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Date: 2026-01-26

Duration: 7h 49m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBella (Chipotle)>

DDiana (Russia)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Bella (Chipotle)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Cheva(guest)

SPEAKER_05Serenity(guest)

SPEAKER_07Lisa (Utah)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Amy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Diana (Russia)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Taz(guest)

SPEAKER_12Holly(guest)

SPEAKER_13Summer(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 10 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentDiana hesitates on US vs Russia allegiance. Brian reads naturalization oath.

ControversySummer vs Amy: UK grooming gangs, immigration, Palestine

QuoteAmy presents feminism as CIA-funded communist project to double labor pool

Key MomentSerenity's ex was DL gay - found DMs with trans woman while on birth control

Key MomentBella sings Amy Winehouse 'Back to Black' live, wins pizza

ControversyDiana: wants more white people, whites 'going extinct'

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

10 guests including 2 international (Scotland, Australia)

Allegiance Debate

Diana hesitates on US vs Russia. Amy: 'America first 100%.'

Immigration/Grooming Gang Debate

Summer vs Amy on UK grooming gangs and immigration.

Feminism History

Amy presents feminism as communist/Marxist/Satanist project.

Self-Ratings

Guests rate themselves. Serenity wants $2-5M/yr husband income.

Bella Sings Amy Winehouse

Bella performs 'Back to Black' a cappella to applause.

White Population Decline

Diana wants more white people. Amy supports.

Summer Catholic vs Porn

Brian challenges Summer for being Catholic while doing porn.

Show Wrap

~8 hour show.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas[clears throat] Do you think it's Do you think it's wrong for uh >> a white per like for example me for example if I wanted to date a white woman woman and one of the reasons I wanted to date her aside from her other

Chevapositive characteristics is I want to have white kids do you think that that's like wrong >> she said that she wants what he's doing that there's more kids around the world nothing to do with her that are white

Diana (Russia)that means like more white people >> yeah because there's bunch of other races >> and we are wrong with minority majority. >> No, white minority. >> Yeah, whites are going extinct. I want

Diana (Russia)my kids to look like me. And I'm not ashamed to say that. We need to normalize that [ __ ] honestly. >> Yeah. I'm sick and tired of listening how we going to have uh like Jews say like they married inside their own religion, right?

Diana (Russia)>> And it's fine for them. >> Yeah, it's fine. They can say that public >> Jew people from Israel. >> Yeah. you. >> Yeah. >> Or for example, Muslims, they saying we're going to >> have a marriage and uh inside our

Amyculture. >> Same as Asians, like even black people, they make fun of black men for dating a white girl. So why is it only not okay for white people to want white kids? There's so much cultural program

Chevaprogramming around this. It's [ __ ] >> A lot of white people that are against having black kids is because of racial like it's not because oh, they just want them to have white kids. is because they don't want them to have specifically black kids.

Cheva>> What? >> Isn't that sort of implied though in wanting to have >> white kids sort of? I don't know if it's baked into that, but >> you could want to have one white kids that's just one thing. But it's if

Chevayou're going against one specific like black kids, that's >> who against black kids. Nobody. >> You said I never said I'm against kids. >> But you said you said that you want all

Diana (Russia)kids to be white. >> Yeah. I never said black kids. When did I say that? When did I say that? I said I want >> white kids. And because I'm white, I want to have white kids around.

Amy>> You didn't say no your kids. You said in the world like you want more white people. >> We need more white people. Honestly, we do. White people are going extinct. If you look at like the graph for all other races, the way that they're going up.

Amy>> Yeah, I know. But this is also a very white state. Santa Barbara is a very white county, right? But if you look at the statistics, like the bell curve is going up for all other races and it's going down for white people. We're literally going functionally extinct if

Amywe keep going at this rate. So yeah, white people should >> Don't worry, we're not white people. >> Do you consider yourself white? A lot of Israel Israelis don't consider themselves to be white though. >> They don't. >> Yeah, we do.

Amy>> No, actually I mean, was it Ben Shapiro? Some like really well-known Israeli commentator. They were saying that it's kind of like dicey whether Israelis actually consider themselves to be white. They they are from the Middle

ChevaEast. So it is not 100% white. I am also American and actually also Spanish. But >> it consider yourself to be white. >> I am white. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I want white babies. I want my babies to

Brian Atlaslook like me. >> Nothing wrong with that. >> Serenity to sort of answer your question here. >> Uh so white people are an increasing minority in the world. They they already are a minority globally speaking. Less

Summerthan 16% I believe >> globally speaking white people >> less than 60% >> 16 >> oh what [laughter] >> yeah that's what I'm saying >> do you disagree or >> is that true 16% of people in the world that's not true less than 16% of the

Amypeople >> 17 Google that >> 16 curious on what the overall study is if you could Google it Brian I'm very interested >> on the percentage of the racial breakdown >> are you talking about like like pure

Amywhite >> Asians and no caucasian like Right. >> Blue-eyed. >> Not not mixed with other races. Like not mixed with Asian, not mixed with African-Amean, not mixed with, not mixed

Amywith Spanish. Correct. >> Okay. Well, everyone like cuz the whole world is mixing. >> Yeah. But there's predominantly white cultures. Like all of my genetics are white except for a very very tiny minor.

AmyI'm 50% Hungarian, so 50% Slavic, and I'm Australian. and my Australian side is predominantly um French sp uh French English and then a tiny little bit of

Brian AtlasSpanish. >> Okay. So here are the uh the details on this. Um okay so South Asian uh so that's India,

Brian AtlasPakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka that's 23 to 24% of the global world population. East and Southeast Asian 21 to 27%. So the these are estimates that

Brian Atlasare being provided. That's why there's the the range. Black African descent 15 to 19% white Caucasian 10 to 12%.

Brian Atlas>> Latin Latin American 8% Middle Eastern North African 5 to 6%. >> Indigenous and other 3 to 5%. >> We're a minority now. >> So white people are definitely a minority. >> Huge problem.

Amy>> Exactly. >> Whites built the world. People say white culture doesn't exist. It absolutely does. It's literally >> true >> like >> our

Brian Atlastheater. I think just like >> All right. >> Uh going around the I need to kind of wait until everybody's back at the table. I think we got one person. >> To be clear, I don't have a problem with

Amyother races. I mean, I actually think that like half Asian women are the most beautiful women in the world. Like half Filipino women. So stunning. Um, I have plenty of friends who are other races, but it is a concern that, you know, the white race is going down in numbers, and

Brian AtlasI definitely want kids that look like me. And there's nothing wrong with that. >> Damn, y'all guys. Y'all don't know how to follow the instructions. It says circle the number. I even said it. And y'all writing yes, yes, no. Making my job all [ __ ] complicated.

Brian Atlas>> I circled. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no, not everybody. >> But, but two people are [ __ ] writing yes or no next to the Okay, whatever. I think I literally only >> reading comprehension difficulties. Um,

Brian Atlasso all right. Anyways, uh, okay, really quick. Uh, Summer from the questionnaire. Women are the primary victims of war, not men. Why is that? >> Well, especially in my country in Ireland and stuff, it was the women that struggled the most from like the famine

Summerand from the wars. >> Women struggled the most. >> They did. So, whilst the men were out fighting, the women were actually starving at home. Like the Irish potato famine is absolutely crazy. It was the women and the children that struggled the most. >> Okay. Um,

Brian Atlas>> obviously I don't know what you guys like here, but that's just the only war that I know about. >> Well, it is a bit of a general question. Um, obviously Ireland's been involved in more wars. The So, just to be clear,

Brian Atlaslook, I'm not an expert on the Irish potato famine. Was that uh >> So, it was like >> was that a categorized as a war? So

Summerbasically the English came over and like murdered a bunch of Irish people. Called it a potato famine when it wasn't a potato famine. They took all of the crops and everything away for the

SummerEnglish people. Um it's very >> When that happened not that long ago >> it was the uh 1845 to 1852 >> and it still went on until there was

Summerstill quite a lot of war until probably about 20 years ago. Like there was stuff like bloody Sundays where the English would they would come on Sundays and they would massacre a bunch of Irish people. Like this was when my parents

Summerwere younger as well. So like this is still a current thing. And then there would be the men who would go off and they would fight in the IRA or they would fight in like the British army either either one and it would be the

Summerwomen. Yes. They a lot of them died. And so the women would be at home and often at especially in Ireland the women would have to carry the guns. The women would have to be part of the IRA. The women

Summerwould have to transport all of the the guns. It was always the women because the the the British soldiers wouldn't look at the women for it. So it was majority the women who had to do all the work. >> I mean I I looked this up. I'm obviously

Brian Atlasjust offhand. I'm not familiar with the Irish potato fan. I've heard of it. I'm not familiar with the details. Um, what I'm seeing here is very more likely to die than women during the Irish potato

Summerfamine. The male mortality is how would you rather die? Would you rather die by getting shot at gunpoint or would you rather die by starvation? >> Well, hold on. According to this, it seems like even related to the

Brian Atlasstarvation, the there were more men who even died from starvation. It seems like according to this women um have >> that's also a British number like >> women have higher biological resilience

Brian Atlasto starvation and even infectious this is I'm just pulling this from the infectious disease partly due to body fat distribution metabolic differences. Well, it actually is the case that for example in order for a man to survive

Brian Atlashis calorie intake is like way higher than women. So women can survive off of a lower calorie intake and they're just more so they're more resilient to starvation I guess. >> Yeah. But you're talking about survive and not struggling. The men were off. They were all

Summer>> Yeah. I think I'd rather struggle than die. >> I think I'd much rather die than fully be starving. My kids [clears throat] starving. My family starving. And also those stats that you have on your computer, they were made by the British

Summerthe British government. you have that it's from the British government >> literally from like historical like accuracy from family tales it's been very >> it's not denying that the potato famine

Summerhappened >> but even like you guys learn here that it's called the potato famine and like it was because they couldn't grow crops but that wasn't true it was because the British soldiers were taking the crops and giving it to Britain so like there's a lot of inaccuracies in the history

Amythat you guys don't get taught about that only we learn about even you guys I asked you about it But you were saying earlier when I was giving you statistics, you were saying that you don't believe in the manipulation of statistics when it comes to like the grooming gangs and all of these things. So I don't believe in

Amystatistics. >> So you don't think that in time that maybe like what I was saying will be vindicated much like at the time when the stats were being manipulated for what you're talking about? >> I said at the start I don't believe in stats. >> Huh? You don't believe in statistics

Summeroverall? What do you mean? Like >> No, I think that statistics like you can't what happened in Ireland. You don't think you can be you don't think you can quantify things? >> No, but you it's the inaccuracies in the

Summerhistory. You're not going to learn like >> the I can't remember her name. >> Israel. >> Okay. The Israeli girl like her opinion on it is going to be different from like

Brian Atlasour opinion on it because that's where she's from. Please. Sorry. >> Yeah. I mean, look, I I'm looking at it. Uh I'm not diminishing the fact that women obviously suffered severely during

Brian Atlasthis time period of Ireland. However, uh men were more likely to die. Women had higher survival rates during the Irish potato famine. So even in this one particular example that you're pulling

Summerup, all other military commen the primary victims. >> I also think in war, even Scotland or even Syria or anything, it's the soldiers that are coming and they're coming and they're raping the women. I

Summerthink that's a big huge problem. So I think maybe not maybe they don't struggle more but I think women still struggle when the war is in >> conflict. But the claim here is not that

Brian Atlasduring wartime women face zero suffering. There's no doubt that all civilians even during wartime whether it's due to economic reasons or even if the you know the country is invading you

Brian Atlasthen you know then there's actual civilian casualties. The argument here is who suffers more or who's the primary sufferer. Would you agree that in

Brian Atlascertain gendered instances that men or women in certain Well, you probably would say that in plenty of ways women suffer more. >> I would say that yeah, there's different

Summertypes of suffering. Obviously, if it's like who dies more, yes, for sure men definitely die more suffering the effects of the war. >> Yeah. So, I mean, this seems a little incoherent to me. It's almost like if I

Summerwere to say that when women are pregnant, men are the primary sufferers because they have to deal with the stressed out pregnant women. [laughter] >> I don't think that's even close to being similar. >> I was like starving to death the same as being with a pregnant woman. That's not

Brian Atlasthe same. >> But you would you would agree with me that like oh how about this? When the woman is actually giving birth, uh she's going through a lot of physical pain. >> I think the men also goes through pain during that situation, >> right? We can acknowledge. Yeah. Like,

Brian Atlasokay, she's squeezing his hand super tight and it hurts. Oh my god, I'm pushing out a [ __ ] baby out of my vagina. Oh my god. And she squeezes the [ __ ] out of his hand and that [ __ ]

Brian Atlashurts, right? Uh, but I would never say, well, even though men do have some degree of pain during the pregnancy process, uh, it completely pales in

Brian Atlascomparison to the pain that women feel during pregnancy. Women would be although men are suffering or in pain, women are the primary sufferers or uh people experiencing pain during

Summerpregnancy. >> I would maybe retract and say that I don't think women suffer more, but I do think they suffer an unequal amount. >> Absolutely incoherent. >> That's okay. That's your >> even during war. >> I think so.

Brian Atlas>> So, what about can I even if we were Let's do this. Even if we were to grant that uh in the specific example you gave that in during the Irish potato famine women had it

Brian Atlasworse. I don't think that's the case at all. What I've found [snorts] seems to be completely contradictory to that. But even if we grant it uh are you saying in >> even I'd like to point out in Ireland the women were fighting the war as well.

Summer>> It wasn't just the men. The women were part of the IRA. The biggest part >> were they so the IRA were there more female belligerent >> there there was very a lot of female

Summer>> answer the question >> I obviously don't know the stats but there was a lot answer the question >> I know people that are from Ireland that their grands were transporting guns for the IRA >> there's no dispute that women have >> like women were a big huge part of the

Brian AtlasIRA >> okay but in terms of the combatants these soldiers Uh, pretty sure it's fair to say >> there was still a lot of women. >> I don't care about a lot. You want to do

Brian Atlasthis thing where you're conveniently ignoring the question at hand, which is more. So, are there were there more men in the IRA than women? Were there more male? >> Probably more male soldiers. >> Of course, there were more male

Summersoldiers. >> But it doesn't matter the same. And no, because the women were still very much a part of it. It doesn't. Wait, this is so incoherent. >> It isn't at all. The women were the ones

Summertransporting the guns. >> Oh my god. Transporting the guns. Are you joking? Do you know how you know how harmful the Ireland was back in that time? To even be caught with a gun. You're getting raped. It doesn't matter.

Brian AtlasIt doesn't matter. The men were the primary victims of war. >> There's so many wars in the world. >> No, there's struggle. Let me ask you this. the Ukraine war, the Ukraine, the recent Ukraine conflict, which is still

Brian Atlasongoing. Uh, >> of the Ukrainian population, I guess you could ask it even for the Russian. Who's the primary victims of the Ukraine conflict? Men or women? You don't [ __ ] know. Even though before >> No, I was saying I don't know anything

Brian Atlasabout the Ukraine war. >> You don't even need to know anything about it. >> Probably men. Yes, probably. >> Probably men. >> But women still suffer in war. >> Yes, women do suffer. Ukrainian women have suffered. Not to the scale that men

Summerhave suffered. >> But what about the war in the Middle East? What about Syria? What about like all these other places where the women are the ones that are getting objectified and raped and murdered? Like

Summerthe men are out fighting with guns and then the women in the Middle East are getting fully murdered and slaughtered. They're they're the majority. >> So let's do a comparison then. So look, I'm of course we acknowledge that

Brian Atlasterrible things happen to civilians. Maybe even specific gendered things like rape happened to women during wartime. There's no dispute there. However, can I ask you a question? Uh, how many men are

Brian Atlasyou willing to die or let die? >> I wouldn't want any men to die. >> Wait to wait for the question. How many w men would you be willing to let die to prevent one rape? >> I wouldn't want any of them to die.

Summer>> Answer the question. >> I just [ __ ] died. I wouldn't like one of them to die. Not one. No. >> So, zero. Okay. That's also such a ridiculous question to ask. >> Ridiculous. >> Oh, would you like to get raped or do you want 10 men to die? That's such a

Brian Atlasridiculous question. >> The question was would you how many men would you allow to die to prevent one rape? Now, we've created a value judgment in terms of harm or suffering. So, the reality is and also by the way

Brian Atlasin wartime even if we can acknowledge that thousands, tens of thousands even maybe you might even say sometimes in some of these conflicts hundreds of thousands of women are raped. If I can

Brian Atlaspresent to you a war where yes hundreds of thousands of women were raped uh but uh 10 million tens of million of men was it World War I World War II the

Brian Atlascasualties were World War II the casualties were in the tens of millions right uh these are almost predominantly men at least the military casualties are like 99% men right

Brian Atlasso way more men died during World War II than women were raped Who's the primary sufferer from your perspective now? >> Probably men. I'm done with this conversation. >> Well, it's just I think it's interesting. You can't even like in the

Summerone >> No, because I've told you I've told you all of what I'm thinking. Like the women definitely struggle within war. >> I don't know why more maybe not more than men cuz you guys like die.

Brian Atlas>> Why is it a competition? >> That's I I never made it a competition. >> That feminism isn't a competition. But >> no, I never made it a competition. It was a sheet. I was an answer and a question. >> No, no, no. But look, the the the

Brian Atlasquestion in dispute is not during wartime, do women have a jolly old time? That's not what we're talking about. Of course, both men, women, children, everybody is going to have typically a

Brian Atlasbad time during war. It's not a good thing. People are going to suffer, both men, women, children. However, when it comes to military conflicts, you can't ignore the fact that the vast majority

Brian Atlasof uh soldiers are men. Uh even if you look at certain countries where there's women soldiers, they're far less likely to be placed in harm's way. They're much more likely to be kept back, to be

Brian Atlassupport roles. Men are typically frontline soldiers disproport way disproportionately. Men are the primary victims of war that there's no arguing against it. >> Okay, cool. >> Okay.

Bella (Chipotle)>> Okay, cool. >> It's just your position different areas are different. >> What was the thing we were going to do, Mary? Uh, there was something we were going to >> order pizza. >> I [laughter] already did. >> Oh, thank you. Thanks, Brian.

Brian Atlas>> Appreciate that. >> What do you mean the time? >> Like, how much longer? >> I mean, bro, if you guys want to [ __ ] leave, you guys can just [ __ ] leave. I'm tired of the [ __ ] attitude from you guys. If you guys just want to [ __ ] go, then [ __ ] go. >> Oh, I didn't say

Brian Atlas>> we're going to The show will end when it ends. But you guys have been so disruptive this entire time. I'm trying to move through this. If you have an issue, you asked me [ __ ] 20 times about pizza. I'm doing it. But if you want to [ __ ] leave, then just leave.

Diana (Russia)If you're not enjoying that. >> And yet again earlier he said how uh older women get more like um toxic. You said >> um has to do with the situation.

Diana (Russia)>> Nothing has to do with anything. But >> what do you mean? No. You've been saying how older women are been toxic or more dramatic dramatic. But >> I didn't say all older women are that.

Diana (Russia)>> You didn't say all different situations. You had an experience. It doesn't matter. He He said about He's talking about when he breaks up with a woman. How is that the same when they're just saying they're hungry? >> He didn't say only about breaks up in general just to deal with them.

Brian Atlas>> Wait. So, I don't understand. What's your point? >> Because they're younger women. Are you trying to be like, "Well, look at these younger women." >> Don't interrupt me. Let me finish. You >> the show. I'll interrupt you as much as I want. >> Then I'm not going to talk. What's the

Diana (Russia)point? You're asking me and you're not allowing me to answer >> to provide clarification. Go ahead. Finish your point. My point is you accusing the girls how they being disruptive or being annoying, asking for

Brian Atlaspizza. No, no, no. You're saying you keep saying that. >> What does that have to do with the thing that you just brought up about the older women? >> Because they there's two young girls

Diana (Russia)>> here. >> Can you speak into the mic? Yeah. What does that have to do with anything? >> Nothing. >> You took offensive that he said the older women are more >> Are you saying we're being toxic like the older woman? Oh, I'm He said uh he

Diana (Russia)said how you annoying and you keep asking for pizza and he was like, "Fuck off. Just leave the show if you don't like it." >> I think it's just somebody officially got rage baited.

Diana (Russia)[laughter] >> It was >> What is going on? >> Okay, let's I cannot express and my English is not good. So,

Taz>> no, I get what where you're coming from, but It's truly like a different topic. I I get I get everyone. I get everyone. >> Maybe everybody's just a little cranky. >> New topic. Let's go. Next question. >> Happy Burns night, guys. It's burns

Brian Atlasnight. Happy Burns night. Brad, you want to read the next question? >> Yeah, but it's like I'm I'm a bit confused because you brought up Oh, what? Earlier in the show, you said that you had some bad experiences with older women. >> Are you

Brian Atlas>> And you're pointing out that they're younger. So like my position is of course young women can also be annoying. >> Old women can also be annoying. Old

Brian Atlaswomen can older women can also >> not be annoying >> and younger women can also be not annoying. >> Right. It also could be not nothing to do with age. >> But >> yeah. Okay. >> Even if there are younger women at the

Brian Atlaspanel who are being annoying, >> that wouldn't be contradictory to my point.

Bella (Chipotle)>> [laughter] >> Yeah, I know. It's >> [ __ ] crazy, dude. Pineapple. >> We're all friends here. >> Yeah, just saying I want to leave. I'm just hungry. That's it. Sorry. >> Yeah, I'm here for a show. >> Just All right.

Bella (Chipotle)>> They said to eat before we start. I did. [clears throat] >> I just hungry. I'm just a hungry girl. Fast metabolism. It goes straight through.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Um Okay. >> Tell me you're you're not hungry, Brian. Uh, Lisa. Who's Lisa? >> That's me. >> Okay. Uh, you said you've known your husband since you were 13. You didn't

Brian Atlasget together until you were 19. You think promiscuity is a sign of mental illness and depression, regardless of what feminism says about it. Do you have anything to add to that? >> Oh, pretty much that. I think that any sort of addiction that you have, whether it's >> Can you speak into the mic, please?

Lisa (Utah)>> Great. I think any sort of addiction that you have, whether it's sexual promiscuity or drug addiction or eating addictions or anything like that, um, is a sign of

Brian Atlas[snorts] depression. I think that it's a coping mechanism to deal with other things that are going on. >> Okay. Uh, you also say you have a disagreement. You don't think the host

Lisa (Utah)is very chivalous, which I think is a quality all real men should have. [laughter] Uh, do you want to expand? Um, I will preface this with I I haven't watched like a lot of your show. I've just

Lisa (Utah)watched the clips, especially just like more recently coming in. >> But some of the questions that I've heard you ask, such as if a man pays for the first date, would you be willing to go home and do the laundry? >> I don't think that that >> Sorry, go ahead. I I'll correct it, but

Brian Atlasgo ahead. >> Well, you can correct it. >> Oh, I I have never framed it like that. Um, but uh it it's not like a tit for tad. If you pay for the first date, she should go

Serenityhome and do your laundry. I think the first time a girl's over at your place, she should do the laundry. That's something different, though. >> Wait, the first time the girl's over, like first day at my place. Yeah. She should cook. She should clean. She

Serenityshould do laundry. >> She should do your laundry. The first house that she doesn't live in, >> correct? >> Why? >> Can you explain that? Yeah. >> But why don't you finish your point?

Lisa (Utah)>> Okay. Sorry, I'm like kind of scared now. Anyways, um I just I feel like you have a very high expectation of femininity, which is fine. >> Mhm. >> I don't think that you quite meet the standards of masculinity that I would

Lisa (Utah)see. And so I think that it's unfair if you're not going to meet standards of masculinity to have certain standards of femininity. >> What are the standards of masculinity? >> See, I'm so nervous now. Okay. >> Um,

Lisa (Utah)>> I would say that I have a lot of men in my life that have >> created the standard, but I do think that it goes far beyond like your financial income. >> I think that men should be fit. I think

Lisa (Utah)they should be strong, able to protect. I think that they should be mentally and emotionally able to provide. Um, >> I know that I could see your face right now, but >> not short-tempered. >> Not short-tempered would be I think that

Brian Atlasfrom >> I've been super patient this entire time. Not regarding you. >> I've been super patient this entire show. You guys have been a little feral tonight. Not going to lie. My patience was exhausted. >> We've given before the show, we give you

Brian Atlasguys instructions on our expectations of you. We say don't do sidebar conversations. We say, you know, speak into the mic. We say all these things. And uh you guys have been just

Brian Atlascompletely feral. Completely. Not everybody at the panel, but a lot of, you know, breaking our rules. I think you do that to anybody. Like if you poke even a really patient person far enough, yeah, they're gonna get frustrated. Go

Lisa (Utah)ahead, continue with your point. >> That just that's basically it. Like I >> Okay, so how would you apply these to me? >> Um, you have been a little bit short-tempered and I understand what you're saying, but I just like from the

Lisa (Utah)standpoint of the men that are in my life, specifically my husband obviously is going to be my main pull from here. like he has a tremendous. My husband in 15 years has never even raised his voice at me even one time. [clears throat] And I will say I'm kind of difficult. I I

Brian Atlaswill give him that. >> Oh well, now we're talking about something different. I would actually make the argument and I don't know your husband. I don't mean to throw him under the bus. Your admission that Well, actually, let's explore this. You're

Lisa (Utah)difficult to >> um I can be I can have a bit of a temper sometimes. >> Interesting. You have the temper. I actually think and your husband

Brian Atlasdoes what when you have a temper. >> Um, he tells me to take a breath and calm down a little bit. >> But it's a behavior that you you've been with him for 15 years that you still haven't corrected. >> It's something that I have definitely

Brian Atlasworked on, >> but I think that we all have stuff that we're working on. Ah, well, it seems like your husband has not laid a strong enough boundary in your relationship, which I think would actually indicate a lack of masculinity on your husband's

Brian Atlaspart. >> I strongly disagree. >> Hold on. Your husband tolerating 15 years of I have an attitude problem. I'm

Brian Atlassorry. That's not masculinity. Sometimes as a man, if your woman is acting the fool, you got to tell her to shut the [ __ ] up. It's not okay to act

Brian Atlaslike that. Oh, abs. But it's okay for you to be nagging and quarrel. I don't nag my husband. >> You literally said that you What did you say? What was the words? >> I do have a bit of a temper a little bit. Like I will say that I have a little bit of a temper, but I don't nag

Brian Atlasmy husband. >> You said you're you're what was the word? Problematic. You're what what was the word you used? >> Short temper now. Short temper. >> No, she said something else. >> She said um >> difficult. I can be difficult sometimes,

Brian Atlas>> right? Husbands love that. Um, >> my husband does. >> Oh, >> yeah. I mean, I think that you just got to find your >> tolerating difficulty in a relationship.

Brian AtlasUh, I mean, you say he your husband is emblematic of masculinity. I think a component of masculinity is having the capacity to tell a woman no, >> that's not okay.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you haven't corrected your behavior. So, it seems like his guiding hand hasn't been exactly uh effective. I guess we could say >> I would say that it has been effective in the sense that I'm definitely have

Lisa (Utah)corrected it over time and I'm not to the point where I was but he has especially in the beginning which >> I was much more so he definitely tells me it's not like he just takes it and

Lisa (Utah)then sits down like he definitely discusses it with me but he discusses and communicates with me. He does not raise his voice, belittle, berate me or tell me to shut the [ __ ] up. I don't think that's an appropriate way to talk to your wife. I think

Brian Atlas>> I don't think it's appropriate to treat your husband in a uh what was the term difficult? Is that what she used? >> What did you say? You can be difficult sometimes. Sure can. >> Yeah. I don't think it's fair in a

Brian Atlasmarriage or a relationship to be difficult to partner. >> No one's perfect. Everyone has pros and cons. >> Is he ever difficult to you? >> Slightest ways. >> No, it sounds like >> he's the perfect person. Wow.

Lisa (Utah)>> Yeah. It's okay. My husband is definitely not a sin. I can tell you that he is very protective and he is not he does have a shorter temper outside of me. >> He protects me.

Lisa (Utah)>> Mhm. >> Um but he has never raised his voice at me. And the Bible calls for men to treat their women with understanding. >> Proverbs 21:19.

Brian AtlasBetter to live in a desert than when with a quarreling and nagging wife. You just admitted that you've been for vast amounts of your marriage were difficult. You want to bring up the Christianity

Lisa (Utah)and the Bible. You're clearly failing or at least were failing as it relates to Proverbs. >> 100% I think that I was not a great wife in the beginning of our marriage and I am very thankful that my husband stuck

Lisa (Utah)with me. But I do think that as of right now I am an amazing wife. We have a very good marriage and we have a great family. >> Yeah. I mean again though, so I think it's interesting though. You say that

Brian Atlasyour husband outside of your relationship has a short temper. Uh this is an adversarial discussion podcast where uh I'm basically like

Brian Atlascarrying the entire conversation on my back and having adversarial conversations. So often times in debates you're going to face instances of frustration. People

Brian Atlasare going to be debating against you often times in bad faith or they're going to be so logically incoherent that it's completely frustrating to even attempt to have a debate or conversation

Brian Atlasbecause their logic is slow so flawed that it can get frustrating at times. >> I can understand that, >> right? So the the demeanor also it's you

Brian Atlasknow to some degree this is a a show. We're putting on a show here. So, there's a degree of showmanship, I guess, that goes with that. Uh, I don't

Brian Atlasthink you can really draw the nature of the conversations I'm having on the show and make any sort of determination really as how an interaction in my

Lisa (Utah)private life or with a girlfriend or whatever. Uh, I don't think you can really make that uh that draw there. >> I will contend to that and that's why I preface this with I actually don't know

Lisa (Utah)as much about you. I don't haven't watched your podcast. My husband has several friends that watch your podcast, warned me about this. I figured I would come on anyways because I do think that

Brian AtlasI have value to add to people. >> Okay. So, okay. Can you just re uh I guess restate the the lacking of traits or whatever?

Lisa (Utah)>> Well, not just you, but I do think this is not general. This is not at you. This is just a generalized. >> Um, >> I have noticed outside of kind of my husband and his friend group, men that don't know like they'll bring in a lot

Lisa (Utah)of money, but they don't know how to work on a car because they can pay someone to do that, right? They don't know how to hunt because they can go buy out go out and buy food. They don't know how to build a house or walk on a house because they can pay somebody to come

Lisa (Utah)and do this. Like, I do think that those are traits, masculine traits in men, which you clearly disagree with, but those are traits that my husband holds. And in a hypothetical situation of an

Lisa (Utah)complete e economic collapse where your money now means nothing, my husband can still provide and protect for our family. Yeah. So I mean some of these

Brian Atlasthings you listed obviously they are associated with a traditional masculinity. Um however I think if you look at the so humans have become very

Brian Atlasvery specialized. So, humans had to be a bit more well-rounded, but because of industry and because of mass civilization that we have, people can be

Brian Atlasvery very specialized in terms of their understandings and then they can third party some of these other things. Um, you know, in terms of your you brought

Brian Atlasup like being able to do mechanic work. uh you know I think there's some basic levels of you know understanding cars and mechanics that you know you might be

Brian Atlasable to say well you know this is a component of masculinity maybe um but I think in today's world like what what do you think is more masculine a man who's

Brian Atlasa mechanic who makes $40,000 a year uh and he knows all about cars or a man who's making uh

Brian Atlas$10 million a year and he doesn't know anything about cars, but uh he can hire like he can essentially hire a professional mechanic. >> So, I just think that that's like a

Lisa (Utah)problematic question, which I understand a lot of men will disagree with, especially in the world now. But like in my mind, you're not just masculine because you make enough money to pay

Lisa (Utah)everybody else to do things for you is what I'm saying. >> Okay. So, >> like a blue collar man is the most masculine. Yeah, I guess.

Lisa (Utah)>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I think there's some Okay. And what what was the other criticisms? >> Um I mean, that's not a criticism of you. That's just criticism and man in

Lisa (Utah)general in the world. I just have I saw several clips where you made this where you did make that and I'm pretty sure that it was like if I pay for the first date, will you come home with me? Then come home with me and do my laundry. And I don't

Brian Atlas>> That's never the framing. So that's never the framing. I'm saying the first time a girl does come over to my house. Yeah. She should do the laundry. >> Why? The first time like she's ever at your house. How long have you been dating? Like 2 weeks.

Lisa (Utah)>> Sure. >> And she should just do your laundry for you. >> Absolutely. >> Why? Do you find dating as a transactional relationship? Do you find marriage as a transactional relationship?

Lisa (Utah)>> What do you mean by transactional? So, like if I'm trying to think of how to word this right now, like in our marriage, I do the cooking, I do the cleaning, I take care of the kids, I do all of those

Lisa (Utah)things because I want to out of appreciation for my husband provide him a peaceful home to come into. If I want him to protect my peace, I need to be providing peace for him to protect.

Lisa (Utah)>> However, I don't do it out of some like perceived obligation of he does these things, so now I have to. And just like he doesn't go to work and provide for me because I do those things at home out of

Lisa (Utah)an obligation, he does it out of a loving and caring for his family. >> Okay, >> I guess would be the best wording I could figure out.

Brian Atlas>> Uh well, I think in order to inspire masculinity in men, uh women need to hold up their end of the deal, which they're clearly failing. If you want to categorize that as transactional, I

Brian Atlasguess you can. But the reality is uh you have even liberal progressive women who expect chivalry uh pro men to provide men to protect. You got these progressive Camala voters who want men

Brian Atlasto pay for dates, who want men to be trad, who want to be these masculine guys. And look, I think you should be masculine independent of however [ __ ] up society is and how

Brian Atlaswomen are just the most modern they've ever been in all of human history. Um, however, I think it's a really raw deal for men that we are going to hold men to

Brian Atlasthis masculine standard while we hold women to absolutely no standard whatsoever. It's 100% okay for even feminist or 50/50 equality women to say

Brian Atlasmen should. But it's clearly, wo, the moment you say women should, now we're getting into sexism. Now we're getting into misogyny. But women, even equality feminist women, men should pay for

Brian Atlasdates. Men should be chivalous. Men should protect me. Men should open the car door. Men should do all these things. It's not sexism. It's not misandry for women to say that [ __ ] But when men say

Summerwomen should, y'all have problems with it. Women should cook. Women should clean. Women should be submissive. >> No, I think that we think women a lot of the people here think women should be

Summercook. But maybe not on the first date when you first meet. 18-year-old college chick your house and do your laundry the first time she meets you. >> I do that if I'm married or something. >> Yeah. If you're married, engaged to

Brian Atlassomething. >> Yes. I love this. Okay. So, men's roles are static. Men have to upfront be t. So, on the first date, I got to pay for the date.

Brian Atlas>> I wouldn't say you. >> Women get to reserve that [ __ ] until marriage. And even then, a lot of these married chicks, the married liberal chicks, they ain't doing that [ __ ] They, "Oh, that's sexist. That's misogyny. I Oh, make me a sandwich."

Brian AtlasThey're not They're not doing that [ __ ] And I think it's [ __ ] Imagine if a guy these women who say, "Oh, you just want a mom. You want me to cook? You want me to clean? You want me You're just looking for a mom." Is that true?

Serenity>> Wait, I have something to say. Cuz you're looking at So, you're saying women should be traditional with like how like they're they do things for the man. So, why shouldn't the man be traditional? Why shouldn't the man pay

Brian Atlasfor the first date? Why shouldn't the man open the door? >> They should. The man should. But what I'm trying to get at is you're saying, "I'll wait till marriage." I don't think it's going to go over very well, especially with more traditional leaning

Brian Atlaswomen. If men started to say, "I'm not going to protect you. I'm not going to provide. I'm not going to pay for dates. I'm not going to do any of these. I'm not going to even be masculine until we're married." That's not going to fly with women. But women can say, "I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to be submissive. We're going to be 50/50. Uh, I'm not going to cook. I'm not going to clean. You just want a mom. Maybe in marriage. Maybe in marriage you get you'll get that. And it's still negotiable. >> Can I say why? Just like what we we said

Chevabefore that for guys it's harder to like get girls, right? So, they have to kind of earn it or approve themsel >> and then the woman should act as the role as well, but they shouldn't do it to every man that goes out with them. >> Yeah.

Cheva>> Like dating for two weeks incredibly submissive. So, [laughter] >> I also think they should be submissive, but not after two weeks. Not the first time you're going to his house. >> Yeah. >> Let me look. One sec, guys. I'm checking

Lisa (Utah)the pizza [ __ ] situation. >> Yeah. Like you got to be submissive with every My point was not >> Wait. [ __ ] >> That like if they make enough money that doesn't make >> Just go down and take your phone and if you need it, you need it.

Lisa (Utah)>> The point why. >> Sorry. Go ahead. Continue. >> Sorry. I was just replying to a comment. I'm saying that a man saying that he is masculine because he makes enough money that he can pay everybody to do

Lisa (Utah)something but he himself does not know how to do any of those things I think is problematic. I also think it's problematic for women who do not want to be submissive to their husbands and don't want to do those things to expect

Lisa (Utah)that stuff from men. I also agree that that is problematic. I think that the world we live in right now has a lot of issues as far as relationships and it is also coming through in families and I think that's terrible.

Amy>> How do you expect the man to get to the point of wanting to propose and be the protector or provider unless you provided enough evidence that you can do that within the marriage? I mean, >> no one's proposing after two weeks, right? So, I'm sure if they're getting

Lisa (Utah)closer to that stage, she will he will see that. But not after two weeks. I'm okay with being submissive if you are in a like >> relationship. >> A relationship where it's like you're exclusive. Is that the word that I'm trying to think of? Like if you're exclusive with someone, I think that you

Amyshould be submissive to that one. If he's outdating and you're outdating, >> there's just so many [ __ ] in this world honestly and like so many like like women have depreciated their value and men's reaction is a response to

Amythat. So they don't want to go and open their wallet for every girl because honestly it's the women who are more transactional. It's women who are trying to date across or off. It's women who are naturally hypergamous. Like this is being true.

Summer>> Can I say something from actually being a [ __ ] >> I pay for everything. Always paid for everything. I would never expect because I have I have money man to pay for something. I would never go on a date and expect a man to pay for something.

Cheva>> Well, good. You have realistic expectations then for what you're providing. >> For me, the opposite. It's not about the money. Like if a guy doesn't have the money but he wants to pay like I don't mind paying but in it's like he should want to pay like his role.

Serenity>> That's great. Yes. I mean if he Okay, so say he's the one that asks you on the date. He should pay. If the girl is asking the guy on >> It's not about that. I feel like if you were asking this person to come on a

Serenitydate with you, why would you make them? >> First of all, I would never ask if >> Well, no. I'm just saying hypothetically, >> right? Like if you're asking a man to come on this date with you and he's like yes, you asked him to come there and then

Summer>> So they're switching the roles. >> So should he go after and do her laundry? [clears throat] >> No. >> So why are they switching roles? >> But she doesn't agree that the women should at all. You should be married to be

Summerdoing that. >> I think that there should Yeah. But if I'm earning 400k more than the man that I'm dating, I'm going to pay for dinner, bro. >> But it's not about the money. It's about

Summerthe action. It's about >> No, I completely get that. But see, if he's broke, I don't care if they're lovely and they're broke and they can't afford to take me out for dinner and I really want to try the new sushi place. I'm going to pay for it. I don't care if I'm a woman tacos.

Cheva>> But does he want to pay for it? >> If he wants to pay for it, he can pay for it. >> So that's different. I'm saying it's about the role. Is he Is he interested in paying? does he think he's supposed to pay or it's about it's not actually about who's paying with the actual money. >> I think it's all about like what that

Summerone person wants. So if a man wants to take me out and he wants to pay for the meal, great. But if a man wants to take me out and he can't pay for a meal, I'll pay for it. I don't care. >> Okay, good. But it's cuz it's not about the money, it's about the role. >> But to answer your question, I think that

Lisa (Utah)>> out of the warness of our heart. >> Yeah, I don't care. I understand the climate and I understand that I don't know it super well obviously because >> I've been married for all my dating years or whatever, >> but it was your first everything.

Lisa (Utah)>> Um, he did not take my virginity if that's what you're asking. Really? >> But, um, I also don't have like a high body count. We got together pretty young, but I was in a three-year relationship through high school.

Lisa (Utah)>> Um, anyways, I do think that if you're taking a woman on a first date, you're paying because that's an investment into a potential relationship. I understand that men and women are now with hookup

Lisa (Utah)culture, whatever it's called, men and women are just dating to date or just to have fun. But in my mind, in my opinion, you should be taking someone on a first date to vet a relationship and that's an

Amyinvestment. Do all investments work out? No. And that's terrible. And men do take the brunt of that. I'm not going to say that they don't. But I do think >> that >> if that burden of performance is put on the man, then shouldn't it also equally

Amyapply to women? Like I feel like in the co the current dating marketplace the burden of performance is more so on the [clears throat] woman. I feel like there's more of a lack of good women than there is a lack of good men.

Lisa (Utah)>> Um I think that sorry to all the feminists. I am very anti-feminist. So I would agree with you. I do think that women have more commodified themselves and made them desirable. Like women are all desirable, right? It's very easy to

Lisa (Utah)be desired by a man >> because you don't have to give very much. I don't think that a lot of women put themselves in a position to be cherished in a long-term lifetime relationship with a man.

Brian Atlas>> Absolutely. I agree with that. Only fans has only made it worse. >> We have a quick super chat here that I will read. Uh Mr. Northumberland, good to see you in the chat, man. You've literally just made the argument for

Brian Atlasonly wanting equality when it benefits women. Even on a first date, men must demonstrate they can provide, but women don't have to demonstrate they can take care of home. Look, men ought to be

Brian AtlasThank you for your super chat, man. Uh, I think men ought to be masculine absent women. Uh, women's lack of femininity, I guess you could say. But I do think

Brian Atlaswomen are kind of failing. And men are failing, too, in some ways. Men are definitely not living up to uh certain standards. Men I am critical of men in a lot of ways. They're [ __ ] gooners. They're degenerate. Well, women are too.

Brian AtlasUm, you know, they're they're watching porn. They're porn a lot of them are porn addicts. They're following like a hundred Instagram thoughts. You shouldn't be following any chicks on Instagram. Honestly, >> you follow me. >> Thank you. >> Huh? >> Thank you. Follow me on Instagram from my last relationship.

Brian Atlas>> What? >> I'm sure you follow me on Instagram. >> I don't follow anybody on my Instagram. You can follow my Instagram right now. I've got I follow my own page. That's it. I got one follower. That's it. >> Okay. >> Sorry. What is a gooner? >> All right. This do false accusation.

SummerThat's >> I'm not I just thought you messaged me, so I thought that you followed me. A gunner means someone that does porn. Okay. Okay. >> Um, >> you messaged me saying you should come back on the show. >> You you reached out to us. This is your

Brian Atlassecond time on the show or third or >> uh you reached out to us to be on the show. >> Yeah, the first time. >> No, wait, wait, hold on. We after the shows were like, >> "Hey, we'd love to have you back." Blah, blah, blah. But you back out like, "Hey,

Brian Atlasby the way, I'm going to be in California." Like, that wasn't whatever. This is super meta. Well, let me ask this on the on the issue of masculinity. Um,

Brian AtlasI think masculinity can be uh I hate the term manifested. Well, no. I think it can I'll just use the term masculinity can manifest itself

Brian Atlasin different ways. Like in the same way, would you agree that intelligence can there's different types of intelligence? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. And so I think that there's an

Brian Atlasintellectual level of masculinity. So I would argue that I'm not a mechanic. You're right. I speak on the podcast. I do a lot of work at the computer. It's not the most rough and tough job.

Brian AtlasHowever, there's a component of masculinity that rel that relates to speaking the truth. And I even think that this supersedes the masculinity that might be witnessed in a man who

Brian Atlasworks with his hands or who's a mechanic because I think at no other point in human history has uh physical ability been less needed and mental ability been

Brian Atlasmore needed. As men uh we have allowed our countries to be completely [ __ ] Our western countries are [ __ ] The

Brian Atlasonly way we're going to combat this is through uh truthful discourse and being convincing and being persuasive. And we're going to do this through rhetoric.

Brian AtlasAnd I I would argue that while I'm not a mechanic and I don't know how to I don't know, I don't know how to take apart an engine and put it back together, I think I'm doing something that in some ways

Brian Atlasmight be argued as even more masculine, and that's speaking the truth. when uh the truth is things are changing, but it's been uh

Brian Atlasperhaps a bit untenable the past few years. Uh Charlie Kirk, for example, was murdered for speaking the truth. There's not a lot of mechanics who are

Brian Atlasexceptional at uh putting together an engine or taking one apart who are getting murdered for their masculinity. But I I guess I would point out that uh

Brian AtlasI don't know like for example I'm not employable after I do this podcast. So I think there's a degree of bravery that's sort of being overlooked by you. You you

Brian Atlasmight say I'm not involved in a a physical realm but I am involved in the intellectual realm. the and I think that there's a component of masculinity where

Brian Atlasuh related to bravery when it comes to speaking uncomfortable truths which I've certainly done in the four years or so I've been doing this podcast. Uh I've basically by doing this I've made myself

Lisa (Utah)completely unemployable like I already mentioned and um >> I do think that you benefit the world if that's what like I 100% think >> well some people might disagree with that. >> I don't disagree with that and I was a huge supporter of Charlie Kirk. I know

Lisa (Utah)that a lot of people had different feelings about it. I was devastated when that happened and I think that it is so wrong, especially in this country. >> Um, and I do think that you benefit the world. I'm saying as a standard of

Lisa (Utah)masculinity, you should be able to from my standard provide and protect your family regardless of what the climate, economic, or anything else. And

Lisa (Utah)I feel like [snorts] the men that I have around me, which is again where I draw my masculinity standards fit that standard. And I mean, my husband is happy to have an honest

Brian Atlasconversation and call people out on their [ __ ] too, but he obviously doesn't do it to the scale that you do, >> right? But I do think there's a certain sacrifice and bravery as it relates to getting on the internet and saying these

Brian Atlasthings. Mind you, I got on the internet back in well, I mean, I've been doing YouTube for a while, but I got into it when it was really untenable to have these conversations. Um, back in 2022 is

Brian Atlaswhen I started, and I think things have shifted a bit. Um, where conversations that were not

Brian Atlasacceptable four years ago are kind of okay now. Um, but I mean I think a lot of guys who and I'm not knocking them for not wanting to do it. Like if you

Brian Atlashave a family and you're working some job as a man, you definitely can we start serving the people >> asking fine. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, can you start giving people the pizza, I guess? Um,

Lisa (Utah)>> also just pause. My husband owns a construction company just and he does most of the work, but he's not a mechanic. He just >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> is able. Okay. Well, I I guess I would

Brian Atlassay that um in terms of if if bravery is a component of masculinity like you you wouldn't believe the amount of men who DM me who who will tell me uh I

Brian Atlasappreciate what you say on the podcast, Brian, because it's not uh >> it's not okay to like I would get fired from my job if if I had these conversations or I espoused these kinds

Brian Atlasof things. And so, look, I'm not trying to do some massive defense of myself. Um, but, uh, ultimately I think we got to look at this through different paradigms. Also, you mentioned like

Brian Atlasability to protect your family. Uh, I believe in force equalizers. So, um, >> I don't know what that means. I'm sorry. >> Firearms. >> Oh, okay. I mean, we have lots of those, too. >> Okay. Like, I'm not black belt in

Brian Atlasjiu-jitsu, but like, yeah, I can with a firearm, I can kill somebody. Like, I I mean, I I can protect my family with a firearm. So, I mean, I I don't We have force equalizers available to us, I

Brian Atlasguess. And also, even if I'm like even if I was like some kick-ass [ __ ] jiu-jitsu guy, [ __ ] MMA dude, if there's like three people doing a home invasion, I think I'd rather be a a

Lisa (Utah)white belt with a firearm than a black belt without a firearm. >> I mean, we have lots of firearms also, and he's okay. >> He provides security at our church. He's on the security team, so he stands guard, armed guard at the doors.

Lisa (Utah)>> Well, that's great. But um he can also and like in Utah it's a little bit different, right? So he has a concealed carry permit. In Utah and in Idaho, you actually don't have to have a permit to conceal carry. And so he does generally

Lisa (Utah)have firearms on him. But like if we're out walking around and he doesn't have one on and somebody were to someway engage with me in like a violent or threatening manner, he would [snorts]

Chevabe able to deal with that without having to like with if he doesn't have the gun on him. [ __ ] with that. >> I feel like all these things are important, but the most masculine thing for a guy is that he respects women. That's it. Like there's so many guys

Amythat don't respect women or see them as an ob object. I would say >> because women have objectified themselves. Like it's again, it's a response to the culture at hand. Like if every guy would treat every girl with

Amythis shiverous standard that so many of you are asking for, he would be a s. He would consider him to be a s depending on the woman he was doing it for. You guys don't want pizza? >> Okay. >> Like I wouldn't be super offended if you

Amyknow I was single and I went out on a first date and the man wasn't overly chiverous because it's a response to the dating culture. That's why I didn't circle it. Like obviously I would prefer a man to be chivalous and my fiance certainly is so but it's not an

Amyexpectation because it's not realistic in today's dating marketplace. Um, and yeah, you can say and all of this stuff, but again, it's in men's nature to be sexual because going back to cavemen

Amytimes, right? They wanted to reproduce, have as many kids as possible. It's an anim animalistic part of the brain. Um, and in response to the marketplace at hand now with Only Fans and everything,

Amylike people ask, you know, is it the woman's fault for putting out the Only Fans or is it the man's fault who purchase it? Obviously, it's the woman's fault. Obviously, it's the woman's fault because that men have that automatic

Chevaanim animalistic response in their brain. So, the burden is on you to not activate, >> right? But also, if they weren't buying it, then they would women wouldn't have do it. They look how much money they're getting from this.

Amy>> Yeah, I know. And honestly, I kind of I don't blame women fully for that because of feminism, because of the cultural programming, but I do think that the burden if women want to change it, if they want men to stop being goonas and

Amydo all these things, stop being hoes. Well, the women that are doing it, they don't care. >> Yeah. Well, they should and they should be shamed. We need to bring shame back in our culture. There is literally no shame in society anymore. >> I don't agree with the shame part, but I

Serenitywill say the women are providing the men with this. >> Put your mic down, please. >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. >> The women are what? >> I don't agree. I don't agree with the shame part, but women are providing the men with this content.

Lisa (Utah)>> What? >> The the show the only fans Oh, okay. I see. Yeah. Okay. >> I do. uh because they're paying so much money also. >> Well, Only Fans and men being [ __ ] boys or whatever they're called and like

Lisa (Utah)running through it. And that's a direct result, I think, of the sexual liberation. >> Yes. >> From feminism. I do think though that if a man is going to ask a woman on a date because of the way she carries herself, like not only is she very good-looking,

Lisa (Utah)but she carries herself well, right? She dresses appropriately, she does whatever it is that has caught your eye, which is harder now because of online. I know there's like a lot of online dating stuff. I understand that. But like if

Lisa (Utah)you're out in the wild and you see a woman, you enjoy how sorry, you enjoy how she carries herself and you take her out on that first date. Like I think that men should be chivalous on that first date. And I have never

Brian Atlas>> Well, how about this? Let's let's do the framework like this. >> Um I think men should only be chivalous to women who are deserving of it. >> Agree. >> I would agree with that.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So I mean my objections to chivalry. So basically my position is if the woman's not traditional, she doesn't deserve traditional treatment, >> if you're an old girl, if you, you know,

Tazare liberal. >> The guys are the ones that are choosing which woman they're going out with, right? So they can tell like if >> well if they want they can see what route they're going.

Taz>> Sorry. Sorry. um is that since I started Only Fans, I have gotten like like date offers from men that are like way better than before I had it. >> Well, because you always be desired.

Lisa (Utah)Like that's that goes back to Only Fans, models, beautiful women, revealing women. They will always be desired by men. It's not hard to be desired by men. >> Do they want to date you or they just want to have sex with you? >> If they want to date us,

Cheva>> they do want to marry. They're not going to marry you. I have had multiple >> Most of the guys don't want to marry girls that have that do this kind of content. And and why did you reject them? Because they're [ __ ] simps. The

Amyonly men who would propose to an Only Fans girl is a man who doesn't respect himself who's a S. Naturally, you're going to reject it. Obviously, no, it's 100% true. I don't think >> No, it's for multiple reasons. Number one, it's because sexual promiscuity. They don't want to get diseases. They

Summerdon't want a kid that's not theirs. But also, no, it's true. >> It's for what? >> For women who are sexually promiscuous. You do realize, right? I'm going to do a little stat here. Whatever. You do realize that >> I thought you didn't believe in statistics. Now you said I'll do your

Summerlittle stat. [laughter] >> The porn industry. It's harder to catch an SDI when you're working as a sex worker in the porn industry than it is to sleep with random people. I will not

Summersleep with anyone unless you have a twoe test. And you have to get that test updated every question with anyone unless you had it. There's more of a risk of someone like I don't know cuz

Summeryou're the youngest one [laughter] like like going to a party and you having sex with a random guy get catching something. >> I'm talking about promiscuity in general and promiscuity is going to be way more >> no one in the industry will ever sleep with anyone that's actually big in the

Brian Atlasindustry will ever sleep with anyone unless they're certified. >> Really quick let me just jump in on this super quick. Uh the the people in like the trad porn industry the the mainstream or whatever it's called. Uh,

Brian Atlasthey all like have herpes because you guys don't test for herpes. You don't test for HPV. >> Yes, we do. We test for everything. >> You guys just assume that you all >> That's not true. >> They do not test for herpes. >> I can show you my test right now. Got my phone.

Summer>> I mean, you can show me. I mean, you're in the UK though, maybe there's different legal standards. In the United States, >> when you work in the US, when you work with a creator in the US, it has to be an American test because in the UK, they don't test for that.

Amy>> Well, I would also argue that the majority of sex workers are not porn stars anymore. They're only fans girls. And it's just women. >> I'm a porn star. So, >> well, I know you're not a porn star. Well, you are. >> No, she's [laughter] she is. >> Okay. Well, the majority of women who

Amyare in the sex work industry are not porn stars anymore because of how normalized Only Fans has become. The other point that I wanted to make is a reason why men won't date or sorry, won't marry an Only Fans girl is because he cares about his kids and he doesn't

Amywant his kids to be bullied. There are so many kids now that have been bullied out of school, that have selfharmed, that have even unalive themselves. I don't know if we can say. >> Yeah. Yeah, we get it. We get it. >> Um because of the shame of kids bullying

Tazthem from their mother. Do you really would you be okay with your child? >> I would like to know who it is like that died from it. I would really like to know so I can research. But I do agree that sex workers shouldn't have kids. I do agree. >> You agree with that? >> I do agree with that. >> You don't want to have kids.

Amy>> I don't want. >> Well, then how are you going to get married? Most men want to reproduce and have kids. Their legacy is their children. >> Not most men. >> Good men. So, can you send the test results to the Instagram page

Brian Atlas>> and show me because I mean my I've spoken to women in the like mainstream uh porn industry. Herpes, HSV, and HPV are typically not included in these

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