thing it seems like he kind
00:32:10
SPEAKER_14of perhaps LED you on a little bit a little bit like unintentionally he's like confused like it was like it was
00:32:20
SPEAKER_14complicated um but it was meant to happen he got me closer to God so you said he's Christian mhm do you know what uh denomination he is
00:32:31
Brian AtlasProtestant just normal Catholic Okay Christian okay um were you upset when he told you he's like I'm in love with you
00:32:41
Brian Atlasand then well you loved him too and he's like yeah but you're not a virgin sorry sorry like was is that upsetting to hear no because he didn't want to say it like
00:32:53
SPEAKER_14it was he was like crying saying it cuz he didn't want to hurt my feelings he's like I don't want to like but I'm like just say it like just be honest like it's not going to hurtt my feeling I just want you to be honest so that was just coming from his heart and I was
00:33:03
SPEAKER_14like sad but he said it in such a gentle way that I knew it was just authentically how he felt did you try to get him to have sex with you like when
00:33:13
SPEAKER_14you guys were talking oh no I wouldn't you didn't try yeah I was just curious no um he was crying yeah like we were crying like it
00:33:24
Brian Atlaswas really sad who who started crying first I think think he did and then he so he started crying and then you started crying yeah how what was the
00:33:33
SPEAKER_14period of time you guys were both crying at the same time we we like it was like 12 hours in a car of us crying and making out and getting dinner and going
00:33:44
SPEAKER_14to a like a beautiful like scenery like we couldn't leave each other so we were like crying kissing and then it's just
00:33:52
Brian Atlaslike oh it has to end it was a whole thing is he gay am I wrong for asking that but like a
00:34:03
SPEAKER_1412-hour talking cry session sounds very feminine there's not hey if he's gay that's totally cool I just feel like that guy on The Bachelor that
00:34:13
Brian Atlasdidn't have sex the football player he's not he's definitely not gay he's just he's an emotional is that out of pocket I don't know if that's out of pocket but I'm not it's not bad if he's gay it's
00:34:25
SPEAKER_14not bad if he's gay I'm just asking like I think he could be could be he could be gay no maybe no he had a lot of emotional intelligence
00:34:35
SPEAKER_14for a young guy like you I like I like guys like that he's not gay did he know that you weren't a virgin before you guys were friends or while you guys were
00:34:47
SPEAKER_14friends yeah so then why did he engage in a relationship with you romantically if he knew that you weren't a virgin um because he said he was trying to get past it but he couldn't and I I
00:34:57
SPEAKER_14think that might have to do with his age like maybe it is like a maturity thing that you can't get past I've had sex before I don't know he was a complicated
00:35:08
SPEAKER_14person I'm curious was was it he's allowed to kiss you did you ever say that oh yeah we would kiss you allowed to kiss okay I'm not familiar with Christianity like you're allowed to kiss
00:35:18
SPEAKER_14you just can't have sex well it wasn't even his faith it was the fact that he made it as a commitment himself cuz of
00:35:26
Shannonhis faith yeah oh cuz that's yeah why I I kind of get it because I have an ex
00:35:34
Shannonwho um I don't think had ever slept with anyone uh before me and it was a big deal to him that I wasn't a virgin as
00:35:44
Shannonwell oh really well he was I mean not after we had started dating but after words he felt like it was he I feel like he thought he was too
00:35:55
Shannoninexperienced oh okay yeah but he was a virgin when I met him oh okay yeah he cried for hours no but I get the
00:36:08
Shannoncrying I get the being upset because he's like upset that I I feel like the reason is cuz like he wishes that maybe you weren't a ver or he wishes that you were a virgin
00:36:19
Shannonbut you weren't and he's like conflicted about his religious beliefs but he like yeah if they're claiming they love each other they love each other so if he's like in love with star he's got a lot of
00:36:30
SPEAKER_14conflicting emotions with his faith and and things like that so I get it yeah and he doesn't date to date he dates to Mary so he's like if I were to date to date I I would love to date you but I just know like marriage Wise It's not
00:36:43
SPEAKER_14what I'm looking for and I think that's that's actually really responsible to cut it off there instead of going in it and being like Oh wait we're not going to get married probably you know I don't
00:36:55
SPEAKER_14know I don't were you guys the same Faith well he got me he got me closer to God I was like all right and then we had like a spiritual like whole
00:37:07
Brian Atlasthing I'm not laughing at you I just feel like the pendulum I don't know if the pendulum needs to swing back and I'm going to probably get accused of toxic
00:37:17
Brian Atlasmasculinity but we need to teach men to like you got to stifle that first off I wouldn't be incl yeah you got to push that you got to
00:37:28
Brian Atlaskeep that bottled in so like 10 years down the road you have a massive aneurysm that's what being a man is on the brink of aneurism I like masculinity there you go as somebody
00:37:40
SPEAKER_14who's by stifle that as somebody who's by I if I want a guy they have to be a guy otherwise I'd go with a girl there was this one guy he was like a girl I want a
00:37:51
SPEAKER_14guy I'm look that's does that make sense sense bro I like masculinity like open the door for me bro you can't he opened the door no I'm saying I don't want the
00:38:03
SPEAKER_14crying I don't want the crying I bet someone cry I don't I'm not dising the crying I just think it's strange that like you knew he knew for a month who you were as a like you didn't meet that criteria he engaged with you for another
00:38:16
SPEAKER_14month in addition to the Friendship knowing that maybe he's developing feelings from the Friendship developed that for a further month as a romantic thing you guys continued with kissing and then he's against The Virginity issue it's just strange it's just like
00:38:29
SPEAKER_14you already knew this why did you engage you knew that both feelings were going to get involved it's just weird and she said he's dating to Mary and he's dating it's like you you purposefully knew that you weren't going to marry this person and you wasted not wasted obviously the
00:38:43
SPEAKER_14love and everything I don't doubt that you guys fell in love but it's just kind of like you knew the checklist was not going to get checked off so why did he do it not not your fault just he knew that no blame on it's kind it's kind of
00:38:53
SPEAKER_14a Westside Story yeah I mean I know why like I understand it's because he was trying to get past it but couldn't so he just had these conflicting feelings and
00:39:05
SPEAKER_14was like oh I can't and it's it's a little immature but I respect if that's how he feels okay we'll come back to that in
00:39:15
SPEAKER_14just a bit Mia will get your relationship status I'm single all right how long you been single for I've been single since January I did a long-term
00:39:26
SPEAKER_14relationship so 8 months 9 months8 nine months yeah all right uh longest relationship that was 3 years was that the one that ended 8 months ago yeah
00:39:36
SPEAKER_14that was the longest and yeah so wait weren't you on the show in like late 2023 no I think I was on the show right after the breakup well no you've
00:39:47
Brian Atlasbeen no you were on the show in 2023 was I I'm pretty sure I think I think we communicated but you said you were single we might have broken up at that
00:39:57
SPEAKER_14guys find find the the CP find the clip I mean we did was she actually in the whatever um I think we probably were on a breakup by that point okay uh and then
00:40:08
Brian Atlaswe've heard it from these two before uh so going back to your thing uh star you said in your pre-show notes last day to the Virgin that showed me the presence of God while I was having paranormal SLS
00:40:19
Brian AtlasSupernatural experiences now I'm super spiritual religious after that and celibate waiting for marriage
00:40:29
SPEAKER_14yeah and so uh you were having a paranormal supernal experience what was that well I
00:40:38
SPEAKER_14moved into this um very beautiful house but it's just really old and I was having Paranormal Activity there and
00:40:48
SPEAKER_14like it was really scary um but yeah so he would come over and we would like pray away the
00:40:58
SPEAKER_14demons and uh wait I'm sorry it was like a haunted house it's okay house yeah I moved into like a Creator house and it's like old like French European and like I was having
00:41:11
SPEAKER_14paranormal activity no keep going you're fine and um and yeah like that night that him and I were together we were having like my monitor was going off super loud and he
00:41:23
SPEAKER_14was like praying away the demons but also like praying the Holy Spirit into me and I felt God's presence for the first time ever and it just felt like like happiness and love and just like
00:41:34
SPEAKER_14I've never felt that before and then the like the parano activity stopped and I got delivered by a pastor too delivered
00:41:44
SPEAKER_14yeah what does that mean so I had like from all my trauma and a lot of negative stuff in my life I had like bad spirits in me I just believe everything's
00:41:53
SPEAKER_14spiritual so he like rebuked the spirit of Jezebel like like the lust Spirit the anger and then been a lot happier was it an exorcism kind of you you went through
00:42:05
SPEAKER_14an exorcism Deliverance wait you were exercised not like in the movies but like yes I had like fasting and prayer
00:42:15
SPEAKER_14and I feel so much better and was the guy there the crying for 12 hours guy um he was only there when he was like praying the spirits away and praying like God's presence to me which I felt
00:42:28
Brian Atlasbut he wasn't there for the deliverance and sorry wait the Deliverance is the after the exorcism is that the is that another
00:42:37
Brian Atlastermism okay oh okay huh yeah interesting um and then now you said after that you're now spiritual
00:42:47
Brian Atlasreligious are you Christian oh yeah okay what denomination or I don't know what that is do you go to do you go to a church or yeah like a Christian Church church what do you know the denomination
00:42:59
SPEAKER_14of the church no do you know what it's like when it says Church whatever Saint or not saint that it says does it say Evangelical Protestant Presbyterian I
00:43:10
Brian Atlasthink it's just normal Christian it's called Evergreen it's in Venice area okay I don't know uh you said that and now though you're now celibate
00:43:21
SPEAKER_14SL waiting for marriage yeah okay and you going you think you're going to hold firm hold steadfast I yeah when I get engaged that'll be
00:43:32
SPEAKER_14hard but um when you get engaged yeah like when I get engaged I'll probably want to have sex with the person I'm going to marry but till then I don't want to have sex there's just so much that comes with it like you can get STDs
00:43:45
Brian Atlasyou can get pregnant true it's a lot of suffering super true okay um and
00:43:53
Brian Atlasuh I going back to the whole like 12 hours in the car talking crying thing uh ladies would that
00:44:03
Brian Atlasbe would that make you more or less attracted to a guy if he started like you've only known you knew him for a month right two months two months like
00:44:13
Brian Atlastwo months is two months too soon for a guy to start crying a little bit little little soon
00:44:23
Shannonmhm I guy cry I'd appreciate that they can show their emotions but for 12 hours it's a long day that's long that's a lot for someone you know for 2 months it
00:44:34
SPEAKER_14wasn't crying for 12 hours it's half a day I've cried but by myself I'll go in the car and cry like I'm not showing you that I care otherwise like you see that
00:44:44
SPEAKER_14I care I'm like it's not it's not mature it's just like I don't want to come off as that like I don't want you telling anyone I cried I think if it's like the 12 hours of processing together for a
00:44:55
Shannonrelationship that's going to be moving forward I think that's good that like you're putting the time and effort into communicating that much and being that open but if he knew at like hour one
00:45:06
SPEAKER_14like we're done for good but I'm still going to continue on for the next like day then that's where it's like what are you doing was was it like you guys the meeting was we are going to end this
00:45:19
SPEAKER_14that was his plan or was it like we hung out we went on a date 6 hours in then he finds out and he's like or he figures it out at that moment he's like you know what it's really is like weighing in on me like I can't do it and that's when
00:45:29
SPEAKER_14like the other six hours came on um we had a week break and he was like thinking about it and we're like thinking about it of how to go about it and that meeting his intention was to
00:45:39
SPEAKER_14end it okay so he came into meeting to end it yeah but I was coming in to just fight not you didn't want to end it I
00:45:49
Brian Atlasdidn't know what his decision was so if uh so if he change if he had a change up and he was like uh I'm actually want to
00:45:59
SPEAKER_14date you would you date him um no I wouldn't why because I've come to realization throughout this experience that I'm not going to date till I'm who
00:46:11
SPEAKER_14I want to be in life who do you want to be in life uh just like where I want to be in my career and mentally and everything I see I feel like I'll track the right
00:46:23
Brian Atlasperson how did he ask you if you were a virgin or not he didn't I just like was open about stuff well let's assume when you are ready to be in a relationship he comes back into the picture would you
00:46:37
SPEAKER_14date him then if he seems like he like is mature and I've seen his growth and yeah oh is he not mature no he wants to like be at
00:46:47
Brian Atlasa better place too I see we realized that if he came around H I don't know if this parses now that you've FR well answered the question that we have but assuming you
00:47:01
Brian Atlaswere ready to like date somebody if he came around and he's like yeah that whole waiting till married celibacy thing I'm actually just throwing that out the window are you DTF would you would you smash no you wouldn't respect
00:47:14
Brian AtlasI would not okay that's fine I was just curious cuz maybe he has like a he changes up or something um by the way I wasn't trying to like I
00:47:24
Brian Atlasmean I don't I wasn't trying to like Bully the guy over the crying but uh I don't think it's a I don't think
00:47:34
Brian Atlasit's like a great idea to be crying in front of people you know what I mean I think it's so
00:47:46
SPEAKER_14attractive you you were more attractive to him when he started crying yeah I don't know that wasn't the first time he did it I think honestly honestly wait
00:47:56
Brian Atlasthat wasn't the first I I honestly think when at least when it comes to men the only time you should cry is when you have a loss or like some sort of you
00:48:06
Brian Atlaseither have like maybe catastrophic health problem family member catastrophic health problem somebody dies loss of an a like a loved a well-loved pet like a
00:48:21
Brian Atlasdog I I can't I don't think you can cry like if you'd been talking to a girl for two months I'm sorry stifle that indulge in the toxic
00:48:33
Brian Atlasmasculinity be toxic be toxic masculinity don't cry I don't know I don't know man anyways uh we need
00:48:42
Brian Atlaswe have some reacts we have to get to so oh could you grab that for me uh so Nick could you pull up our first react is thank
00:48:52
Brian Atlasyou uh yes I think I think yeah uh nope not not this one next
00:49:11
SPEAKER_02tab all right make it bigger okay go ahead man I think the toxic masculinity is so destructive for a culture cheers to that right I wish all men were feminists like you so refreshing right
00:49:23
SPEAKER_02here's that check for you sir how dare you assume it because I'm a man man that I'm going to be paying for this whole dinner women are fully capable of paying for themselves oh I'm I'm sorry do you want me to split the bill between you two then actually why don't we do this so we can really drive this point home for you because you're giving me very
00:49:36
SPEAKER_02misogynistic Vibes leave the entire Bill and she will pay for the entire thing because she is a strong independent woman who does not need a man to provide as a feminist woman wouldn't you agree with that yeah yeah I guess in that case
00:49:47
SPEAKER_02uh here's the check ma'am uh I'm sorry okay cancelled I cannot believe how toxic that guy was right so toxic oh my God this is expensive oh you got it give me a p are you going to help me
00:50:00
SPEAKER_02absolutely not as a feminist man I don't want to imply that you can't defend yourself just cuz you're a woman are you serious right now this is capable of Defending yourself as a man all right this I'm dating a conservative and
00:50:11
Brian Atlasthat's why as a feminist man uh okay so going around the table your reaction to that goad that's funny mhm that's it that's yeah it was funny
00:50:22
Brian Atlaslike it's real um so then I I guess uh well I'll go around the table and I'll ask some more follow-up questions absolutely no to what all no to what no no to all of it all of it all of it if a
00:50:34
SPEAKER_14guy's not like I'm going to take you to lunch I don't want it like I said I if I'm going out with a guy I want him to be a full I like conservative men mhm If
00:50:44
SPEAKER_14he if he's not pay I like I like that I like an assertive like confident guy that like can prove himself cuz if I want to marry a guy I want him I want to
00:50:53
SPEAKER_14be a housewife type type thing the video honestly I think he played her cuz he knew he didn't have no money so he was
00:51:05
SPEAKER_14like all right this is how you get him like reverse psychology I feel like he did not really feel like that he just wanted to like flip the script to show her how it would feel if he were yeah N
00:51:18
SPEAKER_14I don't like that I don't know I don't know you okay and you react okay oh I know that girl she's my friend oh you know
00:51:29
SPEAKER_14her her name is Ariel oh nice okay oh the video um I don't know I didn't think it was that funny but I like guys that are providers but also
00:51:40
SPEAKER_14care about women mhm I like a guy that cares about woman but also definitely a provider I think it's kind of funny like meeting men that are like oh I'm feminist and like kind of do that and I have met men that do that and they make
00:51:52
SPEAKER_14those jokes and it's like oh well you can pay for it and it's like you clearly like you're just with it like you're just using that as like a to play with it to like I'm going to like amp that up okay I'm a feminist so she can
00:52:05
SPEAKER_14afford it I'm a feminist but like you make money like it's not funny especially when you're dating okay Morgan any reaction I don't know I wouldn't want want a guy like
00:52:17
SPEAKER_14that but also I think he's kind of like showing the other side I guess like showing flipping the script AA I agree with Morgan all right uh so then then
00:52:27
Brian Atlaskind of related to that who do you think should pay on a first date men or women I think that men should pay on a first state
00:52:37
Brian Atlasmhm that's just how I feel sure um wait hold on how do I want to frame this uh okay yeah yeah who should pay's what what's the framing who should pay
00:52:50
SPEAKER_14disregard that who should pay I feel like I know what you're going to ask just answer the question okay men okay um either men or the person who asked
00:53:00
SPEAKER_14because I'm not asking nobody on a date if I don't have money to take you on a date so okay what about you I second that well so just one point of clarification um I know sometimes
00:53:12
Brian Atlasthere'll be a tendency to agree with somebody before you uh says but just State your own opinion just you can even just state it go ahead oh
00:53:24
SPEAKER_14um I mean I offer to pay but they don't let me I think they should though okay I prefer men to pay I'll offer on
00:53:35
SPEAKER_14occasion but asking out Etc like men what about you uh I would say men but I would split if they would ask I guess
00:53:46
SPEAKER_14okay um men but I'm also in a relationship and we switch off and I'm fine doing that sure um by the way guys I forgot to mention this Andrew Wilson's
00:53:58
Brian Atlasgoing to be doing a call-in uh a little bit later on the show I forgot to mention that during the intro I'm not sure exactly when he's going to be doing the Callin but maybe an hour or two something like that uh so going around
00:54:09
Shannonthe table once more um are you a feminist starting with you I would say that yes I am a feminist
00:54:19
Shannonbecause I want women to have the same like opportunities and be equal to men I think that some of the classic like
00:54:30
Shannonmodern feminist tropes have taken it a bit too far and um I don't agree with certain things in regards to feminism
00:54:42
Shannonthat I think a lot of modern day feminists do um I guess I would consider myself to be more
00:54:50
Shannonoldfashioned uh thinking I used to be more liberal uh and leftist when I was in Chicago and I still hold on to a lot of those beliefs but I think I've become
00:55:02
SPEAKER_13more like in the middle and and moderate when it comes to you are you serious yeah I don't feel very good you don't
00:55:10
SPEAKER_13feel good no I'm like hot and overheating I'm actually like sick I'm feel like sick you're feeling sick because of the heat yeah and the lights
00:55:23
Brian Atlasand like the just sitting down aren't you an act no I don't feel very good I don't want to like the conversation about who pays is what pushed you over the edge no I'm