Diagnosed Psychopath?! Doomsday Desiree DESTROYED By Based Grace & Shina?! | Dating Talk #186
Date: 2024-08-12
Duration: 7h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Sheena(guest)
SPEAKER_03Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_04Allison(guest)
SPEAKER_05Riley(guest)
SPEAKER_06Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)(guest)
SPEAKER_13Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:04:17
IntroShirley JW introduces herself as 33yo LA-based journalist/host with hip-hop background.
“My name is Shirley JW. I'm 33 years old. I'm based in Los Angeles. I'm a journalist on-camera host.”
00:05:02
IntroDesiree Noel (returning) introduces herself as 38yo Southern California single mom.
“My name is Desiree Noel. I am 38, from Southern California.”
00:06:05
IntroVic introduces herself as 23yo East Coast TikToker diagnosed with ASPD/psychopathy.
“I'm Vic. I'm 23 and I'm a content creator on TikTok. I was diagnosed with ASPD.”
00:16:07
IntroRiley introduces herself as 31yo LA recording artist doing witchy dark R&B.
“Hi, my name is Riley. I'm 31 and I'm a recording artist.”
00:19:30
IntroSheena (returning) introduces herself as 50yo entrepreneur, former Israeli actress.
“I'm Sheena. I'm 50 and I'm an entrepreneur. I was an actress for 20 years in Israel.”
00:19:54
IntroJennifer introduces herself as 26yo originally from El Salvador, Lyft driver.
“My name is Jennifer. I'm 26, almost 27. I'm coming from Thousand Oaks, originally from El Salvador.”
00:20:22
IntroAllison introduces herself as 30yo evangelist from Wisconsin/Texas.
“My name is Allison. I am 30. I am an evangelist and I work for a tech company.”
00:20:33
IntroGrace introduces herself as 19yo UCSB math student.
“My name is Grace. I'm 19. I'm a student at UCSB. I'm originally from Southern California. I'm studying math.”
00:24:13
QuoteVic describes her ASPD as feeling like a video game — clicking yes to every risky prompt with no fear.
“It's kind of like a video game... a prompt comes up and tells you if you continue this could happen... and I always click yes.”
01:21:36
QuoteRiley shares that her brother is clinically schizophrenic, shot up a gas station, and she fought for his sentence to be reduced — emotional personal disclosure.
“My brother is clinically schizophrenic... he shot up a gas station... we fought tooth and nail to get him his sentence lowered.”
01:42:36
QuoteDesiree claims to have six active friends-with-benefits simultaneously, prompting strong reaction from Sheena.
“I have six guys that I have sex with.”
01:46:30
QuoteSheena tells Desiree that without her vagina she is nothing, prompting outrage from panel.
“Without your vagina you're nothing. Without your vagina you're empty. Your mind is empty.”
01:59:55
QuoteSheena says she believes people have demons and spirits; calls Desiree demon-possessed.
“I do believe that people have demons and spirits. And I think you are demon possessed.”
02:02:07
ControversyAllison calls Grace "Jezebel Antichrist" and shouts at her during demon-possession vs. mental illness debate. Escalates to full panel argument.
“You are definitely a demon. Jezebel Antichrist.”
02:13:56
ControversySheena confronts Desiree and Grace during the sex work debate, accusing them of being mentally ill and empty.
“You girls speak like you're intelligent with nice words but deep down you're super empty.”
04:30:00
ControversySheena repeatedly calls Desiree "dumb" and "crazy" over disputed military claims (Desiree's fast-track to combat surgeon story).
“You are dumb. You are dumb and crazy. That's why you're on this show — you're the entertainment.”
04:48:00
OtherShirley and Riley leave the show mid-way (~4:47) to be replaced by Morgan and Maddie in the second panel.
“Shirley and Riley thank the audience and depart.”
Topics Discussed
00:04:17
Guest Introductions
All 8 first-panel guests introduce themselves. Vic (ASPD/psychopath TikToker) receives extended discussion on her diagnosis, symptoms, and risky behaviors.
00:06:05
Vic's ASPD / Psychopathy Discussion
Extended exploration of Vic's ASPD diagnosis — diagnostic criteria, lack of fear response, manipulation, impulsivity, risky behaviors during pandemic (drugs, homelessness, near-death). Chat and other guests push back.
01:20:00
OnlyFans and Sex Work Debate
Debate between Grace/Allison (critical of sex work's societal impact) and Desiree/Riley (defend personal autonomy). Sheena adds older-generation perspective. Very heated.
01:34:51
Prostitution as Oldest Profession Debate
Discussion on prostitution, marriage-as-transaction, bride prices in Africa, cattle exchange.
01:49:20
Relationship Status Round
Brian asks each guest about current relationship status, time single, longest relationship. Desiree: seeing someone casually. Sheena: seeing someone (3-month rule). Riley: single 1 year (4-yr prior longest). Vic: single 2 years (6-month longest). Shirley: single (no guys). Jennifer: "single but never alone." Allison: single (several months). Grace: single 3 months (2-yr longest).
02:00:53
OnlyFans Platform Experience (Shirley)
Shirley shares she was onboarded by OnlyFans as a journalism/media personality, expecting to teach journalism. Found it was the opposite of what was advertised. Describes accidental exposure to sexual content.
02:02:07
Mental Illness vs. Demon Possession
Allison and Sheena argue mental illness = demon possession. Grace pushes back with schizophrenia/psychosis examples. Riley shares personal experience with schizophrenic brother. Allison yells "Jezebel Antichrist" at Grace; escalates to shouting match.
02:08:00
Racial Preferences in Dating
Grace discusses never dating Asian men (relates to difficult upbringing with traditional Asian parents, healing Asian identity trauma). Shirley teases her dating history (Persian, white rebound, Black ex).
02:19:56
Self-Defense and Men Hitting Women
Prompted by Shirley's viral Jesse Lee Peterson clip on the topic. Around-the-table answers on whether men can strike women in self-defense.
02:31:59
Self-Ratings Round
Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 on looks (can't pick 7). Shirley: 5. Desiree: 4.5. Vic: 5. Riley: 8. Sheena: 6. Grace: 6. Allison not captured clearly. Desiree explains she rated lower because Sheena rated herself 5 and she considers herself Sheena's "slave" so can't rate higher.
03:15:00
Race and Representation Discussion
Riley raises systemic racism in casting of TV shows. Sheena (as Israeli immigrant) counters with observations on US race dynamics vs Israel.
04:30:00
Military Claims / Stolen Valor Controversy
Desiree claims she enlisted in the Army (2009) and was told she could fast-track to combat surgeon. Multiple military viewers send TTS messages disputing this. Brian reads them. Desiree eventually says she got pregnant and received a discharge before basic training.
04:30:00
Desiree Military Claims Challenged
Sheena calls Desiree a liar re: fast-tracking to combat surgeon. Multiple military viewers send TTS calling it stolen valor. Brian reads messages live.
04:45:00
Age Gap Relationships Debate
Second panel joins. Vic argues age-gap relationships are "worthy of judgment." Discussion on power dynamics and maturity.
06:10:00
Roast Section
Closing roast segment. Audience TTS messages roast each guest. Brian reads them. Desiree is primary target; Grace receives mostly positive comments.
Transcript
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04:44:34
Sheenadon't have any mental capacity Under Pressure so don't me please I hate to Brak it to you but your type wouldn't it don't need to break me anything literally would make in the military you are dumb you are dumb
04:44:46
Brian Atlasyou're not goodl looking you're stupid hey hey be nice be nice hold on hold on hold on wait hold on hold on okay so really quick so okay desire if
04:44:58
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)there's any people in the military watching she says that they were going to Fast Track her to combat surgeon CIA because I was entering as a college
04:45:09
Brian Atlasgraduate I had multiple people after you said that who are in the military reach out to me this was in 2009 I don't know what the they're doing they said it that's like impossible it's not impossible
04:45:21
Sheenasome you want to see how I how I get her as a liar why she's lying because in the Army okay the first thing they do they give you all these IQ test a lot of like psychological test somebody who had a
04:45:32
Sheenalot of body count obviously cannot restra restra restrain their impulse and in the Army as an agent like you say whatever CI ever you say you cannot restrain yourself because you cannot control yourself not sexually not
04:45:45
Sheenamentally so how they going to took you to take you to a a high level uh uh job in the army with what you can laugh all you want you can maybe tell the same story for 20 years so people believe you're lie because when you tell a lie
04:45:56
Sheenafor so long it's become the truth and you the only one that believe that I literally the military IDE you are dumb sweetie you are dumb and crazy that's why you in this show because you're dumb you are the entertainment of this show
04:46:08
Brian Atlaswake up okay so anybody in the the military I mean you can DM me I I don't know if anybody can DM me tell me what the the whole uh situation is uh but
04:46:19
Brian Atlasapparently PE multiple people dm'd me after that and said it's basically what's that word uh when you're like claiming military Sten Stolen Valor sort of cuz they're saying like that's not
04:46:31
Sheenapossible you're not going to Fast Track to becoming a combat surgeon I'm going to try to find it you cannot go in Def he's current active
04:46:41
Brian Atlasduty USAF she's lying I even worked in commissioning officers um so Shirley and Riley unfortunately have to leave but unless you want to stay a little bit
04:46:53
Brian Atlasyou're welcome to stay we get back that's well we'll get you back on the show some other time shley it was pleasure having you you do like the uh
04:47:03
Rileycan you do the Lion King like hold up yeah oh my go you ready
04:47:14
TTS/Nick (production)guys and girls please warn the men you know not to get vasectomies it's actually a scam that destroys their health with a few years doctors won't warn
04:47:26
Brian Atlasthem TR okay Douglas F uh thank you for the TTS man appreciate it appreciate it dude uh well yeah surely thank you unless there's anything I don't know if there's
04:47:38
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)anything else we can with you follow us on Instagram follow us on Instagram you guys were dope thank you guys for coming um nice love you you'll take the you'll
04:47:47
Sheenatake this we finished the what no just at officially Riley with two e love you after after you're leaving I want to say something before I leave because I
04:47:59
Sheenahave to live soon well no you stay you got to stay so can I say something yeah go ahead I just want to say that I'm so proud and happy for my mentor Bruce cardina that he's bodyguard of the
04:48:11
SheenaKardashian I love him he's mentoring me and because of him I come a long way and I love you Bruce you're the best Mentor ever thank you dope all right chle thank for coming
04:48:22
Brian AtlasRiley thank you for coming we're gonna have Madison and Morgan go ahead is man she she Tak the worst times
04:48:31
Morganto okay I hate when that happens uh yeah you guys can just uh bye guys thank you bye bye thank you for those tweet I
04:48:41
Brian Atlas[Music] want uh we're going to get Morgan and Madison to take the seats
04:48:49
Brian Atlashere did not hurt you all right thanks for coming guys thank you for coming all right we have Morgan joining the fry
04:48:59
Brian Atlaswelcome Morgan Morgan so beautiful Morgan Morgan why don't you introduce yourself self for the viewers I'm Morgan I'm 18
04:49:11
Morganand I go to Santa Barbara City College majoring in political science wow good times good times okay and [Music]
04:49:21
Brian Atlasthen Maddie coming Maddy's coming she'll do her thing let's see um oh going to you Vic you had a I don't know if you had I couldn't really tell from the Tik
04:49:33
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)Tok you've got your Tik Tok right so do you have an issue with age Gap relationships or I yeah I do think age Gap relationships are pretty sus um
04:49:45
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)obviously I don't think that people you should be able to police age Gap relationships Beyond obviously like child adult relationships but I I think
04:49:54
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)that they're worthy of judgment they're worthy of judgment totally yeah what do you mean what does that mean relationships where there's like a large
04:50:06
TTS/Nick (production)understand what is worthy of judgment mean oh like that sorry jimy donated $100 it's confirmed the psycho has a dumpy Brian I how you can sit there and
04:50:17
TTS/Nick (production)let the crazy it flirt with you to try to trick you into putting a baby into her it's their whole M Run for the hill son I already have three kids no babies no babies Brian knows how to pull out
04:50:30
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)he's 35 for God's sakes and I have a copper IUD go copper iuds oh okay thank you to like this uh yeah I women's livs right
04:50:43
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)we now have non hormonal birth control oh I love Andrew okay uh so go ahead with the age Gap argument what I was explaining what judgment meant or
04:50:55
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)whatever worthy of judgment yeah worthy of judgment um cuz I I think it's very suspect and and it's telling um of a person's mental state or like character
04:51:05
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)when they participate in um a larg age Gap relationship especially with a much younger person so wait just before we get into the age Gap stuff just cuz we brought up the whole like FASTT track to
04:51:16
Brian Atlascombat surgeon thing I'm going to read a couple messages I received uh we have a m these are all military guys the blonde chick is
04:51:25
Brian Atlaswait she she can FASTT track to officer joining with a college degree however FASTT tracking to surgeon is crazy that's the delusional part she needs they could they could have been lying I will say that people did tell me
04:51:39
Brian Atlasthat maybe they were just telling me that her medal degree in surgeon license basically passing the surgeon Bo so I was going to be a medic first okay cool and this is so he this is the guy he
04:51:50
Brian Atlassaid he served four years as a medic in the military we have another one she's full of I went in for six years so I got automatically E4 no degree just a dumb high school kid women do not serve
04:52:01
Brian Atlasas combat Medics by the way and we're not allowed into that role until and were not allowed into that role until 2016 well yeah this was back in 2009 right but he said it wasn't allowed okay
04:52:14
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)okay well again it's possible that they were lying to me and I did have several people like they didn't lie to you you li to they were saying that the recruiters get paid obviously and that they might have been telling me certain
04:52:25
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)things so that I would you actually were you in the military so I enlisted and I swore in and the whole thing but back then there was a weight period between when you would enlist and sign in like I
04:52:36
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)literally did the swear in no they made us they were making us wait for months before we were getting shipped out this was when the economy crashed so there was tons of people trying to get in the military cuz you told yourself this
04:52:46
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)story for so many years whatever did you go to basic so I got pregnant and I couldn't go to basic I had to get a I had to get discharge okay I have another thing we actually
04:52:57
Brian Atlasbelieve hold on hold on uh he also says I'm a 12-year Army vet she's a liar the Army will never FastTrack you to be a comp quote combat surgeon number one she is not even a surgeon the Army doesn't
04:53:09
Brian Atlastrain surgeons anyway you have to go to school Army will either for that or you were already a doctor they were telling me that's what they were telling me they were going to do on she can go to OCS
04:53:20
Brian Atlasofficer candidate school with a degree but going in as an E4 no Fast Track no I scored a 95 on the ASVAB is that what it's called Uh ASVAB uh almost perfect and there's no FastTrack just different
04:53:32
Brian Atlasjobs that are open to you as it different guy as a USMC veteran I can show what a veteran hold on uh never made it through MEPS MEPS She
04:53:44
Brian Atlascarries around a ID that grants her no respect or recognition as a USM USMC United States Marine Corps veteran I can show what a veteran ID looks like and what it looks like on regular driver driver's license as a
04:53:56
Brian Atlasveteran Isabella says you can join as an officer if you have a bachelor degree but what she's saying is not true she's been in four years not true uh
04:54:09
Brian Atlasokay can I respond hold on one sec I'm just trying to read some of these other ones uh okay sorry guys
04:54:20
Brian Atlasshocked uh he this guy billam this oh this is billam the Mars he's in the uh I'm in the Marine Corps Stolen Valor scumbag you can't enlist as an E4 an E4 is not an officer rank it's an enlisted
04:54:32
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)non-commissioned officer rank saying is I I denied officer ranking to enter as an E4 because I did not feel I had earned officer status before I had done
04:54:41
Brian Atlasmy time so I purposely said no I won't be an officer and then last one from uh Austin I just got the Marine Corps as an E5 Sergeant recruiter there's no possible way she would enter as an E4
04:54:53
Brian Atlasand be fast-tracked to officer there's programs you have to go through to go from enlisted to officer you can Google Army enlisted to officer a combat surgeon is mandated to be an officer with a specialized
04:55:04
Sheenadegree okay I want to ask you a question you okay do you really think some sorry do you really think that somebody with
04:55:12
Sheenathat short of a temperament can even be considered on a high level uh uh Army position somebody who who cannot wrap their thoughts together or control their
04:55:25
Sheenaimpulse by going and taking care of people you know I don't know army people army people are are very specific you know with their mentality with how they think with how they act with how they
04:55:37
Sheenareact especially and you calling yourself a genius because I think I feel sorry for you but I think you told this story to yourself for so many years you lied to yourself and probably said to every guy that you met and being proud
04:55:49
Sheenaon this fictionary story so you're just saying it naturally cuz really you believe in it because you're delusional and now you sit here and he's telling the crowd from the Army to actually give facts and I'm telling you stuff and you
04:56:01
Sheenasitting there still pretending and believing this lie you know and I feel really really sorry for you because you don't have any leverage or any high level it's just like People Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and they're miserable
04:56:12
Sheenaon on millionaire who actually climb the ladder you like a person with no qualification no Talent no brain no nothing and you tell this fictionary story try to represent it to everybody
04:56:23
Sheenayou know and you have the audacity to come here on a very popular podcast telling this lie and literally think we're dead dumb to believe this it's
04:56:32
Sheenacrazy you can yawn all you want but you just make yourself look stupid liar dumb delusional I don't know how you live with yourself
04:56:42
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)no how how do you live with yourself how why same way that everybody else does I sleep eight hours a day you know I eat
04:56:52
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)my veggies I take my vitamins I it's not it's not going to help me not vitamins psychc help pills talk to my friends all right anyways back to the
04:57:03
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)age Gap conversation so do you want to continue making your arguments um I don't know if there's like specific question I mean I already made my argument I just I don't I think you think it's worthy of judgment I
04:57:15
Brian Atlasthink it's worthy of judgment for sure okay so like what to you constitutes an age Gap like with 30 30 and 20 I'm assuming that an age Gap I think um Warren
04:57:26
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)judgment yeah I think that so what about like 3025 um no that's fine I mean that's like okay
04:57:34
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)3525 um suspect yeah suspect why in what way is it suspect I mean you know I think the older the older you get um the more responsibility
04:57:46
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)you have like of yourself but um young adults like in in their early mid 20s are are still aging and learning um and so you know they're going through a very
04:57:56
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)transformative period in their lives and people that are in their 30s are you know past this period in their lives and it's very weird for them to find you
04:58:07
Brian Atlasknow so much common ground with these early early mids well before I I offer my point of view on this we'll just get the whole panel's thoughts here uh age
04:58:17
Brian AtlasGap relationships do you object do you not care what are your thoughts on age Gap relationships I do not care okay I'm looking at the stage of life more than
04:58:29
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)the particular age so I just think it's weird when one person is like barely starting out in life creating like their construct of the world and then you have a person who's like already very well
04:58:40
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)established like has done all the things that seems weird to me whereas like maybe you have a late bloomer and like an early starter and the the age Gap might be big but like they're basically in the same phase of life I don't really
04:58:52
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)see a problem with that I you see what I'm saying because maturity and thought process and stuff is not just a function of age it's also a function of life experience which is going to be variable person to
04:59:04
Brian Atlasperson H stage of life that's an interesting one so would you um Desiree would you date some would you date somebody younger than you
04:59:16
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)I typically don't but if they have accomplished more than me in like most areas of life then I would because it could be somebody that I could look up to so when it comes to stage of life and this isn't totally related this isn't
04:59:28
Brian Atlastotally related to age Gap stuff but like for example should average women be allowed to date men with status
04:59:40
Brian Atlasfor example I think most women here at this table if a guy who was a professional athlete gave you attention you'd probably date him I don't assuming you know you thought he was attractive
04:59:52
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)you liked him whatever I see what you're saying yeah but it's a totally different stage of Life he's got a ton of money right I don't think that that's healthy because I usually think the one person's like a leech I think the people
05:00:03
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)need to be on the equal level so women are leeches if if if that's the case like if she's like clout chasing or she's only with him because of his status there's plenty of basic there's
05:00:13
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)plenty of basic nobody women who want to celebrities I think they they're not they're not stage of life but I'm right so I'm saying that people
05:00:24
Brian Atlasshould be in the same phase of life I agree that's why women who aren't funny shouldn't have as one of their requisites for dating a he shouldn't be funny exact if you're not a funny woman
05:00:35
Brian Atlasdat a funny guy every single woman every single woman want to date a funny guy that's not true every single girl I like I like a funny guy I never say that I
05:00:46
Brian Atlasnever say that almost every single woman says I like funny men are they funny they're in a different stage of their comedic development that is true it is they're
05:00:57
Brian Atlasnot like I didn't get sarcasm for the longest time I'm barely starting so okay okay let me go around the table get everybody STS here okay it's a completely uh completely ter MD you're just you're part of the team Fu whatever
05:01:11
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)I mean if you want to weigh in I thought you wanted me to just be quiet oh if you want to weigh in you can but uh I don't really care but I probably wouldn't do it for myself sure yeah I don't really care I just don't think that I would do it for myself either but I do think that
05:01:22
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)sometimes like seeing an age gap of like 15 years I guess I'm just kind of giving does it give you the ick is it creepy is it's like is it
05:01:34
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)gross it's like if I saw a 15-year-old with like a well hold on we're talking I guess I guess 18y old 18y old sure yeah we're talking about yes adult adult relationships here so an 18-year-old
05:01:46
Morganyeah if I saw an 18-year- old with like a 35y old 40y old I don't know I feel like personally I don't think I don't know I just don't I don't think it's right on my end okay but if like the
05:01:59
Sheenaother person would want to do that then you know like that's all like for them okay well I don't think it's right or wrong but I do state the facts that because I'm from the Middle East majority of men there prefer younger
05:02:12
Sheenawomen a lot of women in America they a they're pervert they just won't want young women but usually in the Middle East in a lot of places in the world when women hit puberty they get married I'm not saying it's right and I'm not
05:02:24
Sheenasaying it's wrong you know I'm for me personally I don't like dating younger guys I like dating guys my age but the world is super diverse everybody in America think America is the center and
05:02:36
Sheenawhat they do here it's normal but I can tell you firsthand younger woman in majority of the world this is what guys want and a lot of the guys when they marri the woman and she come to a certain age they change her for a better
05:02:49
Sheenamodel that looks exactly like her unfortunately a lot of women don't want to accept that because they want to think oh it doesn't matter my age but age does matter to to a lot of men I
05:03:00
Sheenaactually don't think it's men that are opting out for a newer model no not here saying in the middle no but in the Middle East they do I've seen a lot least but no I'm saying in the other
05:03:12
Brian Atlasside of the world you know your thoughts yeah I don't care about H just for me I like them older okay what do you so you prefer to date older man yes okay what's the
05:03:22
Brian Atlasoldest you've dated um 39 okay and well how old were you 24 24 so that's 15 15
05:03:32
Brian Atlas16 yeah 15 yeah and um but you don't you don't think it's weird from the guys part to want to date somebody younger you're you don't think it's weird whatever I don't think it's weird but in
05:03:44
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)my opinion in my experience but then I definitely seen other type of like people all other relation relationships where the girls are having like you know
05:03:55
Allisonthose D issues the that's when I think it's yeah that's when I think it's definitely wrong like okay um I think if they're old enough to be your parent I think that's kind of
05:04:07
Allisonlike the Gap but I think a few years is fine you know 5 six seven years but anything kind of over 10 is Icky wait so you mentioned um like
05:04:19
Allisonwhat's the thing of if it's the same age as your what if they could be old enough to be your parent technically like they could like they could be your mom or dad the age women don't mind it if it's a celebrity I don't so well that that's
05:04:32
Sheenajust me I wouldn't date a guy that old as my dad Society is hypocrite cuz you could see young gorgeous girl dating you know like a famous celebrity right I'm not attracted to that I think me too but a lot of women say no I don't date older
05:04:43
Brian Atlasman but if he's multi-millionaire and famous they would do it because it's hypocrite but I don't get this whole like it reminds me of it's like dating
05:04:53
Brian Atlasyour father for the guy it's like dating the woman the same age as your daughter um high level men let's put it like that really high level men would never date younger women wa high level men would
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Sheenadate younger women yes they would you see new money yes okay let me explain in America a lot of men have new money so they date young girl but if you go for example to
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SheenaSwitzerland or Monaco or Russia a lot of men won date officially I'm not saying behind the scenes officially they would never marry or date a younger woman because they would be embarrassed behind the scenes yes a lot of women have
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Sheenayounger lovers well I don't know about the high status dating in Switzerland but um it's not just in Switzerland it's majority of the world high level old money generational money they want date a younger woman it would be embarrassed
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Brian Atlasfor them I don't know about old money dating either but um I but I just don't get this whole like daughter like father thing because it's like couldn't you just say the same like
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Brian Atlaswould you want to see your father dating your your a girl the size of your age so it's like similar age relationships are objectionable or sick because it's like
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Sheenayou're dating your brother no no it's he's the same age you want to see your father wait do you want to see your father in some girl that could be in your sister age how would you feel if your father my father's happily married
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Sheenano but I'm just saying your father was not my dad was engaged to a 26 if your dad was not married right and he was let's say God forbidden separated and you wanted to date a girl that is in your sister age would you feel
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Sheenacomfortable with that so 30 I don't have actually any objections I would i' actually be like good for you dude I S no I would not want my father
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Sheenatoday but you know you cannot judge because life you know some people do it some people don't we cannot control it I mean I think when the age Gap gets big like big enough you do have to start
05:06:52
Brian Atlasthinking about the motivations not so much of the man the reasons reason course because it's like a 20-year-old dating a 30-year-old it's not immediately clear if it's like she's
05:07:04
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)with him for the money but look at shar's boyfriend if it's a 30-year-old with an 80-year-old yeah that's weird like come on you're like in your sexual prime and you're really going to like shack up with this
05:07:15
Allisonguy come on I always am like what the I se what I said before definitely person hang on Des I okay I don't think
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Allisonmy dad's going to watch this but um my dad when I was 24 he slept with a 22-year-old and it made me feel some type of way yeah I don't know why I had the I had the same experience but it
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Allisonjust I was like Dad that's disgusting she's younger than me I'm your daughter like was like going to BR bring paren at College like what the is this I don't know what you're saying it made you feel a certain way I guess but um in
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)that way I mean I'm just saying it's just a creepy Vibe because then you start thinking oh God what is the man thinking about me you know it's just a weird mind trip I personally think it's
05:08:01
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)weird if you're like over the if you're under the age of 25 dating someone like 10 years older that when the woman in a 30 it's different but she's right I yeah
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)I don't I think anyone under the age of like 25 should date someone within their range if they're like in their like 30s dating someone that's older that's fine cuz they have their life together full frontal definitely full yeah their full
05:08:26
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)frontal lob is developed at that point but I don't think like let's say like someone my age being like a 40-year-old oh well I mean so but can I hear an actual argument for why it's wrong I
05:08:37
Brian Atlastell you why it's wrong like I get that it makes you you feel it's gross but like can I hear an actual argument like how or why it's wrong energetically what listen to me energetically your energy
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Sheenayour energy when you're in your 20s and your 30s and your 40s it's completely different thing other people like a young wait let me explain 35y old today men listen today men in their 50s and
05:09:02
Sheena60s they want to sleep with younger women they have to take Viagra or or all these you know pills a lot of them when they get older they have to take pills in order and younger girls wait and younger girls want to have more sex so
05:09:14
Sheenain the beginning they get excited but when they get a little bit more older everything's changes she wants to go out she want to you know she feel like she already raised the kid she want to do things and he's already becoming really old between you and me for a woman it
05:09:27
Brian Atlassuck young women they don't understand it to get married with an older guy for a woman it's suck for the men it's perfect talk about like 50 60 year olds so here we'll just use me as the guinea pig I'm 35 I'm 35
05:09:39
Brian Atlaswhat would actually be wrong like make actual arguments besides it's gross and I let's say 20 let's say 20 it's not wrong if you want to have sex with what is your reason for being interested in a 20-year-old what like what's your
05:09:51
Brian Atlasreasoning the truth young a young vagina that's what they want young vagina and just to be clear like I would date I would date a woman from 18 to 40 he doesn't care cuz he like but what
05:10:03
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)maybe I give a 50-year-old what what would be the reason to be interested in somebody that's that young rest what would be she's attractive she's cool okay I don't think 20 is crazy though I think so
05:10:16
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)like but you said you would date somebody from 18 to 40 so you you can you can think 40 Ys are also attractive and cool right sure there's probably
05:10:25
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)older I think when I was 32 33 I dated like a 45-year-old so that's valid um but if you're if you're dating somebody that's specifically talking if you're
05:10:37
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)dating somebody that's 20 years old so it's not like I'm exclusively yeah no dating that's that's fine because I think a lot of men get into like the rhetoric of oh like I want to date a
05:10:48
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)young girl because she's in her prime oh you know and I think that that's like a stupid argument to make but if you're making the argument that you would date somebody with such a wide age range then
05:10:58
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)that's fine um but I think that like what like what do you have in common first of all um within your life
05:11:10
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)whoa within your life um with your maturity level with your interests um with life experience what do you have in common with somebody who's 18 well let me ask you this do you think having
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)things in common is a high priority I think I think that it is a priority when you're when you're dating people that are in um formative like years of their life I think it's very
05:11:35
Brian Atlasimportant having things in common to can I ask you a question so like like the the person in your life who's a male
05:11:45
Brian Atlaswho you've had the most in common with did you end up dating him no same well so it's clear to me then that commonality is not an import is not the
05:11:56
Brian Atlasultimate or even the penultimate or even the tertiary or even the 10th most important thing but what do you commonality is irrelevant it's not commonality attracted to them compatibility but like why are why are
05:12:09
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)you attracted to somebody that that is so infantilized to you well in in comp that word again infantilize in comparison to you infant because an
05:12:21
Brian Atlas18 an 18-year-old you're talking about a 20-year-old infant 20 since when have I'm an infant compared to you mentally no since when have I'm 23 I'm mucher
05:12:30
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)since when have infants been 20year olds I said infant Look up the definition of infant infant babies we can't say anything anymore they literally can't
05:12:42
Brian Atlashandle one wrong word or they're going to die I guess so infantilizing treat someone as a child or in a way which denies their maturity in age or
05:12:52
Brian Atlasexperience right so in doesn't mean they are child be the opposite compar child wouldn't it be the opposite of infantilizing for me as a or any man
05:13:04
Brian Atlaswho's in his 30s to view a woman in in their 20s as Worthy of a relationship that's a valid point but no it would be the opposite here's the
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)you're not you're not azing them they are infant and compares to you that wasn't the state the statement I didn't make was that youing I said I said they are infant in
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TTS/Nick (production)comparison to you because they are much younger than the not the same I just read the but you're using the definition inct donated $100 what can a 35-year-old man have in
05:13:39
TTS/Nick (production)common with a 30-year-old woman that he can't also have in common with a 20y old woman and you're an infant who's six different men WTF are you on let's
05:13:51
Brian Atlasget back to let's get back I actually want you to answer this question I want you to answer this question I got to read the question or can someone read it for me I can't see it okay so what can a 35-year-old man have in common with a
05:14:01
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)30-year-old woman that he can't also have in common with a 20-year-old woman um what stage what stage in life are 20y olds in and what stage in life are 30y olds in like
05:14:14
Brian Atlaswhat part what part of their life and their formative years are they in so let me ask you a question okay let's let's go no no I'll engage with you on the stage of Life thing so let's assume for a second that you have are you familiar
05:14:25
Brian Atlaswith this term Failure to Launch yeah so somebody who just they haven't gone to school they haven't like gotten really a job they stayed at their home and kind of like around and did nothing and they're 35 35-year-old man who's
05:14:38
Brian Atlasjust college degree Failure to Launch never had a girlfriend nothing and don't you find and then compare it to like a boss babe 22-year-old who just graduated
05:14:49
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)college and she's going off to get 100K a year job and don't you find that suspect that a a 35-year-old man would be would be a failure to launch and have something in common with an 18-year-old
05:15:02
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)and that's what they would have in common is they're in the same formative years of their life don't you think that that man that man isn't model she's furthery old could be further so you need to now make the
05:15:13
Brian Atlasargument that hold on you got let me finish you need you need to now make the argument that a 22-year-old woman who's dating a failure to launch man is predatory or gross or icky um I didn't
05:15:24
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)say that it's predatory I said it's gross and icky because the the relationship is not a compatible relationship sit back down or because
05:15:34
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)because the man the man inherently has something sit down what the until until 3:00 a.m. how about that the man inherently has something wrong with him which makes him which makes him Inc
05:15:46
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)compatible with somebody who's so much younger than him wait I can't go in though I'm sorry repeat it they're talking repat it one more time the man inherently has something wrong with him that makes him com more compatible with
05:15:57
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)people younger than them which which makes it less likely which makes it less likely for them to have a healthy relationship are there exceptions to the rule yes but for the majority of the time when when people are in very big
05:16:10
Brian AtlasRel you got let me you hold on you got you can't you let you didn't let me finish my you can't just make three different arguments you got to let me take them one at a time I didn't make any claims about compatibility in fact I
05:16:21
Brian Atlassaid commonality compatibility are relevant all right IR irrelevant totally irrelevant okay why definitely you think I asked you there's a guy who's been in
05:16:32
Brian Atlasyour life who you stated you have the most in common with you didn't end up dating him because you got let me speaking because there were more important things either to you or to him
05:16:44
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)had nothing to do with commonality but the reason the reason that it's it's weird is that the compatibility is weird
05:16:52
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)is because the man is not at is not mature enough or not here actually I'm not going to say the man because it could this could be a a gender reverse
05:17:03
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)situation the man or woman that is older the party that is older in this relationship does not have the emotional maturity of their age and therefore what therefore the
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)relationship cannot be the healthiest relationship it can be again there always exceptions there's always exceptions to rules you can make you can make any argument for like any exception to the rule aru the majority of the
05:17:26
Sheenatime can I say can I add something to this honestly I think even this argument argument is useless and I'll tell you why because especially now 2024 there's
05:17:37
Sheenano more not not even what I said it's not valid because today so many exceptions like it's like a chaos out there in the dating world you could see really young girls with really older guys you could see really older woman
05:17:50
Sheenalike you see Shar and Madonna it's embarrassing but it's like normal in their world because you know there are celebrity there's no rules at all whatsoever because majority of society especially in America it's Decay it's
05:18:01
SheenaDecay Society it's failing Society like if you go if you live America and go for two months for example to Italy to Eastern Europe to the Far East America when you go and ask the question you
05:18:14
Sheenawould ask in America they wouldn't even know what you're talking about when you tell him what is your gender like what what gender you know because America bam th has donated
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TTS/Nick (production)$100 having less in common means you can actually have room to build things in common and share experiences together there's nothing wrong with that American society thank you ban
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Sheenaappreciate it thank you American Society in general twisted and doctrinated their own people to destroy them from the inside so you see a lot of confused women who who wants to be a man they
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TTS/Nick (production)don't even know what they're doing see a lot of confused women like you for Royal donated $100 guys don't let these women fool you I am 36 years old and pulled a
05:19:01
TTS/Nick (production)21-year-old on Friday night we have the same name we have the same sign I seal the deal we have been talking all day
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Sheenasince oh my uh Jordan thank you man appreciate it uh that's that's exactly what I'm saying there's no rules America is a chaotic Society
05:19:22
TTS/Nick (production)okay donated $100 pulling it back up what can a 35-year-old man have in common with a 30-year-old woman that he can't also have in common with a 20 year
05:19:32
TTS/Nick (production)old woman and you're an infant who's six different men WTF are you on so okay let's not
05:19:44
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)talk having things in common because you're taking having things in common as meaning oh my God we both like going rowing what you you said what I met in common as in what is their maturity
05:19:55
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)level their mental States why are two people in completely different AG their World Views their values like the deeper things that would that you would need to have present to have like a real
05:20:06
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)long-term compatible relationship and in your in your 20s you're kind of still forming it right you're still forming it most of the time most of the time um young I mean younger people I mean don't
05:20:19
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)have a good you know sense of the world because they have less experience and I think that if a person that's much older doesn't have doesn't have that sense about them then that's a red flag
05:20:31
Sheenain them does that make sense well that's why giv advice wild as a younger person I don't think age defines maturity but wait but but with that being said yesterday I went out to a place in
05:20:42
SheenaBeverly Hills right all the women were young dressed in beautiful having makeup all of them dressed sexy and I didn't see a lot of younger guys under 50 or 45
05:20:53
Sheenaall the guys were really old older compared to sorry not old older compar compared to the women there so I think in general when you go to Miami to New York and I travel a lot I think majority
05:21:04
Sheenaof of society of women in America and men but women specifically it's it's a prostitute only fan mentality even if they don't do only fan because the
05:21:13
Sheenamajority here of people thinking he's men I look good I got this equipment of a body I go to hunt men with money and women here don't want to hear or don't want to even look at men that they don't
05:21:25
Sheenamake a certain amount of money every month they looking for specifically older guy with money okay so it doesn't matter what we say or what we talk in this podcast in the end of the day
05:21:37
Sheenamajority of the people this country have no value they traded their value long time ago for money specifically the women and men because they realize the women they don't have a lot of material
05:21:49
Sheenamarriage material women in this country so they the women in this country destroy the men remember that the girl here said before oh we're not in the 60s we're not in the 50s yes and it's really
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Sheenabad because in the 60s and in the 50s women had values they knew how to treat a men and I'm not saying women necessarily have to sit at home and um not work and just raise the kids you can
05:22:12
Sheenahave your career you can be ambitious you can do thing but still majority of women in this country they have a prostitute mentality and it's really really
05:22:22
Brian Atlassad okay so we'll have a bit of an exchange now so uh you were talking about maturity right um do you think
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)you're more mature than Desiree yes well you're 23 and she's 38 go back to when I said there's exceptions to every Rule and I think right but there it's okay
05:22:45
TTS/Nick (production)toon Jackson donated $100 which of the six men you're seeing do you have deep intellectual conversations with about your stage in
05:22:54
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)life and your future would love to know um the six men I'm seeing I'm not having relationships um like romantic relationships with they're purely sexual
05:23:05
Brian Atlasrelationships so then is at one time wait just hold on she has different places so is it better then for an older man to strictly have casual sexual
05:23:17
Brian Atlasencounters with young women as opposed to a man who wanted a monogamous long-term relationship with a young woman which is more objectionable to you um the monogamous relationship I think if people wait just to be clear so a
05:23:30
Brian Atlas35-year-old man who just wants to an 18-year-old once and then ghost rafter is less objectionable than the 35 5-year-old man who has good intentions wants to be monogamous with her wants to
05:23:42
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)be in a long-term relationship with her now say that say that put that out there yes because I think that a man that is a
05:23:51
Brian Atlas35 targeting an 18-year-old why is it targeting because an 18-year-old is f fresh out of but hold on So when you say targeting so for example let's say he's
05:24:02
Brian Atlasdesirous of dating a a variety of age age range all the way from 18 to 50 whatever would you say would you use that framing targeting for a if
05:24:15
Brian Atlashe was wanting to date a 30-year-old is he targeting is this disgusting 35y old man targeting 30-year-old women you can put out every like exception I told you
05:24:26
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)there's exceptions to rul you can put out every extion why is it men men that specifically that specifically go after
05:24:35
Brian Atlasyounger women that specifically post that's I'm not shifting the gold post you're the one that's that's talking about exceptions to the rule I'm
05:24:45
Brian Atlasnot no I'm not no I'm not I'm saying so okay we were I was using myself as the guinea pig and I said girl from to 40 we already had this conversation I already
05:24:57
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)I already agreed I was like okay that's that's a little bit more valid and I understand your preference because you have you have a wide age rage I literally said that no but if I ended up
05:25:09
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)a 20-year-old you would object to it I think that's weird I definitely think it's weird that's what I'm trying to conversation it's weird think we it it depends you know on the relationship but
05:25:20
AllisonI I I would think it's weird to for you to be interested in somebody why is it weird because you're not it's not why is that okay but no commitment is okay like you're okay with having relationship with no commitment at all but him having
05:25:32
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)a committed relationship with a 20-year-old that's the problem I don't have a problem with I don't have a issue wait just to be clear the way that you guys you would consider
05:25:41
Brian Atlassex is more dirty stop stop stop okay you're okay you would consider so you're 23 you said okay so it doesn't have to be me let's say a 35-year-old guy if he
05:25:52
Brian Atlaswanted to just you and never talk to you again totally cool but or perhaps less objectionable but if he wanted to be in a relationship with you and he had good intentions more objectionable than just wanting to you weird I think
05:26:05
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)that's weird I cannot wrap my head around that yeah at all I think that's weird so can I ask her a question so say you had like a daughter who's 18 years old would you rather her be getting
05:26:17
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)by 35-year-old men or have a a good relationship with their yes you'd rather be getting by5 having sex with older men but no no like further relationship no relationship I don't
05:26:29
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)believe that you just don't have kids exactly I mean I already said I don't want kids how can you say that when you wake up you're not going to have eggs it's such a stupid cuz I have a mental illness that well a mental I have a
05:26:42
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)mental disorder that I think makes it makes it irresponsible for me to have a child not you you're making yourself mental but I think I have a mental a mental you think that you have one or you were diagnosed I have a diagnosis
05:26:52
Sheenathat I think makes it irres every found out doctor here the doctors here are ID was I don't trust their diagnosis I don't think you're mentally ill I think you making yourself mentally ill because it's trendy because it's trendy and also
05:27:05
Sheenahere if I go to okay let me tell you something I felt one time not so good right every time I went to the hospital I had a problem with my implant but every time I go to the hospital they told me oh you have anxiety take Xanax you have anxiety take xanx a he later I
05:27:18
Sheenaalmost died but every time I come to the hospital they tell me I need xanx I'm mentally ill you're not mentally ill you're a smart young woman and if you have people okay around you that actually make you think that and put it
05:27:30
Sheenainto your head you can totally change your life change your Paradigm change how you think and live like a normal woman you're not crazy but but first of all I personally just on a personal
05:27:41
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)level I don't want children but again you're only 23 you don't know what you want 20 I mean I could change my mind in the future but personally I don't I don't want children but um the specific
05:27:51
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)disorder that I have antisocial personality disorder makes it very very pretty much impossible you're not antisocial you're sitting here in front of many people not what it means antisocial personality disorder is just the name of the disorder it doesn't mean
05:28:04
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)you're actually antisocial anyways that's not true but that is true no anyways um having this disorder means that I I'm very bad at connecting with
05:28:14
TTS/Nick (production)Vector donated $100 to the girl in Black not Morgan you made a mistake replace the six men with one sex dollar and you should be good to
05:28:24
Sheenago exactly spare them the trauma exactly TTS is now $69 thank you for the TTS Vector 10 time you keep you keep saying to everybody I'm mental a I have this disorder this
05:28:36
Sheenadisorder you have no disorder you only disorder for putting yourself down not valuing yourself not appreciating yourself no I'm not going to allow you guys to derail the conversation we're going to go right back to the age Gap
05:28:47
Brian Atlasconversation we're not going to go back to the psychopath conversation so okay um you're smart I failed to really hear
05:28:56
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)an actual argument so why is it gross or icky or weird because there is a maturity Gap and you you keep saying you fail to hear an argument I keep making
05:29:06
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)the same argument and we have we simply disagree on it like I make the AR but so I hear from a lot of don't agree with me hold on yeah women mure godamn you guys
05:29:17
Brian Atlasgot to let me answer okay so I hear from a lot of women 18 19 20 21 I even remember back when I was in college a lot of girls were like these
05:29:28
Brian Atlascollege boys ain't they're immature they're all Boys in this age and a lot of them were dating older dudes mhm maybe not like massive AG gaps but they did guy in their late 20s or some
05:29:40
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)it's true but when they get to the 40s and 30s they sorry about that I mean I was thinking I was thinking the same thing today I was like I was like I can't keep doing younger men because they don't know what they want they I mean women typically are more mature
05:29:51
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)than men if you guys are like the same age like if you bring like 20-year-old man and a 20-year-old woman typically the woman has a higher maturity level by like so I guess what's the moral
05:30:03
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)argument the moral arguments like how's it morally wrong it's boring that's such a bad question for me cuz
05:30:10
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)I'm my disorder has I don't really have like a lot of morals but I just I
05:30:19
Sheenathink relationship I can understand because you put yourself so much down it's unbelievable it's so uncomfortable to sit on the side because I I can see
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TTS/Nick (production)or I can observe people and how they act how they can be influenced 67 donated $100 the IDF chick is correct this
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TTS/Nick (production)generation of Americans have been brainwashed Beyond repair men work women are caretakers at home it has been like that throughout history until recently all right thank you R
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)appreciate it man thank thank you for the TTS um it's because I personally think that
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)people that are much older should have a maturity level that's a lot higher um at a higher level than somebody that's much younger than them and so I think it's
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TTS/Nick (production)weird when they have interest when they my God Don $69 young females throw themselves at me all day for my brein Mike Davis nobody
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TTS/Nick (production)want to talk about them Predators Mike Davis is am2 victim yo Mike Davis join the Discord dude I'll give you a legendary role on there I don't know if
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Sheenayou got Discord hit me up I think if an older man protect the younger woman well I think and nurture her and love her so let's talk about the the younger women
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)throwing their themselves at men with money um this this type of dynamic doesn't create a an authentic relationship it's it's a relationship based on money so therefore it's not a
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Brian Atlasgood relationship not all the time not all the time I want to say if you're throwing somebody your for money so what do what are men uh seeking for looking for when they're like engaging in like
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Brian Atlassame age relationships what are men looking for they compatible answer compatibility men are not even men your age ladies men your
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Brian Atlasage are not looking for compatibility and commonality really comp in her age but in my age they do no no no no no I don't care what age the dude is in fact
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Brian AtlasI'll even say the same about women y'all don't give a about compatibility and commonality compatibility is different but commonality don't care yall don't
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Sheenacare but you're talking from your perspective the of the world not true it's it's simply not true like I can tell you my what are men looking for
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)what are men your age looking for in a woman okay I think people my age or like younger younger people typically are looking for out of relationship and this this is my opinion but I think people
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)typically what they're actually looking for in a Rel ship is um a just a sense of of feeling that those hormones um that comes with being in love I think it
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)it gives them a sense of yeah that's what I think that most people young people that are seeking relationships because what men your age love at your age they're they are they love that they love having that
05:33:30
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)feeling of being in love and being admired and being obsessed it's it's all about how how being in a relationship makes somebody feel at at our age so so that's that's what I think make make it
05:33:41
Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)a bit more clear to me so men are looking for ABC tell me what they're looking for they're looking for somebody to make them feel good emotionally physically um yeah and that's what the
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Brian Atlasmen are looking for emotionally and physically yes okay and so the easiest way I can break it down men who are 10 years older are looking for what they're looking for somebody that
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)can create a life that they can create a life with that they they should at least be looking for somebody they should that and that's the point is that is that not all the time they're looking for that
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)they're not be looking for spoke let her let her to to your to like your point about how you should be looking for a higher value man a higher value man would be looking for somebody that can
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Sheenabuild a real life with and a real connection with second of all a lot of older men when they go with young girls they say oh yeah this dumb girl they they look at
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TTS/Nick (production)you like you're dumb $69 I'm a 40-year-old wealthy and attractive man I'm looking for a younger unburdened by what has been attractive
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Brian Atlasyounger lady that's it at the most primitive level everything else is a perk big sass energy thank you man appreciate the TTS well put um so I'm
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TTS/Nick (production)just confused so you said gani JD donated $69 psycho girl but will draw on emotion and the when it's convenient to the
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TTS/Nick (production)argument she wants to make but when pressed for a justification she resorts to my disorder means I can't understand thank you Giovani for the TTS um I'm
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Brian Atlasjust a little confused so you said these are all the things that at least what you think younger men are looking for so one
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Brian Atlaswhat would preclude an older man from Desiring those exact same things and secondly why why could he not get those
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Brian Atlasexact same things from a woman of any age so I think a a an older man straight s donated
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TTS/Nick (production)$69 I can't believe some of these $300 fastest spam that's a good roast man well done I want to answer also
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Brian Atlasplease okay I kind of forgot the question question so an older man what all the things that you listed that guy your age wants who's to say that an
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Brian Atlasolder man can't want those exact same things and he can't get those same exact things from women of any age so I think that an old an older man would be
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)looking for those same things but on top of that should be looking for somebody that they could build build should be right should be not not that they necessarily are what if he doesn't want
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Brian Atlaskids like you but it doesn't doesn't necessarily mean kids what if he doesn't want kid kids like you it doesn't necessarily I don't want kids no okay
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TTS/Nick (production)but in building a partnership you're Mike Davis donated $69 listen up my kings in the chat you're making a grave mistake to even
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TTS/Nick (production)concern yourself with the opinion of a female Mike Davis never does my motto is female detected opinion rejected all right okay thank you Mike I one sec
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TTS/Nick (production)there's another one coming in thank you Mike Davis appreciate TTS thank you ninja bear the ninja bear donated
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TTS/Nick (production)$69 I'm 43 single web dev only date 25 to 30 year old want to know why I want a family girl in Black does have a mental
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TTS/Nick (production)disorder syphilis has gone to her brain it's not icky I just want a family D just wants a family okay okay I
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Sheenawant to say something go ahead sorry regarding this a lot of aler men only something stuck in my throat can I get some water
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Sheenaguys okay no no I don't drink from somebody else but anyway what I wanted to say that a lot of the men the older men that want to date younger women it's either because they need to have a younger woman to have multiple
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Sheenachildren with her I know because I know a lot of personally people like that second women like it or not they like younger body they like younger vagina they like younger look they like to go
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Sheenaoutside and be seen with a younger woman they want something fresh that last for a long time even though with that being said a lot of the younger women when
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Sheenathey get to like a age like 35 40 they usually want to leave this older men but a lot of men think it's for me no I thought Oh I thought it's for
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Sheename look at that look at that water pour into my cup so give me a yeah you can have the rest pour to your cup and put it on the ground no no okay Sor pouring the cup um so a lot of men let's be
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Sheenahonest a lot of men want to be with a younger woman as much as it hurt to the older women a lot of guys just want a fresh body want to have a tight vagina they didn't go through pregnancy they don't want all the emotional burden a
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Sheenawoman in her 30s 40s 50s whatever they already set their own ways usually stubborn so they don't want that they want something without I disagree on a strong note just being a mom there are a lot of guys that not date women that
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Sheenadon't have kids because it's hard to have things so just saying that they only prefer women that don't have kids that's not true at all no I'm not saying all of them I'm saying this specific you're saying majority no no I said majority of older men who wants the
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Sheenaspecific one who wants I still think that a l not majority of men in general in the world that's not what I mean do you think that like I want to explain to you understand me I mean I hear what you're saying I just don't think having
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TTS/Nick (production)kids ruins you know a lot of your vagina if that's very natural I mean it goes disordered uncore girl donated $69 she'll open crotch for any age
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TTS/Nick (production)refuses to open it for any man trying to build a society kick her off the show every other girl far more interesting and coherent thank God she won't
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TTS/Nick (production)reproduce he talking about me no oh my God uh okay L paladins donated
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TTS/Nick (production)$699 socially stunted die I never even kissed a girl until I was 25 why the hell would I have dated a 25-year-old
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TTS/Nick (production)woman w/ 40 bodies if you first had sex at 15 how is that fair experience wait I'm confused about that did somebody say
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TTS/Nick (production)that before she said she Jimmy donated $69 yeah thank you J my now fiance when I was 25 26 and she was 18 19 7 years
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Brian Atlaslater we are happy F and driving our semi hauling Tyson chicken working towards the house yo Jimmy thank you for the TTS man really appreciate it congrats on your
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Mixed guests (Shirley/Desiree/Vic/Grace/Jennifer/Maddie)happy are you married did he say my now fiance they're engaged they're engaged congratulations congrats Jimmy on the uh engagement I think they were saying that not it's like sometimes it